June 2, 2025 • 40 mins
In a surprise drone attack on airfields across Russia, Ukraine destroyed and or severely damaged nearly a third of Moscow’s strategic bomber fleet. This strategic attack completely upends Russia’s military strategy. How does this latest attack change the dynamic of the war? Will the Trump Admin. walk away from this war or get more involved with putting an end to it?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Radio, Welcome back, everybody. Thank you Dan Watkins. As we
move into our eleventh and fourth hour here on a
Monday night, a friend of mine calls Monday Moon to Day,
m a n day and yeah, gotta wake up people.
We got some good topics tonight. I'd like you to
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rise to the occasion. We have not talked about Ukraine
here on Nightside in quite a while in any depth.
And I must tell you that part of the reason
we have not talked about it it has really not
been in the news. The on again, off again peace
talks have sputtered and stammered and stuttered and gone nowhere.
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It is clear to me that Putin is playing a
delaying game here and hopes to deliver a knockout blow
at some point to Lensky. The Ukrainian forces have withstood
everything the Russians have been able to throw at them
short of a nuclear weapon, and hopefully nobody engages in
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that sort of tom foolery. But I think we have
reached a very critical point over the weekend. And if
you haven't seen this story, I am I'm going to
explain it. Ukraine did something incredibly creative this weekend, and
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it has been compared to today. I heard someone compare
it to the work that Israel had done with the
exploding cell phones and the exploding radios that had been
distributed to Hesbela operatives in Lebanon earlier. I think it
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was either late last year or early this year. They
were designed to explode literally in the pockets of the
Hesbola operatives and a lot of the leadership, certainly the
second level leadership of Hesbola was destroyed by a brilliant
Israeli attack, which I mean, it's one of those things
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that the Israelis know how to outthink their opponents. Well,
the Ukrainians over this weekend had put into place now
paraphrasing or reading from a New York Times article, which
will I think be in the Times tomorrow morning, Ukraine
hit attack drones in Russia. These videos show what happened.
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I saw a couple of the videos tonight on the
ABC World News Tonight. For months, even as forces were
losing ground on the battlefield at home, the Ukrainian military
was planning a stunning assault deep in Russian soil. So
on Sunday, remotely operated Ukrainian drones emerged from hiding inside
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Russia and began wreaking damage. When they were done, at
least a dozen military aircraft lay in ruins. I think
it's more than a dozen. I think the Time is
underestimating that. An analysis of videos and satellite imagery by
The New York Times shows the extent of the attack.
What apparently happened was these drones were hidden inside of trucks,
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and the trucks appeared to be transporting housing supplies, even
modular homes, and somehow someway the top of the trucks
recoiled and the drones were timed, and they were within
a few miles of Russian airfields, and the drones took
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off and an a coordinated attack hit at least maybe
as many as eight Russian airfields. Strategic bombers. These were
bombers that could carry nuclear weapons. At at least two airfields.
I don't know the names of these airfields, but I'll
read them to you. Balaya and Olinya were destroyed. Total
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Ukraine targeted bases in five regions, according to Russia's Ministry
of Defense, which set attacks on three other locations, had
been repelled. Oh yes, if you believe that. Fine. The
Times was not able to verify those claims, but satellite
imagery captured on Monday, meaning today, indicates that no aircraft
were damaged. As two of the other bases likely targeted,
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No clear satellite imagery footage existed for the third base,
but a video shared widely online and verified by the
Time shows a recording of the software responsible for piloting
the Ukrainians drones as their assault on the Yaya Balaya
airbase began. This online footage captures a dron's view as
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it flies over the base toward a line of at
least six aircraft before descending toward a tupe Lev two
ninety five bomber and I believe that's one of the
bombers that can carry nuclear weapons. Shortly after, a video
shows two drones launched from containers that appear to be
disguised as modula holmes. Mounted on the back of a
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nearby semi truck. They fly towards smoke plumes billowing from
the base less than four miles away. This is amazing video.
They have literally rendered a body blow to the Russian
military in the Russian Air Force, which is significant. Now
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I have no idea how Putin's going to respond. I
have no idea if he's absolutely nuts. This is in
the body there to assess the damage at the airbase,
The Times obtained radar imagery from a space imaging company
Umbra that can see through cloudy sky. Seven strategic bombers
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appear to be completely destroyed, very likely four Tu two
m that means nothing to me, and three tu tu
ninety five bombers also visible in the drone footage. A
geo A Geospatial Analysts published the same findings previously that
confirmed damage at Belaya signals a blow to Russia's campaign
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of using long range bombers to target Ukraine. So what
Ukraine struck at with the very basis that we're bombing
and sending missiles and ordinance into Ukraine. So I think
it's great. And the Ukraine, which has turned out to
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be a feisty opponent for Russia, and Russia has now
had to bring in Chinese strons, Iranian drones, North Korean
foot soldiers. So here's my point. I'm getting excited. Here
here's my point. It is now time for Donald Trump,
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in my opinion, has to walk a little bit of
a fine line. We don't want nuclear war. But I
think he has to say to Putin. He has to
be a good cop in the back cop, and he
has to say to Putin, look, you got to trust me.
This is a losing battle for you. This is eventually
going to potentially cause your people to rise up in
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your own leadership could be a jeopardy. You've picked a
bad fight with Zelenski and his opponents. I know you
don't like them. I know you would hope to accomplish
much more. But at this time, it's time for you
to cut your losses. And if you don't cut your losses,
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I'm going to impose greater and maybe even crippling sanctions.
So I think Trump has to play both the good
cop and the bad cop. He can't do good cop
or bad cop only one. He has to play both.
And he has to convince Putin. And if he's able
to do this, okay, hats off to him. He has
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to convince Putin that it's in his country's best interest
to end the war, to come to a ceasefire, to
reassess where they are, what their losses are. In my opinion,
whether Trump will do that, I don't know. I don't know.
I do not believe that Trump is a toty of Putin's.
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I don't believe that. Okay, I know some of you
believe that. If you believe that, that's fine. But now
is the time for Trump to apply pressure on Putin,
pressure economic pressure, which will force Putin to sit down
and sue for an end to the hostilities. I think
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it is imperative, and I think this is the time
that it has to happen. Now, you can tell me
I'm crazy. I don't care. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I would hope, I would hope that there are conversations
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underway even tonight, while these wounds are fresh in Russia,
that it is time for them to end this war,
just as they had to finally withdraw from Afghanistan. The
analogy will not be lost on Putin. Join the conversation.
Only one line open in six one, seven, nine, ten thirty.
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Let's get it going, coming back on Nightside right after
this quick break.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, let's go to the phones. Gonna start it off
with Bob and Rhode Island. Bob, you were next on Nightside. Welcome, Hello, Dan, Hey, Bob.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Uh didn't Trump say that when he ran against Harris
that he was going to stop the Ukraine War and
Russia War the first day he was in office?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yep. Pop Political candidates, you correct. Political candidates say a
lot of things. Absolutely, when Lyndon Johnson, I thought he
was a little can I finish? Can I finish a comment? Bob?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I meant, all right, I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Not going to cut you off. You don't have to apologize.
I remember Lyndon Johnson in nineteen sixty four, when he's
running against Barry Goldwater said I'm not going to send
American boys to fight a war that the Vietnamese boys
should be fighting. These politics, I should say a lot
of stuff. You're right, you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I thought it was a wheel of deal at Trump
making the hot of a deal. I don't think the
war stopped yet. It's June second, almost June third. Wonderd
he get get in office January twentieth.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's when that's what he was inaugurated. You're correct on
all of those points. It is indeed June second, it's
almost January third. You're correct.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So Trump is just as much of bs honist as anybody,
maybe more so. Well, I hope, I hope the war ends. Yeah,
I know, well.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I do too, And let's see what happens. I was
I wanted to to get people to focus on what
Ukraine accomplished this weekend, which was brilliant. Did you get
a chance to see any of that.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, I just heard you're talking about it. I'm happy
about that. Yeah, I am sorry, he said, he said.
Trump says, I'm I'm sorry about all them five thousand
people the troops in a week or whatever it is
that are being killed. Well, it's five months later, and
as I read, I won't say it again, I don't
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see any results from Trump yet.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, sometimes results take a little longer. Do I think
that he thought that somehow, someway he had a magic formula.
I don't know. That's what he said. The war has
gone on. I never believed. I'm an intelligent person and
you're an intelligent person. I don't think that unless literally
he had putin in his back pocket that it's going
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to end. But that's okay. I want to see what
happens in the next few weeks or maybe even in
the next few days. I'd like to see some US
put on Russia. Was time to put pressure on.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Him, Yeah, whatever it takes. I don't get I don't
like I don't like Putin. I do like Zuwinski, and
I hope Zolenski and the Ukraine wins out in this deal.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
No. I mean, obviously Russia started the war. Russia Mount,
you know, mass the troupe, There's no question about that.
And it started not when Trump was in the White House.
It started when Biden was in the White House.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And here we go, here we go Biden again.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
No, but I'm just you would you cited some facts
to me that I that I agreed with you on.
You told me that Trump was inaugurated on January twentieth,
which is true, and today's June second, it's almost June third,
which is true. I just am giving you some context
that the war started. Well, Biden, remember I remember talking
about the Russian troops massing on the border, and Biden
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was saying I told him, don't don't. Well Putin didn't
listen to him. That's all.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's all Trump any Is Trump any tougher than Biden?
I don't think so. It was five months after get inaugurated.
I don't see any results.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
How much landed Putin when Trump was in the White House?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
God, none, none, Okay, all right, So you think Putin's
scared of Trump.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I don't. I think Putin probably figures Trump is a
is a wild card, and I think.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
The police wildcod all right, is a maniac.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, Well, that's fine, that's a good analysis. I didn't
realize you had a psychological degree. But Bob, your point
of view is always welcome here. I hope you know that.
And I appreciate you getting in.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I appreciate it. I appreciate you to let me on
the air. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Your gentlemen, thank you very much. Let me go to
Jack and Newton. Hey, Jack, welcome back, Jack.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Hi Jack Porter. Well, as you know, IM a Ukrainian
woman and I have a I have a stepdaughter and
the grandchildren, and yourkra This.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is personal to you. I know that. Jack, absolutely love
to know. I thought what happened over the weekend was
was really great.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, I don't know about that. I you can't, you
can't cannot defeat Russia militarily. Russia could defeat. Ukraine could
destroy Ukraine if it wants to with many, many bombs.
So and I think it, you know, puts Ukraine, puts
dominating in great danger. But you pointed out a lot
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of things that could be done. Whether it will be done,
But the biggest thing is when you have two people
that have called zero some game. You know, Ukraine doesn't
want to give up Crimea and the NMS and Russia
wants it so.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Well Russia, Russia already has Crimea, they've had Crimea.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Ukraine. But I just think you're not When you have
that kind of conflict with one wanting this and the
other one wanting that, and there's no means to discuss
anything in between, then you know you'll have continual war.
And I think Trump recognizes that and he'll probably walk
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away because he doesn't always listening to him. So I
don't know. I don't know if there's a solution.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm not convinced it's a solution either. But I'll tell
you this, in my opinion, Ukraine did the right thing
this weekend. They took out some very significant parts of
the Russian Air Force and it's it was good for
Ukraine and it was good for the world.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Now I would disagree. You can't destroy Russia. The south
military powers in the world. You know, they destroy a
few plays. If Russia wants to drop the bounds and
destroy you think it could do so. It could have happened.
So and that's what I really worry about. I worry
about the new to your right, Well, here's the thing, if.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Jack, Jack, I do anything, I don't. I have kids,
I have grand kids. I worry about the nuclear situation
as well. But but but my question to you is
what is the alternative? Is the alternative to watch Russia
just pound this this small country into into oblivion? Is
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that the answer?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
No, No, that they're not pounding into either into oblivion.
Now there is there's no military solution to this thing.
It has to be diplomatic.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
But show there's a military solution. Russia could go in
and and drop nuclear weapons and they could wipe out.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
The Ukraine at the end of the world. Then okay.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But what I'm saying is, and I think that I
think that I don't think even Putin is nuts enough
to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I don't think that up as you say, that's the
military I don't think you know, there's no military solution.
There's got to be a diplomatic solution. But it takes
two people to give in. And if you decide it's
not going to give in, then you have just you know,
it's like Iraq, you know, just or Syria just goes
on and I'll even Vietnam. It just keeps going on
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and on and on until you totally get exhausted, and
then who knows, you know, maybe just the the cessation
of war is the solution. You know, a cold work.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well wait, wait a second. We had we had World
War two and you know, the United States, with some
help from Russia, took took on Germany. And you know
what are we supposed to do? Sit back and say, oh,
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let's let you know, there comes a point in time
where a great power has to stand up, and I
think that Donald Trump. This is a moment in time
where Trump has to show his metal and Trump has
to sit down and if necessary, meet with putin face
to face and say, look, you've had three and a
half years, this is not working out the way you
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wanted it. It's time to stop.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
And if you don't stop, if you don't say no,
I don't want to stop, Okay, then we.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Have some economic sanctions that are going to cripple your economy.
And we do have economic.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Sanctions, he'll have Shia, there's nothing. That's why Trump is
going to walk away though with this, because he sees
it's kind of like a realistic I don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I don't think you can afford to walk away from this. Jack.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
In my opinion, he's walking away on the life of
what is he doing. He doesn't have a solution because
nobody's listening. He's like, he's a negotiator. If neither side
wants to give in nothing to negotiat.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well, we'll see, Jack, let's see what let's see let's
talk six months from now, and let's read.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
So we're talking about my children, you know, my grandchildren.
You know, human liars are at stake there.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Do you have children and grandchildren over there?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I have children. I have a step daughter in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
In Ukraine. Well, you should be praying every night for
Donald Trump to be able to convince Putin to stop this. Jack,
I gotta run, Thank.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
You, mom.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
All right, thank you, my friend. We'll take a quick break.
You know, all we're doing is we're talking here.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Don't take it personal. Okay, don't take it personally. The
only line that's open right now is six one seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. We're going to get everybody in. And
this is a I think it's a moment in time.
It's funny when wed when this first started, I was
very disappointed in my audience. They didn't seem to understand
what's at stake.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And I think that this is a moment in time
where where a great superpower, the United States, may be
able to convince Putin to do the right thing. Because
even though Putin is probably a little nuts himself, I
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think he might actually be a little fearful of Trump,
which might at the end of the day be a
good thing. We'll be back at Nightside. Feel free. The
only line six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
Everybody's getting in tonight. Whatever your point of view.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Kay, we're talking about Ukraine Russia. I think that this
counter attack by Ukraine might lead to peace. It's not
a piece that Putin wants, but it's a piece that
he might have to accept. In my opinion. You can
agree or disagree. Most of the callers so far disagree,
which is fine. We got two open lines at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
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ten thirty. If you want to get in. Let me
go to Will and Long Island. Hey, Will, welcome, How are.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
You, Hey, Dan? How are you?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So?
Speaker 6 (21:56):
It certainly exploited some abilities. It also proved that you
could have this asymmetrical type of warfare, that is smaller
military could exploit.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh we just lost Will. Will you got a call back.
We didn't cut you off. But that's the shortest phone
call I've ever had from Will. Will will get you
back if you'd like, Cohen. Let's go to that. We
did not cut you off. Will. I was just listening
when he calls back, let me know, Rob, Will put
him back up, and I go to Patrick and Charlestown.
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Patrick next on nightside.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Welcome, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm doing fine? So far? Everybody has very well. Everybody's
kind of disagreed with me so far. I didn't hear
enough from Will to know what his position was. Go
right ahead, Patrick, listen.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
So, I frankly don't care what the President of Ukraine
does for his country. What I care about is us
saying out of it, and what this guy did today
was an escalation and the backdrop of ongoing efforts to
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settle this war. This was an effort by the president
of the Ukraine to make sure that he could cripple
any negotiations to resolve this thing peaceably. I think that
his position in his survival in that position of presidency,
I think is is aided by the continuance of the war.
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And I don't think that we should look upon this
as something that is beneficial to the United States, and
that if if we're going to support that country at all,
they need to cooperate with us and on our national
interest to seeing a peaceable resolution, not an escalation which
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could potentially lead to World War three.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay, well, I I take your points. Let me let
me count a couple of them, and that is this
whenever Russia loses a few supersonic bombers, and that's a
good day for the United States in my opinion. And
I'm not being a wise guy when I say that
it would be interesting, interesting to see how Trump, how
President Trump handles this. I think now is the time
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to put some pressure on Putin to end this. And
I think that Donald Trump has the ability to play
both good cop, bad cop, as they said at the
beginning of the hour, and basically stay to putin. Look,
I'm giving you the best advice I can give you.
This is not worth it. You've got too much at stake.
This could go this could turn around in backfire and
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really hurt you.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Now and I actulutely agree with you. However, I think
that only tells half of the story. I think at
the same time, he should go to this moron running
a Ukraine, this dictator, effectively tell him that that's the
end of the spigot. If you do anything without our
permission ever again, you'll never see another dollar of American aid.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
How do you know how you know we didn't have
he didn't have our permission.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
I don't know that. I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
We're playing with this. I mean again, I think that Look,
I don't think the continuation of this is in anyone's
interest at this point.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
How about our interests? All about the United States? What's
what's I think.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Anything that we get Russia helps us. I think that
that that that I'm more worried about Russia than I
am of China. I know China is an economic power,
is a big concern, but in terms of a military power,
I'm concerned about Russia because of this.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Always love that I always love that police song, uh,
staying police.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I hope the Russians love their children too, you know.
And I've always yeah, I've always felt my entire life
like we've we've created this caricature of the Russians that
they're there's horrible people. Every Russian person I've ever met
has been awesome. They've been hardworking, brilliant people, lots of scientists,
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lots of They're amazing people. Man, Like, what were you.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the lead.
I'm talking about the polit bureau.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
I understand now this has been going on for a
long time, and you know, it's funny that people criticize
Trump for not being able to resolve this war when
you know, in twenty fourteen, under the Obama administration, the
CIA fostered the revolution that overthrew an elected president of
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Ukraine who was more thought of as being so more
friendly to Russia, who at least out Sevastopol's naval base
to the Russian fleet and so on. The CIA overthrew
d were on the ground in the Ukraine, fostering revolution
that led to the overthrow the democratically elected present.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Let me just say, Patrick, you're not wrong there. I'm
you're absolutely I believe from what I've read that you're
absolutely correct. But it is not twenty fourteen anymore. And
we got to deal with the cards that are on
the table.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
How do we get this thing closed up?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I just curiosity at eleven when I opened up all
I wasn't basically said, I think this is an opportunity
for Donald Trump to play good cop bad cop cops.
Simultaneously sit down with Putin, get him on the phone,
sit down, have a face to face meeting, and say, look,
you know you were You were running the risk of
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losing control of this situation. And this has gone on
way too long. You've paid too big a price. Now
is the time to settle it.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And he could say that. He could say that Putin,
you asked me how to settle it. He could say
to Putin, looked, I have the ability to put some
pressure on Zolynsky that maybe you don't have diplomatically, And
if you're willing to work with me and be honest,
I can bring I can bring Zelinsky to heal, and
that might be the way to solve it, in my opinion.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
And I think the one thing I'd like to add
to that is You've known a lot of tough, nasty
guys in your life, and when one of them get
knocked down Dan, talking to them and telling them, hey,
you shouldn't retaliate is a difficult thing to do. Their
pride is involved, yes, and so in this in this situation,
I think what he has to do is something like
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what he did with that in Yahoo, and he's going
to have to say, hey, listen, hold off from retaliating
like you're going to. They're going to retaliate in some
amazing way within the next few days that you're not
even gonna believe, and we're going to see an escalation
that's gonna spend this out of control.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Hope you I hope you're wrong.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
You have to take care of his wounded ego, Dan,
and we have to. He's not gonna back down out
of fear. We need to try to.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I agree with that. I'm agreeing with that. I'm not
saying he's gonna He's got to go to He's got
to basically play the role of being a friend and
also an analyst. That's all I'm trying to say. He's
he's not, he's got he has a delegate, uh needle
to thread here, and I hope you can do it.
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I'm talking about Trump not putin. All right, gotta run, Patrick,
Thank you much.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Thanks, Dan?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Do you soon? All right? Let me keep rolling here.
I guess we're not gonna get my pell Will from
Long Island back, but that's okay. Let me go to
Rick in Dover, New Hampshire. Rick love to know what
you're thinking about this, and where are the ladies on
this one? This is only got Irene coming up. That's good. Hey, Rick, welcome, Hey,
we're hi. Dan.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
I don't know. I think the KGV spymaster is playing chess.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Well.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Trump can't even set up the checkerboard. I mean, nobody
respects this guy. He's not Henry Kissinger, the guy had
to get a male order bride from Russia. Come on, man,
nobody respects him.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah. I think Rick, you're engaging in some uh some
rhetoric that I don't think Millennia is a male order
bride in the classic sense of a male order bride.
But again, I just think that's beneath you. If you
want to make that guy.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
The guy's a failed, washed up businessman, a game show host.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Right, he's also and he's also the president, and he's
also he's also the president of the United States who
was elected in twenty sixteen, left in disgrace and was
able to resurrect himself. Kill that, Rob, to kill that, please?
You know you use your big words next time, Rick, Okay,
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thanks very much. I don't need that. I hope you
got that, Rob. I don't want to. I don't want
an f bomb out in the air on my Sure,
we'll take a break, have another drink, Rick, and call
us back next week. We'll take a quick break here
on Nightside. Irene is going to be next, and I know,
I Reen, what's that. I'm gonna get to Will after Irene.
(31:30):
Irene is next, and then we get to Will. Don't worry.
We're coming back on night.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Side, Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio car.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Let's get a roll in this promised Irene in Rhode Island. Hey, Irene,
welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Hi, Hi, taking my call, Will Ray?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Dan, you call me Dan.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
It's okay, I'm a ninety nine year old woman.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
That is.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
Or foul politics for a long long time. And I
can remember years ago reading Patrick Patrick bucannons otcles and
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he said at that time that pouted and wanted a
warm water port for his navy, and he would go
after the Black Sea so he could have his warm
water port in the Black Sea. And that, wow, the
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Black Sea is shallow.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Well, it must be. It must be deep enough if
it's a sea. I read. I don't know, Hey, I read.
Let me ask you. I got to ask you this.
When do you celebrate the century mark?
Speaker 9 (33:02):
December twenty seventh, nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Wow, December twenty seventh, Irene, I want to gonna write
this down, and I hope you would you call us
back that week so week and wish you a really
happy birthday. I really would like to do that.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
If you don't mind, well I will.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
I will.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Have you called me before, because I don't remember ever
having spoken with you.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
No, but I've been a faithful listener and I don't
fight them.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
First time call a gets a big round of applause.
You go right ahead, thanks, Irene.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Well, I'm disappointed when I hear people criticizing Trump. That
man eMate it to our assassination attempts. He's a businessman,
and America's business is business. That's why.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's a great saying. And I forget who said that,
but that is so true, so.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
True, totly that that's a business man. He's running this
country like a business, which should be not some somebody's hobby.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
All Right, Ireen, I'm gonna let you go because I
got full lines. But I hope to hear from you
often between now and next December, and I want to
be able to wish you personally happy birthday on December
twenty seventh.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Okay, thanks, thank you, Dan, Thanks Ireen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We'll talk again, thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
All right here, happy, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right, will will normally I gave you a whole bunch
of time, but I got people lined up behind you.
But I'm bumping me up here, buddy, give it to
me quick.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I love Irene, number one, number two. You're much more
insightful than you know Bob and Rick over there before.
But I will say this this, obviously the exploited some
vulnerabilities in Russia right, and certainly exposed some of the
asymmetrical warfare that can be done by a smaller military
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versus a much larger one. Right. But you know, when
I first spoke to you about this a long time ago,
I said, I don't think they'll go win, but if
they do, it a last forever, and they won't win
because number one, they are a regional power at best.
Number two, they've never won anything ever world War two.
Even when they took one side of Berlin, they lost
nine million soldiers. They were literally the worst fighting force
(35:33):
out there. They couldn't take Afghanistan. They can't even take this.
It's on their doorstep. It's literally on their doorstep.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's all we couldn't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Yeah, but that's no.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
We did.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
We copied Afghanistan and we gave it over to and elected.
We gave it back, but we finished Afghanistan. We took Iraq,
and we were trying to hold places that were thousands
of miles away. This is literally on their front steps
and they can't do anything. And if they were on
are with the Ukrainian soldiers, they wouldn't be asking North
Koreans that know nothing about the area to come over
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there and fight with them.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
All right, thanks, I'm gonna let you go. Thank you much.
What happened? Your phone just drop out on us before.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Yeah, I no, no, I was still on hold with
you guys, So I think there was a cross up
on the line. I thought I was talking to you,
and I thought I made some great points, but I.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Guess thanks good night. All right, let me get real quickly,
gonna try to get three in here. It's gonna be tough.
Frank in Boston, Frank next on nightside.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Go ahead, whoa bill. That was some great stuff. But
I think that Ukraine had did some double o seven
stuff here.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, that was a great move.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And yeah, and also I don't think this thing is
gonna get resolved until the Europeans step up, because one
thing that all this situation has done the last few
days is just like the so so said about America
in World War Two, we have awoken a sleeping giant.
Europe is gonna end up dominating this world. And unless
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we get you, unless we have a whole bunch of
nations that get together, we're gonna be weak. The rest
of the world is gonna be weak compared to Europe.
America and Canada and Mexico should become one union, which
is one thing that I agree with Trump. But like
I said, this we have a woke on a sleeping giant.
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And the only way this is gonna get resolved is
that Europe steps up and starts saying screw you Trump.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Okay, all right, fair enough, Frank, I got you in.
I got two more. We'll talk again. Thank you for you, gentlemen,
Thank you, appreciate. Stu Is in Pennsylvania. Stew I only
got about a minute for you. I want to get
you and I want to get John in from Boston.
Go ahead, ste.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
How you knowing the night?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Dan put your take on this?
Speaker 10 (37:55):
Well, uh boy, that older lady, God, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And then that's so great. She was the sharpest, sharpest
tool in the draw tonight.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Let me tell you, well, she had a little bit
more time, she would have been really on the mark.
And she's It's just thank god the elderly are still
thinking it and running on twelve olders, because I see
people a third of her age and they must have
just stepped out of the bar. Anyway, the good movie
to look at is Thirteen Days.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
This is the real deal with sixty two missile crisis.
I'm familiar with it. Yep.
Speaker 10 (38:33):
Okay, well, I've watched that movie. I can't tell you
how many times because I study it and every sixty just.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
You know what, I'm sure you know. October sixteenth, nineteen
sixty two to October twenty ninth.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
Well, Kennedy, the Kennedy's and O'Donnell stopped the military industrial
complex from getting US into another war that would have
finished us. And here's the quote from Kennedy where he says,
we have to put us in to war before end
war puts an end to us. And what I see
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are globalists that are still out to covet other geographies,
other people's lands, and they'll do anything to do it.
We got to put a stop to these globalists and
these people that are just dying to create another war.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well, I think Trump is your guy.
Speaker 10 (39:27):
That's that. Diplomatic is a way to go. We don't
need wars, We don't need these globalists trying to control.
Speaker 11 (39:35):
Do.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I gave you a minute and a half, and I
got to give John thirty seconds. Okay, man, we'll talk again.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
Thanks guy, keep.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Calling good night. I saved literally thirty seconds for you. John.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Go okay, I'm gonna probably be real breathe. A couple
of months ago, The New York Times did a great
story on how the United States is helping Ukraine, but
I made it called up and your chief edits to
please tell us why Why is the United States helping
Ukraine on a NATO country and they've given them billions
of dollars? And who helped Ukraine this weekend pulled us off?
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So it's the war between.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
The United States, I Russia and of the same.
Speaker 11 (40:12):
You have a lot of goodies over in Ukraine, and
the United States doesn't want rush to have them. So
please call us, get some one in your show, tell
us why the United States is helping Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
All right, Thanks John, appreciate your call.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Car I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I'll give you much more time, but I'm done. I'm
done for the night. Thanks John, have a great night.
Done for the night. Want to thank Rob, want to
thank Marita. Want to thank all the callers and all
the listeners. All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's Mi pell Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago.
That's where all your pets are who passed. They loved
you and you love them. I do believe you'll see
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them again. Hope see again tomorrow night. Everybody have a
great Tuesday. I will be on Facebook in a couple
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It's with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Radio, Welcome back, everybody. Thank you Dan Watkins. As we
move into our eleventh and fourth hour here on a
Monday night, a friend of mine calls Monday Moon to Day,
m a n day and yeah, gotta wake up people.
We got some good topics tonight. I'd like you to
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rise to the occasion. We have not talked about Ukraine
here on Nightside in quite a while in any depth.
And I must tell you that part of the reason
we have not talked about it it has really not
been in the news. The on again, off again peace
talks have sputtered and stammered and stuttered and gone nowhere.
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It is clear to me that Putin is playing a
delaying game here and hopes to deliver a knockout blow
at some point to Lensky. The Ukrainian forces have withstood
everything the Russians have been able to throw at them
short of a nuclear weapon, and hopefully nobody engages in
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that sort of tom foolery. But I think we have
reached a very critical point over the weekend. And if
you haven't seen this story, I am I'm going to
explain it. Ukraine did something incredibly creative this weekend, and
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it has been compared to today. I heard someone compare
it to the work that Israel had done with the
exploding cell phones and the exploding radios that had been
distributed to Hesbela operatives in Lebanon earlier. I think it
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was either late last year or early this year. They
were designed to explode literally in the pockets of the
Hesbola operatives and a lot of the leadership, certainly the
second level leadership of Hesbola was destroyed by a brilliant
Israeli attack, which I mean, it's one of those things
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that the Israelis know how to outthink their opponents. Well,
the Ukrainians over this weekend had put into place now
paraphrasing or reading from a New York Times article, which
will I think be in the Times tomorrow morning, Ukraine
hit attack drones in Russia. These videos show what happened.
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I saw a couple of the videos tonight on the
ABC World News Tonight. For months, even as forces were
losing ground on the battlefield at home, the Ukrainian military
was planning a stunning assault deep in Russian soil. So
on Sunday, remotely operated Ukrainian drones emerged from hiding inside
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Russia and began wreaking damage. When they were done, at
least a dozen military aircraft lay in ruins. I think
it's more than a dozen. I think the Time is
underestimating that. An analysis of videos and satellite imagery by
The New York Times shows the extent of the attack.
What apparently happened was these drones were hidden inside of trucks,
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and the trucks appeared to be transporting housing supplies, even
modular homes, and somehow someway the top of the trucks
recoiled and the drones were timed, and they were within
a few miles of Russian airfields, and the drones took
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off and an a coordinated attack hit at least maybe
as many as eight Russian airfields. Strategic bombers. These were
bombers that could carry nuclear weapons. At at least two airfields.
I don't know the names of these airfields, but I'll
read them to you. Balaya and Olinya were destroyed. Total
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Ukraine targeted bases in five regions, according to Russia's Ministry
of Defense, which set attacks on three other locations, had
been repelled. Oh yes, if you believe that. Fine. The
Times was not able to verify those claims, but satellite
imagery captured on Monday, meaning today, indicates that no aircraft
were damaged. As two of the other bases likely targeted,
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No clear satellite imagery footage existed for the third base,
but a video shared widely online and verified by the
Time shows a recording of the software responsible for piloting
the Ukrainians drones as their assault on the Yaya Balaya
airbase began. This online footage captures a dron's view as
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it flies over the base toward a line of at
least six aircraft before descending toward a tupe Lev two
ninety five bomber and I believe that's one of the
bombers that can carry nuclear weapons. Shortly after, a video
shows two drones launched from containers that appear to be
disguised as modula holmes. Mounted on the back of a
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nearby semi truck. They fly towards smoke plumes billowing from
the base less than four miles away. This is amazing video.
They have literally rendered a body blow to the Russian
military in the Russian Air Force, which is significant. Now
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I have no idea how Putin's going to respond. I
have no idea if he's absolutely nuts. This is in
the body there to assess the damage at the airbase,
The Times obtained radar imagery from a space imaging company
Umbra that can see through cloudy sky. Seven strategic bombers
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appear to be completely destroyed, very likely four Tu two
m that means nothing to me, and three tu tu
ninety five bombers also visible in the drone footage. A
geo A Geospatial Analysts published the same findings previously that
confirmed damage at Belaya signals a blow to Russia's campaign
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of using long range bombers to target Ukraine. So what
Ukraine struck at with the very basis that we're bombing
and sending missiles and ordinance into Ukraine. So I think
it's great. And the Ukraine, which has turned out to
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be a feisty opponent for Russia, and Russia has now
had to bring in Chinese strons, Iranian drones, North Korean
foot soldiers. So here's my point. I'm getting excited. Here
here's my point. It is now time for Donald Trump,
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in my opinion, has to walk a little bit of
a fine line. We don't want nuclear war. But I
think he has to say to Putin. He has to
be a good cop in the back cop, and he
has to say to Putin, look, you got to trust me.
This is a losing battle for you. This is eventually
going to potentially cause your people to rise up in
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your own leadership could be a jeopardy. You've picked a
bad fight with Zelenski and his opponents. I know you
don't like them. I know you would hope to accomplish
much more. But at this time, it's time for you
to cut your losses. And if you don't cut your losses,
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I'm going to impose greater and maybe even crippling sanctions.
So I think Trump has to play both the good
cop and the bad cop. He can't do good cop
or bad cop only one. He has to play both.
And he has to convince Putin. And if he's able
to do this, okay, hats off to him. He has
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to convince Putin that it's in his country's best interest
to end the war, to come to a ceasefire, to
reassess where they are, what their losses are. In my opinion,
whether Trump will do that, I don't know. I don't know.
I do not believe that Trump is a toty of Putin's.
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I don't believe that. Okay, I know some of you
believe that. If you believe that, that's fine. But now
is the time for Trump to apply pressure on Putin,
pressure economic pressure, which will force Putin to sit down
and sue for an end to the hostilities. I think
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it is imperative, and I think this is the time
that it has to happen. Now, you can tell me
I'm crazy. I don't care. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I would hope, I would hope that there are conversations
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underway even tonight, while these wounds are fresh in Russia,
that it is time for them to end this war,
just as they had to finally withdraw from Afghanistan. The
analogy will not be lost on Putin. Join the conversation.
Only one line open in six one, seven, nine, ten thirty.
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Let's get it going, coming back on Nightside right after
this quick break.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, let's go to the phones. Gonna start it off
with Bob and Rhode Island. Bob, you were next on Nightside. Welcome, Hello, Dan, Hey, Bob.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Uh didn't Trump say that when he ran against Harris
that he was going to stop the Ukraine War and
Russia War the first day he was in office?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yep. Pop Political candidates, you correct. Political candidates say a
lot of things. Absolutely, when Lyndon Johnson, I thought he
was a little can I finish? Can I finish a comment? Bob?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I meant, all right, I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Not going to cut you off. You don't have to apologize.
I remember Lyndon Johnson in nineteen sixty four, when he's
running against Barry Goldwater said I'm not going to send
American boys to fight a war that the Vietnamese boys
should be fighting. These politics, I should say a lot
of stuff. You're right, you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I thought it was a wheel of deal at Trump
making the hot of a deal. I don't think the
war stopped yet. It's June second, almost June third. Wonderd
he get get in office January twentieth.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's when that's what he was inaugurated. You're correct on
all of those points. It is indeed June second, it's
almost January third. You're correct.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So Trump is just as much of bs honist as anybody,
maybe more so. Well, I hope, I hope the war ends. Yeah,
I know, well.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I do too, And let's see what happens. I was
I wanted to to get people to focus on what
Ukraine accomplished this weekend, which was brilliant. Did you get
a chance to see any of that.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, I just heard you're talking about it. I'm happy
about that. Yeah, I am sorry, he said, he said.
Trump says, I'm I'm sorry about all them five thousand
people the troops in a week or whatever it is
that are being killed. Well, it's five months later, and
as I read, I won't say it again, I don't
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see any results from Trump yet.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, sometimes results take a little longer. Do I think
that he thought that somehow, someway he had a magic formula.
I don't know. That's what he said. The war has
gone on. I never believed. I'm an intelligent person and
you're an intelligent person. I don't think that unless literally
he had putin in his back pocket that it's going
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to end. But that's okay. I want to see what
happens in the next few weeks or maybe even in
the next few days. I'd like to see some US
put on Russia. Was time to put pressure on.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Him, Yeah, whatever it takes. I don't get I don't
like I don't like Putin. I do like Zuwinski, and
I hope Zolenski and the Ukraine wins out in this deal.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
No. I mean, obviously Russia started the war. Russia Mount,
you know, mass the troupe, There's no question about that.
And it started not when Trump was in the White House.
It started when Biden was in the White House.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And here we go, here we go Biden again.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
No, but I'm just you would you cited some facts
to me that I that I agreed with you on.
You told me that Trump was inaugurated on January twentieth,
which is true, and today's June second, it's almost June third,
which is true. I just am giving you some context
that the war started. Well, Biden, remember I remember talking
about the Russian troops massing on the border, and Biden
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was saying I told him, don't don't. Well Putin didn't
listen to him. That's all.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's all Trump any Is Trump any tougher than Biden?
I don't think so. It was five months after get inaugurated.
I don't see any results.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
How much landed Putin when Trump was in the White House?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
God, none, none, Okay, all right, So you think Putin's
scared of Trump.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I don't. I think Putin probably figures Trump is a
is a wild card, and I think.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
The police wildcod all right, is a maniac.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, Well, that's fine, that's a good analysis. I didn't
realize you had a psychological degree. But Bob, your point
of view is always welcome here. I hope you know that.
And I appreciate you getting in.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I appreciate it. I appreciate you to let me on
the air. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Your gentlemen, thank you very much. Let me go to
Jack and Newton. Hey, Jack, welcome back, Jack.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Hi Jack Porter. Well, as you know, IM a Ukrainian
woman and I have a I have a stepdaughter and
the grandchildren, and yourkra This.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is personal to you. I know that. Jack, absolutely love
to know. I thought what happened over the weekend was
was really great.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, I don't know about that. I you can't, you
can't cannot defeat Russia militarily. Russia could defeat. Ukraine could
destroy Ukraine if it wants to with many, many bombs.
So and I think it, you know, puts Ukraine, puts
dominating in great danger. But you pointed out a lot
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of things that could be done. Whether it will be done,
But the biggest thing is when you have two people
that have called zero some game. You know, Ukraine doesn't
want to give up Crimea and the NMS and Russia
wants it so.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Well Russia, Russia already has Crimea, they've had Crimea.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Ukraine. But I just think you're not When you have
that kind of conflict with one wanting this and the
other one wanting that, and there's no means to discuss
anything in between, then you know you'll have continual war.
And I think Trump recognizes that and he'll probably walk
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away because he doesn't always listening to him. So I
don't know. I don't know if there's a solution.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm not convinced it's a solution either. But I'll tell
you this, in my opinion, Ukraine did the right thing
this weekend. They took out some very significant parts of
the Russian Air Force and it's it was good for
Ukraine and it was good for the world.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Now I would disagree. You can't destroy Russia. The south
military powers in the world. You know, they destroy a
few plays. If Russia wants to drop the bounds and
destroy you think it could do so. It could have happened.
So and that's what I really worry about. I worry
about the new to your right, Well, here's the thing, if.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Jack, Jack, I do anything, I don't. I have kids,
I have grand kids. I worry about the nuclear situation
as well. But but but my question to you is
what is the alternative? Is the alternative to watch Russia
just pound this this small country into into oblivion? Is
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that the answer?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
No, No, that they're not pounding into either into oblivion.
Now there is there's no military solution to this thing.
It has to be diplomatic.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
But show there's a military solution. Russia could go in
and and drop nuclear weapons and they could wipe out.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
The Ukraine at the end of the world. Then okay.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But what I'm saying is, and I think that I
think that I don't think even Putin is nuts enough
to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I don't think that up as you say, that's the
military I don't think you know, there's no military solution.
There's got to be a diplomatic solution. But it takes
two people to give in. And if you decide it's
not going to give in, then you have just you know,
it's like Iraq, you know, just or Syria just goes
on and I'll even Vietnam. It just keeps going on
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and on and on until you totally get exhausted, and
then who knows, you know, maybe just the the cessation
of war is the solution. You know, a cold work.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well wait, wait a second. We had we had World
War two and you know, the United States, with some
help from Russia, took took on Germany. And you know
what are we supposed to do? Sit back and say, oh,
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let's let you know, there comes a point in time
where a great power has to stand up, and I
think that Donald Trump. This is a moment in time
where Trump has to show his metal and Trump has
to sit down and if necessary, meet with putin face
to face and say, look, you've had three and a
half years, this is not working out the way you
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wanted it. It's time to stop.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
And if you don't stop, if you don't say no,
I don't want to stop, Okay, then we.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Have some economic sanctions that are going to cripple your economy.
And we do have economic.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Sanctions, he'll have Shia, there's nothing. That's why Trump is
going to walk away though with this, because he sees
it's kind of like a realistic I don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I don't think you can afford to walk away from this. Jack.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
In my opinion, he's walking away on the life of
what is he doing. He doesn't have a solution because
nobody's listening. He's like, he's a negotiator. If neither side
wants to give in nothing to negotiat.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well, we'll see, Jack, let's see what let's see let's
talk six months from now, and let's read.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
So we're talking about my children, you know, my grandchildren.
You know, human liars are at stake there.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Do you have children and grandchildren over there?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I have children. I have a step daughter in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
In Ukraine. Well, you should be praying every night for
Donald Trump to be able to convince Putin to stop this. Jack,
I gotta run, Thank.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
You, mom.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
All right, thank you, my friend. We'll take a quick break.
You know, all we're doing is we're talking here.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Don't take it personal. Okay, don't take it personally. The
only line that's open right now is six one seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. We're going to get everybody in. And
this is a I think it's a moment in time.
It's funny when wed when this first started, I was
very disappointed in my audience. They didn't seem to understand
what's at stake.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And I think that this is a moment in time
where where a great superpower, the United States, may be
able to convince Putin to do the right thing. Because
even though Putin is probably a little nuts himself, I
(21:03):
think he might actually be a little fearful of Trump,
which might at the end of the day be a
good thing. We'll be back at Nightside. Feel free. The
only line six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
Everybody's getting in tonight. Whatever your point of view.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Kay, we're talking about Ukraine Russia. I think that this
counter attack by Ukraine might lead to peace. It's not
a piece that Putin wants, but it's a piece that
he might have to accept. In my opinion. You can
agree or disagree. Most of the callers so far disagree,
which is fine. We got two open lines at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
(21:49):
ten thirty. If you want to get in. Let me
go to Will and Long Island. Hey, Will, welcome, How are.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
You, Hey, Dan? How are you?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So?
Speaker 6 (21:56):
It certainly exploited some abilities. It also proved that you
could have this asymmetrical type of warfare, that is smaller
military could exploit.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh we just lost Will. Will you got a call back.
We didn't cut you off. But that's the shortest phone
call I've ever had from Will. Will will get you
back if you'd like, Cohen. Let's go to that. We
did not cut you off. Will. I was just listening
when he calls back, let me know, Rob, Will put
him back up, and I go to Patrick and Charlestown.
(22:34):
Patrick next on nightside.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Welcome, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm doing fine? So far? Everybody has very well. Everybody's
kind of disagreed with me so far. I didn't hear
enough from Will to know what his position was. Go
right ahead, Patrick, listen.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
So, I frankly don't care what the President of Ukraine
does for his country. What I care about is us
saying out of it, and what this guy did today
was an escalation and the backdrop of ongoing efforts to
(23:11):
settle this war. This was an effort by the president
of the Ukraine to make sure that he could cripple
any negotiations to resolve this thing peaceably. I think that
his position in his survival in that position of presidency,
I think is is aided by the continuance of the war.
(23:35):
And I don't think that we should look upon this
as something that is beneficial to the United States, and
that if if we're going to support that country at all,
they need to cooperate with us and on our national
interest to seeing a peaceable resolution, not an escalation which
(23:56):
could potentially lead to World War three.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay, well, I I take your points. Let me let
me count a couple of them, and that is this
whenever Russia loses a few supersonic bombers, and that's a
good day for the United States in my opinion. And
I'm not being a wise guy when I say that
it would be interesting, interesting to see how Trump, how
President Trump handles this. I think now is the time
(24:22):
to put some pressure on Putin to end this. And
I think that Donald Trump has the ability to play
both good cop, bad cop, as they said at the
beginning of the hour, and basically stay to putin. Look,
I'm giving you the best advice I can give you.
This is not worth it. You've got too much at stake.
This could go this could turn around in backfire and
(24:43):
really hurt you.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Now and I actulutely agree with you. However, I think
that only tells half of the story. I think at
the same time, he should go to this moron running
a Ukraine, this dictator, effectively tell him that that's the
end of the spigot. If you do anything without our
permission ever again, you'll never see another dollar of American aid.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
How do you know how you know we didn't have
he didn't have our permission.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
I don't know that. I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
We're playing with this. I mean again, I think that Look,
I don't think the continuation of this is in anyone's
interest at this point.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
How about our interests? All about the United States? What's
what's I think.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Anything that we get Russia helps us. I think that
that that that I'm more worried about Russia than I
am of China. I know China is an economic power,
is a big concern, but in terms of a military power,
I'm concerned about Russia because of this.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Always love that I always love that police song, uh,
staying police.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I hope the Russians love their children too, you know.
And I've always yeah, I've always felt my entire life
like we've we've created this caricature of the Russians that
they're there's horrible people. Every Russian person I've ever met
has been awesome. They've been hardworking, brilliant people, lots of scientists,
(26:17):
lots of They're amazing people. Man, Like, what were you.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the lead.
I'm talking about the polit bureau.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
I understand now this has been going on for a
long time, and you know, it's funny that people criticize
Trump for not being able to resolve this war when
you know, in twenty fourteen, under the Obama administration, the
CIA fostered the revolution that overthrew an elected president of
(26:49):
Ukraine who was more thought of as being so more
friendly to Russia, who at least out Sevastopol's naval base
to the Russian fleet and so on. The CIA overthrew
d were on the ground in the Ukraine, fostering revolution
that led to the overthrow the democratically elected present.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Let me just say, Patrick, you're not wrong there. I'm
you're absolutely I believe from what I've read that you're
absolutely correct. But it is not twenty fourteen anymore. And
we got to deal with the cards that are on
the table.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
How do we get this thing closed up?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I just curiosity at eleven when I opened up all
I wasn't basically said, I think this is an opportunity
for Donald Trump to play good cop bad cop cops.
Simultaneously sit down with Putin, get him on the phone,
sit down, have a face to face meeting, and say, look,
you know you were You were running the risk of
(27:53):
losing control of this situation. And this has gone on
way too long. You've paid too big a price. Now
is the time to settle it.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And he could say that. He could say that Putin,
you asked me how to settle it. He could say
to Putin, looked, I have the ability to put some
pressure on Zolynsky that maybe you don't have diplomatically, And
if you're willing to work with me and be honest,
I can bring I can bring Zelinsky to heal, and
that might be the way to solve it, in my opinion.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
And I think the one thing I'd like to add
to that is You've known a lot of tough, nasty
guys in your life, and when one of them get
knocked down Dan, talking to them and telling them, hey,
you shouldn't retaliate is a difficult thing to do. Their
pride is involved, yes, and so in this in this situation,
I think what he has to do is something like
(28:49):
what he did with that in Yahoo, and he's going
to have to say, hey, listen, hold off from retaliating
like you're going to. They're going to retaliate in some
amazing way within the next few days that you're not
even gonna believe, and we're going to see an escalation
that's gonna spend this out of control.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Hope you I hope you're wrong.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
You have to take care of his wounded ego, Dan,
and we have to. He's not gonna back down out
of fear. We need to try to.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I agree with that. I'm agreeing with that. I'm not
saying he's gonna He's got to go to He's got
to basically play the role of being a friend and
also an analyst. That's all I'm trying to say. He's
he's not, he's got he has a delegate, uh needle
to thread here, and I hope you can do it.
(29:38):
I'm talking about Trump not putin. All right, gotta run, Patrick,
Thank you much.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Thanks, Dan?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Do you soon? All right? Let me keep rolling here.
I guess we're not gonna get my pell Will from
Long Island back, but that's okay. Let me go to
Rick in Dover, New Hampshire. Rick love to know what
you're thinking about this, and where are the ladies on
this one? This is only got Irene coming up. That's good. Hey, Rick, welcome, Hey,
we're hi. Dan.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
I don't know. I think the KGV spymaster is playing chess.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Well.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Trump can't even set up the checkerboard. I mean, nobody
respects this guy. He's not Henry Kissinger, the guy had
to get a male order bride from Russia. Come on, man,
nobody respects him.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah. I think Rick, you're engaging in some uh some
rhetoric that I don't think Millennia is a male order
bride in the classic sense of a male order bride.
But again, I just think that's beneath you. If you
want to make that guy.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
The guy's a failed, washed up businessman, a game show host.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Right, he's also and he's also the president, and he's
also he's also the president of the United States who
was elected in twenty sixteen, left in disgrace and was
able to resurrect himself. Kill that, Rob, to kill that, please?
You know you use your big words next time, Rick, Okay,
(31:07):
thanks very much. I don't need that. I hope you
got that, Rob. I don't want to. I don't want
an f bomb out in the air on my Sure,
we'll take a break, have another drink, Rick, and call
us back next week. We'll take a quick break here
on Nightside. Irene is going to be next, and I know,
I Reen, what's that. I'm gonna get to Will after Irene.
(31:30):
Irene is next, and then we get to Will. Don't worry.
We're coming back on night.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Side, Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio car.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Let's get a roll in this promised Irene in Rhode Island. Hey, Irene,
welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Hi, Hi, taking my call, Will Ray?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Dan, you call me Dan.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
It's okay, I'm a ninety nine year old woman.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
That is.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
Or foul politics for a long long time. And I
can remember years ago reading Patrick Patrick bucannons otcles and
(32:22):
he said at that time that pouted and wanted a
warm water port for his navy, and he would go
after the Black Sea so he could have his warm
water port in the Black Sea. And that, wow, the
(32:46):
Black Sea is shallow.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Well, it must be. It must be deep enough if
it's a sea. I read. I don't know, Hey, I read.
Let me ask you. I got to ask you this.
When do you celebrate the century mark?
Speaker 9 (33:02):
December twenty seventh, nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Wow, December twenty seventh, Irene, I want to gonna write
this down, and I hope you would you call us
back that week so week and wish you a really
happy birthday. I really would like to do that.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
If you don't mind, well I will.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
I will.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Have you called me before, because I don't remember ever
having spoken with you.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
No, but I've been a faithful listener and I don't
fight them.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
First time call a gets a big round of applause.
You go right ahead, thanks, Irene.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Well, I'm disappointed when I hear people criticizing Trump. That
man eMate it to our assassination attempts. He's a businessman,
and America's business is business. That's why.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's a great saying. And I forget who said that,
but that is so true, so.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
True, totly that that's a business man. He's running this
country like a business, which should be not some somebody's hobby.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
All Right, Ireen, I'm gonna let you go because I
got full lines. But I hope to hear from you
often between now and next December, and I want to
be able to wish you personally happy birthday on December
twenty seventh.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Okay, thanks, thank you, Dan, Thanks Ireen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We'll talk again, thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
All right here, happy, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right, will will normally I gave you a whole bunch
of time, but I got people lined up behind you.
But I'm bumping me up here, buddy, give it to
me quick.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I love Irene, number one, number two. You're much more
insightful than you know Bob and Rick over there before.
But I will say this this, obviously the exploited some
vulnerabilities in Russia right, and certainly exposed some of the
asymmetrical warfare that can be done by a smaller military
(35:09):
versus a much larger one. Right. But you know, when
I first spoke to you about this a long time ago,
I said, I don't think they'll go win, but if
they do, it a last forever, and they won't win
because number one, they are a regional power at best.
Number two, they've never won anything ever world War two.
Even when they took one side of Berlin, they lost
nine million soldiers. They were literally the worst fighting force
(35:33):
out there. They couldn't take Afghanistan. They can't even take this.
It's on their doorstep. It's literally on their doorstep.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's all we couldn't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Yeah, but that's no.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
We did.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
We copied Afghanistan and we gave it over to and elected.
We gave it back, but we finished Afghanistan. We took Iraq,
and we were trying to hold places that were thousands
of miles away. This is literally on their front steps
and they can't do anything. And if they were on
are with the Ukrainian soldiers, they wouldn't be asking North
Koreans that know nothing about the area to come over
(36:06):
there and fight with them.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
All right, thanks, I'm gonna let you go. Thank you much.
What happened? Your phone just drop out on us before.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Yeah, I no, no, I was still on hold with
you guys, So I think there was a cross up
on the line. I thought I was talking to you,
and I thought I made some great points, but I.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Guess thanks good night. All right, let me get real quickly,
gonna try to get three in here. It's gonna be tough.
Frank in Boston, Frank next on nightside.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Go ahead, whoa bill. That was some great stuff. But
I think that Ukraine had did some double o seven
stuff here.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, that was a great move.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And yeah, and also I don't think this thing is
gonna get resolved until the Europeans step up, because one
thing that all this situation has done the last few
days is just like the so so said about America
in World War Two, we have awoken a sleeping giant.
Europe is gonna end up dominating this world. And unless
(37:06):
we get you, unless we have a whole bunch of
nations that get together, we're gonna be weak. The rest
of the world is gonna be weak compared to Europe.
America and Canada and Mexico should become one union, which
is one thing that I agree with Trump. But like
I said, this we have a woke on a sleeping giant.
(37:27):
And the only way this is gonna get resolved is
that Europe steps up and starts saying screw you Trump.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Okay, all right, fair enough, Frank, I got you in.
I got two more. We'll talk again. Thank you for you, gentlemen,
Thank you, appreciate. Stu Is in Pennsylvania. Stew I only
got about a minute for you. I want to get
you and I want to get John in from Boston.
Go ahead, ste.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
How you knowing the night?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Dan put your take on this?
Speaker 10 (37:55):
Well, uh boy, that older lady, God, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And then that's so great. She was the sharpest, sharpest
tool in the draw tonight.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Let me tell you, well, she had a little bit
more time, she would have been really on the mark.
And she's It's just thank god the elderly are still
thinking it and running on twelve olders, because I see
people a third of her age and they must have
just stepped out of the bar. Anyway, the good movie
to look at is Thirteen Days.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
This is the real deal with sixty two missile crisis.
I'm familiar with it. Yep.
Speaker 10 (38:33):
Okay, well, I've watched that movie. I can't tell you
how many times because I study it and every sixty just.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
You know what, I'm sure you know. October sixteenth, nineteen
sixty two to October twenty ninth.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
Well, Kennedy, the Kennedy's and O'Donnell stopped the military industrial
complex from getting US into another war that would have
finished us. And here's the quote from Kennedy where he says,
we have to put us in to war before end
war puts an end to us. And what I see
(39:07):
are globalists that are still out to covet other geographies,
other people's lands, and they'll do anything to do it.
We got to put a stop to these globalists and
these people that are just dying to create another war.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well, I think Trump is your guy.
Speaker 10 (39:27):
That's that. Diplomatic is a way to go. We don't
need wars, We don't need these globalists trying to control.
Speaker 11 (39:35):
Do.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I gave you a minute and a half, and I
got to give John thirty seconds. Okay, man, we'll talk again.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
Thanks guy, keep.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Calling good night. I saved literally thirty seconds for you. John.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Go okay, I'm gonna probably be real breathe. A couple
of months ago, The New York Times did a great
story on how the United States is helping Ukraine, but
I made it called up and your chief edits to
please tell us why Why is the United States helping
Ukraine on a NATO country and they've given them billions
of dollars? And who helped Ukraine this weekend pulled us off?
(40:07):
So it's the war between.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
The United States, I Russia and of the same.
Speaker 11 (40:12):
You have a lot of goodies over in Ukraine, and
the United States doesn't want rush to have them. So
please call us, get some one in your show, tell
us why the United States is helping Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
All right, Thanks John, appreciate your call.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Car I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I'll give you much more time, but I'm done. I'm
done for the night. Thanks John, have a great night.
Done for the night. Want to thank Rob, want to
thank Marita. Want to thank all the callers and all
the listeners. All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's Mi pell Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago.
That's where all your pets are who passed. They loved
you and you love them. I do believe you'll see
(40:45):
them again. Hope see again tomorrow night. Everybody have a
great Tuesday. I will be on Facebook in a couple
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