June 14, 2024 • 15 mins
Queensland will play New South Wales in Sydney in the first of three State of Origin games.
Following four losses from the past five series, the NSW Blues have made some big changes. Former Kiwis coach Michael Maguire taking charge and giving debuts to five newcomers tonight.
Nick Hill from Tataki Auckland Unlimited joins Piney on Weekend Sport to discuss the possibility of bringing the competition here.
Hill said “It’s something that’s been talked about for a very long time.”
He said there’s three things we have to get over:
- It would be played on a Wednesday night – late, here in Auckland.
- There’s consent at Eden Park.
- There’s the cost – it's incredibly competitive in Australia, so that number’s really high.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason vine
from Newstalks EDB the scoop from the track, fields and
the court on your home of sport Weekend Sport. Where's
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
There is no greater spectacle annually in Australasian sport than
State of Origin.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Haunch pushes it on.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
He believe is it in his secretary evens he's standing
away the thirty five of thats fine not getting Mary
kicks ahead for touch to run after it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh, the kick was majistic, an extraordinary bit of football
by the by dear old Queensland captain is getting better
by the year.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
How good is he?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, that's from our state of origin this year. Fresh
reports surfacing this week of talks to bring a state
of Origin game to Auckland in twenty twenty seven. This
idea has been bubbling away for a while. There was
plenty of noise about it last year as a wire
of rules warding the Warriors and rugby league fans here
in New Zealand for their sacrifices during the COVID period.
(01:13):
So is this actually a possibility? Tartuki Auckland Unlimited is
Auckland Council's economic and cultural agency charged with maximizing cultural,
social and economic benefits for residents and visitors to the
Auckland region. Chief executive is Nick Hill, who joins us Now, Nick,
thanks for taking the time. How keen are you to
(01:34):
bring State of Origin to Auckland? All right, we don't
have Nick on the air there just at the moment,
so we'll pop them back on hold. Mark maybe trying
do your magic at your end with a fader or
two and we'll try and get Nick on the air
in just a second. I'm here, all right, you are,
We've got you there Nick today. Mate. Sorry, mate, it's
(01:55):
just a case of fat fingers at my end. How
keen are you to bring state of Origin to Auckland?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
It would be fantastic. It's something that has talked and
being talked to about for a very long time. But
it's certainly more perspective now than it has been in
the past.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
How likely do you feel it is that you can
make this happen?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Look, there's three things we have to get over. First
of all, it will have to it'll be played at
their normal time, which is a Wednesday night, and played
it in a window that is there that works in Australia,
so it's going to be late an Augland on a
Wednesday night. To do that, you have to deal with
a consented eden park. There's a way through that, but
(02:40):
we're not there yet. The government's bringing in some legislation
to change the RMA which would give a ministers the
power to grant a consent, so that's the first issue.
The second issue is the cost, what kind of fee
they would want. It's incredibly competitive in Australia for it,
so that number is really high. But the NRL are
(03:02):
genuinely interested in bringing it to Auckland, so we're hopeful
we can do something that is affordable for Auckland. And
to do that, it's got to stack up the economics.
We've got to get enough Australians coming over here to
drive the economics. And then thirdly we have to be
able to fund it, and that really comes down to
(03:23):
the challenge we have around how you fund major events
and Aucklaman on the New Zealand and right now we
have a substantially smaller budget than we did before COVID
that the mayor is clear that there are ways to
solve this, and you need something like the visiculity to
do that. So those are the three things. All of
them are solvable, and the conversations with the NRL are
(03:45):
very constructive.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All right, I want to go through them with you.
SOO point two and three the cost of getting it
here and then funding it, are they not the same thing?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well, you've got to get a price where the economics
stack up. So what is the fee that if you
could pay it it would be worthwhile doing for the
benefits that we get. So you know, in Australia, the
States pay a lot of money for events. Western Australia
in particular has huge budgets. They've got a new stadium
and they're pouring money into events over there. They are
(04:20):
reputed to spend five million dollars to get Cold Play
to go there. So they're spending large money in a
state of origin. I think they've agreed in twenty six
it will go to Perth because they're paying them such
big money. We can't do that. It doesn't stack up
to pay the sort of money in Auckland. But if
(04:40):
we can get a price that stacks up, then we'd
be already keen. But then we have to find the
money to pay it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I see, I see. Do you get the feeling that
they want to make this happen that you know, I
know that money often overrides everything neck, but do you
get the feeling there is a will to make this
happen to have origin in New Zealand on the behalf
of those who run it in Australia.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I've no doubt the NRL have got a strategy to
grow the game. They part of that strategy is their
development of that that early game in Las Vegas. All
of that is about expanding what they call expanding west
as very commercial, but they've also got a strategy to
grow it at community and at at club level. And
(05:26):
when you look at it that way, Auckland is enormously
attractive and ticks a lot of boxes, and they are
very keen to do that. They're very patient, They're pretty
sophisticated in the way they're thinking about the game. The
wealthy so they will see this being what's using what
they call their tent pole event, having one of those
(05:49):
in Auckland, and indeed there are there are other events
that they have which would be you know, would be
good to try to get to Auckland, So you know,
I think it's it's very we're very optimistic about what
NRL can do in terms of bringing big content to Eakland.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Let's talk about the late kickoff time to match up
with the optimum broadcast window in Australia. You talked about
the consent needed at eden Park and the legislation that
might be going through to allow that to happen. Can
you give us a bit more detail on that.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I'm probably not the right person in the sense that
it takes you into all of the laws around planning
and the regulations. But then the eden Park needs a
consent to operate events at night. It has quite a
lot of constraints around how it's used. We're very supportive
of the work that Nick Suorton has been doing with
(06:45):
eden Park to really expand how much it can be used.
It's a really important asset for the city and the country.
But the Resource Management Act sets the rules on all
of that and who can make those decisions. But the
government has introduced some legislation which allows them to fast
track these sorts of decisions, and from our understanding, the
(07:05):
way it's written, it would allow ministers to make a
decision that would allow us something to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Would there be any other challenges around I mean nine
point thirty is probably optimistic. I know they have all
sorts of pregame pageantry. So we're talking about a ten
o'clock kickoff on a Wednesday night, probably, Nick, are there
other challenges around that?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I think you know, it's really irrespective of the rules
and the law, you really want to have the the
residents onside. And again I NIXEDWN a fantastic job in
building those relationships and working with the residents so that
they they feel that it's not unduly imposing on them.
You need to have people prepared to go to a
(07:52):
game at ten o'clock at night. There's transport issues, there's
all the usual logistics. Just probably made a little bit
more challenging by being a little bit later. But I
think the FIAF for World Cup last year, the kickoffs
were pretty late, not say it's ten, but and that
that worked, okay. I think the prime the prime issue
is the regulatory one and and the fact that's in
(08:13):
the middle of the week.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Hm. Would you would you need central government funding for this?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
It would certainly help either central government funding or we
need a mechanism like visitor levy, which has been a
lot of discussion going on about. I think the industry,
particularly in Auckland, now largely lining up behind putting supporting
a mechanism or should allow small charge on a hotel
(08:45):
and an Airbnb account which would go into a plot
which would then be spent for major events and for
tourism marketing in the city. So you know, we're we're
very teen that mayors very explicitly supporting this and driving it.
The industry is crying out for events were a major
(09:06):
issue with seasonality and at a lot of new hotels
came in just before COVID ahead of APEC and America's Cup.
They're all struggling. There's a lot of capacity. It's really
tough in winter. We really need to build up our
winter event portfolio, whether that's musicals, whether that's a state
(09:30):
of Origin, whether that's you know, Picasso at the Art Gallery.
There's a real need for the economy and Orkan for
that to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
You mentioned Wayan Brown a couple of times. How important
does the mayor's support.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
It's really important. It's really important for all of the council,
but particularly the leadership of the mayor. He's quite explicit
on all of this. I think he's come in and
becoming a very strong advocate for the importance of major
events in the city. But you know what he's said
to me is I think major events are really important.
It's not my fault. There's no money in the coffers
to pay for them. And we need a much more
(10:07):
sustainable way of being able to fund this stuff because
you know, a lot of this stuff is years out.
Twenty seven is not that far out to be looking
to secure something, So you need to have confidence you've
got a funding mechanism to ensure you can commit to
these these sorts of events. And you know, Auckland leading
(10:27):
into twenty twenty one had become exceptionally successful at running events.
Ever since that first Rugby World that Rugby Will Cup
in twenty eleven, there's been that there was developed a
lot of capability. We've had a lot of great events
like World Masters Games, you know, right through to FIFA.
(10:49):
The impact that that has had on the city in
the country last year was significant, but you you know,
the ability to do that now is much more compromised
than it was back before COVID right.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Who are the opponent to this?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
The issue I've been working on this through one now.
I don't think there are a lot of real opponents.
I think the issue is getting everyone to agree on
what the right answer is, and that that's more that's
more problematic because everyone want to tweak it to their benefit,
and if you're a politician, you'll go as to complicated.
(11:31):
I can't agree. So the key to it is to
have a really simple model that everyone agrees that that
they can get behind and will want to want to
make it work. And I think we're getting pretty close
to that. I know the the government and other political
leaders are very supportive, but you know, there are also
(11:55):
other political considerations, like people say, we don't want any
new taxes, and so it's helping to get people to
understand that this is closer to a user charge than
a tax. You're basically having the industry raise money through
a charge on a bill to go into pull a
pot to then spend on major events which then benefit
(12:17):
that industry. So it's kind of the industry funding itself
to grow. That's the way that I look at.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It, and I argue for it, and as far as
people coming into the city and spending their dollars on
hospitality and other bits and pieces in the Auckland region.
Let's say, if we look at the capacity of Eden
Park as let's just call it around number fifty thousand,
how many of that fifty thousand capacity would need to
come from outside of Auckland.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
That's a good question. I think I'm going to the
top of my headships. I don't have the numbers of frontically,
you know, a good twenty five percent of that, if
not more. We think about it in terms of dead nights, yes,
and right now we've got the World Choir Games kicking
(13:08):
off in the big Government of July that once in
days it will generate eleven thousand bed nights, and that's
a decent number that really does make a difference to
your condomy. We've got an all black test obviously, is
something that has a big impact on bed nights. So
(13:32):
you know, I think you're probably talking in the order
of sort of fifteen twenty thousand people from offshore or
from out of Auckland spending money to come into the
city for a night, hopefully two or three nights, and
that really supports our hospitality, retail and all of those
(13:54):
other businesses.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That feels realistic, doesn't it?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It is? It is. I mean I wouldn't be saying
these things to you if I didn't think this was doable.
It's not to say that it will happen. There are
things we have to get lined up, as I've said,
and all of them are actually quite big challenges. But
on all of them there are there is really there
are answers, and you know, I'm hopeful that we can
(14:25):
get to it. But the clock sticking, you know, and
that's the issue. A few of the NRL they have
any of options, they don't have to do it to
bring it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
To walk to Awkland, Well, that's probably quite a natural
way to finish there, Nick, What is your time frame here?
When do you have to get everybody aligned and make
some sort of pitch to the NRL on this.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Look, I don't I don't have a firm date on
what that is at. We've had some pretty constructive discussions,
but you know they will I don't know when they
need to look at them, to be honest. So we
need to do this as fast as we can, and
they're all quite big things to line up.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Optimistic. Do you feel on a scala one to ten.
I'm not going to hold you to it next, don't worry.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
It's a beautiful day and welcome today standing looking out
over the Honky Golf which is sparkling and blue, so
it's more than five.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Good man, Nick, Great to Tetty. Thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
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from Newstalks EDB the scoop from the track, fields and
the court on your home of sport Weekend Sport. Where's
Jason Vine us talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
There is no greater spectacle annually in Australasian sport than
State of Origin.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Haunch pushes it on.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
He believe is it in his secretary evens he's standing
away the thirty five of thats fine not getting Mary
kicks ahead for touch to run after it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh, the kick was majistic, an extraordinary bit of football
by the by dear old Queensland captain is getting better
by the year.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
How good is he?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, that's from our state of origin this year. Fresh
reports surfacing this week of talks to bring a state
of Origin game to Auckland in twenty twenty seven. This
idea has been bubbling away for a while. There was
plenty of noise about it last year as a wire
of rules warding the Warriors and rugby league fans here
in New Zealand for their sacrifices during the COVID period.
(01:13):
So is this actually a possibility? Tartuki Auckland Unlimited is
Auckland Council's economic and cultural agency charged with maximizing cultural,
social and economic benefits for residents and visitors to the
Auckland region. Chief executive is Nick Hill, who joins us Now, Nick,
thanks for taking the time. How keen are you to
(01:34):
bring State of Origin to Auckland? All right, we don't
have Nick on the air there just at the moment,
so we'll pop them back on hold. Mark maybe trying
do your magic at your end with a fader or
two and we'll try and get Nick on the air
in just a second. I'm here, all right, you are,
We've got you there Nick today. Mate. Sorry, mate, it's
(01:55):
just a case of fat fingers at my end. How
keen are you to bring state of Origin to Auckland?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
It would be fantastic. It's something that has talked and
being talked to about for a very long time. But
it's certainly more perspective now than it has been in
the past.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
How likely do you feel it is that you can
make this happen?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Look, there's three things we have to get over. First
of all, it will have to it'll be played at
their normal time, which is a Wednesday night, and played
it in a window that is there that works in Australia,
so it's going to be late an Augland on a
Wednesday night. To do that, you have to deal with
a consented eden park. There's a way through that, but
(02:40):
we're not there yet. The government's bringing in some legislation
to change the RMA which would give a ministers the
power to grant a consent, so that's the first issue.
The second issue is the cost, what kind of fee
they would want. It's incredibly competitive in Australia for it,
so that number is really high. But the NRL are
(03:02):
genuinely interested in bringing it to Auckland, so we're hopeful
we can do something that is affordable for Auckland. And
to do that, it's got to stack up the economics.
We've got to get enough Australians coming over here to
drive the economics. And then thirdly we have to be
able to fund it, and that really comes down to
(03:23):
the challenge we have around how you fund major events
and Aucklaman on the New Zealand and right now we
have a substantially smaller budget than we did before COVID
that the mayor is clear that there are ways to
solve this, and you need something like the visiculity to
do that. So those are the three things. All of
them are solvable, and the conversations with the NRL are
(03:45):
very constructive.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All right, I want to go through them with you.
SOO point two and three the cost of getting it
here and then funding it, are they not the same thing?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well, you've got to get a price where the economics
stack up. So what is the fee that if you
could pay it it would be worthwhile doing for the
benefits that we get. So you know, in Australia, the
States pay a lot of money for events. Western Australia
in particular has huge budgets. They've got a new stadium
and they're pouring money into events over there. They are
(04:20):
reputed to spend five million dollars to get Cold Play
to go there. So they're spending large money in a
state of origin. I think they've agreed in twenty six
it will go to Perth because they're paying them such
big money. We can't do that. It doesn't stack up
to pay the sort of money in Auckland. But if
(04:40):
we can get a price that stacks up, then we'd
be already keen. But then we have to find the
money to pay it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I see, I see. Do you get the feeling that
they want to make this happen that you know, I
know that money often overrides everything neck, but do you
get the feeling there is a will to make this
happen to have origin in New Zealand on the behalf
of those who run it in Australia.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I've no doubt the NRL have got a strategy to
grow the game. They part of that strategy is their
development of that that early game in Las Vegas. All
of that is about expanding what they call expanding west
as very commercial, but they've also got a strategy to
grow it at community and at at club level. And
(05:26):
when you look at it that way, Auckland is enormously
attractive and ticks a lot of boxes, and they are
very keen to do that. They're very patient, They're pretty
sophisticated in the way they're thinking about the game. The
wealthy so they will see this being what's using what
they call their tent pole event, having one of those
(05:49):
in Auckland, and indeed there are there are other events
that they have which would be you know, would be
good to try to get to Auckland, So you know,
I think it's it's very we're very optimistic about what
NRL can do in terms of bringing big content to Eakland.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Let's talk about the late kickoff time to match up
with the optimum broadcast window in Australia. You talked about
the consent needed at eden Park and the legislation that
might be going through to allow that to happen. Can
you give us a bit more detail on that.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I'm probably not the right person in the sense that
it takes you into all of the laws around planning
and the regulations. But then the eden Park needs a
consent to operate events at night. It has quite a
lot of constraints around how it's used. We're very supportive
of the work that Nick Suorton has been doing with
(06:45):
eden Park to really expand how much it can be used.
It's a really important asset for the city and the country.
But the Resource Management Act sets the rules on all
of that and who can make those decisions. But the
government has introduced some legislation which allows them to fast
track these sorts of decisions, and from our understanding, the
(07:05):
way it's written, it would allow ministers to make a
decision that would allow us something to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Would there be any other challenges around I mean nine
point thirty is probably optimistic. I know they have all
sorts of pregame pageantry. So we're talking about a ten
o'clock kickoff on a Wednesday night, probably, Nick, are there
other challenges around that?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I think you know, it's really irrespective of the rules
and the law, you really want to have the the
residents onside. And again I NIXEDWN a fantastic job in
building those relationships and working with the residents so that
they they feel that it's not unduly imposing on them.
You need to have people prepared to go to a
(07:52):
game at ten o'clock at night. There's transport issues, there's
all the usual logistics. Just probably made a little bit
more challenging by being a little bit later. But I
think the FIAF for World Cup last year, the kickoffs
were pretty late, not say it's ten, but and that
that worked, okay. I think the prime the prime issue
is the regulatory one and and the fact that's in
(08:13):
the middle of the week.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Hm. Would you would you need central government funding for this?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
It would certainly help either central government funding or we
need a mechanism like visitor levy, which has been a
lot of discussion going on about. I think the industry,
particularly in Auckland, now largely lining up behind putting supporting
a mechanism or should allow small charge on a hotel
(08:45):
and an Airbnb account which would go into a plot
which would then be spent for major events and for
tourism marketing in the city. So you know, we're we're
very teen that mayors very explicitly supporting this and driving it.
The industry is crying out for events were a major
(09:06):
issue with seasonality and at a lot of new hotels
came in just before COVID ahead of APEC and America's Cup.
They're all struggling. There's a lot of capacity. It's really
tough in winter. We really need to build up our
winter event portfolio, whether that's musicals, whether that's a state
(09:30):
of Origin, whether that's you know, Picasso at the Art Gallery.
There's a real need for the economy and Orkan for
that to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
You mentioned Wayan Brown a couple of times. How important
does the mayor's support.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
It's really important. It's really important for all of the council,
but particularly the leadership of the mayor. He's quite explicit
on all of this. I think he's come in and
becoming a very strong advocate for the importance of major
events in the city. But you know what he's said
to me is I think major events are really important.
It's not my fault. There's no money in the coffers
to pay for them. And we need a much more
(10:07):
sustainable way of being able to fund this stuff because
you know, a lot of this stuff is years out.
Twenty seven is not that far out to be looking
to secure something, So you need to have confidence you've
got a funding mechanism to ensure you can commit to
these these sorts of events. And you know, Auckland leading
(10:27):
into twenty twenty one had become exceptionally successful at running events.
Ever since that first Rugby World that Rugby Will Cup
in twenty eleven, there's been that there was developed a
lot of capability. We've had a lot of great events
like World Masters Games, you know, right through to FIFA.
(10:49):
The impact that that has had on the city in
the country last year was significant, but you you know,
the ability to do that now is much more compromised
than it was back before COVID right.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Who are the opponent to this?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
The issue I've been working on this through one now.
I don't think there are a lot of real opponents.
I think the issue is getting everyone to agree on
what the right answer is, and that that's more that's
more problematic because everyone want to tweak it to their benefit,
and if you're a politician, you'll go as to complicated.
(11:31):
I can't agree. So the key to it is to
have a really simple model that everyone agrees that that
they can get behind and will want to want to
make it work. And I think we're getting pretty close
to that. I know the the government and other political
leaders are very supportive, but you know, there are also
(11:55):
other political considerations, like people say, we don't want any
new taxes, and so it's helping to get people to
understand that this is closer to a user charge than
a tax. You're basically having the industry raise money through
a charge on a bill to go into pull a
pot to then spend on major events which then benefit
(12:17):
that industry. So it's kind of the industry funding itself
to grow. That's the way that I look at.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It, and I argue for it, and as far as
people coming into the city and spending their dollars on
hospitality and other bits and pieces in the Auckland region.
Let's say, if we look at the capacity of Eden
Park as let's just call it around number fifty thousand,
how many of that fifty thousand capacity would need to
come from outside of Auckland.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
That's a good question. I think I'm going to the
top of my headships. I don't have the numbers of frontically,
you know, a good twenty five percent of that, if
not more. We think about it in terms of dead nights, yes,
and right now we've got the World Choir Games kicking
(13:08):
off in the big Government of July that once in
days it will generate eleven thousand bed nights, and that's
a decent number that really does make a difference to
your condomy. We've got an all black test obviously, is
something that has a big impact on bed nights. So
(13:32):
you know, I think you're probably talking in the order
of sort of fifteen twenty thousand people from offshore or
from out of Auckland spending money to come into the
city for a night, hopefully two or three nights, and
that really supports our hospitality, retail and all of those
(13:54):
other businesses.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That feels realistic, doesn't it?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It is? It is. I mean I wouldn't be saying
these things to you if I didn't think this was doable.
It's not to say that it will happen. There are
things we have to get lined up, as I've said,
and all of them are actually quite big challenges. But
on all of them there are there is really there
are answers, and you know, I'm hopeful that we can
(14:25):
get to it. But the clock sticking, you know, and
that's the issue. A few of the NRL they have
any of options, they don't have to do it to
bring it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
To walk to Awkland, Well, that's probably quite a natural
way to finish there, Nick, What is your time frame here?
When do you have to get everybody aligned and make
some sort of pitch to the NRL on this.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Look, I don't I don't have a firm date on
what that is at. We've had some pretty constructive discussions,
but you know they will I don't know when they
need to look at them, to be honest. So we
need to do this as fast as we can, and
they're all quite big things to line up.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Optimistic. Do you feel on a scala one to ten.
I'm not going to hold you to it next, don't worry.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
It's a beautiful day and welcome today standing looking out
over the Honky Golf which is sparkling and blue, so
it's more than five.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Good man, Nick, Great to Tetty. Thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
All right, thank you for more from Weekend Sport with
Jason Fine. Listen live to News Talk zed B weekends
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