July 1, 2025 • 39 mins
The 30-year-old man charged for the stabbing and murder of four University of Idaho students, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Goncalves has accepted a plea deal to serve life in prison, without the possibility of parole, avoiding the death penalty. Brian Kohberger committed the crime in November of 2022. The victims’ families are divided over the plea deal with some furious at the state of Idaho. Dan discussed this heinous crime and the case this evening on NightSide!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Costin's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, we spent last hour talking about the plea deal
that has been caught by Brian Coburger in the Idaho
student quadruple murder case from November of twenty twenty two,
and I think it's something the judge out there has
the ability to reject and should reject. Now again, we
(00:27):
heard from Laurie in Idaho. We do have a couple
of listeners in Idaho and if anyone's out there it
wants to weigh in on it, speak now forever. Hold
your piece. I have one caller who has hungover. I'm
going to get to her in a moment. I'm just
going to reset it here and if you want to
keep it going, great, If not, we're going to move
on this thirty year old now thirty year old Brian
(00:49):
Coburger apparently is now pleading guilty to the stabbing and
murder of four University of Idaho students, Madison Mogan, xon
A Kremodal cre Noodle, excuse me, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Gonzalvis.
He's accepted the plea deal in exchange for his murder.
(01:10):
His guilty plea. He'll get life in prison without the
possibility at parole. He'll be sentenced supposedly to four consecutive
life sentences. I don't think that's adequate. I really don't.
I think that the judge should reject this and make
it go to trial. I think that's they have a
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death penalty on the books in Idaho. That's what this
guy's afraid of. There's no guarantee that some crazy governor
in Idaho ten twenty thirty, forty fifty years from now
might not let this guy out. Because what happens is
time heals all wounds and families break up, families move away,
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the victims. There's no one left to speak for the victims.
These individuals were murdered as they slept at four four
point thirty in the morning on a Sunday morning. Now,
I don't know if you've ever been woken up suddenly
at night in your home. You know, maybe it's a
thunderstorm outside, or I don't know, something goes on. You
(02:24):
really don't know what's going on. It takes you a
little while to get your bearings. So this guy kills
these four people. No mercy for them, no mercy for
their age, mercy for their status, kills them, and he's
now going to walk away guaranteed three square meals a day,
(02:49):
a bed to sleep in every night. I'm not saying
that I would want that, and I don't suspect most
of you would want that, But it's a pretty sweet
deal for this guy when you think about it. He'll
be able to interact with other people. I'm sure that
they'll give him psychological counseling. I'm sure that he'll eventually
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earn some of the privileges in uh in prison, be
able to exercise in the sunshine, maybe correspond with people.
You know, he's going to find Jesus in person, because
everybody finds Jesus in prison. He'll have a Bible study group,
he'll teach English as a second language, and he'll become
(03:35):
a new person. But the people who he killed will
still be dead, and their lives, the people that they
might have married, the children that they might have produced,
will never live. So he kills more than just four
young people. He kills their lives and what those lives
(03:55):
might have forgotten. Six six, seven, nine, ten thirty. The
judge in this case, we're not going to be able
to influence that judge would have the right to reject
this plea deal. Let's hope that he does. But in
the meantime, let me go to Doreen in Chelsea. Dorian,
one of my regular calls, Hi, Dorean, welcome back. How
(04:17):
are you.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Dan doing great? I think I know what you're going
to say on this one, but let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, you know, I am how I am. Massachusetts is
a very liberal state. I'm all for capital punishment from
the beginning. Yep, I'm sorry, that's how I think.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, there's nothing wrong with that. And if there was
ever a case which would be easy to support, this
would be it. I mean, I don't understand the people
who will say, well he doesn't that's that's not what
he deserves. You just heard Bishop Wright, who's a member
of the clergy. He's a bishop. He agrees with us
on this. This guy shouldn't be breathing the same here.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yes, and there's another case too. I want you to
bring up in the futures about those three firemen the
guy set Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, well right, well, two of them are dead, one
is in I think critical condition.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, I hear them see, I always watch the news,
which might be a bad thing, but I like to
be in farm that's going on.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That was Sunday. That was Sunday. I mean that was
about four thirty our time. I was watching I think
the Red Sox game. And these four firefighters they scramble
on a Sunday afternoon to go fight a forest fire
which they don't know has been set, and when they
get there, they're shot by a twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Year old, Right, a twenty year old, that's right?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
How can you be now? How can you get so
screwed up at twenty? Did your ideas I'll set a
fire and the firefighters will come and I'll shoot and
kill a couple of them.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, I'm going to repeat myself again. They shouldn't be delivered.
They shouldn't be able to live, not even in prison.
Just get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, you know this guy, the kid that shot and
killed the firefighter's twenty year old, he apparently killed himself,
so he saved the state.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Of life, that's right. Well they found the rifle again
beside him or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Right, Well, at least he had the decency to take him.
This this guy Coburger, he thought he was swart enough
and he was going to be able to get away
with it. I heard someone, yes the last hour, that
he brought like a dustbuster with him. He was going
to clean up to make sure there were no fibers,
no hears left at the crime scene. He thought he
was swater than everybody, and he almost right.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So what do you call that? Manslaught and tension to kill?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
No, that's murder. That's murder, murder in the first degree,
up close and personal.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, right, So what's pre meta murder?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Again?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Premeditated murder is basically, you can you can form a
judgment and a decision premed it A lot of people
think premeditated murders you gotta sit down, you got to
plant it out, you got to figure out when you're
going to do it, how you're going to do it.
That can be premeditated murder. But you're able to formulate,
according to the law, what it's called P and D
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premeditation and deliberation in a matter of a couple of seconds.
You know, if all of a sudden, you know, uh,
me and slaughter is when uh, you know, a couple
of guys get in a fight and one guy hits
a guy with a lucky punch and he hits his
head on a cement step and he dies. There was
no intention for that guy. The guy threw a punch.
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It was dangerous. He shouldn't be throwing a punch. But
first agreement, this kid was looking at first degree murder
capital offense, first degree murder in Idaho, death penalty. And
four he's the he's this is for not this is
one to three, this is four.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
No way that he should now another thing to another case.
That's hi profile out there. Okay, is that Kylie? You
know that little Kylie that's kidnapped and killed by the father.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
In Idaho.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, it was on the TV. No right from there
New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, no, that's that's a little girl named Harmony.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Harmony.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm sorry, Yeah, well he's sorry. Yeah, he's been convicted
in New Hampshire. So yeah, I mean, I don't want
to go through them all, but I think you make
some really interesting points. And again there are some just
some sick people who do not deserve our money. Should
not be spent on keeping this guy alive. That's all
I'm saying. It could be spent in a lot, that's right. Anyways,
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you got it, Dorian, Thanks very much. You'll lit the
phones up for us here doing good job. Thank you
all right, have a great night. Six thirty. That's the
only line open. Uh, we are gonna go next to
nobody's waiting long. We got Lillian Walpole, Lauren and Plymouth
John in New York and one that will get that
(09:12):
name and the only one line six one, seven thirty dial.
Now get through and we'll have you on coming back
on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Back to the phones we go. We're talking about the
Brian Kolberger quadruple murder case in Idaho. He has been able,
or I should say, the prosecutors were willing to accept
a guilty plea of four murders and he will avoid
the death penalty. Lily in Walpole, Hi, Lily, how are
(09:47):
you hey?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Good again?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Ton't I do great?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Thanks for calling in excellent listen.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I'm clong. My son was it when he's going to
Emmanuel stamped four times and bring them shortly, and they
caught the brothers that did it, but none of them
did time. Because my son didn't want me to go
on court and have to listen to what happened.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Really, Yeah, I can understand he wants to protect you,
but you didn't have to go to that one, right,
I mean he would have had to have testified. I assume.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, and so he chose.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
He chose not to testify, and.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Did they want I have no idea two and some
kinds time in jail.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I really don't know really what happened. Really, I can't
get anoganizen.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Let me ask you this, how is your son doing?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
He's doing the way things?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
God?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
How long ago was the son the victim of this assault?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Man? It was a tant and I think it was
he's going on manual his I think it was like
nineteen twenty nineteen. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I'm not going now.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's okay, So that's six years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Yeah, okay, fine, So I assume he's graduated from college
at this point. Yeah, he's all his work and he's
joined great front people.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, Well, are on family radio here. You could say
you could say something like I would, I'd be very upset.
I'd be very angry.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't scratch my.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Night, good night, Lily, thank you for your call. I'd
say hello to your son for us. Okay, congratulations that
he has survived. Lauren is in Plymouth. Hi, Lauren, how
are you doing. Hi? Dan is back in town.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
So I'm driving and I'm on the Highway of US again.
I think firing squad would be wonderful and they should
put it on live television.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah. They could maybe make paid TV out of it
and give the money to the families of the victims.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
Yeah, And I think it's disgusting. I believe in crimes
and passion, like as far as like you know, lesser
murder charges for you know, crimes and passion.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I do believe those.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Again, there are there are cold blooded.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Cold blooded, disgusting killers. Need to go immediately.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
This guy, this guy plea, he figured this out. You
got to turn that radio down. You're going to be confused,
radio Lauren, thank you turned the radio down. Are you
(12:58):
you hear me? I can hear fine?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Sorry, can you hear me?
Speaker 7 (13:02):
My thirteen year olds? My thirteen year old in the car,
She can't believe I'm on the radio.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, yeah, you are on the radio. But she's got
to listen. She can listen to the whole thing tomorrow.
She goes to nightside and demand she can listen to.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Our inte Will I tell her about you all the time?
She's into politics?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh really? Okay, well some nights you someday maybe she'll
be doing what I do, and that is a talk show.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
We talked all about We talk about everything going on
in the world all all the uh, you know, things
happening all over the globe, not just the country. And
it's a very Yeah, we're in a very sad state
right now, I think, but I also think there's a
lot of good things happening as well.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Unfortunately, you're right, and unfortunately the good things don't get
the publicity that the bad things, Yeah, which is understandable,
but it's still regrettable.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
She's good.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
He's going to school to be a you know, to
save animals, you know, and I think that that's one
of the best things you can do, you think, saving people,
you know, saving animals, doing something for the you know, ecosystems,
you know something that to save the earth, you know,
jobs like that, those are the careers that are needed
(14:20):
right now. We need to really pay attention to this planet.
And these people walking on the planet are sitting in
these jails who commit these disgusting crimes, they need to
be extinguished. No, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, well I think that on cases like this. This
guy planned this assault, he circled around that night, his
car was seen on videotape. There's no question about who
it is. There, there's no scintilla of doubt now that
he has confessed to it. In my opinion, some will say, well,
(14:57):
maybe he confessed to it to avoid the death penalty.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
I gotta tell you, this guy, they even put that
on the table.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well, you know, that's apparently the defense lawyers said to
the prosecutors, offer us a deal. Most prosecutors, real good
professional prosecutors, would say, no, I'm going to I'm going
to get this. I'm going to convict news. Come on
the other thing you're angry.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
About, go ahead, Sorry, sorry, sorry, That Boston bomber, that kid,
I can't believe he's still breathing.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Almost twenty years later.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's going to get pretty I mean, unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
We need to start really you know, up and things
up and start really uh you know, getting rid of
all the bad stuff and start really focusing on the good.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah. Yeah, well it was he was twenty and thirteen,
so it's not twenty years, but it's over ten. It's
now thirteen, so he's in his fourteenth year of his
of his miserable existence.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I have no sympathies, no sympti and whatsoever, not not
not even and drop.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Lord, keep calling this program. How are you doing? By
the way, are you are you still working?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Smoking?
Speaker 7 (16:07):
I quit smoking.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's a good thing. And you know what, do it
for your daughter.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Do it for my daughter and I are on the
road right now.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I did it for my daughter.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You bet you.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
She made three She made three hundred dollars. So lemon
need today.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh that's not bad summertime.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That's a good one.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Cash business right next right next door to.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Me, thea cash business. All right, Lord, keep hanging in there,
talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Thanks, all right, all right, ran, good night.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, if you're trying to call all of a sudden,
we got a few open lines six one seven, so
a couple six one seven, two five four ten thirty
six pot seven nine three one ten thirty. Uh, this
has been a great night, interesting night last night as well.
We've had more women callers. Uh, in the last two nights.
It's almost been fifty to fifty, which for me is perfect.
(16:58):
H I always enjoy fifty percent women fifty percent men
because we get all sorts of perspectives. Feel free. If
you've never called before, become a first time caller. Right
now at six one, seven, two, five, four to ten
thirty or six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
We are talking about what was three years ago. I
mean three years ago. These students were alive. They probably
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were just started or about to start their college education,
or maybe they were high school seniors. They went to
the University of Idaho and Moscow, Idaho. Four of them
were killed in one night, early in the morning, four
thirty in the morning, by this guy, Brian Coberger. He
was a graduate student. He's now thirty, so he was
in his uh. He was twenty seven at the time
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of the murders. He plotted this out, He planned it.
He was fascinated with people who committed crimes like this
and how people could commit crimes and not be caught.
That was his goal here was to commit a heinous
crime and not be caught. Well, he committed four ainus crimes.
He killed four young people, stole their lives, stole their future,
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from them, stole by the way, not only their lives
and their future, but the future of the children that
they might have had. Each of them could have turned
around and gotten married and had a family. Their parents
would have had grandchildren through with them, through them. It's so,
it's it's it's it's the deaths of the four young people.
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It's the it's the the personal murder. He literally climbed
on the bed while they were asleep. And again, if
you can imagine one, it's like when remember when you
wake up in the middle of the night you hear
a noise. You don't even hear the noise. Unconsciously, your
windows open and it gets cold and you wake up.
Your where am I? What's going on? You're out of
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a deep, dead sleep. That's where these people were. Now,
they may have been drinking, that may have contributed to it.
But he goes into the rooms and he kills four
the fourth and he thought he was going to get
away with it. Well he didn't. But now he's been
given the biggest break of his life. The prosecutor said,
you plead guilty, We'll take the death penalty away. That
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prosecute isn't isn't worth Uh? The word prosecutor at the
end of his name. He didn't prosecute the case. This
was the case that should have been an easy case
to prosecute.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Why let this guy off the hook? I don't know. Six.
Feel free to join the conversation. We will talk a
little bit later on tonight about tonight about the big
beautiful bill that President Trump has been trumpeting. I'm not
sure this big beautiful bill's gonna make it. I will
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explain that later on. Stay with us. My name is
Dan Ray. We'll be back on nights side right after this.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's Night's Eide with Drays Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Okay, back to the phones we go. Going to go
next to John in New York, Ky. John, welcome back.
How are you sir? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (20:09):
Hello, Dan, good evening. How you doing.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (20:12):
Dan, I'd like to know about this business for this case.
So where where was this judge at This judge has authority,
you know, I've been on journey duty. When a judge
sees something going on that shouldn't be, he kicks people out.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Of the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Right, That's what judges do.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
These prosecutors that have been kicked out of the courtroom
and fired. Well, being a new group of people in.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, I don't think the judge has the authority to
do that. John, I think that that that obviously the
the defense team, according to the prosecutors, if you believe them,
approached them and said, give us a plea deal. If
I was the prosecutor and say, what plead deal you
talking about? Let's say plea deal? This is the case. Uh,
(20:55):
this is a slam dunk. Why do we need to
give you a plea deal?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Yeah, It's like, I don't understand what this is about.
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well it almost you wonder if it might be an
embarrassment to the state of Idaho. We had Laurie on
last hour. Could it be that there are powers that
be who are saying, look, we just had you know,
two firefighters killed last weekend who were responding to a
fire that some nutjob set a twenty year old kid.
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He's now dead but apparently killed himself. But then you
get this case hanging in the background. Maybe maybe the
people who are in charge in Idaho are saying, let's
get rid of this case. Let's just move it. Let's
take his plea, put him away for life for life
sentences consecutive life sentences. In theory, he won't get out.
(21:47):
But I don't know what some governor's going to do
thirty years from now in Idaho, do you wow?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
You know, No, I don't. But the thing is something
in this case, they should allow members of the victims
family to be on the firing squad and shoot this guy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, that's assuming they want to, you know, I mean,
I guess they have just reinstituted the firing squad, which
is fine, but hey, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
I'm sure there'd be some members that might be angry
enough that might do It's all people involved. Oh yeah,
go on, it's got to be at least two.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I'm told. By the way, I got a text
here from Laurie that says a little wrinkled. They play
a game out here. Same in Montana, where a sitting
judge will retire midterm. At that time, the governor appoints
a replacement for the remainder of the term. He or
she then has to run for election every four or
six years in a nonpartisan contest. So maybe voters might
(22:46):
have influence. Okay, so okay, that's kind of it. Here
here in Massachusetts, New York as well. I think judges
are all appointed by the governor of New York.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Correct, I'm not sure on that, you know that. I
don't remember, but I showed the Massachusets I should look
into it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, in Massachusetts, the governor's appoint judges district quot and
the governor's appoint clerks in some state clerks. In some
states clerks get elected. It's it's all depending on what
your state wants to do. So you'd go for the
death battle, you'd go for the death penalty here, John.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Right, of course you would.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes, Okay, I'm with you know.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
One other thing quick before I run on about the
thanks to to Dan Ray. Uh with the Facebook. You
know the show you do before and after the program,
the pregame as you recall, as you recall, I met
the young lady on on Facebook. Yeah, you know, yeah,
and it's still going on along and she's getting the
(23:46):
passport ready soon and uh, we're going to meet one
another very soon. It looks like in the future.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, John, if it works out, invite me to the wedding.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
You know what I'm thinking. You know what I'm thinking about.
You know what if it's a wedding it's just going
to be a small little thing, right like at dinner. Yeah,
and maybe we'll have it in Boston and you can
be invited with your wife and you don't have to
go that far.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
That would be That's that I'd be happy to do that.
We could, we could.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Help me and rage Boston, Boston. You got the harbor.
You could have a honeymoon there. You know it's in
a nice hotel.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh, there's a great hotel, right, great hotel.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
The whole thing the whales.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Did you ever see the wheals?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Have I gone to see whale watchers? Whale watching? But
I'm told, I'm told it's a great event, a great
event me too. You know how old? I mean, how
old is this is? This? Have you formalized this? John?
Are you engaged yet or no?
Speaker 8 (24:44):
No? No, I have a ring though.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okay, so let me ask you, John, Well, you have
any idea how old this young lady is?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I told you the last time. You just you know,
you kind of you dwell the moment. Let's say, throw baby, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
How old is she?
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Thirty?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
She's thirty and you're older than she.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
I assume oh seventhy Okay, Well I would just doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know, sometimes John, look, do what you gotta do.
But remember, as as your mother once told you, sometimes
when something looks too good to be true, it can
be to be true. That's all I'm saying. I don't
want you to get You know, maybe this is the
love of your life, and I would be delighted if
you were brought together through Nightside. I'm serious when I
(25:36):
say that. I'm totally serious.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
I know, I know. It's like you know, we'll see
how it goes.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's faded, it's whatever you want to call it. It's karma. Okay,
thank you for.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Your combination advice and warning. Let's call it.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Look, if if I consider people who call my show
as friends, and you know, that's a I mean, look,
she may be wonderful, and I hope she can't remember.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
You had that program just about a week or two
before I met her about you had people calling in
that were older than their wife. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Okay, you had guys that were like thirty and forty
years older than their wife that were calling you and
telling you about it. Do you recall that, yes.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I do.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We might have been talking about Bill Belichick. That might
have been what prompted that normally is something that prompts us. Look,
I have friends who have had younger wives. I'm not
knocking that. I'm just saying that, just you know, don't
rush into anything and use your best judgment and that's all.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's a possibility I might
just end up being a sugar daddy, you know what
I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, you don't want to be that, trust me, No
I don't.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Oh yeah, of course not. Yeah, well isn't it yeah,
I will.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Oh, it is very it is very costly, and it
could be very costly. So yeah, just you know, Joe,
what do you do for a living out there? You
told me once before you work? I think in.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
General general Letri and Schenectady.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yes, that's right, I was gonna say, I plant.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Yeah, okay, it's the it's the plant where we built
the big power generators that light the cities.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's beautiful. That's beautiful.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Oh it is. Oh yeah, they're big.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I don't know if you have a soul on them.
But what we built, it goes into power plants and
sometimes nuclear runs it and sometimes you know, uh, the
steam with the turbine, you know, burning gas and know
all all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, we just I just want to tell you that
we have had listeners in the Philippines before. Okay, so
maybe someone told this woman about it. I don't know,
but you know, just just use your best judgment. That's all.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
You get calls. You get people that call you from there.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I had a fellow who used to call quite often
from there. He was an American who had settled in
the Philippines's name was Eugene.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Oh okay, he was listening to your program online then,
all right, of course, of course, yeah, yeah, Well I
can listen to my car on on the on the
on the groundway but night. You know a lot of
times you can pick it up.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
In a car. It's what we call terrestual radio. And
then you also can pull down the new and improved
WB rather the iHeart app. You could make us your
first free set on your.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
What's in my phone right now that I'm talking on
you with you know what I mean that I'm listening
to a program.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and when you pull the app down, there's a
red button with a white microphone. You make us your
first preset and you can just press that button and
you can leave us messages thirty second messages and when
we do, Rob Robel play them. Rob. If you find
some messages tonight, make sure you let me know and
we'll play one of them for John.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Okay, Oh really, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, okay, it's just it's just another little feature. You know,
a lot of a lot of stuff. Hey, John, we've
gone really long here. I gotta get I gotta break here.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
And I understand I talk. Thank you, Thank you, buddy.
I have a good night, Dan, Okay, you too much.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Good night. All right, all right, let's uh take a
quick break here on Nightside. Uh the only lines open
are six one seven, coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, let's go to the Phone's gonna go to John
in debt Ham. You're correct, Rob, John and Debdham go ahead, John.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Hey Dan, I think you hit it on ahead a
couple of times. I'm sure you research people can look
this up. Try to remember where this guy was on
death Row. And I know he was a letter throw
a victim's impact Sam. He was laughing at the victims family.
He's basically saying I got air conditioning, I got three
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meals a day, I got three capable and I get
to exercise every day.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Right, it's like there's no accountability anymore. I know this
is a political statement, but it's kind of related. You know,
you talk, you look at the stuff that's going on
to Biden administration. All the Democrats want to say, oh,
we're looking forward. There has to be accountability. When is
there accountability? And we saw how easy it was for
somebody in the Biden administration to pardon all these people. So,
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like you said, twenty years from now, there's no family
members around to fight it. Can a governor pardon a
murder of sentence?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh, you can have you can have medical parole. During COVID,
for example, there were plenty of people who were sent
home and there's sentences.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, we're terminated, suspended or whatever, or they were turned
into house arrest. Yeah. I mean there are circumstances, and
circumstances change, and you look at crimes different and you know,
the victims' families die and go away, and you know
the parents of these kids are going to pass on,
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and maybe they're brothers and sisters if they have any,
move to another part of the country and they don't
want to be remembered as the siblings of a murder victim.
So sad, but true, it changes, it changes, and it
doesn't change for the better for society.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
So I talked how far we moved out from like
nine to eleven, how angry we all were in nine
to eleven. Now you know, it's almost like not even
thought about anymore than when we lost three thousand people.
And it's, like I said, it's like all it takes
is didn't New Hampshire switch their laws and go for
anybody who in death row is no longer in death
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row or something like that.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, I think that New Hampshire still has the death penalty.
I stayed to be corrected on that. But there are
states that well. In Massachusetts, they have changed life without parole.
For example, they now say that if you were under
the age of eighteen and committed a heinous crime for
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which you were given life without parole, that's unconstitutional because
no one's mind is fully formed by the age of eighteen.
So there's an example where a court comes in, So
you have all of these these people, and again it's
not a lot of them, but they committed horrific crimes.
They have murder ie convictions, life without parole, and now
they're parole eligible in fifteen years because some judges.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Yeah, Massachusetts, somebody put up the marathon bout them before,
and I was going to bring it up like this guy,
I'm sure still gets to talk to his family on
a regular basis, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Anything, and you know better than I do. They say
it's more expensive to put some of to death than
to let him live his life in prison.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
By the way, I disagree. I disagree with that. If
the marathon bomber was I think twenty when he went away,
he's now more than thirty, he's thirty two. If he
lives at actuarial tables till till he's eighty five, they're
going to spend a heck of a lot more money
than if they had expedited death. You know, you have
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lawyers just keep coming up with appeals. We're going to
appeal this ineffective assistance and counsel. We're gonna appeel this issue.
We're gonna appeal that. We're gonna appeal that. That's good
to go back it's like it's an inexhaustible supply of
appeals at some point. At some point, I think that
when there's no question about someone's guilt, where there's no
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no doubt whatsoever, there's no scintilla of doubt, that's a
standard that I would create, a no sintilla of doubt
and aggravating circumstances like the marathon bombing. See you later, amigo.
Your time is.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Up, and I'll say one last thing is with extended appeals,
as you just said, hire the extra judges, hire the
extra government for government personnel. Twelve months. You have one
year of appeals.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh you could could you could make it. You could
make it even you could make it much more liberal.
You could say two, three, four years. But again depending
upon the case. I mean, if if, if someone can
has any potential to prove their innocence, they should not
be killed by the state. But when there's no it
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isn't a question of, uh, we've convicted you beyond a
reasonable doubt. No, we know that you did this beyond
a scintilla of doubt. You know I I know beyond
the sintilla of doubt that the sun rose this morning
in the east. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow
in the but I can't prove that yet.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I totally agree with it. I think if that prosecution
takes that plea deal, he needs to fired immediately. Whatever
they do to get him either.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I can't even imagine what these parents are going through.
I can't imagine it all.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
John. I appreciate the call very much. We'll talk soon. Okay,
thank you much, have a great night. Let me go
to Bill in Pennsylvania. Bill, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Yeah, I'm going good. Dan. How you doing?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'm fine. What's your take on this?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Well? My take is what's worse for a prosecutor to
take the death penalty off the table before the guy
has trial is tried, or for president of the United
States to pardon forty six out of forty nine death
row inmates. And that is wait, okay, so you pardon
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forty forty six out of forty nine. What about the
other three? I mean, yeah, the other the.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Other three that they pardon. If I'm not mistaken, we're
Dylan Ruth, the guy who killed the innocent black people
at a church. Also the guy that I shot up
the Tree of Life synagogue. In your estate near Pittsburgh
and the Boston bomber.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
So they say, I'm saying. Yeah, what I'm saying is
and here in Pennsylvania, Dan our governor has put a
moratorium on on death penalty here.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, Well, what I would only say to you, Bill
is elections have consequences.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
And that's that's right, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
What a governor can do. We we had the death
penalty in Massachusetts as recently as the year two thousand
and because of the vote of one legislator, the death
penalty was was eliminated. So yeah, you know, elections have consequences.
That's so sad. I mean, it's it's it's when we
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run our society, as simple as that, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
But if a Dan, if a guy, if a guy
says I'm against the death penalty, okay, like like uh
President Biden, Okay, hey, I'm against the death penalty. It's
against my my uh you know, my morals or whatever.
So he pardons he partns forty six, but he let's
three on there. I mean, that doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, it makes political sense because he didn't want to
pardon again a racist in Dylan Ruth an anti semite
in the guy a tree of life and uh uh
the Boston barmber. Hey, Bill, I don't mean to cut
you short. I want to get one more in before
the break. I got it.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Hey, Dan, did you did you hear what happened at
the University of Penn today?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Nope?
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Leah Thomas was stripped of all his her medals.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Oh really, I didn't realize that. Okay, yeah, I'll look
for that story tomorrow. There's a little bit of a
news story. Thank you, Bill, help me go to Patrick
and Charles town. Patrick going to get you anymby with
the news.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
Go ahead, Patrick, here you doing Dan? Hey, listen that
kind of interesting, sort of tangential take on this thing. Okay, obviously,
I think you know if anybody deserves a death Pitlety
is this guy. There was all the planning involved in
all that, Yeah, absolutely all day long. But I had
an interesting take. There's been something bothered me about this.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
And you know, Dan, you.
Speaker 10 (38:04):
Had this kid. Let me just hand me out for
a minute. You have this kid. He has some type
of disease. I don't know if it's Aspergers or whatever.
He's a back kid in high school. He develops a
believe it or not. A heroin problem. He he work,
He drops out a community college. He gets himself somehow,
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gets himself back in shape, goes back to community college, graduates,
gets a college degree, graduates, becomes a star student and
a master's degree under one of the leading experts and
criminology in the United States. Then him and this guy
turned his life around. Man. He then gets set. He
goes to Washington State. He finally is going to make
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his family proud.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Right.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
He gets there and he had an altercation with a
professor in September twenty third of twenty twenty two. Within
eight days, they had him called into a meeting. Within
eighteen days after that, the professor wrote him up because
they were going to put him on a performance a
group of players.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Patrick, here's what I got to do. I got Patrick,
I have ten seconds left. I will hold you into
the next hour. You can finish the story after the news.
We got to break the break for the news. Patrick
will finish the story. He's talking about Brian Colberger coming
back on Night sid
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Costin's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, we spent last hour talking about the plea deal
that has been caught by Brian Coburger in the Idaho
student quadruple murder case from November of twenty twenty two,
and I think it's something the judge out there has
the ability to reject and should reject. Now again, we
(00:27):
heard from Laurie in Idaho. We do have a couple
of listeners in Idaho and if anyone's out there it
wants to weigh in on it, speak now forever. Hold
your piece. I have one caller who has hungover. I'm
going to get to her in a moment. I'm just
going to reset it here and if you want to
keep it going, great, If not, we're going to move
on this thirty year old now thirty year old Brian
(00:49):
Coburger apparently is now pleading guilty to the stabbing and
murder of four University of Idaho students, Madison Mogan, xon
A Kremodal cre Noodle, excuse me, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Gonzalvis.
He's accepted the plea deal in exchange for his murder.
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His guilty plea. He'll get life in prison without the
possibility at parole. He'll be sentenced supposedly to four consecutive
life sentences. I don't think that's adequate. I really don't.
I think that the judge should reject this and make
it go to trial. I think that's they have a
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death penalty on the books in Idaho. That's what this
guy's afraid of. There's no guarantee that some crazy governor
in Idaho ten twenty thirty, forty fifty years from now
might not let this guy out. Because what happens is
time heals all wounds and families break up, families move away,
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the victims. There's no one left to speak for the victims.
These individuals were murdered as they slept at four four
point thirty in the morning on a Sunday morning. Now,
I don't know if you've ever been woken up suddenly
at night in your home. You know, maybe it's a
thunderstorm outside, or I don't know, something goes on. You
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really don't know what's going on. It takes you a
little while to get your bearings. So this guy kills
these four people. No mercy for them, no mercy for
their age, mercy for their status, kills them, and he's
now going to walk away guaranteed three square meals a day,
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a bed to sleep in every night. I'm not saying
that I would want that, and I don't suspect most
of you would want that, But it's a pretty sweet
deal for this guy when you think about it. He'll
be able to interact with other people. I'm sure that
they'll give him psychological counseling. I'm sure that he'll eventually
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earn some of the privileges in uh in prison, be
able to exercise in the sunshine, maybe correspond with people.
You know, he's going to find Jesus in person, because
everybody finds Jesus in prison. He'll have a Bible study group,
he'll teach English as a second language, and he'll become
(03:35):
a new person. But the people who he killed will
still be dead, and their lives, the people that they
might have married, the children that they might have produced,
will never live. So he kills more than just four
young people. He kills their lives and what those lives
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might have forgotten. Six six, seven, nine, ten thirty. The
judge in this case, we're not going to be able
to influence that judge would have the right to reject
this plea deal. Let's hope that he does. But in
the meantime, let me go to Doreen in Chelsea. Dorian,
one of my regular calls, Hi, Dorean, welcome back. How
(04:17):
are you.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Dan doing great? I think I know what you're going
to say on this one, but let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, you know, I am how I am. Massachusetts is
a very liberal state. I'm all for capital punishment from
the beginning. Yep, I'm sorry, that's how I think.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, there's nothing wrong with that. And if there was
ever a case which would be easy to support, this
would be it. I mean, I don't understand the people
who will say, well he doesn't that's that's not what
he deserves. You just heard Bishop Wright, who's a member
of the clergy. He's a bishop. He agrees with us
on this. This guy shouldn't be breathing the same here.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yes, and there's another case too. I want you to
bring up in the futures about those three firemen the
guy set Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, well right, well, two of them are dead, one
is in I think critical condition.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, I hear them see, I always watch the news,
which might be a bad thing, but I like to
be in farm that's going on.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That was Sunday. That was Sunday. I mean that was
about four thirty our time. I was watching I think
the Red Sox game. And these four firefighters they scramble
on a Sunday afternoon to go fight a forest fire
which they don't know has been set, and when they
get there, they're shot by a twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Year old, Right, a twenty year old, that's right?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
How can you be now? How can you get so
screwed up at twenty? Did your ideas I'll set a
fire and the firefighters will come and I'll shoot and
kill a couple of them.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, I'm going to repeat myself again. They shouldn't be delivered.
They shouldn't be able to live, not even in prison.
Just get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, you know this guy, the kid that shot and
killed the firefighter's twenty year old, he apparently killed himself,
so he saved the state.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Of life, that's right. Well they found the rifle again
beside him or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Right, Well, at least he had the decency to take him.
This this guy Coburger, he thought he was swart enough
and he was going to be able to get away
with it. I heard someone, yes the last hour, that
he brought like a dustbuster with him. He was going
to clean up to make sure there were no fibers,
no hears left at the crime scene. He thought he
was swater than everybody, and he almost right.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So what do you call that? Manslaught and tension to kill?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
No, that's murder. That's murder, murder in the first degree,
up close and personal.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, right, So what's pre meta murder?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Again?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Premeditated murder is basically, you can you can form a
judgment and a decision premed it A lot of people
think premeditated murders you gotta sit down, you got to
plant it out, you got to figure out when you're
going to do it, how you're going to do it.
That can be premeditated murder. But you're able to formulate,
according to the law, what it's called P and D
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premeditation and deliberation in a matter of a couple of seconds.
You know, if all of a sudden, you know, uh,
me and slaughter is when uh, you know, a couple
of guys get in a fight and one guy hits
a guy with a lucky punch and he hits his
head on a cement step and he dies. There was
no intention for that guy. The guy threw a punch.
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It was dangerous. He shouldn't be throwing a punch. But
first agreement, this kid was looking at first degree murder
capital offense, first degree murder in Idaho, death penalty. And
four he's the he's this is for not this is
one to three, this is four.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
No way that he should now another thing to another case.
That's hi profile out there. Okay, is that Kylie? You
know that little Kylie that's kidnapped and killed by the father.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
In Idaho.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, it was on the TV. No right from there
New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, no, that's that's a little girl named Harmony.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Harmony.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm sorry, Yeah, well he's sorry. Yeah, he's been convicted
in New Hampshire. So yeah, I mean, I don't want
to go through them all, but I think you make
some really interesting points. And again there are some just
some sick people who do not deserve our money. Should
not be spent on keeping this guy alive. That's all
I'm saying. It could be spent in a lot, that's right. Anyways,
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you got it, Dorian, Thanks very much. You'll lit the
phones up for us here doing good job. Thank you
all right, have a great night. Six thirty. That's the
only line open. Uh, we are gonna go next to
nobody's waiting long. We got Lillian Walpole, Lauren and Plymouth
John in New York and one that will get that
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name and the only one line six one, seven thirty dial.
Now get through and we'll have you on coming back
on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Back to the phones we go. We're talking about the
Brian Kolberger quadruple murder case in Idaho. He has been able,
or I should say, the prosecutors were willing to accept
a guilty plea of four murders and he will avoid
the death penalty. Lily in Walpole, Hi, Lily, how are
(09:47):
you hey?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Good again?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Ton't I do great?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Thanks for calling in excellent listen.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I'm clong. My son was it when he's going to
Emmanuel stamped four times and bring them shortly, and they
caught the brothers that did it, but none of them
did time. Because my son didn't want me to go
on court and have to listen to what happened.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Really, Yeah, I can understand he wants to protect you,
but you didn't have to go to that one, right,
I mean he would have had to have testified. I assume.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, and so he chose.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
He chose not to testify, and.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Did they want I have no idea two and some
kinds time in jail.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I really don't know really what happened. Really, I can't
get anoganizen.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Let me ask you this, how is your son doing?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
He's doing the way things?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
God?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
How long ago was the son the victim of this assault?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Man? It was a tant and I think it was
he's going on manual his I think it was like
nineteen twenty nineteen. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I'm not going now.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's okay, So that's six years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Yeah, okay, fine, So I assume he's graduated from college
at this point. Yeah, he's all his work and he's
joined great front people.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, Well, are on family radio here. You could say
you could say something like I would, I'd be very upset.
I'd be very angry.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't scratch my.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Night, good night, Lily, thank you for your call. I'd
say hello to your son for us. Okay, congratulations that
he has survived. Lauren is in Plymouth. Hi, Lauren, how
are you doing. Hi? Dan is back in town.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
So I'm driving and I'm on the Highway of US again.
I think firing squad would be wonderful and they should
put it on live television.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah. They could maybe make paid TV out of it
and give the money to the families of the victims.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
Yeah, And I think it's disgusting. I believe in crimes
and passion, like as far as like you know, lesser
murder charges for you know, crimes and passion.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I do believe those.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Again, there are there are cold blooded.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Cold blooded, disgusting killers. Need to go immediately.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
This guy, this guy plea, he figured this out. You
got to turn that radio down. You're going to be confused,
radio Lauren, thank you turned the radio down. Are you
(12:58):
you hear me? I can hear fine?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Sorry, can you hear me?
Speaker 7 (13:02):
My thirteen year olds? My thirteen year old in the car,
She can't believe I'm on the radio.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, yeah, you are on the radio. But she's got
to listen. She can listen to the whole thing tomorrow.
She goes to nightside and demand she can listen to.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Our inte Will I tell her about you all the time?
She's into politics?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh really? Okay, well some nights you someday maybe she'll
be doing what I do, and that is a talk show.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
We talked all about We talk about everything going on
in the world all all the uh, you know, things
happening all over the globe, not just the country. And
it's a very Yeah, we're in a very sad state
right now, I think, but I also think there's a
lot of good things happening as well.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Unfortunately, you're right, and unfortunately the good things don't get
the publicity that the bad things, Yeah, which is understandable,
but it's still regrettable.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
She's good.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
He's going to school to be a you know, to
save animals, you know, and I think that that's one
of the best things you can do, you think, saving people,
you know, saving animals, doing something for the you know, ecosystems,
you know something that to save the earth, you know,
jobs like that, those are the careers that are needed
(14:20):
right now. We need to really pay attention to this planet.
And these people walking on the planet are sitting in
these jails who commit these disgusting crimes, they need to
be extinguished. No, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, well I think that on cases like this. This
guy planned this assault, he circled around that night, his
car was seen on videotape. There's no question about who
it is. There, there's no scintilla of doubt now that
he has confessed to it. In my opinion, some will say, well,
(14:57):
maybe he confessed to it to avoid the death penalty.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
I gotta tell you, this guy, they even put that
on the table.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well, you know, that's apparently the defense lawyers said to
the prosecutors, offer us a deal. Most prosecutors, real good
professional prosecutors, would say, no, I'm going to I'm going
to get this. I'm going to convict news. Come on
the other thing you're angry.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
About, go ahead, Sorry, sorry, sorry, That Boston bomber, that kid,
I can't believe he's still breathing.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Almost twenty years later.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's going to get pretty I mean, unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
We need to start really you know, up and things
up and start really uh you know, getting rid of
all the bad stuff and start really focusing on the good.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah. Yeah, well it was he was twenty and thirteen,
so it's not twenty years, but it's over ten. It's
now thirteen, so he's in his fourteenth year of his
of his miserable existence.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I have no sympathies, no sympti and whatsoever, not not
not even and drop.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Lord, keep calling this program. How are you doing? By
the way, are you are you still working?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Smoking?
Speaker 7 (16:07):
I quit smoking.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's a good thing. And you know what, do it
for your daughter.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Do it for my daughter and I are on the
road right now.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I did it for my daughter.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You bet you.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
She made three She made three hundred dollars. So lemon
need today.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh that's not bad summertime.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That's a good one.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Cash business right next right next door to.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Me, thea cash business. All right, Lord, keep hanging in there,
talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Thanks, all right, all right, ran, good night.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, if you're trying to call all of a sudden,
we got a few open lines six one seven, so
a couple six one seven, two five four ten thirty
six pot seven nine three one ten thirty. Uh, this
has been a great night, interesting night last night as well.
We've had more women callers. Uh, in the last two nights.
It's almost been fifty to fifty, which for me is perfect.
(16:58):
H I always enjoy fifty percent women fifty percent men
because we get all sorts of perspectives. Feel free. If
you've never called before, become a first time caller. Right
now at six one, seven, two, five, four to ten
thirty or six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
We are talking about what was three years ago. I
mean three years ago. These students were alive. They probably
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were just started or about to start their college education,
or maybe they were high school seniors. They went to
the University of Idaho and Moscow, Idaho. Four of them
were killed in one night, early in the morning, four
thirty in the morning, by this guy, Brian Coberger. He
was a graduate student. He's now thirty, so he was
in his uh. He was twenty seven at the time
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of the murders. He plotted this out, He planned it.
He was fascinated with people who committed crimes like this
and how people could commit crimes and not be caught.
That was his goal here was to commit a heinous
crime and not be caught. Well, he committed four ainus crimes.
He killed four young people, stole their lives, stole their future,
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from them, stole by the way, not only their lives
and their future, but the future of the children that
they might have had. Each of them could have turned
around and gotten married and had a family. Their parents
would have had grandchildren through with them, through them. It's so,
it's it's it's it's the deaths of the four young people.
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It's the it's the the personal murder. He literally climbed
on the bed while they were asleep. And again, if
you can imagine one, it's like when remember when you
wake up in the middle of the night you hear
a noise. You don't even hear the noise. Unconsciously, your
windows open and it gets cold and you wake up.
Your where am I? What's going on? You're out of
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a deep, dead sleep. That's where these people were. Now,
they may have been drinking, that may have contributed to it.
But he goes into the rooms and he kills four
the fourth and he thought he was going to get
away with it. Well he didn't. But now he's been
given the biggest break of his life. The prosecutor said,
you plead guilty, We'll take the death penalty away. That
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prosecute isn't isn't worth Uh? The word prosecutor at the
end of his name. He didn't prosecute the case. This
was the case that should have been an easy case
to prosecute.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Why let this guy off the hook? I don't know. Six.
Feel free to join the conversation. We will talk a
little bit later on tonight about tonight about the big
beautiful bill that President Trump has been trumpeting. I'm not
sure this big beautiful bill's gonna make it. I will
(19:47):
explain that later on. Stay with us. My name is
Dan Ray. We'll be back on nights side right after this.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's Night's Eide with Drays Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Okay, back to the phones we go. Going to go
next to John in New York, Ky. John, welcome back.
How are you sir? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (20:09):
Hello, Dan, good evening. How you doing.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (20:12):
Dan, I'd like to know about this business for this case.
So where where was this judge at This judge has authority,
you know, I've been on journey duty. When a judge
sees something going on that shouldn't be, he kicks people out.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Of the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Right, That's what judges do.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
These prosecutors that have been kicked out of the courtroom
and fired. Well, being a new group of people in.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, I don't think the judge has the authority to
do that. John, I think that that that obviously the
the defense team, according to the prosecutors, if you believe them,
approached them and said, give us a plea deal. If
I was the prosecutor and say, what plead deal you
talking about? Let's say plea deal? This is the case. Uh,
(20:55):
this is a slam dunk. Why do we need to
give you a plea deal?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Yeah, It's like, I don't understand what this is about.
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well it almost you wonder if it might be an
embarrassment to the state of Idaho. We had Laurie on
last hour. Could it be that there are powers that
be who are saying, look, we just had you know,
two firefighters killed last weekend who were responding to a
fire that some nutjob set a twenty year old kid.
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He's now dead but apparently killed himself. But then you
get this case hanging in the background. Maybe maybe the
people who are in charge in Idaho are saying, let's
get rid of this case. Let's just move it. Let's
take his plea, put him away for life for life
sentences consecutive life sentences. In theory, he won't get out.
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But I don't know what some governor's going to do
thirty years from now in Idaho, do you wow?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
You know, No, I don't. But the thing is something
in this case, they should allow members of the victims
family to be on the firing squad and shoot this guy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, that's assuming they want to, you know, I mean,
I guess they have just reinstituted the firing squad, which
is fine, but hey, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
I'm sure there'd be some members that might be angry
enough that might do It's all people involved. Oh yeah,
go on, it's got to be at least two.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I'm told. By the way, I got a text
here from Laurie that says a little wrinkled. They play
a game out here. Same in Montana, where a sitting
judge will retire midterm. At that time, the governor appoints
a replacement for the remainder of the term. He or
she then has to run for election every four or
six years in a nonpartisan contest. So maybe voters might
(22:46):
have influence. Okay, so okay, that's kind of it. Here
here in Massachusetts, New York as well. I think judges
are all appointed by the governor of New York.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Correct, I'm not sure on that, you know that. I
don't remember, but I showed the Massachusets I should look
into it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, in Massachusetts, the governor's appoint judges district quot and
the governor's appoint clerks in some state clerks. In some
states clerks get elected. It's it's all depending on what
your state wants to do. So you'd go for the
death battle, you'd go for the death penalty here, John.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Right, of course you would.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes, Okay, I'm with you know.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
One other thing quick before I run on about the
thanks to to Dan Ray. Uh with the Facebook. You
know the show you do before and after the program,
the pregame as you recall, as you recall, I met
the young lady on on Facebook. Yeah, you know, yeah,
and it's still going on along and she's getting the
(23:46):
passport ready soon and uh, we're going to meet one
another very soon. It looks like in the future.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, John, if it works out, invite me to the wedding.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
You know what I'm thinking. You know what I'm thinking about.
You know what if it's a wedding it's just going
to be a small little thing, right like at dinner. Yeah,
and maybe we'll have it in Boston and you can
be invited with your wife and you don't have to
go that far.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
That would be That's that I'd be happy to do that.
We could, we could.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Help me and rage Boston, Boston. You got the harbor.
You could have a honeymoon there. You know it's in
a nice hotel.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh, there's a great hotel, right, great hotel.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
The whole thing the whales.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Did you ever see the wheals?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Have I gone to see whale watchers? Whale watching? But
I'm told, I'm told it's a great event, a great
event me too. You know how old? I mean, how
old is this is? This? Have you formalized this? John?
Are you engaged yet or no?
Speaker 8 (24:44):
No? No, I have a ring though.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okay, so let me ask you, John, Well, you have
any idea how old this young lady is?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I told you the last time. You just you know,
you kind of you dwell the moment. Let's say, throw baby, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
How old is she?
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Thirty?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
She's thirty and you're older than she.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
I assume oh seventhy Okay, Well I would just doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know, sometimes John, look, do what you gotta do.
But remember, as as your mother once told you, sometimes
when something looks too good to be true, it can
be to be true. That's all I'm saying. I don't
want you to get You know, maybe this is the
love of your life, and I would be delighted if
you were brought together through Nightside. I'm serious when I
(25:36):
say that. I'm totally serious.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
I know, I know. It's like you know, we'll see
how it goes.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's faded, it's whatever you want to call it. It's karma. Okay,
thank you for.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Your combination advice and warning. Let's call it.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Look, if if I consider people who call my show
as friends, and you know, that's a I mean, look,
she may be wonderful, and I hope she can't remember.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
You had that program just about a week or two
before I met her about you had people calling in
that were older than their wife. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Okay, you had guys that were like thirty and forty
years older than their wife that were calling you and
telling you about it. Do you recall that, yes.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I do.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We might have been talking about Bill Belichick. That might
have been what prompted that normally is something that prompts us. Look,
I have friends who have had younger wives. I'm not
knocking that. I'm just saying that, just you know, don't
rush into anything and use your best judgment and that's all.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's a possibility I might
just end up being a sugar daddy, you know what
I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, you don't want to be that, trust me, No
I don't.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Oh yeah, of course not. Yeah, well isn't it yeah,
I will.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Oh, it is very it is very costly, and it
could be very costly. So yeah, just you know, Joe,
what do you do for a living out there? You
told me once before you work? I think in.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
General general Letri and Schenectady.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yes, that's right, I was gonna say, I plant.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Yeah, okay, it's the it's the plant where we built
the big power generators that light the cities.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's beautiful. That's beautiful.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Oh it is. Oh yeah, they're big.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I don't know if you have a soul on them.
But what we built, it goes into power plants and
sometimes nuclear runs it and sometimes you know, uh, the
steam with the turbine, you know, burning gas and know
all all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, we just I just want to tell you that
we have had listeners in the Philippines before. Okay, so
maybe someone told this woman about it. I don't know,
but you know, just just use your best judgment. That's all.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
You get calls. You get people that call you from there.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I had a fellow who used to call quite often
from there. He was an American who had settled in
the Philippines's name was Eugene.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Oh okay, he was listening to your program online then,
all right, of course, of course, yeah, yeah, Well I
can listen to my car on on the on the
on the groundway but night. You know a lot of
times you can pick it up.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
In a car. It's what we call terrestual radio. And
then you also can pull down the new and improved
WB rather the iHeart app. You could make us your
first free set on your.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
What's in my phone right now that I'm talking on
you with you know what I mean that I'm listening
to a program.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and when you pull the app down, there's a
red button with a white microphone. You make us your
first preset and you can just press that button and
you can leave us messages thirty second messages and when
we do, Rob Robel play them. Rob. If you find
some messages tonight, make sure you let me know and
we'll play one of them for John.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Okay, Oh really, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, okay, it's just it's just another little feature. You know,
a lot of a lot of stuff. Hey, John, we've
gone really long here. I gotta get I gotta break here.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
And I understand I talk. Thank you, Thank you, buddy.
I have a good night, Dan, Okay, you too much.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Good night. All right, all right, let's uh take a
quick break here on Nightside. Uh the only lines open
are six one seven, coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, let's go to the Phone's gonna go to John
in debt Ham. You're correct, Rob, John and Debdham go ahead, John.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Hey Dan, I think you hit it on ahead a
couple of times. I'm sure you research people can look
this up. Try to remember where this guy was on
death Row. And I know he was a letter throw
a victim's impact Sam. He was laughing at the victims family.
He's basically saying I got air conditioning, I got three
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meals a day, I got three capable and I get
to exercise every day.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Right, it's like there's no accountability anymore. I know this
is a political statement, but it's kind of related. You know,
you talk, you look at the stuff that's going on
to Biden administration. All the Democrats want to say, oh,
we're looking forward. There has to be accountability. When is
there accountability? And we saw how easy it was for
somebody in the Biden administration to pardon all these people. So,
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like you said, twenty years from now, there's no family
members around to fight it. Can a governor pardon a
murder of sentence?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh, you can have you can have medical parole. During COVID,
for example, there were plenty of people who were sent
home and there's sentences.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, we're terminated, suspended or whatever, or they were turned
into house arrest. Yeah. I mean there are circumstances, and
circumstances change, and you look at crimes different and you know,
the victims' families die and go away, and you know
the parents of these kids are going to pass on,
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and maybe they're brothers and sisters if they have any,
move to another part of the country and they don't
want to be remembered as the siblings of a murder victim.
So sad, but true, it changes, it changes, and it
doesn't change for the better for society.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
So I talked how far we moved out from like
nine to eleven, how angry we all were in nine
to eleven. Now you know, it's almost like not even
thought about anymore than when we lost three thousand people.
And it's, like I said, it's like all it takes
is didn't New Hampshire switch their laws and go for
anybody who in death row is no longer in death
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row or something like that.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, I think that New Hampshire still has the death penalty.
I stayed to be corrected on that. But there are
states that well. In Massachusetts, they have changed life without parole.
For example, they now say that if you were under
the age of eighteen and committed a heinous crime for
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which you were given life without parole, that's unconstitutional because
no one's mind is fully formed by the age of eighteen.
So there's an example where a court comes in, So
you have all of these these people, and again it's
not a lot of them, but they committed horrific crimes.
They have murder ie convictions, life without parole, and now
they're parole eligible in fifteen years because some judges.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Yeah, Massachusetts, somebody put up the marathon bout them before,
and I was going to bring it up like this guy,
I'm sure still gets to talk to his family on
a regular basis, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Anything, and you know better than I do. They say
it's more expensive to put some of to death than
to let him live his life in prison.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
By the way, I disagree. I disagree with that. If
the marathon bomber was I think twenty when he went away,
he's now more than thirty, he's thirty two. If he
lives at actuarial tables till till he's eighty five, they're
going to spend a heck of a lot more money
than if they had expedited death. You know, you have
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lawyers just keep coming up with appeals. We're going to
appeal this ineffective assistance and counsel. We're gonna appeel this issue.
We're gonna appeal that. We're gonna appeal that. That's good
to go back it's like it's an inexhaustible supply of
appeals at some point. At some point, I think that
when there's no question about someone's guilt, where there's no
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no doubt whatsoever, there's no scintilla of doubt, that's a
standard that I would create, a no sintilla of doubt
and aggravating circumstances like the marathon bombing. See you later, amigo.
Your time is.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Up, and I'll say one last thing is with extended appeals,
as you just said, hire the extra judges, hire the
extra government for government personnel. Twelve months. You have one
year of appeals.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh you could could you could make it. You could
make it even you could make it much more liberal.
You could say two, three, four years. But again depending
upon the case. I mean, if if, if someone can
has any potential to prove their innocence, they should not
be killed by the state. But when there's no it
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isn't a question of, uh, we've convicted you beyond a
reasonable doubt. No, we know that you did this beyond
a scintilla of doubt. You know I I know beyond
the sintilla of doubt that the sun rose this morning
in the east. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow
in the but I can't prove that yet.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I totally agree with it. I think if that prosecution
takes that plea deal, he needs to fired immediately. Whatever
they do to get him either.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I can't even imagine what these parents are going through.
I can't imagine it all.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
John. I appreciate the call very much. We'll talk soon. Okay,
thank you much, have a great night. Let me go
to Bill in Pennsylvania. Bill, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Yeah, I'm going good. Dan. How you doing?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'm fine. What's your take on this?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Well? My take is what's worse for a prosecutor to
take the death penalty off the table before the guy
has trial is tried, or for president of the United
States to pardon forty six out of forty nine death
row inmates. And that is wait, okay, so you pardon
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forty forty six out of forty nine. What about the
other three? I mean, yeah, the other the.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Other three that they pardon. If I'm not mistaken, we're
Dylan Ruth, the guy who killed the innocent black people
at a church. Also the guy that I shot up
the Tree of Life synagogue. In your estate near Pittsburgh
and the Boston bomber.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
So they say, I'm saying. Yeah, what I'm saying is
and here in Pennsylvania, Dan our governor has put a
moratorium on on death penalty here.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, Well, what I would only say to you, Bill
is elections have consequences.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
And that's that's right, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
What a governor can do. We we had the death
penalty in Massachusetts as recently as the year two thousand
and because of the vote of one legislator, the death
penalty was was eliminated. So yeah, you know, elections have consequences.
That's so sad. I mean, it's it's it's when we
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run our society, as simple as that, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
But if a Dan, if a guy, if a guy
says I'm against the death penalty, okay, like like uh
President Biden, Okay, hey, I'm against the death penalty. It's
against my my uh you know, my morals or whatever.
So he pardons he partns forty six, but he let's
three on there. I mean, that doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, it makes political sense because he didn't want to
pardon again a racist in Dylan Ruth an anti semite
in the guy a tree of life and uh uh
the Boston barmber. Hey, Bill, I don't mean to cut
you short. I want to get one more in before
the break. I got it.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Hey, Dan, did you did you hear what happened at
the University of Penn today?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Nope?
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Leah Thomas was stripped of all his her medals.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Oh really, I didn't realize that. Okay, yeah, I'll look
for that story tomorrow. There's a little bit of a
news story. Thank you, Bill, help me go to Patrick
and Charles town. Patrick going to get you anymby with
the news.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
Go ahead, Patrick, here you doing Dan? Hey, listen that
kind of interesting, sort of tangential take on this thing. Okay, obviously,
I think you know if anybody deserves a death Pitlety
is this guy. There was all the planning involved in
all that, Yeah, absolutely all day long. But I had
an interesting take. There's been something bothered me about this.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
And you know, Dan, you.
Speaker 10 (38:04):
Had this kid. Let me just hand me out for
a minute. You have this kid. He has some type
of disease. I don't know if it's Aspergers or whatever.
He's a back kid in high school. He develops a
believe it or not. A heroin problem. He he work,
He drops out a community college. He gets himself somehow,
(38:25):
gets himself back in shape, goes back to community college, graduates,
gets a college degree, graduates, becomes a star student and
a master's degree under one of the leading experts and
criminology in the United States. Then him and this guy
turned his life around. Man. He then gets set. He
goes to Washington State. He finally is going to make
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his family proud.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Right.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
He gets there and he had an altercation with a
professor in September twenty third of twenty twenty two. Within
eight days, they had him called into a meeting. Within
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