July 3, 2025 • 42 mins
A child’s first experience with summer camp can be anxiety-triggering enough for them, but add the whole overnight element to the equation and you can have a complete meltdown. Educational Psychologist Dr. Ronda Goodale discussed ways you can prep your child for an overnight stay.
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Rhonda Gooddal. Hello doctor.
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They are. They are.
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So we're going to talk about summer camp. Now, there
were some kids who are already gone the trauma of
dealing with being away from home. They've already been chipped off, five, ten, fifteen,
twenty miles away. But for the kids who have yet
to go, how can you help parents say the right
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thing so little Bobby and little Susie will be comfortable
with going to camp.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Okay, I mean, I think it's a great topic because
usually children of all ages at some point will go
to some kind of camp, whether it's day camp or
overnight camp, they'll go to some sort of camp and
it's and so, first of all, I want to say
camp can be an incredibly rewarding experience for children. And
the reason is is, in many ways it's a plus
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One they can learn how to make new friends. Two,
they can learn all sorts of new activities. Three they
can learn and to appreciate how to deal with things
when it doesn't go right. They can build their resilience.
So camp offers a lot of incredible opportunities for children
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to grow in many ways. And whether it's day or
over night camp, I mean overnight camp provide an additional
challenge of kids being away from home. But some of
the major studies show that overnight camp actually is quite
a growth experience for children in general, but they have
to buy into it. I do want to say this
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that on any camp, we have to listen to children,
and we have to listen to what their own thinking
is in this, and we have to address their anxieties
in some way. They should be involved in the decision
making as much as possible, whether it's choosing a camp
with specific activities that they're particularly interested in. I know,
sometimes with overnight camps, the parents take them or they
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show them pictures, you know, through zoom of the different aspects.
They also try to find out what their anxieties are.
What are the anxieties that the child might have. I
mean sometimes it is sometimes kids don't know how to
take a shower. They've only taken a bath and they're
going to go to camp. It's just showers and giving
them those experiences, letting them take something that's very close
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to them, like so that their bed will be like
their bed, maybe a special stuffed animal or special thing
that is very important to them. And yeah, anything that
makes them feel much better. Maybe practicing sleepovers if they've
never been away, you know, like with a friend's house.
Visiting the camp is kind of would be helpful if
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the parents can do it. I know they rezoom, but
it's a little bit different to go there in person.
And sometimes and just basically not taking a lot of
time when you drop them off, in other words, don't linger,
you know, basically say goodbye. Make sure they have like
the necessary equipment to write to you, the pencils. I
mean some parents, I know in my own case that
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my daughter labeled everything for a camp. She she's going
to overnight camp. She's eight years old, she's going for
the first time. Everything's labeled. I think the major thing
is to really talk with kids and also share your
own positive experiences with the camp. What did you like?
You know, what did you find helpful, even if it's
even if it's showed them, because sometimes parents say, I
have a child with a disability, If you have a
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child who has some sort of special needs, just find
out what the camp's situation is. Do they have counselors,
what they support systems, what do they offer children? And
children can learn a lot. I even say if children
fail at home, because sometimes parents want to protect children
from failures, but by failing, they understand that they can
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be resilient, that they can understand a little bit about themselves,
whether it's a failure in an activity or a friendship.
They learn more about themselves and they can gain more
strength as they go through these experiences. I also think
of people listening to us for parents out there or
you know, is to think about your own experiences in camp.
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What worked, what didn't work? What can you share positive
with your own child. Those are some of the things
that I would say, I.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Remember my camping experience. I think I was in the
third or fourth grade and I went to a y
day camp, Camp Hondaka. I don't know where it is.
I know it took like forty five minutes to get there,
so forty five minutes outside of Boston.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Wherever it was. They had archery, they had.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Activities, and we spent like four days there and I
enjoyed that. And separately, the why had an overnight camp,
Camp oh Samoquin, and ironically recently I found the brochure
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that they gave to parents so you could see what
the camp had to offer. And I did two summers,
like four weeks at Camp ol Samoquin. But I was
also fortunate that my family had family that lived in Plimpton,
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mass So for at least six or seven summers, sometime
overlapping my elementary school years and junior high school years,
I would spend the summer at Margaret's house in Plimpton.
And these memories are still quite clear. I have one
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of those memories anyway, But it's amazing that none of
us got hurt climbing trees or doing boys stuff in
the summer in Plimpton. They had a huge property, so
we could wander over. I'm gonna say three fields worth
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a property. There was woods, we could climb what we
all called the camp tree, which was a big evergreen
tree at the foot of the woods. And tell you what,
I gotta stop. I'll keep going because it's time for
a break if you want to. You've got a son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild,
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and you might want to make a couple of comments
because you know they are hesitant about going away to camp.
We have a doctor. Now, are you a psychologist or
a psychiatrist or both?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Psychologist? I'm a psychologist, all right, So if you want
to speak, and by the way, they can talk about
their own experiences too.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
We hear that right, six one, seven, two, five, four,
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It's Night Side with Dan on w Boston's News.
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Dan is off tonight. He's off for the next seven
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in for day on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I as
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well will be back next Thursday and Friday. So plan accordingly.
I've got doctor Ronder Gooddale here and we're talking about
the kids who are hesitant about going away to camp.
Let's say they're seven years old. They've never been away
from home at camp, and they necessarily don't want to
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do this. I've got doctor Gooddial good Dale here, a psychologist,
and she's got suggestions on how you can make it
easier for your child to accept leaving home. Doctor, what
is it about leaving home that a lot of kids dislike?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, I think they're afraid. First of all, children like routines,
and you're changing their routines and they get used to how
they get up in the morning, how they do their rituals,
their friends, what their day looks like, what their evening
looks like, how do they go to bed. So you're
changing all of those rituals, which is you know, any
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change can bring some aspect of anxiety with it. So
one of the things to think about with that is
to go through what a day would be like with
them and what with their meals would be like, what
would their sleeping arrangements be like? And making things so
that you can talk about it with them and they
can and talk about their anxieties, what other anxieties about this,
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and basically to try to help them to feel more
comfortable with it. How to make their bed more like
the bed at home, how to you know, talk about
building in some of the routines even though it will change,
and also emphasizing a lot some of the new things.
And I think you were saying somethings and you were
talking about your camp experiences and more going about how
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you learn new activities. I think that's one of the
major things with camp that you learn new skills, things
that you probably are not going to learn in other places.
And also not having parents there, you're learning a lot
about how to negotiate things without your parents. So you're
building some strength about yourself as a person. You're beginning
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to more understand more about yourself. It is very important
to know who the counselors are in a camp, how
camp is run. That's very important because if a child
does run into problems, you want to know that they
have a support system and so to explain to a
child so you can say, well, if you're having problems,
you get you'll have people to talk to, you know,
so that the child does feel that they have a
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comfort zone there. That's some of the things to think
about with camp. I know myself, I actually went away
from overnight camp from the time I was four years old,
so I really had a lot of experience with overnight camp.
And I think I do remember my sister was quite young.
My mother was not well time, and that's one of
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the reasons we ended up in a Nova night camp.
But I remember my sister who really wasn't used to it.
She was just sent and she was very young. We
can talk about that in the second. The age, you know,
it was a big adjustment for her and for me
it wasn't as much it was. So you have to
know the age of the child. So that's what I
was going to say, three and four is very young,
I'm clearing when mostly overnight camp, you're talking maybe eight,
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nine and ten for starting and having other camps toforce,
like day camps or other experiences before they get sent away.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Is it more like fact? Okay?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Is it more likely that apparent? If possible? Well, sending
a child to a camp they went to.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, they do that. It's the camps still around they
will do that. And there's some camps that have been
around a long long time. And also there are camps
where brothers and sisters go, Like I know one family,
the brother has gone there a long time. I was
sister going to go there. So there's that factor. And
then in terms of overnight camps are quite costly, so people,
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depending on the family, they're you know, looking at what
are some of the options around, like we why camps
and other camp options that are available in your community
for children, because that's sometimes a factor two in the
overnight camp experience.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well, I remember when I was a kid, the one
thing I didn't like.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
No TV.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I was a child that would do my homework and
sit down in front of the TV till bedtime. And
I was fortunate that my mother and grandmother allowed me
to have a TV in my bedroom. So when I
found out I was going to camp, I said, well,
will there be TV there?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And they said no.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And when I stayed at my aunt Mogarets, she had
a TV and whether they were going to watch thing
I liked or didn't like, at least it was television
and I'm assuming now it's even much worse for kids
because you can't play with your computer or can.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You Oh no, no, most camps are not let iPads
and the phones none of that. Don't and like I
know a lot of them, they just don't do that.
The children come back with writing things. So the big
thing is they're emphasizing books. Now, let's say you have
a child who doesn't read a lot, you know, and
you can get picture I mean this graphic novel where
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it's just pictures. But then you have to also realize
a lot of them are very tied at the end
of the Day's the other thing that's different than when
you're at home. When they get there, like at bedtime,
they're exhausted, they've been running all day aring and you know, actually,
so it's a little different than when you're home because
the activities that gee it doing things and they usually
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it is even activities in camp, whether it's a campfire
with roast marshmallows, singing songs. These are some of the
fond memories that kids will have. Some kids, I mean
have cand friends. They have the rest of their lives.
They can they make friends and I can remember sometimes
kids have battles in kids. But one thing that's kind
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of interesting about it is, and I think today, in
this day and age, we have many more helicopter parents
who monitor everything goes on with the kids. What kids
learn without their parents is how they can be resilient,
how they survive without someone jumping in. And even if
something you know, they get heard or they get up
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end up being rejected. How do you deal with that
as a person?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
How do you move on?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
What do you learn about yourself? What do you learn
that's good about yourself? What is what do you learn
about connecting with other people? What do you learn about
how to make strong friendships? What do you learn about
when you don't do out something you know? How do
you go back to it? You know? What do you learn?
So the extra tremendous amount of learning that can take
place in camp that parents in their own they could
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do it. I guess the parents can provide someone, do
you think, But then they would have to actually orchestrate
many of those similar experiences. So and sometimes parent families,
instead of going to camp, have a routine where they
visit relatives, they're another part of the country. It's a
totally different routine. For they give and they're visiting different people,
they're going on a trip, they're on a car, this
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and that. So I do think it's important for families
to think about the different experiences you're exposing your children
to in the summer and what they're going to learn
from the end of that. Like schools, I know, do
a lot with the book. There's a lot of things
that schools actually try to structure for this. But I
do think that if you talk to most people who've
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go out to camp, and I'd love to see some
of our people call in their own experiences what was
good about it? One of the things that they learned
that they never would have learned anywhere else in camp
And I know for me you decided to talk about it.
You did things like archery. I know I never would
have done any other place. You know, some of the
activities that we learned very specific to camp, to the ball.
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There were certain activities that were very very different that
you might not experience in other places. Did you find
you learned the new things?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, you know, when you mentioned archery, there were bullies
at camp, and I'm sure that's still the case today
because there have always been those that will pick on
people kids their own age that they feel are weaker
by comparison. But I quickly discovered I was very good
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at archery, and I went from yeomen the entry level
scoring of being able to put an arrow in a
target or yeoman yeoman junior bowman and bowman like in
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a day and a half. And the fact that I
was that good at ten years old at putting an
arrow a good thirty yards away with precision, the bullies
left me alone. And the other thing that I developed
a kind of a skill for mumblety peg, the thing
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you had a jackknife and you would throw it from
your shoulder, from your elbow, from the back of your hand.
I forget the routine, but I kind of excelled at that.
So having a skill or a talent allowed me to
become a bit more in the general population of popularity,
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to say it in a simple way, and that's the key,
because if if you're in camp, find something that you
can do that will give the other kids a reason
to say, hey, look, Joey's pretty good at doing that,
throwing a horseshoe, Hey look Sally's pretty good at that.
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Whatever the activity may be, let's all make a gimp necklace.
It's not easy to do, and do it quickly and
in an attractive way.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
That's a skill and.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
If you can exploit your skill, you can keep the
bullies at bay. That's what I found. Tell you what,
Let me take a break. I don't want to turn
this into doctor Goodylan Morgan just having a two hour conversation.
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We have about twenty three minutes of show to go
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be back next Thursday and next Friday, and I'm always
here on Saturday. My guest right now, doctor Ronda Gooddal
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noted psychologists. I want to make sure I state that correctly.
And we're talking about the kids who are going to
be sent to overnight summer camp. It's easier in concept
concept with a tea to send them to a day
camp because they're coming home, no matter how much trepidation
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they may be dealing with in their head. They know
they're coming home at four o'clock, five o'clock, six o'clock.
But overnight for a week or two weeks or more
of camp can cause a little consternation in little Junior
or little miss. So we're looking at ways to make
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your child feel more comfortable being sent to an overnight camp.
Now this is twenty twenty five. I don't even know
if going to an overnight camp is as popular as
it was when I was a kid in the sixties,
doctor is it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, it's still very popular, but it's pretty it's very
expensive option, and that's so one of the things that think.
Luckily we have things like the Why and there's some
opportunities in that regarding some camps to us and scholarships,
but it is a really expensive thing to do, and
I think that's why sometimes you'll see parents sending the
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child a short amount of time just on that basis alone.
One of the things I was going to say though,
which I didn say before, I think generally the age
which is I mean is no fixed age, but generally
I think when kids are between seven and fifteen is
a good age for that. And I do think that
it's good to stop them in camp. Are different things
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like day camp, shorter sessions, and as you said, sometimes
The Why does offer like you had talked about, a
week or two weeks, in other words, more shortened sessions
for a child to get more used to going away
to the camp. I also think as much input as
the child can have, the better if they If it's
choice here, you know, anytime that people feel more in control,
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they feel better. So whatever choices they can make, even
about the clothing we sometimes like there's an outfit, or
even how they pack, or you know, or what they're
going to bring or you know, any or even the
activities maybe they can choose when they're in a camp,
when they look at what the camp offers. The more
choice they have, the more in control they're going to feel.
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Most of us like to have some options. So and I,
by the way, I like what you said before the
break about feeling. I think it's great for children to
get some area where they're really expert at. And like
you were saying about the archery, well I can remember
even a kid sometimes just having understanding more about cars
and more about different animals or reactivities, whether it's swimming
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or gimp as you talked about. That's a big thing
in camp, learning how to use you know, gimp and
making lariots and all that. Or it might be in
a plane camp sometimes they do singing, and that's the
other thing a camp. Sometimes they're exposed to things they
will never be exposed to again, and they find they're
good at it. Like you said, oh you're good at atrey.
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You might not have ever known that unless you went
to the camp and all of a sudden you find
out something new about yourself. And that's the other thing
you gain one knowledge about yourself, you gain more skills.
It makes you lodger as a person. I think whenever
kids have anxiety, what I do think parents a grandparents
should be doing is not just poo pulling them away.
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Find out what they are. Listen to them, you know,
don't tell them, oh, it's all going to go away,
you know, find out if they are scared of going away,
and what are you scared of? I'm scared of being
you know, just sleeping without you know, without day. Well, okay,
let's find something that's going to make you comfortable or
you know, I'm scared about what my day will look like. Okay,
let's go through the routine. And sometimes even when they're
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going to an O WHENI camp, a good thing is
for them to get Usually camps will do this, have
a list of former campus that have gone there that
they could talk to, like sort of like a guide
when they're there, you know, like a little older camp.
But what their what their anxieties were, did they overcome them,
how did they overcome them, you know, And I think
that can be helped like a buddy system, Like having
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a buddy that you know can be helpful to you
to negotiate what their experiences were. So that's another thing
to think about, you know. I do I think that
if the parents actually sometimes I'm more worried than the children.
That's the idea I want to say. So, sometimes parents
are very anxious. They get more anxious about the kids
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of what will happen. He likes this is she likes that.
You have to have I do think sometimes parents are
a little overprotective. You have to have confidence in your
own children's resilience, you know, because when you're not always
going to be there, that they can solve something. So
what happens if they cry, what happens, if they get hurt,
They're going to be okay. They're going to be okay
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if you trust, If you're in an environment where you
think that the people in charge are knowledgeable and the
parents should they should look up how their camp is
r on, they should look up the reviews. They should
talk to maybe parents who send their kids to that camp,
you know, So that in other words, the parents themselves
needs to feel more reassured that that camping experience is
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going to be a positive one for their child.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I'm sorry for interrupting you, but you mentioned that this
could be an expensive proposition. I don't know what it
would cost to send a kid two weeks to go
to a camp. But how do people listening right now,
who know that they're on a very tight shoe string
of a budget, how do they search out a camp
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that will offer a stipend to help you?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Well, so looking online is one way to do it, obviously.
I think people who are involved in any way in
religious situations, obviously the church, the temple might know of
camps where their os scholarships, that's one vehicle. Places like
the boys and Girls clubs. Will you know, usually there
is some knowledge of camps the earth and some supports
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available for children in that respect, most camps will have
some scholarships. But you know you and so let's say
a child's looking and they really love a camp, it's
all good to call, even if it's not listened. Call
the camp find out what's their options. If it was
my kid and I really really wanted to go, I
thought I would do, but I you know, it's always
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good because you never know. Sometimes things are writing, some
things are not in writing. But the local things I say,
the most visually, the more cost effective things generally are
things like why, things like in some religious organizations that
offer things. So it's either boys clubs, girls clubs, why,
things of that nature, and most of them will offer
a week or two away. And then the other thing
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to think about is if you are thinking an overnight camp,
you know, have the kids save. That's the other thing.
If they really want to go somewhere, that's another thing
they can contribute. They can save, they can do choices,
they can do things because they get money, usually from relatives,
so they can feel really part of it in a
way that's meaningful. The more they're part of it, the
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more enriched the experience will be for them, That's what
I would say. And the more you give them opportunities
the more the less that you put into it, and
the more the child puts into it, the more the
opportunity will be worthwhile for that child.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Okay, so I'm in a position where I have to
ask this question. Camping overnight is different a little for
boys versus girls. And if you want to speak to
that difference and speak to how a mother and father
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should deal with their daughter going away versus dealing with
their son going away.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So I think that's a really good question. And the
first of all, there are depending on the parent and
their feelings about all of the first I'll find out
what the kid. Always getting input from a child is
really important, So showing them the pictures and showing them
that there's all girls camps and there's all boys camp
and there's co ed camps. Coed camps usually have very
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separate areas for both places. But then there's some opportunities
at points. Obviously as the kids are old, they're like
teenage years when they're going away, there were different issues involved. Yeah,
because it's well also and because of a lot of camps,
even by fifteen or sixteen, they can be like counselors
in training. So this, Oh, that's the other thing I
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talked about. Some camps have children who are teenagers. They've
guild them so many responsibilities, learning how to deal with
things and learning how to negotiate things because they train them,
you know, to be counselors and how to deal with kids.
So that's another whole opportunity for children who are more
like fifteen who parents are saying, what am I going
to do with my fifteen year old?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean, so that's also another thing for parents to
think about. The counsel in training opportunities to camp, and
usually council and trainings pay much less money to go
and they get the training. So that's another thing to
think about. But yeah, looking out this type of camp
you want, Like I know, in the case of like
my daughter's child, the eight year old going, she will
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looked at everything and decided to go to an all
girl camp. That's what she wanted. Okay, that's what they
looked for. And then another friend's daughter decided she wanted
to go to Kayo White camp. All right, both the
same age, So it's you know, each child has different again,
the more comfort zone, more interest. As much as a
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child can make some choices here, that's a good thing
to do.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Be evolved as possible.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
As much as possible, as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Let me stop, you I think I gotta take a
break every now and then. Let me stop, and we'll
pick up right where we've left off. And I'm going
to say this again, this has been a tutorial between
the doctor and myself some of you us have questioned
some of you must want to raise a point. You've
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got maybe twelve minutes to do so six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten
thirty time and temperature eleven forty five seventy one degrees.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
All right, eight minutes of show to go. This is
Morgan Morgan White Junior. Normally you hear me on Saturday,
which reminds me. This Saturday, there is a production based
on the life of Judy Tanuda, and I'm gonna be
speaking with Taylor Blackwell this Saturday night about that production,
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and as well, I'll be doing trivia because this is
the July fourth weekend. I wrote questions that all evolve
around special holidays. They could be just another day, or
they could be Christmas, first day of spring. You'll see
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that'll be this Saturday tomorrow, being Friday, July fourth. I
mentioned Bill and Bo Winnaker will be here talking about
their career, and they've gone away to Maine. They are
sacrificing some of their time on vacation to be on
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Night Side with me and I do appreciate that. And
Jack Hart, he'll be here ten to midnight and we'll
be reviewing some of the special events people circumstances around
the fourth of July. But right now, for another seven
or eight minutes, I've got psychologist doctor Ron good deal
(35:02):
and doctor what should we let people know about you
that may put a special light on your career.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So I think what makes my particular background interesting is
I've worked with a lot of school age kids about
my whole life, as both a psychologist and as an educator,
and I've done a lot of work with children with disabilities,
and so I think that makes my experiences a little
bit unique in the sense that, you know, I did
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supervised psychologists, but I also have worked with teachers a lot,
so you know, and so therefore, talking about something in
the camp, I'm working with people who work in those situations,
and so I can I basically that is what I
feel very much that I can support, although of course
I know a lot about adults too, but that's my focus.
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I wanted to mention two things I forgot to mention.
American Camping Association is a very very important point. Go
to google it. It's worldwide. It's you know, American Camp Association,
and they lift all the camps and what's good about camps,
what's bad about camps, and all of those information, and
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also in terms of more reasonable camps, Girl boys, Scout, campfire,
all those types of camps are also places to think about.
I wanted to make sure I said that for parents
who are looking for, you know, looking at resources for
camps and reviews about camps and what certain camps are like.
The other thing that I didn't say, which is kind
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of important, parents should understand when the kids go away,
that's an opportunity for you as adults to find time
for yourself to do things. And I know a lot
of times, I know that sounds funny, but a lot
of times this is when the people go out and
do their own hobbies. You know, they have more free
time because usually when your kids at home, you don't
have that. So it's an opportunity for couples or individuals
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to develop some of the things they like to do
their hobbies. It could be golfing or just reading books
or whatever, the walks, whatever they like to do. I
think sometimes that that's a very interesting like sidebar here
that it gives an opportunity when people are with their
children all the time, you know, to really having that
space of time for themselves too, as individuals or couples
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or whatever. So that's another whole little thing that is
like a sidebar. And the reason I say that is
sometimes you talk to families own and I'm not going
on a reason that the couple is going on a
vacation or so it's kind of interesting to see what
the parents do are the you know, our parent does
when the child basically goes away to overnight camp.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Give credit to sleeping late on a Saturday and or
a Sunday. The fact that the child's are camp and
you don't have to get up with them and fix breakfast.
You don't have to get up and do anything as
a supervisor of your child. Your child somebody else's issue
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for the next two weeks a one week sleep late.
My son, my son who lives in South Carolina, his
wife and two children, flew up on Tuesday to spend
some time in this area. They were from this area,
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but they moved to South Carolina a couple of years ago.
But the key is a traditional approach. She sat in
between the two kids on the plane. He was in
a separate seat and he liked.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
It that way.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So his wife was the supervisor of a five year
old and a nine months old. Not an easy position
to have, and.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Especially on a plane.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Have you ever done that as far as being on
the plane with your kids?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yes, oh, yes, yes, yes, quickly, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I can remember actually at the trip when one of
my kids was three months old, and I remember taking them.
I do remember this so funny in California and we
were and we went into uh, you know, the Alcatraz prison,
and I had the baby with me them thinking about this,
and the door closed and she just cried because I forgot.
The sound was so even though yeah, even even though
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it so anyway, yes, I did quite a bit of
traveling and yeah, so it's a little crazy. You never
know what they're going to do. It's very unpredictable with
little infants. But anyway, yeah, so I do want to say,
and now we're getting to the end. I really hope
I mean I took o we didn't get more people
calling about their own camping experiences. I hope people out there,
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you know, will encourage if they themselves. You have people
in realize either friends, which most people obviously have friends,
or family who have children. This is a really good
experience for kids to do this. And you know, I
really encouraged them to do this, to send kids away
to a camp at some point, even if it's for
a short period of time, because it really is a
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very valuable experience for kids to have, right.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
And I'm thankful in my childhood that I had that
experience because it did teach me how to get along
with other kids. It's funny because I was a member
of the YMCA on Huntington Avenue and to interact with
those kids, basically it was like interacting with some of
the kids with which I went to school, the C. C.
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Perkins School on Saint patolf But now it expanded out
and I had to get along with a whole bunch
of kids from not my neighborhood, not my YMCA. These
were kids that were from all over the state of Massachusetts.
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And you think a swim and I fortunately learned to
swim and learned to adjust. And now at that point,
I got like thirty seconds that they say thank you
and good.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Night to you.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You know, I'll have you on again, and I know
that tonight's just a holiday weekend. Circumstances probably played into
not getting phone calls, but you know your advice is
well respected. And I want to thank you for being
on with me.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
And I really enjoyed it as much. And I really
do hope that people have a nice shall life for summer.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
And I also want to say thank you for Jordan
rich Don a helper, and Joyce Goo Heywick. I'll be
here tomorrow and tomorrow Bill but Winnaker will.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Be joining me.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Jack Hart will be joining me. Thank you to Rob
and Shane who are in busy control. Thank you Nancy,
and thank you Greg.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Wherever you are. Please be safe.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
This weekend, pretty pretty, Please be as safe as you
can be. I'll be back tomorrow at eight. Bye, Boston,
It's night side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you Boston's video the last hour of me
being here filling in for Dan Ray tonight, and I'll
be here tomorrow night. And I'm mentioning this because you
have to cross promote and let people know what you've
got upcoming and planned. And I'm saying this because I
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know my next guest is on hold and hearing me.
Tomorrow night. They are calling for Maine. They're on their vacation,
and the sacrifice in two hours of their vacation to
be on the Dan Ratio night side with me Bill
and Beau Winnaker. I hope you heard that. Doctor Bill
(00:49):
and Bow will be here tomorrow from eight until ten
and then at ten because it's the fourth of July.
I've got Jack Hart, who's like my local historian. His
day job is driving around a tour bus letting all
the tourists that come into Boston know over there is
where this happened, and over there is where that happened.
(01:12):
And he'll be here from ten to midnight giving us
some July fourth history. So that's my nightside plan for
tomorrow evening. And you heard me referring to a doctor.
I first had her on during the marathon bombing, and
how parents could explain that event to children. We as adults,
(01:39):
we've become kind of jaded an acceptance of these terrorist circumstances,
But being a kid in the third, fourth, fifth grade,
it took a special hand and guidance to help them
understand that. Where my next guest shines. Please welcome doctor
(02:05):
Rhonda Gooddal. Hello doctor.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Hello, I'm looking. I'm very happy by the way to
hear the Winnick is coming on to work.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I saved promoting that until I knew you were here
because I know they have won you over with their entertainment.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh yes, I think they're unbelievably great.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
They are. They are.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So we're going to talk about summer camp. Now, there
were some kids who are already gone the trauma of
dealing with being away from home. They've already been chipped off, five, ten, fifteen,
twenty miles away. But for the kids who have yet
to go, how can you help parents say the right
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thing so little Bobby and little Susie will be comfortable
with going to camp.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Okay, I mean, I think it's a great topic because
usually children of all ages at some point will go
to some kind of camp, whether it's day camp or
overnight camp, they'll go to some sort of camp and
it's and so, first of all, I want to say
camp can be an incredibly rewarding experience for children. And
the reason is is, in many ways it's a plus
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One they can learn how to make new friends. Two,
they can learn all sorts of new activities. Three they
can learn and to appreciate how to deal with things
when it doesn't go right. They can build their resilience.
So camp offers a lot of incredible opportunities for children
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to grow in many ways. And whether it's day or
over night camp, I mean overnight camp provide an additional
challenge of kids being away from home. But some of
the major studies show that overnight camp actually is quite
a growth experience for children in general, but they have
to buy into it. I do want to say this
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that on any camp, we have to listen to children,
and we have to listen to what their own thinking
is in this, and we have to address their anxieties
in some way. They should be involved in the decision
making as much as possible, whether it's choosing a camp
with specific activities that they're particularly interested in. I know,
sometimes with overnight camps, the parents take them or they
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show them pictures, you know, through zoom of the different aspects.
They also try to find out what their anxieties are.
What are the anxieties that the child might have. I
mean sometimes it is sometimes kids don't know how to
take a shower. They've only taken a bath and they're
going to go to camp. It's just showers and giving
them those experiences, letting them take something that's very close
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to them, like so that their bed will be like
their bed, maybe a special stuffed animal or special thing
that is very important to them. And yeah, anything that
makes them feel much better. Maybe practicing sleepovers if they've
never been away, you know, like with a friend's house.
Visiting the camp is kind of would be helpful if
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the parents can do it. I know they rezoom, but
it's a little bit different to go there in person.
And sometimes and just basically not taking a lot of
time when you drop them off, in other words, don't linger,
you know, basically say goodbye. Make sure they have like
the necessary equipment to write to you, the pencils. I
mean some parents, I know in my own case that
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my daughter labeled everything for a camp. She she's going
to overnight camp. She's eight years old, she's going for
the first time. Everything's labeled. I think the major thing
is to really talk with kids and also share your
own positive experiences with the camp. What did you like?
You know, what did you find helpful, even if it's
even if it's showed them, because sometimes parents say, I
have a child with a disability, If you have a
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child who has some sort of special needs, just find
out what the camp's situation is. Do they have counselors,
what they support systems, what do they offer children? And
children can learn a lot. I even say if children
fail at home, because sometimes parents want to protect children
from failures, but by failing, they understand that they can
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be resilient, that they can understand a little bit about themselves,
whether it's a failure in an activity or a friendship.
They learn more about themselves and they can gain more
strength as they go through these experiences. I also think
of people listening to us for parents out there or
you know, is to think about your own experiences in camp.
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What worked, what didn't work? What can you share positive
with your own child. Those are some of the things
that I would say, I.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Remember my camping experience. I think I was in the
third or fourth grade and I went to a y
day camp, Camp Hondaka. I don't know where it is.
I know it took like forty five minutes to get there,
so forty five minutes outside of Boston.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Wherever it was. They had archery, they had.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Activities, and we spent like four days there and I
enjoyed that. And separately, the why had an overnight camp,
Camp oh Samoquin, and ironically recently I found the brochure
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that they gave to parents so you could see what
the camp had to offer. And I did two summers,
like four weeks at Camp ol Samoquin. But I was
also fortunate that my family had family that lived in Plimpton,
(07:54):
mass So for at least six or seven summers, sometime
overlapping my elementary school years and junior high school years,
I would spend the summer at Margaret's house in Plimpton.
And these memories are still quite clear. I have one
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of those memories anyway, But it's amazing that none of
us got hurt climbing trees or doing boys stuff in
the summer in Plimpton. They had a huge property, so
we could wander over. I'm gonna say three fields worth
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a property. There was woods, we could climb what we
all called the camp tree, which was a big evergreen
tree at the foot of the woods. And tell you what,
I gotta stop. I'll keep going because it's time for
a break if you want to. You've got a son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild,
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and you might want to make a couple of comments
because you know they are hesitant about going away to camp.
We have a doctor. Now, are you a psychologist or
a psychiatrist or both?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Psychologist? I'm a psychologist, all right, So if you want
to speak, and by the way, they can talk about
their own experiences too.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
We hear that right, six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine, ten thirty.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Please do call in. Time and temperature.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Eleven seventeen seventy one degrees.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It's Night Side with Dan on w Boston's News.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Dan is off tonight. He's off for the next seven
night sides tonight. Obviously, I've been here since eight tomorrow
and all next week, but I'm here tonight. I'm here tomorrow.
Bradley Jay has returned to the fold. He'll be filling
in for day on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I as
(10:10):
well will be back next Thursday and Friday. So plan accordingly.
I've got doctor Ronder Gooddale here and we're talking about
the kids who are hesitant about going away to camp.
Let's say they're seven years old. They've never been away
from home at camp, and they necessarily don't want to
(10:33):
do this. I've got doctor Gooddial good Dale here, a psychologist,
and she's got suggestions on how you can make it
easier for your child to accept leaving home. Doctor, what
is it about leaving home that a lot of kids dislike?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, I think they're afraid. First of all, children like routines,
and you're changing their routines and they get used to how
they get up in the morning, how they do their rituals,
their friends, what their day looks like, what their evening
looks like, how do they go to bed. So you're
changing all of those rituals, which is you know, any
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change can bring some aspect of anxiety with it. So
one of the things to think about with that is
to go through what a day would be like with
them and what with their meals would be like, what
would their sleeping arrangements be like? And making things so
that you can talk about it with them and they
can and talk about their anxieties, what other anxieties about this,
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and basically to try to help them to feel more
comfortable with it. How to make their bed more like
the bed at home, how to you know, talk about
building in some of the routines even though it will change,
and also emphasizing a lot some of the new things.
And I think you were saying somethings and you were
talking about your camp experiences and more going about how
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you learn new activities. I think that's one of the
major things with camp that you learn new skills, things
that you probably are not going to learn in other places.
And also not having parents there, you're learning a lot
about how to negotiate things without your parents. So you're
building some strength about yourself as a person. You're beginning
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to more understand more about yourself. It is very important
to know who the counselors are in a camp, how
camp is run. That's very important because if a child
does run into problems, you want to know that they
have a support system and so to explain to a
child so you can say, well, if you're having problems,
you get you'll have people to talk to, you know,
so that the child does feel that they have a
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comfort zone there. That's some of the things to think
about with camp. I know myself, I actually went away
from overnight camp from the time I was four years old,
so I really had a lot of experience with overnight camp.
And I think I do remember my sister was quite young.
My mother was not well time, and that's one of
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the reasons we ended up in a Nova night camp.
But I remember my sister who really wasn't used to it.
She was just sent and she was very young. We
can talk about that in the second. The age, you know,
it was a big adjustment for her and for me
it wasn't as much it was. So you have to
know the age of the child. So that's what I
was going to say, three and four is very young,
I'm clearing when mostly overnight camp, you're talking maybe eight,
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nine and ten for starting and having other camps toforce,
like day camps or other experiences before they get sent away.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Is it more like fact? Okay?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Is it more likely that apparent? If possible? Well, sending
a child to a camp they went to.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, they do that. It's the camps still around they
will do that. And there's some camps that have been
around a long long time. And also there are camps
where brothers and sisters go, Like I know one family,
the brother has gone there a long time. I was
sister going to go there. So there's that factor. And
then in terms of overnight camps are quite costly, so people,
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depending on the family, they're you know, looking at what
are some of the options around, like we why camps
and other camp options that are available in your community
for children, because that's sometimes a factor two in the
overnight camp experience.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well, I remember when I was a kid, the one
thing I didn't like.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
No TV.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I was a child that would do my homework and
sit down in front of the TV till bedtime. And
I was fortunate that my mother and grandmother allowed me
to have a TV in my bedroom. So when I
found out I was going to camp, I said, well,
will there be TV there?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And they said no.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And when I stayed at my aunt Mogarets, she had
a TV and whether they were going to watch thing
I liked or didn't like, at least it was television
and I'm assuming now it's even much worse for kids
because you can't play with your computer or can.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You Oh no, no, most camps are not let iPads
and the phones none of that. Don't and like I
know a lot of them, they just don't do that.
The children come back with writing things. So the big
thing is they're emphasizing books. Now, let's say you have
a child who doesn't read a lot, you know, and
you can get picture I mean this graphic novel where
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it's just pictures. But then you have to also realize
a lot of them are very tied at the end
of the Day's the other thing that's different than when
you're at home. When they get there, like at bedtime,
they're exhausted, they've been running all day aring and you know, actually,
so it's a little different than when you're home because
the activities that gee it doing things and they usually
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it is even activities in camp, whether it's a campfire
with roast marshmallows, singing songs. These are some of the
fond memories that kids will have. Some kids, I mean
have cand friends. They have the rest of their lives.
They can they make friends and I can remember sometimes
kids have battles in kids. But one thing that's kind
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of interesting about it is, and I think today, in
this day and age, we have many more helicopter parents
who monitor everything goes on with the kids. What kids
learn without their parents is how they can be resilient,
how they survive without someone jumping in. And even if
something you know, they get heard or they get up
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end up being rejected. How do you deal with that
as a person?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
How do you move on?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
What do you learn about yourself? What do you learn
that's good about yourself? What is what do you learn
about connecting with other people? What do you learn about
how to make strong friendships? What do you learn about
when you don't do out something you know? How do
you go back to it? You know? What do you learn?
So the extra tremendous amount of learning that can take
place in camp that parents in their own they could
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do it. I guess the parents can provide someone, do
you think, But then they would have to actually orchestrate
many of those similar experiences. So and sometimes parent families,
instead of going to camp, have a routine where they
visit relatives, they're another part of the country. It's a
totally different routine. For they give and they're visiting different people,
they're going on a trip, they're on a car, this
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and that. So I do think it's important for families
to think about the different experiences you're exposing your children
to in the summer and what they're going to learn
from the end of that. Like schools, I know, do
a lot with the book. There's a lot of things
that schools actually try to structure for this. But I
do think that if you talk to most people who've
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go out to camp, and I'd love to see some
of our people call in their own experiences what was
good about it? One of the things that they learned
that they never would have learned anywhere else in camp
And I know for me you decided to talk about it.
You did things like archery. I know I never would
have done any other place. You know, some of the
activities that we learned very specific to camp, to the ball.
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There were certain activities that were very very different that
you might not experience in other places. Did you find
you learned the new things?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, you know, when you mentioned archery, there were bullies
at camp, and I'm sure that's still the case today
because there have always been those that will pick on
people kids their own age that they feel are weaker
by comparison. But I quickly discovered I was very good
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at archery, and I went from yeomen the entry level
scoring of being able to put an arrow in a
target or yeoman yeoman junior bowman and bowman like in
(19:04):
a day and a half. And the fact that I
was that good at ten years old at putting an
arrow a good thirty yards away with precision, the bullies
left me alone. And the other thing that I developed
a kind of a skill for mumblety peg, the thing
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you had a jackknife and you would throw it from
your shoulder, from your elbow, from the back of your hand.
I forget the routine, but I kind of excelled at that.
So having a skill or a talent allowed me to
become a bit more in the general population of popularity,
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to say it in a simple way, and that's the key,
because if if you're in camp, find something that you
can do that will give the other kids a reason
to say, hey, look, Joey's pretty good at doing that,
throwing a horseshoe, Hey look Sally's pretty good at that.
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Whatever the activity may be, let's all make a gimp necklace.
It's not easy to do, and do it quickly and
in an attractive way.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
That's a skill and.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
If you can exploit your skill, you can keep the
bullies at bay. That's what I found. Tell you what,
Let me take a break. I don't want to turn
this into doctor Goodylan Morgan just having a two hour conversation.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
We've only got a half hour show to go, but
call in.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Share your experiences that you had when you were a kid,
or your experience it says through your child six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine, ten thirty.
This is night Side, and I would love your participation.
This is the final half hour of night Side. Don't
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Pretty pretty please.
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Time and temperature eleven thirty seventy one degrees.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
We have about twenty three minutes of show to go
here on night Side. I'm Morgan Morgan White Junior. I'm
filling in for Dan Ray, who's got the next seven
night Sides off, and I've gone over the schedule. I'll
do it again real quick. I'm here now until midnight.
I'll be here tomorrow eight to midnight. Bradley Jay will
(21:59):
be back Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and I'm almost sure
it's Monday. Peter Wolf, Yes, that Peter Wolf will be
here on wbz's Night Side with Bradley Jay Monday. I'll
be back next Thursday and next Friday, and I'm always
here on Saturday. My guest right now, doctor Ronda Gooddal
(22:24):
noted psychologists. I want to make sure I state that correctly.
And we're talking about the kids who are going to
be sent to overnight summer camp. It's easier in concept
concept with a tea to send them to a day
camp because they're coming home, no matter how much trepidation
(22:48):
they may be dealing with in their head. They know
they're coming home at four o'clock, five o'clock, six o'clock.
But overnight for a week or two weeks or more
of camp can cause a little consternation in little Junior
or little miss. So we're looking at ways to make
(23:11):
your child feel more comfortable being sent to an overnight camp.
Now this is twenty twenty five. I don't even know
if going to an overnight camp is as popular as
it was when I was a kid in the sixties,
doctor is it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, it's still very popular, but it's pretty it's very
expensive option, and that's so one of the things that think.
Luckily we have things like the Why and there's some
opportunities in that regarding some camps to us and scholarships,
but it is a really expensive thing to do, and
I think that's why sometimes you'll see parents sending the
(23:50):
child a short amount of time just on that basis alone.
One of the things I was going to say though,
which I didn say before, I think generally the age
which is I mean is no fixed age, but generally
I think when kids are between seven and fifteen is
a good age for that. And I do think that
it's good to stop them in camp. Are different things
(24:11):
like day camp, shorter sessions, and as you said, sometimes
The Why does offer like you had talked about, a
week or two weeks, in other words, more shortened sessions
for a child to get more used to going away
to the camp. I also think as much input as
the child can have, the better if they If it's
choice here, you know, anytime that people feel more in control,
(24:33):
they feel better. So whatever choices they can make, even
about the clothing we sometimes like there's an outfit, or
even how they pack, or you know, or what they're
going to bring or you know, any or even the
activities maybe they can choose when they're in a camp,
when they look at what the camp offers. The more
choice they have, the more in control they're going to feel.
(24:55):
Most of us like to have some options. So and I,
by the way, I like what you said before the
break about feeling. I think it's great for children to
get some area where they're really expert at. And like
you were saying about the archery, well I can remember
even a kid sometimes just having understanding more about cars
and more about different animals or reactivities, whether it's swimming
(25:18):
or gimp as you talked about. That's a big thing
in camp, learning how to use you know, gimp and
making lariots and all that. Or it might be in
a plane camp sometimes they do singing, and that's the
other thing a camp. Sometimes they're exposed to things they
will never be exposed to again, and they find they're
good at it. Like you said, oh you're good at atrey.
(25:39):
You might not have ever known that unless you went
to the camp and all of a sudden you find
out something new about yourself. And that's the other thing
you gain one knowledge about yourself, you gain more skills.
It makes you lodger as a person. I think whenever
kids have anxiety, what I do think parents a grandparents
should be doing is not just poo pulling them away.
(26:02):
Find out what they are. Listen to them, you know,
don't tell them, oh, it's all going to go away,
you know, find out if they are scared of going away,
and what are you scared of? I'm scared of being
you know, just sleeping without you know, without day. Well, okay,
let's find something that's going to make you comfortable or
you know, I'm scared about what my day will look like. Okay,
let's go through the routine. And sometimes even when they're
(26:26):
going to an O WHENI camp, a good thing is
for them to get Usually camps will do this, have
a list of former campus that have gone there that
they could talk to, like sort of like a guide
when they're there, you know, like a little older camp.
But what their what their anxieties were, did they overcome them,
how did they overcome them, you know, And I think
that can be helped like a buddy system, Like having
(26:48):
a buddy that you know can be helpful to you
to negotiate what their experiences were. So that's another thing
to think about, you know. I do I think that
if the parents actually sometimes I'm more worried than the children.
That's the idea I want to say. So, sometimes parents
are very anxious. They get more anxious about the kids
(27:09):
of what will happen. He likes this is she likes that.
You have to have I do think sometimes parents are
a little overprotective. You have to have confidence in your
own children's resilience, you know, because when you're not always
going to be there, that they can solve something. So
what happens if they cry, what happens, if they get hurt,
They're going to be okay. They're going to be okay
(27:32):
if you trust, If you're in an environment where you
think that the people in charge are knowledgeable and the
parents should they should look up how their camp is
r on, they should look up the reviews. They should
talk to maybe parents who send their kids to that camp,
you know, So that in other words, the parents themselves
needs to feel more reassured that that camping experience is
(27:56):
going to be a positive one for their child.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I'm sorry for interrupting you, but you mentioned that this
could be an expensive proposition. I don't know what it
would cost to send a kid two weeks to go
to a camp. But how do people listening right now,
who know that they're on a very tight shoe string
of a budget, how do they search out a camp
(28:21):
that will offer a stipend to help you?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Well, so looking online is one way to do it, obviously.
I think people who are involved in any way in
religious situations, obviously the church, the temple might know of
camps where their os scholarships, that's one vehicle. Places like
the boys and Girls clubs. Will you know, usually there
is some knowledge of camps the earth and some supports
(28:49):
available for children in that respect, most camps will have
some scholarships. But you know you and so let's say
a child's looking and they really love a camp, it's
all good to call, even if it's not listened. Call
the camp find out what's their options. If it was
my kid and I really really wanted to go, I
thought I would do, but I you know, it's always
(29:11):
good because you never know. Sometimes things are writing, some
things are not in writing. But the local things I say,
the most visually, the more cost effective things generally are
things like why, things like in some religious organizations that
offer things. So it's either boys clubs, girls clubs, why,
things of that nature, and most of them will offer
a week or two away. And then the other thing
(29:34):
to think about is if you are thinking an overnight camp,
you know, have the kids save. That's the other thing.
If they really want to go somewhere, that's another thing
they can contribute. They can save, they can do choices,
they can do things because they get money, usually from relatives,
so they can feel really part of it in a
way that's meaningful. The more they're part of it, the
(29:56):
more enriched the experience will be for them, That's what
I would say. And the more you give them opportunities
the more the less that you put into it, and
the more the child puts into it, the more the
opportunity will be worthwhile for that child.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Okay, so I'm in a position where I have to
ask this question. Camping overnight is different a little for
boys versus girls. And if you want to speak to
that difference and speak to how a mother and father
(30:34):
should deal with their daughter going away versus dealing with
their son going away.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So I think that's a really good question. And the
first of all, there are depending on the parent and
their feelings about all of the first I'll find out
what the kid. Always getting input from a child is
really important, So showing them the pictures and showing them
that there's all girls camps and there's all boys camp
and there's co ed camps. Coed camps usually have very
(31:04):
separate areas for both places. But then there's some opportunities
at points. Obviously as the kids are old, they're like
teenage years when they're going away, there were different issues involved. Yeah,
because it's well also and because of a lot of camps,
even by fifteen or sixteen, they can be like counselors
in training. So this, Oh, that's the other thing I
(31:24):
talked about. Some camps have children who are teenagers. They've
guild them so many responsibilities, learning how to deal with
things and learning how to negotiate things because they train them,
you know, to be counselors and how to deal with kids.
So that's another whole opportunity for children who are more
like fifteen who parents are saying, what am I going
to do with my fifteen year old?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean, so that's also another thing for parents to
think about. The counsel in training opportunities to camp, and
usually council and trainings pay much less money to go
and they get the training. So that's another thing to
think about. But yeah, looking out this type of camp
you want, Like I know, in the case of like
my daughter's child, the eight year old going, she will
(32:08):
looked at everything and decided to go to an all
girl camp. That's what she wanted. Okay, that's what they
looked for. And then another friend's daughter decided she wanted
to go to Kayo White camp. All right, both the
same age, So it's you know, each child has different again,
the more comfort zone, more interest. As much as a
(32:29):
child can make some choices here, that's a good thing
to do.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Be evolved as possible.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
As much as possible, as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Let me stop, you I think I gotta take a
break every now and then. Let me stop, and we'll
pick up right where we've left off. And I'm going
to say this again, this has been a tutorial between
the doctor and myself some of you us have questioned
some of you must want to raise a point. You've
(33:05):
got maybe twelve minutes to do so six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten
thirty time and temperature eleven forty five seventy one degrees.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you
Bzy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
All right, eight minutes of show to go. This is
Morgan Morgan White Junior. Normally you hear me on Saturday,
which reminds me. This Saturday, there is a production based
on the life of Judy Tanuda, and I'm gonna be
speaking with Taylor Blackwell this Saturday night about that production,
(33:53):
and as well, I'll be doing trivia because this is
the July fourth weekend. I wrote questions that all evolve
around special holidays. They could be just another day, or
they could be Christmas, first day of spring. You'll see
(34:14):
that'll be this Saturday tomorrow, being Friday, July fourth. I
mentioned Bill and Bo Winnaker will be here talking about
their career, and they've gone away to Maine. They are
sacrificing some of their time on vacation to be on
(34:35):
Night Side with me and I do appreciate that. And
Jack Hart, he'll be here ten to midnight and we'll
be reviewing some of the special events people circumstances around
the fourth of July. But right now, for another seven
or eight minutes, I've got psychologist doctor Ron good deal
(35:02):
and doctor what should we let people know about you
that may put a special light on your career.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So I think what makes my particular background interesting is
I've worked with a lot of school age kids about
my whole life, as both a psychologist and as an educator,
and I've done a lot of work with children with disabilities,
and so I think that makes my experiences a little
bit unique in the sense that, you know, I did
(35:33):
supervised psychologists, but I also have worked with teachers a lot,
so you know, and so therefore, talking about something in
the camp, I'm working with people who work in those situations,
and so I can I basically that is what I
feel very much that I can support, although of course
I know a lot about adults too, but that's my focus.
(35:55):
I wanted to mention two things I forgot to mention.
American Camping Association is a very very important point. Go
to google it. It's worldwide. It's you know, American Camp Association,
and they lift all the camps and what's good about camps,
what's bad about camps, and all of those information, and
(36:15):
also in terms of more reasonable camps, Girl boys, Scout, campfire,
all those types of camps are also places to think about.
I wanted to make sure I said that for parents
who are looking for, you know, looking at resources for
camps and reviews about camps and what certain camps are like.
The other thing that I didn't say, which is kind
(36:35):
of important, parents should understand when the kids go away,
that's an opportunity for you as adults to find time
for yourself to do things. And I know a lot
of times, I know that sounds funny, but a lot
of times this is when the people go out and
do their own hobbies. You know, they have more free
time because usually when your kids at home, you don't
have that. So it's an opportunity for couples or individuals
(36:56):
to develop some of the things they like to do
their hobbies. It could be golfing or just reading books
or whatever, the walks, whatever they like to do. I
think sometimes that that's a very interesting like sidebar here
that it gives an opportunity when people are with their
children all the time, you know, to really having that
space of time for themselves too, as individuals or couples
(37:19):
or whatever. So that's another whole little thing that is
like a sidebar. And the reason I say that is
sometimes you talk to families own and I'm not going
on a reason that the couple is going on a
vacation or so it's kind of interesting to see what
the parents do are the you know, our parent does
when the child basically goes away to overnight camp.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Give credit to sleeping late on a Saturday and or
a Sunday. The fact that the child's are camp and
you don't have to get up with them and fix breakfast.
You don't have to get up and do anything as
a supervisor of your child. Your child somebody else's issue
(38:08):
for the next two weeks a one week sleep late.
My son, my son who lives in South Carolina, his
wife and two children, flew up on Tuesday to spend
some time in this area. They were from this area,
(38:31):
but they moved to South Carolina a couple of years ago.
But the key is a traditional approach. She sat in
between the two kids on the plane. He was in
a separate seat and he liked.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
It that way.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So his wife was the supervisor of a five year
old and a nine months old. Not an easy position
to have, and.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Especially on a plane.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Have you ever done that as far as being on
the plane with your kids?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yes, oh, yes, yes, yes, quickly, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I can remember actually at the trip when one of
my kids was three months old, and I remember taking them.
I do remember this so funny in California and we
were and we went into uh, you know, the Alcatraz prison,
and I had the baby with me them thinking about this,
and the door closed and she just cried because I forgot.
The sound was so even though yeah, even even though
(39:43):
it so anyway, yes, I did quite a bit of
traveling and yeah, so it's a little crazy. You never
know what they're going to do. It's very unpredictable with
little infants. But anyway, yeah, so I do want to say,
and now we're getting to the end. I really hope
I mean I took o we didn't get more people
calling about their own camping experiences. I hope people out there,
(40:04):
you know, will encourage if they themselves. You have people
in realize either friends, which most people obviously have friends,
or family who have children. This is a really good
experience for kids to do this. And you know, I
really encouraged them to do this, to send kids away
to a camp at some point, even if it's for
a short period of time, because it really is a
(40:25):
very valuable experience for kids to have, right.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
And I'm thankful in my childhood that I had that
experience because it did teach me how to get along
with other kids. It's funny because I was a member
of the YMCA on Huntington Avenue and to interact with
those kids, basically it was like interacting with some of
the kids with which I went to school, the C. C.
(40:53):
Perkins School on Saint patolf But now it expanded out
and I had to get along with a whole bunch
of kids from not my neighborhood, not my YMCA. These
were kids that were from all over the state of Massachusetts.
(41:14):
And you think a swim and I fortunately learned to
swim and learned to adjust. And now at that point,
I got like thirty seconds that they say thank you
and good.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Night to you.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You know, I'll have you on again, and I know
that tonight's just a holiday weekend. Circumstances probably played into
not getting phone calls, but you know your advice is
well respected. And I want to thank you for being
on with me.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
And I really enjoyed it as much. And I really
do hope that people have a nice shall life for summer.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
And I also want to say thank you for Jordan
rich Don a helper, and Joyce Goo Heywick. I'll be
here tomorrow and tomorrow Bill but Winnaker will.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Be joining me.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Jack Hart will be joining me. Thank you to Rob
and Shane who are in busy control. Thank you Nancy,
and thank you Greg.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Wherever you are. Please be safe.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
This weekend, pretty pretty, Please be as safe as you
can be. I'll be back tomorrow at eight. Bye, Boston,
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