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September 26, 2025 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Nights with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, I want to thank my guest last Hour, David
Wheeler tells the police sergeant detective now retired my cuff.
The book Killing My Father, the inside story of the
biggest FBI corruption scandal in history. I would be curious.
I hope most of you were able to follow the
conversation because obviously there was a bunch of characters involved

(00:29):
in the conversation, and I tried to keep it as
simple as possible. There were some, you know, facts that
we slid by, no facts of importance. But the book
is available on Amazon, Killing my Father if you want
to react very quickly, if you listened to the hour,

(00:51):
and if you appreciated that sort of long form interview,
It's a story that I know a lot about because
I lived a part of it. I often used to
describe the corruption in the Boston office of the FBI
back in the day. And I don't think the FBI

(01:12):
in off Boston in the office now is corrupt, but
I do think it was corrupt in the sixties and
the seventies and into the eighties. But I often described
it as a mansion on the hill on a hill,
and you know, there were all sorts of rooms in
the mansion. In one room was the Roger Wheeler room,
Another room was the Joe Barbosa room, and another room

(01:35):
was the East Paul WECo room, And another room was
the room of the four men who were wrongfully convicted
Joe Sovadi, Peter Lamoni, Henry Timelio and Louis Greco. And
some of those rooms were connected in one former fashion.
But nobody knew the entire depravity of what went on

(01:56):
within the office here in Boston through all those years.
I also used to describe it as sort of three
parallel railroad tracks that on one line of tracks you
had corrupt agents starting with Dennis Condon and Paul Rico
and morphing into people like John Conolly and others. And
then you had the track that started with Vincent Fleming

(02:17):
and Parposer, and then you had Whitey Bulger and Stevie
Flemy and their friend their colleagues. And then the other
track would be the victims. While there was people who
were killed by Weddy Bulger and buried on beaches, or
whether there were people that were put in prison by
lives of Joe Barposa and the duplicity of h. Paul

(02:37):
Rico and others in the FBI, or whether they were
killed by John Monorano, who was an associate of Bulger.
And if you stood to the side of those three tracks,
and at any point in time, picked a year in
nineteen sixty five or nineteen seventy or seventy five or
eighty five, you would tell who the victims were, who

(02:57):
the corrupt agents in the FBI were, and who are
the corrupt criminals that we're working with the corrupt agents
of the FBI. So, if you want to quickly respond
and tell me if you enjoyed that conversation, great. If
you tell me that it was too confusing, that's okay too.

(03:17):
I'm just trying to get a sense, a little bit
of a sense of what my audience likes. In the meantime,
as we ready for a phone call or too. On
that subject, I want to open up the twentieth hour.
What we'd like to do on a twentieth hour every night,
every Friday night at least, is kind of kicked back
and get you to the weekend. The serious discussion of

(03:39):
the week is over. We've had some really heavy duty
discussions this week. I think it was one of the
toughest weeks. You know, if you go back to Monday night,
the Mayor Koch interview that touched upon the statues was in.

(04:00):
We had a touch upon the statues that would be
constructed and made available at the new Quincy Public Safety Building.
That controversy had sort of morphed into a controversy dealing
with the pedophile priests. We talked also with Jeff Robbins
about the two States solution, kind of as a setup
to what was going on the United Nations. This week.
We had the Jimmy Kimmel conversation. As he returned, Donald

(04:23):
Trump addressed the United Nations. We talked with the president
of Brandeis College, Arthur Levine, who is an extraordinary interview.
He will be the interview that will play on Sunday
night at eleven o'clock the Best of Nightside, talking about
literally turning around the system, the higher education system in

(04:47):
this country. We talked about Kamala Harris's book One hundred
and seven Days Kamala Harris, I should say, talked with
John Chester of the Boston Globe about the withdrawal of
the company Applegreen that had won the mass Pike case.
We talked contract to restore the eleven service plauses on

(05:08):
the Massachusetts Turnpike and seven others around the state. Talked
last night with Jeff Riley, the former Education Commissioner here
in Massachusetts, about a new adventure Day of ai USA,
and talked earlier tonight. We'll also talk last night with
doctor Alfred Miller. He disagrees with the Trump administration on

(05:29):
manning Thailand all and encouraging people, particularly pregnant women, not
to take tailand all if they need Thailand all. Talked
with Claude le Bouffe in the nine o'clock hour tonight,
a pedophile, pre pedophile survivor who wrote a letter of
a concern and protest to Mayor Coch and he was
He said early on in the interview tonight that Coke

(05:50):
had sent him a letter of apology. So it's been
a crazy week, that's for sure. And we ended up
with David Wheeler and Mike huff on their new book
Killing My Father about the corruption of the FBI. Let
me get some calls real quickly here and if you'd
like to join in and tell me you are a
brush with celebrity. That is great too. Let's go to

(06:12):
George and Bridgewater. George, welcome. You are next first, it's
our nightside. Go ahead, George.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Hey Dan, I've been keeping this one under my hat
for a long time. But I started working for IBM
right there on Highland Avenue and we had six huge
computers forty thousand squift warehouse.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
But my boss was.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Very generous with his time, and he let Harvard and
MIT know that the guys could come at night and
work on their projects. So lo and behold who walked
through the door one night and many nights thereafter was

(06:59):
the Gates. Nobody knew him at that time, A bearded guy,
so that must have been uh his that must have
been Paul Allen and one other guy, and I don't
know who it was, but.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
UH should have invested in any company they were forming.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
George, well, I know what they were working on now,
But he was very secretive. And when he would come
to my computer, uh, and there was one next to
me that he would use, and he said, George, I
wanted a clear memory. Uh so, you know, because his

(07:40):
program would stay in memory and maybe someone's paranoid, someone
could steal it. I said, just hit this system reset
or reset, and that's it.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
You're done.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
And here's the card of all the little codes you
can use to protect yourself in here from you know,
anyone taking your software. But he would yell and green sometimes.
I think at Paul Allen, I don't know how many
times I told you that you can't do it like that,
And some of the other guys in there would say, well.

(08:11):
They would all yell at each other to shut up
and be more quiet. But there was always ten to
fifteen cruise of Harvard, mit guys, no girls, thinking they
were going to change the world. They did, and he did.
There was one guy in there was working on cell
phone communications. I always wondered what happened with him. But Gates,

(08:36):
towards the end we got friendly and he would call
me Georgie boy. I would call him Billow. But then
by nineteen seventy five I think he dropped out of
Harvard and left. But it was fun working with those guys.
I worked the night shift from four to twelve. They
could come in at seven to twelve and get free

(08:59):
computer time.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
You never know, well, in those days there weren't too
many computers that probably would accommodate their their their interest. George, great,
great Brushwood celebrity. Did you listen last hour by any chance?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yes, I did. I've been listening to your show. I'm
I'm a four hour guy. I listened to all four hours.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
What did you think of the That's that that story
as told by Mike Huff and David Wheeler.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, I just couldn't. I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's all true, it's all true.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
You run really good shows.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Dan.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Sometimes I say I'm not going to be interested in
this hour, and lo and behold, I listened to it,
and at the end of the hour, I say, you
know what you would you learned something tonight?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah? Well again, either hopefully with some of the guests
we have you can you can learn something, or you
can listen to someone else's point of view and maybe
adjust yours, or maybe it reinforces your belief. That's the
whole idea. And you've been a great order of this program.
And as we start year nineteen, I'm indebted to people

(10:04):
like you, George, who have participated both as a as
a periodic caller but also such a lawyer messer. Thank you,
my friend.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
As always, yell, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
You have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Thank you too, you too, Thanks, thanks you George.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
All all right, buddy, touch you soon.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. We'll keep it rolling,
as they say. If you want to comment on that
last hour, that's fine. But I also want to get
to brushes with celebrity. Everyone has met a celebrity of
some sort. Who is yours? And what were the circumstances?
And I always like to ask people, how will you

(10:40):
treat it? Will you treat it respectfully by the celebrity
whoever it was. You can give somebody uh an acknowledgment
and a compliment, or if you were treated well, you
can you can acknowledge that too. It's like the good,
the bad, and the ugly. Be right back on night
Side six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty.
One line there and one line at six one seven
nine three back on Nightside. Right after this.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
news radio.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Okay, back to the calls we go. Let me go
next to Dot Medford, Hey, Dot, welcome next on Nightside, Hida.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
You know, I just want to comment on. How could
you be so brave to go against the FBI? I
often wondered, how did the two of you cope with that?
I mean it was scary. That was scary at times,
it was, but yeah, but we knew.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
The two you're talking about is Victor Garrow.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
The attorney that I worked with was somebody case who
had worked for many years before without any success, and
out of frustration, he he asked to be introduced to me.
And it took me a while to decide to throw
in my lot with him, but it was the right
thing to do. I'm glad I did it. It's the

(12:01):
most proud of any story that I've ever participated in.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
It was so wonderful for those families that you did that,
for those men, It's just wonderful, but very scary.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, I was not concerned about the bad guys. I
was concerned about the bad guys with the badgers.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Oh well, that's it.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
I'd be more concerned with them too.

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Yeah, But anyway, you guys did a wonderful job for
those families. That was wonderful.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I hope you enjoyed the last hour because Rico finally,
finally was brought to the Bar of Justice. He lived
in freedom from way too long.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Oh he was a horror that Rico horror bad guy broh.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
But anyway, I mean it was just an incredible But
the whole week has been so interesting and really great.
You've had a great week.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, thanks, Jos.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, and I mean.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Every night I'd like to call, but he figure, I
can't do that.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well, you remember you always get call during the weekend.
Then everybody gets a hal passing this hour, so you know.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Oh, I know, I know, that's good.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
That's good. Well listen, you take care of yourself and
have a nice weekend.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I sure will, and you as well. Thanks, Dot, talk
to you soon. You got a birthday coming up pretty soon?

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Right, Oh, yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
What's the day? I know it's a It's October thirty first. Okay,
we'll have to make sure we talked to you that night. Okay, sure, sure,
thanks Dot, talk to you soon, Dan, all right, I will,
I promise. Let me go next to Laurie in Idaho. Hi, Laurie,
how are you.

Speaker 9 (13:38):
I'm doing well. I'm not in the you know, the
celebrity thing tonight. I just wanted to comment und your
last hour and how informative it was. And I think
you did actually a really good job of leaving the
story together between your input and your two guests, which amazing.
I mean, I could have read an hour of a
book and gotten, you know, as much as information as
you gave tonight. And I thought it was fantastic. I

(13:59):
didn't have any trouble following it in good you know,
maybe sometimes the long form interview is not a horrible thing,
you know, but it was. It was fantastic. It flowed,
and these guys are amazing. You are very impressive for
your role and all that stuff and your knowledge of it.
And I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, Mike Houff, the detective. They should do a movie
about the guy's life. I mean, it's yeah, he was.
He was down there in Tulsa, and he knew early on.
I made you contact with him sometime in the nineteen nineties,
and I just knew that this guy was the real deal,

(14:37):
and he it was. It was his role in that
that Americ is most wanted I Forget, which was the
exact title, But he showed Monerano's picture. Monorana was living
pretty quietly in Florida.

Speaker 9 (14:56):
He was was John Walsh doing that or that Walsh
guy who lost his kids, or was that before that.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm not sure which one it was, and I have
to go back and check on it. But he told
the story. Manorana was living in Florida and living a
very quiet life, and you know, he figured that that
that he was in a safe harbor. And you know,
whenever you're I don't know, you know, I've never been
on the run, per se, but you know, you know

(15:21):
how you're in.

Speaker 9 (15:22):
If you're a smart guy and you're on the run,
you're gonna know and you've gotten right.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
But what I'm saying is you're somewhere in disney World.
And I can remember being in line in Disney World
one time with my kids who were really little, and
we turned around, this is in Disney World and there
was a neighbor three groups behind us from the small
town outside of Boston that we lived in. It was like,
you know, I mean those sort of you know anywhere

(15:51):
coincidence is right. And but Monorana was fine. He was
on vacation. It's like, you're a gangster and you kill
people for a living, where are you going to vacation? Hawaii?
Of course, And he happened to watch the show, whether
it was America's Most Wanted or whichever it was, and
he realized they were doing a story on the on

(16:12):
the Boston Mob and the MafA and the Boston Mafia.
There was also I guess a a Dixie mafia in Oklahoma,
which Huff dealt with as well. Detective Huff and they
shared information actually that he told me, and I didn't
get it in tonight, but the guy the bad guys

(16:33):
and the Dixie Mafia said to him, Hey, look, we
had nothing to do with the Roger Wheeler case, but
we understand that that that's that came out of Boston.
So but how how cool is that that you.

Speaker 8 (16:49):
Intriguing?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, you know you're dealing with bad guys and you know,
whatever their Dixie Mafia was, I'm sure that it wasn't
an offshoot of the Gambino family. But they had, you know,
an organized crime element down there, and and the organized
crime element, you know, knew what was what was going on.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
The Wheeler case was a huge, huge case for Oklahoma
because Wheeler was a well known businessman and for him
to be shot at four o'clock in the afternoon in
the parking lot of the Southern Hills country Club. They've
they've run the US open out of that country club.
That's right, that's like the equivalent of the Brookline Country
Club here in Massachusetts. And Manorana was sitting in a

(17:31):
car waiting for Wheeler to come out. They knew what
he looked like, they knew what the license plate in
his car was. He had the gun. He had a
towel over his right hand, which which probably Wheeler thought, oh,
this is a waiter or someone from the club. Uh.
Manorano tapped on the window and Wheeler turned and the

(17:52):
last thing he saw was the gun. And and then
they they actually shipped the guns to Oklahoma because they
did want to take a chance of driving to Oklahoma
and being pulled over, you know, in some sort of
traffic stop and being found out. So the guns were
shipped by by bus but you know, some sort of

(18:15):
freight wow. And they picked the weapons up in Oklahoma
City in Tulsa, and they did their job. They did
their job very much. Appreciate your comments, Laurie, thank you
so much.

Speaker 9 (18:28):
Yeah, we'll go back to the celebrities. Thank you for
taking my call.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Sure, will as always have a great, have a great
weekend of watching football. They know you're a football fan.
Talk to you soon, car. Oh how about the Red Sox. Hi,
I know you're a huge right.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 9 (18:44):
Yeah, Now I can listen to the next two games
and not pace the whole time.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, they can. They can put out whoever they want there,
Thanks Laurie.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
Exactly six one seven.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
The only line is six one seven nine. We're morphing
into a commentary that last hour but also brushes with celebrity.
Six two, ten thirty is the number. I shouldn't even
get it because those lines are full. If you want
to get through six one seven ninety, we're coming right back.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WAZ Boston's
news radio.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Okay, back to the calls we go. Let's get him
go in here. Let me go to Alex and Millis
Alex next on Nightside.

Speaker 10 (19:28):
Go ahead, Hey, how you doing Dan Alex? You're gonna say,
uh oh, all was good. I ran into a couple
of celebrities. But way back when I was at the
Cheers Bar at the Bull and Finch, Jay Lenno had
done his last show and I had Yeah, I was

(19:50):
able to uh you know, be in the grand stands
I had. They had set up these stands on Beacon
Street and Jay Lenno was there.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
I had.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (20:00):
He was nice enough, he took a picture, you know,
I took a picture with him and back then I
sent it to him and you know, he autographed it
for me. And just recently we uh had gone to Jamaica,
Montego Bay and we ran into U Kyrie Irving's uh aunt.

(20:20):
She was at on the beach and she started talking
and she goes, yeah, he's here for a wedding, for
his niece's wedding. And that that evening, uh, you know,
the wedding was taking place. It was you know, pretty
a lot of security. But the following day my son
was able to take a picture with with Kyrie Irving
uh and his dad. They were playing, uh they were

(20:42):
playing pool water polo in the in the beach on
in the pool.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, I don't know that if Kyrie Irving's aunt is
a celib, but certainly Kyrie Irving is, that's for sure.

Speaker 9 (20:53):
Yes he is.

Speaker 10 (20:53):
Yeah, and his security gud goes, uh, no, no pictures,
no pictures, and Kyrie says to him, that's okay. I
promised these gentlemen. So the guy says, okay, no, no,
no problem. But you know a lot of Jamaicans, a
lot of the Jamaicans didn't know who he was, so
good for him. But when there were some tourists there,
they said, where is he?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Where is he?

Speaker 11 (21:15):
They finally found.

Speaker 10 (21:16):
Out that he was, you know, on the property, and
you know he didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Well, good for you. That's a good celebrity siding. He's
still playing or has he retired?

Speaker 10 (21:27):
I think he's still I think he's sidelined. But uh
that plays for bull be I believe.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh okay, all right, that's a good piece of trivia.
All right, Alex, thank you much. I appreciate your calling.
We'll talk soon. Be well.

Speaker 10 (21:41):
I was going to say, if you want to, if
you want something relaxing, paint your house. That's what I've
been doing.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's relaxing. Don't fall
off the ladder, Alex. I don't want to lose you
as a listener. Thank you, all right, Thank you, Alex,
appreciate it. Let me go. Next. Steve is in Randolph,
Steve welcome next on Nightsiger.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
Right, he'd Steve Dan, how are you.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I'm doing great, thanks for checking in. What's your brushwood celebrity?

Speaker 6 (22:10):
Well, this happened in April of eighty three. I was
making a delivery at Sacks Fifth Avenue and I happened
to go into the area where I had to drop
off some coats and as I came in, the woman
that was in charge of the department said to me,
I want to I want you to meet somebody and

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I want to see if you can guess who it was.
I came in and I looked at her and I
recognized her right away, and I said to myself, how
can I break the ice? You know, because when you
meet somebody, you know, sometimes you know, you don't know
what to say. So I went up to her and
I said to her, you know, tell me, did you
ever find a way to San Jose?

Speaker 8 (22:55):
Now?

Speaker 6 (22:55):
Do you know who it is?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well? Was that Diana Ross who did that?

Speaker 6 (23:00):
No? It was Dion Wallwick Eon Warwick.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Okay find him. Sorry, I knew it was a singer
that started the last day, but yeah, wow, wow, very yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
So I was there and I was talking to her
and I asked her, I said, I said to her,
I said, what were you doing? What are you doing
in Boston? And she said, evidently what happened was and
if you remember correctly, in nineteen eighty two, Tony Canigliaro
suffered a terrible heart attack, yes, sir, And in the

(23:30):
course of his hospitalization he amassed a tremendous amount of
money that you know, he had to pay for his
hospital bill. And when Tony was playing baseball out in
California for the Angels, he happened to be recording music
and he ended up meeting He ended up meeting her,
and they became very friendly and they had a concert

(23:54):
for Tony at the Boston Pops.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I remember that. I do remember that, and I remember
it specifically. I have a friend of mine who had
been a roommate of Tony's, a guy named Bill Bates,
who had been a trainer for the Celtics and the
Patriots and the Milwaukee Bucks, and he was very close
with Tony. And actually I remember going up to visit

(24:20):
Tony at his rehab facility. It was up I believe
it was in Revere. Yeah, before Tony died, obviously, it
was really close to before he died. And when I
walked in the room, it was Tony had aged, you know, terribly.
It was, you know, it was devastating. I mean he

(24:42):
was on the way to Logan Airport. His brother Billy
was driving him and the only thing Billy could think
of was do a U turn and get him to
mass General Hospital.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
But yeah, as a matter of fact, he was coming
into Boston because I get the I guess the position
for the color man for the Red Sox baseball games
was available, and he came into it, I guess to
audition or try to get the job.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, Tony had done some television down in Providence and
he was you know, looking to you know, move on
up and real tragedy. I remember the night it was
Jack Hamilton from the La Angels that that that plucked him.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
And I remember that night because I remember it was
August eighteenth, nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, it was. It was the It was the year
that the Red Sox the Impossible Dream.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
The World Share. Yeah, they won. They won a championship
that year.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, took Bob Gibson and the Cardinals to seven games. Yeah,
Jim Lonberg and Jose Santiago and Gary was Looseky started
Game six. I mean, they did not have a deep
pitching staff. But they made the most of it, that's
for sure. Yeah, that's a that's a great I should
have remembered as Dion Walwick. But absolutely great singer. Boy.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, she's still she's still doing the thing.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Unbelievable, just unbelievable. She's so talented. Steve. I appreciate your call.
Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
Bye bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Okay, what are we doing here? We got two lines
open at six, one, seven, two, four to ten thirty.
Going to go next to Mike and Dallas. Hey, Mike,
welcome back to Nightside. How are you?

Speaker 4 (26:20):
I'm great, Dan, how are you. It's a great show tonight.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Thank you very much. Mike is a law school professor
in Dallas who occasionally checks in. Great to hear your voice.
You want to talk about the last hour or brushes.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
With celebrity, brushes with celebrities? If I could, sure, go
right ahead. So when I was seven years old in
nineteen sixty, I met the Vice president of the United
States and the Republican Canada for President, Richard nixt Wow.
So my parents and I were visiting Washington, d C.
And we were watching We went to the ball game

(26:56):
the Senators were playing Yankees, and if he forgive me,
I was a big Yankee fan at the time. Okay,
I'm a big Yankee fan at the time.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
And how old are you at this time?

Speaker 4 (27:08):
How old seven? I was seven years.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Seven years old. So that was a team with Bill
scour and Bobby Richards and Tony Kopeck, Cleete Boyer, Roger Marris,
Mickey Mantle, Hector Lopez, Elston However, Ralph Terry, Bill Stafford,
hal Renneff, Pete Nicholson, Jim Coates. I could go on

(27:31):
and on, go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
It was great. So the stadium's packed. We have really
good seats, and they were like three vacant seats, maybe
four or five feet from us. Yea in the sixth inning,
maybe the seventh inning. Who should walk in but Richard Nixon.
No one in the stadium sees him or notices him
except one person, my mother, who says, go get his autograph.

(28:00):
And I kind of didn't want to, but she made me,
and I remember walking over there. It's not false memory.
I remember walking over to mister Nixon, and I remember
the Secret Service agents walking towards me, like un buttoning
their jackets, and I thought to myself good, it'll it'll,
it'll show my mother. I'll be I'll be shot. I'll
be shot dead. Here a little Yankee cab will go

(28:21):
luttering out under the field. And he waved them away,
and I said, excuse me, mister Nixon, I'm here with
my parents from Buffalo, New York. Can I have your autograph?
And he was very gracious. He had been still Michael, though,
but he said, two, Michael's in a New York Yankee.
Ure your book, two Michael Richard M. Nixon. And then
he looks at me and he goes, so, young man,

(28:42):
who your parents over there are going to vote for
me or senator to Kennedy. And I had never lied before.
I had not yet had my first communion, I had
not yet gone to confession. And I didn't know what
to do. I mean, there were men with guns. He
was looking at me. There were my parents, and I
was just I was like torn because they were my
parents were Democrats, they were the children of the immigrants.

(29:05):
They were not going to vote for a Republican. They
I had no idea what to do. So I did
what I think any smart seven year old future warrior
would do.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I guess I told him, Richard Nixon right, of course.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
To right in the eye, and I lied, I said,
for you, sir, for you, and he said, good, good,
young man. And of course it's one of my prize possessions.
Is hanging in my office at the wall. Oh wow,
I don't know Nick Richard Nixon is, but but I
love to tell the story. And it's great to tell
it to you tonight.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Oh that's a that is a great story. I've met
and interviewed a lot of presidents. Nixon was a little
bit before my time, but I remember, I remember him
very well, and you know, I remember the night that
he resigned and in August of nineteen seventy four, and
I at the time was very upset with Gerald Ford,

(29:59):
who pardoned, because I was just graduated from law school,
and you know, I was convinced that nobody was above
the law. In retrospect, I think that Ford did the
right thing, because I think the country healed a little
bit post Watergate because of that. But at the time
very upset with it, and it's one of the factors

(30:21):
why I voted for Jimmy Carter in nineteen seventy six.
It was funny, not funny, but I don't know if
you noticed in the paper Sarah Jane Moore, one of
the two women who took pot shots at Gerald Ford
in November of nineteen seventy five in San Francisco, the
other being Squeaky Frome, passed away. They both tried to
kill Jerrold Ford. She passed away at ninety five years

(30:44):
of age. She lived a long life in prison. And
Sarah Jane Moore. I still have no idea why Sarah
Jane Moore wanted to kill Gerard Ford. And one of
the things I have to read is the obituary late
tonight before I go to bed, and hopefully there's some
indication as to what her motive was. But Richard Nixon,

(31:07):
who won that Yankee red that Yankee Senators game that
was old Griffith Stadium.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Right, Yeah, yes, wow, that's amazing. You're to be honest
with you, I don't remember. Yeah, those remember.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
The Senator's a pretty good team at the time. They had,
you know, Frank Howard was there, Jim Lemon, Roy Severs,
Herbie Plues, Eddie Yost I think was the third baseman
for the Senators. I think Earl Battye was was the
catcher for them at the time, and they had great
pitching Camill. They had Camilla Pascual, who I thought was

(31:42):
one of the most underrated pitchers in the American League
because he always had the pitch for the Senators. I
don't know if you remember Pascual, but he was a
Cuban pitcher and he had this twelve six twelve to
six curve ball. It was the best curveball I ever
saw in the Major in the Major leagues. It just
would look like it dropped off the end of the table.
It was unhittable.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
I think Whitey Ford was pitching for the Yankees that night.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah. Wow, boy, those are great memories, just great memories.
How close were your seats to the field and how
close were Nixon? So who had better stat you? Your
parents or Nicks were probably about.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
The same, right, they were about the same because we
were on the on the aisle and then there were
the steps going down.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
Yeah they might have.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
We might have been maybe ten rows back from the
from the field, and then President Nick or Vice President
Nixon was right across the aisle where the steps were,
and those were the three empty seats, and that's where
he was sitting. It was it was not a far walk.
Let me put it you that way.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Mintle hit the longest home run reportedly in Major League
history off of a left handed pitcher for the for
the Senators, guy named Chuck Stobbs, five hundred and sixty
five feet. It's the longest home run I think it's
still the longest home run in history. I think it
even survived the steroid era. Mike, I owe your phone call.

(33:01):
I've got your number and we'll talk off here sometime
in the next few days.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Okay, that'd be great. Have a good evening and good weekend.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Thanks very much, professor, always good to talk with. Think
law school professor. In Dallas, we get great, great callers,
great experiences, and great you know, everyone from Dion Warwick,
Jay Leno, Bill Gates to Richard Nixon. Let's I'm going
to get everybody in here, I promise, And if you
haven't called, I got one line at six, one, seven, two, five, four,

(33:30):
ten thirty. I'll get you into coming back on Nightside.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
We're a little tight on time. I got five callers.
We're going to try to get everybody in. So we
got to be quick and to the point, Tom and
whale and set the pace. Go ahead, Tom, all right, Dan.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
I don't know how many of your listeners will know
this guy, but you will. He's a great, great gentleman
of Presidential Medal, of a Freedom winner and on Baseball
Hall of Famer, and I met him had a softball
at a whiffleball game in Whalen that was for the
Jimmy Fun that I raise the money for the Jimmy Fun.
It's Buck O'Neal.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Sure, Oh my god, the old Negro league player. Yeah, wow?
What year was that?

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Probably two thousand and one. My son was there.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
We took a picture.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
I took a picture of.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
Buck O'Neal and my son holding a picture of Bobby
dre Ted Williams and in the Professor Demajo Wow on
the steps of the They were sitting on the steps
in the forties. And I had to got a picture
at the Hall of Fame that I bought and I
brought it to this whiffle ball game and my son,

(34:41):
Evan and Buck O'Neal. I held the picture and I
took a picture of them, and I still have it.
And I got a autograph and he's a great guy.
I don't know how many of you Wisheners know about him.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Great. He was a catcher, right, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
No, he's a first baseman.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh I'm sorry, Okay, okay, in the city, but I
surely know the name. Boy. I'll tell you just what
a great all those guys would have been, would have been,
you know, incredible major league baseball players. They just were
born a little too early.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
And it was fine. On the nineteen eleven he didn't
make it, but he was. He pushed for the guys
who did it us.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
That's a great one. That is a great one. Tom.
I gotta keep rolling here because I'm trying to give
everybody a little a minute or so. That's all I
can let Well.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
People get the book October nineteen sixty four by David Harvestin.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh, yeah, I know that book. I've read that book.
A great book.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
Yeah, it's a great book. And ken Burn interviewed him
a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Of perfect Tom. Great talking to you, Thanks Tom. Talk
to call again, Cherylyn Arlington, Hi, s Cheryl, you're next
on Night side O.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
Hi.

Speaker 12 (35:51):
Man, So last time I called, I told you I
met Kevin Millar and Derek Lowe up, I remember that call. Yes,
I did, right, and I was going on the cruise
last month, Ruth, Oh my god, amazing, amazing Bronson Arroyo.
You know he has his own band, yes, and I

(36:12):
didn't know that. But he opened for Pearl Gym, which
I don't really know that music much.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
But that's a big, big act open for let me
tell you, I know.

Speaker 12 (36:22):
And he gave us like a thirty minute concert.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
It was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Wad he Where did the trip take you?

Speaker 12 (36:30):
Was the trip just just around the harbor?

Speaker 5 (36:32):
You know?

Speaker 12 (36:33):
It was dinner and just around the harbor. But I
met two great couples, one from Georgia and one from
New Jersey and we're going to meet it spring training
next year. It's oh my god. They were the nicest people.
My my two friends were with me, and oh we
just had the best time. And of course Kevin Malat

(36:54):
is just amazing. I brought the pictures from January and
he autographed them. We all got an autographed baseball of
the three of them, which my granddaughter has in her
room now.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
So Cheff, thanks.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
You know, every periodically I want when we do this,
I want you to call in because you're a baseball
fan and I love those stories. Thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (37:16):
I know, well we're going to see them again in
January at the at the golf tournament again, so we
know we'll see them, so I'll have more stories.

Speaker 8 (37:23):
Thanks.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
I have a great night.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
She appreciate it, all right. I am really going to
crunch my last three call to starting with Edid Marshfield. Ed,
go right ahead, give me your brush with celebrities please.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (37:34):
I used to be a chef way back about forty
years ago, and I used to work at the grill
twenty three and you used to work the chef's days off,
nights off, give him a break, and.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
All right, you gotta, you gotta, I gotta push your hair, Ed,
who's the celebrity?

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (37:50):
And Juliet Child came in unannounced?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Sure, how about that boy?

Speaker 14 (37:55):
Chef meets a chef, Everybody freaking out. I'm all worried
and everything else. But I used to follow her on
TV and read up on her and everything else, and
I said, don't worry, she won't eat the whole meal
and she won't complain.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
You bet you. That's a great one, Thanks Ed. I
got two more. I got to give everybody a shot here.
Thank you so much. Great call. Talk to you soon,
Pete in South Carolina. Pete got about thirty seconds for you.
In thirty seconds for the next call to go ahead, Pete.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Yeah, okay, Danny the best one I ever had. I
can't remember the gentleman's name, but I was flying from
Las Vegas to Philly.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
And you know how you go up to the desk
and say, hey, if she got a seat in first lass,
you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Oh, yeah, so you got your seat. Who do you
think it was?

Speaker 8 (38:45):
I don't know who he was, but he was a
Pearl Harbor survivor over the Arizona.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Wow. Wowat okay, that's.

Speaker 8 (38:51):
Four and a half hours, was like ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Wow boy, that's a great one. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
I sure, yeah, I'm sure he's gone by now, because
that has to be twenty five years ago.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
You bet you, you bet you. Hey, Pete in retrospect,
Happy birthday in July. I've talked to you soon, Okay, Yes.

Speaker 8 (39:08):
I know. We got to make our best.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
All right, Thanks Pete, give me a call, talk to
you later. Last one of the week, Last of the
Night Mike and Alabama. Mike I got thirty seconds for
you and that's it. Go ahead.

Speaker 11 (39:21):
Great weak Dan. Two celebrities Neil Armstrong and Bruce Springsteen,
both through my workplace.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Wow Wow astronaut first man to walk on the moon
and Bruce Wow. I'll tell you we had some great
calls tonight. We had some great calls tonight. Mike. Thank
you so much. Great to hear from you. Stay safe
with your world travels if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (39:44):
Okay, thank you, and hope I can hook up with
Jeff Riley on some of his AI work in the
Middle East.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
You bet you, you bet you. I really enjoyed that
interview this week as well. Thank you. Thank you so much, Mike.
We have done for the week. I want to thank
everyone who listened, particularly those of you who call. I
want to thank Rob Brooks, want to thank Marita. We
had a wild week here. It was a good week.
It was a different week, and we'll be back on
Monday night. I'd like to thank everyone. I hope all

(40:12):
of you have a great weekend wherever you are. If
you're down in the southeast like Pete in South Carolina
and Mike and Alabama, stay dry. You got some weather
coming in down there. In the meantime, all dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven. That's where Mike Pal Charlie
Ray is who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's
where all your pets are. I do believe that. I
do believe that they loved you and you love them,
and I believe you'll see them again, hope to see again.

(40:33):
On Monday night, I will be on night Side Facebook
with Dan Ray in just a couple of minutes. Have
a great weekend everyone, We'll see you Monday.
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