April 3, 2025 • 40 mins
After the opening bell, the stock market fell sharply following President Trump’s announcement on “reciprocal” tariffs Wednesday. Included in the new tariffs is a 10% baseline tariff on all imports. It’s unclear what the full impact of the tariffs may be, but some financial analysts worry the measures could drive up consumer prices and strain global trade relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes. I'm telling you Ezy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yes indeed, yes, indeed, we are talking about the tariffs.
And we just had a really good hour. I thought
a great hour of Professor Greg Styler. Uh. He teaches
at the Questions the Questrom School of Business at Boston University,
and he explained things, and he went to the two
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car the healers today to basically do his homework. I
just sent him a text and said he he deserved
an A plus tonight. He was a great guest. We
will have him back sooner rather than later. And I
just thought that the call that the Questions were good.
Let me just say, folks, when I know many of
you wait for quite a time, and you know some
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of you want to you know you're a little nervous,
just get right to the point, particularly if you have
a question for a guest, because I bring the guest
on so that we can talk to people at that
level again, business school professors, editorial writers at the Globe,
United States attorney lawyers, and they and the ones I
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pick are people who I know want to talk with you.
We don't have Elizabeth Warren on the shows. He turned
down many invitations. She wouldn't want to take phone calls,
she wouldn't want to talk to you. But I think
it's great when we can have people on, whatever their background,
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but particularly people who have extraordinary jobs. You know. And
again we used to have Marty Walsh and Tom Anino on.
Mayor who doesn't seem to have that desire, which is fine,
she doesn't have to come on the show. We know
that Senator Warren very rarely well has never been on
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the show, never been on the show. Senator Markey will
come on occasionally. We can have some fun with him.
Steve Lynch comes on a lot, Seth Molten will come on,
Laurie Trehan will come on. I hope to get Jake
Auchincloss on again and get him to take some phone calls,
because that's the service that we can provide. You don't
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abuse it. You know. Josh Kraft was on tonight. You
got a question, ask a question, if you want to
make a kind comment, make a kind comment. He's not
coming on to be abused or be asked trek questions
and everybody feels that they got to somehow. You know. Again,
I just employ you to understand that it's not easy,
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particularly in the eight to midnight hour, to get people
of that stature to come on to show. Many of
them work their entire day. I mean Jim Roosevelt from
on Social Security the other night, extraordinary guests. Please value
those guests because and I'm gone, whatever that is, Whoever
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succeeds me won't be won't be providing you with guests
like that. Trust me on that. And if you if
you don't understand what I'm saying, then you're not as
as perceptive as I think most of you are. So
now it is open lines on the Trump tariffs, your thought,
your perspective. I'll try to have a conversation with you.
Let's go to David in Dorchester. David, you have held
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on through the news. Appreciate your patience. You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I just want to know will that effect travel, what
theffect you know right uh self come from? Like electricity
coming from Canada?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, yeah, I could will Yes, we get we
get some hydro electric power, uh that that comes to
us from Quebec. I don't know that that we get
it throughout the entire year, but I think it's one
of the sources. Yeah, anything that comes in from any
foreign country will have the potential of having a tariff
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impost on it, and that cost is going to be
passed on to you and me, whether it's a car
that's made overseas. What the Trump administration is hoping that
some of these countries that have been making money off
of us, as it were, by overcharging us on tariffs,
that that they may turn around and say, no, mass
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let's let's go to five percent tariffs, reciprocal five percent
for you, five percent of US and in best case scenario, no,
no tariffs. I mean, everybody would love to see free trade,
but that's not been what we've been dealing with. Now.
I think President Trump has taken a huge gamble, David,
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and this could this could cost him, you know, his
the success of his presidency. It might work, work, it
might not work. We'll have to see how it goes.
What do you what's your thoughts? Last point?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
My thought is right the way Trump is thinking, because
other countries will turn around and charging us over charge
of us. Yeah, I think Trump, you know, I think
Trump is probably on the right track on doing say
anything to him.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, he certainly has has put a stake in the
ground and we'll see how it how it works out.
I'm going to watch when I go to the grocery store,
and I I'm gonna I want to make sure that
companies who produce products in this country, who therefore are
not paying tariffs, don't try to take advantage of this situation,
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if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, and
we will out companies on this program. If all of
a sudden, I see that there's some company that has
raised their prices because they think they can just raise
their prices, we'll talk about it on Night Side, I
promise you.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Sure, right, my friend, I appreciate you call, David.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Thank you very much for calling. You took the time
to call. Thank you much. We'll talk again. Call anytime.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
All right, good night, great night, Okay, good night.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm going to keep going here. Let's get everybody, and
John is in handover. John, You're next on nightside. Welcome. Well,
if John isn't there, we'll put him on hold. Rob
please put him on hold and we'll take a break.
We'll take a break and we'll try him on the
other side of this break. Here on Nightside. My name's
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Dan Ray. This is Nightside. The only line open is
six one seven.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Folks, for those of you who are new to Nightside,
we have what's called a ten second delay. What that
means is that callers who try to say some bad
words and the radio, uh, we have ten seconds in
which Rob can kill those words. So if Rob puts
you on the line and says to you, okay, we're
gonna put you on hold, you'll be ready, and he
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tells you to turn the radio down, turn the radio down.
We've had a couple of callers who you can tell
I say hello, Hello, welcome to Nightside, and they're listening
to the radio, and they don't hear me. They're not
listening on the phone. They think that they're going to
talk to me through the radio. So let's try with John,
who I believe might have been listening to the radio.
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But we'll try him again. John, Welcome, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm here. I had you on mute.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Sorry about that, Dan, Yeah, that can happen too.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Okay, that's another thing people shouldn't do. Listen on the radio. Uh, listen,
listen on the phone. It's as simple as that go ahead.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
John, Hey, so I think then he's a master deal
maker and we kind of voted for this, you know,
and it's an investment in the future of the country.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
He said.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
You know, he's gonna do this on April third. So
any intelligent moneyman move their positions last week so they
could rebuy this week at the new low.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know, well, I wish I had done that. I
wish I wish I was an intelligent money man. Did
you do that?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
If I had money, I would have done it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, But I.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Think the forty seven in his circle is smarter and
more successful than most of the politicians they're going to
deal with. And then you know, there's going to be
pain after you put tariffs on. It's temporary, but it's
an investment. And what's the goal. It's the better the country.
And if we don't feel it right away, you know,
people who have kids the next generation, if this is
a more independent country, things are going to be cheaper
and you're going to get back to that quality of
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life that this country is known for. We don't have
it anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, I'll tell you. I just think it's I'm not
taking a position here. I'm just telling you I think
it's a tremendous gamble. And either this will solidify Donald
Trump as a transformational president, he would he would be
in the category of a Roosevelt or a Reagan in
the sense that Reagan came to office and said, the
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Soviet Empire, the Soviet Union is an evil empire. We
got to take him out. He spent a lot of
money building up our defense forces after the Vietnam uh
and and the hostage that Jimmy hostage situation, Jimmy Carter
Dell with and guess what, he broke the back of
the Soviet Union and the wall came down. Franklin Roosevelt
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came in during the Great Depression and he put in
place a number of government programs which have served people
for almost one hundred years, including Social Security, amongst others.
And so he was transformational. If this works for Trump,
he's transfer transformational. If it doesn't work, he's in the
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in the Presidential Hall of Shame as a failed president.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And he wants to be remembered as the transformational guy.
And he's the one of the few people I have
faith in. And like you know, there's a lot of
valid reasons for people who are older than me to
dislike him from like the whole draft dodging and then
you know other things, but from you know, my point
of view. I'm forty years old. I never really felt
represented by either party. And when he stepped forward and
Republicans and Democrats both hated him, I was like, oh,
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that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, you know, let me tell you, you represent a
group of people in your age group. Look, traditionally people
your age tend to vote a little more Democratic, and
and older people voted Republican. That kind of got flipped
on its head. Donald Trump has made tremendous intro inroads
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into folks who have been you know, when I say folks,
I'm talking about people in the category. He had more
Black support, he had more Hispanic support. The so called
gender gap was less than what the posters realized. And
he had a lot more people in their in their
twenties and in their thirties and in their early forties
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like you who decided to give him a chance. Look,
he we only have one president at a time. Anyone
who was rooting against him is rooting against the United States.
Anyone who was rooting against Joe Biden when he was
in offices rooting against the United States, and I want
every president to be successful. But maybe that's just me.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I completely agree. Thanks a lot, Dan, You have a
good night.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You too, John. Is this your first time calling or no?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
No, we'll talk a few times. I'm the tower climber
who worked on the Bezy Tower a few times.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I have a daughter company.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, oh yeah, I thought a bunch you the other
day to see that guy. He was on a tower
somewhere in the South Shore and I think a tree
limb came down and broke his arm. No, they had
they got him down safely, but he was in a
position and no they You know, look, got to admire
what with guys like you, do you have more more guts?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And uh that's early I do. I wouldn't do it
at my and I wouldn't do it when I was
your aide. So thanks for what you do. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Thanks, thank you, Lucky, Thanks good night.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Let's keep rolling here. We got we got Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul,
welcome back. Next to night'st How are you right?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Really really great last sable with the professor that was
really good stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well it was crazy because because he just told the
truth and and there was there was no political veneer
over it. So I thought it was an hour in
which I got a better sense of tariffs, and I
hope everyone else did.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well. I hope everything works out what the President Trump
wants to do. I know, on the news it seems
like a lot of newscasters are doing the chicken little
you know, the sky is folly. Oh yeah, they're hyping,
they're hyping things up. I hope it works out. You
might always. I always a question about the whole thing.
Is all people know in life is in terms of
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their own experience, And what I mean by that is
he wants to bring manufacturing jobs back today States. They
haven't been here in a long time. And I don't
know how true this is, but back in the nineteen eighties,
I guess it was when the Jetmeese car companies started
patting plants in the United States. They supposedly did a
study of the American worker. I don't know if you
ever heard about that study, Dad, but supposedly, like on Monday,
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the worker was work from the weekends. Tuesday they worked, Wednesday,
they were sort of like was some day Thursday, they
sort of slacked off, and then Friday they were all
hyped up for the weekend and they didn't do much.
And whether that's short, I don't know. But you know,
you're sure they weren't talking.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Let me let me ask you this. Were they talking
about private sector workers or government workers?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Oh, now you're comment of workers, and that's a whole different,
that's the whole different, breedy cats.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, here's the thing there, here's what I remember about
that time. Okay. Uh, the auto industry was devastated because
there was a trend in this country to buy foreign cars.
I tended to buy Vovals because I felt Vovals was
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safer cars. I am now thinking, I have an eleven
year old Voval. I got to buy a car at
some point in the in the notistic future, I'm for
the first time really going to look at American made
cars and find that find the best American made car.
And uh, and that's that's where I'm gonna go, because
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I'm I I think it's time to support the American
worker who lives in Michigan and has a family and
is is trying to educate their kids and and and
get and get their life going.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So well, I agree, Dan, and I like to see that,
but I like to see all the President Trump's plans
that turn out good for everybody and like that. Well
woman then called it and said she wanted for President
Biden was just supporting President Trump. I have one for
President Trump and opened his plans to work out because
U you know, we have to protect the especially people
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that work in like the vital and crucial sectors of
our country that have to do a national defense and things.
We can't be relighting in other countries all the time.
We have to eveil the pharmaceutical industry. We have to
start making these in the United States.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, look, I think that Trump. I'm going to give
Trump high grades on closing the border. That was a
huge problem. He pledged to do that. I think it's
been done, and I'm giving him grades on getting bad
guys out of the country. Okay, MS thirteen members, Trent
Augura people, get them out of the country. If a
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mistake is made, we should be able diplomatically to call
the president of El Salvador and say, hey, we sent
you two hundred and fifty guys, three of them are
not members. Get him out of there. We'll fly him
back Okay. At the same time, I've heard these stories
and I'm sure others have that there was, you know,
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some guy who was a barber in California and some
guy who was a Venezuelan soccer player. Well, if they
were not members of that gang, I want them brought back.
But you can. You can be a member of the
gang and a barber, or a member of the gang
and a soccer player. So you know, let's let's let's
if someone is saying, hey, you took the wrong guy
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and they can prove it, bring him back. Bring him back.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Hey, you know what their families to say, so your
life for them. They have to people.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
No, no, no, no no. I get that. But at
the same time, I'm assuming that that for us to
know where these gang members are and for us to
we must have some inside. We must have infiltrated these gangs. Okay.
I don't know if you saw the video the other day,
and I don't know if they were gang members, but
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a lot of the pro athletes Joe Burrows from from
the Bengals and Montana or not Montana. The whole homes
uh And and Kelsey, their homes have been broken into
while they were playing football games. You know those stories, right, uh?
And the guy and the Burroughs from Cincinnati. These a
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bunch of guys from Chile. They were Chili gang members
from Chili who would come here. Uh. And and they're
breaking into their homes, I mean. And then there was
one the other night. There was a camera at Richard
Sherman's home. He was a former d back for the
for the Seattle Seahawks. Really good player, by the way,
and three guys come crashing through a screen with guns.
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Now I don't know if they were Americans. I don't
know if they were gang members. But if they're gang members,
I want them gone like yesterday. If they're Americans, I
want to put in jail because if they could break
into Richard Sherman's home with guns, they can break into
your home too.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And another thing that you know you said about you
know after if you know, I hope it never happens.
But when did they leave? You know that when I
thought of that expresial, you know, step like on old toes.
What I mean by that, and respectful to you is
you know a lot of people, and you get a
lot of good people on your show, and whoever replaces you,
they're not actually have the dearth of the knowledge of
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the people that you know what.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So yeah, well again, I just want people to be respectful.
You know when I when I bring on elected officials,
appointed officials, just realize that. Okay, look they're doing my
show at nine o'clock at night or ten o'clock at night.
They might have better things to do. Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And you always say you want a conversation. You don't
want somebody to go in there and get and make
a footbal statement. You want a conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You got it all. I appreciate you. Well. You keep
listening and keep calling. Okay, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Thank you, Hi, well Dad, thank you, talk.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To you soon. Good night, six seven, two, ten thirty.
Those lines are full. I shouldn't have been given that number.
I got Richard, John and Gary on those lines. The
line that has opened six months sep and the only
two lines that are open in six one seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We'll be back on nightside, join the conversation.
We'll talk about tariffs. Are you optimistic? Are you pessimistic?
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Are you rooting for Trump to succeed or for Trump
to fail? I'd like to take the politics out of it,
at least for a little while. And let's talk about
what are the implications for you, me, your family, and
my family, because this is serious business. Back on Nightside,
right after the news at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Hour, night Side with Dan Ray on' WBZ, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Barr in the home stretch, Let's take this baby home,
let's put it to bed. Let's go next to Uh,
I don't know why I thought about that. Let me
go to John in Pennsylvania. Drawn your next on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Welcome, Hello, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You're welcome, John, go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
All right.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
So there are numerous reasons why these will be detrimental
to the economy. I'll list a few.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
The first is that.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Many American businesses are actually nonetheless dependent upon certain foreign
parts or foreign supplies. And along these businesses are small businesses. Example,
given believe it or not, game publishers, tabletop game publishers,
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many of them are relatively small companies. They depend like
board board games, the actual boards dependent largely upon materials
produced in China and Vietnam. UH would take okay, So.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
When you say board games are you talking about, Well,
let me finish it, man, ask a new question. Here
are you talking about monopoly type games? Where game app
So we're not Parker John. I'm trying to have a
conversation with you. Man, I gave you a minute just
to get us going here. I'm trying to have a conversation.
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So just work with me, okay. So like when you
say board games, I think about I don't know, monopoly
board or a checkerboard. We can't make monopoly boards or
checkerboards in this country.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
For the most part.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
They're made overseas.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
No, I understand that. Yeah, but but okay, let me
accept that they're made overseas. Now, I don't know what
the tariff would be on a checker board or a
monopoly board. I wasn't sure if you were talking when
you said board games. If you were talking like I
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don't know a roulette wheel. You know that by some
people buy like these these expensive things for their home.
I've seen people who have five thousand dollars roulette wheels
in their homes. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So we're talking about, if we talk about board games,
why could we not make a simple checkerboard or a
monopoly board.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
I didn't say they couldn't be made here. I said
that most most game companies are actually relatively small, and
they mostly okay, if they were to well, first of all,
most of them couldn't afford the capital investment. But if they,
if they, if they simply pass along the costs, okay,
few are people going to buy. If they absorb the cost,
they'll likely go out of business. So that's that's one Okay,
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that's one example. Here's another example. Do you know what
potash is?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Potox potash?
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Potash a fertilizer that provides potassium to many crops in
the US. Okay, manure isn't isn't sufficient to provide potassium
to the crops. We're dependent upon Canada for potash. We
can't produce enough. Our climate doesn't allow enough to be produced.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So you need you need it. Let's let me understand this.
So you're telling me that in order to produce potass,
we need to have a cold.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Climate, correct, among other things.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, well, I don't know what the other things are.
So you're telling me that in the states of the
sparsely populated states of like North Dakota, Montana and South Dakota, Idaho,
which have very frigid winters, very similar to Manitoba.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
That's that alone isn't enough. You have to have the
right mix of mineral runoff as well as the cold
weather as as well as the die off from certain
from certain plans. So we're dependent on Canada.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That okay. So I believe that we can still we
can disagree on this. I believe that we can make
board games. But whatever. So that that that's fine. So
let me ask you this so well, if if your
theory is in which it might be that these tariffs
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are not only going to be destructive, counterproductive and all
of that, but it's then going to cause us either
more problems down the line. And if I accept that theory,
just for the purposes of conversation, how do we solve
a thirty seven trillion dollar Because I think that's one
of the things that he seems to be addressing, and
it's one of the things that bothers me. I've never
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figured out how old you are, but I assume that
we're kind of around the same age. I'm a baby boomer.
I assume you might be as well.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
No, I'm the generation behind you.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Okay, fair enough, okay, So how are we going to
solve the federal debt problem in this country. You're a
smart guy.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
You know what the dead is, right, So let's let
I'm glad you got to that. So let's look at this.
So there's three main propositions with these tariffs, correct. The
first is that, well, he said basically three things.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
One is that he.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Expects either prices not to go up, at least not
in the long term, because either the suppliers will absorb
the cost or the importers will absorb the cost. In
what he's also said that there's going to be a
revival of people buying American goods. That's premise two. Premise
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three is that these tariffs are going to generate tremendous,
tremendous wealth uh to the to the federal government to
pay off the deficit. But let's let's so let's look
and see if these work. So if prices are absorbed,
I've already pointed out that many small manufacturers and retailers
and so on won't be able to do that, but
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let's just let's take take it as a given. If they're absorbed,
then there isn't any pressure to buy American right, There
wouldn't be any pressure price wise to give American made
product and service as a competitive advantage. So one contradicts two.
So let's let's assume that the two is true. Okay,
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that there is a competitive advantage. Prices of foreign goods
go up, so there's gonna be more purchasing of American
goods and services. Now, of course those prices will go up. Two,
because you'll have more people, the demand for those will
go up. Okay, So in that case, the imports will fall,
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and then the tariff revenue will fall likewise, which contradicts three,
that the terriff is the terrific.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
John, John, you're going through economic gymnastics with me, and
I'm not gonna even attempt to argue every point.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Clearly you think gymnastics one contra John.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You have your point of you here. I'm just simply
telling you. You've been with me now seven minutes. You
have had more time than any other caller we'll have tonight.
The point is, the bottom line is you think that
this is a bad set of ideas. I'm not going
to change your mind. I just want to ask you,
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excuse me, I just want to ask you one question.
Do you hope he succeeds or fails?
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Well?
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I hope I want the American economy to succeed.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay, he's the president.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Do I want do you want an initiative of this administration,
which frankly I find to be anti constitutional and frankly
mostly anti American product.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I understand you really disliked this guy. I got it,
no problem, and I'm sure that you could spend twenty
minutes telling me all the reasons why you dislike him.
So I'm just asking you real simple. You're kind of
in a bad situation because you want to root for
the economy, but you hope he fails.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Well, I expect this to feel because.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
The way you're not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, Well, let us see. Let us keep our conversation.
We've done eight eight and a half minutes. My man, Okay,
I got other people. I gotta get to it. I
can't give everybody eight minutes, so I got to keep rolling.
But keep me keep calling. I want to know how
you feel next week, next month. You are always welcome
to call this show. You know that, Okay, Thank you, John.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I just wish sometimes if you haven't account of argument
of logic, not are you running against the America?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
No? No, Well, see you're a much smarter guy that
I am. John, I can't even I can't even deal
with your logic. You're much smarter than I am. So
I listened to you for a while and then I
asked you a couple of questions. That's all.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I just think you didn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, no again, John, I'd love to have, like spend
an hour with you. Okay. You know, you know maybe
what I can do is I can come to Pennsylvania.
I can spend the weekend and we can just talk
all weekend and and one of us will Neither one
of us will convince each other, but I'm sure you'd
be a great guy to have dinner or a beer with.
So hit the nine minute mark. I gotta run.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
If you ever want to, I'll buy you.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Right back at you, Thanks, John. Okay, let me go
to Richard and Lowell. Richard, you're next on Nitside. Go
right ahead, sir. Okay, Richard's listening to his radio. Put
him down, put him on hold. We're going to go
to Greg and Ontario. Greg and Ontario, you're next on
night Side.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Yeah right, Dan, good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Right back at you, Greg, Welcome, Thanks.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Yeah, it was us in a conversation, Dan, and uh
about the Podash. We have a lot of that in
here in Canada and Saskatchewan. That's the main source, like
your Lives caller said, Yeah, in terms of the terror, yeah,
you know, in terms of the tariffs and how it's
affecting Canada and things like this, and and uh, you know,
(29:49):
it's still our leaders here. They don't they don't understand
that they don't have this leverage. They're kind of still
shooting their mouth off on how they're going to retaliate
a little bit. And I think that's probably really bad
for this country. On the other hand, Dan, it's good,
like I mentioned to you before, where it's going to
finally get our politicians off their butts to do something
(30:11):
for this country and get it off to stand on
and rely on everybody all the time for everything, you know.
And it's in terms of the auto sector and things
like that. Well, I was I was brought up. I
was born in Windsor, So that was right across from Detroit,
as you know. Yeah, and so a lot of my
(30:32):
family worked in that sector. I worked in it for
Tool and Die. For a short period of time, I
worked in some of the auto plants there. And I
gotta tell you, I remember back in the seventies, about
the mid seventies when all the automotives started moving out
to Mexico. I had guys, yeah, you know. And and
(30:55):
the thing is Canada here doesn't understand. They don't own
any of this, and so they're going to be susceptible
to things changing in the economies. And we're we're going
to lose some of this work, but we could probably
replace that with other things. And and then and then
in Canada started making these threat against the US economy, saying, well,
(31:17):
we're not going to supply with the aluminum. Well, I'm
not sure if it's a good known fact. We have
this in Quebec. Here we have a we're all the
aluminum actually is refined, but we buy We don't have
an aluminum mine here. We buy the aluminum from Brazil,
which is one of the countries that has the utmost
(31:39):
deposits of aluminum in the world, along with Guinea in Australia.
So I try to talk to people here Dan and
I say, like, if you really p o the United States,
they can go to Brazil, get the aluminum and just
refine it. In America and they can do that with
a steel right, and I think I.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Think Trump would do that in a New York. Second,
let me ask you real quickly. I think that your politician,
is it Doug.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Ford, Yeah, the Premier of Ontario, Yes, Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Premier of Ontario. Okay, so he's your premier. He's not
the prime minister. So he's in effect like the governor
of the of what we would think of as a
governor of the state of Massachusetts. In effect, the premier
is like a governor. Am I correct on that?
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Yeah, that's that's correct man.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay. So he apparently has been quoted in the last
day or so saying that, look, he's willing to talk
to Trump and he's willing to reduce as long as
America will reduce the tariffs as well. Did that surprise you.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Uh No, it didn't.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
He's met with Trump or not. Actually, some of the
Trump's administration. I think a couple of times before these
terrorists were put through and they were talking like they
were shooting their mauls off, like our premier Doug Fort,
he's talking this tough a game. You know. You heard
him say, like we're going to cut the power off
to the United States and all this time of stuff,
and we're all sitting here, like a lot of Canadians
(33:08):
are sitting there going like shut your mouth, like you
don't understand that. You're like like they don't understand, Dan,
they don't understand They're not the big dog in this
fight and we're not going to win a tariff wark
against the US. Now. We can still be partners in
a lot of things. But like I keep saying, I
really don't want Trump to take his foot off the gasser, Dan,
(33:29):
because I'm watching the politicians in this country for the
first time screwing around trying to figure out a way
out of this. And the only way, the only absolute
way that this country is going to get out of
any kind of a hard time with tariffs, we have
to develop our own country. We are get to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Greg, Greg, I hate to do this to you, but
I've gone way too long, not as long as they
did with John. Please keep me posted. Who's going to
win the race for Prime Minister's Carnie is shoeing.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
I don't think so. I think Paul's gonna pull it out.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
All right. Well, that's gonna be interesting too. I do
got a run. Please call more often and I'll give
you more time.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I really need you as as a Canadian point of
view on my program, and I mean that honestly. Thank
you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Okay, all right, good night.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's gonna take a quick break. I'm gonna try to
get Tim Patrick, Rob and Tom all in. We can
do it if everybody cooperates.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Back on Night Side, It's night Side, Boston's News. Ready
to go.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Okay, we're gonna do a very quick round here. We're
gonna try to get five. I don't think I'll get five,
but we're gonna try. Robin Medford go ahead, Rob, set
the pace again.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Outside, I'll try to get a couple of points. And Uh,
Rome wasn't built in a day. You got to give
these tariffs a chance to take effect. Some of these
people may cave in and all these hypothetical situations.
Speaker 10 (35:01):
Uh, you don't have to worry.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
About your game boards. Uh, the price of eggs came
the price of eggs came down, didn't it. You know,
Rome wasn't built in the day. These things are gonna
are gonna take their course, and they may may become
much quicker. I feel like America has been going into
the into the school yard, and we'll be getting our
lunch money stolen all these years and again, and now
(35:25):
finally we've got somebody to stick up for us. And
and Papa Bear is gonna let us keep our lunch money.
It was like, who made these tariffs is like politicians
put it, put it on us so they could be popular,
and they give our money away.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Let's let's let's keep our bunch lunch money and figure
out how to produce checkerboards.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
That'll be our slow is the mother of invention. The
director will find a way to make aluminum here and
build game boards and so he can stay home and
pot ashes plants.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
All right, doctor Larry, Great, great job, Great, that was quick.
Let's keep rolling. Gonna go to Tom in dor Chester. Tom,
I'm prouting on you, Tom. Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
And that's why Donald Trump wants tax cuts. The tax
cuts will offset these tariffs. I'm telling you, task cuts
will get the economy going more, and we'll be all
pay for these tariffs we have to pay. And plus
these people, if you put the tariff on him, neill
cut their places. That's what they always do. China cuts
(36:30):
his prices, so you don't pay that much more at all.
All right, we get the tax cuts. We're all set, Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, Tom, you very much. Dan, appreciate your brevity.
Thank you, Tim and Wilburn. Tim, you gotta be quick
for me.
Speaker 11 (36:42):
Go ahead, Tim, Hi, Dan. I hope uh Trump succeeds
because I voted from him.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Well, that's a good reason to route and also root
for him as if he succeeds the country to do better.
I'm afraid that he might be biting off more than
get you. Time will tell.
Speaker 11 (37:00):
Time, lottel Any, I got your T shirt you sent me.
It says a gift mess Tim Ray, your Knight side
T shirt, probably in woven. All the best, Dan, Ray,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You got it. That's what I wrote, and I meant it.
Thanks Jim.
Speaker 11 (37:16):
Fiat Renault. He's on the twenty seventh of April, looking.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Forward, looking forward to it. That'll be great, Thanks Jim.
Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
Okay, thank you, good night.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Let's get Patrick. Patrick, you got to be quick for me.
I got one more I want to try to get in.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Go ahead, Patrick, Yeah, no problem. Hey, that guy with
the bull games and no offense to their guy loves
have him had the opportunity to defend himself, But it
just shows like the lack of the lack of understanding
of what we're really talking about. We're talking about the
loss of critical industry. We're talking about the loss of
steel manufacturing. We're talking about the loss of pharmaceutical manufacturers. Dan,
(37:51):
when you grew up, I mean, my dad came home
from World War Two, we went to work with Bethlehem
steel building ships. How many ships are built in Boston anymore?
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
None?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
None?
Speaker 8 (38:01):
How many thousands of working guys with union jobs making
fifty bucks an hour would that have been if they
were still built? And they're all built in China and
South Korea? Now, American politicians, let that happen. Bringing us
back to our feet is going to involve a little
bit of pain, but in the end it's going to
be worth.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
It, all right, Well said, Well said Patrick. Thank you.
I'm going to get one more in, buddy. We'll talk soon, Okay,
I owe you more time next time. Thank you. Andrew
in Gloucester, Andrew, everybody is giving you about a minute.
Go ahead, Andrew. Oh boys, if Andrew's not there, put
(38:39):
them on hold. If you find him great, we'll give
him about thirty seconds. Andrew, I got to tell you
if that that really bothers me, that somebody would call
in late and then either be so callous that they
don't follow Rob's instructions and they're listening to the radio
and then they hang up. To those who I kind
(38:59):
of changed at the end, I apologize. I was trying
to get five people in Robin Medford, Tom in Dorchester,
Tim and Wooburn and Patrick and Charlestown. All of them
gave up some time to accommodate Andrew and Andrew. You'll
let them all down so we'll remember that next time
you call Andrew. That's for sure. My thanks to all
(39:20):
the callers, specifically Rob, Tom, Tim and Patrick in the
last few minutes. They were all great. They were succeeded,
and they got right to the point. See who this is.
If this happens to be this guy Kellen callin back,
I'll be real interested. I will thank Rob Brooks, I
will thank Meda. I will thank Josh Kraft, candidate for
(39:41):
mayor in Boston. You can find him pretty easily at
Josh from Boston dot com. I will also thank Professor
Greg Staller of the Question School of Business at Boston University.
I'll be on Facebook in pretty quick time here, maybe
about I don't know. I'd say about two minutes, and
I will end as always again, I want to thank
(40:03):
everybody who called in tonight, but not Andrew from Gloucester
who stole time from other people. Done for the night.
I'm going to be on Facebook in about I don't know,
two minutes. All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's my pal Charlie Raids, who passed fifteen years ago
in February. That's why all your pets are who passed.
They loved you when you love them. I do believe
you'll see them again. Hope to see again on nightside.
(40:24):
Have a great Friday everyone, tgif will be back tomorrow night,
I guarantee it. We'll have some interesting topics tomorrow and
we'll have a great twentieth hour before you stay with us.
Thanks for your support and your loyalty. Tonight's side, my
name is Dan Ray. Sleep well everyone,
It's nice eyes. I'm telling you Ezy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yes indeed, yes, indeed, we are talking about the tariffs.
And we just had a really good hour. I thought
a great hour of Professor Greg Styler. Uh. He teaches
at the Questions the Questrom School of Business at Boston University,
and he explained things, and he went to the two
(00:30):
car the healers today to basically do his homework. I
just sent him a text and said he he deserved
an A plus tonight. He was a great guest. We
will have him back sooner rather than later. And I
just thought that the call that the Questions were good.
Let me just say, folks, when I know many of
you wait for quite a time, and you know some
(00:51):
of you want to you know you're a little nervous,
just get right to the point, particularly if you have
a question for a guest, because I bring the guest
on so that we can talk to people at that
level again, business school professors, editorial writers at the Globe,
United States attorney lawyers, and they and the ones I
(01:13):
pick are people who I know want to talk with you.
We don't have Elizabeth Warren on the shows. He turned
down many invitations. She wouldn't want to take phone calls,
she wouldn't want to talk to you. But I think
it's great when we can have people on, whatever their background,
(01:34):
but particularly people who have extraordinary jobs. You know. And
again we used to have Marty Walsh and Tom Anino on.
Mayor who doesn't seem to have that desire, which is fine,
she doesn't have to come on the show. We know
that Senator Warren very rarely well has never been on
(01:55):
the show, never been on the show. Senator Markey will
come on occasionally. We can have some fun with him.
Steve Lynch comes on a lot, Seth Molten will come on,
Laurie Trehan will come on. I hope to get Jake
Auchincloss on again and get him to take some phone calls,
because that's the service that we can provide. You don't
(02:18):
abuse it. You know. Josh Kraft was on tonight. You
got a question, ask a question, if you want to
make a kind comment, make a kind comment. He's not
coming on to be abused or be asked trek questions
and everybody feels that they got to somehow. You know. Again,
I just employ you to understand that it's not easy,
(02:41):
particularly in the eight to midnight hour, to get people
of that stature to come on to show. Many of
them work their entire day. I mean Jim Roosevelt from
on Social Security the other night, extraordinary guests. Please value
those guests because and I'm gone, whatever that is, Whoever
(03:03):
succeeds me won't be won't be providing you with guests
like that. Trust me on that. And if you if
you don't understand what I'm saying, then you're not as
as perceptive as I think most of you are. So
now it is open lines on the Trump tariffs, your thought,
your perspective. I'll try to have a conversation with you.
Let's go to David in Dorchester. David, you have held
(03:25):
on through the news. Appreciate your patience. You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I just want to know will that effect travel, what
theffect you know right uh self come from? Like electricity
coming from Canada?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, yeah, I could will Yes, we get we
get some hydro electric power, uh that that comes to
us from Quebec. I don't know that that we get
it throughout the entire year, but I think it's one
of the sources. Yeah, anything that comes in from any
foreign country will have the potential of having a tariff
(04:08):
impost on it, and that cost is going to be
passed on to you and me, whether it's a car
that's made overseas. What the Trump administration is hoping that
some of these countries that have been making money off
of us, as it were, by overcharging us on tariffs,
that that they may turn around and say, no, mass
(04:31):
let's let's go to five percent tariffs, reciprocal five percent
for you, five percent of US and in best case scenario, no,
no tariffs. I mean, everybody would love to see free trade,
but that's not been what we've been dealing with. Now.
I think President Trump has taken a huge gamble, David,
(04:52):
and this could this could cost him, you know, his
the success of his presidency. It might work, work, it
might not work. We'll have to see how it goes.
What do you what's your thoughts? Last point?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
My thought is right the way Trump is thinking, because
other countries will turn around and charging us over charge
of us. Yeah, I think Trump, you know, I think
Trump is probably on the right track on doing say
anything to him.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, he certainly has has put a stake in the
ground and we'll see how it how it works out.
I'm going to watch when I go to the grocery store,
and I I'm gonna I want to make sure that
companies who produce products in this country, who therefore are
not paying tariffs, don't try to take advantage of this situation,
(05:45):
if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, and
we will out companies on this program. If all of
a sudden, I see that there's some company that has
raised their prices because they think they can just raise
their prices, we'll talk about it on Night Side, I
promise you.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Sure, right, my friend, I appreciate you call, David.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Thank you very much for calling. You took the time
to call. Thank you much. We'll talk again. Call anytime.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
All right, good night, great night, Okay, good night.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm going to keep going here. Let's get everybody, and
John is in handover. John, You're next on nightside. Welcome. Well,
if John isn't there, we'll put him on hold. Rob
please put him on hold and we'll take a break.
We'll take a break and we'll try him on the
other side of this break. Here on Nightside. My name's
(06:37):
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. The only line open is
six one seven.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Folks, for those of you who are new to Nightside,
we have what's called a ten second delay. What that
means is that callers who try to say some bad
words and the radio, uh, we have ten seconds in
which Rob can kill those words. So if Rob puts
you on the line and says to you, okay, we're
gonna put you on hold, you'll be ready, and he
(07:11):
tells you to turn the radio down, turn the radio down.
We've had a couple of callers who you can tell
I say hello, Hello, welcome to Nightside, and they're listening
to the radio, and they don't hear me. They're not
listening on the phone. They think that they're going to
talk to me through the radio. So let's try with John,
who I believe might have been listening to the radio.
(07:32):
But we'll try him again. John, Welcome, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm here. I had you on mute.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Sorry about that, Dan, Yeah, that can happen too.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Okay, that's another thing people shouldn't do. Listen on the radio. Uh, listen,
listen on the phone. It's as simple as that go ahead.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
John, Hey, so I think then he's a master deal
maker and we kind of voted for this, you know,
and it's an investment in the future of the country.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
He said.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
You know, he's gonna do this on April third. So
any intelligent moneyman move their positions last week so they
could rebuy this week at the new low.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know, well, I wish I had done that. I
wish I wish I was an intelligent money man. Did
you do that?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
If I had money, I would have done it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, But I.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Think the forty seven in his circle is smarter and
more successful than most of the politicians they're going to
deal with. And then you know, there's going to be
pain after you put tariffs on. It's temporary, but it's
an investment. And what's the goal. It's the better the country.
And if we don't feel it right away, you know,
people who have kids the next generation, if this is
a more independent country, things are going to be cheaper
and you're going to get back to that quality of
(08:36):
life that this country is known for. We don't have
it anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, I'll tell you. I just think it's I'm not
taking a position here. I'm just telling you I think
it's a tremendous gamble. And either this will solidify Donald
Trump as a transformational president, he would he would be
in the category of a Roosevelt or a Reagan in
the sense that Reagan came to office and said, the
(09:01):
Soviet Empire, the Soviet Union is an evil empire. We
got to take him out. He spent a lot of
money building up our defense forces after the Vietnam uh
and and the hostage that Jimmy hostage situation, Jimmy Carter
Dell with and guess what, he broke the back of
the Soviet Union and the wall came down. Franklin Roosevelt
(09:23):
came in during the Great Depression and he put in
place a number of government programs which have served people
for almost one hundred years, including Social Security, amongst others.
And so he was transformational. If this works for Trump,
he's transfer transformational. If it doesn't work, he's in the
(09:47):
in the Presidential Hall of Shame as a failed president.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And he wants to be remembered as the transformational guy.
And he's the one of the few people I have
faith in. And like you know, there's a lot of
valid reasons for people who are older than me to
dislike him from like the whole draft dodging and then
you know other things, but from you know, my point
of view. I'm forty years old. I never really felt
represented by either party. And when he stepped forward and
Republicans and Democrats both hated him, I was like, oh,
(10:12):
that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, you know, let me tell you, you represent a
group of people in your age group. Look, traditionally people
your age tend to vote a little more Democratic, and
and older people voted Republican. That kind of got flipped
on its head. Donald Trump has made tremendous intro inroads
(10:35):
into folks who have been you know, when I say folks,
I'm talking about people in the category. He had more
Black support, he had more Hispanic support. The so called
gender gap was less than what the posters realized. And
he had a lot more people in their in their
twenties and in their thirties and in their early forties
(10:57):
like you who decided to give him a chance. Look,
he we only have one president at a time. Anyone
who was rooting against him is rooting against the United States.
Anyone who was rooting against Joe Biden when he was
in offices rooting against the United States, and I want
every president to be successful. But maybe that's just me.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I completely agree. Thanks a lot, Dan, You have a
good night.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You too, John. Is this your first time calling or no?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
No, we'll talk a few times. I'm the tower climber
who worked on the Bezy Tower a few times.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I have a daughter company.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, oh yeah, I thought a bunch you the other
day to see that guy. He was on a tower
somewhere in the South Shore and I think a tree
limb came down and broke his arm. No, they had
they got him down safely, but he was in a
position and no they You know, look, got to admire
what with guys like you, do you have more more guts?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And uh that's early I do. I wouldn't do it
at my and I wouldn't do it when I was
your aide. So thanks for what you do. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Thanks, thank you, Lucky, Thanks good night.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Let's keep rolling here. We got we got Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul,
welcome back. Next to night'st How are you right?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Really really great last sable with the professor that was
really good stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well it was crazy because because he just told the
truth and and there was there was no political veneer
over it. So I thought it was an hour in
which I got a better sense of tariffs, and I
hope everyone else did.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well. I hope everything works out what the President Trump
wants to do. I know, on the news it seems
like a lot of newscasters are doing the chicken little
you know, the sky is folly. Oh yeah, they're hyping,
they're hyping things up. I hope it works out. You
might always. I always a question about the whole thing.
Is all people know in life is in terms of
(12:54):
their own experience, And what I mean by that is
he wants to bring manufacturing jobs back today States. They
haven't been here in a long time. And I don't
know how true this is, but back in the nineteen eighties,
I guess it was when the Jetmeese car companies started
patting plants in the United States. They supposedly did a
study of the American worker. I don't know if you
ever heard about that study, Dad, but supposedly, like on Monday,
(13:17):
the worker was work from the weekends. Tuesday they worked, Wednesday,
they were sort of like was some day Thursday, they
sort of slacked off, and then Friday they were all
hyped up for the weekend and they didn't do much.
And whether that's short, I don't know. But you know,
you're sure they weren't talking.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Let me let me ask you this. Were they talking
about private sector workers or government workers?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Oh, now you're comment of workers, and that's a whole different,
that's the whole different, breedy cats.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, here's the thing there, here's what I remember about
that time. Okay. Uh, the auto industry was devastated because
there was a trend in this country to buy foreign cars.
I tended to buy Vovals because I felt Vovals was
(14:05):
safer cars. I am now thinking, I have an eleven
year old Voval. I got to buy a car at
some point in the in the notistic future, I'm for
the first time really going to look at American made
cars and find that find the best American made car.
And uh, and that's that's where I'm gonna go, because
(14:27):
I'm I I think it's time to support the American
worker who lives in Michigan and has a family and
is is trying to educate their kids and and and
get and get their life going.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So well, I agree, Dan, and I like to see that,
but I like to see all the President Trump's plans
that turn out good for everybody and like that. Well
woman then called it and said she wanted for President
Biden was just supporting President Trump. I have one for
President Trump and opened his plans to work out because
U you know, we have to protect the especially people
(15:03):
that work in like the vital and crucial sectors of
our country that have to do a national defense and things.
We can't be relighting in other countries all the time.
We have to eveil the pharmaceutical industry. We have to
start making these in the United States.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, look, I think that Trump. I'm going to give
Trump high grades on closing the border. That was a
huge problem. He pledged to do that. I think it's
been done, and I'm giving him grades on getting bad
guys out of the country. Okay, MS thirteen members, Trent
Augura people, get them out of the country. If a
(15:35):
mistake is made, we should be able diplomatically to call
the president of El Salvador and say, hey, we sent
you two hundred and fifty guys, three of them are
not members. Get him out of there. We'll fly him
back Okay. At the same time, I've heard these stories
and I'm sure others have that there was, you know,
(15:57):
some guy who was a barber in California and some
guy who was a Venezuelan soccer player. Well, if they
were not members of that gang, I want them brought back.
But you can. You can be a member of the
gang and a barber, or a member of the gang
and a soccer player. So you know, let's let's let's
if someone is saying, hey, you took the wrong guy
(16:21):
and they can prove it, bring him back. Bring him back.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Hey, you know what their families to say, so your
life for them. They have to people.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
No, no, no, no no. I get that. But at
the same time, I'm assuming that that for us to
know where these gang members are and for us to
we must have some inside. We must have infiltrated these gangs. Okay.
I don't know if you saw the video the other day,
and I don't know if they were gang members, but
(16:52):
a lot of the pro athletes Joe Burrows from from
the Bengals and Montana or not Montana. The whole homes
uh And and Kelsey, their homes have been broken into
while they were playing football games. You know those stories, right, uh?
And the guy and the Burroughs from Cincinnati. These a
(17:12):
bunch of guys from Chile. They were Chili gang members
from Chili who would come here. Uh. And and they're
breaking into their homes, I mean. And then there was
one the other night. There was a camera at Richard
Sherman's home. He was a former d back for the
for the Seattle Seahawks. Really good player, by the way,
and three guys come crashing through a screen with guns.
(17:35):
Now I don't know if they were Americans. I don't
know if they were gang members. But if they're gang members,
I want them gone like yesterday. If they're Americans, I
want to put in jail because if they could break
into Richard Sherman's home with guns, they can break into
your home too.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And another thing that you know you said about you
know after if you know, I hope it never happens.
But when did they leave? You know that when I
thought of that expresial, you know, step like on old toes.
What I mean by that, and respectful to you is
you know a lot of people, and you get a
lot of good people on your show, and whoever replaces you,
they're not actually have the dearth of the knowledge of
(18:10):
the people that you know what.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So yeah, well again, I just want people to be respectful.
You know when I when I bring on elected officials,
appointed officials, just realize that. Okay, look they're doing my
show at nine o'clock at night or ten o'clock at night.
They might have better things to do. Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And you always say you want a conversation. You don't
want somebody to go in there and get and make
a footbal statement. You want a conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You got it all. I appreciate you. Well. You keep
listening and keep calling. Okay, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Thank you, Hi, well Dad, thank you, talk.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To you soon. Good night, six seven, two, ten thirty.
Those lines are full. I shouldn't have been given that number.
I got Richard, John and Gary on those lines. The
line that has opened six months sep and the only
two lines that are open in six one seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We'll be back on nightside, join the conversation.
We'll talk about tariffs. Are you optimistic? Are you pessimistic?
(19:10):
Are you rooting for Trump to succeed or for Trump
to fail? I'd like to take the politics out of it,
at least for a little while. And let's talk about
what are the implications for you, me, your family, and
my family, because this is serious business. Back on Nightside,
right after the news at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Hour, night Side with Dan Ray on' WBZ, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Barr in the home stretch, Let's take this baby home,
let's put it to bed. Let's go next to Uh,
I don't know why I thought about that. Let me
go to John in Pennsylvania. Drawn your next on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Welcome, Hello, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You're welcome, John, go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
All right.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
So there are numerous reasons why these will be detrimental
to the economy. I'll list a few.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
The first is that.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Many American businesses are actually nonetheless dependent upon certain foreign
parts or foreign supplies. And along these businesses are small businesses. Example,
given believe it or not, game publishers, tabletop game publishers,
(20:30):
many of them are relatively small companies. They depend like
board board games, the actual boards dependent largely upon materials
produced in China and Vietnam. UH would take okay, So.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
When you say board games are you talking about, Well,
let me finish it, man, ask a new question. Here
are you talking about monopoly type games? Where game app
So we're not Parker John. I'm trying to have a
conversation with you. Man, I gave you a minute just
to get us going here. I'm trying to have a conversation.
(21:09):
So just work with me, okay. So like when you
say board games, I think about I don't know, monopoly
board or a checkerboard. We can't make monopoly boards or
checkerboards in this country.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
For the most part.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
They're made overseas.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
No, I understand that. Yeah, but but okay, let me
accept that they're made overseas. Now, I don't know what
the tariff would be on a checker board or a
monopoly board. I wasn't sure if you were talking when
you said board games. If you were talking like I
(21:46):
don't know a roulette wheel. You know that by some
people buy like these these expensive things for their home.
I've seen people who have five thousand dollars roulette wheels
in their homes. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So we're talking about, if we talk about board games,
why could we not make a simple checkerboard or a
monopoly board.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
I didn't say they couldn't be made here. I said
that most most game companies are actually relatively small, and
they mostly okay, if they were to well, first of all,
most of them couldn't afford the capital investment. But if they,
if they, if they simply pass along the costs, okay,
few are people going to buy. If they absorb the cost,
they'll likely go out of business. So that's that's one Okay,
(22:30):
that's one example. Here's another example. Do you know what
potash is?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Potox potash?
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Potash a fertilizer that provides potassium to many crops in
the US. Okay, manure isn't isn't sufficient to provide potassium
to the crops. We're dependent upon Canada for potash. We
can't produce enough. Our climate doesn't allow enough to be produced.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So you need you need it. Let's let me understand this.
So you're telling me that in order to produce potass,
we need to have a cold.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Climate, correct, among other things.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, well, I don't know what the other things are.
So you're telling me that in the states of the
sparsely populated states of like North Dakota, Montana and South Dakota, Idaho,
which have very frigid winters, very similar to Manitoba.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
That's that alone isn't enough. You have to have the
right mix of mineral runoff as well as the cold
weather as as well as the die off from certain
from certain plans. So we're dependent on Canada.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That okay. So I believe that we can still we
can disagree on this. I believe that we can make
board games. But whatever. So that that that's fine. So
let me ask you this so well, if if your
theory is in which it might be that these tariffs
(24:08):
are not only going to be destructive, counterproductive and all
of that, but it's then going to cause us either
more problems down the line. And if I accept that theory,
just for the purposes of conversation, how do we solve
a thirty seven trillion dollar Because I think that's one
of the things that he seems to be addressing, and
it's one of the things that bothers me. I've never
(24:31):
figured out how old you are, but I assume that
we're kind of around the same age. I'm a baby boomer.
I assume you might be as well.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
No, I'm the generation behind you.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Okay, fair enough, okay, So how are we going to
solve the federal debt problem in this country. You're a
smart guy.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
You know what the dead is, right, So let's let
I'm glad you got to that. So let's look at this.
So there's three main propositions with these tariffs, correct. The
first is that, well, he said basically three things.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
One is that he.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Expects either prices not to go up, at least not
in the long term, because either the suppliers will absorb
the cost or the importers will absorb the cost. In
what he's also said that there's going to be a
revival of people buying American goods. That's premise two. Premise
(25:27):
three is that these tariffs are going to generate tremendous,
tremendous wealth uh to the to the federal government to
pay off the deficit. But let's let's so let's look
and see if these work. So if prices are absorbed,
I've already pointed out that many small manufacturers and retailers
and so on won't be able to do that, but
(25:48):
let's just let's take take it as a given. If they're absorbed,
then there isn't any pressure to buy American right, There
wouldn't be any pressure price wise to give American made
product and service as a competitive advantage. So one contradicts two.
So let's let's assume that the two is true. Okay,
(26:08):
that there is a competitive advantage. Prices of foreign goods
go up, so there's gonna be more purchasing of American
goods and services. Now, of course those prices will go up. Two,
because you'll have more people, the demand for those will
go up. Okay, So in that case, the imports will fall,
(26:30):
and then the tariff revenue will fall likewise, which contradicts three,
that the terriff is the terrific.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
John, John, you're going through economic gymnastics with me, and
I'm not gonna even attempt to argue every point.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Clearly you think gymnastics one contra John.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You have your point of you here. I'm just simply
telling you. You've been with me now seven minutes. You
have had more time than any other caller we'll have tonight.
The point is, the bottom line is you think that
this is a bad set of ideas. I'm not going
to change your mind. I just want to ask you,
(27:13):
excuse me, I just want to ask you one question.
Do you hope he succeeds or fails?
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Well?
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I hope I want the American economy to succeed.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay, he's the president.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Do I want do you want an initiative of this administration,
which frankly I find to be anti constitutional and frankly
mostly anti American product.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I understand you really disliked this guy. I got it,
no problem, and I'm sure that you could spend twenty
minutes telling me all the reasons why you dislike him.
So I'm just asking you real simple. You're kind of
in a bad situation because you want to root for
the economy, but you hope he fails.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Well, I expect this to feel because.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
The way you're not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, Well, let us see. Let us keep our conversation.
We've done eight eight and a half minutes. My man, Okay,
I got other people. I gotta get to it. I
can't give everybody eight minutes, so I got to keep rolling.
But keep me keep calling. I want to know how
you feel next week, next month. You are always welcome
to call this show. You know that, Okay, Thank you, John.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I just wish sometimes if you haven't account of argument
of logic, not are you running against the America?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
No? No, Well, see you're a much smarter guy that
I am. John, I can't even I can't even deal
with your logic. You're much smarter than I am. So
I listened to you for a while and then I
asked you a couple of questions. That's all.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I just think you didn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, no again, John, I'd love to have, like spend
an hour with you. Okay. You know, you know maybe
what I can do is I can come to Pennsylvania.
I can spend the weekend and we can just talk
all weekend and and one of us will Neither one
of us will convince each other, but I'm sure you'd
be a great guy to have dinner or a beer with.
So hit the nine minute mark. I gotta run.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
If you ever want to, I'll buy you.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Right back at you, Thanks, John. Okay, let me go
to Richard and Lowell. Richard, you're next on Nitside. Go
right ahead, sir. Okay, Richard's listening to his radio. Put
him down, put him on hold. We're going to go
to Greg and Ontario. Greg and Ontario, you're next on
night Side.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Yeah right, Dan, good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Right back at you, Greg, Welcome, Thanks.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Yeah, it was us in a conversation, Dan, and uh
about the Podash. We have a lot of that in
here in Canada and Saskatchewan. That's the main source, like
your Lives caller said, Yeah, in terms of the terror, yeah,
you know, in terms of the tariffs and how it's
affecting Canada and things like this, and and uh, you know,
(29:49):
it's still our leaders here. They don't they don't understand
that they don't have this leverage. They're kind of still
shooting their mouth off on how they're going to retaliate
a little bit. And I think that's probably really bad
for this country. On the other hand, Dan, it's good,
like I mentioned to you before, where it's going to
finally get our politicians off their butts to do something
(30:11):
for this country and get it off to stand on
and rely on everybody all the time for everything, you know.
And it's in terms of the auto sector and things
like that. Well, I was I was brought up. I
was born in Windsor, So that was right across from Detroit,
as you know. Yeah, and so a lot of my
(30:32):
family worked in that sector. I worked in it for
Tool and Die. For a short period of time, I
worked in some of the auto plants there. And I
gotta tell you, I remember back in the seventies, about
the mid seventies when all the automotives started moving out
to Mexico. I had guys, yeah, you know. And and
(30:55):
the thing is Canada here doesn't understand. They don't own
any of this, and so they're going to be susceptible
to things changing in the economies. And we're we're going
to lose some of this work, but we could probably
replace that with other things. And and then and then
in Canada started making these threat against the US economy, saying, well,
(31:17):
we're not going to supply with the aluminum. Well, I'm
not sure if it's a good known fact. We have
this in Quebec. Here we have a we're all the
aluminum actually is refined, but we buy We don't have
an aluminum mine here. We buy the aluminum from Brazil,
which is one of the countries that has the utmost
(31:39):
deposits of aluminum in the world, along with Guinea in Australia.
So I try to talk to people here Dan and
I say, like, if you really p o the United States,
they can go to Brazil, get the aluminum and just
refine it. In America and they can do that with
a steel right, and I think I.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Think Trump would do that in a New York. Second,
let me ask you real quickly. I think that your politician,
is it Doug.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Ford, Yeah, the Premier of Ontario, Yes, Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Premier of Ontario. Okay, so he's your premier. He's not
the prime minister. So he's in effect like the governor
of the of what we would think of as a
governor of the state of Massachusetts. In effect, the premier
is like a governor. Am I correct on that?
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Yeah, that's that's correct man.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay. So he apparently has been quoted in the last
day or so saying that, look, he's willing to talk
to Trump and he's willing to reduce as long as
America will reduce the tariffs as well. Did that surprise you.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Uh No, it didn't.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
He's met with Trump or not. Actually, some of the
Trump's administration. I think a couple of times before these
terrorists were put through and they were talking like they
were shooting their mauls off, like our premier Doug Fort,
he's talking this tough a game. You know. You heard
him say, like we're going to cut the power off
to the United States and all this time of stuff,
and we're all sitting here, like a lot of Canadians
(33:08):
are sitting there going like shut your mouth, like you
don't understand that. You're like like they don't understand, Dan,
they don't understand They're not the big dog in this
fight and we're not going to win a tariff wark
against the US. Now. We can still be partners in
a lot of things. But like I keep saying, I
really don't want Trump to take his foot off the gasser, Dan,
(33:29):
because I'm watching the politicians in this country for the
first time screwing around trying to figure out a way
out of this. And the only way, the only absolute
way that this country is going to get out of
any kind of a hard time with tariffs, we have
to develop our own country. We are get to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Greg, Greg, I hate to do this to you, but
I've gone way too long, not as long as they
did with John. Please keep me posted. Who's going to
win the race for Prime Minister's Carnie is shoeing.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
I don't think so. I think Paul's gonna pull it out.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
All right. Well, that's gonna be interesting too. I do
got a run. Please call more often and I'll give
you more time.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I really need you as as a Canadian point of
view on my program, and I mean that honestly. Thank
you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Okay, all right, good night.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's gonna take a quick break. I'm gonna try to
get Tim Patrick, Rob and Tom all in. We can
do it if everybody cooperates.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Back on Night Side, It's night Side, Boston's News. Ready
to go.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Okay, we're gonna do a very quick round here. We're
gonna try to get five. I don't think I'll get five,
but we're gonna try. Robin Medford go ahead, Rob, set
the pace again.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Outside, I'll try to get a couple of points. And Uh,
Rome wasn't built in a day. You got to give
these tariffs a chance to take effect. Some of these
people may cave in and all these hypothetical situations.
Speaker 10 (35:01):
Uh, you don't have to worry.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
About your game boards. Uh, the price of eggs came
the price of eggs came down, didn't it. You know,
Rome wasn't built in the day. These things are gonna
are gonna take their course, and they may may become
much quicker. I feel like America has been going into
the into the school yard, and we'll be getting our
lunch money stolen all these years and again, and now
(35:25):
finally we've got somebody to stick up for us. And
and Papa Bear is gonna let us keep our lunch money.
It was like, who made these tariffs is like politicians
put it, put it on us so they could be popular,
and they give our money away.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Let's let's let's keep our bunch lunch money and figure
out how to produce checkerboards.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
That'll be our slow is the mother of invention. The
director will find a way to make aluminum here and
build game boards and so he can stay home and
pot ashes plants.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
All right, doctor Larry, Great, great job, Great, that was quick.
Let's keep rolling. Gonna go to Tom in dor Chester. Tom,
I'm prouting on you, Tom. Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
And that's why Donald Trump wants tax cuts. The tax
cuts will offset these tariffs. I'm telling you, task cuts
will get the economy going more, and we'll be all
pay for these tariffs we have to pay. And plus
these people, if you put the tariff on him, neill
cut their places. That's what they always do. China cuts
(36:30):
his prices, so you don't pay that much more at all.
All right, we get the tax cuts. We're all set, Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, Tom, you very much. Dan, appreciate your brevity.
Thank you, Tim and Wilburn. Tim, you gotta be quick
for me.
Speaker 11 (36:42):
Go ahead, Tim, Hi, Dan. I hope uh Trump succeeds
because I voted from him.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Well, that's a good reason to route and also root
for him as if he succeeds the country to do better.
I'm afraid that he might be biting off more than
get you. Time will tell.
Speaker 11 (37:00):
Time, lottel Any, I got your T shirt you sent me.
It says a gift mess Tim Ray, your Knight side
T shirt, probably in woven. All the best, Dan, Ray,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You got it. That's what I wrote, and I meant it.
Thanks Jim.
Speaker 11 (37:16):
Fiat Renault. He's on the twenty seventh of April, looking.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Forward, looking forward to it. That'll be great, Thanks Jim.
Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
Okay, thank you, good night.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Let's get Patrick. Patrick, you got to be quick for me.
I got one more I want to try to get in.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Go ahead, Patrick, Yeah, no problem. Hey, that guy with
the bull games and no offense to their guy loves
have him had the opportunity to defend himself, But it
just shows like the lack of the lack of understanding
of what we're really talking about. We're talking about the
loss of critical industry. We're talking about the loss of
steel manufacturing. We're talking about the loss of pharmaceutical manufacturers. Dan,
(37:51):
when you grew up, I mean, my dad came home
from World War Two, we went to work with Bethlehem
steel building ships. How many ships are built in Boston anymore?
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
None?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
None?
Speaker 8 (38:01):
How many thousands of working guys with union jobs making
fifty bucks an hour would that have been if they
were still built? And they're all built in China and
South Korea? Now, American politicians, let that happen. Bringing us
back to our feet is going to involve a little
bit of pain, but in the end it's going to
be worth.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
It, all right, Well said, Well said Patrick. Thank you.
I'm going to get one more in, buddy. We'll talk soon, Okay,
I owe you more time next time. Thank you. Andrew
in Gloucester, Andrew, everybody is giving you about a minute.
Go ahead, Andrew. Oh boys, if Andrew's not there, put
(38:39):
them on hold. If you find him great, we'll give
him about thirty seconds. Andrew, I got to tell you
if that that really bothers me, that somebody would call
in late and then either be so callous that they
don't follow Rob's instructions and they're listening to the radio
and then they hang up. To those who I kind
(38:59):
of changed at the end, I apologize. I was trying
to get five people in Robin Medford, Tom in Dorchester,
Tim and Wooburn and Patrick and Charlestown. All of them
gave up some time to accommodate Andrew and Andrew. You'll
let them all down so we'll remember that next time
you call Andrew. That's for sure. My thanks to all
(39:20):
the callers, specifically Rob, Tom, Tim and Patrick in the
last few minutes. They were all great. They were succeeded,
and they got right to the point. See who this is.
If this happens to be this guy Kellen callin back,
I'll be real interested. I will thank Rob Brooks, I
will thank Meda. I will thank Josh Kraft, candidate for
(39:41):
mayor in Boston. You can find him pretty easily at
Josh from Boston dot com. I will also thank Professor
Greg Staller of the Question School of Business at Boston University.
I'll be on Facebook in pretty quick time here, maybe
about I don't know. I'd say about two minutes, and
I will end as always again, I want to thank
(40:03):
everybody who called in tonight, but not Andrew from Gloucester
who stole time from other people. Done for the night.
I'm going to be on Facebook in about I don't know,
two minutes. All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's my pal Charlie Raids, who passed fifteen years ago
in February. That's why all your pets are who passed.
They loved you when you love them. I do believe
you'll see them again. Hope to see again on nightside.
(40:24):
Have a great Friday everyone, tgif will be back tomorrow night,
I guarantee it. We'll have some interesting topics tomorrow and
we'll have a great twentieth hour before you stay with us.
Thanks for your support and your loyalty. Tonight's side, my
name is Dan Ray. Sleep well everyone,
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