September 15, 2025 • 41 mins
In the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder last week, the fallout has the country very publicly and politically divided, arguably even more so than we already were. To pay respects to Charlie, President Trump ordered all flags across the nation, at military posts, and at embassies to remain flown at half-staff until Sept. 14th. In Lexington, MA, police are investigating alleged vandalism after someone raised the flag at the Battle Green back to full staff on Saturday by cutting the flag's rope and adding more rope to hoist it back to the top of the pole. The Battle Green is a national historical landmark and one of the only places in the United States where Congress authorizes the American flag to fly 24 hours a day. Dan addressed the divisive nature our country is in right now and asked the question, whether there is anything we can do to meet in the middle.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice with Dan Ray, I'm telling you Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah. But thanks to my guest last hour, doctor Darryl Davis,
a graduate of Howard University, has a Bachelor of Music
degree also as a professional musician. Quite an interesting background
for this gentleman. And again, the book is called The
Klan Whisper and it is available. Just got to go
to Amazon, and I think you'll like to You'll enjoy
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the He's a great storyteller and also a great writer
as well. So what I'd like to do is I
want to go back to a nine o'clock hour because
I do think that that's that's an issue that that
people need to talk about. And we are at a
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i think your real inflection point in this country. The murder,
the assassination of this conservative political activist, Charlie Clark, Charlie Kirk.
Excuse me strike that Charlie Kirk. Horrific event. Horrific event. Again,
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President Trump, in to her credit, the governor of Massachusetts
mar Healy ordered the flags to be low to be
lowered at half staff through the weekend in honor of
Charlie Kirk. His his wife has made just a heart
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wrenching comment Erica kirk uh They have two little kids,
a boy and a girl, who now have no no
dad two to help bring them up, all because of
differences of political opinion. We live in a democracy, and
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I think I quoted Bernie Sanders and and he disagrees
with Charlie Kirk I'm sure on just about every issue,
but he was pretty eloquent in his denunciation of violence.
So my question to you and I did talk a
little bit about this on Friday night. I don't know
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if anybody tried to do what I suggested, but we
have situations within our families, within our circle of friends
where friendships have ended over politics, if you support someone
or you don't support that person. We've been through this
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many times, but it just seems that there's no breakthrough
moment here. And I'm looking for a breakthrough moment where
I promise you that this program as for the last
eighteen years, we have tried to run a show in
which all points of view were welcome and well people
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could disagree reasonably. And I try to protect my guests.
I try to protect my callers, meaning if you're the
first call of the hour, don't want someone taking a
shot at you. Later on. I just think that we
as a country, we have a very great gift here
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as this great democracy, but it could be in jeopardy.
I mean, this has to stop. Violence under no circumstances
should be allowed within our political discourse. It just is
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not part of the discourse. It's as simple as that.
So I'm hoping that some of you might have a
solution for this. There are people out there who are
who are mentally ill. Okay, there are people in this
country who are fit, sickly ill, and there are people
who were mentally ill. And people who were mentally ill
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can be influenced pretty easily. They can. They can be,
in effect a call to action, someone to action. I
suspect that the only defense that this twenty two year
old a man, Tyler Robinson, who committed this act of
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pure cowardice, pure cowardice to take another person's life based
upon I guess some disagreements. There have been some people
who have emerged from this. I want to play and
I mean this, you know, from the bottom of my heart.
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I want to play a little bit of what Charlie
Kirk's wife said, because there was a political aspect to
Charlie Kirk there was also a pretty deep religious aspect
to him. And I just want to play play this
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one SoundBite if you haven't heard it. This is a
widow now in great pain. Her name is Erica Kirk.
Cut number six. Please rob cut number six.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea
what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached
a message of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love.
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They should all know this. If you thought that my
husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You
have no idea what you just have unleashed across this
entire country, in this world. You have no idea. You
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have no idea the fire that you have ignited within
this wife, The cries of this widow will echo around
the world like a battle cry.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Uh. It's a pretty powerful statement that you made. Now,
what has to happen in my opinion here, and I
have been a political reporter for a long time. I
have met most of the major political figures in this country.
I have met a lot of people who worked, you know,
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and who fervently believed in political campaigns and political candidates.
And there's nothing wrong with believing in political candidates, political campaigns.
Nothing wrong with believing in issues. Whatever point of view
you have, Okay, I might disagree with it, but you
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have a right to have that point of view. I
will truly believe that we are all the creation of
our own experience. But the one thing you don't have
is the right to engage in violence. There's no no
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free card in the constitution for violence. You know, We're
supposed to be a neighborhood, a country of competing ideas.
This is what a democracy is supposed to be all about.
And believe me, there have been presidents that I have
voted for in presidents I haven't voted for. And if
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anyone in this country was truthful, and I hope you are,
there's nobody in this country who can tell me that
they voted for whoever was elected president every time. Okay,
It's as simple as that. Because the Republicans don't always
win and the Democrats don't always win. And if we
get to a point where there is retaliation, it's only
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going to get worse. Uh, And it's gonna it's going
to deepen the division. We have to start to heal, Okay,
we have to start to heal. And I know that
there's a president right now who a lot of people
don't like. I get it, I get it. There are
things about his positions that I agree with and things
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about his positions that I disagree with. But whether you
are the biggest Trump loyalist or the biggest Trump critic,
he is for now your president, just as Joe Biden
was my president from twenty twenty one January twentieth, or
twenty twenty one to January twenty and twenty twenty five.
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And we got to put ourselves in that mindset. So
my question is, are you ready to find someone within
your circle of friends or former friends with whom friends
with whom you disagree, or maybe even someone within your
family and reach out attempt to say, look, it has
to end with us, because there are people out there
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troubled souls. This kid, Tyler Robinson. The lawyers won't plead him, no,
there's nothing left to plead. In my opinion, they won't
be able to. They won't take the death penalty off
the table. They're going to have a mental competency defense
and insanity defense. They're going to say that he did
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not know the difference between right and wrong, and that
is going to be their defense in Utah. I'm not
a lawyer in Utah. There's nothing to deal. Here's the number.
I'm hoping that people of goodwill, Democrats and Republicans can
bring themselves to join this conversation and maybe set a
small example. And if we can really get this going
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here on night side, why not. You don't have to
like your political opponents, but you need to respect their
point of view, and you need to understand that we're
all different, even people on the same side of the
political divide as you. We're all different. And if we
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don't get along better, and if we don't stop this madness,
we're going to lose something very precious, and that is
the country that all of us have grown up in
and hopefully hopefully recognize that of all the countries in
the world, of all the countries in the world, this
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is still the best that is available, whoever is president
and whoever controls Congress, because there's always another election two
years away, or for another presidential election four years away
or less. And you can you can continue, you can
continue to express yourself. You have talk shows like mine
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and talk shows like others. A lot of countries around
the world. This doesn't exist. I hope we can set
an example here on Nightside. There were a couple of
calls in the nine o'clock hour that set an example,
and a couple of calls that didn't. I'm appealing to
your better angels tonight six one, seven, two, five, four
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ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty
and I want to hear from people on both sides
of the divide. You can define yourself and you can
tell me what you were willing to do to reach
across and reach over the divide. Join the conversation. We're
big right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, let's see what people have to say. The only
lines open right now. Six one. You gotta pull out
of this people. Let's go to Bill in Pennsylvania. Hey, Bill,
welcome first this hour on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Hey, thanks Dan. I think there's a solution, and I
think part of the solution is going to have to be,
uh put some of these people both sides, Okay, behind
bars for some of the stunts that they're doing for uh,
you know, say, mandatory five years of mandatory ten years.
I just I was just watching it. What I do
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in the morning, Dan, I get up, I put on
my television. I can put on four different shows. So
I got Fox on, I got CNN, I got MS MBC,
and I got BBC. Then I turn then I turned
the sound down. I puk play some music and I
just watch it and I'll see something that's interesting, so
I'll go to it. I just saw a look like
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a young guy right now. I've never seen this before
in my life in America, where a tragedy happens and
they set up a makeshift memorial and everybody.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Bring exactly what you're going to talk about, Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, everybody brings Teddy Bears and if it's you know,
a young person, and flowers and mementos. And so they
did this in Phoenix for the last few days for
this Charlie Kirk, Kirk, gentlemen, Charlie Kirk. Anyway, I didn't
know him too well. I knew, I knew. I didn't
think I think that the people are saying he was
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that influential, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He was influential with young people. He was influential on
college campuses, believe me.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
And he's in the college.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And Donald Trump got like forty eight percent of the
youth vote in most polls, which was much better than
he had ever done before. So that's why he was
a big fan of Charlie. Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, I know he helped Trump get over the over
the get the electoral But anyway, so I'm watching it
no sound at all, and I look up. I see
this memorial and it's in Phoenix. I guess that's the
headquarters for kirk so outfit there yep. And Uh, all
of a sudden, this guy runs in to to the
to the memorial, to this makeshift memorial. He just starts
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running through all the flowers and everything and just kicking
everything over. I've never seen that before in the history
of watching television. The guy grabbed him and threw him down.
I guess he was arrested. Yes, he is what we're
dealing with, all.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Right, And you gotta look at you gotta look at
that now on him. I'm willing to put him away
for a while. I have no idea what his background is,
but I'm willing to say now, if there's some guy
who lost it, I'll hit him with with some some
form of you know, community service, I mean significant community service.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Dan, this problem, okay, if you take anybody okay, I
live in I live in the country out here, you know,
in Pennsylvania, And if you take anybody around here it
abuses animals. Okay, Okay, we're tired of it. Okay, you
abuse an animal?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Uh, that would be a mandatory sentence. Now this is
the case where people would abuse animals. Okay. A lot
of them will go on to abusing people. And this
guy right here that runs that mindset right there. Okay,
Now he'll.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Take up with you, Bill build Bill, Bill, what what
what sort of a sentence you think would be proper?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I'd give them five years.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, I think. And again maybe this is the lawyer
in me. Bill, I'd want to know you always before
you sent in someone, you want to know a little
bit more about them. I think what he did was disgraceful. Disgraceful, Okay,
I kind find any stronger words. But I'd like to
know his age. I would you know, he did not
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hurt another human being, but what he did was disgraceful.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And but he was but Dan, he was obviously Dan.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I've agree with you. Bill, I'm agreeing with you. All
I'm just saying is I want to know a little
bit more about him. So let's see what others have
to say.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Okay, well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Listen, this
guy that does this, Okay, he was obviously a guy
that condones the assassination of Kirk. Okay, he didn't do
that unless he unless he condones that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Bill, I'm not interested in arguing with you. Okay. I
gave you the opportunity to present your case. You I'm
not going to change your mind. Uh, And you're not
going to change my mind. And if this kid is
somebody who had been in trouble before, yeah, you're talking
about this. This can justify some prison time. If if
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it's the first stupid thing this kid ever did, you
may be able to put them on probation for three
years and hit him with significant amount of community service.
That's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
No, No, I'm not arguing with you, Dan, but one
other things.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, you know what, Bill, We've gone five minutes and
I'm I'm I'm going to be a little more. The
leash is going to get a little shorter in the
show so you've made your points, the good points. I
appreciate your call and I look forward to your next call,
but for now, I got to move on. Thank you, sir,
thank you, good night. Good night Christian and Peebty. Go ahead, Christian,
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get you in here before the newscast.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah, be eating Dan, I'll be briefing short.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
But we have people out there who have.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
An unstable moment or whatever it might be, right, and
we have the wealth of information pouring through the Internet
that it will attract them and escalate it. So that's
where we don't have the luxury of shutting that down.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
But what we do have is I to have a
voice when we say listen. The beauty of this country
and its foundation is that diversity. The fact that you
can have your opinion. I don't have my opinion, and
we can discuss things across that bridge and without having
to sync to that level. Because once you sum to
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that level, no matter how much you.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Believe in this country, you have become the enemy to
what you're trying to protect.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And you need to.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Recognize that you're out there listening. Please check yourself if
you don't know how, because you can't see it. I
hope your friends or associates do. And that's what happens
when you reach across the audle of people. You know,
when you circle in those conversations you have which I
have with my circle, everybody is civil. We can get
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passionate and we can get pointed, but we stay respectful.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
And there's never a violence. It's a growth through knowledge
and intelligence.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And by the way, when you talk about diversity, the
type of diversity that they need most on college campuses
right now is diversity of opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And they have to welcome viewpoints to be discussed.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
That's what That's what this kid took away, yep.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And that's what must be restored, even stronger than it existed.
I have no idea how many colleges and universities Charlie
Kirk visited. But you have to now say that campuses
will be open and you want to have a protest.
You want to have a protest because some speakers coming
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on to your campus that you're uncomfortable with. We're going
to have exactly what the Democratic Party did here in
Boston in two thousand and four. There will be a
zone where people can protest. You can scream, and you
can yell, but you cannot prevent. You do not have
the right to prevent and someone from coming on to
campus to express the point of view that you that
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you disagree with.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
But they also need to call him down that screaming
and yelling, because if you're screaming and yelling, you're not using.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh yeah, oh absolutely So. If if you're in an
auditorium and you want to have a protest for you know,
five minutes before the speaker comes out on stage, that's fine.
And if you can't control yourself and you try to
exercise you want to veto the speaker's rights, you want
to deny him or her First Amendment rights, you will
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be escorted. You're escorted out of the ballroom or the
electure hall. Simple as that.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
I mean, you may get good.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Thank you for allowing me to speak.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, Christin, you always welcome here, you know that. Thank
you so much, appreciate your call.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
All right, the only line is open right now, there's
two at six one seven two five four ten thirty
six one seven two five four ten thirty. We need
now some specific ideas also, and I want some of
you to commit to reaching out to some friend maybe
you've lost friends. I mean, this goes back to the
Trump Hillary campaign. I don't remember in either the McCain
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Obama campaign or the McCain or the Romney Obama campaign
this sort of anger. And I think it was ignited,
and I don't care who was ignited by, but I
think it was united in twenty sixteen, and it only
got worse in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and
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arguably it culminated with the death, the murder, the assassination
of one individual, Charlie Kirk. Let's keep it rolling. We're
going to have this conversation tonight, and I don't care
what side of the al you're on. I'd love to
know if you agree or disagree. We'll be right back
on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
All right, back to the phone as we go, We're
gonna go next to We're gonna go to Maryland and
Ross and Dale, Maryland. You are next on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Welcome, Hi, Dan, How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'm doing just great, Maryland. What's your thoughts on this
whole situation we find ourselves in.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
I'm gonna start with saying that I voted for Donald Trump,
and but right now, I'm extremely disturbed about this country,
as you know, is so divided right now, and we
desperately are in need of a leader who will try
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to bring this country together. And a lot of Republican leaders,
and you know, politicians and Democratic politicians have said the
right thing after the Shelley Kirk murder that you know,
no matter how you feel, you know, we need to
we need to come together and unify and so forth.
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And Donald Trump has said exactly the opposite. And we
need him to be a leader right now that unifies
this country, and he is just not stepping up to
the plate like he should. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I tend to agree with it. I'm hoping that apparently
there's this big event scheduled for next Sunday in Arizona,
memorial service for Charlie Kirk, and the President will attend that.
I would like him to basically tone it down. And
I think his responsibility. It's easy for him to criticize
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accessors on the left, which is fine, but he needs
to make sure that people his supporters don't turn around
and try to retaliate here. And I think that he
needs to speak to the nation, and I mean he
himself came within a few inches of perhaps an assassin's bullet.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
So he he's saying, he's saying that all of the terrorism,
you know, this kind of stuff is all coming from Democrats.
And of course we know about the people, the politicians
and Michigan who are killed in the attack on Governor
Sapiro's house, and Donald Trump doesn't you know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah right, I mean, look the Shapiro case. I think
that was a nut truly in that job. I think
that the group that tried to abduct the governor of
Michigan was a political potential abduction. So I think you
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could you could find situations on both sides. But I
think if we start to try to count it like
a baseball game, uh, it's a huge mistake. And I
think I think your point. I agree with you. He
is the president of the United States, and there may
be a lot of people who don't want to recognize
him as president of the United States. And one of
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the ways perhaps that he could could could strengthen his
position as president because we only have one president at
the time. He's the president for everybody, just like Joe
Biden was the president Joe Biden was president for everybody.
He's president for everybody. I think he should take an
opportunity on Sunday or before and say, look, we got
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to turn the temperature down in this country because if
we don't. And again, how about disagreeing with you? You
asked me, what do you think? What you what I
think he should do. I think he has a responsibility
to be a leader.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Absolutely right now, he's being the president for his face.
He's not being the president for uh.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Agree with I'm totally agreeing with you, and I'm saying
that he should. He should set a tone.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
If he's able to go to Alaska and talk with
Vladimir Putin, he should be able to talk to the
American people, those who agree and disagree, and say, look,
we all need to put this rhetoric aside.
Speaker 9 (26:11):
He's sadly he's not up for the job, and I
wish you were.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, you regret your vote for him, and you can't
take it back. But but I think you've made your
your position felt. And I hope, for the sake of
the country, not for his sake, that he follows your
advice to be honest with you.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
I don't know if you will, but I wish you were.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
All right, thank you very much. Thanks Marylyn, appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Good night, good night.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Let me go next to Carol in Randolph. Carol, you're
next on night side. Welcome.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Hi Dan, nice to nice stuck to you. And I
agree with everything you've been saying. And I mean since Wednesday,
I've been heartbroken and angry. Yeah, but I had to
get past that because I have it's that are on
the other side. I voted with Trump. They're they're liberals,
they're on the other side. But I try to talk
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to them and we have to come to a common ground.
And I think too much venom has then put towards Trump,
And I'm like, I talked to my kids. I'm like,
get past that, look at the issues. Just let's talk
about the issues instead.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well that's what people should be talking about. And I
think that President Trump needs to mean up and he
has to rise to the occasion. Now I'm sure he
could sit there and say they tried to destroy my family,
they put me on trial, they impeach me, all of
the old, you know, complaints that he has and there
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may be some justification. Do I think that that that
everything that happened to him has been justified. No, absolutely not. No.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
I completely agree he's.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Got to get past that. He's got to get.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
Past past that. And I also think he is right
in one respect. We need to find out who are
the people funding these radicals on the other side.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, again, that's what he has Lauren Fossman for.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I mean, we talked a couple of weeks ago about
I want to know more about Thomas Crooks. Most people
don't know who Thomas Crooks is, but he's the kid
who came within, you know, a couple of inches of
killing candidate Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Someone did suggest it
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was a New York Times article that I read, which
was a good interesting profile of this kid. But it's like,
I just don't believe that some kid went from meek
high school student, college student to a presidential assassin. It
just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
It also doesn't make.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Sense to me that this twenty two year old kid
in Utah was able to do what he was able
to do. He told I guess other people of his
sustain for Charlie Kirk. Kirk didn't have souls, didn't have
secret service or anything.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Like that, but right, I mean, our normal children in colleges.
They're entitled to their opinions, They're entitled to believe whatever
they want. But if there are outside influences funding them
through this on websites and all of this encouraging this,
that is what needs to be rooted out. And that
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is what I hope we do. On both sides, I
mean the radical side on the on the far right side,
that is a crisis too. Oh sure, I mean it's
both sides, but we got to get to common ground
and find out who is influencing our children to become
radicals like this.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, the other thing that we have seen, sadly a
bunch of teachers who expressed some pretty repulsive instincts after
the murder of Charl Kirk. Now, some schools have moved
against those teachers and have said, I mean, I just
it's beyond me. I cannot imagine that if any politician
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who I disagreed with was assassinated, I would be felt
I would feel such such vitriol to that person that
I would want to post something publicly as these teachers did.
I mean, they have disqualified themselves, in my opinion, to
ever be back in the classroom because they are helping
mold young.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
Minds, well even their opinions. How stupid are you?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well that's the other side, that's the other issue too.
But I'd rather than be stupid. I'd rather than be
stupid and expose themselves then then be then be slick
and uh and you know, just yeah, No, I'm with
you totally. I appreciate you call, Carol, and best of
luck with your kids. I can understand what you're saying.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
No, stick to the issues, be rational and have a
decent conversation off your family or your kids. Rational.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We've done that now for several years. I mean, you know,
Thanksgiving dinners and stuff, and I go to a Thanksgiving
dinner with a lot of people. It's fairly large with
different points of view, and most people we talk. We
don't talk politics. But maybe it's time to talk some
politics and say, hey, I disagree with you, but you're
still whatever the relationship and I love you. Maybe that's
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what we have to take people.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
Take the temperature down and don't personalize it all.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Right, Thanks, Thanks Carol, I got a schooed here, but
thank you so much. Please be more frequent as a
caller in this program. I need you. You are a
voice too. Thanks Carol'll talk to me, Thane, Great night,
good night. We're going to keep rolling here. Six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty. One line there and six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. We got three callers.
I guarantee Joe, Mary and Michael you're going to be
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in that. You are going to be on the air.
Stay right there, and we have a couple of old lines.
We can get you a couple more in as well.
Back on nights out.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
After this night's side with Dan Ray, I'm telling you
Basy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
One of our listeners, one of our callers dropped off.
Let's fill it up six one seven, two, five four
to ten thirty. Six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We've had a great shouldern night. Let's finish strong Joe
and Lynn. Joe your next time nights, I go right ahead.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
Thanks Stan for taking my call. Yeah, this whole thing
is a disgrace, and I do agree with the girl.
I'm disappointed in Trump, even though I voted for him.
He should make a speech to the American people and
do what I agree with him and tell them to
turn down the temperature. Now the other person, who what
sentence would I give that guy that destroyed the memorial?
I would get psychiatric evaluation in a year in jail
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and then maybe some community service.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, well again, I think what you got to do?
And my problem, Bill was stuck on five years in
jail and certainly disgraceful what this guy did, There's no question,
but you have to understand. Look, I'm an officer at court,
him a lawyer. You have to understand who is this person,
how old is he? What was his motivation?
Speaker 10 (33:24):
We like Thomas Crooks and they swiped that under the rug,
and that's not good. All this stuff needs to come out.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Well, there was one article in the New York Times
which a caller recommended to me, which I appreciated, which
is a fairly deep dive, but it didn't give me
any answers. It basically said, this kid's an enigma. Well,
I don't think kids who are twenty years old wake
up one morning and say I'm going to go shoot
the president of the United States. There was I would
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want to know. I would want to make sure that
all of his computers and cell phones were wiped totally clean,
and that if there was anyone else in contact same
way with this kid. If this kid literally got up
on Wednesday morning and decided to drive to the campus,
minderstanding is he went to the campus now a couple
of days earlier, he scouted it around. Okay, as long
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as he did that alone. But if he told other
people and they did anything to help him out, they
need to be dragged into this as well.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
Because I agree with you because Discord sent an email
and I got it from the Blaze, whether you like
him or not, and he started going downhill a few
months ago, getting radicalized. And we have to get these
people out of college who teach radicalism. Their job is
to teach the students to learn and to think, not
just to in doctor anything.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
But you can have different points, you can have different
points of view, but you can't have professors. You can't
have professors who abuse their privilege and use their position
to force students to regurgitate points of view. You can't
have that. You and you can have You could have
(35:03):
a You can be a liberal student who gets a
conservative professor and guess what that professor could turn up
be the best most challenging professor of your college career
and converse could be true, but.
Speaker 10 (35:16):
That's what one of the things. And then I'll let
you go. I don't think you should teach Marxism or
teach that. You could teach what it's about to put
professors that do this. I have to agree with you.
We agree on some things and disagree on others, and
this stuff shouldn't be taught and taught to radicalize. This
kid was going down here. I don't know whether you
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read that article, but he started against family. Noticed he
was a strange from.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I read a lot about the day. I read a
lot about this guy, and clearly something happened, something occurred.
And by the way, on your point of view about Marxism,
Marxism is the is the greatest political failure in the
history of the world. There were more people who have
been subjected to poverty and discrimination under the marx On
(36:02):
the Marxist system then under under capitalism. We have to
have professors who understand that our system is the freest
system in the world. People can live here and they
can they can just waste their lives. Uh, you live
in you live in a Marxist dictatorship. You're gonna waste
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your life. You may end up anywhere from you know.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
So, I think sometimes we're too free, but that's another
subject for another time.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I don't think we could be too free, Joe, I
really don't. Well.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
The reason I say that is because there's homelessness and
this and that and and there doesn't really need to
be I feel well.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Look, people make a choice, People decide to be successful
or whatever. Sometimes sometimes poverty can be a choice. Sometimes
homelessness can be a choice.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
However, however, we need to teach kids early on that
their prospects and their potential in this system is the
greatest of anywhere in the world. Simple sound all right.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
I'll let you go for that. But I enjoyed it,
and I feel bad for a Trump. I wish he
would speak up and say, this.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Is no question, no question. I got to keep rolling, Joe.
Let me go to Marion Lexington. Marry you next on nightside.
Thank you for calling in, go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (37:22):
Hi, thank you for taking my call. And I just
wanted to give you a little detail on the person
that ran through the tribute for Charlie Kirk. He's nineteen
years old, and why, in my opinion, I feel it
was more than just like a stupid act is because
he was also wearing the same black shirt that the shooter,
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alleged shooter was wearing with the American flag in the Eagle.
That took intent for me that he put a shirt
on the black T shirt and ran through this tribute,
which was horrifying to me to see that. I mean,
this poor guy, Charlie Kirk is dead. What more do
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these people want?
Speaker 10 (38:12):
He's dead.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Let me just say, you introduced an interesting fact that
I was unaware of. And if I was a judge
on that case, and clearly there's no question of what this.
It's on videotape, so I would take that a consideration
into the consideration, and that would push me maybe towards
incarceration as opposed to simply community service. I did not
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have access to that information when I was talking to Bill.
He never mentioned you.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
No, I understand that. That's why I wanted to call,
And I actually did see it with my own eyes.
It wasn't like I just heard that they had it
on TV. And you could clearly see it was a
duplicate of the same T shirt that he was wearing
when he shot child.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So that just showed it wasn't sort of some kid
who who impulsively decided to do something rightly stupid. This
was someone who dressed to imitate the shooter, and he
was doing something to make a statement that was inherently evil,
which is, not only have we killed him, but now
I'm going to disrespect the people dance on his grave
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literally literally, not just figuratively.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
Literally right, And if I felt the way I felt,
you can only imagine Charlie Kirk's family seeing that, like
I said, he gave up his life, he's dead. What
more do they want? Let it go?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Mary, thank you for the information, very helpful, very helpful,
but I'm.
Speaker 11 (39:40):
Sorry I can just add too how.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Much time you have, Rob Okay got about let's let
a minute go ahead.
Speaker 11 (39:47):
It was disrespectful to all the good people that were
there to work through the process of going to the tribute.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yep, I agree with you. It was. It was just
I believe.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
People should be accountable for their actions, and more people were,
I feel that things would be a little bit more disciplined.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I'm in total agreement with you on that, Mary, And
again I would hope that the president would speak to
the nation and doesn't have to do is speak from
the Oval Office presentation, but that you know he's he's
easily accessible to.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
A certain I agree with that theory. However, I will
say some of these people, and I think I've heard
you say it before too. Trump could cure cancer, and
it's still not going to be okay with them what
he says to what he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Understand that, But take the opportunity to appear presidential and
speak to the nation. Simple as that. In my opinion,
it's just my opinion. That's all. Hey, Mary, thank you
for your call. Please call more often. Okay, thank you.
Have a great night. Not going to do a night's
side postgame tonight for reasons that I will explain. Maybe
I'm just a little tired, and I'm going to wish
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you all a good evening. All dogs, all cats, all
pets go to heaven. That's what my pal Charlie Ray is,
who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's where all
your pets are who were passed. They loved you, and
you love them. I do believe you'll see them again.
Say it for Charlie Kirk. Whatever your point of view is,
his family will need some support, that's for sure, And
I hope the President speaks to the nation, see again
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tomorrow night. We're going to talk about sexploitation at ten
o'clock tomorrownight.
It's nice with Dan Ray, I'm telling you Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah. But thanks to my guest last hour, doctor Darryl Davis,
a graduate of Howard University, has a Bachelor of Music
degree also as a professional musician. Quite an interesting background
for this gentleman. And again, the book is called The
Klan Whisper and it is available. Just got to go
to Amazon, and I think you'll like to You'll enjoy
(00:30):
the He's a great storyteller and also a great writer
as well. So what I'd like to do is I
want to go back to a nine o'clock hour because
I do think that that's that's an issue that that
people need to talk about. And we are at a
(00:50):
i think your real inflection point in this country. The murder,
the assassination of this conservative political activist, Charlie Clark, Charlie Kirk.
Excuse me strike that Charlie Kirk. Horrific event. Horrific event. Again,
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President Trump, in to her credit, the governor of Massachusetts
mar Healy ordered the flags to be low to be
lowered at half staff through the weekend in honor of
Charlie Kirk. His his wife has made just a heart
(01:32):
wrenching comment Erica kirk uh They have two little kids,
a boy and a girl, who now have no no
dad two to help bring them up, all because of
differences of political opinion. We live in a democracy, and
(01:55):
I think I quoted Bernie Sanders and and he disagrees
with Charlie Kirk I'm sure on just about every issue,
but he was pretty eloquent in his denunciation of violence.
So my question to you and I did talk a
little bit about this on Friday night. I don't know
(02:16):
if anybody tried to do what I suggested, but we
have situations within our families, within our circle of friends
where friendships have ended over politics, if you support someone
or you don't support that person. We've been through this
(02:38):
many times, but it just seems that there's no breakthrough
moment here. And I'm looking for a breakthrough moment where
I promise you that this program as for the last
eighteen years, we have tried to run a show in
which all points of view were welcome and well people
(03:00):
could disagree reasonably. And I try to protect my guests.
I try to protect my callers, meaning if you're the
first call of the hour, don't want someone taking a
shot at you. Later on. I just think that we
as a country, we have a very great gift here
(03:21):
as this great democracy, but it could be in jeopardy.
I mean, this has to stop. Violence under no circumstances
should be allowed within our political discourse. It just is
(03:42):
not part of the discourse. It's as simple as that.
So I'm hoping that some of you might have a
solution for this. There are people out there who are
who are mentally ill. Okay, there are people in this
country who are fit, sickly ill, and there are people
who were mentally ill. And people who were mentally ill
(04:06):
can be influenced pretty easily. They can. They can be,
in effect a call to action, someone to action. I
suspect that the only defense that this twenty two year
old a man, Tyler Robinson, who committed this act of
(04:28):
pure cowardice, pure cowardice to take another person's life based
upon I guess some disagreements. There have been some people
who have emerged from this. I want to play and
I mean this, you know, from the bottom of my heart.
(04:50):
I want to play a little bit of what Charlie
Kirk's wife said, because there was a political aspect to
Charlie Kirk there was also a pretty deep religious aspect
to him. And I just want to play play this
(05:12):
one SoundBite if you haven't heard it. This is a
widow now in great pain. Her name is Erica Kirk.
Cut number six. Please rob cut number six.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea
what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached
a message of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love.
(05:49):
They should all know this. If you thought that my
husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You
have no idea what you just have unleashed across this
entire country, in this world. You have no idea. You
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have no idea the fire that you have ignited within
this wife, The cries of this widow will echo around
the world like a battle cry.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Uh. It's a pretty powerful statement that you made. Now,
what has to happen in my opinion here, and I
have been a political reporter for a long time. I
have met most of the major political figures in this country.
I have met a lot of people who worked, you know,
(06:51):
and who fervently believed in political campaigns and political candidates.
And there's nothing wrong with believing in political candidates, political campaigns.
Nothing wrong with believing in issues. Whatever point of view
you have, Okay, I might disagree with it, but you
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have a right to have that point of view. I
will truly believe that we are all the creation of
our own experience. But the one thing you don't have
is the right to engage in violence. There's no no
(07:33):
free card in the constitution for violence. You know, We're
supposed to be a neighborhood, a country of competing ideas.
This is what a democracy is supposed to be all about.
And believe me, there have been presidents that I have
voted for in presidents I haven't voted for. And if
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anyone in this country was truthful, and I hope you are,
there's nobody in this country who can tell me that
they voted for whoever was elected president every time. Okay,
It's as simple as that. Because the Republicans don't always
win and the Democrats don't always win. And if we
get to a point where there is retaliation, it's only
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going to get worse. Uh, And it's gonna it's going
to deepen the division. We have to start to heal, Okay,
we have to start to heal. And I know that
there's a president right now who a lot of people
don't like. I get it, I get it. There are
things about his positions that I agree with and things
(08:44):
about his positions that I disagree with. But whether you
are the biggest Trump loyalist or the biggest Trump critic,
he is for now your president, just as Joe Biden
was my president from twenty twenty one January twentieth, or
twenty twenty one to January twenty and twenty twenty five.
(09:06):
And we got to put ourselves in that mindset. So
my question is, are you ready to find someone within
your circle of friends or former friends with whom friends
with whom you disagree, or maybe even someone within your
family and reach out attempt to say, look, it has
to end with us, because there are people out there
(09:31):
troubled souls. This kid, Tyler Robinson. The lawyers won't plead him, no,
there's nothing left to plead. In my opinion, they won't
be able to. They won't take the death penalty off
the table. They're going to have a mental competency defense
and insanity defense. They're going to say that he did
(09:53):
not know the difference between right and wrong, and that
is going to be their defense in Utah. I'm not
a lawyer in Utah. There's nothing to deal. Here's the number.
I'm hoping that people of goodwill, Democrats and Republicans can
bring themselves to join this conversation and maybe set a
small example. And if we can really get this going
(10:14):
here on night side, why not. You don't have to
like your political opponents, but you need to respect their
point of view, and you need to understand that we're
all different, even people on the same side of the
political divide as you. We're all different. And if we
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don't get along better, and if we don't stop this madness,
we're going to lose something very precious, and that is
the country that all of us have grown up in
and hopefully hopefully recognize that of all the countries in
the world, of all the countries in the world, this
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is still the best that is available, whoever is president
and whoever controls Congress, because there's always another election two
years away, or for another presidential election four years away
or less. And you can you can continue, you can
continue to express yourself. You have talk shows like mine
(11:19):
and talk shows like others. A lot of countries around
the world. This doesn't exist. I hope we can set
an example here on Nightside. There were a couple of
calls in the nine o'clock hour that set an example,
and a couple of calls that didn't. I'm appealing to
your better angels tonight six one, seven, two, five, four
(11:41):
ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty
and I want to hear from people on both sides
of the divide. You can define yourself and you can
tell me what you were willing to do to reach
across and reach over the divide. Join the conversation. We're
big right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, let's see what people have to say. The only
lines open right now. Six one. You gotta pull out
of this people. Let's go to Bill in Pennsylvania. Hey, Bill,
welcome first this hour on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Hey, thanks Dan. I think there's a solution, and I
think part of the solution is going to have to be,
uh put some of these people both sides, Okay, behind
bars for some of the stunts that they're doing for uh,
you know, say, mandatory five years of mandatory ten years.
I just I was just watching it. What I do
(12:42):
in the morning, Dan, I get up, I put on
my television. I can put on four different shows. So
I got Fox on, I got CNN, I got MS MBC,
and I got BBC. Then I turn then I turned
the sound down. I puk play some music and I
just watch it and I'll see something that's interesting, so
I'll go to it. I just saw a look like
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a young guy right now. I've never seen this before
in my life in America, where a tragedy happens and
they set up a makeshift memorial and everybody.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Bring exactly what you're going to talk about, Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, everybody brings Teddy Bears and if it's you know,
a young person, and flowers and mementos. And so they
did this in Phoenix for the last few days for
this Charlie Kirk, Kirk, gentlemen, Charlie Kirk. Anyway, I didn't
know him too well. I knew, I knew. I didn't
think I think that the people are saying he was
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that influential, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He was influential with young people. He was influential on
college campuses, believe me.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
And he's in the college.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And Donald Trump got like forty eight percent of the
youth vote in most polls, which was much better than
he had ever done before. So that's why he was
a big fan of Charlie. Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, I know he helped Trump get over the over
the get the electoral But anyway, so I'm watching it
no sound at all, and I look up. I see
this memorial and it's in Phoenix. I guess that's the
headquarters for kirk so outfit there yep. And Uh, all
of a sudden, this guy runs in to to the
to the memorial, to this makeshift memorial. He just starts
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running through all the flowers and everything and just kicking
everything over. I've never seen that before in the history
of watching television. The guy grabbed him and threw him down.
I guess he was arrested. Yes, he is what we're
dealing with, all.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Right, And you gotta look at you gotta look at
that now on him. I'm willing to put him away
for a while. I have no idea what his background is,
but I'm willing to say now, if there's some guy
who lost it, I'll hit him with with some some
form of you know, community service, I mean significant community service.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Dan, this problem, okay, if you take anybody okay, I
live in I live in the country out here, you know,
in Pennsylvania, And if you take anybody around here it
abuses animals. Okay, Okay, we're tired of it. Okay, you
abuse an animal?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Uh, that would be a mandatory sentence. Now this is
the case where people would abuse animals. Okay. A lot
of them will go on to abusing people. And this
guy right here that runs that mindset right there. Okay,
Now he'll.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Take up with you, Bill build Bill, Bill, what what
what sort of a sentence you think would be proper?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I'd give them five years.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, I think. And again maybe this is the lawyer
in me. Bill, I'd want to know you always before
you sent in someone, you want to know a little
bit more about them. I think what he did was disgraceful. Disgraceful, Okay,
I kind find any stronger words. But I'd like to
know his age. I would you know, he did not
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hurt another human being, but what he did was disgraceful.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And but he was but Dan, he was obviously Dan.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I've agree with you. Bill, I'm agreeing with you. All
I'm just saying is I want to know a little
bit more about him. So let's see what others have
to say.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Okay, well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Listen, this
guy that does this, Okay, he was obviously a guy
that condones the assassination of Kirk. Okay, he didn't do
that unless he unless he condones that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Bill, I'm not interested in arguing with you. Okay. I
gave you the opportunity to present your case. You I'm
not going to change your mind. Uh, And you're not
going to change my mind. And if this kid is
somebody who had been in trouble before, yeah, you're talking
about this. This can justify some prison time. If if
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it's the first stupid thing this kid ever did, you
may be able to put them on probation for three
years and hit him with significant amount of community service.
That's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
No, No, I'm not arguing with you, Dan, but one
other things.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, you know what, Bill, We've gone five minutes and
I'm I'm I'm going to be a little more. The
leash is going to get a little shorter in the
show so you've made your points, the good points. I
appreciate your call and I look forward to your next call,
but for now, I got to move on. Thank you, sir,
thank you, good night. Good night Christian and Peebty. Go ahead, Christian,
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get you in here before the newscast.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah, be eating Dan, I'll be briefing short.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
But we have people out there who have.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
An unstable moment or whatever it might be, right, and
we have the wealth of information pouring through the Internet
that it will attract them and escalate it. So that's
where we don't have the luxury of shutting that down.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
But what we do have is I to have a
voice when we say listen. The beauty of this country
and its foundation is that diversity. The fact that you
can have your opinion. I don't have my opinion, and
we can discuss things across that bridge and without having
to sync to that level. Because once you sum to
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that level, no matter how much you.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Believe in this country, you have become the enemy to
what you're trying to protect.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And you need to.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Recognize that you're out there listening. Please check yourself if
you don't know how, because you can't see it. I
hope your friends or associates do. And that's what happens
when you reach across the audle of people. You know,
when you circle in those conversations you have which I
have with my circle, everybody is civil. We can get
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passionate and we can get pointed, but we stay respectful.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
And there's never a violence. It's a growth through knowledge
and intelligence.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And by the way, when you talk about diversity, the
type of diversity that they need most on college campuses
right now is diversity of opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And they have to welcome viewpoints to be discussed.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
That's what That's what this kid took away, yep.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And that's what must be restored, even stronger than it existed.
I have no idea how many colleges and universities Charlie
Kirk visited. But you have to now say that campuses
will be open and you want to have a protest.
You want to have a protest because some speakers coming
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on to your campus that you're uncomfortable with. We're going
to have exactly what the Democratic Party did here in
Boston in two thousand and four. There will be a
zone where people can protest. You can scream, and you
can yell, but you cannot prevent. You do not have
the right to prevent and someone from coming on to
campus to express the point of view that you that
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you disagree with.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
But they also need to call him down that screaming
and yelling, because if you're screaming and yelling, you're not using.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh yeah, oh absolutely So. If if you're in an
auditorium and you want to have a protest for you know,
five minutes before the speaker comes out on stage, that's fine.
And if you can't control yourself and you try to
exercise you want to veto the speaker's rights, you want
to deny him or her First Amendment rights, you will
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be escorted. You're escorted out of the ballroom or the
electure hall. Simple as that.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
I mean, you may get good.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Thank you for allowing me to speak.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, Christin, you always welcome here, you know that. Thank
you so much, appreciate your call.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
All right, the only line is open right now, there's
two at six one seven two five four ten thirty
six one seven two five four ten thirty. We need
now some specific ideas also, and I want some of
you to commit to reaching out to some friend maybe
you've lost friends. I mean, this goes back to the
Trump Hillary campaign. I don't remember in either the McCain
(21:14):
Obama campaign or the McCain or the Romney Obama campaign
this sort of anger. And I think it was ignited,
and I don't care who was ignited by, but I
think it was united in twenty sixteen, and it only
got worse in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and
(21:35):
arguably it culminated with the death, the murder, the assassination
of one individual, Charlie Kirk. Let's keep it rolling. We're
going to have this conversation tonight, and I don't care
what side of the al you're on. I'd love to
know if you agree or disagree. We'll be right back
on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
All right, back to the phone as we go, We're
gonna go next to We're gonna go to Maryland and
Ross and Dale, Maryland. You are next on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Welcome, Hi, Dan, How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'm doing just great, Maryland. What's your thoughts on this
whole situation we find ourselves in.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
I'm gonna start with saying that I voted for Donald Trump,
and but right now, I'm extremely disturbed about this country,
as you know, is so divided right now, and we
desperately are in need of a leader who will try
(22:41):
to bring this country together. And a lot of Republican leaders,
and you know, politicians and Democratic politicians have said the
right thing after the Shelley Kirk murder that you know,
no matter how you feel, you know, we need to
we need to come together and unify and so forth.
(23:02):
And Donald Trump has said exactly the opposite. And we
need him to be a leader right now that unifies
this country, and he is just not stepping up to
the plate like he should. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I tend to agree with it. I'm hoping that apparently
there's this big event scheduled for next Sunday in Arizona,
memorial service for Charlie Kirk, and the President will attend that.
I would like him to basically tone it down. And
I think his responsibility. It's easy for him to criticize
(23:41):
accessors on the left, which is fine, but he needs
to make sure that people his supporters don't turn around
and try to retaliate here. And I think that he
needs to speak to the nation, and I mean he
himself came within a few inches of perhaps an assassin's bullet.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
So he he's saying, he's saying that all of the terrorism,
you know, this kind of stuff is all coming from Democrats.
And of course we know about the people, the politicians
and Michigan who are killed in the attack on Governor
Sapiro's house, and Donald Trump doesn't you know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah right, I mean, look the Shapiro case. I think
that was a nut truly in that job. I think
that the group that tried to abduct the governor of
Michigan was a political potential abduction. So I think you
(24:41):
could you could find situations on both sides. But I
think if we start to try to count it like
a baseball game, uh, it's a huge mistake. And I
think I think your point. I agree with you. He
is the president of the United States, and there may
be a lot of people who don't want to recognize
him as president of the United States. And one of
(25:02):
the ways perhaps that he could could could strengthen his
position as president because we only have one president at
the time. He's the president for everybody, just like Joe
Biden was the president Joe Biden was president for everybody.
He's president for everybody. I think he should take an
opportunity on Sunday or before and say, look, we got
(25:26):
to turn the temperature down in this country because if
we don't. And again, how about disagreeing with you? You
asked me, what do you think? What you what I
think he should do. I think he has a responsibility
to be a leader.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Absolutely right now, he's being the president for his face.
He's not being the president for uh.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Agree with I'm totally agreeing with you, and I'm saying
that he should. He should set a tone.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
If he's able to go to Alaska and talk with
Vladimir Putin, he should be able to talk to the
American people, those who agree and disagree, and say, look,
we all need to put this rhetoric aside.
Speaker 9 (26:11):
He's sadly he's not up for the job, and I
wish you were.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, you regret your vote for him, and you can't
take it back. But but I think you've made your
your position felt. And I hope, for the sake of
the country, not for his sake, that he follows your
advice to be honest with you.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
I don't know if you will, but I wish you were.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
All right, thank you very much. Thanks Marylyn, appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Good night, good night.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Let me go next to Carol in Randolph. Carol, you're
next on night side. Welcome.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Hi Dan, nice to nice stuck to you. And I
agree with everything you've been saying. And I mean since Wednesday,
I've been heartbroken and angry. Yeah, but I had to
get past that because I have it's that are on
the other side. I voted with Trump. They're they're liberals,
they're on the other side. But I try to talk
(27:08):
to them and we have to come to a common ground.
And I think too much venom has then put towards Trump,
And I'm like, I talked to my kids. I'm like,
get past that, look at the issues. Just let's talk
about the issues instead.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well that's what people should be talking about. And I
think that President Trump needs to mean up and he
has to rise to the occasion. Now I'm sure he
could sit there and say they tried to destroy my family,
they put me on trial, they impeach me, all of
the old, you know, complaints that he has and there
(27:47):
may be some justification. Do I think that that that
everything that happened to him has been justified. No, absolutely not. No.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
I completely agree he's.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Got to get past that. He's got to get.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
Past past that. And I also think he is right
in one respect. We need to find out who are
the people funding these radicals on the other side.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, again, that's what he has Lauren Fossman for.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I mean, we talked a couple of weeks ago about
I want to know more about Thomas Crooks. Most people
don't know who Thomas Crooks is, but he's the kid
who came within, you know, a couple of inches of
killing candidate Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Someone did suggest it
(28:37):
was a New York Times article that I read, which
was a good interesting profile of this kid. But it's like,
I just don't believe that some kid went from meek
high school student, college student to a presidential assassin. It
just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
It also doesn't make.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Sense to me that this twenty two year old kid
in Utah was able to do what he was able
to do. He told I guess other people of his
sustain for Charlie Kirk. Kirk didn't have souls, didn't have
secret service or anything.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Like that, but right, I mean, our normal children in colleges.
They're entitled to their opinions, They're entitled to believe whatever
they want. But if there are outside influences funding them
through this on websites and all of this encouraging this,
that is what needs to be rooted out. And that
(29:35):
is what I hope we do. On both sides, I
mean the radical side on the on the far right side,
that is a crisis too. Oh sure, I mean it's
both sides, but we got to get to common ground
and find out who is influencing our children to become
radicals like this.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, the other thing that we have seen, sadly a
bunch of teachers who expressed some pretty repulsive instincts after
the murder of Charl Kirk. Now, some schools have moved
against those teachers and have said, I mean, I just
it's beyond me. I cannot imagine that if any politician
(30:21):
who I disagreed with was assassinated, I would be felt
I would feel such such vitriol to that person that
I would want to post something publicly as these teachers did.
I mean, they have disqualified themselves, in my opinion, to
ever be back in the classroom because they are helping
mold young.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
Minds, well even their opinions. How stupid are you?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well that's the other side, that's the other issue too.
But I'd rather than be stupid. I'd rather than be
stupid and expose themselves then then be then be slick
and uh and you know, just yeah, No, I'm with
you totally. I appreciate you call, Carol, and best of
luck with your kids. I can understand what you're saying.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
No, stick to the issues, be rational and have a
decent conversation off your family or your kids. Rational.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We've done that now for several years. I mean, you know,
Thanksgiving dinners and stuff, and I go to a Thanksgiving
dinner with a lot of people. It's fairly large with
different points of view, and most people we talk. We
don't talk politics. But maybe it's time to talk some
politics and say, hey, I disagree with you, but you're
still whatever the relationship and I love you. Maybe that's
(31:44):
what we have to take people.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
Take the temperature down and don't personalize it all.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Right, Thanks, Thanks Carol, I got a schooed here, but
thank you so much. Please be more frequent as a
caller in this program. I need you. You are a
voice too. Thanks Carol'll talk to me, Thane, Great night,
good night. We're going to keep rolling here. Six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty. One line there and six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. We got three callers.
I guarantee Joe, Mary and Michael you're going to be
(32:13):
in that. You are going to be on the air.
Stay right there, and we have a couple of old lines.
We can get you a couple more in as well.
Back on nights out.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
After this night's side with Dan Ray, I'm telling you
Basy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
One of our listeners, one of our callers dropped off.
Let's fill it up six one seven, two, five four
to ten thirty. Six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We've had a great shouldern night. Let's finish strong Joe
and Lynn. Joe your next time nights, I go right ahead.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
Thanks Stan for taking my call. Yeah, this whole thing
is a disgrace, and I do agree with the girl.
I'm disappointed in Trump, even though I voted for him.
He should make a speech to the American people and
do what I agree with him and tell them to
turn down the temperature. Now the other person, who what
sentence would I give that guy that destroyed the memorial?
I would get psychiatric evaluation in a year in jail
(33:02):
and then maybe some community service.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, well again, I think what you got to do?
And my problem, Bill was stuck on five years in
jail and certainly disgraceful what this guy did, There's no question,
but you have to understand. Look, I'm an officer at court,
him a lawyer. You have to understand who is this person,
how old is he? What was his motivation?
Speaker 10 (33:24):
We like Thomas Crooks and they swiped that under the rug,
and that's not good. All this stuff needs to come out.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Well, there was one article in the New York Times
which a caller recommended to me, which I appreciated, which
is a fairly deep dive, but it didn't give me
any answers. It basically said, this kid's an enigma. Well,
I don't think kids who are twenty years old wake
up one morning and say I'm going to go shoot
the president of the United States. There was I would
(33:52):
want to know. I would want to make sure that
all of his computers and cell phones were wiped totally clean,
and that if there was anyone else in contact same
way with this kid. If this kid literally got up
on Wednesday morning and decided to drive to the campus,
minderstanding is he went to the campus now a couple
of days earlier, he scouted it around. Okay, as long
(34:14):
as he did that alone. But if he told other
people and they did anything to help him out, they
need to be dragged into this as well.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
Because I agree with you because Discord sent an email
and I got it from the Blaze, whether you like
him or not, and he started going downhill a few
months ago, getting radicalized. And we have to get these
people out of college who teach radicalism. Their job is
to teach the students to learn and to think, not
just to in doctor anything.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
But you can have different points, you can have different
points of view, but you can't have professors. You can't
have professors who abuse their privilege and use their position
to force students to regurgitate points of view. You can't
have that. You and you can have You could have
(35:03):
a You can be a liberal student who gets a
conservative professor and guess what that professor could turn up
be the best most challenging professor of your college career
and converse could be true, but.
Speaker 10 (35:16):
That's what one of the things. And then I'll let
you go. I don't think you should teach Marxism or
teach that. You could teach what it's about to put
professors that do this. I have to agree with you.
We agree on some things and disagree on others, and
this stuff shouldn't be taught and taught to radicalize. This
kid was going down here. I don't know whether you
(35:37):
read that article, but he started against family. Noticed he
was a strange from.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I read a lot about the day. I read a
lot about this guy, and clearly something happened, something occurred.
And by the way, on your point of view about Marxism,
Marxism is the is the greatest political failure in the
history of the world. There were more people who have
been subjected to poverty and discrimination under the marx On
(36:02):
the Marxist system then under under capitalism. We have to
have professors who understand that our system is the freest
system in the world. People can live here and they
can they can just waste their lives. Uh, you live
in you live in a Marxist dictatorship. You're gonna waste
(36:23):
your life. You may end up anywhere from you know.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
So, I think sometimes we're too free, but that's another
subject for another time.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I don't think we could be too free, Joe, I
really don't. Well.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
The reason I say that is because there's homelessness and
this and that and and there doesn't really need to
be I feel well.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Look, people make a choice, People decide to be successful
or whatever. Sometimes sometimes poverty can be a choice. Sometimes
homelessness can be a choice.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
However, however, we need to teach kids early on that
their prospects and their potential in this system is the
greatest of anywhere in the world. Simple sound all right.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
I'll let you go for that. But I enjoyed it,
and I feel bad for a Trump. I wish he
would speak up and say, this.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Is no question, no question. I got to keep rolling, Joe.
Let me go to Marion Lexington. Marry you next on nightside.
Thank you for calling in, go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (37:22):
Hi, thank you for taking my call. And I just
wanted to give you a little detail on the person
that ran through the tribute for Charlie Kirk. He's nineteen
years old, and why, in my opinion, I feel it
was more than just like a stupid act is because
he was also wearing the same black shirt that the shooter,
(37:48):
alleged shooter was wearing with the American flag in the Eagle.
That took intent for me that he put a shirt
on the black T shirt and ran through this tribute,
which was horrifying to me to see that. I mean,
this poor guy, Charlie Kirk is dead. What more do
(38:11):
these people want?
Speaker 10 (38:12):
He's dead.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Let me just say, you introduced an interesting fact that
I was unaware of. And if I was a judge
on that case, and clearly there's no question of what this.
It's on videotape, so I would take that a consideration
into the consideration, and that would push me maybe towards
incarceration as opposed to simply community service. I did not
(38:36):
have access to that information when I was talking to Bill.
He never mentioned you.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
No, I understand that. That's why I wanted to call,
And I actually did see it with my own eyes.
It wasn't like I just heard that they had it
on TV. And you could clearly see it was a
duplicate of the same T shirt that he was wearing
when he shot child.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So that just showed it wasn't sort of some kid
who who impulsively decided to do something rightly stupid. This
was someone who dressed to imitate the shooter, and he
was doing something to make a statement that was inherently evil,
which is, not only have we killed him, but now
I'm going to disrespect the people dance on his grave
(39:18):
literally literally, not just figuratively.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
Literally right, And if I felt the way I felt,
you can only imagine Charlie Kirk's family seeing that, like
I said, he gave up his life, he's dead. What
more do they want? Let it go?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Mary, thank you for the information, very helpful, very helpful,
but I'm.
Speaker 11 (39:40):
Sorry I can just add too how.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Much time you have, Rob Okay got about let's let
a minute go ahead.
Speaker 11 (39:47):
It was disrespectful to all the good people that were
there to work through the process of going to the tribute.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yep, I agree with you. It was. It was just
I believe.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
People should be accountable for their actions, and more people were,
I feel that things would be a little bit more disciplined.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I'm in total agreement with you on that, Mary, And
again I would hope that the president would speak to
the nation and doesn't have to do is speak from
the Oval Office presentation, but that you know he's he's
easily accessible to.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
A certain I agree with that theory. However, I will
say some of these people, and I think I've heard
you say it before too. Trump could cure cancer, and
it's still not going to be okay with them what
he says to what he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Understand that, But take the opportunity to appear presidential and
speak to the nation. Simple as that. In my opinion,
it's just my opinion. That's all. Hey, Mary, thank you
for your call. Please call more often. Okay, thank you.
Have a great night. Not going to do a night's
side postgame tonight for reasons that I will explain. Maybe
I'm just a little tired, and I'm going to wish
(41:01):
you all a good evening. All dogs, all cats, all
pets go to heaven. That's what my pal Charlie Ray is,
who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's where all
your pets are who were passed. They loved you, and
you love them. I do believe you'll see them again.
Say it for Charlie Kirk. Whatever your point of view is,
his family will need some support, that's for sure, And
I hope the President speaks to the nation, see again
(41:23):
tomorrow night. We're going to talk about sexploitation at ten
o'clock tomorrownight.
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