September 11, 2025 • 40 mins
Governor Healey called for all public schools to teach students about 9/11, as many of them today weren't around then. Dan is all on board. What do you think? Should it be mandatory?
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, We're going to continue on the issue from
last hour, which is why is nine to eleven not
a history unit in the Massachusetts public high schools. Again,
I don't think that nine to eleven should be taught
to kids in early grades. I don't even think that
(00:29):
kids in junior high school are ready for it. But
I do think that from a historical point of view,
kids who are high school juniors are more than ready
to deal with nine to eleven. They see it every year,
they watch television, and they know what's going on around them,
but they don't understand the context. And the context is
(00:50):
that this was one of the worst days in American
history in terms of damage that was done to the mainland,
the United States of America, the homeland as it came
to be called. And so we're going to continue with that,
and then we're going to segue into the investigation that
Charlie Kirk shooting. I was just I'm not even gonna
(01:17):
maybe talk about this later. The brutality of the way
in which he was killed, not that there's any nice
way to be killed, but if you've seen the video,
of the shooting. You understand what I mean. This guy
was alive and thinking in one minute. Within a nanosecond,
(01:38):
blood was pouring out of his neck. And the most
people in the country are not going to see that.
But once you see it, you can't unsee it. And
I hope that they catch the person who committed this
heinous act, and it was a heinous act. Soon you've
(01:59):
seen that there's no plenty of video of the person
of interest, and as I've watched out of the corner
of my eye throughout the day, I think they have
figured out who did this. Now the question is who
is he? And the video is pretty clear that these
still photographs are pretty clear. I can't imagine that they
(02:21):
do not have a trace on him right now. And
the question is has he been able to get out
of the country, because if he's in the country anywhere,
I think he will be found and be found quickly.
Let's get to the call. It's going to go to
Terry down in Harwich, Massachusetts on Cape Cod Terry. We're
(02:41):
talking when you were called in, we were talking about
the unit of nine to eleven history that I think
should be in the Massachusetts public schools. High schools. What's
your thought on that?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Hi, Dan, First, you'll let me I would like to
extend my sincerest content all insension prayers to the Charlie
Kirk family. Excusable, excuse me, I said his name wrong.
That is so inexcusable and horrific, and no one should
(03:14):
ever leave this world that way, and it's got it stuck.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I could not agree with you more now.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I know that's not your subject, but they haven I'm
shocked that school curriculum don't teach nine eleven.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I was not even personally aware of that until I've
heard it on your show.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It was in the conversation. It was in the conversation
with Pat Davis the other day. And let me just
make sure people don't get confused. It can be taught,
but it's taught on a voluntary basis, and there's no
record of what school systems teach it and what school
systems don't. It's clearly a history unit, just like the
(03:59):
Civil War is a history unit, of the Revolutionary War
was a history unit, and you know the Great Depression,
you know all the points in our nation's history that
were critical. It should be mandatory.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean, it's like, I think it should be automatic.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Right, that's even that's even better.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I can't even understand why we would need legislation for this.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, that.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Makes sense that it's not automatic. And what is wrong
with the school systems everywhere that it isn't Well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think what happens is that school systems become entities
under themselves. And I can remember when I was in
school a long time ago, whenever you had history, history
was the one course that they never seemed to complete.
I remember that. You know that all of a sudden,
if you were taking a US history course, if they
(05:04):
got to World War two, great, If they didn't, that
was it when when the school bells ran, Yeah, and
they took the textbooks back for next year's classes. But obviously, look,
I assume everyone in who's living and breathing in Massachusetts
(05:27):
understands about September eleventh. But I do think that it's
the sort of thing that, as you say, and as
I said earlier, should be taught. But I think you
got to make it mandatory. You got to say to
these school departments. Because there's three hundred and fifty one
cities in towns, some of them have done it, and
apparently some of them haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And if people will listening, if it has to be mandatory,
it should be done tomorrow without fail.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well let's see what happens. Representative Colleen Gary, who was
on last hour I'm sure you heard, who's a Democrat
from Draken and Tingsboro, that she will file the legislation
and we will follow it. A lot of times good
legislation gets filed at the State House and it sort
of dies and no one knows why.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It just gets you know, as they say in circular file.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The circular file referred to committee.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's what I don't maybe you know the answer to
this Dand would it be possible for even Governor Healey
to write an executive order?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, she probably could, but I do think that a
statute has a more a longer lasting order. You know,
once it's on the books as a law, it's been
enacted and it has to be enforced unless some subsequent
(06:55):
legislature were to overturn that particular law. But yeah, I mean,
the governor can advise something, she can issue an executive order.
But what happens is when, as we found out with
you know, the transition between President Biden and President Trump.
The new governor could turn around if they wanted to
and uh an amended executive order. You can't amend a
(07:17):
piece of legislation once it goes through the House, the Senate,
signed by the governor's it's on the books. There's a
permanence about about laws that executive orders don't have.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's why I see what you're saying. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
All right, Thanks, Terry is always great, great to talk.
We'll talk soon. I'll see you soon.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay, bye bye, Dan.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
All right, I'm going to take a very quick break here.
I got Bob and rain them coming up, Dave, and
we got a little we got a little room for
if you want to get in right now six one seven, two,
five four thirty or six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. And one of the questions that I want
to ask, my my, but my listeners, you've seen the
(08:05):
video now, I assume, and you've seen the still shots
of this person of interest. I don't think it's going
to take too long for him to be found and
and let us hope he is the right person and
that this case, this looks like it's a it's a
(08:26):
it's a pretty walk. Shut shut down case here that
they they have tracked him leaving, they have tracked him
walking there. Uh, and they've they've tracked him up onto
the roof where the shot came from, left the weapon.
They found the weapon. They can match the weapon with
the with the the bullet that hit Kirk. This this
(08:51):
should be a slam dunk for any competent law enforcement
agency and prosecutor, in my opinion, Let's keep it rolling.
Coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
All right, back to the phones we go. We were
talking about two topics. Let's go to Bob in Rainham, Massachusetts. Bob,
Welcome back to Nightside. How are you sir?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Hey Dan, how's it going.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm doing fine. We have talked about we talking about
nine to eleven as a mandatory teaching unit, curriculum unit
in Massachusetts high schools. You heard Representative Colleen Gary pledge
that should file some legislations tomorrow. And also, I don't
know if you've seen any of the video in or
still pictures of the person of interest, but I got
(09:44):
to believe that that they now know who he is,
and let's hope he is in custody sooner rather than later.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, I agree. I like, well, first of all, I
was pretty happy to hear that representative and you know
yourself talking about being a mandatory teaching Sadly, I can't
believe that it is. Isn't at this point. But and
then the the other thing I think we have to
(10:18):
be aware of is, you know, not only do we
teach it, but we have to teach it from the
right perspective. I mean, there's a lot of you know,
rumor or in you when to going on, you know,
and it depends on the teacher. You know, that America
had to coming to them number one, and then that
(10:39):
the second one is that you know, it was an
inside job or whatever, which I don't believe either one
of those.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't either, Bob. And you know, people can have
whatever they want to believe. Look, there was some teachers
around Massachusetts and some other states who made some pretty
scolulous remarks about the murder of Charlie Kirk, and those
teachers have been suspended. I don't know what's going to
(11:08):
happen to them. But when you develop a mandatory you know,
teaching unit, you deal with the facts. You don't get
into the politics. You talk about what happened, the who, what, when, where,
and why, and this idea that it was an inside job.
We dealt with that, you know, fifteen years ago on
(11:28):
this program. And you know it's like people anybody, they
can they can deny the obvious. They can say, oh,
those weren't airplanes, that that blow that drove that flew
in there, or anything, and those people believe it, which
is fine. You know, there are people who who believe
all sorts of stuff, but it doesn't get into the curriculum.
(11:49):
And in terms of people who want to try to
ascribe a motive and make heroes out of people who
killed three thousand people in a single day, all for
an ideology that is a terrorist ideology, it's it can
(12:13):
that can be. Look, you know there's always going to
be people who will try to twist something, but no,
it's not gonna happen, not gonna happen at all. Let's
let's make sure that that it's taught and it's taught correctly.
As as it happened. We know who these men were,
we know why they came here, we know what they did.
(12:34):
They hijacked airplanes and they killed innocent people, people who
were who were men and women, gay and straight, elderly
and infants, people who were who were Christian, who were Jewish,
who were who were Islamic. They didn't go through the
plane and hand out parachutes to people who happened to
share whatever ideology they thought they shared. They just wanted
(12:58):
to slaughter people. So that that's you're not concerned.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, well, I mean it shouldn't be a concern, but
it could be dependent on the teacher that's teaching the program,
and it shouldn't be taught that way.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No, I agree with you. But what happens is when
they teach a program to a class with twenty kids
or whatever it is, if some teacher tries to put
a spin on it that is that that veers away
from the curriculum that's been approved, then they got a problem.
I mean, it's as simple as that that they should
not try to politicize it one way or the other.
(13:33):
You talk about what happened, when it happened, where it happened,
and the who what when we're why, and uh, you know,
I'm sure that the terrorists had in their mind that
they were doing us for some great, wonderful cause. But
you can mention that. But but you when you mentioned
the cause, what was their cause? Their cause was extreme
(13:57):
extremism terrorists. I mean, if you want to mention that,
if they want to mention that as a cause, fine
with me, go ahead. I'm dominating this conversation. I don't
want to do that. But you raised an issue that
I thought was important. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, So if I could, I'd like to relate it
to my son and myself thinking I was trying to
think so in my opinion, my son's thirty years old. Now,
he was six when nine to eleven happened, and at
that time, you know the guidance from his school, and
(14:32):
I agree with it as well, as you know, we
had a we had to shield our children from this,
this horrendous event, and kind of you know, if they
asked about it, just kind of say, you know, like
something bad happened.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
So any kid thirty Aranda has no real unless you know,
they've looked into it on their own since or whatever,
or they've had teaching about how horrendous this act was.
And I want to relate it to myself, thinking you know,
when I was a kid at his age. I mean,
I guess so I would have went back to like
(15:09):
Pearl Harbor. And again, like you know, my mother never
really told me about Pearl Harbor, but I eventually learned
it in school. But when I learned it, when I
learned it, it was all from a pro American standpoint,
and I'm afraid today that that same standpoint is not there.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well, it doesn't mean it doesn't have it can be taught.
What I'm trying to say, Bob, and I guess I
didn't say it well enough, so I'll just try to
encapsulate quickly. It is taught from a factual standpoint, that's all.
And there's no politics in it at all. Here's what happened.
They can they can, they can read whatever they want
outside a classroom from from all different perspectives. But it's
(15:56):
it's Pearl Harbor. I mean, you you there. There were
people who say, well, the United States was expanding and
Japan felt that the US had expanded into the Pacific Ocean,
which was their area of responsibility. You could come up
with all, you know, you know, whatever, you come up
with anything, but you know, we were attacked by Pearl Harbor.
(16:18):
What do we what were we suppose by the Japanese
of Pearl harborit what we will we supposed to do so, no, no.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Anyway, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And just one more point if I could, In my opinion,
nine to eleven is multitude worse than what happened at
Pearl Harbor. At least Pearl Harbor was a military They
attacked a military base. These are innocent people. And and
(16:48):
one more thing, you know, you hear all these people
never forget, never forget forgetting nine to eleven, and they
were about to elect a Muslim as the mayor of
New York City.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, well, I mean I just first all, I'm not
so much Bob. Bob helped me out here. I'm not
so much concerned that Mandami happens to be Muslim. I'm
concerned socialist. I'm concerned he's a socialist.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
I bet.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, again, I there's no evidence of that one, Bob.
But I think, Bob, I think we've gone longer than
than than I needed to. And I just think that
that that brings into the conversation an issue which is unfair. Okay,
they're those those Islamic terrorists. Look, those Islamic terrorists did
(17:38):
not represent people who were Muslim who were god fearing people. Okay,
come on, Bob, that's Bob. Thanks much. We'll talk soon.
Have a great night. We're done. You know, sometimes I'm
too generous with my time, and do me a fair
(18:00):
if you know, if you want to, if you want
to go off and never never land, that's fine. You're
gonna vote for Mindami. Don't vote for him or against
him because he's a Muslim. Vote for him, against him
because he's a socialist. If you want a socialist running
New York City, vote for Mindami, Okay, because he will.
He will wreck New York City. He will make the
(18:21):
stores of New York City look like the stores in Moscow. Okay,
that's the reason you vote for him or you don't.
Whether you if you're a socialist communist, vote for Mandamie.
If you believe in capitalism, you don't want to vote
for Mindami. I have no idea what Mndami's position is
on anything other than economics, and I don't really care
(18:43):
at this point. Okay, because he's disqualified from my perspective.
I know why Donald Trump is going after him. He
wants Madami to be elected because that's going to turn
normal Americans against the Democratic Party. It's gonna when he
becomes the standard bearer of the mayor of New York City.
That's going to be really a problem for the Democratic
(19:07):
Party in a lot of districts around the country. We'll
be back on Nightside right after the news. I'm too.
I'm going to stop being as kind a talk show
host as I am. That's all because I don't want
any of that that garbage conversation on Nightside. Simple as that.
We'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think I have to get tougher with some of
my callers. Okay. I try to be a nice guy.
I try to give people an opportunity to say what
they want to say, but don't pollute my program. Okay,
simple as that. Simple as that, Dave and san Antonio.
Dave you next to nights.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
I go ahead, Yeah, Dan, Well, I just like to say,
you're nine to eleven was our pearl harbroad today. It
just' was the beginning of what's happening in this country.
It hadn't stopped since nine to eleven. But things didn't
stop with nine to eleven. And you know, them guys
(20:13):
getting whatever they got had coming to them, some of them.
It's still going on. We're being invaded from the border.
We've do you know we got fifty million visas in
this country for the Democratic president's fifty million visas.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Wait a second, the border I thought has been effectively
closed by president.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
It's closed now.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's closed now, and ICE is removing people.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Correct, Uh huh, there's thirty million, they remove two million,
there's still twenty eight million.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, Rome wasn't really in a day, was it, Dave?
Speaker 6 (20:50):
No, And what that fellow said about of Muslims?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I did you know there's going to be a short conversation, Dave,
you know that.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Well, what what I'm saying is you cut him off
and he was simply talking like Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Charlie Kirk. Yeah, okay, here's the deal. Okay, First of all,
I am I understand what Charlie Kirk has said. Okay,
that was not what Charlie Kirk represented. And if you
guys want to somehow blame the everybody who happens to
be Muslim, which is what he was trying to do
(21:28):
for nine to eleven, Uh, you're dead wrong. Is that
what you're trying to say, Dave just saying.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
You got to understand him, is that what is that?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Look, Dave, don't insult my intelligence, because if you want
to insult my intelligence, don't call my program. Okay, I
understood exactly what he was saying. He was basically saying
that that we're in some sort of a religious war
with every Muslim in the world. That is not true.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
That is probably wrong. That's wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's what he was saying that.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
And he was implying, listen, listen to me, listen my story.
My little girl third grade delivered newspapers in Detroit, had
two hundred customers in the Arab neighborhood. When they found
out she was the daughter of a Jewish person. Everybody
at the mosque was down there at the distributors.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I assume you're telling me the truth, but I can't
imagine that that that actually happened. But again, it doesn't
contribute anything to my show. It doesn't contribute anything to
tonight's conversation. Your daughter was three? What year was that, Dave?
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Third grade?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What year?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
What year was that? Yet's see, she was born in
nineteen seventy eight in third grade? How old are you? Twelve?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Eleven six seven eight.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, nineteenth thirventy nine.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It was nineteen seventy nine. Okay, good enough, Yeah, thanks Dave.
I appreciate your call. Pooh man, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let me go to Laurie in Idaho.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Laurie, thank god you've heard that story before.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh yeah, like he loves loves to tell that story.
I have no idea if that story is true. I
can't imagine is true, but I'm sure he believes it,
just like that other guy you know once that you know,
he the other guy was was all in on. It
wasn't the planes. No, No, it wasn't the planes. There
(23:28):
were bombs, the dynamite. Yeah, we dealt with that that
garbage fifteen years ago. It smelled then, and it smells.
It smells worse.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You just have to be more polite than I, which
I won't even bother to address it anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, No, I I think I I think I need
to start being impolite to be really honest with you.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think that just hit that plank button.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, yeah, that's well, I rely on Rob for the
plank button. So I don't blame your kid. I don't well,
you know I would hope that at this point Rob's
sense is is adequate to know when I really you know,
I hate to.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Give it, so I would wait on advisement.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, maybe I'll have a secret password with Rob. We
can make it aqua for water, aqua from what Rob? Yeah,
don't put glory in the water, that's for sure. Yeah,
I'm sure. So Okay, here's my question. Uh, you're in Idaho.
(24:37):
That's a lot closer to Utah than than we are.
You know, the terrain in that part of the country
pretty clear that someone is going to know who this
guy is. Have you seen the pictures today? Have you
seen the video?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I saw the ones that looked like he's walking into
a hallway and the stairwell and he's, of all things,
there's an American flag on his damn shirt. Go figure.
Yeah right, I think he's wearing a backpack.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He was wearing a backpack, and there's a couple of
shots where it looks he might have a bulletproof vest on.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I think that's the backpack though. I think those draft
of the backpack.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, either way, he was limping. It looked like he
was limping, so it looked like he had the gun
I don't know how long that rifle was, but it
looked as if he had that maybe uh stuffed up
his leg his right legs. Yeah, limping, but he wasn't
limping when he escaped. He came down off the building, jump.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
To the ground, and his pants were his pants were
weird too when he was when they show those pictures
and so and that that kind of rifle doesn't always
break down, so you're not going to put it in
a backpack. But yeah, so I well, first of all,
I just want to say I think the nine to
eleven curriculum should be at least some part of it
all over the United States. And they need the kids
need the visuals of you know, what our twin towers
(25:51):
were and what happened to them, and then to the people.
I mean, there's a whole bunch of stuff there that
needs to be incorporated, and I think it should be everywhere,
not just well, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just talking about Massachusetts because we're a bosson you know.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Obviously, where the whole country isn't.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And I agree with you on that, So I'll take
the hit on that because we should be we should
be talking kidding you.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I'm just I'm just I mean they're what you know,
fifty minus fourteen by those states that haven't bothered to
do it and history that needs.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To be And the other thing too, is that I
had the list. Where is the list here that I had?
I don't think Idaho was on that list.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
No, it's not Idaho. If it were on the list,
would actually know where New England is, along with probably
Wyoming probably, well, I.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Don't think Wyoming was. There are a lot of southern
states now nothing.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I don't think anything west of the Mississippi is on
the list. Texas, Texas, Nebraska was.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
They'd see Nebraska was. Yeah, Nebraska was on And I'm
trying to find the list of the states because I
think I think you're right. Let meet just real quickly.
Here states that teach nine to eleven. Maybe this was
I can pull it up real quickly here so we
can read it for our audience. New York was on
the list. Okay, here's the group. You have New York
(27:18):
and Texas. So New York big blue state, Texas, big
red state. You got Nebraska, republican state, Illinois, big democratic state, Indiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama.
So that's about four states in the South. Add Georgia
and South Carolina. That's six states in the South. Then
you got West Virginia and Virginia in Maryland a blue state.
(27:41):
So other than Nebraska and Texas and Oklahoma, nothing else
is west of the Mississippi. It's like it didn't no, And.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I think I think it's more because it's an East
East Coast thing versus red or blue.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
It's just East coast.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I mean the people people out here, I mean no
more than New England sometimes doesn't know where Wyoming is,
or where Minnesota is, or where Montana, r Iino is.
People in the west out here unless they've had really
good education and like you know, the states and geography,
they they don't know anything on the west and the
East coast. So yeah, I understand that if everybody has curriculums,
(28:16):
O where the East coast is.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
No, But when Pearl Harbor was was bombed, we took
notice of it here in New England.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah bye, Well, but it wasn't such a crazy news
situation either. It's everybody's become a bit myopic depending on Yeah,
unfortunately unfortunately, So my question, how bunch of warplanes moving
in and bombing that's yeah, who wouldn't take notice.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well, but do you know that there were more people
killed in nine to eleven than in Pearl Harbor?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean it was close close.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, a couple of thousand in Pearl Harbor. I believe
it's the number in thirty twenty nine hundred plus.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, and neither of them are good.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
It's it was.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
It was a horrible, horrible day and a horrible horrible thing.
And I had never made the connection between the groundbreaking
of the Pentagon and then the hover many years later
for nine to eleven. Did somebody really look at that
and target that or did they just get lucky?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I think they got lucky because I had never heard
that even in every other someone must have done it.
Now again, I guess you can sometimes characterize what actually
involves the groundbreaking, but that's true. It was nine to eleven,
nineteen forty one, which was what three months prior to
(29:35):
Pearl Harbor too, But that was hit with that airplane
sixty years to the day, and someone did someone did
their research, and it was it was you know, I
could just imagine Ronald Reagan delivering that speech.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, that would have been nice. He was he was
quite the orator, yes he was.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
And the Democrats on good words today, but no, he
said good He says.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Good words, but he's but obviously those words often are
written for him. But he doesn't have that either, the
oratorical skills that on Obama, Clinton or Reagan.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Head And that's George w to a certain extent and
had them a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
He added the one when when when he said when
they couldn't hear him speaking on the pile and uh uh,
he said that they'll hear me soon, and you know
they'll hear from all of us soon.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But I think one of his speeches of the nation
right after wasn't horrible. Yeah, you could tell he went
to church. People who go to church or good orators.
It's weird that way, but they they've grown up learning
how to speak that way. So anyway, but I'm I'm
so glad they found this information. This guy he looks
like a heroin at frankly.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But yeah, you wonder what's going on in his head
and why he would pick uh, this this guy Charlie
kirk uh. Now you know he was a quote unquote influencer.
It's obviously had tremendous impact.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
But affecting the youth, which is so hard to do.
And look what he did. I mean, I don't care
which side it's for. If you can you can get
some of these kids to pay attention what's going on
in the world and maybe be interested in their world,
their country, anything that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, well, I mean, we'll find out. Last night I
was of the I'm still not unconvinced that this wasn't
planned out more than we thought for him to be
able to get away. And he's been gone now for
what thirty six hours or whatever it.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Is, Well, not still be alive, but well, probably I'll
find out what the heck happened.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But I hope that they do find I hope that
they do take him alive. And I was just kid
with you about geography. Maybe he's somewhere up in the
Idaho area. Maybe he's up.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
We don't go there.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
We've had enough of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You have had. Yes, you have a guy that yeah,
oh absolute, And they haven't found him. This is where
we're referring to a uh. I didn't want to say
as a man, because he wasn't He killed his three daughters,
his three daughters. They haven't found him. Yet either. All right, Lauria,
I'll let you go talk to you soon. All right, thanks, Laurie.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Hev a great, good show.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
It was, it was.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
It was a good, good honor to the day.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
And thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Thank you man, my pleasure. Thanks appreciate it. We'll take
quick break here, come back on nightside. Got a couple
of lines if you want six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six one seven ninety Coming back on night side.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
All right, back we go. Who's up next? Yeah, I'm
going to go to Tom in Dorchester. Tom next on nisider, Right.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Ahead, Thank you, I'll bet well Regge, I mean here
a great spiagure and the Wizard of Us was a
great reader. Obama, Well, I didn't hear his speech today,
but I love that word lunatic that uh Donald Trump uses.
And I was I just want to say, I was
(33:05):
listening to the show the other night. I heard see
it or a call enough said.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, you know you certainly strung some thoughts together there, Tom.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
I mean, I don't want to spot any of your callers, but.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, they don't mention the other callers call up and
make your points. I don't want someone to persmirt you either,
U Tom. I asked people to respect everybody. I had
Theodore on the other night from Baltimore. He his points
of view are different than yours, and mind Tom, and
it doesn't make it. You know, he has a right
(33:43):
to his opinions in America. That's what makes the country great.
That's what what what Charlie kirk Kirk was doing. He
was engaging people in conversations. He was driving a lot
of people crazy because he was a very good or
he was a very good debater. When I had people
(34:04):
calling in and making statements that are patently false that
whether it's about a religion or whether it's about what
took a building down, do you have any doubt as
to what caused the collapse of the twin Towers in
uh twenty four years ago today? No, not really.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
It was those planes.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I believe well, I convinced those I've never seen a
building hit by two or buildings hit by two airplanes.
I've seen the explosions. I don't want to even waste
my time. I asked you that question hoping that you
were going to say to me, Dan, of course I
know what it was. So anyway, nonetheless, thanks for the call,
(34:44):
appreciate it, Thank you, Yanks to good night. Let me
try Eddie one more time. Eddie would give you one
more shot.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
Here, go ahead, No, sorry about that. The dog knocked
the phone off my hands.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well that happens, you know, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
Yeah, well yeah, I've been listening for a couple of years.
Definitely enjoy your show of every educational you know, obviously
the Charlie characters. Man, this country has gone so backwards,
is you know. I mean I'm Puerto Rican, raised in Jamaica,
Plane and my family's been Democratic, but the more since
nineteen ninety five, I became much open minded and I
(35:22):
tend to vote for who I believe in. I don't
vote for the party. I so so going for like
nine to eleven. Great that they teach you to school,
but the only thing that always comes to mind every
year is that how far do you teach it right?
Because if you remember, there were clips out there of
(35:43):
so many different countries celebrating the hatreds towards us.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I don't think you have to go there in
terms of teaching, and I think that's just I think,
like anything else, when you and I learned about I
don't know, you know, World War II two, they teach that,
you know, maybe in two or three class sessions or whatever,
and then and then people can go and they can
(36:10):
do their own research on it. There were a lot
of countries around the world that supported us frankly at
that time. You know, there are bad there are bad
leaders around the world. We've dealt with them over time,
and we're generally prevailed, you know. And as I say,
there are countries out there. We don't have to turn
(36:33):
it into you know, we don't need to politicize it.
I think the facts stand for pretty clearly for themselves, Eddie.
To be honest with you, is this your first time
calling the show, Eddie?
Speaker 9 (36:45):
Oh no, my third time.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well, thank you, thank you, and please please come back
more often. And I'm like you, I vote for the individual,
not for the party.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Yeah, exactly. And sometimes I don't even vote at all
because I just can't agree.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I think you should all vote.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I think it's that is true.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
That is all right, so real quick is like, you know,
I just don't want to teach our kids, hey, towards
other countries.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Exactly exactly, because you give the look. There was a
point when Germany was run by Adolph Hitler. Now Germany
is one of our greatest allies. Japan attacked us in
Pearl Harbor. Japan is a great ally, you know.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
It's it's how we I guess how they teach it
and how they educate us.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I'm with you, and and it should be. It should
be monitored. There's no doubt about that. But let's just
deal with the facts. Who what, when, we're why? I
think that's all we got to do. Thanks, talked to you.
Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you so much.
We're gonna go next to Christine and debt aim High Christine, Welcome.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
How are you?
Speaker 7 (37:57):
I'm sorry I haven't calllled you.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I've been I just weather that's okay.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I hope you're on the road to recovery. Thanks for
checking in. We're getting a little tight on time. What's
what's your what's your thought tonight?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
I thought you did a great job tonight.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
You're so right on everything you'll be saying.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You just you really, you know, well, I don't know
if I'm if I'm correct on everything I say what
I try to do is at least back it up
with some some facts. And so many people have this
these these crazy ideas, and I just don't want people
using my show to dump crazy ideas. That's all. I mean.
(38:34):
I'll talk about any idea. But you know, this whole
stuff about world It wasn't the planes that took the
World Trade Center down?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Really, right?
Speaker 7 (38:49):
I learned, you know, I was want to do Facebook
and everything. Now they're saying the government is hiding that
there was a fifth plane that hit the World Trade
I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Oh no, no, no, absolutely not a fifth plan. You
said a fifth plan? Yeah no, I you know there's
a lot of crap on Facebook, Okay, and yeah, so
please that's you know, everything you read is not necessarily true.
(39:20):
Thanks Christine. We are flat on time, so I got
to let you run. We'll talk to you mine next time.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
I want a world of peace. I'm so tired of
all the hate.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm with you on that totally, and I think everybody's
with you. Thanks Christine. We're done for the night. Rob
great job, Thank you very much, And I want to
thank Karen Bussemi who helped put together tonight's show. I
want to thank most of the callers tonight's. You can
always bring your arguments. Bring the arguments, but be prepared
to defend them. We are done for the night. Old dogs,
(39:51):
all cats, Oh pets go to heaven. That's why Peal
Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago in Febuly. That's
why your pets are past. They love you, You love them.
I do believe you'll see them again. And have a
great Friday, everybody. It's almost TG. I have Friday.
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, We're going to continue on the issue from
last hour, which is why is nine to eleven not
a history unit in the Massachusetts public high schools. Again,
I don't think that nine to eleven should be taught
to kids in early grades. I don't even think that
(00:29):
kids in junior high school are ready for it. But
I do think that from a historical point of view,
kids who are high school juniors are more than ready
to deal with nine to eleven. They see it every year,
they watch television, and they know what's going on around them,
but they don't understand the context. And the context is
(00:50):
that this was one of the worst days in American
history in terms of damage that was done to the mainland,
the United States of America, the homeland as it came
to be called. And so we're going to continue with that,
and then we're going to segue into the investigation that
Charlie Kirk shooting. I was just I'm not even gonna
(01:17):
maybe talk about this later. The brutality of the way
in which he was killed, not that there's any nice
way to be killed, but if you've seen the video,
of the shooting. You understand what I mean. This guy
was alive and thinking in one minute. Within a nanosecond,
(01:38):
blood was pouring out of his neck. And the most
people in the country are not going to see that.
But once you see it, you can't unsee it. And
I hope that they catch the person who committed this
heinous act, and it was a heinous act. Soon you've
(01:59):
seen that there's no plenty of video of the person
of interest, and as I've watched out of the corner
of my eye throughout the day, I think they have
figured out who did this. Now the question is who
is he? And the video is pretty clear that these
still photographs are pretty clear. I can't imagine that they
(02:21):
do not have a trace on him right now. And
the question is has he been able to get out
of the country, because if he's in the country anywhere,
I think he will be found and be found quickly.
Let's get to the call. It's going to go to
Terry down in Harwich, Massachusetts on Cape Cod Terry. We're
(02:41):
talking when you were called in, we were talking about
the unit of nine to eleven history that I think
should be in the Massachusetts public schools. High schools. What's
your thought on that?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Hi, Dan, First, you'll let me I would like to
extend my sincerest content all insension prayers to the Charlie
Kirk family. Excusable, excuse me, I said his name wrong.
That is so inexcusable and horrific, and no one should
(03:14):
ever leave this world that way, and it's got it stuck.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I could not agree with you more now.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I know that's not your subject, but they haven I'm
shocked that school curriculum don't teach nine eleven.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I was not even personally aware of that until I've
heard it on your show.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It was in the conversation. It was in the conversation
with Pat Davis the other day. And let me just
make sure people don't get confused. It can be taught,
but it's taught on a voluntary basis, and there's no
record of what school systems teach it and what school
systems don't. It's clearly a history unit, just like the
(03:59):
Civil War is a history unit, of the Revolutionary War
was a history unit, and you know the Great Depression,
you know all the points in our nation's history that
were critical. It should be mandatory.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean, it's like, I think it should be automatic.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Right, that's even that's even better.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I can't even understand why we would need legislation for this.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, that.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Makes sense that it's not automatic. And what is wrong
with the school systems everywhere that it isn't Well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think what happens is that school systems become entities
under themselves. And I can remember when I was in
school a long time ago, whenever you had history, history
was the one course that they never seemed to complete.
I remember that. You know that all of a sudden,
if you were taking a US history course, if they
(05:04):
got to World War two, great, If they didn't, that
was it when when the school bells ran, Yeah, and
they took the textbooks back for next year's classes. But obviously, look,
I assume everyone in who's living and breathing in Massachusetts
(05:27):
understands about September eleventh. But I do think that it's
the sort of thing that, as you say, and as
I said earlier, should be taught. But I think you
got to make it mandatory. You got to say to
these school departments. Because there's three hundred and fifty one
cities in towns, some of them have done it, and
apparently some of them haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And if people will listening, if it has to be mandatory,
it should be done tomorrow without fail.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well let's see what happens. Representative Colleen Gary, who was
on last hour I'm sure you heard, who's a Democrat
from Draken and Tingsboro, that she will file the legislation
and we will follow it. A lot of times good
legislation gets filed at the State House and it sort
of dies and no one knows why.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It just gets you know, as they say in circular file.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The circular file referred to committee.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's what I don't maybe you know the answer to
this Dand would it be possible for even Governor Healey
to write an executive order?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, she probably could, but I do think that a
statute has a more a longer lasting order. You know,
once it's on the books as a law, it's been
enacted and it has to be enforced unless some subsequent
(06:55):
legislature were to overturn that particular law. But yeah, I mean,
the governor can advise something, she can issue an executive order.
But what happens is when, as we found out with
you know, the transition between President Biden and President Trump.
The new governor could turn around if they wanted to
and uh an amended executive order. You can't amend a
(07:17):
piece of legislation once it goes through the House, the Senate,
signed by the governor's it's on the books. There's a
permanence about about laws that executive orders don't have.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's why I see what you're saying. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
All right, Thanks, Terry is always great, great to talk.
We'll talk soon. I'll see you soon.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay, bye bye, Dan.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
All right, I'm going to take a very quick break here.
I got Bob and rain them coming up, Dave, and
we got a little we got a little room for
if you want to get in right now six one seven, two,
five four thirty or six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. And one of the questions that I want
to ask, my my, but my listeners, you've seen the
(08:05):
video now, I assume, and you've seen the still shots
of this person of interest. I don't think it's going
to take too long for him to be found and
and let us hope he is the right person and
that this case, this looks like it's a it's a
(08:26):
it's a pretty walk. Shut shut down case here that
they they have tracked him leaving, they have tracked him
walking there. Uh, and they've they've tracked him up onto
the roof where the shot came from, left the weapon.
They found the weapon. They can match the weapon with
the with the the bullet that hit Kirk. This this
(08:51):
should be a slam dunk for any competent law enforcement
agency and prosecutor, in my opinion, Let's keep it rolling.
Coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
All right, back to the phones we go. We were
talking about two topics. Let's go to Bob in Rainham, Massachusetts. Bob,
Welcome back to Nightside. How are you sir?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Hey Dan, how's it going.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm doing fine. We have talked about we talking about
nine to eleven as a mandatory teaching unit, curriculum unit
in Massachusetts high schools. You heard Representative Colleen Gary pledge
that should file some legislations tomorrow. And also, I don't
know if you've seen any of the video in or
still pictures of the person of interest, but I got
(09:44):
to believe that that they now know who he is,
and let's hope he is in custody sooner rather than later.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, I agree. I like, well, first of all, I
was pretty happy to hear that representative and you know
yourself talking about being a mandatory teaching Sadly, I can't
believe that it is. Isn't at this point. But and
then the the other thing I think we have to
(10:18):
be aware of is, you know, not only do we
teach it, but we have to teach it from the
right perspective. I mean, there's a lot of you know,
rumor or in you when to going on, you know,
and it depends on the teacher. You know, that America
had to coming to them number one, and then that
(10:39):
the second one is that you know, it was an
inside job or whatever, which I don't believe either one
of those.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't either, Bob. And you know, people can have
whatever they want to believe. Look, there was some teachers
around Massachusetts and some other states who made some pretty
scolulous remarks about the murder of Charlie Kirk, and those
teachers have been suspended. I don't know what's going to
(11:08):
happen to them. But when you develop a mandatory you know,
teaching unit, you deal with the facts. You don't get
into the politics. You talk about what happened, the who, what, when, where,
and why, and this idea that it was an inside job.
We dealt with that, you know, fifteen years ago on
(11:28):
this program. And you know it's like people anybody, they
can they can deny the obvious. They can say, oh,
those weren't airplanes, that that blow that drove that flew
in there, or anything, and those people believe it, which
is fine. You know, there are people who who believe
all sorts of stuff, but it doesn't get into the curriculum.
(11:49):
And in terms of people who want to try to
ascribe a motive and make heroes out of people who
killed three thousand people in a single day, all for
an ideology that is a terrorist ideology, it's it can
(12:13):
that can be. Look, you know there's always going to
be people who will try to twist something, but no,
it's not gonna happen, not gonna happen at all. Let's
let's make sure that that it's taught and it's taught correctly.
As as it happened. We know who these men were,
we know why they came here, we know what they did.
(12:34):
They hijacked airplanes and they killed innocent people, people who
were who were men and women, gay and straight, elderly
and infants, people who were who were Christian, who were Jewish,
who were who were Islamic. They didn't go through the
plane and hand out parachutes to people who happened to
share whatever ideology they thought they shared. They just wanted
(12:58):
to slaughter people. So that that's you're not concerned.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, well, I mean it shouldn't be a concern, but
it could be dependent on the teacher that's teaching the program,
and it shouldn't be taught that way.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No, I agree with you. But what happens is when
they teach a program to a class with twenty kids
or whatever it is, if some teacher tries to put
a spin on it that is that that veers away
from the curriculum that's been approved, then they got a problem.
I mean, it's as simple as that that they should
not try to politicize it one way or the other.
(13:33):
You talk about what happened, when it happened, where it happened,
and the who what when we're why, and uh, you know,
I'm sure that the terrorists had in their mind that
they were doing us for some great, wonderful cause. But
you can mention that. But but you when you mentioned
the cause, what was their cause? Their cause was extreme
(13:57):
extremism terrorists. I mean, if you want to mention that,
if they want to mention that as a cause, fine
with me, go ahead. I'm dominating this conversation. I don't
want to do that. But you raised an issue that
I thought was important. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, So if I could, I'd like to relate it
to my son and myself thinking I was trying to
think so in my opinion, my son's thirty years old. Now,
he was six when nine to eleven happened, and at
that time, you know the guidance from his school, and
(14:32):
I agree with it as well, as you know, we
had a we had to shield our children from this,
this horrendous event, and kind of you know, if they
asked about it, just kind of say, you know, like
something bad happened.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
So any kid thirty Aranda has no real unless you know,
they've looked into it on their own since or whatever,
or they've had teaching about how horrendous this act was.
And I want to relate it to myself, thinking you know,
when I was a kid at his age. I mean,
I guess so I would have went back to like
(15:09):
Pearl Harbor. And again, like you know, my mother never
really told me about Pearl Harbor, but I eventually learned
it in school. But when I learned it, when I
learned it, it was all from a pro American standpoint,
and I'm afraid today that that same standpoint is not there.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well, it doesn't mean it doesn't have it can be taught.
What I'm trying to say, Bob, and I guess I
didn't say it well enough, so I'll just try to
encapsulate quickly. It is taught from a factual standpoint, that's all.
And there's no politics in it at all. Here's what happened.
They can they can, they can read whatever they want
outside a classroom from from all different perspectives. But it's
(15:56):
it's Pearl Harbor. I mean, you you there. There were
people who say, well, the United States was expanding and
Japan felt that the US had expanded into the Pacific Ocean,
which was their area of responsibility. You could come up
with all, you know, you know, whatever, you come up
with anything, but you know, we were attacked by Pearl Harbor.
(16:18):
What do we what were we suppose by the Japanese
of Pearl harborit what we will we supposed to do so, no, no.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Anyway, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And just one more point if I could, In my opinion,
nine to eleven is multitude worse than what happened at
Pearl Harbor. At least Pearl Harbor was a military They
attacked a military base. These are innocent people. And and
(16:48):
one more thing, you know, you hear all these people
never forget, never forget forgetting nine to eleven, and they
were about to elect a Muslim as the mayor of
New York City.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, well, I mean I just first all, I'm not
so much Bob. Bob helped me out here. I'm not
so much concerned that Mandami happens to be Muslim. I'm
concerned socialist. I'm concerned he's a socialist.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
I bet.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, again, I there's no evidence of that one, Bob.
But I think, Bob, I think we've gone longer than
than than I needed to. And I just think that
that that brings into the conversation an issue which is unfair. Okay,
they're those those Islamic terrorists. Look, those Islamic terrorists did
(17:38):
not represent people who were Muslim who were god fearing people. Okay,
come on, Bob, that's Bob. Thanks much. We'll talk soon.
Have a great night. We're done. You know, sometimes I'm
too generous with my time, and do me a fair
(18:00):
if you know, if you want to, if you want
to go off and never never land, that's fine. You're
gonna vote for Mindami. Don't vote for him or against
him because he's a Muslim. Vote for him, against him
because he's a socialist. If you want a socialist running
New York City, vote for Mindami, Okay, because he will.
He will wreck New York City. He will make the
(18:21):
stores of New York City look like the stores in Moscow. Okay,
that's the reason you vote for him or you don't.
Whether you if you're a socialist communist, vote for Mandamie.
If you believe in capitalism, you don't want to vote
for Mindami. I have no idea what Mndami's position is
on anything other than economics, and I don't really care
(18:43):
at this point. Okay, because he's disqualified from my perspective.
I know why Donald Trump is going after him. He
wants Madami to be elected because that's going to turn
normal Americans against the Democratic Party. It's gonna when he
becomes the standard bearer of the mayor of New York City.
That's going to be really a problem for the Democratic
(19:07):
Party in a lot of districts around the country. We'll
be back on Nightside right after the news. I'm too.
I'm going to stop being as kind a talk show
host as I am. That's all because I don't want
any of that that garbage conversation on Nightside. Simple as that.
We'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think I have to get tougher with some of
my callers. Okay. I try to be a nice guy.
I try to give people an opportunity to say what
they want to say, but don't pollute my program. Okay,
simple as that. Simple as that, Dave and san Antonio.
Dave you next to nights.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
I go ahead, Yeah, Dan, Well, I just like to say,
you're nine to eleven was our pearl harbroad today. It
just' was the beginning of what's happening in this country.
It hadn't stopped since nine to eleven. But things didn't
stop with nine to eleven. And you know, them guys
(20:13):
getting whatever they got had coming to them, some of them.
It's still going on. We're being invaded from the border.
We've do you know we got fifty million visas in
this country for the Democratic president's fifty million visas.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Wait a second, the border I thought has been effectively
closed by president.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
It's closed now.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's closed now, and ICE is removing people.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Correct, Uh huh, there's thirty million, they remove two million,
there's still twenty eight million.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, Rome wasn't really in a day, was it, Dave?
Speaker 6 (20:50):
No, And what that fellow said about of Muslims?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I did you know there's going to be a short conversation, Dave,
you know that.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Well, what what I'm saying is you cut him off
and he was simply talking like Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Charlie Kirk. Yeah, okay, here's the deal. Okay, First of all,
I am I understand what Charlie Kirk has said. Okay,
that was not what Charlie Kirk represented. And if you
guys want to somehow blame the everybody who happens to
be Muslim, which is what he was trying to do
(21:28):
for nine to eleven, Uh, you're dead wrong. Is that
what you're trying to say, Dave just saying.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
You got to understand him, is that what is that?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Look, Dave, don't insult my intelligence, because if you want
to insult my intelligence, don't call my program. Okay, I
understood exactly what he was saying. He was basically saying
that that we're in some sort of a religious war
with every Muslim in the world. That is not true.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
That is probably wrong. That's wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's what he was saying that.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
And he was implying, listen, listen to me, listen my story.
My little girl third grade delivered newspapers in Detroit, had
two hundred customers in the Arab neighborhood. When they found
out she was the daughter of a Jewish person. Everybody
at the mosque was down there at the distributors.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I assume you're telling me the truth, but I can't
imagine that that that actually happened. But again, it doesn't
contribute anything to my show. It doesn't contribute anything to
tonight's conversation. Your daughter was three? What year was that, Dave?
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Third grade?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What year?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
What year was that? Yet's see, she was born in
nineteen seventy eight in third grade? How old are you? Twelve?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Eleven six seven eight.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, nineteenth thirventy nine.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It was nineteen seventy nine. Okay, good enough, Yeah, thanks Dave.
I appreciate your call. Pooh man, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let me go to Laurie in Idaho.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Laurie, thank god you've heard that story before.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh yeah, like he loves loves to tell that story.
I have no idea if that story is true. I
can't imagine is true, but I'm sure he believes it,
just like that other guy you know once that you know,
he the other guy was was all in on. It
wasn't the planes. No, No, it wasn't the planes. There
(23:28):
were bombs, the dynamite. Yeah, we dealt with that that
garbage fifteen years ago. It smelled then, and it smells.
It smells worse.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You just have to be more polite than I, which
I won't even bother to address it anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, No, I I think I I think I need
to start being impolite to be really honest with you.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think that just hit that plank button.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, yeah, that's well, I rely on Rob for the
plank button. So I don't blame your kid. I don't well,
you know I would hope that at this point Rob's
sense is is adequate to know when I really you know,
I hate to.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Give it, so I would wait on advisement.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, maybe I'll have a secret password with Rob. We
can make it aqua for water, aqua from what Rob? Yeah,
don't put glory in the water, that's for sure. Yeah,
I'm sure. So Okay, here's my question. Uh, you're in Idaho.
(24:37):
That's a lot closer to Utah than than we are.
You know, the terrain in that part of the country
pretty clear that someone is going to know who this
guy is. Have you seen the pictures today? Have you
seen the video?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I saw the ones that looked like he's walking into
a hallway and the stairwell and he's, of all things,
there's an American flag on his damn shirt. Go figure.
Yeah right, I think he's wearing a backpack.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He was wearing a backpack, and there's a couple of
shots where it looks he might have a bulletproof vest on.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I think that's the backpack though. I think those draft
of the backpack.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, either way, he was limping. It looked like he
was limping, so it looked like he had the gun
I don't know how long that rifle was, but it
looked as if he had that maybe uh stuffed up
his leg his right legs. Yeah, limping, but he wasn't
limping when he escaped. He came down off the building, jump.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
To the ground, and his pants were his pants were
weird too when he was when they show those pictures
and so and that that kind of rifle doesn't always
break down, so you're not going to put it in
a backpack. But yeah, so I well, first of all,
I just want to say I think the nine to
eleven curriculum should be at least some part of it
all over the United States. And they need the kids
need the visuals of you know, what our twin towers
(25:51):
were and what happened to them, and then to the people.
I mean, there's a whole bunch of stuff there that
needs to be incorporated, and I think it should be everywhere,
not just well, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just talking about Massachusetts because we're a bosson you know.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Obviously, where the whole country isn't.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And I agree with you on that, So I'll take
the hit on that because we should be we should
be talking kidding you.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I'm just I'm just I mean they're what you know,
fifty minus fourteen by those states that haven't bothered to
do it and history that needs.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To be And the other thing too, is that I
had the list. Where is the list here that I had?
I don't think Idaho was on that list.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
No, it's not Idaho. If it were on the list,
would actually know where New England is, along with probably
Wyoming probably, well, I.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Don't think Wyoming was. There are a lot of southern
states now nothing.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I don't think anything west of the Mississippi is on
the list. Texas, Texas, Nebraska was.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
They'd see Nebraska was. Yeah, Nebraska was on And I'm
trying to find the list of the states because I
think I think you're right. Let meet just real quickly.
Here states that teach nine to eleven. Maybe this was
I can pull it up real quickly here so we
can read it for our audience. New York was on
the list. Okay, here's the group. You have New York
(27:18):
and Texas. So New York big blue state, Texas, big
red state. You got Nebraska, republican state, Illinois, big democratic state, Indiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama.
So that's about four states in the South. Add Georgia
and South Carolina. That's six states in the South. Then
you got West Virginia and Virginia in Maryland a blue state.
(27:41):
So other than Nebraska and Texas and Oklahoma, nothing else
is west of the Mississippi. It's like it didn't no, And.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I think I think it's more because it's an East
East Coast thing versus red or blue.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
It's just East coast.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I mean the people people out here, I mean no
more than New England sometimes doesn't know where Wyoming is,
or where Minnesota is, or where Montana, r Iino is.
People in the west out here unless they've had really
good education and like you know, the states and geography,
they they don't know anything on the west and the
East coast. So yeah, I understand that if everybody has curriculums,
(28:16):
O where the East coast is.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
No, But when Pearl Harbor was was bombed, we took
notice of it here in New England.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah bye, Well, but it wasn't such a crazy news
situation either. It's everybody's become a bit myopic depending on Yeah,
unfortunately unfortunately, So my question, how bunch of warplanes moving
in and bombing that's yeah, who wouldn't take notice.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well, but do you know that there were more people
killed in nine to eleven than in Pearl Harbor?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean it was close close.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, a couple of thousand in Pearl Harbor. I believe
it's the number in thirty twenty nine hundred plus.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, and neither of them are good.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
It's it was.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
It was a horrible, horrible day and a horrible horrible thing.
And I had never made the connection between the groundbreaking
of the Pentagon and then the hover many years later
for nine to eleven. Did somebody really look at that
and target that or did they just get lucky?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I think they got lucky because I had never heard
that even in every other someone must have done it.
Now again, I guess you can sometimes characterize what actually
involves the groundbreaking, but that's true. It was nine to eleven,
nineteen forty one, which was what three months prior to
(29:35):
Pearl Harbor too, But that was hit with that airplane
sixty years to the day, and someone did someone did
their research, and it was it was you know, I
could just imagine Ronald Reagan delivering that speech.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, that would have been nice. He was he was
quite the orator, yes he was.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
And the Democrats on good words today, but no, he
said good He says.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Good words, but he's but obviously those words often are
written for him. But he doesn't have that either, the
oratorical skills that on Obama, Clinton or Reagan.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Head And that's George w to a certain extent and
had them a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
He added the one when when when he said when
they couldn't hear him speaking on the pile and uh uh,
he said that they'll hear me soon, and you know
they'll hear from all of us soon.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But I think one of his speeches of the nation
right after wasn't horrible. Yeah, you could tell he went
to church. People who go to church or good orators.
It's weird that way, but they they've grown up learning
how to speak that way. So anyway, but I'm I'm
so glad they found this information. This guy he looks
like a heroin at frankly.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But yeah, you wonder what's going on in his head
and why he would pick uh, this this guy Charlie
kirk uh. Now you know he was a quote unquote influencer.
It's obviously had tremendous impact.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
But affecting the youth, which is so hard to do.
And look what he did. I mean, I don't care
which side it's for. If you can you can get
some of these kids to pay attention what's going on
in the world and maybe be interested in their world,
their country, anything that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, well, I mean, we'll find out. Last night I
was of the I'm still not unconvinced that this wasn't
planned out more than we thought for him to be
able to get away. And he's been gone now for
what thirty six hours or whatever it.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Is, Well, not still be alive, but well, probably I'll
find out what the heck happened.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But I hope that they do find I hope that
they do take him alive. And I was just kid
with you about geography. Maybe he's somewhere up in the
Idaho area. Maybe he's up.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
We don't go there.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
We've had enough of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You have had. Yes, you have a guy that yeah,
oh absolute, And they haven't found him. This is where
we're referring to a uh. I didn't want to say
as a man, because he wasn't He killed his three daughters,
his three daughters. They haven't found him. Yet either. All right, Lauria,
I'll let you go talk to you soon. All right, thanks, Laurie.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Hev a great, good show.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
It was, it was.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
It was a good, good honor to the day.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
And thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Thank you man, my pleasure. Thanks appreciate it. We'll take
quick break here, come back on nightside. Got a couple
of lines if you want six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six one seven ninety Coming back on night side.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
All right, back we go. Who's up next? Yeah, I'm
going to go to Tom in Dorchester. Tom next on nisider, Right.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Ahead, Thank you, I'll bet well Regge, I mean here
a great spiagure and the Wizard of Us was a
great reader. Obama, Well, I didn't hear his speech today,
but I love that word lunatic that uh Donald Trump uses.
And I was I just want to say, I was
(33:05):
listening to the show the other night. I heard see
it or a call enough said.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, you know you certainly strung some thoughts together there, Tom.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
I mean, I don't want to spot any of your callers, but.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, they don't mention the other callers call up and
make your points. I don't want someone to persmirt you either,
U Tom. I asked people to respect everybody. I had
Theodore on the other night from Baltimore. He his points
of view are different than yours, and mind Tom, and
it doesn't make it. You know, he has a right
(33:43):
to his opinions in America. That's what makes the country great.
That's what what what Charlie kirk Kirk was doing. He
was engaging people in conversations. He was driving a lot
of people crazy because he was a very good or
he was a very good debater. When I had people
(34:04):
calling in and making statements that are patently false that
whether it's about a religion or whether it's about what
took a building down, do you have any doubt as
to what caused the collapse of the twin Towers in
uh twenty four years ago today? No, not really.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
It was those planes.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I believe well, I convinced those I've never seen a
building hit by two or buildings hit by two airplanes.
I've seen the explosions. I don't want to even waste
my time. I asked you that question hoping that you
were going to say to me, Dan, of course I
know what it was. So anyway, nonetheless, thanks for the call,
(34:44):
appreciate it, Thank you, Yanks to good night. Let me
try Eddie one more time. Eddie would give you one
more shot.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
Here, go ahead, No, sorry about that. The dog knocked
the phone off my hands.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well that happens, you know, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
Yeah, well yeah, I've been listening for a couple of years.
Definitely enjoy your show of every educational you know, obviously
the Charlie characters. Man, this country has gone so backwards,
is you know. I mean I'm Puerto Rican, raised in Jamaica,
Plane and my family's been Democratic, but the more since
nineteen ninety five, I became much open minded and I
(35:22):
tend to vote for who I believe in. I don't
vote for the party. I so so going for like
nine to eleven. Great that they teach you to school,
but the only thing that always comes to mind every
year is that how far do you teach it right?
Because if you remember, there were clips out there of
(35:43):
so many different countries celebrating the hatreds towards us.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I don't think you have to go there in
terms of teaching, and I think that's just I think,
like anything else, when you and I learned about I
don't know, you know, World War II two, they teach that,
you know, maybe in two or three class sessions or whatever,
and then and then people can go and they can
(36:10):
do their own research on it. There were a lot
of countries around the world that supported us frankly at
that time. You know, there are bad there are bad
leaders around the world. We've dealt with them over time,
and we're generally prevailed, you know. And as I say,
there are countries out there. We don't have to turn
(36:33):
it into you know, we don't need to politicize it.
I think the facts stand for pretty clearly for themselves, Eddie.
To be honest with you, is this your first time
calling the show, Eddie?
Speaker 9 (36:45):
Oh no, my third time.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well, thank you, thank you, and please please come back
more often. And I'm like you, I vote for the individual,
not for the party.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Yeah, exactly. And sometimes I don't even vote at all
because I just can't agree.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I think you should all vote.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I think it's that is true.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
That is all right, so real quick is like, you know,
I just don't want to teach our kids, hey, towards
other countries.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Exactly exactly, because you give the look. There was a
point when Germany was run by Adolph Hitler. Now Germany
is one of our greatest allies. Japan attacked us in
Pearl Harbor. Japan is a great ally, you know.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
It's it's how we I guess how they teach it
and how they educate us.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I'm with you, and and it should be. It should
be monitored. There's no doubt about that. But let's just
deal with the facts. Who what, when, we're why? I
think that's all we got to do. Thanks, talked to you.
Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you so much.
We're gonna go next to Christine and debt aim High Christine, Welcome.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
How are you?
Speaker 7 (37:57):
I'm sorry I haven't calllled you.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I've been I just weather that's okay.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I hope you're on the road to recovery. Thanks for
checking in. We're getting a little tight on time. What's
what's your what's your thought tonight?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
I thought you did a great job tonight.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
You're so right on everything you'll be saying.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You just you really, you know, well, I don't know
if I'm if I'm correct on everything I say what
I try to do is at least back it up
with some some facts. And so many people have this
these these crazy ideas, and I just don't want people
using my show to dump crazy ideas. That's all. I mean.
(38:34):
I'll talk about any idea. But you know, this whole
stuff about world It wasn't the planes that took the
World Trade Center down?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Really, right?
Speaker 7 (38:49):
I learned, you know, I was want to do Facebook
and everything. Now they're saying the government is hiding that
there was a fifth plane that hit the World Trade
I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Oh no, no, no, absolutely not a fifth plan. You
said a fifth plan? Yeah no, I you know there's
a lot of crap on Facebook, Okay, and yeah, so
please that's you know, everything you read is not necessarily true.
(39:20):
Thanks Christine. We are flat on time, so I got
to let you run. We'll talk to you mine next time.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
I want a world of peace. I'm so tired of
all the hate.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm with you on that totally, and I think everybody's
with you. Thanks Christine. We're done for the night. Rob
great job, Thank you very much, And I want to
thank Karen Bussemi who helped put together tonight's show. I
want to thank most of the callers tonight's. You can
always bring your arguments. Bring the arguments, but be prepared
to defend them. We are done for the night. Old dogs,
(39:51):
all cats, Oh pets go to heaven. That's why Peal
Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago in Febuly. That's
why your pets are past. They love you, You love them.
I do believe you'll see them again. And have a
great Friday, everybody. It's almost TG. I have Friday.
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Charlie is America's hardest working grassroots activist who has your inside scoop on the biggest news of the day and what's really going on behind the headlines. The founder of Turning Point USA and one of social media's most engaged personalities, Charlie is on the front lines of America’s culture war, mobilizing hundreds of thousands of students on over 3,500 college and high school campuses across the country, bringing you your daily dose of clarity in a sea of chaos all from his signature no-holds-barred, unapologetically conservative, freedom-loving point of view. You can also watch Charlie Kirk on Salem News Channel