July 8, 2025 • 38 mins
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Boston-based New York Times bestselling author Dave Wedge has penned a book about how boxer Marvin Hagler became marvelous! From escaping deadly riots in Newark as a boy to taking on a crooked boxing industry to win the world title in London during one of the most racially fueled and ugliest sporting events in history. Bradley chatted with Wedge, the author of Blood & Hate: The Untold Story of Marvelous Marvin Hagler's Battle for Glory.
Boston-based New York Times bestselling author Dave Wedge has penned a book about how boxer Marvin Hagler became marvelous! From escaping deadly riots in Newark as a boy to taking on a crooked boxing industry to win the world title in London during one of the most racially fueled and ugliest sporting events in history. Bradley chatted with Wedge, the author of Blood & Hate: The Untold Story of Marvelous Marvin Hagler's Battle for Glory.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY, Boston's new
radio reading's my Friends. It is night Side with Dan Ray,
Bradley Jay and for Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Tonight and tomorrow, we're now going to find out about
boxing hero local boxing hero Marvin Hagler. But we're also
going to find out about the author of the new
book about Marvin.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Dave Wedge.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Interesting cat with a lot of writing experience and he's
kind of hit the jackpot with one of his books.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So hey there, Dave, how are.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You, Bradley? How are you good? To be back on
with you?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, it's wonderful to have you. Why did you I
think your story.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Is so interesting. I'm going to just give you cot
Blonche here to tell your story. I'm sure you've told
it enough so you'll do a good job kind of concise,
but you know, you can get down into the weeds
detail wise.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
No, I appreciate that. You know. I grew up in Brockton,
and you know, I went to Boston College and then
became a reporter. So I was at the Boston Herald
for fourteen years and you know, covered everything. You know,
I went to nine to eleven and lots of you know,
murder Mayhem. As a crime reporter, did some politics, a
lot of music stuff. Over the years, I did a
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little bit of everything, and The Herald was fun like that.
We we got a lot of variety. But in twenty thirteen,
when the bombs were off at Boylston Street, I was,
you know, launched in action with the other Herald reporters
and I kind of led our coverage through that, and
that ended up leading me to my first book, which
was called Boston Strong, that I wrote with my great
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friend Casey Sherman, who had just finished a book called
The Finest Hours that became a big Disney movie. So
Casey was a producer at Channel four in Boston and
we teamed up and wrote that book. And that book
actually ended up becoming Patriots Day. So that was a
movie with Mark Wahlberg and Kevin Bacon on Goodman.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Let me get you wrote a book that actually became
that movie. That was your book.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That was my book.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, sir, this question earlier, and I'll ask you to again,
and you can give any answer you want. But the
real question is everyone's asking us, Wow, I wonder how
much he made. Now you don't have to give me
a number. But is it like I don't have to
work ever again money or you know, I can afford
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a couple of nice dinners money or you know, we're
no skill. The money you get paid for having a
book that becomes a big movie like.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
That, I mean, you know, it's it's a it's a
you know, it's a it's a fair compensation. It's my
first one, though, so I'm still working. I've since written
seven other books and I and I you know, I
do some consulting work. I do a lot of different things.
So it's not retirement money, but it's it's certainly uh,
you know, it's worth the time, that's for sure, you know.
And it was certainly a project that I was honored
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to be a part of. And you know, working with
guys like Mark Wahlberg and Peter Berg are great, you know,
but I'm you know, I'm not uh not Mark Wahlberg,
you know. And and even him all the money he has,
he's still working every day, So what's like, he's great.
I mean I had met him a few times before.
We have a lot of mutual friends, and you know,
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he's just a hard working kid from Dorchester, you know,
and uh, he's you know, he's been in some fantastic
movies and I think he was great in this And
on set he was awesome. You know, he's just just
you know, all business. But you had a few few
moments to chat with him a little bit and we
caught up a little bit about some mutual friends of
ours from Brockton, where I grew up and in South Boston.
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So you know, he's he was wonderful to work with.
And who with him again one day. Well, the director,
Peter Berg is great director. He was in He's an
actor too, He's been in a bunch of stuff and
you know, he did Friday Night Lights and uh loans
of and Sniper. He's a heck of a director. So
he was awesome to work with. And Kevin Bacon was
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in it, and John Goodman got to hang out a
little bit with with Kevin Bacon. He was a really
nice guy. And honestly, you know, for the subject matter
being so dark, and yes it was. It was a
great experience that my my book turned into a movie.
But you know, I wish I had written Lord of
the Rings the Star Wars instead. You know, I didn't.
I didn't really plan my life to write a book
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about a terrorism act in my own city where a
little kid was killed.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You had to live that day after day after day
during the whole shooting of the movie, writing of the book,
and the shooting of the movie.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It was it was a lot, you know. And you know,
but when you're a reporter, like like I am getting
the weeds sometimes and you get close to these stories,
but certainly nothing like the actual survivors and the you know,
the victim's family felt, and you know, you always keep
that in mind that you know, I'm a conduit for
their story and got to be respectful of uh, of
their sensitivities, and and you know, that was a very
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big point of stress and concern throughout the whole process.
Was you know, we didn't want to be disrespectful, we
wanted to be sensitive. But it was an important story
that had to be told. We knew it was going
to be told. That's why Casey and I did it
because we were in a pretty unique position to be
able to tell it, and we wanted, you know, local
guys to be the ones to tell it so that
it wasn't just kind of bastardized by Hollywood, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So that's why we did it, and that was your
first and I'm proud of it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It was, yeah, it was. It was a little crazy.
I had a couple of chances to do books earlier
in my career about different cases that I had covered,
and none of them really kind of made me want to,
you know, put a year of my life into it.
But this one certainly was worth it, and I knew
that it was kind of my calling to do it.
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So I'm you know, super happy I did.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
It and proud of it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We'll get to the Hagley book after the next break,
but to take the next couple of minutes to talk
about the other books that you've written, because they're all
pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah. So after that one, Casey and I wrote a
book about Pete Frady's the kid from Beverly, the Boston
College baseball player who started the ice bucket Challenge, And
that was another whole fantastic journey that we took together
with the Frate's family that were great people, and I
happen to also be a Boston College alum, so I
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you know, had a connection there with the family. And
that book was really, you know, again difficult because some
of the subject matter. You know, Pete gets sick and
ultimately passed away in twenty seventeen. I believe it was.
But you know, we're hoping to turn that one into
a movie as well. We've been working on it for
ten years. The movie. We've had it at every studio
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in Hollywood. But we think we have a pretty good
partner lined up right now. We hope to have some
news on that one soon. So after that one, we did,
we did a book about the flake Gate and Tom Brady.
We did a book about Whitey Bulger after he got
killed in prison. So we kind of did the end
of the Whitey Bulger sag that story how he was
caught and how, you know, how he was killed in prison.
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So he told that story. And then we actually did
a book with James Patterson, the Great James Patterson, and
we did a book called The Last Days of John
Lennon that was in twenty twenty. That was the forty
year anniversary of John Lennon's assassination. And we kind of
went back and investigated it like journalists and you know,
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just treated it like a true crime case and dug
into the court files and interviewed everyone that was alive
all the witnesses, and that one was a really really
fun book to do. And you know, something that meant
a lot to me because you know, I remember I
was little, but I remember John Lennon being killed.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Do you remember did you interview May Pang?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
No? No, we weren't able. We tried. She was she
didn't want to talk to Yoko did not want to
talk either, But we did talk to Paul McCartney. That
was pretty cool. And I got to interview Todd Rungren,
which was pretty cool as well. And like I said,
a bunch, you know, several of the people involved in
the story no longer with us, sadly, but believe it
or not, a lot of the police officers, the judges,
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and lawyers, a lot of them were alive and we
were able to talk to many of them. So when
you read that book, you're reading first hand accounts of
most of that of people that were actually there.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
By the way, those all available on audiobooks.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
They are, yes, And that's a great question, Bradley. These
audiobooks are really a treat. A lot of people are
consuming stories this way. And my last book that I
did in twenty twenty two, called Writing with Evil is
about a biker gang and a Boston ATF agent that infiltrated.
He's the only police officer to ever infiltrate that gang
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to the rivals of the Hell's Angels. Really graphic true
crime story, but if you like bikers an organized crime,
it's a heck of a story. And the guy's alive
to you know, he's lived, lived to tell his story
literally with me, and that audiobook has done very well.
People really like that one well.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I love audiobooks, by the way.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You know, if you ever need an audiobook voice over, dude,
you know I'm here, or do you love it?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Do you do them yourself?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I haven't done any of mine yet. It's on my list,
hopefully one of these next ones, but the one for
the new book that we're going to talk about later,
My Marvin haglerbook is actually in production right now, so
hope to get that out soon. But I haven't narrated
any of them unfortunately yet.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And since we're.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Getting background on you, you're kind of part over at the Globe,
kind of as Emily Sweeney a friend of mine, and
she's also into true crime. And the reason I bring
this up is because I want to plug a thing
you got coming up. You're doing an event with Emily
Sweeney at the Globe over at City Winery. And the
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graphic that I saw was unclear really to me, what
you're doing with Emily at City Winery.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
What's going on over there?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Sure? So it's called Fight Night. And Emily's great, like
you said, it's a great, great reporter at the Globe,
and I was a reporter at The Herald and we
competed against each other many times on big breaking news stories.
But since then, you know, since I've been writing books
and she's done some books, we've become just friends and
colleagues and you know, a lot of mutual respect there.
And both of our most current books were on the
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same publisher, a publisher in Massachusetts called Hamilcar and that
publisher does a lot of They do boxing books, and
they do organized crime and music. And Emily's book about
drop Kick Murphy, the pro wrestler that inspired the band
of the same name and actually created detoxes, you know, rehabs.
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She wrote a biography about drop Kick Murphy. So we
got together and said, you know what, Harold Globe Boxing wrestling,
Fight Night, Let's have some fun we'll go out, so
Emily and I are going to take the stage at
City Winery on July thirtieth over there by the gardens
and tell some war stories about the Herald and the
Globe and stories we covered, and then talk about our books.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I see one interesting thing about at least I mean,
he is she's a hockey player.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And that's another thing we have in common. I'm a
hockey player too, and we keep saying we're gonna get
on the ice, and we're saying that we should do
a promo for this and do a fake hockey fight.
So maybe we'll do that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Cool, you know, we Actually it's interesting. We already have
a caller, Bob and Randolpho wants to chat with you,
and I'd love we'd love to have some callers if
you want to call it with any questions, uh, for
Dave Wedge about his books, his writing process, anything anything
to do with that or about Marvin Hagler, which.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Is the marvelous Marvin. Marvin legally legally changed his name
to Marvelous. And that's a fun story I can tell
you later.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Good, yeah, you can.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That'll all be part of the next forty minutes here.
Six month seven thirty is our number. Or in the
moment with Dave Wedge on WBZ It's Night.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Side with Dan Ray on WBZZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Readley for Dan Tonight, guess Dave Wedge're gonna talk about uh,
Marvin Hagler. But first, one of my most important embarrassing
stories ever has to do with a famous boxer, And
if I don't tell it now, I don't want to
interrupt you once you get rolling. So I'm gonna tell
this really embarrassing moment that had to do with Evander Holyfield,
one of my most embarrassing moments. Then we'll take a
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call from Bob and then we'll you start rolling about
your book on Marvin. So here's the deal. I went
to Woodstock ninety nine and did lots of interviews, and
the producer of that was the same as the producer
for the Grammy dot Com coverage of the Grammys. So
I called her up and said, do you need an interviewer?
(12:40):
She goes, yeah, Doiona Tucks? I said yes, she said,
all right, you got the gig. So I went there
and my job was to interview people. I interviewed a
lot of people on the Red carpet, and I had
to chase people down with my couple of microphones interview them.
And one of the people was Evander Holyfield. Somebody said
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Holyfields is up on the second floor, and they told
me run, run, run, catch him before he gets away
and get a quick interview. So I run to the
elevator with my my, my microphone and everything little backpack.
Then I get in the elevator. Billy Joel's in the elevator.
I go up to the second floor. I see Evander
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Holyfield down there, walking up some stairs. I run, run, run,
I approach him, out of breath, trying to get him
to wait, and I call out. I didn't call I
did not call out Evander. I said, ah, what did
I say, Alexander? I said Alexander, So I call. I
called Evander Holyfield the wrong name. And not only that,
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but everyone, like my bosses and everything heard that because
my microphone.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Was on, and so it was. It was a bad
day for me.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That's a that's a bad day.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So either way, Evander Holyfield could have been a little
cool about it, but he wasn't. He was all super grumpy,
like you wouldn't let me, you know. I wouldn't let
it slide. I knew who he, I knew his name,
but I was running and it just, you know, the
wrong name popped out.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You misspoke, misspoken.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
He could have been a lot cooler.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
B Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Now Bob and Randolph, let's see what's up with Bob
and see what he wants to ask you.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Dave, what's Bob? Hello? You're on BZ.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
David, Bob Caparilla. I just want to say, and Bradley,
great to have you on again.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Boy.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I'll tell you thank you.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
He kept me company many in morning going into the market.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I'll tell you no thanks, So do you, David?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know your dad would be so proud of you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
He really would.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Thank you, Bobby. That means a lot. That means a
lot coming from you, I miss.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I love.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Everyone's doing great and it's so great to see you
and to hear you know what you're doing.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Wonderful.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Of course your books are all in my case at
the restaurant.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
So how do you know each other?
Speaker 7 (15:06):
There?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
What restaurant?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So Bobby runs La Scala over Randolph the best Italian
restaurant in So Shore? Okay, bar none and Bobby, I'll
come by with a sign book with a new one
for you.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Absolutely, I'm looking forward to it. Bradley, keep up the
good work.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Thanks brother, beautiful. All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The book, the Marvin Hagler Book. The name of it
says a lot about an angle on the book that
is really unfortunate, very very important. So I'm going to
give you all kinds of rope now to talk about
the book. One, two, three go.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm on the spot. Thank you, Bradley. No. So, you know,
as I said earlier, growing up in Brockton. You know,
I grew up in the seventies and eighties, and you know,
Marvin Hagler was there at that time. He's a superstar.
So I always knew about Marvin Hagler. And you know,
we see Rocky Marciano was from Brockton as well. So
great fighting cities. So that's kind of something that was
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always on my radar when I became a reporter later
in my career, after I started writing books, I always
wanted to do a book about Marvin. I wanted to
do it with Marvin when he was alive, but he
wasn't interested and it just never really worked out, and
then when he passed away in twenty twenty one, I
just finished my last book, the one I mentioned earlier
writing with Evil about the bikers, and I was looking
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for my next book, and I decided now's the time
to do it. And I came across a great angle
thanks to a good, good friend of mine, a Broughton
police officer named Mike Cecerini, said, you know what, you
should really take a look at the relationship between Marvin
and the Petronelli brothers. And the Petronelli brothers were Goody
and pat they were Marvin's trainers. And when I started
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looking at that relationship, not only was that a really beautiful,
fantastic relationship that's kind of the centerpiece of this story
that I tell, it also got me looking at Marvin's
origin story, which had never really been told before. You know,
I had known growing up that Marvin was born in Newark,
but I didn't really know that he didn't move to
Broughton until he was fifteen years old. So he had
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a whole history in Newark. And I unraveled that in
the book, and you learn a lot about how his
family survived the horrible riots in the late sixties in Newark,
some of the deadliest riots the countries have ever seen. They
were literally prisoners in their own home, bullets pinging off
the walls. And Marvin's mom finally got him and his
five brothers and sisters out of there and moved into Brockton,
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where he met the Petronelli brothers built this great friendship.
He was very distrustful of authority, but they slowly built
a friendship and they called themselves the Triangle, you know,
three legs, and together they went on this incredible journey
taking on corruption in boxing. And then they go on
to fight for the title, which is kind of the
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real de numont of the book is the Alan Minter
title fight in nineteen eighty, which had all sorts of
controversies surround the end. So I focus on that part
of Marvin's life. It's not his whole entire life. It's
not Sugar Ray Leonard and Robert Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns.
It's really that period escaping the you know, getting out
of Newark, moving to Broughton and then winning the title.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
More about what his life was like in Newark, Well.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He was you know, he was a young kid, no father,
and he had a bunch of younger brothers and sisters,
and his mother unfortunately was not able to hold together
many relationships. There was men in and out of the house,
and but no father figure in the family. So Marvin
kind of became that to his younger brothers and sisters.
He dropped out of school when he was just fourteen
years old and started working to help support the family.
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And you know, he was a loner. He was obviously
he was living in a very violent city at the
time and a very racially a lot of racial tension
in Newark at the time. You know, there was riots
in nineteen sixty seven, they called the Long Hot Summer
sixty seven, the twenty six people killed in three days
in Newark. Wow. You know, those riots were really really deadly,
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and they were literally trapped in the house. There was
martial law. They sat on the floor of the house
for three nights on couch cushions and slid up and
down the hall so they didn't stand up near the windows,
and that's how they would go to the bathroom, go
to the kitchen, and they slept together on the floor
because it was you know, there was so many bullets
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literally flying around the neighborhood. And at one point I
opened the book with a scene where one of their
uncles is over and he stands up and a bullet
comes flying through the through the window and almost kills
the guy.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know, so that's what they were, that's what they
were living in there.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, you know, we feel that times are really
terrible now, and yeah they are, but I can't remember
a time when they weren't really terrible. And certainly they
were worse than sixty eight than they are now, right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Well, sixty seven that someone was as bad as it got.
I mean, there were riots and you know, thirty forty
American cities, including here in Boston.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I said, Hampton Beach, What is that the same period
of time when there were riots at Hampton Beach in
New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I'm not sure about I'm not sure about that, but
I know it was like Watts and you know, Chicago
and Newark were the really really bad ones. But you know,
remember Bradley obviously no no internet, no phones, no cameras anywhere,
so this stuff went on. You know, people got killed
in the streets like dogs, and it was you know,
sometimes it was you know, citizens killing citizens. It was
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police killing citizens, and it was citizens killing police. It
was a war zone.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
It was really bad.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Break the news, Dave, and hear more about your Marvin Hagler.
By the way, the name of it is Blood and Hate.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Correct, that's right, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
More than a moment with Dave Wedge on BZ. It's
Night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio. It is
night Side with Dan.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Ray Bradley j for Dan Tonight with Dave Wedge, and
we talked about his book writing career so far and
now we're focusing down on his Marvin Hagler book, Blood
and Hate. So what a struggle of a life Marvin
Hagler had you before the break got in to his
early years back in sixty seven he was in Newark
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and he had to live through the riots, which the
picture you're painting is it's real hell, like a genuine hell,
something lucky to make it out of, and it does
seem like a life of struggle. Being a fighter is
a struggle, dealing with the fight system, the fight, hierarchy,
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struggle and in the ring of course a struggle. So
pick it up from Jersey or actually pick it up
after the riots? What's next?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So, you know, like I said, Marlin's fifteen years old,
and he's you know, he's worried about his future in
his life and his family and all that. So the
mother finally she had some family in Brockton, so they
moved up and Marvin. She put Marvin and two of
his siblings on a bus and they took the bus
up and they got off in Brockton. They went to
the aunt's house and then she drove up in a
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U haul with whatever belongings they had, and they stayed
with the ants for a little while, and they eventually
got their own place and Marvin went to work. And
what happened was, you know, there in Brockton was something
that changed the trajectory of Marvin's life for the better.
He went to a party one night as a teenager,
as they do, and he went into the projects over
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there on the east side of Brockton, and he ran
across the wrong guy, talked to the wrong girl, and
the guy his name was down L. Wigfall, and he
was a Brockton High football player. At the time, Brockton
High had one of the best football programs in the state.
Something that happened for you know, many many years and
eventually they were one of the best in the country.
But Jornel Wigfall was actually being scouted by the Patriots
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and he ended up he was also a boxer, so
him and Marvin get into a fight and Marvin gets
beeed up pretty bad. He actually had to go to
the hospital. He had a broken tooth and a bruised jar.
And after that fight was when Marvin said, you know what,
that's never going to happen to me again. And that's
when he made his way into the Petronelli Brothers gym,
which was right across the street from where he was living,
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and that's how his fight career started. And he just
didn't want to get bullied anymore. And the great part
of the story that I didn't know when I started
writing this book, and I tell this whole story in
the book. Marvin later got his revenge on going out Wigfall,
not on the streets, but twice in the ring as
a pro they both were. Joanel became a pro boxer.
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Marvin fought him twice early in his career and he
won both fights.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So it's quite a story there that I wasn't aware
of when I started this book.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We have Wayne and Brockton who wants to talk to you,
So let's do that. Wayne, You're on WBZ with Dave Wedge.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Hi evening, guys. I don't know if you mentioned this
at all, David Short's in your book, but anyone who
is a true Marvin fan, many people, most people, they
don't know that he made two movies in the late eighties,
Indio one and two. And you could probably snatch a
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copy on eBay, but it's it's a B or a
C grade at best. But it's just so cool and
someone that you know, you see them in a movie.
It's kind of like a Rambo where he's in the
rainforest or something and he's helping you know, indigenous people
do whatever.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
But and his.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Acting skills were you know, nominal at best. But again,
it was just so cool to see Marvin in a movie.
And again those are called Indio one and then Indio two.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, exactly. That that's great, Wayne, Thanks for bringing that up,
you know, and that is true. You know, when you're
growing up in Broughton and being a little kid, and
I kept hearing the name Marvin Hagham Roger and then
he see him on TV. You know, he's on Dave Letterman,
and he was on commercials. He's on right Guard commercials
and Old Spice commercials. No right Guard, Yeah, it was
right Guard. And then you know, he lived in our city.
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He lived in our community. And that's another reason I
wrote this book, Bradley, was because you know, I don't
want I don't feel like Marvin ever fully got his
due as the sports icon and really the civil rights
hero that he really was. He was quiet about it.
He didn't talk about politics, he didn't talk about news
and all that stuff, but he did it. But by
his actions, you know, he's just a man, a man
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of you know, not a few words. But he wasn't
a big mouth. It wasn't a showboat. But he carried
himself with a lot of dignity. And I feel like
I want the younger generation to understand why Broughton has
called the city of Champions, and why that statue which
we put up in twenty twenty four finally honoring Marvin Hagler.
I want the kids to know why. And it's because
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of this story that I tell him this book. It's
it's not because he won some fights and and made
some money. It's because he was dealt a really poor
hand in life, and he turned that into a full house.
And he did it through hard work and loyalty to
the people that were important to him.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Can you talk a little more about Goodie and Pat
Petronelli and maybe what they saw in Hagler right away?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Absolutely, and that's again a huge part of the book.
You know, Goodie and Pat were Goodie especially was great
friends with Rocky Marciano, and Rocky Marciano for anyone that
doesn't know, you know, forty nine dollars the only undefeated
heavyweight in history. He was retired in nineteen sixty three.
And in nineteen sixty nine, the Petronelli brothers were planning
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to open a gym in Broughton with him. He was
going to be their partner in a gym in downtown Broughton,
and then he died in a plane crash in August
of nineteen sixty nine. So Goody and Pat were both
you know, formed World War Two veterans, and you know,
they ran a labor you know, they ran like a
construction business, and the gym was something they were just
starting to get off off the ground. They had some
young fighters and one of them being Pat's son Tony,
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who was a good pro fighter, and they didn't know
what they were going to do. They said, Rocky's dead.
That was our you know, there was a meal ticket
to build the gym into you know, some name recognition.
No one knew who Goody and Pat Petronelli were, but
everyone knew who Rocky Maciano was, and lo and behold,
little did they know that their future walked into the gym.
That same summer nineteen sixty nine, Marvin Hagla's family moved
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to Broughton and he found his way into that gym.
And it took several years before Marvin became that household
name that they needed to make their gym successful, but
it eventually happened. So there's all these little moments of
karma and serendipity in the book that I didn't know
about even growing up at Brockton, And it was a
joy to research them, and it was it was really
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a labor love to put it together into this this
book that I think is really my best work.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
So what it had have that made them realize we're
gonna make him a star was he.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think hamment a commitment. He had commitment, first of all,
you know that Goody told the story early, you know,
early in Marvin's career that lots of kids come in there,
they fight for a week or two and you know,
they want to get even with a bully or something,
or they just wanted to work out, and they never
come back again. And they fight for three or four
months or even a year or two, and then they
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never come back. You know, they get a job, they
go to school, whatever. But Marvin just kept coming back,
and not only did he come back, he came back
better each time. And Goody said it was very unusual
the way he would come back and remember all the
things that they taught him. So what Marvin did was said,
go to the gym and work out with them, and
then go home at night and practice all the moves
and all the techniques that they taught him. He was
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really really a dedicated guy to to building his his uh,
you know, his arsenal to become a He wanted to
become great right right from the beginning. And great moment
in the book. One of the first things that Goody
and Marvin talk about, when Goody says to him, he says,
you know what's up, kid, So you want to fight
and Marmon says, yeah, I'm going to be the middleweight
champion of the world, and Goody laughed and he said yeah,
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and I'm going to be a trainer. And that's how
their friendship started. And from that moment forward they really
were committed towards that mission. And that's what this book
is all about, is that journey they take together.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
How long has this book been out? It's out now.
You can get it now, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It just came out about two weeks ago. Yeah, okay,
it's available everywhere all bookstores, Amazon, wherever you want to go.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
And the full title is Blood and Hate.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Blood and Hate, The Untold Story of Marvelous Marvin Hagler's
Battle for Glory.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Now we really haven't addressed the hate part, and then
the final segment we will. And this is a kind
of a it's a defining thing. There was an incident
with an English fighter that's just horrific and yeah, we'll
get into that and it's just super sad the way
they I don't want to ruin it. After the break,
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we'll get into the final part here with Dave Wedge
talking about Marvin Hagler. Marvelous Marvin Hagler on w b Z.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Raley j for Dan Ray tonight and tomorrow night, and
we have a wonderful guest Dave Wedge, Harold writer and
a book writer, and we're talking about his book. It's
about Marvin Hagler called Blood and Hate, and we will
get into the hate part, which is really unfortunate. It's
another it's part of Marvin Hagler's struggle. We do have
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Jim and Ashland who wants to get involved here, So
let's go to Jim. Hi, Jim, You're on WBZ with
Dave Wedge. What's up?
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
I had a couple of stories, but I'll get to
the one. I don't know if I'm jumping ahead or not,
but I was in North Conway, New Hampshire, and I
went into a little hub and he came in and
there was only two or three of us there. It
was in the afternoon, and and I talked to him
for a while. What a nice guy, you know, he
was really good and he and he just got a
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red wine with ice in it, and he played pool
by himself, and I wanted to go up and ask
him if he wanted to play a game. But I
didn't want to bother rom either, So but I would
have loved to say I beat out Mob and Haglin.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Jim. Was it was? It was it the Shannon door.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
No, you know that's I know the name if I
heard it, But but I but I don't know. But
they actually knew what he was drinking when he walked in,
and they had a picture of signed. I hadn't noticed.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Player I didn't know. Might have might have been maybe
the Red Parker, because he had a house in Bartlett,
the Red Parker.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It was the Red.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Actually where he ended up. That that's where he passed away,
was up at his house in Bartlet. He that's where
he retired to the Yeah there in Italy. That's where
he split his time between that house and in Italy
in his later years.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So let me ask you, do you regret not going
up to him and saying hello?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
No, I did. I said hello to him, talk to him,
and we actually knew some A friend of mine's uncle
was a box and I regret not going up to
him and ask him to play pools.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I could say I beat.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Him I don't know. I'm not a good pool player,
but I would have loved to have said it.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You could always you could just lie.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Did you say there was a part to part two
to the story.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Well, I remember the the the Hearns hag Will fight,
and he was unbelievable. It was he knocked him senseless.
And the next morning I get up, but I'm watching
one of those morning shows. I don't know what's Good
Morning America or whatever, and they had they hit me
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and Hearns some of his herds on there, and he
had big sunglass songs obviously. Yeah, he just and he
and they asked him about it, and he goes like,
he goes, well, you know I have a knock o punch.
I know I have a knock go punch. But he goes,
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Marvin didn't know I had a knock out punch.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It was a great, great fight. They call it the
greatest three rounds in blocks in history. And a quick
story about Tommy Hearns when when Marvin died in twenty
twenty one, it was at the end of COVID, and
I helped. The mayor of Brockton is a great friend
of mine, a classmate Bob Sullivan, and we decided together,
we said, we have to organize a memorial for Marvin Hagler,
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to let the city pay their pay their respects to him.
So we organized this big, huge thing at at Marciano Stadium,
and Stephen A. Smith came, and Al Bernstein and Bernard
Hopkins and all these great you know, boxing personalities and
champions came. And we tried to get in touch with
Tommy Hearns and invite him, and we never heard back.
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And then we're in the middle of the event that day.
It was a scorching hot day in twenty twenty one,
and all of a sudden, a couple of guys come
in and behind them is Tommy Hearns. He just showed
up unannounced. Wow, and he was he was you know,
he came in and he came over and you know,
talked to the mayor, talked to the family. Marvin's mother
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was there and his siblings, and it was just such
an incredible moment to see him walk in and he's
he's not in the best shape. He's he struggles a
little bit with his health these days. But he got
up there and he spoke and said a few words
and I think it might be out there on YouTube,
you can find it. But that's the power that Marvin had,
you know. He he fought that legendary fight with Tommy
Hearns and he one far and squib beat the tar
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out of him, you know, three rounds. And but Tommy
Hearns had tremendous respect for Marvin Hagler. And I think
that fight made Tommy Hearns a lot of money too,
So I think that played a part in it.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Now, now let's finish up with the Alan Minter fight.
This is a sad, sad thing. You got about.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Three minutes to do.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That, all right, you're putting me on the clock. No, Look,
Alan Minter was a great champion himself. He was from Britain,
but he had a dark side. He grew up in
an area of England that was home to a white
power group called the National Front, and they were racist,
they were anti immigrant and at the time in nineteen
eighty when he was the champion, there was a lot
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of a lot of racial tension going on in London
and these this group, the National Front, was you know,
posting flyers all over the city, you know, immigrants get
out and that sort of you know, really loaded racist language.
And Marvin had to go to London and fight him there,
and Alan was a white guy who's the great white hope,
and Marvin's coming in, you know, the angry black guy,
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and that was kind of the narrative for the fight,
and Alan Minter unfortunately reinforced that stereotype with a horrible
comment that he made in a pre fight press conference
where he said, no black man will ever take my title.
And imagine saying that today. You know, you talk about viral.
There was no viral back then, but it certainly was
a headline across the globe and that was the that
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was the setting for the fight that night. And believe me,
Alan Minter paid for that comment. I don't want to
rule the whole story, but you know, suffice to say,
Marvin wins. And as you said, Bradley, the tragic part
of the story is at the end of the fight,
all those drunken National Front fans and the drunken hooligans
and the racists that were there, they pelted Marvin haggle
with bottles after he won, and he never got his
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belt that night. He got he literally his goody and
Pat Petronelli, who had, you know, trained him his whole
life and got him to that moment. They then were
forced to literally protect him and shield him. They there's
a famous picture that's in the book of them covering
Marvin as bottles crashed off of their backs, and they
escaped the arena together, all of them. And Marvin had
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to receive his title, his belt back home in Brockton
had to be mailed home. But believe me, they had
one heck of a parade for him when he when
he got his title, when he got his belt.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Man, this sounds like a great book. I can't wait
to read it. And it's available any everywhere. Right do
you prefer? Peter wool Is preferred that people buy it
in small bookstores?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Do you care?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I do as well. I love to drive people to
the bookstores. There's a great new bookstore in Brockton, actually,
if anyone's down in that area, called Doctor Elie's. It's
right on Main Street in Broughton. Support local, I absolutely,
I'm with Peter.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
So now, folks, you have two books you got to buy.
You better get on it.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You have Bud and Hate from Dave Wess, and of
course you have Waiting on the Moon by Peter Woolf,
which is also super great.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Dave Wiche you going to get Peter's book too.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You were a super guest and I'm really glad that
you reached out and reconnected. It's fantastic. Thank you so much.
And I think we are to hang out. Maybe maybe
you Emily Sweeney from The Globe and I should do
a quick hang sometime.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Would love to have you come to the show. It'd
be fun.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Oh yeah, when is that show you're doing with Emily again?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
It's yeah, well yeah, July thirtieth. It's City Winery. Tickets
available now on the going fast. But we really we
think it's going to be a special night of storytelling
and some good old Herald versus Globe war stories. Should
be fun, beautiful. Thanks for the time, brother, Thanks Thanks Bradley,
have a good night.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So after the news, I'm going to open it up
a couple of topics, but this will be.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
A time to just chat and reconnect.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
If you haven't you wanted to be involved with an
actual topic, this next hour would be a good time
for you to check in on WBZ
He's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY, Boston's new
radio reading's my Friends. It is night Side with Dan Ray,
Bradley Jay and for Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Tonight and tomorrow, we're now going to find out about
boxing hero local boxing hero Marvin Hagler. But we're also
going to find out about the author of the new
book about Marvin.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Dave Wedge.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Interesting cat with a lot of writing experience and he's
kind of hit the jackpot with one of his books.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So hey there, Dave, how are.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You, Bradley? How are you good? To be back on
with you?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, it's wonderful to have you. Why did you I
think your story.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Is so interesting. I'm going to just give you cot
Blonche here to tell your story. I'm sure you've told
it enough so you'll do a good job kind of concise,
but you know, you can get down into the weeds
detail wise.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
No, I appreciate that. You know. I grew up in Brockton,
and you know, I went to Boston College and then
became a reporter. So I was at the Boston Herald
for fourteen years and you know, covered everything. You know,
I went to nine to eleven and lots of you know,
murder Mayhem. As a crime reporter, did some politics, a
lot of music stuff. Over the years, I did a
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little bit of everything, and The Herald was fun like that.
We we got a lot of variety. But in twenty thirteen,
when the bombs were off at Boylston Street, I was,
you know, launched in action with the other Herald reporters
and I kind of led our coverage through that, and
that ended up leading me to my first book, which
was called Boston Strong, that I wrote with my great
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friend Casey Sherman, who had just finished a book called
The Finest Hours that became a big Disney movie. So
Casey was a producer at Channel four in Boston and
we teamed up and wrote that book. And that book
actually ended up becoming Patriots Day. So that was a
movie with Mark Wahlberg and Kevin Bacon on Goodman.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Let me get you wrote a book that actually became
that movie. That was your book.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That was my book.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, sir, this question earlier, and I'll ask you to again,
and you can give any answer you want. But the
real question is everyone's asking us, Wow, I wonder how
much he made. Now you don't have to give me
a number. But is it like I don't have to
work ever again money or you know, I can afford
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a couple of nice dinners money or you know, we're
no skill. The money you get paid for having a
book that becomes a big movie like.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
That, I mean, you know, it's it's a it's a
you know, it's a it's a fair compensation. It's my
first one, though, so I'm still working. I've since written
seven other books and I and I you know, I
do some consulting work. I do a lot of different things.
So it's not retirement money, but it's it's certainly uh,
you know, it's worth the time, that's for sure, you know.
And it was certainly a project that I was honored
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to be a part of. And you know, working with
guys like Mark Wahlberg and Peter Berg are great, you know,
but I'm you know, I'm not uh not Mark Wahlberg,
you know. And and even him all the money he has,
he's still working every day, So what's like, he's great.
I mean I had met him a few times before.
We have a lot of mutual friends, and you know,
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he's just a hard working kid from Dorchester, you know,
and uh, he's you know, he's been in some fantastic
movies and I think he was great in this And
on set he was awesome. You know, he's just just
you know, all business. But you had a few few
moments to chat with him a little bit and we
caught up a little bit about some mutual friends of
ours from Brockton, where I grew up and in South Boston.
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So you know, he's he was wonderful to work with.
And who with him again one day. Well, the director,
Peter Berg is great director. He was in He's an
actor too, He's been in a bunch of stuff and
you know, he did Friday Night Lights and uh loans
of and Sniper. He's a heck of a director. So
he was awesome to work with. And Kevin Bacon was
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in it, and John Goodman got to hang out a
little bit with with Kevin Bacon. He was a really
nice guy. And honestly, you know, for the subject matter
being so dark, and yes it was. It was a
great experience that my my book turned into a movie.
But you know, I wish I had written Lord of
the Rings the Star Wars instead. You know, I didn't.
I didn't really plan my life to write a book
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about a terrorism act in my own city where a
little kid was killed.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You had to live that day after day after day
during the whole shooting of the movie, writing of the book,
and the shooting of the movie.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It was it was a lot, you know. And you know,
but when you're a reporter, like like I am getting
the weeds sometimes and you get close to these stories,
but certainly nothing like the actual survivors and the you know,
the victim's family felt, and you know, you always keep
that in mind that you know, I'm a conduit for
their story and got to be respectful of uh, of
their sensitivities, and and you know, that was a very
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big point of stress and concern throughout the whole process.
Was you know, we didn't want to be disrespectful, we
wanted to be sensitive. But it was an important story
that had to be told. We knew it was going
to be told. That's why Casey and I did it
because we were in a pretty unique position to be
able to tell it, and we wanted, you know, local
guys to be the ones to tell it so that
it wasn't just kind of bastardized by Hollywood, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So that's why we did it, and that was your
first and I'm proud of it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It was, yeah, it was. It was a little crazy.
I had a couple of chances to do books earlier
in my career about different cases that I had covered,
and none of them really kind of made me want to,
you know, put a year of my life into it.
But this one certainly was worth it, and I knew
that it was kind of my calling to do it.
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So I'm you know, super happy I did.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
It and proud of it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We'll get to the Hagley book after the next break,
but to take the next couple of minutes to talk
about the other books that you've written, because they're all
pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah. So after that one, Casey and I wrote a
book about Pete Frady's the kid from Beverly, the Boston
College baseball player who started the ice bucket Challenge, And
that was another whole fantastic journey that we took together
with the Frate's family that were great people, and I
happen to also be a Boston College alum, so I
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you know, had a connection there with the family. And
that book was really, you know, again difficult because some
of the subject matter. You know, Pete gets sick and
ultimately passed away in twenty seventeen. I believe it was.
But you know, we're hoping to turn that one into
a movie as well. We've been working on it for
ten years. The movie. We've had it at every studio
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in Hollywood. But we think we have a pretty good
partner lined up right now. We hope to have some
news on that one soon. So after that one, we did,
we did a book about the flake Gate and Tom Brady.
We did a book about Whitey Bulger after he got
killed in prison. So we kind of did the end
of the Whitey Bulger sag that story how he was
caught and how, you know, how he was killed in prison.
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So he told that story. And then we actually did
a book with James Patterson, the Great James Patterson, and
we did a book called The Last Days of John
Lennon that was in twenty twenty. That was the forty
year anniversary of John Lennon's assassination. And we kind of
went back and investigated it like journalists and you know,
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just treated it like a true crime case and dug
into the court files and interviewed everyone that was alive
all the witnesses, and that one was a really really
fun book to do. And you know, something that meant
a lot to me because you know, I remember I
was little, but I remember John Lennon being killed.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Do you remember did you interview May Pang?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
No? No, we weren't able. We tried. She was she
didn't want to talk to Yoko did not want to
talk either, But we did talk to Paul McCartney. That
was pretty cool. And I got to interview Todd Rungren,
which was pretty cool as well. And like I said,
a bunch, you know, several of the people involved in
the story no longer with us, sadly, but believe it
or not, a lot of the police officers, the judges,
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and lawyers, a lot of them were alive and we
were able to talk to many of them. So when
you read that book, you're reading first hand accounts of
most of that of people that were actually there.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
By the way, those all available on audiobooks.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
They are, yes, And that's a great question, Bradley. These
audiobooks are really a treat. A lot of people are
consuming stories this way. And my last book that I
did in twenty twenty two, called Writing with Evil is
about a biker gang and a Boston ATF agent that infiltrated.
He's the only police officer to ever infiltrate that gang
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to the rivals of the Hell's Angels. Really graphic true
crime story, but if you like bikers an organized crime,
it's a heck of a story. And the guy's alive
to you know, he's lived, lived to tell his story
literally with me, and that audiobook has done very well.
People really like that one well.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I love audiobooks, by the way.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You know, if you ever need an audiobook voice over, dude,
you know I'm here, or do you love it?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Do you do them yourself?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I haven't done any of mine yet. It's on my list,
hopefully one of these next ones, but the one for
the new book that we're going to talk about later,
My Marvin haglerbook is actually in production right now, so
hope to get that out soon. But I haven't narrated
any of them unfortunately yet.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And since we're.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Getting background on you, you're kind of part over at the Globe,
kind of as Emily Sweeney a friend of mine, and
she's also into true crime. And the reason I bring
this up is because I want to plug a thing
you got coming up. You're doing an event with Emily
Sweeney at the Globe over at City Winery. And the
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graphic that I saw was unclear really to me, what
you're doing with Emily at City Winery.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
What's going on over there?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Sure? So it's called Fight Night. And Emily's great, like
you said, it's a great, great reporter at the Globe,
and I was a reporter at The Herald and we
competed against each other many times on big breaking news stories.
But since then, you know, since I've been writing books
and she's done some books, we've become just friends and
colleagues and you know, a lot of mutual respect there.
And both of our most current books were on the
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same publisher, a publisher in Massachusetts called Hamilcar and that
publisher does a lot of They do boxing books, and
they do organized crime and music. And Emily's book about
drop Kick Murphy, the pro wrestler that inspired the band
of the same name and actually created detoxes, you know, rehabs.
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She wrote a biography about drop Kick Murphy. So we
got together and said, you know what, Harold Globe Boxing wrestling,
Fight Night, Let's have some fun we'll go out, so
Emily and I are going to take the stage at
City Winery on July thirtieth over there by the gardens
and tell some war stories about the Herald and the
Globe and stories we covered, and then talk about our books.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I see one interesting thing about at least I mean,
he is she's a hockey player.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And that's another thing we have in common. I'm a
hockey player too, and we keep saying we're gonna get
on the ice, and we're saying that we should do
a promo for this and do a fake hockey fight.
So maybe we'll do that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Cool, you know, we Actually it's interesting. We already have
a caller, Bob and Randolpho wants to chat with you,
and I'd love we'd love to have some callers if
you want to call it with any questions, uh, for
Dave Wedge about his books, his writing process, anything anything
to do with that or about Marvin Hagler, which.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Is the marvelous Marvin. Marvin legally legally changed his name
to Marvelous. And that's a fun story I can tell
you later.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Good, yeah, you can.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That'll all be part of the next forty minutes here.
Six month seven thirty is our number. Or in the
moment with Dave Wedge on WBZ It's Night.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Side with Dan Ray on WBZZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Readley for Dan Tonight, guess Dave Wedge're gonna talk about uh,
Marvin Hagler. But first, one of my most important embarrassing
stories ever has to do with a famous boxer, And
if I don't tell it now, I don't want to
interrupt you once you get rolling. So I'm gonna tell
this really embarrassing moment that had to do with Evander Holyfield,
one of my most embarrassing moments. Then we'll take a
(12:18):
call from Bob and then we'll you start rolling about
your book on Marvin. So here's the deal. I went
to Woodstock ninety nine and did lots of interviews, and
the producer of that was the same as the producer
for the Grammy dot Com coverage of the Grammys. So
I called her up and said, do you need an interviewer?
(12:40):
She goes, yeah, Doiona Tucks? I said yes, she said,
all right, you got the gig. So I went there
and my job was to interview people. I interviewed a
lot of people on the Red carpet, and I had
to chase people down with my couple of microphones interview them.
And one of the people was Evander Holyfield. Somebody said
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Holyfields is up on the second floor, and they told
me run, run, run, catch him before he gets away
and get a quick interview. So I run to the
elevator with my my, my microphone and everything little backpack.
Then I get in the elevator. Billy Joel's in the elevator.
I go up to the second floor. I see Evander
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Holyfield down there, walking up some stairs. I run, run, run,
I approach him, out of breath, trying to get him
to wait, and I call out. I didn't call I
did not call out Evander. I said, ah, what did
I say, Alexander? I said Alexander, So I call. I
called Evander Holyfield the wrong name. And not only that,
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but everyone, like my bosses and everything heard that because
my microphone.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Was on, and so it was. It was a bad
day for me.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That's a that's a bad day.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So either way, Evander Holyfield could have been a little
cool about it, but he wasn't. He was all super grumpy,
like you wouldn't let me, you know. I wouldn't let
it slide. I knew who he, I knew his name,
but I was running and it just, you know, the
wrong name popped out.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You misspoke, misspoken.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
He could have been a lot cooler.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
B Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Now Bob and Randolph, let's see what's up with Bob
and see what he wants to ask you.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Dave, what's Bob? Hello? You're on BZ.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
David, Bob Caparilla. I just want to say, and Bradley,
great to have you on again.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Boy.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I'll tell you thank you.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
He kept me company many in morning going into the market.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I'll tell you no thanks, So do you, David?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know your dad would be so proud of you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
He really would.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Thank you, Bobby. That means a lot. That means a
lot coming from you, I miss.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I love.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Everyone's doing great and it's so great to see you
and to hear you know what you're doing.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Wonderful.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Of course your books are all in my case at
the restaurant.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
So how do you know each other?
Speaker 7 (15:06):
There?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
What restaurant?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So Bobby runs La Scala over Randolph the best Italian
restaurant in So Shore? Okay, bar none and Bobby, I'll
come by with a sign book with a new one
for you.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Absolutely, I'm looking forward to it. Bradley, keep up the
good work.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Thanks brother, beautiful. All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The book, the Marvin Hagler Book. The name of it
says a lot about an angle on the book that
is really unfortunate, very very important. So I'm going to
give you all kinds of rope now to talk about
the book. One, two, three go.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm on the spot. Thank you, Bradley. No. So, you know,
as I said earlier, growing up in Brockton. You know,
I grew up in the seventies and eighties, and you know,
Marvin Hagler was there at that time. He's a superstar.
So I always knew about Marvin Hagler. And you know,
we see Rocky Marciano was from Brockton as well. So
great fighting cities. So that's kind of something that was
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always on my radar when I became a reporter later
in my career, after I started writing books, I always
wanted to do a book about Marvin. I wanted to
do it with Marvin when he was alive, but he
wasn't interested and it just never really worked out, and
then when he passed away in twenty twenty one, I
just finished my last book, the one I mentioned earlier
writing with Evil about the bikers, and I was looking
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for my next book, and I decided now's the time
to do it. And I came across a great angle
thanks to a good, good friend of mine, a Broughton
police officer named Mike Cecerini, said, you know what, you
should really take a look at the relationship between Marvin
and the Petronelli brothers. And the Petronelli brothers were Goody
and pat they were Marvin's trainers. And when I started
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looking at that relationship, not only was that a really beautiful,
fantastic relationship that's kind of the centerpiece of this story
that I tell, it also got me looking at Marvin's
origin story, which had never really been told before. You know,
I had known growing up that Marvin was born in Newark,
but I didn't really know that he didn't move to
Broughton until he was fifteen years old. So he had
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a whole history in Newark. And I unraveled that in
the book, and you learn a lot about how his
family survived the horrible riots in the late sixties in Newark,
some of the deadliest riots the countries have ever seen. They
were literally prisoners in their own home, bullets pinging off
the walls. And Marvin's mom finally got him and his
five brothers and sisters out of there and moved into Brockton,
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where he met the Petronelli brothers built this great friendship.
He was very distrustful of authority, but they slowly built
a friendship and they called themselves the Triangle, you know,
three legs, and together they went on this incredible journey
taking on corruption in boxing. And then they go on
to fight for the title, which is kind of the
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real de numont of the book is the Alan Minter
title fight in nineteen eighty, which had all sorts of
controversies surround the end. So I focus on that part
of Marvin's life. It's not his whole entire life. It's
not Sugar Ray Leonard and Robert Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns.
It's really that period escaping the you know, getting out
of Newark, moving to Broughton and then winning the title.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
More about what his life was like in Newark, Well.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He was you know, he was a young kid, no father,
and he had a bunch of younger brothers and sisters,
and his mother unfortunately was not able to hold together
many relationships. There was men in and out of the house,
and but no father figure in the family. So Marvin
kind of became that to his younger brothers and sisters.
He dropped out of school when he was just fourteen
years old and started working to help support the family.
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And you know, he was a loner. He was obviously
he was living in a very violent city at the
time and a very racially a lot of racial tension
in Newark at the time. You know, there was riots
in nineteen sixty seven, they called the Long Hot Summer
sixty seven, the twenty six people killed in three days
in Newark. Wow. You know, those riots were really really deadly,
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and they were literally trapped in the house. There was
martial law. They sat on the floor of the house
for three nights on couch cushions and slid up and
down the hall so they didn't stand up near the windows,
and that's how they would go to the bathroom, go
to the kitchen, and they slept together on the floor
because it was you know, there was so many bullets
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literally flying around the neighborhood. And at one point I
opened the book with a scene where one of their
uncles is over and he stands up and a bullet
comes flying through the through the window and almost kills
the guy.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know, so that's what they were, that's what they
were living in there.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, you know, we feel that times are really
terrible now, and yeah they are, but I can't remember
a time when they weren't really terrible. And certainly they
were worse than sixty eight than they are now, right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Well, sixty seven that someone was as bad as it got.
I mean, there were riots and you know, thirty forty
American cities, including here in Boston.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I said, Hampton Beach, What is that the same period
of time when there were riots at Hampton Beach in
New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I'm not sure about I'm not sure about that, but
I know it was like Watts and you know, Chicago
and Newark were the really really bad ones. But you know,
remember Bradley obviously no no internet, no phones, no cameras anywhere,
so this stuff went on. You know, people got killed
in the streets like dogs, and it was you know,
sometimes it was you know, citizens killing citizens. It was
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police killing citizens, and it was citizens killing police. It
was a war zone.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
It was really bad.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Break the news, Dave, and hear more about your Marvin Hagler.
By the way, the name of it is Blood and Hate.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Correct, that's right, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
More than a moment with Dave Wedge on BZ. It's
Night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio. It is
night Side with Dan.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Ray Bradley j for Dan Tonight with Dave Wedge, and
we talked about his book writing career so far and
now we're focusing down on his Marvin Hagler book, Blood
and Hate. So what a struggle of a life Marvin
Hagler had you before the break got in to his
early years back in sixty seven he was in Newark
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and he had to live through the riots, which the
picture you're painting is it's real hell, like a genuine hell,
something lucky to make it out of, and it does
seem like a life of struggle. Being a fighter is
a struggle, dealing with the fight system, the fight, hierarchy,
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struggle and in the ring of course a struggle. So
pick it up from Jersey or actually pick it up
after the riots? What's next?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So, you know, like I said, Marlin's fifteen years old,
and he's you know, he's worried about his future in
his life and his family and all that. So the
mother finally she had some family in Brockton, so they
moved up and Marvin. She put Marvin and two of
his siblings on a bus and they took the bus
up and they got off in Brockton. They went to
the aunt's house and then she drove up in a
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U haul with whatever belongings they had, and they stayed
with the ants for a little while, and they eventually
got their own place and Marvin went to work. And
what happened was, you know, there in Brockton was something
that changed the trajectory of Marvin's life for the better.
He went to a party one night as a teenager,
as they do, and he went into the projects over
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there on the east side of Brockton, and he ran
across the wrong guy, talked to the wrong girl, and
the guy his name was down L. Wigfall, and he
was a Brockton High football player. At the time, Brockton
High had one of the best football programs in the state.
Something that happened for you know, many many years and
eventually they were one of the best in the country.
But Jornel Wigfall was actually being scouted by the Patriots
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and he ended up he was also a boxer, so
him and Marvin get into a fight and Marvin gets
beeed up pretty bad. He actually had to go to
the hospital. He had a broken tooth and a bruised jar.
And after that fight was when Marvin said, you know what,
that's never going to happen to me again. And that's
when he made his way into the Petronelli Brothers gym,
which was right across the street from where he was living,
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and that's how his fight career started. And he just
didn't want to get bullied anymore. And the great part
of the story that I didn't know when I started
writing this book, and I tell this whole story in
the book. Marvin later got his revenge on going out Wigfall,
not on the streets, but twice in the ring as
a pro they both were. Joanel became a pro boxer.
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Marvin fought him twice early in his career and he
won both fights.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So it's quite a story there that I wasn't aware
of when I started this book.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We have Wayne and Brockton who wants to talk to you,
So let's do that. Wayne, You're on WBZ with Dave Wedge.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Hi evening, guys. I don't know if you mentioned this
at all, David Short's in your book, but anyone who
is a true Marvin fan, many people, most people, they
don't know that he made two movies in the late eighties,
Indio one and two. And you could probably snatch a
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copy on eBay, but it's it's a B or a
C grade at best. But it's just so cool and
someone that you know, you see them in a movie.
It's kind of like a Rambo where he's in the
rainforest or something and he's helping you know, indigenous people
do whatever.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
But and his.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Acting skills were you know, nominal at best. But again,
it was just so cool to see Marvin in a movie.
And again those are called Indio one and then Indio two.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, exactly. That that's great, Wayne, Thanks for bringing that up,
you know, and that is true. You know, when you're
growing up in Broughton and being a little kid, and
I kept hearing the name Marvin Hagham Roger and then
he see him on TV. You know, he's on Dave Letterman,
and he was on commercials. He's on right Guard commercials
and Old Spice commercials. No right Guard, Yeah, it was
right Guard. And then you know, he lived in our city.
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He lived in our community. And that's another reason I
wrote this book, Bradley, was because you know, I don't
want I don't feel like Marvin ever fully got his
due as the sports icon and really the civil rights
hero that he really was. He was quiet about it.
He didn't talk about politics, he didn't talk about news
and all that stuff, but he did it. But by
his actions, you know, he's just a man, a man
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of you know, not a few words. But he wasn't
a big mouth. It wasn't a showboat. But he carried
himself with a lot of dignity. And I feel like
I want the younger generation to understand why Broughton has
called the city of Champions, and why that statue which
we put up in twenty twenty four finally honoring Marvin Hagler.
I want the kids to know why. And it's because
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of this story that I tell him this book. It's
it's not because he won some fights and and made
some money. It's because he was dealt a really poor
hand in life, and he turned that into a full house.
And he did it through hard work and loyalty to
the people that were important to him.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Can you talk a little more about Goodie and Pat
Petronelli and maybe what they saw in Hagler right away?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Absolutely, and that's again a huge part of the book.
You know, Goodie and Pat were Goodie especially was great
friends with Rocky Marciano, and Rocky Marciano for anyone that
doesn't know, you know, forty nine dollars the only undefeated
heavyweight in history. He was retired in nineteen sixty three.
And in nineteen sixty nine, the Petronelli brothers were planning
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to open a gym in Broughton with him. He was
going to be their partner in a gym in downtown Broughton,
and then he died in a plane crash in August
of nineteen sixty nine. So Goody and Pat were both
you know, formed World War Two veterans, and you know,
they ran a labor you know, they ran like a
construction business, and the gym was something they were just
starting to get off off the ground. They had some
young fighters and one of them being Pat's son Tony,
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who was a good pro fighter, and they didn't know
what they were going to do. They said, Rocky's dead.
That was our you know, there was a meal ticket
to build the gym into you know, some name recognition.
No one knew who Goody and Pat Petronelli were, but
everyone knew who Rocky Maciano was, and lo and behold,
little did they know that their future walked into the gym.
That same summer nineteen sixty nine, Marvin Hagla's family moved
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to Broughton and he found his way into that gym.
And it took several years before Marvin became that household
name that they needed to make their gym successful, but
it eventually happened. So there's all these little moments of
karma and serendipity in the book that I didn't know
about even growing up at Brockton, And it was a
joy to research them, and it was it was really
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a labor love to put it together into this this
book that I think is really my best work.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
So what it had have that made them realize we're
gonna make him a star was he.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think hamment a commitment. He had commitment, first of all,
you know that Goody told the story early, you know,
early in Marvin's career that lots of kids come in there,
they fight for a week or two and you know,
they want to get even with a bully or something,
or they just wanted to work out, and they never
come back again. And they fight for three or four
months or even a year or two, and then they
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never come back. You know, they get a job, they
go to school, whatever. But Marvin just kept coming back,
and not only did he come back, he came back
better each time. And Goody said it was very unusual
the way he would come back and remember all the
things that they taught him. So what Marvin did was said,
go to the gym and work out with them, and
then go home at night and practice all the moves
and all the techniques that they taught him. He was
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really really a dedicated guy to to building his his uh,
you know, his arsenal to become a He wanted to
become great right right from the beginning. And great moment
in the book. One of the first things that Goody
and Marvin talk about, when Goody says to him, he says,
you know what's up, kid, So you want to fight
and Marmon says, yeah, I'm going to be the middleweight
champion of the world, and Goody laughed and he said yeah,
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and I'm going to be a trainer. And that's how
their friendship started. And from that moment forward they really
were committed towards that mission. And that's what this book
is all about, is that journey they take together.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
How long has this book been out? It's out now.
You can get it now, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It just came out about two weeks ago. Yeah, okay,
it's available everywhere all bookstores, Amazon, wherever you want to go.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
And the full title is Blood and Hate.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Blood and Hate, The Untold Story of Marvelous Marvin Hagler's
Battle for Glory.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Now we really haven't addressed the hate part, and then
the final segment we will. And this is a kind
of a it's a defining thing. There was an incident
with an English fighter that's just horrific and yeah, we'll
get into that and it's just super sad the way
they I don't want to ruin it. After the break,
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we'll get into the final part here with Dave Wedge
talking about Marvin Hagler. Marvelous Marvin Hagler on w b Z.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Raley j for Dan Ray tonight and tomorrow night, and
we have a wonderful guest Dave Wedge, Harold writer and
a book writer, and we're talking about his book. It's
about Marvin Hagler called Blood and Hate, and we will
get into the hate part, which is really unfortunate. It's
another it's part of Marvin Hagler's struggle. We do have
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Jim and Ashland who wants to get involved here, So
let's go to Jim. Hi, Jim, You're on WBZ with
Dave Wedge. What's up?
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
I had a couple of stories, but I'll get to
the one. I don't know if I'm jumping ahead or not,
but I was in North Conway, New Hampshire, and I
went into a little hub and he came in and
there was only two or three of us there. It
was in the afternoon, and and I talked to him
for a while. What a nice guy, you know, he
was really good and he and he just got a
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red wine with ice in it, and he played pool
by himself, and I wanted to go up and ask
him if he wanted to play a game. But I
didn't want to bother rom either, So but I would
have loved to say I beat out Mob and Haglin.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Jim. Was it was? It was it the Shannon door.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
No, you know that's I know the name if I
heard it, But but I but I don't know. But
they actually knew what he was drinking when he walked in,
and they had a picture of signed. I hadn't noticed.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Player I didn't know. Might have might have been maybe
the Red Parker, because he had a house in Bartlett,
the Red Parker.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It was the Red.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Actually where he ended up. That that's where he passed away,
was up at his house in Bartlet. He that's where
he retired to the Yeah there in Italy. That's where
he split his time between that house and in Italy
in his later years.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So let me ask you, do you regret not going
up to him and saying hello?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
No, I did. I said hello to him, talk to him,
and we actually knew some A friend of mine's uncle
was a box and I regret not going up to
him and ask him to play pools.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I could say I beat.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Him I don't know. I'm not a good pool player,
but I would have loved to have said it.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You could always you could just lie.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Did you say there was a part to part two
to the story.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Well, I remember the the the Hearns hag Will fight,
and he was unbelievable. It was he knocked him senseless.
And the next morning I get up, but I'm watching
one of those morning shows. I don't know what's Good
Morning America or whatever, and they had they hit me
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and Hearns some of his herds on there, and he
had big sunglass songs obviously. Yeah, he just and he
and they asked him about it, and he goes like,
he goes, well, you know I have a knock o punch.
I know I have a knock go punch. But he goes,
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Marvin didn't know I had a knock out punch.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It was a great, great fight. They call it the
greatest three rounds in blocks in history. And a quick
story about Tommy Hearns when when Marvin died in twenty
twenty one, it was at the end of COVID, and
I helped. The mayor of Brockton is a great friend
of mine, a classmate Bob Sullivan, and we decided together,
we said, we have to organize a memorial for Marvin Hagler,
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to let the city pay their pay their respects to him.
So we organized this big, huge thing at at Marciano Stadium,
and Stephen A. Smith came, and Al Bernstein and Bernard
Hopkins and all these great you know, boxing personalities and
champions came. And we tried to get in touch with
Tommy Hearns and invite him, and we never heard back.
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And then we're in the middle of the event that day.
It was a scorching hot day in twenty twenty one,
and all of a sudden, a couple of guys come
in and behind them is Tommy Hearns. He just showed
up unannounced. Wow, and he was he was you know,
he came in and he came over and you know,
talked to the mayor, talked to the family. Marvin's mother
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was there and his siblings, and it was just such
an incredible moment to see him walk in and he's
he's not in the best shape. He's he struggles a
little bit with his health these days. But he got
up there and he spoke and said a few words
and I think it might be out there on YouTube,
you can find it. But that's the power that Marvin had,
you know. He he fought that legendary fight with Tommy
Hearns and he one far and squib beat the tar
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out of him, you know, three rounds. And but Tommy
Hearns had tremendous respect for Marvin Hagler. And I think
that fight made Tommy Hearns a lot of money too,
So I think that played a part in it.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Now, now let's finish up with the Alan Minter fight.
This is a sad, sad thing. You got about.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Three minutes to do.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That, all right, you're putting me on the clock. No, Look,
Alan Minter was a great champion himself. He was from Britain,
but he had a dark side. He grew up in
an area of England that was home to a white
power group called the National Front, and they were racist,
they were anti immigrant and at the time in nineteen
eighty when he was the champion, there was a lot
(35:43):
of a lot of racial tension going on in London
and these this group, the National Front, was you know,
posting flyers all over the city, you know, immigrants get
out and that sort of you know, really loaded racist language.
And Marvin had to go to London and fight him there,
and Alan was a white guy who's the great white hope,
and Marvin's coming in, you know, the angry black guy,
(36:05):
and that was kind of the narrative for the fight,
and Alan Minter unfortunately reinforced that stereotype with a horrible
comment that he made in a pre fight press conference
where he said, no black man will ever take my title.
And imagine saying that today. You know, you talk about viral.
There was no viral back then, but it certainly was
a headline across the globe and that was the that
(36:26):
was the setting for the fight that night. And believe me,
Alan Minter paid for that comment. I don't want to
rule the whole story, but you know, suffice to say,
Marvin wins. And as you said, Bradley, the tragic part
of the story is at the end of the fight,
all those drunken National Front fans and the drunken hooligans
and the racists that were there, they pelted Marvin haggle
with bottles after he won, and he never got his
(36:47):
belt that night. He got he literally his goody and
Pat Petronelli, who had, you know, trained him his whole
life and got him to that moment. They then were
forced to literally protect him and shield him. They there's
a famous picture that's in the book of them covering
Marvin as bottles crashed off of their backs, and they
escaped the arena together, all of them. And Marvin had
(37:09):
to receive his title, his belt back home in Brockton
had to be mailed home. But believe me, they had
one heck of a parade for him when he when
he got his title, when he got his belt.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Man, this sounds like a great book. I can't wait
to read it. And it's available any everywhere. Right do
you prefer? Peter wool Is preferred that people buy it
in small bookstores?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Do you care?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I do as well. I love to drive people to
the bookstores. There's a great new bookstore in Brockton, actually,
if anyone's down in that area, called Doctor Elie's. It's
right on Main Street in Broughton. Support local, I absolutely,
I'm with Peter.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
So now, folks, you have two books you got to buy.
You better get on it.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You have Bud and Hate from Dave Wess, and of
course you have Waiting on the Moon by Peter Woolf,
which is also super great.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Dave Wiche you going to get Peter's book too.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You were a super guest and I'm really glad that
you reached out and reconnected. It's fantastic. Thank you so much.
And I think we are to hang out. Maybe maybe
you Emily Sweeney from The Globe and I should do
a quick hang sometime.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Would love to have you come to the show. It'd
be fun.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Oh yeah, when is that show you're doing with Emily again?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
It's yeah, well yeah, July thirtieth. It's City Winery. Tickets
available now on the going fast. But we really we
think it's going to be a special night of storytelling
and some good old Herald versus Globe war stories. Should
be fun, beautiful. Thanks for the time, brother, Thanks Thanks Bradley,
have a good night.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So after the news, I'm going to open it up
a couple of topics, but this will be.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
A time to just chat and reconnect.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
If you haven't you wanted to be involved with an
actual topic, this next hour would be a good time
for you to check in on WBZ
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