Trump’s Proclamation Barring Foreign Students from Harvard

In President Trump’s latest move against Harvard University, he signed a proclamation “suspending the entry of foreign nationals seeking to study or participate in exchange programs at Harvard University.” In addition, Sec. of State Marco Rubio will assess current foreign students and determine on a case-by-case basis whether to revoke those current visas. Is President Trump going too far in his attacks against Harvard?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Before we get to our subjects at hand, and the
subject at hand this hour will be President Trump's proclamation
barring foreign students from attending Harvard and I just think
this is way over the top, But we'll get to
all of that. I got a couple of personal announcements
that i'd like to make. Number one, I would like

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Museum of Fine Arts. I was at a program that
was sponsored by a company called Day of AI. I
think all of us have heard a lot about artificial intelligence.
I joke and I say, I'm always waiting for some
real intelligence, but very impressive presentation. Students from two Boston

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high schools were there today. Many of them had participated
from East Boston High School in Brooke High School. These
are two schools that had presented AI generated self portraits
in a gallery style walkthrough with guests at the Museum
of Fine Arts. There also were some of the real

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brainiacs associated with this group, professors from places like MIT
and Carnegie Mellon and the whole purpose of Day of
AI as I understand it is. They are trying to
develop a curriculum in conjunction with MI T, with mi

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T raise in the day of AI. They were the
sponsors of this program today at the Museum of Fine
Arts in Boston, which is just such an asset to
our community. If you haven't been to the Museum of
Fine Arts lately, make that put that on your calendar
to do this summertime, either with friends or with visitors

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to Boston. It is just such a great asset of
greater Boston and for that matter, for the entire region
of New England anyway. It was a very impressive performance.
A lot of young people there is hope. Great students
from East Boston High School and Brooke High School met
with NYU professor Safina Ali, she's an MIT alum. There

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was also researcher Boston artist educator and researcher. When you there,
make sure that AI learning is more accessible to students.
And it's amazing the more that you learn about again
artificial intelligence, what impact is going to have on all

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of our lives in so many different ways. And it's
very important that young people who will be the future.
That's the way it works in this country. This was
the fourth annual Day of AI celebration at the Museum
of Fine Arts in conjunction with Day of Ai and
also with MI t Rays and I in the spirit

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of full disclosure, my namesake son, Dan Ray the third
is an executive with the Day of AI and their
goal is to make sure that students at public schools
across America are exposed to the learning how to use

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artificial intelligence as competently. They're trying to develop curriculum for
these schools that the public school students will get as
much exposure and education in this concept of artificial intelligence
creative expression, develop a curriculum. There are a lot of

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the private schools, Yeah, their students will be exposed to it.
But the Day of AI organization, which is associated with
MIT and with MIT rays, they're concerned about students across
the educational spectrum, not only in private schools, but also
even more importantly in public schools. So that's where I

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was today, and I got to tell you I learned
a lot. I learned a lot just sitting and listening.
There was such really fascinating people who were there, Just
an amazing group of people and an amazing group of
high school students. So hats off to those students from
East Boston High School and the Brook High School, and
to their teachers as well. These kids really impressed me

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and restored, as it occasionally needs to be restored, my
faith in the future. Now, let's talk about the immediate future.
The immediate future, of course, is everything that President Trump
is doing now. I guess President Trump had a conversation
today with the president of China, Jijiping about tariffs, which

(07:30):
is a good thing. Okay, let's get that such a
situation settled. I believe that yesterday he talked with Vladimir Putin,
who has expressed some intention to have some revenge for
the attack that the Surprise attack some have called that
actually Russia's Pearl Harbor that Ukraine was able to execute

(07:53):
over the weekend. They had one hundred drones which were
basically brought in by truck. It looked as if the
drones were simply in modular housing crates, but when the
tops of those crates were removed, the drones, like wasps

(08:16):
or hornets or whatever, were programmed to go to their
targets and they knocked out a lot of Russian planes
so that is something that is a good thing, including
some of the nuclear bombers of Russia. But the President
seems really focused, which I don't understand, on Harvard, and

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he has now issued a proclamation, presidential proclamation, presidential order,
whatever they want to call it, to bar foreign nationals
from entering the country if they're coming here for the
purpose of studying at Harvard University. He also later on

(08:57):
today he has instituted a new travel ban. Some would
say it's a resumption of the travel ban that he
tried to institute back in twenty seventeen. We'll get into
all of that in the ten o'clock hour. But this
is a busy president which he has a lot on

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his plate. And why he seems so focused on Harvard.
I have read the documentation between the White House and Harvard,
and more importantly, between Harvard and the White House, and
the White House has seemed to have acknowledged that young
mistakes had been made and that correction act corrective actions
are under way at Harvard to correct those mistakes. But

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to turn around now and to again attempt to punish
Harvard and the rationale. The rationale according to the President,
he wrote yesterday our adversaries, including the People's Republic of China,
try to take advantage of American hiring education by exploiting

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the student visa program for improper purposes and by using
visiting students to collect information at elite universities in the
United States. Well, that might be true, and I think
that they need to. That's why we have the CIA
and the FBI to make sure that those efforts are frustrated,

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and whether they're coming from China or from somewhere else,
they're frustrated. Harvard's lawyers today have written they filed an
amendment to a filing that's already before federal court, saying,
with the struggle of a pen, the DHS Secretary and
the President have sought to erase a quarter of Harvard's
student body, international students, who contribute significantly to the university

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and its mission and country. Without its international students, Harvard
is not Harvard. So I want to open up the
phone lines here. And I realize Harvard becomes an easy target.
And Harvard has made mistakes historically and has made mistakes
in recent years. But for the President to spend a

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significant portion of his day worrying about Harvard, I think
they're a bigger fish to fry again, including peace in
the Middle East, what's going on with Iran needless needless
to say, the border needs to be tightened up. I
will give him credit for doing a good job in
the border. I want to hear from some of the
from some of you who are diehard Trump supporters, that's fine,

(11:32):
some of you who are diehard Trump opponents, that's fine.
We're going to talk about the travel band beginning sometime
around ten o'clock. We will probably morph into that conversation.
That might not be as clean a break as normally.
But I just think, even if you're a current Trump
supporter or if you're a former Trump supporter, is this

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what you're voted for? An attack on Harvard? I think
there are other colleges that are much worse than Harvard.
If you want why the focus on Harvard, I don't know.
And I also don't think it's the right of the
government to tell a university who they can accept, who
they're allowed to even entertain. An application from that is

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that is that is micro management. That is not the role,
in my opinion, of the federal government whatsoever, whatsoever. So
I'm going to open up the phone line six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten
thirty and let's have a civil conversation, as we always

(12:41):
try to do here on Nightside. Whatever your point of view,
I want to hear from you on this, let's light
them up and we'll be right back right after this.
You may agree or disagree, it doesn't matter. All I
hear that you have a thought that you can express
on the radio, and we can have a conversation, hopefully
a civil one back on Nightside right after.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w
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Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, let's get Roland here as we talk about Harvard University.
And again the president's just his focus on Harvard. He
he wrote in this this this order, if you will,
this presidential proclamation. However, it's determined quote considering these facts,

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he says, it's not in the interest of the United
States to further compound Harvard's discrimination against non preferred races,
national origin, shared ancestries, or religions by further reducing opportunities
for American students through excessive foreign student enrollment. Quote considering
these facts, I'm determined it is necessary to restrict the

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entry of foreign nationals who seek to enter the United
States solely or principally, principally to participate in a course
of study at Harvard University or in an exchange visitor
program hosted by Harvard University. I think it's a misdirected focus.
We'll see what you have to say. Let me go next.

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I'm going to start it off here with Steven Cambridge. Steve,
thanks for calling in. I know, Dan strong feelings this
ad o.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
No, I don't. I don't have terribly strong feelings. Have
you noticed, though, the euphemism that has become very popular.
We don't call foreign students, Like when I was in
high school, we had a foreign student exchange. Now you
don't use that word anymore. You use international student. And
I mean, really, there is no such thing as an

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international student. An international student doesn't come from many countries.
He or she comes from one country.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I mean, that's what I would call that a euphemism.
And a lot of times words have meanings. Obviously, the term,
you know, illegal aliens has been morphed into terms about
undocumented immigrants, and you know it's it's whoever phrases the
argument or whoever, whoever.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
But it's it's imprecise the word international. A student is
coming from one or one country. The student is not
coming from many countries in the exchange, agree with you?
Harvard always uses international student and Trump uses foreign student. Well,
I mean, I think I wish Trump, would you know,

(15:30):
I wish Trump would focus on what is important in
the country right now, in the two wars that are
going on abroad and this whole tariff business. But I
guess Trump wouldn't be Trump if he didn't go off
in multiple, multiple directions.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well, I think you're right on that. But now he's
in a firefight with Elon Musk, and Musk today opened
up a front by suggesting that Trump was named in
the Epstein files, And well, yeah, did you not know that?
Did you know?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I kind of heard whiff of that, yes.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, And and basically Musk is now claiming that the
reason that the Epstein files have not become public because
of that. Oh yeah, he's uh, Musk is Musk is
going to war. And I just think, to myself, how
does that happen? You know, everybody can.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Does it surprise you that? I mean you know that
I knew I knew that it was just a matter.
I'm just hoping that jd. Vance will be able to
go four years with Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I'll tell you. At this point, Van's future political future,
I think is inextricably intertwined with the success or failure
of the Trump administration. You know, the fact that he
was talking today to the to the president of China,
Ziji Ping, that's a huge story. That's the story that
should be leading the newscast.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
That's not And that's a good story if they can
come to some agreement, of course it is.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, well it's a good story. The fact that they're just.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Talking number one, Yes, that's true.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Because there was a point in time when it was
pretty clear they weren't talking. Steve, It's it's perplexing to me.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, I mean it shouldn't be because it's Donald Trump,
you know. And but I mean, you know, I mean,
he just doesn't seem he can't get along with anybody
for more than a year or two, it seems, and
then it's their their mortal enemies.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
But beyond that, there's two things. There's that aspect of it. Okay.
I used to say of the Trump administration, he could
he could pick people who were who were very loyal
Steve Miller. Those types are very loyal to Donald Trump.
And he could pick people who were very competent. I
thought of Mike Pimpeo Pope as a very competent Bill

(17:54):
Barr as an attorney.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
General, Yes, very much, But he could not.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Pick people who were both confident and loyal. And the
great presidents have always had around them. And whether you
they're Democrats or Republicans, you know, President Obama, whether he's
a good president, great president, wherever you put him, Bill Clinton,
Ronald Reagan, they all had people who were confident and

(18:19):
loyal and for some reason.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
But I think again, just to close, I mean, I
think these people are loyal to Donald Trump, but he's
not loyal to them. I mean, I think Bill Barr,
you know, is a straight shooter, and I think, you know,
there was no reason for and I think I think
Mike Mike, Mike Pence was you know, loyal to Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Very loyal, very loyal. But but again I'm using, I
think loyalties are two way street. Okay, absolutely, so for example,
if you compare let us say, uh, President Obama's Attorney general,
Eric Holder, you know, Holder described himself as a president

(19:04):
Obama's wingman, and literally I think would take a figurative
or a literal bullet, and others in the in the
Obama administration very loyal, very very loyal, and in the
Reagan administration too, and on both sides, on both sides.
But we'll stay. I mean, I it's if you want

(19:26):
to call it, it's it's. It's sort of like a
president who had a great opportunity printed it away one time,
was able to come back from the political rise from
the political dead like a phoenix, and now it's almost
like Trump all over again.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well, let's hope I as a Republican and as a
Trump voter, I certainly hope he posed through and has
some real successes, not only for him but for the country.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, Okay, as an independent and who voted neither for
Harris nor for Trump, I still hold who of the
president is successful, because if the president is successful, the
country will be successful.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Same.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Thank you very much, Thank you much, my friend. We'll
talk to take a quick break. One line at six one, seven, two,
five four to ten thirty. One line at six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty back on night side.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right after this, if You're on Night Side with Dan
Ray on WZ Boston's news radio.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
We're talking about President Trump's never ending war against Harvard University,
which I think is a little much at this point.
It's becoming almost a personal vendetta. And I don't think
it serves him well. I don't think it serves Harvard well.
Uh And I don't think it serves the cause, frankly,
of getting colleges to understand that they had gone in

(20:45):
a direction where they need to allow true free speech,
uh and and stifle violence that you know, speech is
one thing. Violence is unacceptable. No better, no better advocate
of that position than my friend Harvey silver It. Harvey,
you were next on Nightsacker, Right ahead, Dan, Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
I'm calling for the second time this week. I can't
resist this. Abraham Lincoln famously had in his cabinet every
opponent of his the denomination m hm. He didn't he
didn't mind having different points of view. Donald Trump is

(21:32):
surrounded by yes men. Elon Musk suddenly disagreed with Trump,
and now he's being attacked Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I do think, Harry, I do think, Harvey, that that
some of the people in his cabinet now are are
pretty good. I think Marco Rubio was was confirmed.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
By I'm not saying they're not good. I'm saying that
they all agree with him. They they yes men in
that respect. They may be talented, but the yes.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Men, well, Obama's cabinet was full of yes men. Who
who was in Obama's cabinet took Obama on? I mean
who who?

Speaker 5 (22:11):
I understand?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Who in Kennedy's cabinet took Kennedy on? I mean, I
just think that you can, you can be a good
president with a team of rivals. What you're referring to,
the Doris Currents book Goodwins Current's Goodwin book. Yeah, a
team of Yeah, I'm with you. I'm totally with you
on that. Okay, but he's not the only one who is.

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Who's who had yes people?

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I understand that. Let me let me get to my
point though. Let me get to my point. Mhm. He
doesn't care anything about higher education, he doesn't care about
anti Semitism. He cares about power. He is picking on
America's oldest, wealthiest was prestigious university because if he can

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bring that to heal, he figures everyone else will fold.
Columbia Columbia folded, it's getting what it wants. Harvard has
refused to fold. And what he is doing that he
doesn't care about antisemitis, he doesn't care about anything, doesn't

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care about higher education. He cares about power. He who
wants to bring Harvard to heal.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
His war against him A lot of I think he's
wasting a lot of political capital at a time when
there are more important issues.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I agree with that, but that is the explanation for
this war against Harvard. If Harvard would have caved in tomorrow,
this war would be over.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well, I don't think Harvard's gonna cave and I think that, No,
it's not gonna cave. He's gonna find at the end
of the day.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Some I mean, Harvard will survive. It's only got four
years to go. They have a huge sixty something billion
dollars in doownment. They're going to have to dip into it.
But in the long run, Harvard will be much better off,
regardless of the punishment it takes. It can afford to

(24:18):
take punishment.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, it's it's unnecessary at this point, and I think
it's something agree with you, Yeah, I mean, I don't
understand it. I mean it's it's like.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
What I'm saying you. Yeah, Dan, what I'm saying is,
I think I do understand it. It's about raw power.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, I got your point, and and you had, i know,
crossed swords with him politically in your life as an
attorney representing clients on the other side of the table
from us. So I value your perspective and I don't
disagree with it. Harvey, I gotta keep rolling here. I
got a bunch of calls. Thanks as always for joining us,

(24:58):
even if it is the second time. Sweet Thanks Harvey.
I think we lost we lost the bell. Let me
go to Okay, let me go to Mike and brighton
Mike here next time.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
All Yeah, you know I'm gonna cover both topics at once.
Uh Are you are? You were about news about like
like CNN? Says uh. Two Chinese researchers I charged with
smuggling biological pathoge and to study at University of Michigan Land.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Very very aware of that story.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yep, Yes, I am, well. Uh to me, to me,
to me, that's that's that's the last straw, the the
that that that tells me, that tells me all all
Chinese students who are who are connected to the c
c P need to be kicked, kicked out of Harvard
everywhere and kicked out of the country there.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
They're real danger.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I wouldn't disagree with you on that, Mike, I would
I would be in agreement with you. As a matter
of fact, there was a professor who was a head
of the apartment. I forget which department. I think it
was one of the science departments at Harvard who department right,
who was united served some time here, was released and
he now has a teaching post at a university in China.

(26:19):
That's all I got to need about that. But that's
all I need to know about that guy. He was
living in the Boston suburbs and he was basically spine.
I agree with you. So if he signed a document
today that said he is going to say that it
was you just said that all students coming to not
only Harvard, any university, as you just said, with ties

(26:40):
or suspicions about their relationship with the Chinese Communist Party
will be denied visas and denied entrance into the country.
I'm with you one thousand percent. But he's now talking
about painting with a broad brush. He now wants to
stop everybody.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Okay, okay in that part. Then then there's the Then
there's the anti Semitism, you know, I mean, you know,
the all the all the you know, the the Muslims groups.
I mean again, by the way, you know what, you know,
I lived near this area, and I've seen this for
a second time at cooler at coolest corner, a whole

(27:21):
pile of people with with all of a sudden gathered
with signs free Palestine, gas is, gas is starving, Honks Palestine.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Let me ask you this, Mike. The president of Harvard
is a guy named Alan Garbin. You know what his
what his religious background.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Is probably Jewish?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah. What percentage of Harvard's professors do you think are Jewish?
Pretty probably have the number, but a pretty significant amount.
And many of them were up in arms over what happened. Okay,
And Harvard has indicated to the White House in a
letter of April fifteenth, I believe is a data letter.

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I can go back and check it, in which they
have made a whole bunch of concessions. Okay, you know,
I don't know what he wants. You know, we can
move from Do you think that it's okay.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
To well, I said, I said, I said, well, I said,
the combination to anti semitism plus it's plus threat threat
from China actually killing people with I got.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That, Mike, Mike, I got that. We had a conversation
about that, and I agreed with you on that. Okay,
But now, how do you take the threat of the
c C p uh sending some materials to a to
a graduate student at the University of Michigan. How do
you extrapolate that into a ban on all foreign students,

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all international students at Harvard.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Well, well, well, the the other the non the non
the non Chinese would be then would be the the
the anti Semitism. That's all I would say that.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
So if they're if they're not members of the Communist Party,
and they're foreign students coming to America, they must be
anti Semite.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
You kidding me, You must be. But but but anybody,
but anybody that's found that's found to be you know
that that can be on a case by case basis.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
You've hit it nail on the head. It's on a
case by case basis. You don't go in and and
say we're going to get rid of everybody It's like
if all of a sudden, some neighbor of yours is
arrested for murder, do we say, well, Mike lives in
a bad neighborhood, and there may be other murderers. Let's
go in and arrest everybody in Brighton, and bullet chose

(29:38):
him a murder.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
I mean, well, well, I think what happened there. I mean,
Trump is just pointing outrage, you know, at the at
the Molotov cocktail. You know, you know, maybe he's overreacting
on that one. But I don't think the moltime blame.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
What he should do then, I guess, is he should
have He should have written a uh proclamation or issued
a presidential order preventing any foreign students or anyone from Egypt,
or anyone's whose name was Muhammad, or anyone who whatever
from going to a university in Colorado. I mean, that

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didn't happen. That happened two thousand miles away in Colorado,
not at Harvard. Mike, I think you get my point.
I get yours. I don't think we're ever going to agree,
but I appreciate the gentility of the conversation. Thank you much.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Okay, have a great night.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
We'll be right back on Night's Side. Got a couple
of open lines six one, seven, two, five, four, ten
thirty and one at six one seven, nine, three, one
ten thirty. We're eventually going to talk about the travel ban,
which I think in some cases there are some countries
that I'm favorably inclined towards that. But again, twelve countries

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or now they're talking about possibly twelve countries a full
travel ban and six a limited travel ban. We'll get
to our phone calls right after the break. Let's fill
these lines up. I think it's important for you to
express your opinion tonight, particularly if you've never called this
radio show before.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
We'll be back on Nightside, Night Side, Dan Ray, I'm
WBZ Boston's news Radio.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Okay, back we go. Let me go to Tina in
Rhode Island. Tina, appreciate your patience. You're next on nightsigadhead. Tina.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Oh yes, Jan, this is a great program tonight. All
your callers are in great and this is my take
on on Trump and Havid. First of all, I agree
with some of your other callers HAVEVID is not anti semitic.
And another thing, you know, COVID kind of leans to

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the left, and so Trump is also afraid. He thinks
all these international students who who will come to HAVEVID
or who have been there, He's afraid his in his
paranoid mind, that they are going to end up being

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terrorists and bomb throwers and wanting to bring down the
United States. But the intelligentsia that comes over here from
other countries, that they're not that class. In my opinion,
We're here to get an education. And another thing about Trump.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Let me make let me make it one comment, Okay, okay.
I'm certain that there are people who come to this
country under the cover of a number of ways, including
being a student, who come here with malign intent. Okay,
But that's why we have the FBI, that's why we

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have the CIA, that's why we have the National security agencies.
That's why we have all of the apparatus in this
country which is supposed to help protect us. To find
the people who are coming here with malign intents. Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
And one other thing about Trump is that he's the
kind of person he always says, oh if if if
somebody hurts me, if somebody does something me, I'm gonna
I'm gonna come back ten times. Is worse. Well, hobbit

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is standing up to Trump. You know, Trump doesn't like
it when people stand up to him, and he just
wants to crush Havid.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
All right, Oh so I think you've expressed yourself well.
And I think that he must not have enough confidence
in his own FBI and people who he's appointed to
the head of CIA and the National Security Council. All
of those groups are there to protect us.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Uh. And I don't think paranoid.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
All right, Thanks, Thanks Tina. Okay, just remember they're not
paranoid if they're really after you, right, only kidding, that's
a joke. Go ahead, you have a great night.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Okay, thanks.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Let me go to George, who is in Fitsburg, Massachusetts.
Welcome George, how are you well? If George isn't there,
we're gonna put George on hold and welcome back to George.
And in the meantime, let me go to Francis. Francis,
you are next on nightside. Go right ahead, Francis. Okay,

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that's zero for two. Okay, well it should be there.
Gonna put you on hold. Maybe you can help Francis
figure out which end of the phone. We're gonna go
to Steve in Virginia Beach. I'll bet you Steve is there.
I hope he is.

Speaker 7 (34:38):
Hey, Steve, Hi, Yes, Hi, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
That you're there, Steve. Thanks for calling in. Go right ahead.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah I called.

Speaker 7 (34:47):
I'm a second time.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Caller, all right, but we appreciate your calling. Go right ahead.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
That's all right. And well you were very nice and
I enjoy your show and a lot of what you're hearing.
If you're sirens here in Virginia Beach. Ab outside walking by,
you mentioned you love Cocker spaniels, So I'm kind of
doing it on the spot here phone call. But I
have to agree with a lot of your callers tonight.
And it's sort of like what I mentioned when I

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called last time, which was the Trump's sledgehammer approach. There's
a flea in the house, let's get the sledgehammer out.
And I don't you know he does that with everything.
And you know I mentioned about the big picture last time.
You know, you see, we get caught up on all
these little stories. Well, if you don't have you call
him little, some are big. But you know what I mean.

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But what does this all mean? And I think the
guy that called recently tonight, it's about power from the
administration and that freedoms. You know, I wake up every
morning and I say, okay, what freedoms are now being
threatened today that we didn't hear about yesterday? And sure enough,
you know, this is the travel band and the Harvard.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Will talk about the travel band, I promise you, Steve.
But I'll also tell you that there are some companies
that are on that travel band list that I'm not
happy about having people arriving from those countries right now.
And amongst those countries are and I can I'm gonna
pull them up here. I didn't intend to get to

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them this this quickly. But here's here's some of the
countries that are that are that are would be on
this list. Afghanistan, I'm not looking for anybody coming here
from Afghanistan at this point. Uh Iran, you want people
from Iran coming here right now? Samal Ya Yemen. I mean,
there's a lot of countries around there. Cuba, you know,

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I'm really sorry, but these are countries that that they
don't let their good people leave, they export their bad people.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
I agree to some extent. I mean, I still think
it's a case by case. I think, you know, looking
into who's traveling. But here's the thing. When they had
the Russian travel ban, people would go to other countries
in like North Africa and then travel to the US.
So I don't know if that's going to completely you
know what I mean, maybe they could check with their

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passport what country they started from, but people.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Will conno unless you have I mean, if you're trying
to come here from Iran, I think you may have
a tough time getting a passport in Sweden. I think I.

Speaker 7 (37:29):
Just yeah, so, yeah, yeah, But I'm.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Just saying that. Look, I'm not happy about if there
are people from those countries who really want to get
out and come to America. I'm concerned about those folks.
But at the same time, I got to be careful
if I'm the president of the United States. So the
travel band I have less strong feelings about. And we'll
talk more about that on the other side of the

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ten o'clock news here.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I promise that's true too.

Speaker 7 (37:57):
But you know, can I just do we have a
minute or so.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Or are you going for You gotta be quick, Steve, because.

Speaker 7 (38:03):
Okay, real quickly, this isn't about well like if he's uh,
people coming across the border were wealthy and had crypto.
I think Donald would would you know, want them here.
But it's only the poor people he doesn't like really,
and of course the dangerous people too. But whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Well, I don't know how many people are coming in
from Afghanistan with you know, fifty million dollars. I mean,
i'd be.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
Well, that's it, that's it if they were.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, I think we got to look real carefully. We've
lost a lot of people. Look what happened to the
people with this guy who wove States visa from UH
from Egypt. The bottom line is the last four years
it's been the wild wild West. It's it's going to
get a little tough to clean it up UH. And
I will support him when he when he tries to
clean it up correctly, but I'll also criticize him when

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I think he denies people rights and is expending his
political capital improperly.

Speaker 7 (38:59):
Steph, I agree. I agree with a lot what you said,
just case by case would be more Christian and everything.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
Thank you. See you've got to go all right, You're welcome,
great coming back.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Okay for those of you in the line, Dean, George
and Christian, you stay right there. I don't know why
we lost those other callers, but we'll make sure that
we get them all set ready to go. On the
other side of the ten o'clock News