September 17, 2025 • 32 mins
Parents are left with an impossible decision after an 18-year-old Falmouth student was accused and arrested for threatening a school shooting in Falmouth. Ian Fotheringham is charged with threatening to use a deadly weapon in a public building. While police did not find any weapons upon investigation, it raises concerns over how to handle such threats and the difficult decision for parents over whether they send their kids to school where a shooting threat has been made. At a hearing, a district court judge ruled that the teen can go free if he posts $2500 bail and wears a GPS monitoring device. What would you do as a parent or a student?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Costin's Me Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Dan. If you listen to the ten
o'clock newscast with Dan Hawkins, you heard the story that
has really impacted and upset a lot of parents in Falmouth.
I heard about this story today and I thought we
have to do something with it tonight, because you know,
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school has started, and I don't I wasn't in the
courtroom when this case was argued, but on its surface,
it seems to me that there's something here that doesn't
that doesn't seem right to me. Let me, let me
just set it up for you. So we have an
eighteen year old kid. His name is Ian Fotheringham. I'm
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hoping I'm pronounced his name right. Okay. He's accused of
threatening a school shooting. Threatening school shooting. That's pretty serious stuff.
This is from a WBZTV report that I found earlier
today in Falmouth, Massachusetts, and he was released from jail
today put on bail. I guess twenty five hundred dollars,
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which is not a huge not a huge amount when
you think about it. Okay, the judge has apparently held
some sort of a dangerousness hearing yesterday. I don't know
how thorough it was. I want to assume it was.
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The individual is going to be required to wear a
GPS monitoring device. Okay. Apparently there were a group of
parents there who were quite upset, quite upset that the
Capean Islands District Attorney's office, who we contacted today, but
we never heard back from them, because as it sounded
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to me as if these groups of moms who were
there actually blamed the DA's office for not being able,
according to WBZTV, to convince the judge to keep this
kid held without bail. Now, he's arrested on September eleventh,
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which is last week, and he was charged with threatening
to use a deadly weapon in a public building. The
judge ruled that the charge doesn't fall under the dangerousness
statute in Massachusetts, so apparently this was done by the
judge without a formal dangerousness hearing. So he was given
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the right to post bail and was held last week,
although he had been held pending the judge's decision without
bail for five days until yesterday's hearing, and the judge
issued his decision today, which upset the parents. One mom
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well several mothers were quite upset. Now his attorney, of course,
is arguing the other way. He says, we can understand
the concern of the public. The allegations against my client
are based on speculation and conjecture. The family has done
everything they can to help this young man and will
continue to do so. When I listened to the ten
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o'clock newscast, he apparently, according to one of the mothers,
turned and laughed at them when the judge's decision came down.
The public should not be concerned. I trust he will
be found not guilty a trial. A lot of attorneys
assume they're their clients will be found not guilty, and
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that's what she said. Her name is Kristen Condon. Last month,
according to court documents, mental health counselors told investigators that
fathering him indicated he wanted to shoot up a school
that's in quotes, and claimed he was refurbishing refurbishing guns
in his room. Fowth Police searched the room and found
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no illegal weapons. But but apparently on September third, safety
monitors told police they saw this kid hanging around in
the woods behind t Ticket Elementary School in Falmouth and
were worried he was casing the building. The attorney refuted
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that and said the description of the person involved did
not match fothering him well. Police did get a search
warrant for his home, and they found photos and a
journal referencing the Columbine High School murders, plus a large
three D printer capable of making a gun. In October
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twenty twenty four, Farthingham also had made threats against Falmouth
High School, where he was once a student. This is
according to the police. One of the parents, woman named
Diana Wilson, told WBZTV on Tuesday, he doesn't care. He's
not afraid of what's going to happen. We're afraid because
these are our kids, these are our babies. Condon said
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her client suffers from mental health issues and that he
has a fatal disease to shame muscular dystrophy DMD. I'm
not eminently intimately familiar with that. It'll letter to staff
and families Tuesday night. The superintendent of the school down
in Falmouth said Falmouth Police will have detailed offices at
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all four elementary schools, in addition to the school resource
officers for at least the next two weeks. Twenty five
dollar bail. I don't know. Sounds to me like it
should have been, should have been more. So let me
take a break. We have one call a lined up.
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If you want to talk about this, let's talk about it.
If not, I've given you my thoughts on it. I
will move on. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three ten thirty sirande, I
hope I'm pronouncing her name in Onset SURRONDI you're going
to be next, uh And I trust and hope that
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there may be others down in that portion of the state,
or for that matter, of parents at other schools. Are
we taking a potentially serious situation? It sounds to me
like this kid has graduated already, but it seems to
me like he needs more than legal help. Seems to me,
even based upon the statements in this in the Channel
four report, that he may need some serious additional help
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beyond the lawyers. And our primary concern should be particularly
in view of someone who made who issued according to
the police, a thread a year ago, and now his
acting strangely. I mean, why don't we air why don't
why don't judges err on the side of caution in
a situation like this, and get this kid some help
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six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three thirty. Coming right back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So we're talking about a student who has threatened to
shoot up a school, who was found lurking in the
area of the school, who when they searched his house,
they found a three D printer. No guns, but a
three D printer capable of producing guns, as well as
pictures from the Columbine school shooting. I mean, most young
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men when they're eighteen years old have pictures either of
you know, pro hockey players, pro baseball players, basketball football players,
or or or pictures of uh, you know women in
you know, famous the movie stars. Uh, this kid's got
stuff from Columbine, and you're gonna let them out of
twenty five hundred dollars bail. I don't know. Let me
go to Sirande. I hope I'm pronounced Sirande's name correctly.
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Sirandi's calling in from Onset, Massachusetts. Have I come close
to that the correct pronunciation Sirande?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You have, Dan, It's Siranda.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Siranda, Okay, thank you, thank you very much for for
helping me get it correct perfectly. So what is your
thought on this? You're from that part of the state.
What's going on down there? Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I have lots of thoughts on this. I am actually
from Central mass but I am a mother. I'm a
parent of a sixth grader, and I think the parents
have every right to be outraged down here, absolutely outraged.
I don't even care about the three D printers. I
don't want to get caught up in that. The fact
that he is making threats and that this judge did
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not use her discretion to lock him up. Dangerousness hearing, Dan,
I hope you have a minute because I.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
This state is so corrupt from top to bottom, a
two tier justice system. I don't know who this kid knows,
but twenty five hundred dollars bail is a slap in
the face. Okay, a slap in the face. He's threatening
our kids because look at what happened to that young
woman in North Carolina. How many times was that man
let out fourteen times by this judge, you know, until
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he killed her? And now and now this kid is
here getting let out and God knows what he's capable of.
You know, we cannot take any chances and this dangerousness
is a joke. There's Kyle Wayne Colata is a veteran
a CDL driver. He has been spending the last eighty
five days in Worcester County for merely having the nerve
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to exercise his Second Amendment rights to possess a firearm
in the middle of a traffic stop.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah. I don't want to mix mix another issue here.
I want to focus on I want to focus on this.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Okay, you have to.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You have to look at the difference though, is the
way that this dangerousness is applied.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's it's just I want to focus soda. If you've
called to to use this for a different an issue,
We're not going to go very far because I'm not
going to talk about a case that I know little
to nothing about. As simple as that I'm going to
deal with. I will deal with this case that's in
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front of him.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
This kid should have been put away. The first threat
he made should have been taken seriously enough to get
him to get it. I don't want to hear that
he's got mental health. That's what they said. About that
man that killed that young girl.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, well, the fact that if you have mental health
issues all the more reason that there should be a
dangerousness here. I mean, if you've displayed behavior that is troubling.
You know, these are kids. I can remember there was
a case in the late eighties here in Massachusetts where
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a woman was in court on a Friday afternoon. I'm
not going to mention the judge's name, but there was
a woman who went into court. She was looking for
a restraining order against her boyfriend, who apparently allegedly had
been abusive. Taught her and the judge apparently did not
issue the restraining order and said to her something like,
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you know it was again this is the late eighties.
It was it was, as I recall it, something that
was very paternalistic, like whether he used the word sweetie
or sweetheart or something like that, why don't you just
go home and have a and again, you know, have
some fun, you know, enjoy the weekend with your boyfriend.
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Will he killed her that weekend, and of course, a
complete misjudgment by a judge, and it ended her death.
The judge, I think shortly thereafter left the bench and
after that that incident caused women who went into court with,
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you know, an allegation like that. They they were very
they were received much more with much more understanding. And
I but I don't want to see something here that
that eventuates and causes you know, harm to kids. And
I just don't understand. I don't understand the circumstances. How
the how a judge could have come up with twenty
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five hundred dollars bail. It sounds to me like there
was a predisposition.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, it sounds like a joke, is what it is.
And I hope those parents stand up.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yep, I do. I do as well. I appreciate it.
If and if any of them are listening, they're more
than you know. If we they want to talk about it,
we could talk about it. And if not, I'm going
to move on to another very interesting story in a
few minutes. Thank you very much for your calls, Ron,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right now, Letta go to one Bob out in California. Bob,
welcome to NIGHTSID.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
How are you and I'm doing okay? How by yourself?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, other than being concerned about how this judge handled
this case today again and I don't have a great
depth of knowledge on it, but it sounds to me
like this young man, this eighteen year old, is trouble
to say the least, and to be released on twenty
five dollars one hundred dollars bail. If anything horrific happens,
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I think this judge will regret his decision. I can
understand the judge might have wanted to give this kid
a break, but at what expense potential expense, should have
should have had a dangerousness hearing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
In my opinion, I agree with you and the reason
I call, whether it's there or Massachusetts, it is time
that we clamp down, okay and restore laur and honor,
like President Trump has been trying to do. Not that
he's doing everything right, but my point is, and I
realized it's going to take a change of laws. I
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get this, but I think three things need to happen,
and I welcome other people to come in. One is
we need to change the laws. So when judges, do
you know, light bail or release charged criminals, would violent
crimes or crimes like this, If the person goes out
and commits another crime, that judge is either held criminally
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liable or the judge can resign one or the other. Okay,
if they any criminals they let out on any violent crime.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
That would be Bob, I know your passion, but that
that is something that would never be upheld in the
law unless you could prove that the judge had some
sort of a prior relationship with the individual, uh and
and abused his power. For a judge to make a
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mistake and a bad call, they certainly can have public
pressure put up on them. But one of the things
you want to maintain is independence. I mean, I understand
your instinct that I tend to. I really do understand
that instinct you want the judge to understand as a
consequence of their decisions. But ye, yes, which which is true? Okay,
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And by and by the way, in many states, as
you know, judges get elected they but in Massachusetts they're
appointed for for life until they turned seventy years of age.
So but I understand, I do understand your instinct, and
I and I share it, but I have to caution
you that that that that's never unfortunately going to happen.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Well, I guess okay, I would respectfully disagree. It's in
a sense that we can change the laws. We changed
the federal laws or the state laws, or rewrite the constitution,
whatever we have to do. Make the judges liable. Number
two on something like this, make the parents liable and
tell the parents, if your son goes out and shoots
up the school, you the parents are also going to
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do a hard time. Make them liable.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, there there was on that point. There was the
case in Michigan where this kid went in a recent
case three or four years ago, where this kid went
in and shot and killed some classmates, fellow classmates, and
both the mother and father were uh were tried and
convicted and sent to jail as almost being be an
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accessory because they didn't there were plenty of warning signs
that they they seem to ignore. So so that is
is an argument that is that that's a good one.
And now whether or not there's a law in Michigan
and a law like that has to be past the
Massachusetts I'd have to I'd have to check the statutes.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Okay, okay. And the third thing is this kid should
be in a mental institution period permanently. Okay. Give the
parents a choice. Back to my point, hold the parents wible, Okay,
and the parents either get him mental a mental institution now,
or get him in jail one or the other. He
goes to jail, or he goes tontor Well.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
In Massachusetts, the procedure is you have a dangerousness hearing.
Uh and and and in many cases people are a
judged to be a day to themselves or others. In
some cases, the professionals, the psychologists, psychiatrist, whoever would be
conducting the dangerousness hearing can say, look, we do not
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believe that this person represents a harm in their professional opinion,
and that is what the judge can rely upon. I
think the judge made a judgment in this case that
the kid didn't need a dangerousness hearing, and I think
that's a that's a step that the judge, based upon
what I've read here, that is a mistake that I
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think the judge should have ordered, at a minimum a
dangerousness hearing in view of what happened a year ago
as well.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, the big problem is this, to stum it up,
there's a lack of accountability for these judges. Okay, there's
a lack of accountability for the parents and whatever laws
need to be passed to fix both of those.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It needs to be done, all right, I appreciate it.
One of the things that would be argued is that
the judges should not have liability that we want in
independent judiciary. So but that's a philosophical argument for another time. Rob, Bob,
I have to take a CBS is it CBS or ABC?
Rob a CBS special report at the bottom of the
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hour dealing with talk show host Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Thanks, Bob, all right, see it bye.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm just going to tell you we will continue to
talk about this student. I guess he's no longer a
student who attended the Falmouth Public Schools who allegedly, according
to the report, made a threat a year ago and
he has basically been seen loitering around a school in Falmouth.
He was released today the judge determined he did not
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need a dangerousness hearing. A lot of the parents were
very upset, very upset with the judge's decision to release
him on twenty five hundred dollars bail. Again, we talked
with one mom who had a knowledge of this. If
you have a knowledge of it and you want to
join the conversation, fine, I have Angelo in the South
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Shore coming up on the other side, and if that
doesn't lead to other phone calls, will change topics. But
here's the CBS News special report on Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Kimmel Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That Dan Walk has just led the newscast with. Is
what we're talking about right now and before I go
to my next call, which is Angelo in the South Shore.
There was a piece of the story at ten o'clock
where one of the moms was very upset with this judge.
Rob Please play that sound bite. He turned around and
laughed at us when he got his decision.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
He's not afraid of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
We're afraid because those are our kids, those are our babies,
and we can't go to school with them every day.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Twenty five dollars again, no dangerousness here. I just think
that the judge in that instance, and I don't even
know who the judge was. I don't want to know
who the judge was in case I know him. I
don't want to be fair. I don't want to be
unfair to the judge he was in the court. Most
judges take their responsibility pretty seriously, But it just seems
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to me, when you're dealing with this situation like this,
would be much better to air on the side of caution.
In my opinion, I obviously think that they should have
been a dangerousness hearing. The professional psychological professionals should have
been able to figure out what this kid is all about.
If you'd like to join the conversation six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty, we will get to the Jimmy Kimmel's story
at some point, sooner rather than later. Perhaps let's go
to Angelo in the South Shore. Angelo, your reaction to
what transpired in that film courtroom today.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I don't think the bail amu was sufficient, but there
are some questions that I don't feel have been answered
that people need to grasp. I mean, they're saying he
made this threat a year ago. What it took a
year to figure this out?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And when did you know what? I'm saying like this
this is something he said a year ago?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah? Just so let me let me just I just
want to make sure my audience is following us here,
because I haven't covered this story, so I'm relying just
in terms of the spirit of full disclosure. I'm relying
upon a story on a WBZTV and in the story
is said in October twenty twenty four, obviously eleven months ago,
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a year ago, fathering him also made threats against Falmouth
High School, where he was once a student, according to police. Now,
I don't know what those threats were. I don't know
if there was any sort of judicial activity or allegations
taken at that time. But that's what that's that's what
caught my eye in the w b Z report. And
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I assume that if they reported it's accurate what.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I think it's Listen, I'm not going to defend them.
The last guy that's going to defend these judges, I
think where we got crime in general? But however, but
my thing is, do we actually have a crime yet?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You know? I mean we know well well you you
he was charged with Okay, he was charged with loitering
near a school. He they had enough probable cause to
execute a search warrant that I can tell. And when
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they executed the search warrant of his home where he
lives with his parents, he apparently had a uh, posters
or pictures of yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Definitely a wido.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, but and there was and although there were no
guns found, okay, there were no guns found. They they
apparently had some court documents in which mental health counselors
told investigators that he had indicated under quotes here he
had wanted to shoot up a school, uh and claimed
he was refurbishing guns in his room. And when they
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searched the room, they didn't find any weapons, but they
did find a three D printer that had the capacity
to make you know, these these weapons.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
That I feel like the judges when he ordered the GPS,
I think he should have confiscated the three D printer
for the time being because he's got the capability to
make something.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
With it, and I think he could he could have
made he could have made that a a condition of yeah,
of of of bail and said, you know, we want
you to surrender, uh, you know that three D printers
out of your house and they will be kept, you know,
at the Foulmouth police station.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And when this is resulved, you'll get it back. And
if you don't want to surrender that printer, I'm going
to review my my bail finding and I guarantee you
it's going to be a much higher bail finding if, if,
even if I decide to give you bail, I mean,
the judge could have been tough tougher on it. I
don't think there's any question about that answer.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I think the judge could have done a little bit more,
just you know, because you know something, even though you
know what the judge might might have done a lot
a number of things, right Number one, do the parents
have weapons, our weapons readily available.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
To this kid. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
And at the end of the day, the judge made
his decision, he or she, I don't know who it is,
but they made the decision because the way they did
it was based on a lot of other things. But
I feel like if you based it on the on
the sole fact that the kid doesn't have access to weapons,
well you left him with access to the tool that
can make him weapons.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
So as well. Exactly exactly exactly Angel, Angel Uh, you
and I are on the same page here, Okay, So thanks,
thank you for the call. And even though it doesn't
impact you in the South Shore, there could be a
similar case in your community, and I just think you
air on the side of caution. We saw what happened
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in Columbine. We've seen what's happened down in Florida with
that that mass shooting. Uh, you've seen what happened in Newtown, Connecticut,
a little closer to home. Too much of this stuff
has been going on. Thanks Angela. I wasn't cutting you
off there, I was just saying, thank you for calling.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Say that the judge has to think about these parents
and put the public at ease. I mean, I know
you can't put the kid in prison for life, but
you know what, Yeah, no one's suggesting that stipulation.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
No one's suggesting that. All right, Thanks Angela, Thank you,
mich appreciate it. Let me go to Let me go
to Warren and Fall River. Hey, Warren, how are you?
Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
How are you doing? My friend?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well, I'm a little bit concerned here. Again, in my
days as a reporter, I would have been in the
court room and I would have known uh first he
and what had happened and what had had had not happened.
I'm relying upon a Channel four television report, uh that
that I have a copy of, and I'm relying upon
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that report to be to be accurate. I just don't
understand how the judge.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yeah, I don't understand it either. I mean, it sounds
like this kid had a lot of red flags that
should be that should have been under consideration, and you know,
no bail should have been you know, given at all.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But well, I think that I think the first step
should have been, we're gonna we're gonna have you spend
thirty days observation and a dangerousness hereic that that's what
I think.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Well, I have a I mean, there was an event
down in fall River today where a school not even
a quarter mile from where I live went into lockdown,
all right, ended up from what I understand, I mean,
I mean, I just I'm coming back from work right now,
so I from what I heard, from what I read,
it was just a hope call. But literally, yeah, I
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live on the main street in fall River, and I
literally had twenty five cops blasting down my road to
get to this school.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
All right.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Thank god they were going as quickly and they would
have been there as quickly it was a false alarm.
But oh yeah, that's dangerous to the cops. It's dangerous
to civilians. If you walk out of your house, you know,
you could have you know what I'm saying it's so
unnecessary why they can't trace that stuff in this day
and age, particularly if it's made from somebody's cell phone,
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you know, they should be able to ping it.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Oh, absolutely absolutely. Now my son is autistic, all right,
and he's twenty three now. He gradu away to high school.
But when he was in high school, he had an
incident where he got overly frustrated and he said, he
said some bad things, you know, he said some you know,
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threatening things, and the resource officer and Paul River police
had to remove them from the school. All right. He
had to be a tough right to the hospital and
he had he had to be under observation, and then
the resource officer had to search my house for guns
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at any weapons that he might have access to.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
But well, you know, warrant is as difficult as that
had to have been for you. You know, as long
as the police were respectful and they didn't you know,
rip the room apart and throw things on the you know,
there there are search warrants and then there are search warrants,
if you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, as
long as you were cooperative and your family was cooperative,
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it probably was in your interest.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Of course I was, I'm I just want my son
to be well, and I want my son to you know,
get educated the best way that he can. And and
it's just the fact that they literally came into our
house and you know, tour through his room, tour through
the closet next to his room, you know what, walked
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around the apartment that I live in, and you know,
determined that you know, we're no threat. You know, we
we don't harbor or any guns.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Get I get it, And I know it's difficult to
relive something like that. And obviously, those those people in
the audience who have autistic kids, you're special parents and
you're you know, you're you're dealing with with, you know,
a situation that you love your child just as much
as anyone loves their children, and but you want them
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not to harm others or to harm themselves. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I know it's difficult. But it's just the fact that
you know, you know, if he had to go to jail,
or if he if he harmed anyone in that school,
which he did not and probably wouldn't, but he just
gets very you know, he just got very very frustrated
(30:26):
that that episode and and but if he harmed anyone,
you know, I would have no choice but just fail
to spend time in jail or wherever they send you.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I hear you, I hear you. Yeah. We We recently
had on our show a former state Supreme Court justice
in New Hampshire who had a son who had trouble,
different type of trouble with alcohol and the son actually
beat up his dad, you know. And the dad now
goes around and talks to high school student. He's done
(31:02):
hundreds of these talks to advise them, uh, you know,
the dangers of alcoholism and drugs. His son he was
he was a Supreme Court justice in New Hampshire. His
son was sentenced to three years in prison and as
the he eventually became the Chief Justice of the New
Hampshire Supreme Court's name is John Broadwreck. He would visit
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his son in prison, so he had two roles. He
was the chief Justice, but he also is a dad.
So very similar situation. One. I'm way past my break.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
One more question. I sent you an email last week
about the part of week animal rescue down in Rhode Island. Yes,
I don't know if he got it.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I did get it, but it wouldn't hurt to resend
it because last week, with all the stuff.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
That was going on with with.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
The assassination that Charlie Kirk, just forgive me, with the
Charlie Kirk assassination week, my focus was not much on
on emails. It was on what was going on. If
you wouldn't and I'll I will, I will attend to it. Okay,
Thanks Warren, talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
All right, I'm going to come right back if you
want to make a final comment or two on what
has transpired down in foul with over the last couple
of weeks. Feel Free six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We will change topics and talk about the suspension of
the Jimmy Kimmel program. I have some thoughts on that.
(32:33):
I suspect you will as well, but that will start
after the eleven o'clock news, coming back on Night Side,
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Costin's Me Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Dan. If you listen to the ten
o'clock newscast with Dan Hawkins, you heard the story that
has really impacted and upset a lot of parents in Falmouth.
I heard about this story today and I thought we
have to do something with it tonight, because you know,
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school has started, and I don't I wasn't in the
courtroom when this case was argued, but on its surface,
it seems to me that there's something here that doesn't
that doesn't seem right to me. Let me, let me
just set it up for you. So we have an
eighteen year old kid. His name is Ian Fotheringham. I'm
(00:52):
hoping I'm pronounced his name right. Okay. He's accused of
threatening a school shooting. Threatening school shooting. That's pretty serious stuff.
This is from a WBZTV report that I found earlier
today in Falmouth, Massachusetts, and he was released from jail
today put on bail. I guess twenty five hundred dollars,
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which is not a huge not a huge amount when
you think about it. Okay, the judge has apparently held
some sort of a dangerousness hearing yesterday. I don't know
how thorough it was. I want to assume it was.
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The individual is going to be required to wear a
GPS monitoring device. Okay. Apparently there were a group of
parents there who were quite upset, quite upset that the
Capean Islands District Attorney's office, who we contacted today, but
we never heard back from them, because as it sounded
(02:00):
to me as if these groups of moms who were
there actually blamed the DA's office for not being able,
according to WBZTV, to convince the judge to keep this
kid held without bail. Now, he's arrested on September eleventh,
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which is last week, and he was charged with threatening
to use a deadly weapon in a public building. The
judge ruled that the charge doesn't fall under the dangerousness
statute in Massachusetts, so apparently this was done by the
judge without a formal dangerousness hearing. So he was given
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the right to post bail and was held last week,
although he had been held pending the judge's decision without
bail for five days until yesterday's hearing, and the judge
issued his decision today, which upset the parents. One mom
(03:05):
well several mothers were quite upset. Now his attorney, of course,
is arguing the other way. He says, we can understand
the concern of the public. The allegations against my client
are based on speculation and conjecture. The family has done
everything they can to help this young man and will
continue to do so. When I listened to the ten
(03:25):
o'clock newscast, he apparently, according to one of the mothers,
turned and laughed at them when the judge's decision came down.
The public should not be concerned. I trust he will
be found not guilty a trial. A lot of attorneys
assume they're their clients will be found not guilty, and
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that's what she said. Her name is Kristen Condon. Last month,
according to court documents, mental health counselors told investigators that
fathering him indicated he wanted to shoot up a school
that's in quotes, and claimed he was refurbishing refurbishing guns
in his room. Fowth Police searched the room and found
(04:09):
no illegal weapons. But but apparently on September third, safety
monitors told police they saw this kid hanging around in
the woods behind t Ticket Elementary School in Falmouth and
were worried he was casing the building. The attorney refuted
(04:31):
that and said the description of the person involved did
not match fothering him well. Police did get a search
warrant for his home, and they found photos and a
journal referencing the Columbine High School murders, plus a large
three D printer capable of making a gun. In October
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twenty twenty four, Farthingham also had made threats against Falmouth
High School, where he was once a student. This is
according to the police. One of the parents, woman named
Diana Wilson, told WBZTV on Tuesday, he doesn't care. He's
not afraid of what's going to happen. We're afraid because
these are our kids, these are our babies. Condon said
(05:12):
her client suffers from mental health issues and that he
has a fatal disease to shame muscular dystrophy DMD. I'm
not eminently intimately familiar with that. It'll letter to staff
and families Tuesday night. The superintendent of the school down
in Falmouth said Falmouth Police will have detailed offices at
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all four elementary schools, in addition to the school resource
officers for at least the next two weeks. Twenty five
dollar bail. I don't know. Sounds to me like it
should have been, should have been more. So let me
take a break. We have one call a lined up.
(05:53):
If you want to talk about this, let's talk about it.
If not, I've given you my thoughts on it. I
will move on. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three ten thirty sirande, I
hope I'm pronouncing her name in Onset SURRONDI you're going
to be next, uh And I trust and hope that
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there may be others down in that portion of the state,
or for that matter, of parents at other schools. Are
we taking a potentially serious situation? It sounds to me
like this kid has graduated already, but it seems to
me like he needs more than legal help. Seems to me,
even based upon the statements in this in the Channel
four report, that he may need some serious additional help
(06:38):
beyond the lawyers. And our primary concern should be particularly
in view of someone who made who issued according to
the police, a thread a year ago, and now his
acting strangely. I mean, why don't we air why don't
why don't judges err on the side of caution in
a situation like this, and get this kid some help
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six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three thirty. Coming right back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So we're talking about a student who has threatened to
shoot up a school, who was found lurking in the
area of the school, who when they searched his house,
they found a three D printer. No guns, but a
three D printer capable of producing guns, as well as
pictures from the Columbine school shooting. I mean, most young
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men when they're eighteen years old have pictures either of
you know, pro hockey players, pro baseball players, basketball football players,
or or or pictures of uh, you know women in
you know, famous the movie stars. Uh, this kid's got
stuff from Columbine, and you're gonna let them out of
twenty five hundred dollars bail. I don't know. Let me
go to Sirande. I hope I'm pronounced Sirande's name correctly.
(08:01):
Sirandi's calling in from Onset, Massachusetts. Have I come close
to that the correct pronunciation Sirande?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You have, Dan, It's Siranda.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Siranda, Okay, thank you, thank you very much for for
helping me get it correct perfectly. So what is your
thought on this? You're from that part of the state.
What's going on down there? Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I have lots of thoughts on this. I am actually
from Central mass but I am a mother. I'm a
parent of a sixth grader, and I think the parents
have every right to be outraged down here, absolutely outraged.
I don't even care about the three D printers. I
don't want to get caught up in that. The fact
that he is making threats and that this judge did
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not use her discretion to lock him up. Dangerousness hearing, Dan,
I hope you have a minute because I.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
This state is so corrupt from top to bottom, a
two tier justice system. I don't know who this kid knows,
but twenty five hundred dollars bail is a slap in
the face. Okay, a slap in the face. He's threatening
our kids because look at what happened to that young
woman in North Carolina. How many times was that man
let out fourteen times by this judge, you know, until
(09:12):
he killed her? And now and now this kid is
here getting let out and God knows what he's capable of.
You know, we cannot take any chances and this dangerousness
is a joke. There's Kyle Wayne Colata is a veteran
a CDL driver. He has been spending the last eighty
five days in Worcester County for merely having the nerve
(09:34):
to exercise his Second Amendment rights to possess a firearm
in the middle of a traffic stop.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah. I don't want to mix mix another issue here.
I want to focus on I want to focus on this.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Okay, you have to.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You have to look at the difference though, is the
way that this dangerousness is applied.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's it's just I want to focus soda. If you've
called to to use this for a different an issue,
We're not going to go very far because I'm not
going to talk about a case that I know little
to nothing about. As simple as that I'm going to
deal with. I will deal with this case that's in
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front of him.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
This kid should have been put away. The first threat
he made should have been taken seriously enough to get
him to get it. I don't want to hear that
he's got mental health. That's what they said. About that
man that killed that young girl.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, well, the fact that if you have mental health
issues all the more reason that there should be a
dangerousness here. I mean, if you've displayed behavior that is troubling.
You know, these are kids. I can remember there was
a case in the late eighties here in Massachusetts where
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a woman was in court on a Friday afternoon. I'm
not going to mention the judge's name, but there was
a woman who went into court. She was looking for
a restraining order against her boyfriend, who apparently allegedly had
been abusive. Taught her and the judge apparently did not
issue the restraining order and said to her something like,
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you know it was again this is the late eighties.
It was it was, as I recall it, something that
was very paternalistic, like whether he used the word sweetie
or sweetheart or something like that, why don't you just
go home and have a and again, you know, have
some fun, you know, enjoy the weekend with your boyfriend.
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Will he killed her that weekend, and of course, a
complete misjudgment by a judge, and it ended her death.
The judge, I think shortly thereafter left the bench and
after that that incident caused women who went into court with,
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you know, an allegation like that. They they were very
they were received much more with much more understanding. And
I but I don't want to see something here that
that eventuates and causes you know, harm to kids. And
I just don't understand. I don't understand the circumstances. How
the how a judge could have come up with twenty
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five hundred dollars bail. It sounds to me like there
was a predisposition.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, it sounds like a joke, is what it is.
And I hope those parents stand up.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yep, I do. I do as well. I appreciate it.
If and if any of them are listening, they're more
than you know. If we they want to talk about it,
we could talk about it. And if not, I'm going
to move on to another very interesting story in a
few minutes. Thank you very much for your calls, Ron,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right now, Letta go to one Bob out in California. Bob,
welcome to NIGHTSID.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
How are you and I'm doing okay? How by yourself?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, other than being concerned about how this judge handled
this case today again and I don't have a great
depth of knowledge on it, but it sounds to me
like this young man, this eighteen year old, is trouble
to say the least, and to be released on twenty
five dollars one hundred dollars bail. If anything horrific happens,
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I think this judge will regret his decision. I can
understand the judge might have wanted to give this kid
a break, but at what expense potential expense, should have
should have had a dangerousness hearing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
In my opinion, I agree with you and the reason
I call, whether it's there or Massachusetts, it is time
that we clamp down, okay and restore laur and honor,
like President Trump has been trying to do. Not that
he's doing everything right, but my point is, and I
realized it's going to take a change of laws. I
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get this, but I think three things need to happen,
and I welcome other people to come in. One is
we need to change the laws. So when judges, do
you know, light bail or release charged criminals, would violent
crimes or crimes like this, If the person goes out
and commits another crime, that judge is either held criminally
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liable or the judge can resign one or the other. Okay,
if they any criminals they let out on any violent crime.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
That would be Bob, I know your passion, but that
that is something that would never be upheld in the
law unless you could prove that the judge had some
sort of a prior relationship with the individual, uh and
and abused his power. For a judge to make a
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mistake and a bad call, they certainly can have public
pressure put up on them. But one of the things
you want to maintain is independence. I mean, I understand
your instinct that I tend to. I really do understand
that instinct you want the judge to understand as a
consequence of their decisions. But ye, yes, which which is true? Okay,
(15:02):
And by and by the way, in many states, as
you know, judges get elected they but in Massachusetts they're
appointed for for life until they turned seventy years of age.
So but I understand, I do understand your instinct, and
I and I share it, but I have to caution
you that that that that's never unfortunately going to happen.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Well, I guess okay, I would respectfully disagree. It's in
a sense that we can change the laws. We changed
the federal laws or the state laws, or rewrite the constitution,
whatever we have to do. Make the judges liable. Number
two on something like this, make the parents liable and
tell the parents, if your son goes out and shoots
up the school, you the parents are also going to
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do a hard time. Make them liable.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, there there was on that point. There was the
case in Michigan where this kid went in a recent
case three or four years ago, where this kid went
in and shot and killed some classmates, fellow classmates, and
both the mother and father were uh were tried and
convicted and sent to jail as almost being be an
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accessory because they didn't there were plenty of warning signs
that they they seem to ignore. So so that is
is an argument that is that that's a good one.
And now whether or not there's a law in Michigan
and a law like that has to be past the
Massachusetts I'd have to I'd have to check the statutes.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Okay, okay. And the third thing is this kid should
be in a mental institution period permanently. Okay. Give the
parents a choice. Back to my point, hold the parents wible, Okay,
and the parents either get him mental a mental institution now,
or get him in jail one or the other. He
goes to jail, or he goes tontor Well.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
In Massachusetts, the procedure is you have a dangerousness hearing.
Uh and and and in many cases people are a
judged to be a day to themselves or others. In
some cases, the professionals, the psychologists, psychiatrist, whoever would be
conducting the dangerousness hearing can say, look, we do not
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believe that this person represents a harm in their professional opinion,
and that is what the judge can rely upon. I
think the judge made a judgment in this case that
the kid didn't need a dangerousness hearing, and I think
that's a that's a step that the judge, based upon
what I've read here, that is a mistake that I
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think the judge should have ordered, at a minimum a
dangerousness hearing in view of what happened a year ago
as well.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, the big problem is this, to stum it up,
there's a lack of accountability for these judges. Okay, there's
a lack of accountability for the parents and whatever laws
need to be passed to fix both of those.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It needs to be done, all right, I appreciate it.
One of the things that would be argued is that
the judges should not have liability that we want in
independent judiciary. So but that's a philosophical argument for another time. Rob, Bob,
I have to take a CBS is it CBS or ABC?
Rob a CBS special report at the bottom of the
(18:17):
hour dealing with talk show host Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Thanks, Bob, all right, see it bye.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm just going to tell you we will continue to
talk about this student. I guess he's no longer a
student who attended the Falmouth Public Schools who allegedly, according
to the report, made a threat a year ago and
he has basically been seen loitering around a school in Falmouth.
He was released today the judge determined he did not
(18:43):
need a dangerousness hearing. A lot of the parents were
very upset, very upset with the judge's decision to release
him on twenty five hundred dollars bail. Again, we talked
with one mom who had a knowledge of this. If
you have a knowledge of it and you want to
join the conversation, fine, I have Angelo in the South
(19:05):
Shore coming up on the other side, and if that
doesn't lead to other phone calls, will change topics. But
here's the CBS News special report on Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Kimmel Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That Dan Walk has just led the newscast with. Is
what we're talking about right now and before I go
to my next call, which is Angelo in the South Shore.
There was a piece of the story at ten o'clock
where one of the moms was very upset with this judge.
Rob Please play that sound bite. He turned around and
laughed at us when he got his decision.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
He doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
He's not afraid of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
We're afraid because those are our kids, those are our babies,
and we can't go to school with them every day.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Twenty five dollars again, no dangerousness here. I just think
that the judge in that instance, and I don't even
know who the judge was. I don't want to know
who the judge was in case I know him. I
don't want to be fair. I don't want to be
unfair to the judge he was in the court. Most
judges take their responsibility pretty seriously, But it just seems
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to me, when you're dealing with this situation like this,
would be much better to air on the side of caution.
In my opinion, I obviously think that they should have
been a dangerousness hearing. The professional psychological professionals should have
been able to figure out what this kid is all about.
If you'd like to join the conversation six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty, we will get to the Jimmy Kimmel's story
at some point, sooner rather than later. Perhaps let's go
to Angelo in the South Shore. Angelo, your reaction to
what transpired in that film courtroom today.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I don't think the bail amu was sufficient, but there
are some questions that I don't feel have been answered
that people need to grasp. I mean, they're saying he
made this threat a year ago. What it took a
year to figure this out?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And when did you know what? I'm saying like this
this is something he said a year ago?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah? Just so let me let me just I just
want to make sure my audience is following us here,
because I haven't covered this story, so I'm relying just
in terms of the spirit of full disclosure. I'm relying
upon a story on a WBZTV and in the story
is said in October twenty twenty four, obviously eleven months ago,
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a year ago, fathering him also made threats against Falmouth
High School, where he was once a student, according to police. Now,
I don't know what those threats were. I don't know
if there was any sort of judicial activity or allegations
taken at that time. But that's what that's that's what
caught my eye in the w b Z report. And
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I assume that if they reported it's accurate what.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I think it's Listen, I'm not going to defend them.
The last guy that's going to defend these judges, I
think where we got crime in general? But however, but
my thing is, do we actually have a crime yet?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You know? I mean we know well well you you
he was charged with Okay, he was charged with loitering
near a school. He they had enough probable cause to
execute a search warrant that I can tell. And when
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they executed the search warrant of his home where he
lives with his parents, he apparently had a uh, posters
or pictures of yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Definitely a wido.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, but and there was and although there were no
guns found, okay, there were no guns found. They they
apparently had some court documents in which mental health counselors
told investigators that he had indicated under quotes here he
had wanted to shoot up a school, uh and claimed
he was refurbishing guns in his room. And when they
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searched the room, they didn't find any weapons, but they
did find a three D printer that had the capacity
to make you know, these these weapons.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
That I feel like the judges when he ordered the GPS,
I think he should have confiscated the three D printer
for the time being because he's got the capability to
make something.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
With it, and I think he could he could have
made he could have made that a a condition of yeah,
of of of bail and said, you know, we want
you to surrender, uh, you know that three D printers
out of your house and they will be kept, you know,
at the Foulmouth police station.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And when this is resulved, you'll get it back. And
if you don't want to surrender that printer, I'm going
to review my my bail finding and I guarantee you
it's going to be a much higher bail finding if, if,
even if I decide to give you bail, I mean,
the judge could have been tough tougher on it. I
don't think there's any question about that answer.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I think the judge could have done a little bit more,
just you know, because you know something, even though you
know what the judge might might have done a lot
a number of things, right Number one, do the parents
have weapons, our weapons readily available.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
To this kid. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
And at the end of the day, the judge made
his decision, he or she, I don't know who it is,
but they made the decision because the way they did
it was based on a lot of other things. But
I feel like if you based it on the on
the sole fact that the kid doesn't have access to weapons,
well you left him with access to the tool that
can make him weapons.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
So as well. Exactly exactly exactly Angel, Angel Uh, you
and I are on the same page here, Okay, So thanks,
thank you for the call. And even though it doesn't
impact you in the South Shore, there could be a
similar case in your community, and I just think you
air on the side of caution. We saw what happened
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in Columbine. We've seen what's happened down in Florida with
that that mass shooting. Uh, you've seen what happened in Newtown, Connecticut,
a little closer to home. Too much of this stuff
has been going on. Thanks Angela. I wasn't cutting you
off there, I was just saying, thank you for calling.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Say that the judge has to think about these parents
and put the public at ease. I mean, I know
you can't put the kid in prison for life, but
you know what, Yeah, no one's suggesting that stipulation.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
No one's suggesting that. All right, Thanks Angela, Thank you,
mich appreciate it. Let me go to Let me go
to Warren and Fall River. Hey, Warren, how are you?
Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
How are you doing? My friend?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well, I'm a little bit concerned here. Again, in my
days as a reporter, I would have been in the
court room and I would have known uh first he
and what had happened and what had had had not happened.
I'm relying upon a Channel four television report, uh that
that I have a copy of, and I'm relying upon
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that report to be to be accurate. I just don't
understand how the judge.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yeah, I don't understand it either. I mean, it sounds
like this kid had a lot of red flags that
should be that should have been under consideration, and you know,
no bail should have been you know, given at all.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But well, I think that I think the first step
should have been, we're gonna we're gonna have you spend
thirty days observation and a dangerousness hereic that that's what
I think.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Well, I have a I mean, there was an event
down in fall River today where a school not even
a quarter mile from where I live went into lockdown,
all right, ended up from what I understand, I mean,
I mean, I just I'm coming back from work right now,
so I from what I heard, from what I read,
it was just a hope call. But literally, yeah, I
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live on the main street in fall River, and I
literally had twenty five cops blasting down my road to
get to this school.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
All right.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Thank god they were going as quickly and they would
have been there as quickly it was a false alarm.
But oh yeah, that's dangerous to the cops. It's dangerous
to civilians. If you walk out of your house, you know,
you could have you know what I'm saying it's so
unnecessary why they can't trace that stuff in this day
and age, particularly if it's made from somebody's cell phone,
(27:50):
you know, they should be able to ping it.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Oh, absolutely absolutely. Now my son is autistic, all right,
and he's twenty three now. He gradu away to high school.
But when he was in high school, he had an
incident where he got overly frustrated and he said, he
said some bad things, you know, he said some you know,
(28:13):
threatening things, and the resource officer and Paul River police
had to remove them from the school. All right. He
had to be a tough right to the hospital and
he had he had to be under observation, and then
the resource officer had to search my house for guns
(28:34):
at any weapons that he might have access to.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
But well, you know, warrant is as difficult as that
had to have been for you. You know, as long
as the police were respectful and they didn't you know,
rip the room apart and throw things on the you know,
there there are search warrants and then there are search warrants,
if you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, as
long as you were cooperative and your family was cooperative,
(29:00):
it probably was in your interest.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Of course I was, I'm I just want my son
to be well, and I want my son to you know,
get educated the best way that he can. And and
it's just the fact that they literally came into our
house and you know, tour through his room, tour through
the closet next to his room, you know what, walked
(29:27):
around the apartment that I live in, and you know,
determined that you know, we're no threat. You know, we
we don't harbor or any guns.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Get I get it, And I know it's difficult to
relive something like that. And obviously, those those people in
the audience who have autistic kids, you're special parents and
you're you know, you're you're dealing with with, you know,
a situation that you love your child just as much
as anyone loves their children, and but you want them
(29:59):
not to harm others or to harm themselves. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I know it's difficult. But it's just the fact that
you know, you know, if he had to go to jail,
or if he if he harmed anyone in that school,
which he did not and probably wouldn't, but he just
gets very you know, he just got very very frustrated
(30:26):
that that episode and and but if he harmed anyone,
you know, I would have no choice but just fail
to spend time in jail or wherever they send you.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I hear you, I hear you. Yeah. We We recently
had on our show a former state Supreme Court justice
in New Hampshire who had a son who had trouble,
different type of trouble with alcohol and the son actually
beat up his dad, you know. And the dad now
goes around and talks to high school student. He's done
(31:02):
hundreds of these talks to advise them, uh, you know,
the dangers of alcoholism and drugs. His son he was
he was a Supreme Court justice in New Hampshire. His
son was sentenced to three years in prison and as
the he eventually became the Chief Justice of the New
Hampshire Supreme Court's name is John Broadwreck. He would visit
(31:26):
his son in prison, so he had two roles. He
was the chief Justice, but he also is a dad.
So very similar situation. One. I'm way past my break.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
One more question. I sent you an email last week
about the part of week animal rescue down in Rhode Island. Yes,
I don't know if he got it.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I did get it, but it wouldn't hurt to resend
it because last week, with all the stuff.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
That was going on with with.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
The assassination that Charlie Kirk, just forgive me, with the
Charlie Kirk assassination week, my focus was not much on
on emails. It was on what was going on. If
you wouldn't and I'll I will, I will attend to it. Okay,
Thanks Warren, talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
All right, I'm going to come right back if you
want to make a final comment or two on what
has transpired down in foul with over the last couple
of weeks. Feel Free six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We will change topics and talk about the suspension of
the Jimmy Kimmel program. I have some thoughts on that.
(32:33):
I suspect you will as well, but that will start
after the eleven o'clock news, coming back on Night Side,
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