June 16, 2025 • 36 mins
In a stunning move, the Boston Red Sox traded three-time All-Star Rafael Devers to the San Francisco Giants for four players. Red Sox Nation is NOT happy about the move…Why did the Sox trade Devers just two years after giving him a $313.5 million contract to be the face of the franchise? We discussed the drama between Devers and the Red Sox Clubhouse that might have contributed to the trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, it's a big story, and it's a story that
Dan Watkins and.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I just talked about.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you very much, Dan for not only the newscast
but also for the interview. At eight forty five, Dan
was covering a news conference today, the Red Sox have
parted ways with Raffie Devers. It's well, Dan Shaughnessy's piece
in the Globe today headline Devers good vibes are gone.
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This is not going to play well in Red Sox nation.
It's shocking and demoralizing. I agree with Dan Shaughnessy. I
don't get this, I really don't. I'm sure there are
some of you out there who have an explanation. The
Red Sox apparently held a news conference last or they
did hold a news conference. Dan Watkins was monitoring that
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for all of us. Sam Kennedy, the president of the
Red Sox, an affable guy who I think does a
great job representing this team as a as a public face.
The president of the Red Sox, and Craig Breslow. I
don't know Breslow. I know Kennedy a little bit. Breslow
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bright Guye out of Yale, left handed reliever in the
big leagues, and they're you know, long time baseball people.
But I would think that you could have gotten more
for Raffie Deevers, particularly as you got towards the towards
the trade deadline in late July. And the reason I
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say that is if a team was a couple of
games out of the playoffs, those would be the teams
who would really want to get involved. Or if there
was a team there was just a couple of games ahead,
they might like to solidify their position. Bottom line is
that Raffi Devers uh is no longer a Red Sox.
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I think most of you know the backstory that over
time Devors uh fell into disfavor let's put it like that,
into disfavor with with the Red Sox that Uh there
they they they they went, and they got Alex Bragman,
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great baseball player, a little older than Devers by the way,
but great baseball players, baseball player, and Devs all of
a sudden lost his position uh as as a Red
Sox third baseman, which of course is pretty discouraging if
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you're if you're Raffie Devers. Now there's a lot of
guys who you know, finished their career as a designated hitter,
and Raffie Devers started the season horribly, just horribly, but
has come on in the last two months or two
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months plus and has played really well.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
As a matter of fact, yesterday hit a home run
off of the.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yankee aceh Max Freed, And so that's kind of I
think interesting that he's he's done well. You heard Dan
Watkins explain that they wanted to play for a space
and that Sam Kennedy used the word they they couldn't get.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
In alignment with with the player.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, he's making a lot of money, and I can
see with the Red Sox were upset. John Henry, the
owner of the Red Sox, along with Sam Kennedy, flew
out and had a meeting with Devers in Kansas City
earlier this year to try to sell will calm the waters. Well,
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that meeting apparently didn't work. Uh and uh it is
beginning to appear that no matter what effort was made, UH,
they were not going to come to an agreement. And
as a consequence, Raffie Devers is now a member of
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the San Francisco Giants and a huge, huge loss for
the Red Sox. Now, the Red Sox has some good players,
and they have good players coming up. Okay, they absolutely
have have good players coming up. Uh And and they'll
have their tough times like anyone else.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But to lose a guy like Devers.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He was the heart of this team, really was the
heart of this team. And to lose him at this
point in the year, when the when the team just
started to be to turn themselves around kind of shocking
to me anyway. And I'd love to know what do
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you think? Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
If you're a Red Sox fan, Uh, love to hear
what you would you would think. I think it's it's
a it's a tough pill to swallow because they were
they were starting to pull get their act together, just
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the only way to describe it. So, if you're a
Red Sox fan, if you think that that Rivers was
was a guy who was causing problems within the clubhouse,
I don't think so. I mean, just from looking from afar,
he was doing his job. He did have that ground
ball what about a week ago that he didn't will
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run out, which is the only time and maybe he's
done at other times. But the only time that I
thought he acted unprofessionally. He started down the line. You
almost thought, well, maybe he pulled up, you know, he
pulled a hammy or something like that. But no, he
definitely slowed down. And you can see Cora kind of
barking at him as coraic as he headed back to
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the dugout that was in New York during the Achy series.
Now they did want well, they won two down there,
then they swept New York. Here Aaron Judge looked terrible
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Rafi.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Deveres looked fine when Rafi. When Devis started, if you
remember the first eighteen at bats, I think he struck
out something like fourteen times, had one hit. Well, he's
now back to the old Raffie Devers. The Red Sox
play in Seattle, to play in San Francisco this weekend,
so there will be a reunion of Devers in the
Red Sox this weekend. Devers, I'm not sure if he's
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going to be in the lineup tonight. The Giants are
hosting the Cleveland Guardians tonight in San Francisco, so we'll
have to I'll check that lineup when it Well, it's
nine forty. I'm not sure if that's nine forty five
their time or nine forty I guess it's nine forty
five our time.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
We'll have to check and see if that game is underway.
We can do that during the break, But in the meantime,
I'll love to hear from you if you're a baseball fan.
This is pretty dispiriting. I don't see what they got
back for Devors. They obviously offloaded a lot of salary.
In baseball parliamce sometimes that's a salary dump. So they
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have freed up about two hundred and fifty million dollars
in salary that they were committed to pay Devers, which
now will be paid by the Giants or whoever else
the Giants my trade devors too. The argument that I
heard made today, which I thought was pretty compelling, was
wait until the trade deadline. That would be the time
where you could probably get maximum value for because there's
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always five or six teams who are there, and they're
just that one player away. There's one player away for
the last third of the season, is what it comes
down to. So the numbers and six, one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty and six one seven, nine, three one
ten thirty. We don't do a lot of sports here
on night side, but I'm a pretty good baseball guy,
and you can talk to me, Okay. I understand the
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game pretty well, followed it my entire life for a
long time. Had lots of friends who played in the
major leagues, So I understand. It's a tough business, and
it is a business. It's a business to the owners,
it's a business to the players, and it's the businesses
for the general managers too, because if the team does well,
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the general manager stays for a couple more years. We've
seen in the last few a few years, you know,
uh names like you know, Dave Dombrowski and Ben Sherrington,
who have you know gone gone and moved on theo
Epstein before that. It's not a long term position. The
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only long term GM and baseball is for us I
know of any duration is Brian Cashman, the Yankees general manager.
But after the weekend the Yankees had I suspect maybe
the weekend that they had the there's zero zero with
the Angels tonight at the eighth inning, the Yankees just
are not hitting. It's as simple as that. They've gone
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now four games and scored probably a total of three
runs if I if I'm calculating correctly, so they are
right for the taking. Are the Red Sox up for
the job without Raffie Devers?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's the question?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Six one seme on right back on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
We don't do sports here every night. This is not
a sports show. But I understand baseball.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And I enjoy baseball. I think it's of all the games.
Certainly I like hockey too, But I'm a baseball guy
at heart, and this one doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. So let's let's see. Let's see what
do you think of it. Maybe some of you can
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explain to me why it's a brilliant move.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Let's see what John in Weymouth thinks. Hey, John, Raffie devastraatee,
what where would you put this in the pantheon of
Red Sox trades?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Dan good to be good to be on Night Side,
of course, so you taking my call. But Dan, if
I'm missed to Henry and as you hit the nail
on the head, this guy devis he works for the
Red Sox Corporation, correct.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
The boss me ask him, not only be a great
designated hitter, Davis, would you be kind enough to play
third base? And he says no, I'm paying your two
hundred million dollars, which I'd like to play first base.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I think it's actually about it. In total, it's about
three hundred and thirty million.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Okay, well, I'm an orthopedic surgeon, and that's ridiculous. Okay, Hey,
someone pays someone to play baseball for three hundred million
dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Is that capitalism? Capitalism is a wonderful thing. Could you
hit the curveball?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Doc? Doctor?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Can you hit the curveball? That's the that's the problem
that you and I both have.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Is it me or not?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
But I'm mister Henry. I asked this guy that works
for me to go ahead and do something that I'd
like to have him do. Okay he tells me no.
He tells me no, Okay, so I'd fire him. I'd
fire him too.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, here's my question, a doctor, uh and delighted that
the surgeon will call my my my program, I'm honored.
So my question is this, Yeah, No, here's my question.
My question is you make a decision, and you say,
you know what, we can't deal with this guy anymore.
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He's right, he's a he's a he's a problem in
the clubhouse. Let's say that. Okay, so we're going to
get rid of him. Is this the best You're going
to get? A couple of pictures who have had physical
injuries and control problems, and a couple of minor leaguers.
They gave them away. They gave them away. You haven't
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you have an asset in your portfolio?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
If if you had some stock stock in your portfolio
there was worth one thousand dollars a share and you had,
you know, five thousand shares, would you sell that sell
that stock to me for two dollars a year?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Not no. But Dan, let me ask you this question. Yeah,
let's say let's say let's say you own the Red Sox, right,
and you asked and you asked Devers to do a
certain job, right, And he said, and he said, no,
how would you handle that? How would you handle that?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Well? I got to be honest with you. The backstory.
You have to understand.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
He comes to spring training as the Red Sox third baseman.
Now again, he's not Brooks Robinson as a fresh fielder,
but he's an adequate third baseman. Uh, And they said
to him, no, you're going to be the DH. Well,
it turns out that Alex Bregman, who's kind of the
new kid on the block, and by the way, is
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older than Devers. They they sign him for third base. Okay,
so they tell Devers you're going to be the DH. Well,
guess why all of a sudden, Brigman gets hurt. Uh.
And apparently they say we want you to go to
third base and he says, no, you told me I'm
a designated hitter.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
So yeah, yeah, I can understand that too. But at
the same time, you're paying this guy no no idea
what someone said, Hey, Dan, we're gonna give you a
three hundred million dollars to stay at w b Z.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I would consider that seriously, very seriously. God John, I
appreciate the call, doctor, doctor John.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Took.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, you're you're underpaid whatever you do? What what what
folks in the medical field do. They're all underpaid as
far as I'm concerned. Thank you so much for your time.
Good night, All right, let me get you got room
here for Tony yeah, we'll give it a shot. Six
one seven two Tony and Epping, New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Tony. You're a Red Sox fan.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Big Red Sox fan, and you know, I think there
is a little a little going on on both ends.
I mean, you know, you were a professional. You get
paid to do a job. You know this this guy
was electric. He had the potential of you know, this
exit velocity with his just acumen and the way that
he approached the plate and the way that he had
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the offense that he you know, had for the overall team.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You lose that.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
I thought this guy was going to be a potential
home run King actually invested in a lot of his cards,
and I was like, oh, jeezus, this guy isn't pulling
off thirty five to forty like I thought. But he's
still doing pretty bang up excellent. You know, I think
when when you're playing a sport and they say, hey,
you know, play third base or whatever, I can see
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him not wanting to go back after pregnant hurts. He's like, well,
you know, my culture may dictate that I'm going to
be possibly a little more tough headed than I should be,
or my actions are going to act that way as well.
And I'm just going to be a little bit like
pig headed, you know, and I think that doesn't go
well with ownership. And they didn't want it to spread
like a tumor, you know, and that just where they
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said they're gonta cut tithes. But you know what this
these ownership groups are so diversified, with so many other
interests in the Socks that he's more caring about his
frigin soccer team, right, he really cares about the Red
Sox going independant race. I mean, they actually can make
a run rate now when you're y because you've gotta
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pay some friggin dude from whatever Manchester United or whatever
other place is gonna pay for him and be like, oh,
we're gonna get this guy. It's it's the interest of diversified,
no focus on the Socks. They don't look like the
ownership team besides Bruslo whatever that is in the GM
spot right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well yeah, yeah, let me help. Let me help you
out with your stats, which I think are good. He
had a horrible first week of the season, we all
know that, right, but he already he now has and
they they're just at they're like seventy three games, they're
not even at the halfway mark.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay, so he hit the brake. He's he's got.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Fifteen homers, which which puts him on a trajectory for
at least thirty probably thirty five. He's got at this
point fifty eight RBIs. He's going to have one hundred
and thirty RBIs with the Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay, but that that goes out the door. That's tough
to replace, tough to replace.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Let's say let's say he's fifteen percent of your offense.
I don't know, there's numbers is probably somebody would call
up on that, right, but whatever, it would be out
of the lineup right for however many runs or whatever
that stat he gets right for that, like, you're not
replacing it with two arms like a water be arm
and it may be arm in middle relief. And then
two prospects like oh it was a first draft pick
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last year. Then why did he do well? You know,
like you know you have a little bit uptick time,
but you know you're got to be thrown to the
fire in this league and just kind of run with it.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, look at what look at what they got for
for bets I mean, uh for Doogal is long gone.
No Wong is now a backup catcher, backup catcher. And
then they had a uh a kid who's who's had
the same last name as Jeter. He's he's washed out
of baseball, Jeter Downs. Jeter Downs was the shortstop if
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he was supposed to going to.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Be Bogarts, right, how about Bogarts his approach to the plate,
his acuim in his way. If every you know what,
taking pitches, wearing pitchers down like fn an opportunity, Sure
bets he'd be on first piece he's at second. Now
you gotta runner and scoring position like right off the bat,
you know, so you know we're losing out of that.
Devra's home run ball. Wish he came into camp a
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little bit in better shape. You know you're coming like
you already know you might be at the age. Yeah,
I mean, I hear you, I hear you. Well, I
mean you don't take three weeks to get in shape.
The other the other thing, ready.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
The other thing too is look this, by the way,
I was mistaken. The Giants aren't playing tonight. They play Cleveland.
They opened up tomorrow and it's the Red Sox who
are playing out in Seattle tonight.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Deps was was a guy who, to the.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Best of my knowledge, they all get banged up, but
he's never had.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
A serious injury.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Pretty sturdy guy, and you know you could count on
him for one hundred and fifty five games a year.
That's a lot of production. I don't know, we'll see.
The thing that's great about baseball, right is the end
of the season. You see where they are. They happen
to trade him. Uh while they had just won five
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in a row for the first time this season, and
they had swept the Yankees, swept him on a Fenway Park.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Right off, and then come.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
On, they pulled they pulled them, I think off the plane.
They said that they the deal finally was done. They
pulled him off the plane and he had to take
a cab, a cab back to Fedway. I don't know
if you saw the video then Channel five had, but
he gets out of this little cab.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know, it's like, well, I'm sure he'll be treated
royally in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Not a way to treat him. I would say, there's
a little bit of shade on both sides, to tell
you the truth, But you know, one thing I would
say is if you get an opportunity to play first,
or you're a professional, and they say you got to
go back to third, maybe a response would be like,
all right, I'll be ready. You know, it's just I mean,
he went from a very bad third baseman to a
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mid range to you know, maybe a shade up or
he worked on it.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You know, yeah I did.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah right, you know, so you know what things happen.
You know, there's only a TV's going for a backup
pree job or a wide receiver or corners all the
time in safeties like that's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I'll tell you this, there aren't too many guys in
the game who have his inate ability to hit a baseball.
I remember the first time I saw him playing at Patucket,
I think it was in twenty seventeen, and first time
in the baddest box. He just looked at me and said,
this guy's different. There's something about the way he carries himself,
and he's just hitting the line drives. So we'll say,
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we'll say it's a long season. We still have more
than half of the season ago. So this is one
of those experiments in a peatfre dish we're all going
to be able to watch between now and the end
of September.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Tony, appreciate you calling.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Good, Thank you real quick. I'll say I was not
happy about it. That's what I wanted to tell you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Okay, I think that's pretty obvious, right, Thank you, Thank you, Tony.
Of a great one. I got some lines available. We're
talking about the Raffie Devonstraate, Devonstright. Now, look, I can
talk baseball, trust me that I can talk. I can
take you back to I'll take you back to the
nineteen fifties Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Uh and and of course historically even beyond that. Okay,
So I do get it. I understand it. I think
this is a dangerous move. I don't see how the
Red Sox improve, and they are going to have There's
some guys, I don't know, someone speculating this, maybe the
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three rookies. They're not going back down. Campbell and Mayor
and Anthony. They're there for the ride. It's as simple
as that the pitching isn't bad. That the pitching has
actually come around.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
The bullpen's pretty good. I saw that Slayton today has
a problem with his neck.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But you know, you rest the guy up and he'll
be come back a little stronger. Sometimes an injury to
a pitcher during the season actually helps the pitcher because
the arms, the arm gets to get refreshed. So that
might work fine. But I just look at the lineup
and I'm thinking, Okay, let's see what happens. We'll see
what happens starting built tonight. Uh in Seattle. They're facing
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a pretty good picture in Seattle tonight. Let's see what happens.
Maybe they'll score fifteen runs. Okay, six one seven, two thirty, six,
one seven, nine thirty. Let's light him up. We're gonna
go with this until ten o'clock.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And no further. It's one hour max.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
And if I'm gonna talk my way through the balance
of the hour, I can talk baseball for an hour.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I can.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I can bring you back to the days of Gene
Stevens and Carol Hardy and people like that of the
Red Sox outfield, or people like Eddie Pursued and Don
Budden and my great friend Ted Lepsio, who was actually
a really fine player for the Red Sox in the
nineteen fifties. We'll come back on nightside right after this
Let's talk baseball and Raffie Devers.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right, we're talking a little baseball. Raffie Devers is gone.
Here's Bill in New York.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Bill. I'm not sure if you're.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A Yankee fan, but I bet you're probably pretty happy
to see Raffie Devers playing in the National League.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well, i'll tell you. I'm I'm a Boston fan, Okay,
born in New York but left very early, and I'm
a Red Sox fan through and through.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Yeah, I'll tell you. I think it was the best
move the Red Sox made.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You were going to be in a definite minority.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Tell me why.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Well, you were talking about the trade coming up soon.
Get rid of him before you can't get rid of them,
And get rid of the two hundred and fifty million
left on his salary or his contract, and get somebody
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or some other people that could come in and do
a little bit of what he did. But if you have,
we go back to Beckett in the in the in
the locker room or the clubhouse with the beers and
chicken fried chicken.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, you got you gotta get rid of the.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Cancer I think he was making. He was he was
creating a problem within the organization, and I think they
got rid of him just in time before he corrupted
a lot of other people.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay, that's a different that's a different take. And I'm
sure Craig Breslow is listening. He's happy to hear that.
I don't know what. Look he has always been Has
he ever been a problem child with this organization for
the eight years he's played here.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
No, But I'll tell you, like like your last call
has said. You know, if mister Henry says, hey, I
need you to do this, and he says, no, you
made me a DH. I need you to do this. No,
you made me a DH. And that's what I'm doing
when I hit the ball. Well, you're not hitting the
ball all that well all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And are the country the guy has? The guy has
fifty eight RBIs they're not halfway through the season. That
puts him on the track for about one hundred and
thirty RBIs. That's not a bad year. Thirty five home
rounds not bad?
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Is it worth two hundred and fifty million this.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Day and age?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It very well might be very well by the way
they play. They're paid a lot of people a lot
of money. I mean, you know, what do you want
him to do? You know, play for half the price?
I don't know you you're oh, I understand the point
you're making. You either remember the team or you're not,
is what you're saying to me. And I I generally
buy into that philosophy.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Yeah, you know, I'm a veteran of the army and
and I always, uh, I was brought up you do
what you're gonna do for the whole team.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Oh no, I get it. And you weren't.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You weren't making anywhere near three hundred and thirty million
when you're in the army.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I'm getting I know that.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
No, no, no. When I when I got out on
ninety six, I think my monthly salary was uh nine
and ninety eight dollars for the month.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Wow? Uh what what was what was your rank? H?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
E four E four E four?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, fair enough, Look, thank you for your service, and
thank you for your call. This is a really thoughtful
phone call. And let's see how it works out. To me,
if the Red Sox get rolling here and they they
they make the playoffs, everyone's going to look back on
this as the trade for when they traded Nomar Gassia Para. Uh.
If you remember back in two thousand and four, Gaussian
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Para was kind of hurt, wasn't particularly playing well, And
that was the game that Jeter leaped into the stands.
He looked like Superman going into the stands to catch
a foul ball. And all of a sudden, people were
looking at Gassia Para and Jeter and saying, boy, I
wish we had Jeter. And they traded Gassia Para and
I thought that he was a pretty good player. But
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they won the pennant that year and they won the
World Series. So if they replicate that feat this year,
they're going to look back on the demonstrade and say,
not a bad deal.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
If I got one other thing to say, Dan, if
you don't mind, I was. I was at Fenway Park
when they had the Jerry Remi day when they gave
out the the patches or the number number two I
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ride motorcycle. I put that on my vest and I
was up in New York and I had a guy
I'm gassing up my bike. I had a guy say
to me, hey, I knew Jerry Remy. He'd be so
proud of you wearing that number two.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It was.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, Remy.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Remy was a local guy, grew up at Somerset and
he made it. He made it for the Red Sox,
not only as a player, pretty good second basement, but
a great sidekick announcer, color guy. Absolutely, Thank you, Belle,
appreciate you call very much. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Dan, call anytime.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
We'll take a quick break. Coming right back on night Side.
The only lines open right now are six one, seven.
I got Tim, Bob and Joe.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
If I get through them, I might be able to
get to you. If you call six months, the nine, three,
ten thirty back on Nightside. We will change topics at
ten o'clock that, I promise you, and we're going to
be talking with the Israeli console General here in New England.
My guest is a console general, uh Benny SHARONI. And
we're going to talk about the Middle East for a
little bit, and then we're going to talk about violence,
(29:18):
political violence in America. Too much of it and too
many people are quiet in the wake of it. Coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, let's keep rolling.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
He's going to go to Tim and Ruber and Tim,
what do you think about the Rapie devonstrate.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Well, I'll tell you Raffie Devils is a great ballplayer.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
He can hit, no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
He can wake up at three o'clock in the morning
and hit.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Anything with the trade, with the trade. I don't know
if you know this, but yeah, right, number eighth of
the sock h His grandson plays in San Francisco night.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh no, that Mike absolutely sure played Clay in the
college ball down down south.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
He was he was playing at Vanderbilt really and the
first time he played a Samway Park, Yas was there
and his mother and father were there, and he hit
a home run.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yep, I think he had about the first pitch that.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I think Yas had the ability to throw out the
first pitch that day.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
He Now. I'm a big baseball man. I played baseball, football, baseball,
ran track. But this isn't about me. It's about Rafiel
Devis Now. I think his contract is for two hundred
and eighty four million guaranteed three thirty.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Three thirty yep, and they've already gone through it a
couple of years. So this I think it's two fifty
is left. So the Giants have assumed two hundred and
fifty million dollars to pay off.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
The balance of his contract.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Jewelmber the movie with Tom Who's and Cuba Goodies Junior,
show me the money?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
Sure they're showing them the money. Good for them, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The Red Sox decided to get rid of them. It's
a big gamble for the Red Sox. I don't think
they got much in return, so we'll we'll have to
see how it works out. If the Red Sox play
better baseball in the second half of the season, then
it'll be considered a success. If they don't, it will
be considered a mistake.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Right.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I think they got two pitches, right, young guys. Baseball
is eighty five percent nine percent pitching. And anyhow, and
the long one I love Cora Cora anyhow, and the
long one. We'll see what the pitching does.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, we'll see both. Neither of them have been outstanding.
They're oh, they're they're they're they're a couple of pitchers.
But you know, we'll have to see. I mean, let's
see what happens by the end of the season, and
we will. We'll do something on this sometime towards the
end of September. Hey, Tim, thanks so much for the
call as always, my friend, Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
And can I say one more thing? Sure, go ahead,
and yeah, I called you on your OFFI a number
on Bob's Day and I said, Happy Father's Day. You're
a great father.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I was. I was about to thank you for that
that message. I appreciated him right back at you, Tim, Okay, thank.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You, my friend.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Keep up a good work. Thank you, talk to you.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Let's keep rolling. He gonna go to Bob in California.
Bob is not a raffie Devers guy. I don't think,
Hey Bob next to a nightside haw wayre.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
You Dan doing well? Hope you're doing okay too.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hope you are great.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
To hear your voice, thank you.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Likewise, yes, and you're correct, And the bottom line is okay.
Devers is lucky, very lucky. So the guy like me
is not general manager. It's not Craig Brizil because I
would have called him in and said, okay, you're refusing
to be d h and then recently, he refused to
play for a space and I would have said to him, you,
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just what did your contract? Because you're refusing to play
the contract is voided and I want to cut him.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, you would have saved two hundred and fifty dollars,
I guess, assuming that the Major League Baseball Players Association
didn't sue you, but you probably bought yourself a lawsuit.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Persol did the right thing. In my opinion, he did
the right thing. Just get rid of him. I agree
with the New York caller, he's a cancer. Okay. The
player does not decide. They don't decide where they play.
Imagine if players, Imagine if all twenty five players every
night decided, oh, I'm going to play this position or
that position. Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
There's there's a lot of there's a lot of support
for Craig Breslow here on the program. I think I
think the majority of the callers are are not favorably
inclined towards mister Devers.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Devers. The New York caller is right, Devers is a
cancer to the team. Good luck to the Giants. Okay,
different sport. But Bill Black, oh, he schoosed to talk
about teamwork. Okay, and if you're not me oriented, and
that includes members of the Boston Red Sox, get rid
of them.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Shut all right, thank you, Bob. Talk soon about soon
there you Okay, Joe and Belmont, Joe, you're gonna wrap
the our office.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Go ahead, Joe'll only be seventy seconds. I think the
trade is going to hurt the Red Sox offense. And
I got a trivia question, Jim Womberg nineteen sixty seven.
Who were the three Red Sox second basement and they
were all good hitters.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Reggie Smith here was an on field opening He was
the opening day second Basement in nineteen sixty seven. Mike Andrews.
You asked for three names, so I'm gonna give you
Red Smith, Mike Andrews. And I'm not sure who the
third one was. Who's the third one?
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Chuck showing Jerry no.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
No no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Shilling came up and see with Yastremsky played two years
with the Red Sox, was out of baseball by sixty
three and ended up as a teacher. And when the
Red Sox opened the nineteen sixty seven season, Chuck Shilling
was teaching at a Long Island High school.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
I saw Jim Bunny pitch you no hitro like you did.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Fifty eight against the Red Sox. Yeah, Tigers against against
for the Tigers against the Red Sox. Ted Williams was
the last hitter. Flew out to al k Line.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
I got L K lines autograph. You know how he
signed his name, yep O K K and a line, right,
I got it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's a good one. Don't leave, don't lose that one.
That's a Hall of Fame one. Hey, Joe, great call.
I love your questions. Double check yourself on Chuck Shilling.
He was done by sixty three or sixty four. Might
have gotten half a season with the Mets.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Jesus loves you, Dan, I know that.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I know that. Thank you, Joe, appreciate it very much.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
God Puss right back at you.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Good night.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, we've done with this. When we get back on
the other side, we're going to be talking with the
Israeli Console General Benny Sharon SHARONI about what's going on
between Israel and Iran. And I think most of you
know whose side I'm on on that one, and I
hope most of you are on the same side, we'll
be back on night side with Consul General Benni Sharoni
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right after the ten o'clock news here on Nightside,
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, it's a big story, and it's a story that
Dan Watkins and.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I just talked about.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you very much, Dan for not only the newscast
but also for the interview. At eight forty five, Dan
was covering a news conference today, the Red Sox have
parted ways with Raffie Devers. It's well, Dan Shaughnessy's piece
in the Globe today headline Devers good vibes are gone.
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This is not going to play well in Red Sox nation.
It's shocking and demoralizing. I agree with Dan Shaughnessy. I
don't get this, I really don't. I'm sure there are
some of you out there who have an explanation. The
Red Sox apparently held a news conference last or they
did hold a news conference. Dan Watkins was monitoring that
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for all of us. Sam Kennedy, the president of the
Red Sox, an affable guy who I think does a
great job representing this team as a as a public face.
The president of the Red Sox, and Craig Breslow. I
don't know Breslow. I know Kennedy a little bit. Breslow
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bright Guye out of Yale, left handed reliever in the
big leagues, and they're you know, long time baseball people.
But I would think that you could have gotten more
for Raffie Deevers, particularly as you got towards the towards
the trade deadline in late July. And the reason I
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say that is if a team was a couple of
games out of the playoffs, those would be the teams
who would really want to get involved. Or if there
was a team there was just a couple of games ahead,
they might like to solidify their position. Bottom line is
that Raffi Devers uh is no longer a Red Sox.
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I think most of you know the backstory that over
time Devors uh fell into disfavor let's put it like that,
into disfavor with with the Red Sox that Uh there
they they they they went, and they got Alex Bragman,
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great baseball player, a little older than Devers by the way,
but great baseball players, baseball player, and Devs all of
a sudden lost his position uh as as a Red
Sox third baseman, which of course is pretty discouraging if
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you're if you're Raffie Devers. Now there's a lot of
guys who you know, finished their career as a designated hitter,
and Raffie Devers started the season horribly, just horribly, but
has come on in the last two months or two
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months plus and has played really well.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
As a matter of fact, yesterday hit a home run
off of the.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yankee aceh Max Freed, And so that's kind of I
think interesting that he's he's done well. You heard Dan
Watkins explain that they wanted to play for a space
and that Sam Kennedy used the word they they couldn't get.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
In alignment with with the player.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, he's making a lot of money, and I can
see with the Red Sox were upset. John Henry, the
owner of the Red Sox, along with Sam Kennedy, flew
out and had a meeting with Devers in Kansas City
earlier this year to try to sell will calm the waters. Well,
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that meeting apparently didn't work. Uh and uh it is
beginning to appear that no matter what effort was made, UH,
they were not going to come to an agreement. And
as a consequence, Raffie Devers is now a member of
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the San Francisco Giants and a huge, huge loss for
the Red Sox. Now, the Red Sox has some good players,
and they have good players coming up. Okay, they absolutely
have have good players coming up. Uh And and they'll
have their tough times like anyone else.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But to lose a guy like Devers.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He was the heart of this team, really was the
heart of this team. And to lose him at this
point in the year, when the when the team just
started to be to turn themselves around kind of shocking
to me anyway. And I'd love to know what do
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you think? Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
If you're a Red Sox fan, Uh, love to hear
what you would you would think. I think it's it's
a it's a tough pill to swallow because they were
they were starting to pull get their act together, just
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the only way to describe it. So, if you're a
Red Sox fan, if you think that that Rivers was
was a guy who was causing problems within the clubhouse,
I don't think so. I mean, just from looking from afar,
he was doing his job. He did have that ground
ball what about a week ago that he didn't will
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run out, which is the only time and maybe he's
done at other times. But the only time that I
thought he acted unprofessionally. He started down the line. You
almost thought, well, maybe he pulled up, you know, he
pulled a hammy or something like that. But no, he
definitely slowed down. And you can see Cora kind of
barking at him as coraic as he headed back to
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the dugout that was in New York during the Achy series.
Now they did want well, they won two down there,
then they swept New York. Here Aaron Judge looked terrible
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Rafi.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Deveres looked fine when Rafi. When Devis started, if you
remember the first eighteen at bats, I think he struck
out something like fourteen times, had one hit. Well, he's
now back to the old Raffie Devers. The Red Sox
play in Seattle, to play in San Francisco this weekend,
so there will be a reunion of Devers in the
Red Sox this weekend. Devers, I'm not sure if he's
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going to be in the lineup tonight. The Giants are
hosting the Cleveland Guardians tonight in San Francisco, so we'll
have to I'll check that lineup when it Well, it's
nine forty. I'm not sure if that's nine forty five
their time or nine forty I guess it's nine forty
five our time.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
We'll have to check and see if that game is underway.
We can do that during the break, But in the meantime,
I'll love to hear from you if you're a baseball fan.
This is pretty dispiriting. I don't see what they got
back for Devors. They obviously offloaded a lot of salary.
In baseball parliamce sometimes that's a salary dump. So they
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have freed up about two hundred and fifty million dollars
in salary that they were committed to pay Devers, which
now will be paid by the Giants or whoever else
the Giants my trade devors too. The argument that I
heard made today, which I thought was pretty compelling, was
wait until the trade deadline. That would be the time
where you could probably get maximum value for because there's
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always five or six teams who are there, and they're
just that one player away. There's one player away for
the last third of the season, is what it comes
down to. So the numbers and six, one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty and six one seven, nine, three one
ten thirty. We don't do a lot of sports here
on night side, but I'm a pretty good baseball guy,
and you can talk to me, Okay. I understand the
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game pretty well, followed it my entire life for a
long time. Had lots of friends who played in the
major leagues, So I understand. It's a tough business, and
it is a business. It's a business to the owners,
it's a business to the players, and it's the businesses
for the general managers too, because if the team does well,
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the general manager stays for a couple more years. We've
seen in the last few a few years, you know,
uh names like you know, Dave Dombrowski and Ben Sherrington,
who have you know gone gone and moved on theo
Epstein before that. It's not a long term position. The
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only long term GM and baseball is for us I
know of any duration is Brian Cashman, the Yankees general manager.
But after the weekend the Yankees had I suspect maybe
the weekend that they had the there's zero zero with
the Angels tonight at the eighth inning, the Yankees just
are not hitting. It's as simple as that. They've gone
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now four games and scored probably a total of three
runs if I if I'm calculating correctly, so they are
right for the taking. Are the Red Sox up for
the job without Raffie Devers?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's the question?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Six one seme on right back on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
We don't do sports here every night. This is not
a sports show. But I understand baseball.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And I enjoy baseball. I think it's of all the games.
Certainly I like hockey too, But I'm a baseball guy
at heart, and this one doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. So let's let's see. Let's see what
do you think of it. Maybe some of you can
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explain to me why it's a brilliant move.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Let's see what John in Weymouth thinks. Hey, John, Raffie devastraatee,
what where would you put this in the pantheon of
Red Sox trades?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Dan good to be good to be on Night Side,
of course, so you taking my call. But Dan, if
I'm missed to Henry and as you hit the nail
on the head, this guy devis he works for the
Red Sox Corporation, correct.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
The boss me ask him, not only be a great
designated hitter, Davis, would you be kind enough to play
third base? And he says no, I'm paying your two
hundred million dollars, which I'd like to play first base.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I think it's actually about it. In total, it's about
three hundred and thirty million.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Okay, well, I'm an orthopedic surgeon, and that's ridiculous. Okay, Hey,
someone pays someone to play baseball for three hundred million
dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Is that capitalism? Capitalism is a wonderful thing. Could you
hit the curveball?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Doc? Doctor?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Can you hit the curveball? That's the that's the problem
that you and I both have.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Is it me or not?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
But I'm mister Henry. I asked this guy that works
for me to go ahead and do something that I'd
like to have him do. Okay he tells me no.
He tells me no, Okay, so I'd fire him. I'd
fire him too.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, here's my question, a doctor, uh and delighted that
the surgeon will call my my my program, I'm honored.
So my question is this, Yeah, No, here's my question.
My question is you make a decision, and you say,
you know what, we can't deal with this guy anymore.
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He's right, he's a he's a he's a problem in
the clubhouse. Let's say that. Okay, so we're going to
get rid of him. Is this the best You're going
to get? A couple of pictures who have had physical
injuries and control problems, and a couple of minor leaguers.
They gave them away. They gave them away. You haven't
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you have an asset in your portfolio?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
If if you had some stock stock in your portfolio
there was worth one thousand dollars a share and you had,
you know, five thousand shares, would you sell that sell
that stock to me for two dollars a year?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Not no. But Dan, let me ask you this question. Yeah,
let's say let's say let's say you own the Red Sox, right,
and you asked and you asked Devers to do a
certain job, right, And he said, and he said, no,
how would you handle that? How would you handle that?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Well? I got to be honest with you. The backstory.
You have to understand.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
He comes to spring training as the Red Sox third baseman.
Now again, he's not Brooks Robinson as a fresh fielder,
but he's an adequate third baseman. Uh, And they said
to him, no, you're going to be the DH. Well,
it turns out that Alex Bregman, who's kind of the
new kid on the block, and by the way, is
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older than Devers. They they sign him for third base. Okay,
so they tell Devers you're going to be the DH. Well,
guess why all of a sudden, Brigman gets hurt. Uh.
And apparently they say we want you to go to
third base and he says, no, you told me I'm
a designated hitter.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
So yeah, yeah, I can understand that too. But at
the same time, you're paying this guy no no idea
what someone said, Hey, Dan, we're gonna give you a
three hundred million dollars to stay at w b Z.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I would consider that seriously, very seriously. God John, I
appreciate the call, doctor, doctor John.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Took.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, you're you're underpaid whatever you do? What what what
folks in the medical field do. They're all underpaid as
far as I'm concerned. Thank you so much for your time.
Good night, All right, let me get you got room
here for Tony yeah, we'll give it a shot. Six
one seven two Tony and Epping, New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Tony. You're a Red Sox fan.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Big Red Sox fan, and you know, I think there
is a little a little going on on both ends.
I mean, you know, you were a professional. You get
paid to do a job. You know this this guy
was electric. He had the potential of you know, this
exit velocity with his just acumen and the way that
he approached the plate and the way that he had
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the offense that he you know, had for the overall team.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You lose that.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
I thought this guy was going to be a potential
home run King actually invested in a lot of his cards,
and I was like, oh, jeezus, this guy isn't pulling
off thirty five to forty like I thought. But he's
still doing pretty bang up excellent. You know, I think
when when you're playing a sport and they say, hey,
you know, play third base or whatever, I can see
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him not wanting to go back after pregnant hurts. He's like, well,
you know, my culture may dictate that I'm going to
be possibly a little more tough headed than I should be,
or my actions are going to act that way as well.
And I'm just going to be a little bit like
pig headed, you know, and I think that doesn't go
well with ownership. And they didn't want it to spread
like a tumor, you know, and that just where they
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said they're gonta cut tithes. But you know what this
these ownership groups are so diversified, with so many other
interests in the Socks that he's more caring about his
frigin soccer team, right, he really cares about the Red
Sox going independant race. I mean, they actually can make
a run rate now when you're y because you've gotta
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pay some friggin dude from whatever Manchester United or whatever
other place is gonna pay for him and be like, oh,
we're gonna get this guy. It's it's the interest of diversified,
no focus on the Socks. They don't look like the
ownership team besides Bruslo whatever that is in the GM
spot right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well yeah, yeah, let me help. Let me help you
out with your stats, which I think are good. He
had a horrible first week of the season, we all
know that, right, but he already he now has and
they they're just at they're like seventy three games, they're
not even at the halfway mark.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay, so he hit the brake. He's he's got.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Fifteen homers, which which puts him on a trajectory for
at least thirty probably thirty five. He's got at this
point fifty eight RBIs. He's going to have one hundred
and thirty RBIs with the Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay, but that that goes out the door. That's tough
to replace, tough to replace.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Let's say let's say he's fifteen percent of your offense.
I don't know, there's numbers is probably somebody would call
up on that, right, but whatever, it would be out
of the lineup right for however many runs or whatever
that stat he gets right for that, like, you're not
replacing it with two arms like a water be arm
and it may be arm in middle relief. And then
two prospects like oh it was a first draft pick
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last year. Then why did he do well? You know,
like you know you have a little bit uptick time,
but you know you're got to be thrown to the
fire in this league and just kind of run with it.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, look at what look at what they got for
for bets I mean, uh for Doogal is long gone.
No Wong is now a backup catcher, backup catcher. And
then they had a uh a kid who's who's had
the same last name as Jeter. He's he's washed out
of baseball, Jeter Downs. Jeter Downs was the shortstop if
(18:15):
he was supposed to going to.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Be Bogarts, right, how about Bogarts his approach to the plate,
his acuim in his way. If every you know what,
taking pitches, wearing pitchers down like fn an opportunity, Sure
bets he'd be on first piece he's at second. Now
you gotta runner and scoring position like right off the bat,
you know, so you know we're losing out of that.
Devra's home run ball. Wish he came into camp a
(18:40):
little bit in better shape. You know you're coming like
you already know you might be at the age. Yeah,
I mean, I hear you, I hear you. Well, I
mean you don't take three weeks to get in shape.
The other the other thing, ready.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
The other thing too is look this, by the way,
I was mistaken. The Giants aren't playing tonight. They play Cleveland.
They opened up tomorrow and it's the Red Sox who
are playing out in Seattle tonight.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Deps was was a guy who, to the.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Best of my knowledge, they all get banged up, but
he's never had.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
A serious injury.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Pretty sturdy guy, and you know you could count on
him for one hundred and fifty five games a year.
That's a lot of production. I don't know, we'll see.
The thing that's great about baseball, right is the end
of the season. You see where they are. They happen
to trade him. Uh while they had just won five
(19:31):
in a row for the first time this season, and
they had swept the Yankees, swept him on a Fenway Park.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Right off, and then come.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
On, they pulled they pulled them, I think off the plane.
They said that they the deal finally was done. They
pulled him off the plane and he had to take
a cab, a cab back to Fedway. I don't know
if you saw the video then Channel five had, but
he gets out of this little cab.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know, it's like, well, I'm sure he'll be treated
royally in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Not a way to treat him. I would say, there's
a little bit of shade on both sides, to tell
you the truth, But you know, one thing I would
say is if you get an opportunity to play first,
or you're a professional, and they say you got to
go back to third, maybe a response would be like,
all right, I'll be ready. You know, it's just I mean,
he went from a very bad third baseman to a
(20:26):
mid range to you know, maybe a shade up or
he worked on it.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You know, yeah I did.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah right, you know, so you know what things happen.
You know, there's only a TV's going for a backup
pree job or a wide receiver or corners all the
time in safeties like that's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I'll tell you this, there aren't too many guys in
the game who have his inate ability to hit a baseball.
I remember the first time I saw him playing at Patucket,
I think it was in twenty seventeen, and first time
in the baddest box. He just looked at me and said,
this guy's different. There's something about the way he carries himself,
and he's just hitting the line drives. So we'll say,
(21:03):
we'll say it's a long season. We still have more
than half of the season ago. So this is one
of those experiments in a peatfre dish we're all going
to be able to watch between now and the end
of September.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Tony, appreciate you calling.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Good, Thank you real quick. I'll say I was not
happy about it. That's what I wanted to tell you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Okay, I think that's pretty obvious, right, Thank you, Thank you, Tony.
Of a great one. I got some lines available. We're
talking about the Raffie Devonstraate, Devonstright. Now, look, I can
talk baseball, trust me that I can talk. I can
take you back to I'll take you back to the
nineteen fifties Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Uh and and of course historically even beyond that. Okay,
So I do get it. I understand it. I think
this is a dangerous move. I don't see how the
Red Sox improve, and they are going to have There's
some guys, I don't know, someone speculating this, maybe the
(22:02):
three rookies. They're not going back down. Campbell and Mayor
and Anthony. They're there for the ride. It's as simple
as that the pitching isn't bad. That the pitching has
actually come around.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
The bullpen's pretty good. I saw that Slayton today has
a problem with his neck.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But you know, you rest the guy up and he'll
be come back a little stronger. Sometimes an injury to
a pitcher during the season actually helps the pitcher because
the arms, the arm gets to get refreshed. So that
might work fine. But I just look at the lineup
and I'm thinking, Okay, let's see what happens. We'll see
what happens starting built tonight. Uh in Seattle. They're facing
(22:41):
a pretty good picture in Seattle tonight. Let's see what happens.
Maybe they'll score fifteen runs. Okay, six one seven, two thirty, six,
one seven, nine thirty. Let's light him up. We're gonna
go with this until ten o'clock.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And no further. It's one hour max.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
And if I'm gonna talk my way through the balance
of the hour, I can talk baseball for an hour.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I can.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I can bring you back to the days of Gene
Stevens and Carol Hardy and people like that of the
Red Sox outfield, or people like Eddie Pursued and Don
Budden and my great friend Ted Lepsio, who was actually
a really fine player for the Red Sox in the
nineteen fifties. We'll come back on nightside right after this
Let's talk baseball and Raffie Devers.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right, we're talking a little baseball. Raffie Devers is gone.
Here's Bill in New York.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Bill. I'm not sure if you're.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A Yankee fan, but I bet you're probably pretty happy
to see Raffie Devers playing in the National League.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well, i'll tell you. I'm I'm a Boston fan, Okay,
born in New York but left very early, and I'm
a Red Sox fan through and through.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Yeah, I'll tell you. I think it was the best
move the Red Sox made.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You were going to be in a definite minority.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Tell me why.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Well, you were talking about the trade coming up soon.
Get rid of him before you can't get rid of them,
And get rid of the two hundred and fifty million
left on his salary or his contract, and get somebody
(24:27):
or some other people that could come in and do
a little bit of what he did. But if you have,
we go back to Beckett in the in the in
the locker room or the clubhouse with the beers and
chicken fried chicken.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, you got you gotta get rid of the.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Cancer I think he was making. He was he was
creating a problem within the organization, and I think they
got rid of him just in time before he corrupted
a lot of other people.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay, that's a different that's a different take. And I'm
sure Craig Breslow is listening. He's happy to hear that.
I don't know what. Look he has always been Has
he ever been a problem child with this organization for
the eight years he's played here.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
No, But I'll tell you, like like your last call
has said. You know, if mister Henry says, hey, I
need you to do this, and he says, no, you
made me a DH. I need you to do this. No,
you made me a DH. And that's what I'm doing
when I hit the ball. Well, you're not hitting the
ball all that well all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And are the country the guy has? The guy has
fifty eight RBIs they're not halfway through the season. That
puts him on the track for about one hundred and
thirty RBIs. That's not a bad year. Thirty five home
rounds not bad?
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Is it worth two hundred and fifty million this.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Day and age?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It very well might be very well by the way
they play. They're paid a lot of people a lot
of money. I mean, you know, what do you want
him to do? You know, play for half the price?
I don't know you you're oh, I understand the point
you're making. You either remember the team or you're not,
is what you're saying to me. And I I generally
buy into that philosophy.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Yeah, you know, I'm a veteran of the army and
and I always, uh, I was brought up you do
what you're gonna do for the whole team.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Oh no, I get it. And you weren't.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You weren't making anywhere near three hundred and thirty million
when you're in the army.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I'm getting I know that.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
No, no, no. When I when I got out on
ninety six, I think my monthly salary was uh nine
and ninety eight dollars for the month.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Wow? Uh what what was what was your rank? H?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
E four E four E four?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, fair enough, Look, thank you for your service, and
thank you for your call. This is a really thoughtful
phone call. And let's see how it works out. To me,
if the Red Sox get rolling here and they they
they make the playoffs, everyone's going to look back on
this as the trade for when they traded Nomar Gassia Para. Uh.
If you remember back in two thousand and four, Gaussian
(27:15):
Para was kind of hurt, wasn't particularly playing well, And
that was the game that Jeter leaped into the stands.
He looked like Superman going into the stands to catch
a foul ball. And all of a sudden, people were
looking at Gassia Para and Jeter and saying, boy, I
wish we had Jeter. And they traded Gassia Para and
I thought that he was a pretty good player. But
(27:37):
they won the pennant that year and they won the
World Series. So if they replicate that feat this year,
they're going to look back on the demonstrade and say,
not a bad deal.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
If I got one other thing to say, Dan, if
you don't mind, I was. I was at Fenway Park
when they had the Jerry Remi day when they gave
out the the patches or the number number two I
(28:09):
ride motorcycle. I put that on my vest and I
was up in New York and I had a guy
I'm gassing up my bike. I had a guy say
to me, hey, I knew Jerry Remy. He'd be so
proud of you wearing that number two.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It was.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, Remy.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Remy was a local guy, grew up at Somerset and
he made it. He made it for the Red Sox,
not only as a player, pretty good second basement, but
a great sidekick announcer, color guy. Absolutely, Thank you, Belle,
appreciate you call very much. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Dan, call anytime.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
We'll take a quick break. Coming right back on night Side.
The only lines open right now are six one, seven.
I got Tim, Bob and Joe.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
If I get through them, I might be able to
get to you. If you call six months, the nine, three,
ten thirty back on Nightside. We will change topics at
ten o'clock that, I promise you, and we're going to
be talking with the Israeli console General here in New England.
My guest is a console general, uh Benny SHARONI. And
we're going to talk about the Middle East for a
little bit, and then we're going to talk about violence,
(29:18):
political violence in America. Too much of it and too
many people are quiet in the wake of it. Coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, let's keep rolling.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
He's going to go to Tim and Ruber and Tim,
what do you think about the Rapie devonstrate.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Well, I'll tell you Raffie Devils is a great ballplayer.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
He can hit, no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
He can wake up at three o'clock in the morning
and hit.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Anything with the trade, with the trade. I don't know
if you know this, but yeah, right, number eighth of
the sock h His grandson plays in San Francisco night.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh no, that Mike absolutely sure played Clay in the
college ball down down south.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
He was he was playing at Vanderbilt really and the
first time he played a Samway Park, Yas was there
and his mother and father were there, and he hit
a home run.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yep, I think he had about the first pitch that.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I think Yas had the ability to throw out the
first pitch that day.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
He Now. I'm a big baseball man. I played baseball, football, baseball,
ran track. But this isn't about me. It's about Rafiel
Devis Now. I think his contract is for two hundred
and eighty four million guaranteed three thirty.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Three thirty yep, and they've already gone through it a
couple of years. So this I think it's two fifty
is left. So the Giants have assumed two hundred and
fifty million dollars to pay off.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
The balance of his contract.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Jewelmber the movie with Tom Who's and Cuba Goodies Junior,
show me the money?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
Sure they're showing them the money. Good for them, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The Red Sox decided to get rid of them. It's
a big gamble for the Red Sox. I don't think
they got much in return, so we'll we'll have to
see how it works out. If the Red Sox play
better baseball in the second half of the season, then
it'll be considered a success. If they don't, it will
be considered a mistake.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Right.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I think they got two pitches, right, young guys. Baseball
is eighty five percent nine percent pitching. And anyhow, and
the long one I love Cora Cora anyhow, and the
long one. We'll see what the pitching does.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, we'll see both. Neither of them have been outstanding.
They're oh, they're they're they're they're a couple of pitchers.
But you know, we'll have to see. I mean, let's
see what happens by the end of the season, and
we will. We'll do something on this sometime towards the
end of September. Hey, Tim, thanks so much for the
call as always, my friend, Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
And can I say one more thing? Sure, go ahead,
and yeah, I called you on your OFFI a number
on Bob's Day and I said, Happy Father's Day. You're
a great father.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I was. I was about to thank you for that
that message. I appreciated him right back at you, Tim, Okay, thank.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You, my friend.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Keep up a good work. Thank you, talk to you.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Let's keep rolling. He gonna go to Bob in California.
Bob is not a raffie Devers guy. I don't think,
Hey Bob next to a nightside haw wayre.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
You Dan doing well? Hope you're doing okay too.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hope you are great.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
To hear your voice, thank you.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Likewise, yes, and you're correct, And the bottom line is okay.
Devers is lucky, very lucky. So the guy like me
is not general manager. It's not Craig Brizil because I
would have called him in and said, okay, you're refusing
to be d h and then recently, he refused to
play for a space and I would have said to him, you,
(32:56):
just what did your contract? Because you're refusing to play
the contract is voided and I want to cut him.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, you would have saved two hundred and fifty dollars,
I guess, assuming that the Major League Baseball Players Association
didn't sue you, but you probably bought yourself a lawsuit.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Persol did the right thing. In my opinion, he did
the right thing. Just get rid of him. I agree
with the New York caller, he's a cancer. Okay. The
player does not decide. They don't decide where they play.
Imagine if players, Imagine if all twenty five players every
night decided, oh, I'm going to play this position or
that position. Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
There's there's a lot of there's a lot of support
for Craig Breslow here on the program. I think I
think the majority of the callers are are not favorably
inclined towards mister Devers.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Devers. The New York caller is right, Devers is a
cancer to the team. Good luck to the Giants. Okay,
different sport. But Bill Black, oh, he schoosed to talk
about teamwork. Okay, and if you're not me oriented, and
that includes members of the Boston Red Sox, get rid
of them.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Shut all right, thank you, Bob. Talk soon about soon
there you Okay, Joe and Belmont, Joe, you're gonna wrap
the our office.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Go ahead, Joe'll only be seventy seconds. I think the
trade is going to hurt the Red Sox offense. And
I got a trivia question, Jim Womberg nineteen sixty seven.
Who were the three Red Sox second basement and they
were all good hitters.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Reggie Smith here was an on field opening He was
the opening day second Basement in nineteen sixty seven. Mike Andrews.
You asked for three names, so I'm gonna give you
Red Smith, Mike Andrews. And I'm not sure who the
third one was. Who's the third one?
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Chuck showing Jerry no.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
No no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Shilling came up and see with Yastremsky played two years
with the Red Sox, was out of baseball by sixty
three and ended up as a teacher. And when the
Red Sox opened the nineteen sixty seven season, Chuck Shilling
was teaching at a Long Island High school.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
I saw Jim Bunny pitch you no hitro like you did.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Fifty eight against the Red Sox. Yeah, Tigers against against
for the Tigers against the Red Sox. Ted Williams was
the last hitter. Flew out to al k Line.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
I got L K lines autograph. You know how he
signed his name, yep O K K and a line, right,
I got it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's a good one. Don't leave, don't lose that one.
That's a Hall of Fame one. Hey, Joe, great call.
I love your questions. Double check yourself on Chuck Shilling.
He was done by sixty three or sixty four. Might
have gotten half a season with the Mets.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Jesus loves you, Dan, I know that.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I know that. Thank you, Joe, appreciate it very much.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
God Puss right back at you.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Good night.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, we've done with this. When we get back on
the other side, we're going to be talking with the
Israeli Console General Benny Sharon SHARONI about what's going on
between Israel and Iran. And I think most of you
know whose side I'm on on that one, and I
hope most of you are on the same side, we'll
be back on night side with Consul General Benni Sharoni
(36:24):
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