May 8, 2025 • 38 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
May is National Arthritis Awareness Month AND National Osteoporosis Awareness and Prevention Month. Anyone over age 50 has an increased risk for arthritis AND osteoporosis! How to help & treat arthritis and osteoporosis with guest Dr. Jocelyn Wittstein - board-certified orthopedic surgeon and associate professor of orthopedic surgery at Duke University School of Medicine.
Highlighting females in Corrections & Tackling Safety on Cape Cod this Summer with guest Sheriff Donna Buckley – Sheriff of Barnstable County.
The Celtics-Knicks Series with guest Bob Ryan - Boston Globe Sports Columnist.
Local Boston man involved in the national drug trafficking ring and the huge fentanyl busts reminds us just how close this crisis hits to home. A real story of what’s broken and how we fix it… Why summer months see the lowest engagement in treatment and recovery with guest Adam Vibe Gunton - national leader in the recovery movement.
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May is National Arthritis Awareness Month AND National Osteoporosis Awareness and Prevention Month. Anyone over age 50 has an increased risk for arthritis AND osteoporosis! How to help & treat arthritis and osteoporosis with guest Dr. Jocelyn Wittstein - board-certified orthopedic surgeon and associate professor of orthopedic surgery at Duke University School of Medicine.
Highlighting females in Corrections & Tackling Safety on Cape Cod this Summer with guest Sheriff Donna Buckley – Sheriff of Barnstable County.
The Celtics-Knicks Series with guest Bob Ryan - Boston Globe Sports Columnist.
Local Boston man involved in the national drug trafficking ring and the huge fentanyl busts reminds us just how close this crisis hits to home. A real story of what’s broken and how we fix it… Why summer months see the lowest engagement in treatment and recovery with guest Adam Vibe Gunton - national leader in the recovery movement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice size. I'm telling you crazy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thanks, thank you, Madison appreciated on that game three.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We'll be in New York on Saturday afternoon, so I
will be able to watch that game like all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I don't have to do Nightside up. I guess that
a Celtics game. Good evening.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Everybody, welcome on in. My name is Dan Ray, host
of Nightside, heard every Monday through Friday night here in
WBZ Celtics game, Red Sox game, Brewers game whatever. I'll
suggest to you sports fans are turned the audio down
on the game, watch the game. You're all good sports fans,
and you can listen to Nightside. You can multitask, that's
(00:40):
no problem. My name is Dan Ray, and Rob is
off again tonight, but we're delighted to have Brew Brian
Butt with us again. And we will have Brian with
us tonight, his second night flying the plane for us here,
and everybody sit back and relax.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We're going to be just fine.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
We will be talking tucking later on this evening, beginning
at nine o'clock about the news story of the day,
and that is the election of the first American pope.
Pope Leo the fourteenth, formerly Cardinal Robert Privo of Chicago
and also Peru, and we'll kind of work through.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
We have a couple of guests lined up who can
talk about the process and his background. And it was stunning,
is the I think it's the two hundred and sixty
seventh pope in the history of the Catholic Church, first
from the United States, and of course we've only been
around two in and fifty years, so the first I
don't know, first two thousand, the first couple one hundred,
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two hundred and forty really don't count, but anyway, well
they do count for the church, but we did. We
weren't America then, so we could not have been competing.
But we have finally an American pope and those of
us you don't have to be a Catholic to be
happy about that. I think it's great and we'll talk
about that. We'll also talk about later on tonight, perhaps
Joe Biden and Joe Biden's appearance today on the View
(02:04):
that was interesting. We have some interesting sound from that
as well. But first, we have four really interesting guests
in the first hour, as we always do, and we're
going to start it off tonight with doctor Joshlyn Witstein,
a board certified orthopedic surgeon and Associate professor of orthopedic
Surgery at Duke University School of Medicine. Duke is a
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great school buddy of mine who played basketball there many
many years ago and went on to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
A great NBA career, Jack Marin.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So I never went to Duke, never never been on
Duke's campus, but I feel a little closeness to Duke
University because of my friendship with Jack Marron. Doctor Witchstein,
welcome to night Side.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
How are you very good?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, you've had some other good basketball players along the way,
so yeah, they've got a few and a couple of
good coaches as well. One that plays in the Celtics
right now, and we'll talk about that later. May is
National Arthritis Awareness Month and also National Osteoporosis Awareness and
Prevention Month, And anyone who is on the wrong side
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of fifty, as I say, has an increased risk for
arthritis in or osteoporosis. So the first question is there
are a huge There has to be a huge difference
between these two. But I think some people, including me,
tend to use them interchangeably. Tell us if you could
in quick terms the distinctions between these two conditions.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, happy to I'm always you know, I think about
them as being very different, of course, but if you're
not a doctor or in the medical field, it's confusing.
So osteoporosis is specifically a definition of thinning of the
or loss of bone density. So it's you know, how
dense and how strong are your bones. Osteo Arthritis is
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how worn down or worn out are your joints. So
the wearing down of the cartilage, formation of bones, burrs
and the joints, and of course our bones and our
joints are connected, but these are very different processes that
do happen to both affect people often over the age
of fifty.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So what can those of us on the wrong side
of fifty, even those in the right side of fifty
but approaching fifty, what can they do to ward off
early onset of these conditions or even worse yet, them
really causing significant problems as we all age.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I think that it's easy to talk about prevention of osteoporosis.
That can be sort of a lifelong preventative measure, or
it could be something that you start working on even
if you've already developed some osteoporosis or loss of bone density.
The most important aspects of maintaining your bone density are
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participating in strength training programs, including resistance training like lifting weights.
Participating in a little bit of jumping something that causes
some impact on your bone stimulates bone density. And then
while we want you to build bone density, it's also
important to not fall, So it's important to work on
balance and a little bit of agility. So fall prevention,
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combined with making your bones more dense can help you
not break a bone as you get folder. It's a
little bit trickier to talk about how do we prevent earthritis,
because one in four adults will develop arthritis at some point.
But one of the most preventive things that people can
do to reduce the risk of developing arthritis is to
maintain a healthy body weight, because obesity is certainly associated
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with earthritis and progression of earthritis.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
What about drinking milk. I'm a big milk drinker, and
I always thought that drinking milk, even into our time
on the other side of fifty, on the wrong side
of fifty, helps with both of those conditions or is
that perhaps something that I was told when I was
young that no longer was true.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So milk is an excellent source of calcium. It's very
what we called bioavailable, meaning you can absorb it pretty easily.
And calcium is an important nutrient to get from your
diet for your bone density and your bone health. Calcium
isn't particularly helpful for your joint health. One thing that
we need to remember, though, is that when we're thinking
of foods that nourish your bones and help you maintain
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bone density, calcium is just one part of the picture,
and it doesn't all have to come from milk. It
can also come from vegetables, for instance.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Any particular vegetables across the board, because again I'm someone
who listens, and if it's all vegetables, that's great, But
if there's a couple.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah we should.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Those I think the best, right, the best ones to
focus on in terms of plant based sources of calcium
are what we call cruciferous vegetables, things like broccoli, cauliflower,
things like that. And then one that people often don't
think about that is a really good source of calcium
is backchoy. It has a very very available calcium content.
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So you can get as much calcium from one cup
of cooked box toy as you can from drinking one
cup of milk.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, so what about Okay, one of my favorite A
couple of my favorite vegetables.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I love.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Leafy vegetables, but I also love beets and tomatoes.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Those are good for your joints, they.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Are Okay, Well, that's fine cover that. I don't know
why I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Not Russian or is my family Russian base, but I
feel that somewhere in my background some one of my
predecessors ancestors must have eaten a lot of borsh or something.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Whatever beats are.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
In of diet is so so important as we get older,
and and it's it's great that folks like yourself are
willing to talk with us about these issues because a
lot of us. You know, here's one that I love.
And you're gonna laugh at me when I say this.
As a kid, I used to watch Popeye the Sailor, So.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I actually linach, Spinach? Is that is that a good one?
Who is that over sold by Popeye the Sailor?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, Well, I have a little bit of disappointing news
for you. Spinach is really not a good source of
calcium because it does have a lot of calcium in it,
it just has some other things in it called oxalates
that make the calcium a bit hard to absorb. So,
you know, spinach is good for many things in terms
of you know, you get some fiber, you get some
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other vitamins and minerals that are are good for you.
It has some you know, antioxidants in it that are
anti inflammatory. But in terms of calcium, it's actually not
a good source of calcium, so that it is a
little bit over sold.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
In that way.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I'm one of the few people when they when they
offer you a vegetable at a restaurant, I'll see it
can't have a side of spinach, And a lot of
times the waiters and waitresses look at me like, really, I.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Also love spin itch, you know, saud tied with garlic
or whatever, and I eat spine. It's not that I
don't eat it, it's just that it shouldn't be your
source of calcium. And if you're trying to utilize something
else in your diet as a source of calcium, you
also don't really want to pair it with the spinach
because it's going to reduce the amount of calcium that
you absorb.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You know, there's a lot of thought that has to
go into our diets if we're really going to do effectively.
Doctor I really enjoyed our conversation. Go Blue Devils, Doctor
jos Jocelyn Witstein, thank you so much for joining us.
Many people who come on our program have books, and
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you have one called The Complete Bone and Joint Health
Plan Help Prevent and Treat Osteoporosis and Arthritis.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How can people get that book?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, you can find it on Amazon or on Barnes
and Nobles online anywhere that you purchase your books. It's
in bookstores and basically it's a guide for you to
optimize your bone and joint health, including understanding anti inflammatory
and bone health, diet choice, with recipes and exercises to
help you optimize all those things.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, we have a good audience, a lot of them
are very much concerned about aging and being in shape
throughout their entire life. So I think that probably there's
a few folks who have written that down and if
for those who didn't, the Complete Bone en Joint Health
Plan written by the way with a colleague doctor not
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a doctor, or is he Sydney is a doctor Sydney.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
She's a registered dietician, so I'm an rithspeak surgeon and
she's a registered dietician.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Perfect okay. And the book The Complete Bone and Joint
Health Plan help prevent and treat osteoporosis and arthritis. Thanks
very much, doctor Winstein with Stein Witstein, I appreciate it
very much.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Thank you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
All right, bye, talk again.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Coming back, We're going to talk with the only female
sheriff in the commwalth of Massachusetts, Sheriff Donna Buckley, the
sheriff of Barnstable County. She's the only female, the only
mother and the only grandmother sheriff. So if you get
arrested in Barnstable County, you're probably gonna get a chance
to enjoy the accommodations that Sheriff Buckley provides. We'll talk
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with her about We're gonna highlight females and corrections and
tackling safety on Cape Cod this summer. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well tonight we're highlighting and we have been highing this month. Actually,
Sheriff's from around the Commonwealth. But we're highlighting females tonight
in corrections and tackling safety on Cape Cod this summer.
No one was better qualified for that than Sheriff Donna Buckley.
She's one of fourteen county sheriffs here in Massachusetts, the
only female, the only mom, the only grandmother sheriff elected
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in Massachusetts. Welcome Sheriff Buckley. How are you this evening?
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I'm great, Dan, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I think everybody knows Barnstable County is down there on
the Cape, But how many communities do you represent down there?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
We have fifteen towns stretching all the way from woodsholl
and Falmouth to Provincetown.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Now you're a lawyer by education Suffolk University Law School.
How did you end up as a sheriff? I mean
not too many people wake up Sunday and say I
want to become a sheriff. I mean is It's a
great position, don't get me wrong, but it's not one
that most people gravitate towards. How did you end up,
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and particularly as the first female, a female sheriff in
the history of Barnstable County. I guess it's three hundred
and thirty three years old, so it's about time.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
You know. It was not on my bucket list, Dan,
I you know, I had an opportunity in twenty eighteen
to go to work at the Sheriff's Office as general counsel,
and when it came time for the election, I saw
an opportunity to have a really important in conversation with
the people in Barnstable County about what direction our Sheriff's
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Office should take. And with the prevalence of addiction and
mental health challenges in our criminal justice system, I heard
loud and clear from the voters in Barnstable County that
they believe what will make them safer is if we
provide treatment and opportunities for people to move forward with
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support so that they do not become a recidivism statistic.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
No, I think that's praise worthy, laudatory and all of that.
But the other side of the coin is that you've
got some you've got some tough cases down there. You've had,
not necessarily during your term, but there was a police
officer shot and killed a few years ago as they
were trying to roast a guy out of an attic.
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I'm sure you're familiar with more familiar with that case
than I am. But there's just some horrific crimes that
seem to occur in the Cape of drug and alcohol use. Uh,
the Cape is not immune from that. We've got a
lot of bad stuff going on. How do you balance that?
I mean, obviously you've got you've got to incarcerate people
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and you've got to hope you can rehability rehabilitate them.
At the same time, not everybody is looking who's incarcerated,
it looks wants to be necessarily rehabilitated.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's going to be a tough situation to find yourself in.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
You know what, You're right on, You're right on there.
I mean, there are some horrific, horrific crimes on the Cape.
We are not immune. In fact, sometimes it makes it
more difficult for us to get the resources that we
need to address the addiction and mental health, our homelessness, fuel,
food and security, and transportation challenges that we have on
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the Cape because we are this tourist community. But as
as sheriff, if we can't that one person on a
path where they're not going to come back, where they're
going to be able to move on and have a
productive life and be a contribute to our community. That's
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a success. And no, not everyone is going to be rehabilitated.
Not everyone is, but not everyone is the typical criminal
that you know we used to think about twenty years ago.
The prevalence of addiction and mental health challenges have changed
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the nature of who ends up in jails.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How much fanadol are you seeing down the cape?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Our share? We're seeing our share. You know, it's not
talked about like it's talked about in urban communities, but
we're seeing our share. You know, I've heard that in fact,
we are sort of a prime place to sell to
sell drugs because of the tourist nature of our community.
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So we are vigilant. Our Sheriff's Office in Barnstable County
not only does our jail, but we support all fifteen
local police departments through our Regional Law Enforcement Council to
make sure that we can do the very best to
address the drugs issue, to make sure that our community
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is safe.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Later on on this hour, we're going to be talking
with a national leader in the recovery movement, And like you,
I stand in admiration for anyone who's able to overcome
an addiction. I think of my good friend, and I'm
sure of someone you know very well, a mayor, former
Boston mayor, Martie Walsh, you know, who beat addiction and
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has gone on to do great service for Boston and
also for the NHL Players Association.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So you have to stand in awe of those people.
I just.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I just want you to know on behalf of people
on the Cape that they appreciate whatever you can do
and whatever your office can do to help keep them
and their family safe, because unfortunately, so much crime occurs
even on the Cape.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I read about it all the time. In a part
of the state where you would.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Think of only as a good time is being had
by all, you know, summertime, spring fall and all of that,
and even during the winter, but that crime is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So please continue the fight.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Let me you know.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Sometimes, you know, we have these conversations and there are
some people who sort of look at this as a
soft on crime, you know when you talk about rehabilitation
and treatment. But I come from it to it from
a different perspective. When you think about someone who is
dealing with addiction and it is committing crimes to feed
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that addiction, what is more unsafe. Lock that person up,
do nothing with them, let them do their time, and
then put them back on the streets in a worse
position than when they came in. Or to try to
address the root cause of why they're committing crimes, to
try to address and put them on a path where
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they can experience the power of recovery if they so choose,
give them the support. So it's not a soft on crime.
People need to be held accountable. No one wants to
be the victim of a crime. And making sure that
we do the work while people are incarcerated. Statistics show
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that that is more likely to create a safer community
than simply looking at this person committed a crime, lock
them up, I don't want to see them again.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Every person you can take off and convince them to
get off the crime treadmill is a huge victory.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It's a huge victory. So my hat's off to you
for any of that effort.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I simply am saying that that those of us who
spend any time in the Cape, we want to spend
it in a in a community where we can enjoy
ourselves and enjoy our family safe, safely. And I was
actually saying thank you for the work that you do,
and thanks to the police officers who put their lives
in the line every day for fellow residents and visitors
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to Cape call it. So please take that nothing as
nothing more than a compliment for the work you do.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Okay, absolutely, And actually I I I hear you. It's
it's sometimes you know other people that are listening, because
I hear it a lot, you know, I hear that
they look sort of in this this one school or
the other. And my goal in running for sheriff, primary
goal is public safety.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That's that's got to be the primary goal. And if
and again there's there's a couple of ways to approach it.
And I congratulate you on your job, and I congratulate
you on breaking the glass ceiling, if you will, the
barriers for women and law enforcement. I have a sister
in law who's a former state police officer, so I
stand at admirate wow one who works in the interest
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of public safety. Sheriff Buckley. Sheriff Donna Buckley, thanks so
much for your time. I really do appreciate it. Thank
you for what you do.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Thank you very much. Dan.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You're welcome when we come back We're going to talk
about a tough subject, the Celtics Knick series with Bob
Ryan and the Boston Globe. Nobody has watched more playoff
games than basketball NBA playoff games than Bob Ryan. Will
find out what Bob thinks about what has gone down
the last couple of games here in Boston, and they're
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on their way to New York this weekend. Back on
Night Side, right after the News at the bottom of
the hour.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
All Right, basketball fans, buckle up Game three three Saturday
at MSG with us is a guy who, as far
as I'm concerned, has probably watched more NBA playoff games
than anyone in history. Bob, who, more than you has
watched NBA NBA playoff games going back through your career.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
When you think.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
About oh, I'm sure there's some people, but I do
think locally, I was thinking about this today. I may
be the only one around who's still active, at least
mildly active, who goes back to the sixties.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But no, but the only what I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Saying, think about it, how many how many teams during
your career have had anywhere close to the number of
playoff games that the that the Celtics have played in.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And I really mean that.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Yeah, I know the Celtics. Yeah, oh no, I go back.
My first game I attended was as a student at
Boston College nineteen sixty six, Game seventh, Red Hourbacks final game,
and the first game I covered was the game five
as a playoff Game five in nineteen seventy the Knicks
and the Lakers. And by the way, today is the
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fifty fifth anniversary of the Knicks winning their first championship
in nineteen seventy. May eight, nineteen seventy, a Friday night,
they defeated the Lakers in Game seven in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So I do go.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
I was there. I covered games five and seven that year.
I've got some good experience, It's true.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So okay, so what are you seeing? We must not
forget that the Celtics have lost two home court games
by a grand total of four points, three and one.
Celtics normally don't lose games that close.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Well, this group has certainly earned our faith and respect,
and it's not what people were expecting. This is definitely
the Knicks didn't get the script apparently that they were
issued in and they were in proversational theater now. But anyway,
the Celtics, this is surprising, of course the people. But
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I think there's so there's a few things on one
is this whole issue number one topic A. Are the
Celtics two relentlessly dependent on the three point shot? And
if so, when are they going to start having a
Plan B. That's the number one topic that people are
batting around with regard to this state of affairs that
they find themselves in. They have taken one hundred three
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point shots in the last two games. It had made
twenty five of them. That's a woeful percentage and it's
far below their norm. So is there going to be
some evening out theory now when they get to New
York on the Saturday afternoon till Mozilla appears to feel
that way. Yesterday morning, on the morning of Game two,
I caught the end of an interview, well not the
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whole thing, but at the end of an interview and
when he was giving an answer, and the question had
to have been about this idea of what you need
to go to Plan B more often, and he said,
we are getting good looks and we usually make them,
and he's confident that they will make them. Well that night.
Last night they did not make them. And now two
games in a row in which they did not make them,
they weren't normal cells. Well, it's just correctible. Yes, I'll
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tell you what I'm more concerned about. I'm more concerned
about health. I want to know what's going on with
Christaps Persingis was my next question, by the way, Yeah, no,
In general terms, health is the most important factor as
you enter the playoffs. I would wouldn't mind playing seven
road games if you told me my team is healthy
and my key players are all ready to go. Well,
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that's not the case. Now we know that for Zingis
has been ill and he's still not recovered. He said
that publicly. We know that Brown has been dealing with
a knee. We suspect strongly that Tatum has a risk
issue that that he's been dealing with. And then you know,
is not me mentioning at the present time. And we
also know that Drew Holiday missed games at the end
of the in the last series, and that he's not
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one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Either and Houses out too right.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And Howser's out completely, and he said, you know he's
in the mix. He's an important three point shooter. He's
had a good year for them. He's he's he's matured,
he's gotten, and he's he's a piece of the puzzle.
So well, that's all going on, and that's why I
have personally lowered my level of expectation. I can live
with that. I understand that. To me. Historically, Dan, that
is the number one variable in playoffs historically is health
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and and you've got to have it. You go back
to nineteen fifty eight, so they were one of the
two years that Bill Russell didn't win. You know why
they didn't win that year when they were clearly the
better team. He was hurt and I actually missed the
game or two in that finals and was never himself.
So it's it's a it's a constant. It never goes away.
Look right now with the Cleveland Cavaliers, who by the way,
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along with the Celtics, have lost their first two games
at home. What a game two against Indiana, they were
missing three of their first six players. So that that's
that's what. That just tells you what you need to know.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Okay, So here's my here's my question going into New York.
In football, we always think that the home team the
home field advantage in football. Most people think of it
as a six point advantage. Then you know if it's
if it's a six point spread, you say, well, through
pretty even teams and the home team's a six point
favorite because they had the home team advantage. Home field
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advantage football is different than basketball. Is there a home
court advantage in basketball? In your opinion?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
There was the times. I think there's no question there
was a certain left. For example, the nineteen eighty five
eighty six Celtics were forty and one at home, thirty
seven of them in the Garden and three of them
at Hartford US one game all year at home. Now
this team is a very different beast. This team played
better statistically and performing better on the road than it
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did at home. This team established one of the great
road records in the history of the NBA, thirty three
and eight on the road and the best in the
franchise history. And now they're going to New York. So
how much of this is going to translate into playoffs?
Do you have to remember? Players for different matter, just
different dynamics completely, But they have that to rely on.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I guess you know how healthy are the knick spot.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
They are they go. They have one guy that they
didn't have in the last series, Mitchell Robinson, their backup center,
who's a no offensive threat except for the lob but
he's a very good defender and it's a good shot blocker,
and they did not have him, but they have him now.
They have him now. You know, he's the terrible free
throw shooter. And the Celtics played hacker Mitchell to put
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him on the line in the first game, and he
went three for ten from the line in the second game.
And that's a strategy that I think they're a little
too reliant on, quite obsessed with, I think. But anyway,
he's their seventh most important player, but their first six
are all healthy and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed as to what's going
to happen on Saturday afternoon. A lot of eyes from
New England will be on it. This is the most
win game. I don't think they can get back from
a three to zero.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
Deficode Well, no one has ever done it in basketball.
Teams have come back from three to zero to go
three to three, but no one's finished job. Celtics, you know,
against Miami almost they're one one of the teams that
came back from three. Oh, but you know they haven't
gone all the way. No, it's it's I think it's
safe to say it's the closest thing to a must
capital M game that that they're going to have. If
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they don't pull it out, it's going to be very dire.
Then they would really have to make history becoming the
first team in the NBA, uh to ever come back
from It's been done in hockey, but it has never
been done in basketball.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
What's your latest book?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
I'm working on a sequel with my friend and colleague
and Bill Chuck, on our book that we did on
my forty four years of score books. You know, I
do score every game I go to. That's a fact.
And and that's called in scoring position. Right, Yes, there's
a sequel. Yeah, oh yeah, there's a baseball book I'm
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and and so that's what we're working on.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
That book is so is the latest the one that's
the score book? That is? Is that book? Hope? When
you talk about a sequel, obviously the.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
First oh yeah, came out two years ago and uh,
and it's it's out there and you know, people can
find it in Amazon. I'm sure, and uh, we had
a lot of fun with that book. And it's it's
it's it's you know, the premise very is that hidden
in all all every box score and many box scores
or trivial pursuit and things of interest, historical items, oddities
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of all sorts of kind. And and the way it
works is that at the top of each chapter, each
game that's done is the representation of the scorebook page
from my book that that and then what that's what
we're focusing on. I then write about what it's all about,
what what is this? And then Bill, who's a historian
and a researcher and brilliant uh fleshes out this with
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tidbits about the people that you might not have known
or or or things that I didn't even see. And
uh and he's an excellent writer, and we we we've
formed a good partnership. And there's one hundred and forty
games accounted for this in my book, our book in
scoring position that go from the opening day of nineteen
seventy seven season, the year I covered the Celtics Red
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Sox full time, right up to the two years ago games.
And I do still seriously score every game at every
level did I go to?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
That's great in scoring position by Bob Ryan and you
and your co author again is who Bill Chuck?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Mister Bill Chuck, and he's an amazing researcher.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And when you have the sequel out, I would love
to have you come back on and let's let's spend
behind him.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Be very happy to I really would.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Love to do that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I know we missed the first one, but I want
to make a I want to make a make.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Good of this one.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Okay, you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Thanks Bob, Talk to you soon. So long. Got back
great Bob Ryan at the Boston Globe. We'll be back
on night Side and we'll finish up with a.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Gentleman who's a national leader in the recovery movement.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
This will be inspirational. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It's Night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Wrap it up to Night's eight o'clock hour with Adam
Vibe Dunton. He is a national leader in the recovery program. Adam,
first of all, welcome to night Side and congratulations. You're
an overdose survivor and founder of Recovered on Purpose and
Behavioral Health Partners. Tell us about your your experience.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yes, sir, thanks so much for having me welcome. Yeah,
seven and a half years ago, I was homeless and
a drug addict. I was one hundred and forty eight
pounds kicked out of a homeless shelter, so I was
super homeless. And now I'm two twenty but I work out,
so it's not all tubby.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But good, Where were you homeless? If I could ask, Adam,
what part.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Of the country Billings, Montana in the world.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a tough place to be homeless, my man.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, it was me and about nine other people
that were on the streets, living in an abandoned house
that didn't have electricity or running water, a trash can.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
What time of the year winter? Oh yeah, how did
you real? Quickly?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
How did you end up in that state of despair?
If I could ask? And then I want to talk
more about your recovery. But how does someone get that
down and out?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
On September twenty eight, two thousand and eight, I've been
out drinking and partying like most nights in my freshman
year of college, and I woke up to my phone
ringing and vibrating down by my leg at four forty
seven am. It was my best friend Chucker calling me,
and I remember having the conscious choice that I could
answer like I always did, like Hey, what's up, Chuck?
Or I could answer the way I was feeling with
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a hello, am I still drunk? In state? I chose
the latter, and he answered, Hey, what's up? Why are
you calling me this late? I was just calling to
say Hi, don't call me this late again. And I
hung out fun him and he shot himself. And for
nearly ten years, I was unable to share that phone
call with anyone, and I was bottling it down deeper
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and deeper with drugs and alcohol, and that that was
fueled my addiction. Before that, I was an all state
football player. I was a captain of our defense at
Columbine High School my senior year when we won state championship.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Captain high school in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Yes, sir, Wow were you there?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
If you would have been there after the shooting I saw,
or maybe before it?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
I was actually the first class that came in when
the freshmen that were there had graduated, So I was
the first class that no one was there.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Okay, so seven and a half years there must have
been a moment in time where you said enough of
this or something must have Who turned what turned your
life around?
Speaker 6 (33:49):
You know, I had so many of those moments. And
for anyone out there that's struggling and listening to this
right now, I know where you're at where you have
those moments where you were you are done with it,
you want to stop, and you just can't. And you know,
it happened so many times to me. And what what
really turned the tide for me was when I stopped
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trying to hold onto my plans so tightly. Because I
would schedule the meetings I was going to. I would
schedule the Bible study and the church and and the
mentors and all this stuff that were going to help
me get clean, and it was so tightly in my
grasp that I was unable to listen. I was unable
to hear the path that was going to take me.
And I had some pretty profound experiences with God. I
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met Jesus face to face when I was sitting at
ihop having breakfast, and you know, I believe that you're
able to get you know, freed and cured and healed
right away. But that didn't happen for me.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
For me was I'm I'm you know, a I happen
to be Catholic.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I was thrilled today to see an American pope picked
an American pict then, but I am, I mean, im
perfect Catholic. Okay, I've never had what you call a
face to face meeting with Jesus. I'm interested when you
say that. Were you sitting there and you thought, oh,
you felt you were talking to or he was talking
to you?
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Well, I went into it was like a trance. I
got this this text message on my phone and it
was from my dope dealer and he offered me a
free twenty. I had been cleaned for five days and
I was trying so hard, and when I got that
text message, I felt like something like took over my body.
And I texted him back and said it was in
like King James, who I was like, ye, shall not
text me again. Thou hast texted me for the last time.
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And then when the text message finished, I was reading
it and I showed it to my friend that was
sitting across me. I was like, dude, I didn't write that,
and then I pushed send. I put it in my
pocket and I looked back up and Jesus is sitting
across from me, the entire restaurant. I completely disappeared. There
was a glow coming from behind him. He was smiling,
and I immediately knew who it was, immediately knew what
was happening. Felt with my face to the table, put
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my hand up and I said, thank you God, Thank
you God. And I came back up. He was on
and I was back in the restaurant, and I haven't
used since.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
And these experiences actually aren't that rare. I was just
talking to somebody about this yesterday. But these experiences are
stigmatized a lot. These have been going on since before
the Big Book, since before the twelve step program.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Not going to be stigmatized by me. I want you
to know, Adam, Okay, yeah, amen.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
So I thank you for having the courage to express that.
Thank you for having the coverage to share that. How
can folks either get in touch with you or get
in touch with the programs that you're involved with. You
have the founder that Recovered on Purpose program and the
behavioral health partners. What's the best way people could reach out?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Yeah, Recovered on Purpose dot org. I have a lot
of free resources for people in recovery or trying to
get in recovery, a fifty state resource guide if you
have no insurance or are underinsured. And then Behavioral Health
Partners we help people that want to open treatment centers.
We're able to get your licensed, accredited, program development and
then marketing as well.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Adam Musalik an incredible individual. You've been You've been to
hell and back. I pray that you stay as strong
and as safe as you are, and you are doing
God's work in my opinion, and I just want to
say thank you, sir. I've got a lot of who
have walked the same path. They have been down and
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out and they able to get up and get out
of it. And I can't tell you how much I
admire those people. And one person is a pall of
mine who used to be the Mayor of Boston. He's
now the head of the NHL Players Association for my
boss to Mayor mort So we got there's a lot
of people who have waked your path, and you are
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the real deal. I can figure it out pretty easily,
and I just want to say thank you for for
what you've experienced and how you pull yourself out of it,
and anytime we can help you let us know.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Okay, I really appreciate that. Anyone listening, if you're struggling,
you're the next one.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Great message, Adam, Vibe Gunton, Adam, thank you so much.
We'll talk again. Okay, maybe I'll have you on some
night for an hour and we'll take fun. I may
we may well do that. Okay, thank you so.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Much, Adam, congratulating so much. Good night. Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
When we get back, we're going to talk about a
big moment, those of you who were lucky enough today
to see the white smoke come out of the chimney
and then see an American come out onto the balcony
as the first American pope. It was a moment in time.
I've watched other popes emerge, but this is one that
connected with me as an American and as a Catholic,
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but as an American. And we will be talking with
some experts, but most importantly I want to talk with you.
We'll be back on Night's side right after the nine
o'clock news
It's nice size. I'm telling you crazy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thanks, thank you, Madison appreciated on that game three.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We'll be in New York on Saturday afternoon, so I
will be able to watch that game like all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I don't have to do Nightside up. I guess that
a Celtics game. Good evening.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Everybody, welcome on in. My name is Dan Ray, host
of Nightside, heard every Monday through Friday night here in
WBZ Celtics game, Red Sox game, Brewers game whatever. I'll
suggest to you sports fans are turned the audio down
on the game, watch the game. You're all good sports fans,
and you can listen to Nightside. You can multitask, that's
(00:40):
no problem. My name is Dan Ray, and Rob is
off again tonight, but we're delighted to have Brew Brian
Butt with us again. And we will have Brian with
us tonight, his second night flying the plane for us here,
and everybody sit back and relax.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We're going to be just fine.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
We will be talking tucking later on this evening, beginning
at nine o'clock about the news story of the day,
and that is the election of the first American pope.
Pope Leo the fourteenth, formerly Cardinal Robert Privo of Chicago
and also Peru, and we'll kind of work through.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
We have a couple of guests lined up who can
talk about the process and his background. And it was stunning,
is the I think it's the two hundred and sixty
seventh pope in the history of the Catholic Church, first
from the United States, and of course we've only been
around two in and fifty years, so the first I
don't know, first two thousand, the first couple one hundred,
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two hundred and forty really don't count, but anyway, well
they do count for the church, but we did. We
weren't America then, so we could not have been competing.
But we have finally an American pope and those of
us you don't have to be a Catholic to be
happy about that. I think it's great and we'll talk
about that. We'll also talk about later on tonight, perhaps
Joe Biden and Joe Biden's appearance today on the View
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that was interesting. We have some interesting sound from that
as well. But first, we have four really interesting guests
in the first hour, as we always do, and we're
going to start it off tonight with doctor Joshlyn Witstein,
a board certified orthopedic surgeon and Associate professor of orthopedic
Surgery at Duke University School of Medicine. Duke is a
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great school buddy of mine who played basketball there many
many years ago and went on to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
A great NBA career, Jack Marin.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So I never went to Duke, never never been on
Duke's campus, but I feel a little closeness to Duke
University because of my friendship with Jack Marron. Doctor Witchstein,
welcome to night Side.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
How are you very good?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, you've had some other good basketball players along the way,
so yeah, they've got a few and a couple of
good coaches as well. One that plays in the Celtics
right now, and we'll talk about that later. May is
National Arthritis Awareness Month and also National Osteoporosis Awareness and
Prevention Month, And anyone who is on the wrong side
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of fifty, as I say, has an increased risk for
arthritis in or osteoporosis. So the first question is there
are a huge There has to be a huge difference
between these two. But I think some people, including me,
tend to use them interchangeably. Tell us if you could
in quick terms the distinctions between these two conditions.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, happy to I'm always you know, I think about
them as being very different, of course, but if you're
not a doctor or in the medical field, it's confusing.
So osteoporosis is specifically a definition of thinning of the
or loss of bone density. So it's you know, how
dense and how strong are your bones. Osteo Arthritis is
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how worn down or worn out are your joints. So
the wearing down of the cartilage, formation of bones, burrs
and the joints, and of course our bones and our
joints are connected, but these are very different processes that
do happen to both affect people often over the age
of fifty.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So what can those of us on the wrong side
of fifty, even those in the right side of fifty
but approaching fifty, what can they do to ward off
early onset of these conditions or even worse yet, them
really causing significant problems as we all age.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I think that it's easy to talk about prevention of osteoporosis.
That can be sort of a lifelong preventative measure, or
it could be something that you start working on even
if you've already developed some osteoporosis or loss of bone density.
The most important aspects of maintaining your bone density are
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participating in strength training programs, including resistance training like lifting weights.
Participating in a little bit of jumping something that causes
some impact on your bone stimulates bone density. And then
while we want you to build bone density, it's also
important to not fall, So it's important to work on
balance and a little bit of agility. So fall prevention,
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combined with making your bones more dense can help you
not break a bone as you get folder. It's a
little bit trickier to talk about how do we prevent earthritis,
because one in four adults will develop arthritis at some point.
But one of the most preventive things that people can
do to reduce the risk of developing arthritis is to
maintain a healthy body weight, because obesity is certainly associated
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with earthritis and progression of earthritis.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
What about drinking milk. I'm a big milk drinker, and
I always thought that drinking milk, even into our time
on the other side of fifty, on the wrong side
of fifty, helps with both of those conditions or is
that perhaps something that I was told when I was
young that no longer was true.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So milk is an excellent source of calcium. It's very
what we called bioavailable, meaning you can absorb it pretty easily.
And calcium is an important nutrient to get from your
diet for your bone density and your bone health. Calcium
isn't particularly helpful for your joint health. One thing that
we need to remember, though, is that when we're thinking
of foods that nourish your bones and help you maintain
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bone density, calcium is just one part of the picture,
and it doesn't all have to come from milk. It
can also come from vegetables, for instance.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Any particular vegetables across the board, because again I'm someone
who listens, and if it's all vegetables, that's great, But
if there's a couple.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah we should.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Those I think the best, right, the best ones to
focus on in terms of plant based sources of calcium
are what we call cruciferous vegetables, things like broccoli, cauliflower,
things like that. And then one that people often don't
think about that is a really good source of calcium
is backchoy. It has a very very available calcium content.
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So you can get as much calcium from one cup
of cooked box toy as you can from drinking one
cup of milk.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, so what about Okay, one of my favorite A
couple of my favorite vegetables.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I love.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Leafy vegetables, but I also love beets and tomatoes.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Those are good for your joints, they.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Are Okay, Well, that's fine cover that. I don't know
why I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Not Russian or is my family Russian base, but I
feel that somewhere in my background some one of my
predecessors ancestors must have eaten a lot of borsh or something.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Whatever beats are.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
In of diet is so so important as we get older,
and and it's it's great that folks like yourself are
willing to talk with us about these issues because a
lot of us. You know, here's one that I love.
And you're gonna laugh at me when I say this.
As a kid, I used to watch Popeye the Sailor, So.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I actually linach, Spinach? Is that is that a good one?
Who is that over sold by Popeye the Sailor?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, Well, I have a little bit of disappointing news
for you. Spinach is really not a good source of
calcium because it does have a lot of calcium in it,
it just has some other things in it called oxalates
that make the calcium a bit hard to absorb. So,
you know, spinach is good for many things in terms
of you know, you get some fiber, you get some
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other vitamins and minerals that are are good for you.
It has some you know, antioxidants in it that are
anti inflammatory. But in terms of calcium, it's actually not
a good source of calcium, so that it is a
little bit over sold.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
In that way.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I'm one of the few people when they when they
offer you a vegetable at a restaurant, I'll see it
can't have a side of spinach, And a lot of
times the waiters and waitresses look at me like, really, I.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Also love spin itch, you know, saud tied with garlic
or whatever, and I eat spine. It's not that I
don't eat it, it's just that it shouldn't be your
source of calcium. And if you're trying to utilize something
else in your diet as a source of calcium, you
also don't really want to pair it with the spinach
because it's going to reduce the amount of calcium that
you absorb.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You know, there's a lot of thought that has to
go into our diets if we're really going to do effectively.
Doctor I really enjoyed our conversation. Go Blue Devils, Doctor
jos Jocelyn Witstein, thank you so much for joining us.
Many people who come on our program have books, and
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you have one called The Complete Bone and Joint Health
Plan Help Prevent and Treat Osteoporosis and Arthritis.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How can people get that book?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, you can find it on Amazon or on Barnes
and Nobles online anywhere that you purchase your books. It's
in bookstores and basically it's a guide for you to
optimize your bone and joint health, including understanding anti inflammatory
and bone health, diet choice, with recipes and exercises to
help you optimize all those things.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, we have a good audience, a lot of them
are very much concerned about aging and being in shape
throughout their entire life. So I think that probably there's
a few folks who have written that down and if
for those who didn't, the Complete Bone en Joint Health
Plan written by the way with a colleague doctor not
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a doctor, or is he Sydney is a doctor Sydney.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
She's a registered dietician, so I'm an rithspeak surgeon and
she's a registered dietician.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Perfect okay. And the book The Complete Bone and Joint
Health Plan help prevent and treat osteoporosis and arthritis. Thanks
very much, doctor Winstein with Stein Witstein, I appreciate it
very much.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Thank you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
All right, bye, talk again.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Coming back, We're going to talk with the only female
sheriff in the commwalth of Massachusetts, Sheriff Donna Buckley, the
sheriff of Barnstable County. She's the only female, the only
mother and the only grandmother sheriff. So if you get
arrested in Barnstable County, you're probably gonna get a chance
to enjoy the accommodations that Sheriff Buckley provides. We'll talk
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with her about We're gonna highlight females and corrections and
tackling safety on Cape Cod this summer. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well tonight we're highlighting and we have been highing this month. Actually,
Sheriff's from around the Commonwealth. But we're highlighting females tonight
in corrections and tackling safety on Cape Cod this summer.
No one was better qualified for that than Sheriff Donna Buckley.
She's one of fourteen county sheriffs here in Massachusetts, the
only female, the only mom, the only grandmother sheriff elected
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in Massachusetts. Welcome Sheriff Buckley. How are you this evening?
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I'm great, Dan, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I think everybody knows Barnstable County is down there on
the Cape, But how many communities do you represent down there?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
We have fifteen towns stretching all the way from woodsholl
and Falmouth to Provincetown.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Now you're a lawyer by education Suffolk University Law School.
How did you end up as a sheriff? I mean
not too many people wake up Sunday and say I
want to become a sheriff. I mean is It's a
great position, don't get me wrong, but it's not one
that most people gravitate towards. How did you end up,
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and particularly as the first female, a female sheriff in
the history of Barnstable County. I guess it's three hundred
and thirty three years old, so it's about time.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
You know. It was not on my bucket list, Dan,
I you know, I had an opportunity in twenty eighteen
to go to work at the Sheriff's Office as general counsel,
and when it came time for the election, I saw
an opportunity to have a really important in conversation with
the people in Barnstable County about what direction our Sheriff's
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Office should take. And with the prevalence of addiction and
mental health challenges in our criminal justice system, I heard
loud and clear from the voters in Barnstable County that
they believe what will make them safer is if we
provide treatment and opportunities for people to move forward with
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support so that they do not become a recidivism statistic.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
No, I think that's praise worthy, laudatory and all of that.
But the other side of the coin is that you've
got some you've got some tough cases down there. You've had,
not necessarily during your term, but there was a police
officer shot and killed a few years ago as they
were trying to roast a guy out of an attic.
(13:56):
I'm sure you're familiar with more familiar with that case
than I am. But there's just some horrific crimes that
seem to occur in the Cape of drug and alcohol use. Uh,
the Cape is not immune from that. We've got a
lot of bad stuff going on. How do you balance that?
I mean, obviously you've got you've got to incarcerate people
(14:17):
and you've got to hope you can rehability rehabilitate them.
At the same time, not everybody is looking who's incarcerated,
it looks wants to be necessarily rehabilitated.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's going to be a tough situation to find yourself in.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
You know what, You're right on, You're right on there.
I mean, there are some horrific, horrific crimes on the Cape.
We are not immune. In fact, sometimes it makes it
more difficult for us to get the resources that we
need to address the addiction and mental health, our homelessness, fuel,
food and security, and transportation challenges that we have on
(14:49):
the Cape because we are this tourist community. But as
as sheriff, if we can't that one person on a
path where they're not going to come back, where they're
going to be able to move on and have a
productive life and be a contribute to our community. That's
(15:13):
a success. And no, not everyone is going to be rehabilitated.
Not everyone is, but not everyone is the typical criminal
that you know we used to think about twenty years ago.
The prevalence of addiction and mental health challenges have changed
(15:33):
the nature of who ends up in jails.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How much fanadol are you seeing down the cape?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Our share? We're seeing our share. You know, it's not
talked about like it's talked about in urban communities, but
we're seeing our share. You know, I've heard that in fact,
we are sort of a prime place to sell to
sell drugs because of the tourist nature of our community.
(16:03):
So we are vigilant. Our Sheriff's Office in Barnstable County
not only does our jail, but we support all fifteen
local police departments through our Regional Law Enforcement Council to
make sure that we can do the very best to
address the drugs issue, to make sure that our community
(16:25):
is safe.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Later on on this hour, we're going to be talking
with a national leader in the recovery movement, And like you,
I stand in admiration for anyone who's able to overcome
an addiction. I think of my good friend, and I'm
sure of someone you know very well, a mayor, former
Boston mayor, Martie Walsh, you know, who beat addiction and
(16:48):
has gone on to do great service for Boston and
also for the NHL Players Association.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So you have to stand in awe of those people.
I just.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I just want you to know on behalf of people
on the Cape that they appreciate whatever you can do
and whatever your office can do to help keep them
and their family safe, because unfortunately, so much crime occurs
even on the Cape.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I read about it all the time. In a part
of the state where you would.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Think of only as a good time is being had
by all, you know, summertime, spring fall and all of that,
and even during the winter, but that crime is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So please continue the fight.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Let me you know.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Sometimes, you know, we have these conversations and there are
some people who sort of look at this as a
soft on crime, you know when you talk about rehabilitation
and treatment. But I come from it to it from
a different perspective. When you think about someone who is
dealing with addiction and it is committing crimes to feed
(17:55):
that addiction, what is more unsafe. Lock that person up,
do nothing with them, let them do their time, and
then put them back on the streets in a worse
position than when they came in. Or to try to
address the root cause of why they're committing crimes, to
try to address and put them on a path where
(18:17):
they can experience the power of recovery if they so choose,
give them the support. So it's not a soft on crime.
People need to be held accountable. No one wants to
be the victim of a crime. And making sure that
we do the work while people are incarcerated. Statistics show
(18:38):
that that is more likely to create a safer community
than simply looking at this person committed a crime, lock
them up, I don't want to see them again.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Every person you can take off and convince them to
get off the crime treadmill is a huge victory.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It's a huge victory. So my hat's off to you
for any of that effort.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I simply am saying that that those of us who
spend any time in the Cape, we want to spend
it in a in a community where we can enjoy
ourselves and enjoy our family safe, safely. And I was
actually saying thank you for the work that you do,
and thanks to the police officers who put their lives
in the line every day for fellow residents and visitors
(19:28):
to Cape call it. So please take that nothing as
nothing more than a compliment for the work you do.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Okay, absolutely, And actually I I I hear you. It's
it's sometimes you know other people that are listening, because
I hear it a lot, you know, I hear that
they look sort of in this this one school or
the other. And my goal in running for sheriff, primary
goal is public safety.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That's that's got to be the primary goal. And if
and again there's there's a couple of ways to approach it.
And I congratulate you on your job, and I congratulate
you on breaking the glass ceiling, if you will, the
barriers for women and law enforcement. I have a sister
in law who's a former state police officer, so I
stand at admirate wow one who works in the interest
(20:17):
of public safety. Sheriff Buckley. Sheriff Donna Buckley, thanks so
much for your time. I really do appreciate it. Thank
you for what you do.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Thank you very much. Dan.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
You're welcome when we come back We're going to talk
about a tough subject, the Celtics Knick series with Bob
Ryan and the Boston Globe. Nobody has watched more playoff
games than basketball NBA playoff games than Bob Ryan. Will
find out what Bob thinks about what has gone down
the last couple of games here in Boston, and they're
(20:44):
on their way to New York this weekend. Back on
Night Side, right after the News at the bottom of
the hour.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
All Right, basketball fans, buckle up Game three three Saturday
at MSG with us is a guy who, as far
as I'm concerned, has probably watched more NBA playoff games
than anyone in history. Bob, who, more than you has
watched NBA NBA playoff games going back through your career.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
When you think.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
About oh, I'm sure there's some people, but I do
think locally, I was thinking about this today. I may
be the only one around who's still active, at least
mildly active, who goes back to the sixties.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But no, but the only what I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Saying, think about it, how many how many teams during
your career have had anywhere close to the number of
playoff games that the that the Celtics have played in.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And I really mean that.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Yeah, I know the Celtics. Yeah, oh no, I go back.
My first game I attended was as a student at
Boston College nineteen sixty six, Game seventh, Red Hourbacks final game,
and the first game I covered was the game five
as a playoff Game five in nineteen seventy the Knicks
and the Lakers. And by the way, today is the
(22:04):
fifty fifth anniversary of the Knicks winning their first championship
in nineteen seventy. May eight, nineteen seventy, a Friday night,
they defeated the Lakers in Game seven in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So I do go.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
I was there. I covered games five and seven that year.
I've got some good experience, It's true.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So okay, so what are you seeing? We must not
forget that the Celtics have lost two home court games
by a grand total of four points, three and one.
Celtics normally don't lose games that close.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Well, this group has certainly earned our faith and respect,
and it's not what people were expecting. This is definitely
the Knicks didn't get the script apparently that they were
issued in and they were in proversational theater now. But anyway,
the Celtics, this is surprising, of course the people. But
(22:57):
I think there's so there's a few things on one
is this whole issue number one topic A. Are the
Celtics two relentlessly dependent on the three point shot? And
if so, when are they going to start having a
Plan B. That's the number one topic that people are
batting around with regard to this state of affairs that
they find themselves in. They have taken one hundred three
(23:18):
point shots in the last two games. It had made
twenty five of them. That's a woeful percentage and it's
far below their norm. So is there going to be
some evening out theory now when they get to New
York on the Saturday afternoon till Mozilla appears to feel
that way. Yesterday morning, on the morning of Game two,
I caught the end of an interview, well not the
(23:39):
whole thing, but at the end of an interview and
when he was giving an answer, and the question had
to have been about this idea of what you need
to go to Plan B more often, and he said,
we are getting good looks and we usually make them,
and he's confident that they will make them. Well that night.
Last night they did not make them. And now two
games in a row in which they did not make them,
they weren't normal cells. Well, it's just correctible. Yes, I'll
(24:04):
tell you what I'm more concerned about. I'm more concerned
about health. I want to know what's going on with
Christaps Persingis was my next question, by the way, Yeah, no,
In general terms, health is the most important factor as
you enter the playoffs. I would wouldn't mind playing seven
road games if you told me my team is healthy
and my key players are all ready to go. Well,
(24:25):
that's not the case. Now we know that for Zingis
has been ill and he's still not recovered. He said
that publicly. We know that Brown has been dealing with
a knee. We suspect strongly that Tatum has a risk
issue that that he's been dealing with. And then you know,
is not me mentioning at the present time. And we
also know that Drew Holiday missed games at the end
of the in the last series, and that he's not
(24:46):
one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Either and Houses out too right.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And Howser's out completely, and he said, you know he's
in the mix. He's an important three point shooter. He's
had a good year for them. He's he's he's matured,
he's gotten, and he's he's a piece of the puzzle.
So well, that's all going on, and that's why I
have personally lowered my level of expectation. I can live
with that. I understand that. To me. Historically, Dan, that
is the number one variable in playoffs historically is health
(25:13):
and and you've got to have it. You go back
to nineteen fifty eight, so they were one of the
two years that Bill Russell didn't win. You know why
they didn't win that year when they were clearly the
better team. He was hurt and I actually missed the
game or two in that finals and was never himself.
So it's it's a it's a constant. It never goes away.
Look right now with the Cleveland Cavaliers, who by the way,
(25:34):
along with the Celtics, have lost their first two games
at home. What a game two against Indiana, they were
missing three of their first six players. So that that's
that's what. That just tells you what you need to know.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Okay, So here's my here's my question going into New York.
In football, we always think that the home team the
home field advantage in football. Most people think of it
as a six point advantage. Then you know if it's
if it's a six point spread, you say, well, through
pretty even teams and the home team's a six point
favorite because they had the home team advantage. Home field
(26:12):
advantage football is different than basketball. Is there a home
court advantage in basketball? In your opinion?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
There was the times. I think there's no question there
was a certain left. For example, the nineteen eighty five
eighty six Celtics were forty and one at home, thirty
seven of them in the Garden and three of them
at Hartford US one game all year at home. Now
this team is a very different beast. This team played
better statistically and performing better on the road than it
(26:40):
did at home. This team established one of the great
road records in the history of the NBA, thirty three
and eight on the road and the best in the
franchise history. And now they're going to New York. So
how much of this is going to translate into playoffs?
Do you have to remember? Players for different matter, just
different dynamics completely, But they have that to rely on.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I guess you know how healthy are the knick spot.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
They are they go. They have one guy that they
didn't have in the last series, Mitchell Robinson, their backup center,
who's a no offensive threat except for the lob but
he's a very good defender and it's a good shot blocker,
and they did not have him, but they have him now.
They have him now. You know, he's the terrible free
throw shooter. And the Celtics played hacker Mitchell to put
(27:24):
him on the line in the first game, and he
went three for ten from the line in the second game.
And that's a strategy that I think they're a little
too reliant on, quite obsessed with, I think. But anyway,
he's their seventh most important player, but their first six
are all healthy and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed as to what's going
to happen on Saturday afternoon. A lot of eyes from
New England will be on it. This is the most
win game. I don't think they can get back from
a three to zero.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
Deficode Well, no one has ever done it in basketball.
Teams have come back from three to zero to go
three to three, but no one's finished job. Celtics, you know,
against Miami almost they're one one of the teams that
came back from three. Oh, but you know they haven't
gone all the way. No, it's it's I think it's
safe to say it's the closest thing to a must
capital M game that that they're going to have. If
(28:15):
they don't pull it out, it's going to be very dire.
Then they would really have to make history becoming the
first team in the NBA, uh to ever come back
from It's been done in hockey, but it has never
been done in basketball.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
What's your latest book?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
I'm working on a sequel with my friend and colleague
and Bill Chuck, on our book that we did on
my forty four years of score books. You know, I
do score every game I go to. That's a fact.
And and that's called in scoring position. Right, Yes, there's
a sequel. Yeah, oh yeah, there's a baseball book I'm
(28:51):
and and so that's what we're working on.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
That book is so is the latest the one that's
the score book? That is? Is that book? Hope? When
you talk about a sequel, obviously the.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
First oh yeah, came out two years ago and uh,
and it's it's out there and you know, people can
find it in Amazon. I'm sure, and uh, we had
a lot of fun with that book. And it's it's
it's it's you know, the premise very is that hidden
in all all every box score and many box scores
or trivial pursuit and things of interest, historical items, oddities
(29:25):
of all sorts of kind. And and the way it
works is that at the top of each chapter, each
game that's done is the representation of the scorebook page
from my book that that and then what that's what
we're focusing on. I then write about what it's all about,
what what is this? And then Bill, who's a historian
and a researcher and brilliant uh fleshes out this with
(29:47):
tidbits about the people that you might not have known
or or or things that I didn't even see. And
uh and he's an excellent writer, and we we we've
formed a good partnership. And there's one hundred and forty
games accounted for this in my book, our book in
scoring position that go from the opening day of nineteen
seventy seven season, the year I covered the Celtics Red
(30:10):
Sox full time, right up to the two years ago games.
And I do still seriously score every game at every
level did I go to?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
That's great in scoring position by Bob Ryan and you
and your co author again is who Bill Chuck?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Mister Bill Chuck, and he's an amazing researcher.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And when you have the sequel out, I would love
to have you come back on and let's let's spend
behind him.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Be very happy to I really would.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Love to do that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I know we missed the first one, but I want
to make a I want to make a make.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Good of this one.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Okay, you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Thanks Bob, Talk to you soon. So long. Got back
great Bob Ryan at the Boston Globe. We'll be back
on night Side and we'll finish up with a.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Gentleman who's a national leader in the recovery movement.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
This will be inspirational. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It's Night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Wrap it up to Night's eight o'clock hour with Adam
Vibe Dunton. He is a national leader in the recovery program. Adam,
first of all, welcome to night Side and congratulations. You're
an overdose survivor and founder of Recovered on Purpose and
Behavioral Health Partners. Tell us about your your experience.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yes, sir, thanks so much for having me welcome. Yeah,
seven and a half years ago, I was homeless and
a drug addict. I was one hundred and forty eight
pounds kicked out of a homeless shelter, so I was
super homeless. And now I'm two twenty but I work out,
so it's not all tubby.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But good, Where were you homeless? If I could ask, Adam,
what part.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Of the country Billings, Montana in the world.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a tough place to be homeless, my man.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, it was me and about nine other people
that were on the streets, living in an abandoned house
that didn't have electricity or running water, a trash can.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
What time of the year winter? Oh yeah, how did
you real? Quickly?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
How did you end up in that state of despair?
If I could ask? And then I want to talk
more about your recovery. But how does someone get that
down and out?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
On September twenty eight, two thousand and eight, I've been
out drinking and partying like most nights in my freshman
year of college, and I woke up to my phone
ringing and vibrating down by my leg at four forty
seven am. It was my best friend Chucker calling me,
and I remember having the conscious choice that I could
answer like I always did, like Hey, what's up, Chuck?
Or I could answer the way I was feeling with
(32:46):
a hello, am I still drunk? In state? I chose
the latter, and he answered, Hey, what's up? Why are
you calling me this late? I was just calling to
say Hi, don't call me this late again. And I
hung out fun him and he shot himself. And for
nearly ten years, I was unable to share that phone
call with anyone, and I was bottling it down deeper
(33:08):
and deeper with drugs and alcohol, and that that was
fueled my addiction. Before that, I was an all state
football player. I was a captain of our defense at
Columbine High School my senior year when we won state championship.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Captain high school in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Yes, sir, Wow were you there?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
If you would have been there after the shooting I saw,
or maybe before it?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
I was actually the first class that came in when
the freshmen that were there had graduated, So I was
the first class that no one was there.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Okay, so seven and a half years there must have
been a moment in time where you said enough of
this or something must have Who turned what turned your
life around?
Speaker 6 (33:49):
You know, I had so many of those moments. And
for anyone out there that's struggling and listening to this
right now, I know where you're at where you have
those moments where you were you are done with it,
you want to stop, and you just can't. And you know,
it happened so many times to me. And what what
really turned the tide for me was when I stopped
(34:10):
trying to hold onto my plans so tightly. Because I
would schedule the meetings I was going to. I would
schedule the Bible study and the church and and the
mentors and all this stuff that were going to help
me get clean, and it was so tightly in my
grasp that I was unable to listen. I was unable
to hear the path that was going to take me.
And I had some pretty profound experiences with God. I
(34:33):
met Jesus face to face when I was sitting at
ihop having breakfast, and you know, I believe that you're
able to get you know, freed and cured and healed
right away. But that didn't happen for me.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
For me was I'm I'm you know, a I happen
to be Catholic.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I was thrilled today to see an American pope picked
an American pict then, but I am, I mean, im
perfect Catholic. Okay, I've never had what you call a
face to face meeting with Jesus. I'm interested when you
say that. Were you sitting there and you thought, oh,
you felt you were talking to or he was talking
to you?
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Well, I went into it was like a trance. I
got this this text message on my phone and it
was from my dope dealer and he offered me a
free twenty. I had been cleaned for five days and
I was trying so hard, and when I got that
text message, I felt like something like took over my body.
And I texted him back and said it was in
like King James, who I was like, ye, shall not
text me again. Thou hast texted me for the last time.
(35:35):
And then when the text message finished, I was reading
it and I showed it to my friend that was
sitting across me. I was like, dude, I didn't write that,
and then I pushed send. I put it in my
pocket and I looked back up and Jesus is sitting
across from me, the entire restaurant. I completely disappeared. There
was a glow coming from behind him. He was smiling,
and I immediately knew who it was, immediately knew what
was happening. Felt with my face to the table, put
(35:57):
my hand up and I said, thank you God, Thank
you God. And I came back up. He was on
and I was back in the restaurant, and I haven't
used since.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
And these experiences actually aren't that rare. I was just
talking to somebody about this yesterday. But these experiences are
stigmatized a lot. These have been going on since before
the Big Book, since before the twelve step program.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Not going to be stigmatized by me. I want you
to know, Adam, Okay, yeah, amen.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
So I thank you for having the courage to express that.
Thank you for having the coverage to share that. How
can folks either get in touch with you or get
in touch with the programs that you're involved with. You
have the founder that Recovered on Purpose program and the
behavioral health partners. What's the best way people could reach out?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Yeah, Recovered on Purpose dot org. I have a lot
of free resources for people in recovery or trying to
get in recovery, a fifty state resource guide if you
have no insurance or are underinsured. And then Behavioral Health
Partners we help people that want to open treatment centers.
We're able to get your licensed, accredited, program development and
then marketing as well.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Adam Musalik an incredible individual. You've been You've been to
hell and back. I pray that you stay as strong
and as safe as you are, and you are doing
God's work in my opinion, and I just want to
say thank you, sir. I've got a lot of who
have walked the same path. They have been down and
(37:26):
out and they able to get up and get out
of it. And I can't tell you how much I
admire those people. And one person is a pall of
mine who used to be the Mayor of Boston. He's
now the head of the NHL Players Association for my
boss to Mayor mort So we got there's a lot
of people who have waked your path, and you are
(37:46):
the real deal. I can figure it out pretty easily,
and I just want to say thank you for for
what you've experienced and how you pull yourself out of it,
and anytime we can help you let us know.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Okay, I really appreciate that. Anyone listening, if you're struggling,
you're the next one.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Great message, Adam, Vibe Gunton, Adam, thank you so much.
We'll talk again. Okay, maybe I'll have you on some
night for an hour and we'll take fun. I may
we may well do that. Okay, thank you so.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Much, Adam, congratulating so much. Good night. Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
When we get back, we're going to talk about a
big moment, those of you who were lucky enough today
to see the white smoke come out of the chimney
and then see an American come out onto the balcony
as the first American pope. It was a moment in time.
I've watched other popes emerge, but this is one that
connected with me as an American and as a Catholic,
(38:43):
but as an American. And we will be talking with
some experts, but most importantly I want to talk with you.
We'll be back on Night's side right after the nine
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