Full Show Podcast: 15 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Calling Good afternoon and welcome into a new weekend and
to a fresh edition on Saturday of Weekend Sport. It
is June fifteenth. I'm Jason Pine, Mark Kelly's show producer.
Today we're here talking sport with you until three o'clock
this afternoon. The Blues are into the Super Rugby Final.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
And the Blues well head to the big dance next
weekends against either the Hurricanes or the Cheeks. Thirty four
to twenty, the Blues beat the Brombies and punch their
ticket to the Super Rugby Pacific Grand Final.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, but of a cruise for the Blues last night,
assistant coach Paul Tito in the next half hour, so
to wrap this one for us, there went over the Brumby's.
Blues fans. Feel free to luxuriate in your second Grand
Final in three years if you'd like to. This afternoon,
the second semi final is this afternoon in Wellington Hurricanes
v Chiefs. Absolutely fascinating clash in prospect, bit of a

(01:26):
coin flip. Great one for the neutral, very nervous for
those of us who aren't neutrals. Hurricanes Lucy Duplici Kadifi
and Chiefs winger at Tenny Nanisatuto with us after one
o'clock and your thoughts, your hopes, your fears, your dreams,
your predictions are welcome on this one as well. Who
will be facing the Blues in the Super Rugby Grand

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Final a week tonight? Letting us off today though the
growing calls for a State of Origin game to be
played in New Zealand. Is this actually a possibility and
what are the obstacles to overcome if it is to
become reality? TARTUCKI Auckland Unlimited Chief executive Nick Hill. It
will be with us shortly. Your thoughts on this warmly

(02:07):
encouraged as well. How attractive a proposition is watching State
of Origin here in New Zealand? Other matters around today.
Massive game of rugby league tonight at a sold out
mount Smart Stadium, Warriors v. Storm, Warrior's Second Row with
Jackson Ford on the show as the home side looks
to break a windless streak against the Melbourne Storm that
stretches all the way back to twenty fifteen. Well halfway

(02:30):
through Golf's US Open at Pinehurst number two, Sweden's Ludwig
o Berg has a one shot clubhouse lead at five under,
ahead of a chasing pack of a bunch of players
including in fact, I was going to say.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Including Rory mclorry.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
He's actually a shot further back on three under golf
Gero Mike Clayton with us after two on that and
veteran's cricket is growing here in New Zealand. We have
a team headed to the over seventies World Cup in.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
England next month.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Hopefully they'll do better than the Black Caps of the
T twenty World Cup. Going to cover that off Adam
Peacock along talking Australian Sport in his regular slot Live
Sport this afternoon. The CAP's about to get underway against
Uganda at the T twenty World Cup. Of course they
can't make the Super eights now, so playing only for pride.
We'll keep very close tabs on that for you. South
Africa and Nepal also in action and in the NBA

(03:20):
Finals Game four between the Celtics and the Mavericks and
Dallas tipping off around twelve thirty. The Celtics can win
the NBA Championship with victory today round three in Football's
Chatham Cup, as well a bunch of games to keep
an eye on up and down the country. You can
get in touch with us whenever you're like, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty gets you throw on the phone
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Speaker 4 (03:47):
Just gone ten past midday.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
The school from the.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Trag field and the court on your home of sport
Weekend Sport with Jason Vine Us Talks NB.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
There is no greater spectacle annually in Australasian sport than
State of Origin.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Hans pushes it on you.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
The lives it in his Secretariams. He's scanting along the
thirty five of Thos kind of getting very kicks, advertage
to run after him.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Oh the chick was majistic, had extraordinary been a.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Football by the pieces.

Speaker 7 (04:25):
Five year old Queensland captain to get better.

Speaker 8 (04:28):
By the year.

Speaker 9 (04:29):
How good is he?

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well, that's from State of Origin this year.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Fresh reports surfacing this week of talks to bring a
State of Origin game to Auckland in twenty twenty seven.
This idea has been bubbling away for a while. There
was plenty of noise about it last year as a
way of rewarding the Warriors and rugby league fans here
in New Zealand for their sacrifices during the COVID period.

(04:53):
So is this actually a possibility? Tatucki Auckland Unlimited is
Auckland Council's economic and cultural agency charged with maximizing cultural,
social and economic benefits for residents and visitors to the
Auckland region. Chief executive is Nick Hill, who joins us now, Nick,

(05:14):
thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
How keen are you to bring State of Origin to Aalkland?

Speaker 9 (05:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
We don't have Nick on the air there just at
the moment, so we'll pop them back on hold. Mark
maybe trying do your magic at your end with a
fader or two and we'll try and get Nick on
the air in just a second. I'm here, all right,
you are, We've got you there, Nick, giddy mate. Sorry mate,
it's just a case of fat fingers at my end.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
How keen. Are you to bring State of Origin to Aalkland.

Speaker 10 (05:43):
It would be fantastic. It's something that has talked and
been talked about for a very long time, but it's
certainly more perspective now than it has been.

Speaker 11 (05:52):
In the past.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
How likely do you feel it is that you can
make this happen.

Speaker 10 (05:58):
Look, there's three things we have to get over. First
of all, it will have to it'll be played at
the normal time, which is a Wednesday night, and in
a window that is there that works in Australia, so
it's going to be late an Augland on a Wednesday night.
To do that, you have to deal with a consented
even park. There's a way through that, but we're not

(06:22):
there yet. The government's bringing in some legislation to change
the RNA which would give ministers the power to grant a.

Speaker 9 (06:28):
Consent, So that's the first issue.

Speaker 10 (06:30):
The second issue is the cost, what kind of fee
they would want. It's incredibly competitive in Australia for it,
so that number is really high. But the NRL are
genuinely interested in bringing it to Auckland, so we're hopeful
we can do something that is affordable for Auckland. And

(06:51):
to do that it's got to stack up the economics.
We've got to get enough Australians coming over here to
drive the economics. And then thirdly we have to be
able to fund it. And that really comes down to
the challenge we have around how you find major events
and augment on New Zealand. And right now we have
a substantially smaller budget than we did before COVID that

(07:14):
the mayor is clear that there are ways to solve
this and you need something like a visical levey to
do that. So those are the three things. All of
them are solvable and the conversations with the NRL are
very constructive.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
All right, I want to go through them with you.
So zero point two and three the cost of getting
it here and then funding it, are they not the
same thing?

Speaker 10 (07:39):
Well, you've got to get a price where the economics
stack up. So what is the fee that if you
could pay it it would be worthwhile doing for the
benefits that we get. So you know, in Australia, the
States pay a lot of money for events. Western Australia
in particular has huge budgets. They've got a new stadium
and they're pouring money into events over there. They are

(08:01):
reputed to spend five million dollars to get Cold Play
to go there. They're they're spending large money and at
date of origin I think they've agreed in twenty six
it will go to Perth because they're paying them such
big money. We can't do that. It doesn't stack up
to pay the sort of money in Auckland. But if

(08:21):
we can get a price that stacks up, then we'd
be already keen. But then we have to find the
money to pay it.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
I see, I see.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Do you get the feeling that they want to make
this happen that you know, I know that money often
overrides everything neck, but do you get the feeling there
is a will to make this happen to have origin
in New Zealand on the behalf of those who run
it in Australia.

Speaker 10 (08:44):
I've no doubt the NRL have got a strategy to
grow the game. The part of that strategy is their
development of that early game in Las Vegas. All of
that is about expanding what they call expanding west and
very commercial. But they've also got a strategy to grow
it at community and at level. And when you look

(09:08):
at it that way, Auckland is enormously attractive and ticks
a lot of boxes, and they're very keen to do that.
They're very patient, they're pretty sophisticated in the way they're
thinking about the game. The wealthy, so they will see
this being what's using what they call their tent pole event,

(09:30):
having one of those in Auckland, and indeed there are
there are other events that they have which would be
you know, would be good to try to get to Auckland. So,
you know, I think it's it's very we're very optimistic
about what NRL can do in terms of bringing big
content to Auckland.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Let's talk about the late kickoff time to match up
with the optimum broadcast window in Australia. You talked about
the consent needed at Eden Park and the legislation that
might be going through to allow that to happen.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Can you give us a bit more detail on that.

Speaker 10 (10:04):
I'm really I'm probably not the right person the sense
that it takes you into all of the rules around
planning and the regulations. But then the eden Park needs
a consent to operate events at night. It has quite
a lot of constraints around how it's used. We're very
supportive of the work that Nick Suorton has been doing

(10:26):
with Eden Park to really expand how much it can
be used. It's a really important asset for the city
and the country. But the Resource Management Act sets the
rules on all of that and who can make those decisions.
But the government has introduced some legislation which allows them
to fast track these sorts of decisions, and from our

(10:46):
understanding the way it's written, it would allow ministers to
make a decision they would allow this event to happen.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Would there be any other challenges around I mean nine
point thirty is probably optimistic. I know they have all
sorts of pregame pageantry, so we're talking about a ten
o'clock kickoff on a Wednesday night. Probably, Nick, are there
other challenges around that?

Speaker 8 (11:10):
Well?

Speaker 10 (11:10):
I think it's you know, it's really irrespective of the
rules and the law. You really want to have the
the residents on side. And again I mixed on a
fantastic job in building those relationships and working with the
residents so that they they feel that it's not unduly
imposing on them.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
You need to.

Speaker 10 (11:32):
Have people prepared to go to a game at ten
o'clock at night. There's transport issues, there's all the usual logistics,
just probably made a little bit more challenging by being
a little bit later. But I think the FEAF for
World Cup last year, the kickoffs are pretty late. Not
say it's ten but and that that worked, okay. I
think the prime the prime issue is the regulator one

(11:54):
and and the fact that's in the middle of the week.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Would you would you need central government funding for this?

Speaker 10 (12:03):
It would certainly help be the central and funding, or
we need a mechanism like a visitor levy, which there
has been a lot of discussion going on about. I
think the industry, particularly in Auckland, now largely lining up
behind putting supporting a mechanism which would allow small charge

(12:25):
on a hotel and an Airbnb account which would go
into a plot which would then be spent for major
events and for tourism marketing in the city. So you know,
we're very keen that mayors very explicitly supporting this and
driving it. The industry is crying out for events. We

(12:47):
have a major issue with seasonality in Akland. A lot
of new hotels came in just before COVID ahead of
APEC and America's Cup. They are all struggling there's a
lot of capacity. It's really tough in winter. We really
need to build up our winter event portfolio. Whether that's musicals,

(13:10):
whether that's a State of Origin, whether that's Picasso at
the Art Gallery. There's a real need for the economy
and orme for that to happen.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
You mentioned Wyan Brown a couple of times. How important
does the mayor's support.

Speaker 10 (13:26):
It's really important. It's really important for all of the council,
but particularly the leadership of the mayor. He's quite explicit
on all of this. I think he's come in and
becoming a very strong advocates for the importance of major
events in the city. But you know what he's said
to me is, I think major events are really important.

Speaker 12 (13:44):
It's not my fault.

Speaker 10 (13:44):
There's no money in the coffers to pay for them,
and so we need a much more sustainable way of
being able to fund the stuff because you know, a
lot of this stuff is years out. Twenty seven is
not that far out to be looking to secure something,
So you need to have confidence you've got a funding
mechanism to ensure you can commit to the these sorts

(14:07):
of events. And you know Auckland leading into twenty twenty
one had become exceptionally successful at running events. Ever since
that first Rugby World that Rugby World Cup in twenty eleven,
there's been there was developed a lot of capability. We've
had a lot of great events like World Masters Games,

(14:29):
you know, right through to FIFA. The impact that that
has had on the city in the country last year
was significant. But you you know, the ability to do
that now as much more compromised than it was back before.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
COVID, Right, Who who are the opponents to this?

Speaker 10 (14:53):
Yeah, I've been working on this for a while now.
I don't think there are a lot of real opponents.
I think the issue is every getting everyone to agree
on what the right answer is, and that's that's more
that's more problematic because everyone want to tweak it to
their benefit, and if you're a politician, your go is
to complicated. They can't agree. So the key to it

(15:16):
is to have a really simple model that everyone agrees
that they can get behind and will want to want
to make it work. And I think we're getting pretty
close to that. I know the government and other political
leaders are very supportive, but you know, there are also

(15:36):
other political considerations, like people say we don't want any
new taxes, and so it's helping to get people to
understand that this is closer to a user charge than
a tax. You're basically having the industry raise money through
a charge on a bill to go into pull a
pot to then spend on major events which then benefit

(15:59):
that industry. So it's kind of the industry funding itself
to grow. That's the way that I look at it
and I argue for it.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
And as far as people coming into the city and
spending their dollars on hospitality and other bits and pieces
in the Auckland region, Let's say if we look at
the capacity of Eden Park as let's just call it
around number fifty thousand, how many of that fifty thousand
capacity would need to come from outside of Auckland.

Speaker 10 (16:26):
That's a good question. I think we I'm going from
the top of my headships. I don't have the numbers
of front of me, but you know, a good twenty
five percent of that, if not more. We think about
it in terms of dead nights, yes, and so right

(16:48):
now we've got the World Choir Games kicking off in
the big even of July and that once ten days
it will generate eleven thousand bed nights and that that's
a that's a decent number that really does make a
difference to the economy. We've got an all black test
obviously is something that has a big impact on bed nights.

(17:13):
So you know, I think you're probably talking in the
order of sort of fifteen twenty thousand people from offshore
or from out of Auckland spending money to come into
the city for a night, hopefully two or three nights,
and that really supports our hospitality, retail and all of

(17:35):
those other businesses.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
That feels realistic, doesn't.

Speaker 10 (17:38):
It It is? It is. I mean, I wouldn't be
saying these things to you if I didn't think this
was doable. It's not to say that it will happen.
There are things we have to get lined up, as
I've said, and all of them are actually quite big challenges.
But on all of them there is really there are answers,

(18:00):
and you know, I'm hopeful that we can get to it.
But the clock sticking, you know, and that's the issue.
A few of the NRL they have many of options.
They don't have to do it.

Speaker 11 (18:14):
To bring it to Auckland.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, that's probably quite a natural way to finish there, Nick,
What is your time frame here? When do you have
to get everybody aligned and make some sort of pitch
to the NRL on.

Speaker 10 (18:25):
This look, I don't I don't have a firm date
on what that is at. We've had some pretty constructive discussions,
but you know they will I don't know when they
need to look at them, to be honest. So we
need to do this as fast as we can, and
they're all quite big things to line up.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
How optimistic do you feel on a scale of one
to ten. I'm not going to hold you to it next,
don't worry.

Speaker 13 (18:54):
It's a beautiful day in Aukland today, standing looking out
over the Honoky Golf which is sparkling and blue, so
it's more than five.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Good man, great to chat to you, mate, Thanks for
taking the time, all right, thank you all the best.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Nick Hill.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
There joining us sees the chief executive of Tatucki Auckland Unlimited.
That's the economic and cultural agency in the region charged
with maximizing cultural, social and economic benefits for residents and visitors.
You've heard from Nick Hill. Your chance to react now,
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty want to get
your gauge on this very keen to gauge your thoughts

(19:33):
on a couple of things. First of all, how attractive
is the proposition of State of Origin at Eden Park.
Let's say this does come off. Would you head along?
Would you head along at nine thirty on a Wednesday night?
And if you're outside of the Auckland region, would you
make a trip of it? How likely is it that

(19:54):
you would want to tick this off your bucket list?
I know a lot of people. You know it's only
a short flight to Australia, isn't it. A lot of
people have been to Origin and in fact, if you have,
I'm keen to hear from you as well about how
cool the occasion is. It looks magnificent on TV. What
is it like to be a part of a State
of Origin crowd? And if that was to become a
reality here in New Zealand, how likely would you be

(20:17):
to make a trip of it? To become one of
those bad nights that Nick Hill talked about. To add
your investment into the hospitality and retail cent in Auckland
and Auckland, is is there something you'd get along to?
There seems to be this idea that the residents would
not be keen the Eden Park residents, but I have

(20:39):
kind of got the feeling recently that they are a
bit more they are a bit more okay with things
now that go later. A sports crowd turning up for
a nine to thirty kickoff, it brings with it its
own challenges, of course, particularly around what they do and
the lead up to the game. I know that even

(21:00):
when we've had eight o'clock kickoffs for certain sports, doesn't
matter what the sport is, but the crowd tends to
who you know, start to gather at establishments in and
around the venue sort of around lunchtime early afternoon. So
if you've got eight or nine hours of un less,
I've bet around the bush pre loading. I wonder what

(21:22):
that does to an occasion.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
I don't know. I might be I might be way off.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
But your thoughts are welcome on this eight hundred eighty
ten eighty nine two nine two. If you would prefer
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Speaker 2 (21:50):
EDB twenty nine away from one are your thoughts welcome
on state of origin to Auckland, State of origin to
New Zealand full stop. Something you'd be keen on O
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How likely do you think
it is? Heaps on text here, But if you want
to make your point, there is a spear line there
for you to jump aboard eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Also keep eyes on the T twenty Cricket World Cup
when New Zealand have just begun their third pall match

(22:12):
against Uganda. Uganda are batting first. Trent Boltz just bowled
the first delivery, which was a dot ball. So it's
hope for better things today from the Black Cats against Uganda,
even though of course they cannot now go through to.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
The Super eight.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
If you on textare on origin as a key, we
I back the Warriors. Not to Australian states. It means
zero now that the Warriors are playing well. I've heard
that thought mentioned a few times actually this week, that
state of origin is an Australian competition and we should
leave it over there. I don't necessarily subscribe to that,
particularly given the fact that the NRAL has taken games

(22:47):
to Las Vegas. They're very keen obviously to spread their
wings on this, to try different markets out, and I
kind of feel as though, you know, if they move
it around Australian states, I mean, Adelaide hasn't even got
an NRL team and they've had to stay origin game

(23:07):
at least Auckland's got an NRL team. And there's always
been this thought of how it would be a reward
for what happened during COVID, the fact that the Warriors
had to basically base themselves in Australia for two years
to keep the competition at sixteen teams or seventeen was
it was it sixteen during COVID. The fact remains the
Warriors had to basically base themselves over there and gave

(23:30):
up a lot, and New Zealand rugby league fans gave
up a lot, So this would be a nice reward.
I still think they'd want some money for it, and
by the sounds of it, from what Nick Hill was saying,
you know, there's no way we can match what is
the usual asking price. But what if they were a
little bit flexible on that. Is there a cost that

(23:51):
could be agreed on? And once that cost has agreed
how would it be funded at our end? Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty good Bruce.

Speaker 8 (23:59):
Good a Jason.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
How are you very good? Bruce.

Speaker 8 (24:02):
It's a beautiful fine day here in tong hoorray. I'm
looking at my uh chuck and yeah, listening to the
best man.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well, that's very nice, very niceier Bruce, very nicey. Now
what do you make the trip down the highway to
Auckland for state of origin?

Speaker 9 (24:19):
Though?

Speaker 8 (24:21):
What a fulest question, of course, I would Look, I've
lived in Auckland, I've worked all over the world. I've
got three world record holders in my family and the
hardest job and it's proven sharing sheep and yeah, and
we've all my my son and my grandson's the oldest

(24:42):
ones of all traveled around the world. I've got one
and literally at the moment in Rome. So we love everything,
for everything, and not just sport. But they're in Western
Australia now where they're making some money and living there.
But they all came back to take a wady for
the for their awards at the New Zealand Cheering Chair,

(25:06):
which was to help just start. But yeah, getting back
to the NRL. Well, I love all sports, but I
love rugby and league and that's what everything really. It's
a no brainer because the world has changed and I
don't care if they you know, if it goes on

(25:27):
till two o'clock in the morning. We've got to grow up.
We had rock concerts. I've been the premier rock concerts
at Eton Park and around the world. You know this
twenty twenty four and it's a no brainer for me. Yeah,
totally supported Jason.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Good on you, Bruce, Good to get your thoughts mate. Yeah,
and I know your family is very prominent in the
in the sport of sharing. Great to hear from your mate.
Enjoy the rest of your afternoon. Good to know that
you'd be down the down the highway. I don't know
whether you'd go back afterwards.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Maybe you would. What would you? I mean if the.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Game was kicking off at ten, what time would finished? Midnight?
Time you got out there on the road. Yeah, I mean,
as long as you could get Thursday off work, it'll
be fine.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Good Afternoonry. The
bringing of the state of Origin to Auckland a load
of rubbish. Until it's self funds, it will cost more
to put it on than revenue brought in no government funding,
given we have other far more important things for the
government to spend their money on you. And that's always
the way, isn't it, Not just with central government but
local government. There's always a thousand things you can spend

(26:34):
money on. And Nick Hill is in charge of, you know,
bringing events to Auckland. It's one of his main KPIs
and so he will obviously be asking for money that
could be spent on other things. And there's always going
to be that tension around whether you want to bring
a State of Origin game to Auckland, who want to

(26:54):
have better footpaths, But at some point you've got to say, look,
events are an important part of any big city in
the world. My personal view is I would love to
have State of Origin in Auckland. Aside from the fact
that yes, it's two teams that I don't really have
any skin in the game on, we seem to all
have a State of Origin side. Whenever Start of Origin

(27:15):
rolls around, one of you know, one of the two
sides is our side. A lot of people are, you know, blues.
A lot of people are cockroaches. That's just the way
that it is. Maroons and cockroaches. Sorry, Blues and cockroach
the same thing.

Speaker 9 (27:31):
But you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
We always pick one side, don't we. And so I
think that, look, it would sell out, There's no question
it would sell out. It's just all the logistics around
it would have to be thought about.

Speaker 14 (27:42):
You're a fan of it, Phil, I've kind of wish
and I didn't go after Bruce now because no, no way.
I love Origin. Yeah, I'm a fan of the Origin
and I'm a Blue. I'm a long suffering Blues man
that tears me here out after each game when we're
beaten by the Maroons the cockroaches. But I I don't

(28:05):
think it would work because I think State of Origin
is kind of exclusively an Aussie thing, not that you
can't enjoy it wherever you're in the world, but I
think it's essentially a naussy thing and I probably I
probably wouldn't go to Auckland to watch a State of
Origin game, but I'd go over to Australia to watch
an Origin game because I think the whole atmosphere that's

(28:26):
all part of the atmosphere's created in Australia. You know, boy,
the two Ossie teams and the two Ozsi sides, just
catching my breath. To your point, he trying to get
it all in.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
You're fine, don't rush film, don't.

Speaker 14 (28:40):
Rush, okay, thank you. And the other thing too is
I think logistically I don't think it would work either.
I had to see gage people that ring up and see.
But I think you know, on a Wednesday night, if
you're going to hold it on the same night that
they hold it an a Wednesday night during the week

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nine thirty ten o'clock game in Auckland, people got work next.
You've got the logistics getting to and through the game
and back again back home, and the bars being open
and things. I don't know how how well they would
benefit because I don't know how long people would stay
in the city. You know, if they they don't have
to go to work the next day.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So it'll be a pre game. It'll be a pre
game thing, wouldn't if I don't think anyone would stay
open afterwards. I don't know whether it would there whether
it be a market for that, but I think certainly
be there'd be opportunity for restaurants, for example, to say, right,
come and have your pre game dinner with us, because
you could you could be there until what nine nine
thirty or maybe let's say nine o'clock and you know,

(29:43):
have your dinner and then get and then go to
the game. I think that's the way that that hospitality
would would try and benefit from it. Yeah, I can't
imagine that too many. I suppose a couple would would
stay open afterwards for the after crowd, having if they've
been on it for about twelve hours.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
By that stuff.

Speaker 14 (29:56):
It's a few hardcore as, yeah, because it's not it's
not so much that the idea of it. I just
think and practical terms that it probably wouldn't come off.
If that makes sense, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
It does make sense, Yeah, if the practicalities are challenging, Phil,
You're right, the practicalities are challenging. As you've outlined, it's
not the way we're used to watching sport. We're used
to watching sports seven o'clock on a Saturday or thereabouts. Yeah,
ten o'clock, which is what it would be. You've watched
oriage and it just takes ages to get to kick off.
Once they get through all the pageantry etc. Ten o'clock

(30:34):
on a Wednesday night to go to a game. I
said that, you know, I thought that it would sell out.
That would be probably the main obstacle to it if
it was a Sunday afternoon. And I've heard this mooted
that they might try and change it to a Sunday.
There's no way the NR is going to change the
night of state of Origin. It's a Wednesday night thing.
They're not changing that. And like Nick Hill said, they
don't need Auckland. They've got any number of cities in

(30:55):
Australia who would love to have state of Origin. Every
year they share it around. There's always one in New
South Wales, there's always one in Queensland, so Sydney and Brisbane,
and the third one gets shopped around. They don't have
to come to New Zealand. So they're not going to
change the night of the game. It's staying on a Wednesday.

(31:16):
Thanks for your call, Phil, Always good to chat to you.

Speaker 9 (31:17):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Too late for me, says this one. I wouldn't be
home until one am. Mark says, I definitely go to
origin here in New Zealand. I love my rugby league origins.
The main game of the year for me, Thanks Mark,
Joe say a state of Origin and New Zealand bring
it on, be a sellout and so good for us
from Joe, Hey pineum all for an origin game here
in New Zealand. There be no question about the venue
if there was a new stadium downtown though not Eden Park.

(31:40):
But if it has to be there, so be it.
But just another reason to have a modern facility when
major sports can be showcased.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Pine.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't think a state of Origin would be subscribed
as keywis. We don't identify with New South Wales necessarily
or Queensland. It's also not our national game, thank you, Steve.
State of Origin is an Australian state competition for Australians.
As for the NRL being something New Zealanders get behind,
that's nonsense. Okay, Well I tend to disagree. If the

(32:10):
NR I want to promote the game, I should pay
the total amount of stage it, says Stephen. Again, Stephen,
they don't need to. They've got any number of places
willing to pay to have Origin in their backyard.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Would you go to a Paul.

Speaker 12 (32:25):
Most definitely a go to. I mean I'm first and foremost,
I'm a regular league fan, but I'm not a fan
of the state of rogen at the moment the way
it's played where it used to be basically a Kangaroos player,
only elevople from the Kangaroos, but now it's just become
a free for all. But that's a side issue. But
it's really fantastic and I've got no doubt like yourself,

(32:47):
it will be sold out to some NUL defector I own.
You know, I know there's a new worries by going
up in Kingsland. I think it's October. It's gonna awah
bar whatever whatever it is. So you can imagine, you
know this this current mayor. You know, we need to
be forward thinking, like hard Oval in Sydney. The Prime
Minister's just forty million dollars into lighthardover because it has

(33:08):
a historic sentimental value to that area. And it's not
the rugby league park. It's for soccer, it's for other sports.
So they are forward thinking. You know that the government
in Australia when it comes to sports, you know they
fund it in these parks. But here we find ways
to sort of put up road box and put road
cones out and red tape. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, it doesn't seem conduci if necessarily Paul does it
to to to welcoming something with open arms, there do
tend to be a lot of obstacles placed in the way.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Be nice if those obstacles were cleared away and we
could just see our way clear too. Welcoming something with
huge economic benefits and bucket list benefits, if that's even
a thing for New Zealanders, I know you'd be there, Paul,
I would too. Twelve forty three on New Stalks, they'd
be We're back in a moment. We'll flick across to
the Blues. They'll be in pretty pretty good heart. After
their win last night, Paul tipped to assistant coach with

(34:07):
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Speaker 1 (34:09):
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The Blues are thrown to their second Super Rugby finaland
three years thirty four to twenty to meet the Brumbies.
Last night, assistant coach Paul Tito.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
Is with us.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Yes, sleep okay? After that last night, Paul.

Speaker 15 (34:32):
To be honest, it didn't you know. I mean it
was one of those ones you but get up for
the game and couldn't.

Speaker 9 (34:39):
Get back to sleep afterwards.

Speaker 15 (34:40):
Should have another wine.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, that always tends to help anything, in particular the
head you're tossing and turning or I mean, you must.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Be pretty pleased. It always felt like you were in
control or did it not?

Speaker 10 (34:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (34:52):
I think you know, we had, like you said, we
had twenty five minutes of really good stuff and then
you know, we let the foot off the throat there
for fifteen minutes and didn't allow them back in the game.
We just didn't take a hold of the game like
we had been doing. So, you know, there's always stuff
to work on as a team and as a coaching group.

(35:13):
Were always trying to get better. So we just got
to be better in those moments and not give teams,
you know, that down period that we haven't given the
team's opportunity.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Is that something that you were concerned about going in.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Had you talked about, you know, periods of games where
perhaps you hadn't been quite at optimum levels.

Speaker 15 (35:35):
Well, I think that's the nature of the game, you know,
like you don't have it all your own way all
the time, So it's your ability to take control when
when you do lose that control. Stacking good moments on
good moments is obviously the ideal, and then the reverse
of that is obviously bad moments on bad moments on
bad moments. So that's the thing that that's the cycle

(35:57):
you want to get out of. So yeah, I'm sure
it's something that we'll touch on this week and how
that looks for the final.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
The Blues Blue printer is very obvious and has been
really successful a brutal forwards based game plan. How have
you and the other coach has gone about imprinting that
and maintaining it?

Speaker 15 (36:18):
Yeah, I think you know, I mean like we've we've
played this way since the start of the season. You
look back to the Crusaders and when they've won you know,
their titles throughout the past years. You know, they most
really play quite expensive rugby in March February when when
the weather is good and by the time final footy comes,

(36:40):
you know they're they're closing up and squeezing things up
a bit and go back to their set piece. And
so I think that's the key to winning titles is
have a dominant set piece and been being nice and
accurate in the breakdown. So yeah, hey, we've implemented it
well throughout the year in various different ways and it's

(37:04):
been a real strength of ours. So yeah, how much.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Does it help Paul as well that it's actually working
when you have to reinforce these messages week after week.
How much does it help that actually what you're asking
the players to do is actually working for you.

Speaker 15 (37:19):
Yeah, it's critical as a coach, isn't it. You know,
you've got a plan, you know, you have the players
to implement that plan is the key, and you've got
there buy And I think that's all we've had from
the group this year, especially the leaders. You know, they
really lead from the front and and really grabbed the
bull by the horns and taking us forward and you

(37:42):
know it's it's basic footy done really well and they're
really lead in that space.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Every campaign, of course, has it setbacks, and you talk
about your leaders, how have you dealt internally with the
loss of your captain Patrick tweep a lot two.

Speaker 15 (37:55):
Yeah, he's a big loss, p He's a legend guy
and holds the group really well. But even this week.
You know, I used them a couple of times and
meetings and just keeping involved because he does hold that
money within the group. So you know, here we are
around this week Ton to make sure we're in the
right direction.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And Dalton Papa that he failed in Hia last night.
I heard some narrative afterwards that he was more just
forgetting a couple of things, which he might have done
under any circumstances, any fears that he'll be out for
the final Dolts.

Speaker 15 (38:28):
Yeah, I'll leave that to the people that get paid
the big money. You know, I've got a job to
do and I'll leave the mid staff to saw that one.
I don't really need to be piping up with that.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Hoskins stutu last night, another try for him. That's the
equal most tries in a season for a Blues player
and the equal most by any forward in a Super
Rugby season. Are these the sorts of things that are
celebrated or are they more a byproduct of performance?

Speaker 10 (38:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (38:56):
I think you know, we celebrate as a team, you know,
little milestones like this. But you know, hoss has played
well all year. You know, he's last year where he
was good at the start and most surely Hit had
a bit of a blip there for a bit and
didn't get selected in the World Cup squad. So he's
had a real point to prove this year. He's been

(39:17):
consistent for me, he's he's carried really well and you know,
he's got a great skill set to get the bat
of space and we saw that again last night.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Do you talk to players like Hoskins and others about
about higher honors and use that as a carrot or not?

Speaker 15 (39:33):
Not really? You know, we're we're just all about us
and performing well. And I think there's a good old
saying if you perform well as a team, they normally
you do well as individuals. So you know, so if
you go along deep in this competition and there's a
couple of you know what I said late in the
in the in the selection process and what that looks like,

(39:54):
then you normally get the nod because you're playing and
you'd going deep in the comp What.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Did you think of Tofa Funaki's little backwards chip kick?

Speaker 15 (40:04):
It was an interesting time in the box.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Then I saw the We all saw it, man, we
all saw it.

Speaker 15 (40:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the three of us look quite calm. Actually, yeah,
it was an interesting one. But hey, I am I
would just worry about getting the ball to the back.
So we have too much saying.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
That good stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
And now you can sit back and and watch these
other two teams beat each other other up this afternoon.
I know you started your Super Rugby career at the Chiefs,
but surely the the eighth season Hurricanes player and you
wants the Canes to win this afternoon, even if it
means you won't get a home final.

Speaker 8 (40:40):
Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 15 (40:41):
A it's tough. Obviously. I've had a lot to do
with both of the franchises being involved with to heal
in my coaching days and coach a lot of those
guys that are in the Chiefs team. So but how
are you going to put I think you're got to
be selfish, you know. I think for us as a
Blues organization would be great if that's the Chiefs got

(41:02):
up for us, you know, so we can so we
can play at home. And it's a mess as amateur.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, no, that's natural, natural to feel that way. Hey Paul,
thanks mate, Hope you have a relaxing weekend. All the
best for the week ahead. It's an exciting time for
the franchise and for its coaching staff. Thanks for taking
the time for a chat mate day.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Thank you, no, thank you, Paul.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
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Speaker 2 (41:48):
Welcome into the show, Well, welcome back, seven past one.
I'm Jason Fine, Mark Kelly pushing the buttons and producing
the show this afternoon. We're here till three. A good
look at this Super Rugby semi final Hurricanes Chiefs this afternoon.
Shortly we'll get inside both camps for you. But a
live sport to update you on at the Cricket World Cup.
The black Caps, I would say, are on top of you. Gander,

(42:11):
seven overs gone you Gander batting first, are ten for
the loss of four, ten for the loss of four.
So this is a lot better from New Zealand. Unfortunately
a little bit too little, too late as far as
their progress in this tournament is concerned. But good to
see them putting the foot on the throat of one
of world crickets minnows. Yeah, ten for four heading towards
the end of the seventh over wickets shared around Trent

(42:35):
Bolt's got a couple one for Saudi and one for
Santana as well.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Will keep eyes on.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
That for you.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
And Game four in the NBA Finals Dallas Mavericks looking
to keep the series alive Boston Celtics with a three
nil leading the series best of seven. Obviously, the Mavericks
at cought a time in Game four in Dallas are
head thirty four to twenty one, so at least making
a bit of a fist of it to try and
get themselves on the board. I don't think any team's
ever come back from three nil down in an NBA

(43:01):
Finals series to win four to three. But you can
only take these things one step at a time, can't you.
We'll keep an eye on that basketball for you. Our
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co dot NZ. Super Rugby Semi Final Hurricanes v Chiefs

(43:23):
this afternoon four thirty five. We've got commentary for you
on Gold Sport and on iHeartRadio from around four twenty
this afternoon. A standout for the Hurricanes this season, mainly
recently in an impact role has been loose forward duplasy Cordifee.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Judd to the right inside kadife is over for the try.
You cannot keep.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Him out of the action duplicity Codifi with us on
game day. Thanksoops for taking the time for a chat.
Has it been possible to treat this week the same
as as a regular season week or or are you,
in fact instead embracing the size of this occasion.

Speaker 16 (44:02):
That's a true, that's a good question. I was thinking
about us last night and nah, nothing, nothing's really changed
for us. You know, we don't want we don't want
the boys to do anything differently than they would have
than they would have done, you know, last week or
the week before or at the start of the season.
So routine has been a really important part of our

(44:25):
year keeping things the same. You're obviously looking at it
through a different lens, and there's obviously a different level
of pressure that comes with being in a semi final
and went at home and there. But now for the
most part, we're just treating another like another week off

(44:46):
the field. On the field, definitely a raising intensity.

Speaker 9 (44:49):
But.

Speaker 16 (44:50):
Like I say, if if we do things too differently
and we might be from the path. So just trying
our best to keep things functional and keep things normal
and relaxed, especially for a younger playing group. We don't
want them to.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
You know, the load too early.

Speaker 16 (45:09):
So yeah, come, come, feeling and camp at the moment.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I can't think of a player who has made more
impact off the bench this season than you have. When
you've played that role, How do you how do you
approach that role when when you're handed it at the
start of the week.

Speaker 16 (45:30):
Yeah, I think as competitors and you know, people who
are always wanting to put the best forward. The first
part of being told you're on the bench is actually
accepting the fact that you're not in the starting group.
And that's not to say you know, you're not as important,

(45:51):
but it can be frustrating. So having to deal with
that has been a massive part of my journey this year,
as we know. But then once you put your own
ego aside and you start to look at what you
can do best for the team, and that's whether you're starting,
benching or not playing as well. Yeah, you can really
look to the best out of grad performance and I've

(46:11):
really enjoyed coming off the bench. I know, for example,
I'm not going to be getting eighty minutes. I've got
a shorter period to have a positive impact on the game,
and that means that, you know, I'll have plenty of
juice in the tent the whole time. So when I
come on twenty five thirty five minutes, I know that

(46:34):
I've got, you know, a short amount of time to
just absolutely indio and I think that just helps me
along with being clear on what I'm trying to do,
you know, have a positive impact on the game and
have the boys in whatever way I can. But I've
actually really enjoyed my role this year and sound like
I've had a lot of fun, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Something else that I've noticed, You've always sailed pretty close
to the line at the breakdown, sometimes over that line,
but I don't remember, you get away as many penalties
this season as previously.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Have you changed your approach slightly in.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
That in that area, yeah, I have.

Speaker 16 (47:15):
I think last year, the last two seasons, I you know,
didn't give away nearly as many penalties as my first
couple of seasons. But this year, I think I've only
given away you know, three or four at the breakdown
all year. So yeah, I have changed our approach. I

(47:37):
think it comes with maturity, Binsy. I think it just
comes from seeing the pictures a bit better than I
used to when I when I was when I was
a younger man, I was just like a bull in
a china shop. And I think my ego, I think
my ego got in the way a little bit. I
just looked at everything and thought, yeah, I can get there.
And you know, at times, as we know, that was

(47:57):
mine my teams the mind. So nah, just yeah, I
see the pittures clearly down and we've got great coaches
that have helped me out along the way. And you know,
Corey j and then and Clark. I've done a great
job of talking to us about not popping the balloon
for the team per se and and applying pressure unneeded

(48:17):
pressure on our direction. So yeah, yeah, you're right mate,
I haven't given away as manypenities this here, and it's
probably a good thing.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
You're part of a really impressive group of loose forwards
at the Hurricanes. Head Braid and yos on the show.
On head Braid and Yostie on the show last week
he called you the wolf pack. How connected are you
as a as a group of loose forwards. You talked
before about you know, needing to play whatever role is
handed to you. How connected are the loose forward cohorts
at the Hurricanes.

Speaker 16 (48:51):
Yeah, We're pretty We're a pretty tight knit group. I'm
blood I'm bloody proud to be a part of our
loose forward's chair only because you know, we have a
lot to offer. But I just love seeing their growth
and the young boys. I'm not saying I'm no better

(49:12):
in but you know, braves dev p t k out
in or younger than me, and to see them just
excel us here on and off the field has just
been a pleasure to watch. So to have the likes
of brands in there as well as just yeah, that's
it's been one of the most favorable parts of the

(49:33):
year and the season is just getting to work with
these boys who have bucket loads of talents, more telling
that I have in my left pinky, saying I think,
you know, they have more talent in their pinky than
I do in my whole wading. But so yeah, just
we bring the best out in each other. We want

(49:55):
to see each other do well and when we when
that happens, you know, we we put it down to
the group work, the pachus and obviously how hard the
individuals were King, But you're really enjoying the season with
these boys. There, a great bunch of boys.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
You're part of a six to two split on the
bench for this game. What does that tell us about
about the way that the Hurricanes you like to likely
to approach this.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
With the with the six to split in the impact place.

Speaker 16 (50:26):
Well, I think it's just it's a lot of the
physicality of the Chiefs and how big their board packers
to be there, as well as trusting our backs. You know,
with only two on the bench, why we're obviously putting
a lot of trust in our backs to do their
job well and do it and do it accurately. And yeah,

(50:47):
I think we're just trying to pack a little bit
more far pound for the end of the game so
that we can, you know, me fire with firing, go
to to toe with this big, big Chief Sports pack.
We know they have a lot to offer and they
themselves are some outstanding loose sports who we're looking forward
to going up against the game.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It was a sad sight to see Xavior and Mia
depart the field last weekend against the Rebels with what
turned out to be a reasonably serious calf injury. How
gotting to lose such a key player at the business
end for for you guys, yeah.

Speaker 8 (51:22):
It's just.

Speaker 16 (51:24):
As we's all part of sport, you know, no matter
what level you play, its injuries, I think, and they
can affect anyone. But just going for my friend, he
was having one of those seasons that you'll never forget.
And there's no I don't believe he want to come

(51:47):
back better and stronger. It's just unfortunate the timing. And
really feel for him. I know he's you know, he'll
be got to he'll be got to to be missing
out on the rest of the season, and and and
now I'll just say what I'm thinking, but I'm sure
a lot of other people were thinking. I know he
was you know, going to go close to higher honors,

(52:08):
So just really guarded for him after the year he
was having to just have to bow out like that.
But yeah, looking forward to seeing what he does over
the next few weeks of his recovery in his rehab
and you know it'll be to have him back on
the field at some stage. But feeling for him, I know, yeah,
I know he was looking forward to contributing this weekend

(52:29):
like he has been all year. He's been amazing.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Indeed, you have been in the Chiefs twice this season.
Anything from those two games that's that's useful in a
in a knockout situation or not.

Speaker 16 (52:42):
Oh absolutely, I understad in one of them. But yeah,
as you know, sees a big pack with a pretty
slick backline.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
There are.

Speaker 16 (52:54):
Yeah, their backs are their backs are the goods, and
fifty forwards can do a job, then we know that
their backs are going to be a handful for us.
So mentioned earlier, we've got to meet fire or fire
in terms of the boards, and yeah, it's just gotta
fit lightly when the basket of wall only dragged into

(53:16):
all of their moves and cut the shreds. So looking
forward to their challenge We know that they've probably got
a few things up their sleep, you know a little
bit of five pounds that they've saved for the semis,
looking forward to it, looking forward to looking forward to
the challenge.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
In big crowd coming this afternoon. Dope, ciber thirty thousand
on the Awaite Sky Stadium for this game. How much
you're looking forward to feeding off their energy.

Speaker 16 (53:43):
Yeah, it's gonna be, not gonna lie. It's gonna be
nice to see a few less yellow seats this weekend.
Well we never oh, well we Skott Stadium is a
massive stadium, as you know, and we know the energy
has been building all year. So to I guess reward
our loyal fans and the community down here in Lower
Lower North Island with us with a home semi final.

(54:08):
You know, it's huge for us. We're really proud of
the law fans that we do have. So to see
a few more of this weekend, I thought, what's been
a pretty good season by all means, will be a
cool thing. And I know the boys will be feeding
of all of that energy during the warm up, so
it's exciting. I know a lot of boys this will

(54:29):
be their biggest credit that played in front of so
it's an exciting occasion.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, can't wait, mate, can't wait. It's great to get
the chance to chat to you. I hope everything goes
well and you earn yourself one more Monday. Great to
chat to you as always, mate.

Speaker 16 (54:43):
That's the one finding Thanks mate, always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Great to chat do place, Thank you do pas calify there.
He'll come off the bench as part of the six
to two split for the Hurricanes this afternoon against the
Chiefs four thirty five sky Stadium, gold Sport and iHeartRadio
for the commentary. If you need to listen and which
way are you going on this one?

Speaker 9 (55:02):
Mark?

Speaker 8 (55:04):
Everybody trying to get on last week. Spoke to Andy
and he sort of agreed with me.

Speaker 15 (55:08):
I just had a little theory on.

Speaker 17 (55:10):
Both the semis.

Speaker 18 (55:11):
Yes, last night you had arguably the two best forward
packs in the competition, and to me, the best forward
pack did win that game. It was pretty hard to
decipher one player for meat Ford Packer, who are going
to dominate tonight.

Speaker 11 (55:26):
You've got a tony different scenario. You've got the two
best back lines in the comp and arguably, in my mind,
probably the two best back lines in the world at
the moment, and I think today's result is going to
come down to two players who can manufacture and decipher
the game perfectly, and that's Tammy McKenzie and Scott Barrett.

(55:48):
Whoever does the best job there, that team will win.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Hang on, Scott Barrett, he plays for the Crusaders.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
Brody Barrett.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Sorry, yes, I knew who you've are, just giving you
a little bit of jib there, Mark, I know you
mean Jordy and you're so.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I think you've landed on two. I think you've got
I basically think you nailed it. You've landed on two
very very important and very very good players.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Do you have any do you have any skin in
this game? Are you you from Rot to Do? Are
you chief Country?

Speaker 10 (56:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (56:19):
Well I am Chief Country, buddy, but I've always been
a blues boy. I think this game is going to
come down to Golden Point, just put it that way.
I think it's going to draw.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
All right, Mark, Well, I hope my voice holds out.
I've got the got the call of this once, so
so pray for me and my voice if that happens. Mark,
good to chat to you, mate.

Speaker 19 (56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Look, Mackenzie terrific.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Basically a FATA kom play Hill were the ten jersey
for the All Blacks, certainly, and they will get first
crack at it. And Jordi Barrett I thought last week
against the Rebels in that quarter final, the way he
kind of took that game by the scruff of its neck.
When the Hurricanes were struggling just to gain ascendency in
the first half in particular, he just and and the

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early part of the second half he kind of just
picked them on and said to look, follow me, and
they did and got the job done reasonably comfortably forty
seven to twenty. As far as the Chiefs are concerned,
the way Damien McKenzie's been playing all season, I think
he's played fourteen of the of the sixteen games running
the cutter for the Chiefs as looked every inch. A
player who is very comfortable in his own skin knows

(57:30):
how to run this team around. I did find it interesting.
I have to say, I'll say this before we go
to a break and then get a tenny. Thenos Toto
on the air, the Chiefs talked about, you know, peaking
at the right time, and it's been a bit of
a narrative this week and when they've been asked about
how this season has had its peaks and troughs. It's

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ups and downs. Remember last season they won fifteen in
a row going into the final, which they lost to
the Crusaders. They've sort of stuck with the narrative this
week around, having learned from that and knowing that it's
actually the finals that are important than the regular season.
And I kind of that sort of made it sound
as though they've been inconsistent on purpose, which I'm sure

(58:13):
is not the case. Sure have to look back to
their losses to the Reds and the Crusaders, the Hurricanes twice,
the Blues. You know, I'm sure would have wanted to
win those games. But it's a nice narrative, I have
to say, And watching them dismantle the Reds last week
was quite frightening from a Hurricanes fans point of view.

(58:35):
So yeah, I honestly think it's a coin flip.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Let's get a chief's view. We'll do that in just
a second. It's one twenty four. Just quick check on
the cricket. You gan a twenty one for five coming
towards the end of the tenth over batting first against
New Zealand in the T twenty Cricket World Cup. Back
in a moment and inside the Chiefs camp.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
One Crouch Hold Engage Weekend Sport with Jason Frame and GJ. Gunderholmes,
New Zealand's first trusted home builder News Talks ab News
Talks ab It's one twenty seven producer Mark has quite
rightly pointed out that it wasn't a fifteen game winning
streak for the Chiefs last year.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
They won their first ten I think it was then
lost to the Reds, that's right, and then went through
the Hurricanes Brumbies in force, won their quarter final against
the Reds, their semi final against the Brumbies before losing
the final to the Crusaders. So that was the Chiefs
last year. Can they learn from that and make the
Grand final in this time?

Speaker 20 (59:31):
Win it?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
If they do make the Grand Final, of course it'll
be at Eden Park. And Clayton McMillan said after that
game a couple of weeks ago, when the Blues beat
the Chiefs in the final match of round robin, we
will see you back here for the final back at
Eden Park. Well, if his team wins this afternoon, that's
exactly what will happen. Chiefs winger at tenny Nanai Saturo

(59:53):
has played every single game of this season for the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Running it back is no tourro over halfway and then
a little ship over the top chasing Will He gets
the bouse, He gets the bouse. The tackle from Leo
willis miss and nana I Saturo in the left head corner.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
He's been a standout for the Chiefs this season and
joins us now at any and then nice to turn.
Thanks for taking the time at any Not only will
you play your sixteenth game this afternoon in a row,
it's your sixteenth straight start. No other player has done
that in Super rugby this season started sixteen straight games.
So first of all, man, how's the body holding up?

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Oh yeah, I guess it's just hanging on. No, yeah,
but it's been asso. I guess it's just awesome to
get a couple of games under my belt. You know,
obviously the last past five years i've been here, I've
been in and out because of injuries. But there's probably
my season or for sixty years playing sixteen games, like

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you said, and yeah, that's good. Body is all good
as just hanging on. But yeah, I'm good to go
for the seeking and I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Guess also as well as staying injury free, you've got
to be playing well to continue to be selected week
after week.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Are you happy with the way things are going by
to yourself and and and the chief season on the whole.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Yeah, yeah, well obviously you said, yeah, pretty pretty happy
with my performance. I think I've been going been going
all good. But obviously it's the finals finals footy now,
And I guess those players who who play in the

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it's one of the big one, the big stag that
they they get to share themselves what kind of a
player they are in finals? In finals fuddy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Indeed, you play mainly on the wing obviously, but you've
had a few games at fallback as well. Do you
enjoy wearing the fifteen jersey?

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Yeah, it's awesome, don't the swing of fullback? But yeah,
I've been getting a couple of games there this year.
And yeah, obviously full back, I guess I preferred to position,
but opposition, but no, should have been awesome plast in
the last couple of years. So yeah, he's he plays

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a big role in our team.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
And yeah, there's something that's become a parent in your
game recently, well not recently, but over the last couple
of years.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
As is your kicking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Uh is that something you've worked on, perhaps with someone
like David Hill in the Chiefs environment.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Uh, yeah, yeah, David Hurll and also like players like
Sean Steinson. Now obviously he's got a big big on him.
And yeah, it's still still working on my left foot,
but yeah, I guess this year they've you know, the coaches,

(01:02:49):
the team, they've put a lot of ownership on myself
to use my boot more, especially on the left side,
to relieve pressure with boot, and also Sean that just
kind of changes up I'll kick in, gives us more
kicking on. So yeah, it's going pretty good, and yeah
I'm still developing my boot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Last weekend went over the Raids in the quarterfinal, pretty impressive,
particularly in the first half. Did it kind of feel
like everything really finally clicked for you guys in the
first half last weekend?

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Yeah, Yeah, I feel like the obviously our forwards they're
on that game. I think they've hit the platform for us,
great platform platform for us to prospects to strike out. Yeah,
everything was going well. We're playing in the right end
of the field also with Shanman shooter in the first

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half using his boot. Realised a lot of pressure for
us in our house to people've got to continue there
this week, just going against going against the Kings.

Speaker 9 (01:03:57):
We know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
What they bring in the efforts that they have just
on them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
If you you know, you talked to a lot of
people talk about the Chiefs back three and how impressive
you've been. You look at the Hurricanes back three for
this one rare Morby love how much work do you
put into diffusing what they might bring this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Yes, they've got a good back three. I've played assess
he's good of ball in hand, Ruben as well, Ruben
loves at the back. He's got a good boot, good
skills in flas as well and also Moreby's he's cooked
as well. But we know what they're going to bring.

(01:04:40):
We know that they're good of born hand. But I
think it's for us it's just limiting the often then
I guess focusing more on how we're how we're going
to play on this second.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
And Damien McKenzie and the ten jersey for you has
been directing you around the park all season. How have
you assessed the way he's gone in the in the
first five position for your for you guys this season, he's.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
He's he's awesome spoke for us and his knowledge, his brain. Yeah,
especially when I was playing full back. A couple of
games I was playing full back. Yeah, he took a
lot of pressure off me and he's yeah, he's got
he's sort of like the voice fail team and everytink
goes through him. Then, yeah, he's been big for me

(01:05:26):
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Of course, you were part of the New Zealand seven's
set up when Clark Laidlaw was was the national sevens
coaches now Hurricanes coach. Of course you want a Commonwealth
Games gold medal, Olympic silver medal with Clarke Laidlaw. I
think uh has a as a surprise you had quickly
he's adjusted to coaching fifteenth.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
No, not not really.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
No, Clark's a good coach. He's also good of other
stuff as well. Just bringing him he's got around the
offfield as well, the culture in there, and I'm not
surprised that they're going well. I know what it's like
to be under Clark Laidlaw and yeah, yeah, not surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
He seems to be a really good man manager, and
obviously it's there's a lot more people to manage when
you're a fifteen's coach. But did you find that in
the seven's environment under him that he was that he
was good one to one?

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
Yeah, yeah, he was really good around the especially me
coming out of school. He was good for my confidence.
What was backing me And yeah, obviously as a young player,
that's what you want when you're as a coach, you
want coach to back you. And yeah he was, he was.
I was when I was under the club, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
And just to finish beaten in the semi final two
years ago, beaten in the final last year. Do you
feel like the Chiefs can take that last step and
win the whole thing this year?

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
I know, I know that we can know we got
the team for it. It's just us turning up on
the day. But we've been there before and we spoke
about that this week and but I guess the precires
not on us.

Speaker 11 (01:07:03):
Soon.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
We said to go out there in our front up
and I guess play our game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Well, it's going to be a big crowd there at
any this afternoon, over thirty thousand turning up. I get
the feeling most of them will probably be cheering for
the Hurricanes, but I'm sure you won't mind that in
the Chiefs either, mate. Hey, all the best or the
best in the semi final. Like I say, everybody's really
looking forward to it. I appreciate you taking the time.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
For a chat, no no worries, Thanks for having me,
thank you, no, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
For joining us at at any nana Satuto there and
ever present for the Chiefs this season has to be
in that All Blacks conversation too, along with perhaps the
other two members of that Chief's back three Emoni Nadawa
and Sean Stevenson. Pretty stacked outside backs contingent for the Chiefs.
But yeah, Ruben Love, Josh Morby, Celesie Rayarsi for the Hurricanes.

(01:07:48):
So I guess really it's it's up to the respective
Ford packs to provide quality ball for the likes of
those players. This afternoon, let's actually get you to Hurricane
CEO Avan Lee just to get a gauge on where
we are ticket sale wise and other messaging. Evan, thanks
for taking the time. What sort of crowd are we
tracking towards this afternoon?

Speaker 15 (01:08:09):
I think it's like twenty seven, twenty eight pine like
it's actually lovely day outside, so I think more people
will we'll get tickets today. But yeah, it's it's awesome.
Like you know, Like I said during the week, I
think twenty five plus would have been good. It would
have been great to get to thirty, but there's no
that's not to say we won't. We can get up

(01:08:30):
to five thousand on a walk up on game day,
so given the weather's nice, I think that could you know,
we could get near that, so it could nudge towards thirty.
But if I had to put a number on it,
I'd say twenty seven, twenty eight, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
That's still going to be rocking at kickoff time. Yeah
for those Yeah, for those heading along this afternoon. Any
any key messages for those attending the game.

Speaker 15 (01:08:53):
I think the biggest one is just get there early.
Gates open two hours before, but I think if you're
if you're not at the stadium an hour before, you're
going to have a massive queue. So Wellingtonians tend to
roll up late, so I would get an early, get
your transport into the city and then get into the

(01:09:15):
ground and enjoy the atmosphere and the pre match entertainment.
That's the main one, mate, I think, just yeah, get
along early.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Can you enjoy tonight all this afternoon? Rather from a
rugby sense or as CEO of the Hurricanes, is there
a bit too much on your plate for you to
actually enjoy a game of rugby?

Speaker 15 (01:09:34):
Oh, I'll enjoy it if we win. I think, yeah,
you sort of wake up in the morning and you
get a bit nerves like everybody. But no, I mean
I'll enjoy it like it's a big challenge for us
against the Chiefs. But you know, just really proud of
the staff and players have got us here tonight, and
I just want them to go and go and do

(01:09:55):
their job, you know. So yeah, confident in a realistic
way because I don't know, but it feels like it's
a fifty to fifty so you know, having that, having
that crowd support, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Going to be amazing obviously that the players have been
preparing all week. What does your week look like as
the as the CEO of the organization? How much of
your focus has gone on to today across this week?

Speaker 15 (01:10:21):
Not a huge amount, to be honest. We had a
I've got some great people in the Hurricanes who look
after their particular areas but just in the background, I
guess providing advice around marketing, ticketing and sponsors and all
that sort of thing because I've been around far too long.
But yeah, no, it's it's like at a board meeting yesterday.

(01:10:43):
So it's just a normal, normal week in a lot
of ways. But you know, there's a different feeling at work.
And I would certainly go to meetings during the week,
team meetings, strategy sessions because it's such a big game
and you just want to be part of it. So

(01:11:03):
I definitely make more of an effort in that respect.
But yeah, there's plenty of people know what they're doing
in that area, so I kind of leave them to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Have you let yourself think about the possibility of a
Grand Final or do you not want to jinx it?

Speaker 15 (01:11:16):
No, I don't want to jinx it. But you've got
a plan for it, because you know it comes around
pretty quickly, so you've got to start doing some work
on it. But you know, you don't get ahead of yourself, obviously,
But you know if we did, if we didn't win today,
it's not a lot of time to get everything sorted
and get tickets on sale and all that kind of thing.
But naturally your mind goes that way sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
But you know, we've got a huge challenge today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Had Paul Tito on the show earlier, I would have
thought he would have wanted to I would have thought
he wanted the Hurricanes to win, being a former alumni himself,
But he said, no, we want the home finals.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
So you haven't got Paul Tito on your side this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
No, I get there.

Speaker 15 (01:11:54):
I don't really talk to him anymore since he's a
good fella, but yeah, you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
You can't blame him for that, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Hey, all the best for a great afternoon, a great occasion.
Haven't the players talk about earning themselves another Monday? Somebody's
going to this afternoon. Look forward to catching up a
bit later on.

Speaker 15 (01:12:15):
Yeah, awesome, cheers Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Thanks Evan avanlea CEO of the Hurricanes. Stee go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
If you're in Wellington and heading along, get there early.
Gates open around half past two. There might be a
touch early, but anything after about three point thirty and
you're going to be finding yourself in a queue of
some sort, whether it's to get in or to get
food and beverage that sort of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
So yeah, get along.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Early Wellingtonians, as Evan said, and I know this from experience,
need to turn up late to things. Think they can
just rock up ten minutes before and get an Okay.
So yeah, high twenties by the sounds of it, maybe
nudging thirty thousand with a decent walk up. But it's
a nice day on Wellington. However, rain is forecast for
a bit later on. Hopefully it holds off till after kickoff.
Tony says, I'm text Jason can't wait for four thirty

(01:12:56):
to ro all around. We've got the wood on the
Chiefs and that's a big psychological barrier. This will be
a high scoring game, but like most of the games
between these two teams, will be close. Hang on to
your seat, mate, I will be Tony. I will be
hanging on to my seat. You Gander are twenty six
for six batting first against New Zealand and the fourteenth
over at the T twenty Cricket World Cup. When we

(01:13:17):
come back, we're across the Tasman our regular catch up
with Australian correspondent Adam Peacock right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason him and GJ. Guvnerholmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder news DOGSB.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Coming up quarter to two. Gunner says on text, always
enjoy getting your text, Guner. Thanks made high.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Pinty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Biggest concern for me is the Chiefs discipline when put
under pressure. Firstly consistent penalties and eventually yellow cards. To me,
these traits have been there since last year and still
haven't been addressed, especially most evident in last year's final.
If the Chiefs can control that part of their game,
my Chiefs will go a long way to winning. Thanks
gun Up, as I say, always good to hear from you.

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At the T twenty Cricket World Cup, you Gander are
twenty seven for seven. Now twenty seven for seven. The
magic number, according to producer Mark Kelly, is thirty nine.
That's the number they got against the West Indies on Sunday.
That's last Sunday. Their scores at this World Cup so
far U Ganda fifty eight against Afghanistan. They actually beat
Papa New Guinea scoring seventy eight for seven to overhaul

(01:14:23):
pnng's seventy seven all out against the West and he's
thirty nine and here twenty seven for seven batting first
against New Zealand. It seems a material but they're into
the fifteenth over text, tire Pony, I think you gan
to have enough should they declare very good for the bowlers.

(01:14:43):
These are great games to pad your bowling, because aren't they.
Trent Bolt two for five, Tim Saudi one for three,
Mitchell Sentna one for eight, Lackie Ferguson one for seven
and Rachen Rivindra has two wickets.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
For one run.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
It's not going to matter though, is it. As we know,
New Zealand are out of this T twenty Cricket World Cup. Actually,
just to let you know, tomorrow on the show, Chris
Ken's going to join us to talk about a cricket
and what the shape of the New Zealand white ball
side might be moving forward, and I'm sure you'll.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Have some views on that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Time to catch up on sporting matters though from across
the Tasman our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock is here. Adam,
we'll talk about a cricket in a minute, but we've
been chatting on the show today about the possibility of
state of origin coming to New Zealand. How do you
think that would be greeted by league fans on your
side of the Tasman.

Speaker 20 (01:15:32):
I think we're okay with this, especially in New South
Ives and Queensland where obviously it's the heartland of the sport.
And let's face it, they do take in one of
the extra games, so they's play one in Sydney, one
in Brisbane and at the moment they're rotating the other one.
This time it's Melbourne, has been Adelaide, has been Perth.
I've seen no reason why Auckland or Wellington, wherever the

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stadium is big enough to the edind Park they'd want
to have it at, would would not be able to
facilitate holding Oledge. And the only thing is a kickoff time,
and I reckon a kickoff time would have to be
six pm, Which are you're going to get people there
at six pm? And a windy Probably it's a one
off special once every four years event, but not ideal.

(01:16:15):
But I see no reason why it can't head over there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, and as far as the rotation of it is concerned, yeah,
that's that's not new, is it. So I guess you know,
going somewhere outside of the two participating states is not
a new thing.

Speaker 17 (01:16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
And in terms of state of origin itself, I think
over here, I mean we absolutely love it and the
jam packed Australian sporting market.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
How much cut through do state of origin get.

Speaker 20 (01:16:42):
Yeah, it gets a little bit, But if you gain
to Melbourne, it's kind of like the surface rolls in, Yes,
it's here, and then it rolls out again. Saying with Adelaide,
Perth's a little different. I feel it's a little different
over there. I think it has a bit more of
a stick for rugby league in terms of attention and
you know, flow on and I think it will have
that effect in New Zealand make it even bigger because

(01:17:04):
the wars are going so well. So yeah, if they're
looking to grow the game and not just take a
check and then move on, I think New Zealand is
a really viable option.

Speaker 10 (01:17:14):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
We look forward to progress in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Arguably Australia's biggest sporting star Sam Kerk, she made an
announcement about her future this week.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
What were the details of that.

Speaker 20 (01:17:25):
Yeah, She's signed on to anomber two years at Chelsea,
which is good news.

Speaker 15 (01:17:29):
For Chelsea.

Speaker 20 (01:17:30):
Good news for Sam. I think she obviously loves living
in London and getting around town without being recognized. Look,
if she lived in Australia, she'd be walking down the
street everyone know who she is. And in terms of
her ability, I don't think anyone could come near to
what her pay packet would be. So it's great for
Chelsea that they're losing their manager or have lost their

(01:17:51):
manager and she's moved on, so new manager that Sam
wants to stick over there. There was rumors that she
might have been on the move, but no, they've stuck
with her and I think it's fair as well because
from Sam's point of view to resign because they've supported
her through a big injury at the Martent. She'll be
back at some point next season after the knee injury.
But yeah, good news for her to lock up her

(01:18:12):
security and going nowhere. It seems for two years.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
This announcement was made on social media. Was it almost
like a two parts or wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
There was a video that came out and it kind
of suggested that she might be moving and then the
follow up video had her confirmed as staying.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Is that how it played out?

Speaker 14 (01:18:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:18:28):
A little bit sneaky that, but that's how you get attention,
I guess. And on social media. Everyone's looking at social
media all the time, and everyone's got the memory bank
of a goldfish when they look at stuff on deck
to make it stand out. It wasn't the best thing
I saw on social media this week. I think the
best thing is that the added ass commercial for the
Euros for England and Jude Bellingham and repurposing Hey Jude

(01:18:51):
by the Beatles. I don't think it's going to change anything.
I think they're going to have more heartbreak. But anyway,
it was a nice little lad true I enjoyed that
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
I did, and I share your view on how this
might end for England. Back to your top sports people
are swimmer Arian Tipmas breaking the two hundred meter freestyle
world record Wednesday night at your Olympic selection trials in Brisbane.
She now has the two hundred and four hundred freestyle
world records and is reigning Olympic champion and both of them.
How what a favorite is Arin Tipmas for a double

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dose of gold in the pulled in Paris.

Speaker 20 (01:19:24):
Yeah, she's got a busy schedule again and everyone's coming
up to her, there's a Canadian swimmer and Summer Macintosh's
caddie or Decky is still around. And there's moll O'Callahan
in her own backyard. Literally they trained together, who pushed
her all away in that two hundred. Molly won the
one hundred last night in a stacked field, which was

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basically an Olympic final. And you had Emma McCann, who's
the reigning one hundred champ in the freestyle. She finished
sixth in that final. So we're going to have a
I mean, you look at guaranteed gold medals. I don't
know if New Zealand I've got one heading in someone
who literally has to turn up or a team that
literally has to turn up, but we've got one in
the four by one hundred women's relay for for the

(01:20:08):
Paris Olympics. That I just got that cupboard. But back
to Arian, Yeah, she's she's so good. She just aimed
up in that two hundred and broke the world record.
I think it's the only world record of the week
so far. It's been great. Let's captured everyone's attention again.
The swimmers would love our swimming when it comes to
the Olympics. Commort Games. So yeah, she's she's the star,

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she's the headline actor of that team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
O to have a oh, to have a guaranteed gold medal, Aim,
I don't know whether I can well, as you said it,
I was trying to think that there are a couple
that we're pretty confident about, but nobody who we would say,
you know, wrap it up, stick a bow on it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
But you will see it. We'll see what happens when
when the games roll around.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Of course, unlike US Australia safely through to the Super Rights,
the Cricket World Cup has been.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Disastrous for our cricketers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Ossie meantime three from three, Another World Cup coming your
way in the next three or four.

Speaker 20 (01:21:01):
Weeks potentially, But now it gets a bit difficult. The
pool stage was England was our only test. That we
play Scotland tomorrow, so they're improving. We should get past them.
We could manufacture a result and mean that, you know,
we happen to drop one and then Scotland get in
and England are out. But I don't think they're going
to do that. That's been a bit of a talk
out of more out of England this week than out

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of here. It just goes to show their psyche over
there that they get all jumpy when something like this
could occur. And Josh Haswood said something sneaky to press
conference the other day basically, oh yeah, we could be
in everyone interesting if we were out. I think it
was art joking but maybe. But yeah, our boys are
going well. But the real stuff starts now with the

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separ eight, so it gets a lot harder. Pitches are tricky,
there's no real consistency to a lot of them, so
it won't be an easy one to win.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
The real stuff starts now, not for us.

Speaker 11 (01:21:56):
In the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Oh, don't worry, it's been it's been examined and forensic
detail over here. Thought you worry about that?

Speaker 9 (01:22:02):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Great to ten has always have a great weekend. We'll
catch up again nixt Saturday.

Speaker 9 (01:22:07):
You too, Pony, Thanks mate, Thanks mate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
That's Adam Peacock, Roustratian correspondent. He joins us around this
time every Saturday afternoon. You gander a thirty seven for
seven after sixteen overs back in a moment on weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
weekends for it with Jason Pie they call eight hundred
and eighty eighty News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
NB four to two Man Afternoon's Flying after two o'clock.
The Warriors storm tonight seven point thirty. The last time
the Warriors big Melbourne Storm in a game of NRAL
Rugby League was twenty fifteen. Can they snap that tonight?
The tab has them favorite over the Melbourne Storm. Jackson
Ford's on the show after two o'clock to have a

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chat about that, and we'll go to the US Golf
Open at Pinehurst.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Number two.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Ryan Fox has made the cut. Who's looking good? Ossie
journalist Mike Clayton.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Scored with Jason Vine on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 16 (01:23:13):
It'd been.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
A seven past two until the last hour of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Then we'll hand it over to Tim Beveridge for the
Saturday edition of the Weekend Collective. I'm Jason Pine, Mark
Kelly is here too. We're here till three Warriors storm tonight.
Mount Smart's there to be rocking, another sold out occasion
for Warriors fans to enjoy. Will they Warriors fans enjoy
their first win over the Melbourne Storm in the last

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fifteen encounters dating back to twenty fifteen. That was the
last time the Warriors beat the Storm twenty fifteen. The
Storm have since won fifteen straight matches. But I just
checked the tab odds before and the Warriors are favorites
to beat the Storm off the back of three straight victories.
Of course, the return of Sean Johnson and Tahoo Harris,
among others. Jackson Ford has played every game for the

(01:24:01):
Warriors the season he's with us. In just a moment
ahead of this one, then we'll get you to Pinehurst.
Number two for the US Golf Open, Ryan Fox has
achieved his seventh.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Straight cut at a major. He's through. A couple of
big names have missed out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
We'll talk to Mike Clayton, who is both a golf
course designer and golf journalist, to wrap the first couple
of rounds and look ahead to prospects for the rest
of the US Golf Open. And well, the black Caps
might not be progressing through to the Super eight stages
of this Cricket World Cup, but there's another New Zealand
cricket side shortly heading off to their World Cup. It

(01:24:38):
is the New Zealand over seventies cricket team heading to
their World Cup in England to take on over seventies
nations from around the cricketing world. Jeremy Wilson as chairman
of New Zealand Veterans Cricket. He's part of the touring party.
He's going to join us before three o'clock for a
yarn about that. Speaking of the t twenty Cricket World Cup,

(01:25:01):
Uganda have been bowled out for forty so they've got
past their lowest ever or at a World Cup thirty nine,
but only just all out forty. So New Zealand will
come out in just a moment and chase down forty one,
or attempt to chase down. You'd have to think they'll
get there. Okay, even given the tournament so far, chase
down forty one to win. As I say, it won't matter.

(01:25:22):
They can't make it through to the Super eights round.
Now they'll play their final game against up On New Guinea,
then come home. We'll have a good chat about the
cricket tomorrow. You might have some thoughts about the way forward.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
I certainly have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Chris Ken's on the show tomorrow as well to talk
about that bowling figures treat Bolt two for seven, Tim
Soudy four overs, three for four, Mitchell sat in A
two for eight, Lacky Ferguson one for nine and rich
and Ravendra two for nine. So that we'll get certainly
shed round. As far as New Zealand we're concerned today.
We'll keep an eye on New Zealand's run chase. You'd
have to think that they'll get that done before we

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close our show at three o'clock. But with the time
approaching ten past two, it is time, as we always do,
to catch you up with the stuff you might have missed.
We call it and she missed it, and we cover
off as much as we can in a short period
of time. Starting at the Euros, Germany, the hosts have
crushed ten man Scotland five to one in the tournament

(01:26:17):
opener in Munich. Florrie and Vertz opened the scoring in
the tenth minute, space for the past, Jamal Mushiala extending
the lead nine minutes later.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
And m ray Chan completing the route and added time
suit tenous from every soon.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Yes, a five to one to Germany over Scotland. Scotland
played half the match downer player after Ryan Portius was
sent off just before halftime to the NRAL. The Cowboys
bouncing back from their defeat to the Warriors last time
out with a thirty four to sixteen victory over the
Raiders last night.

Speaker 7 (01:27:00):
Fell magnificent card fell con tolt his way over the line.
It's still got of carle Felt squeezes that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Call over and the rabbit Os continuing their mid season resurgence,
winning a third straight match twenty two twelve against the
Broncos in tarential rain in Sydney, walk.

Speaker 7 (01:27:20):
Gun mits all our lovely ball, Alex tufton the records,
can't fine tumbling goose loose legend.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
That is now the most tribes by a fire at
a single club here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
That was Alex Johnston's one hundred and ninety first try
for the rabbit Os, taking him past Billy Slater with
the most for one NRL club. Closer to home, the
Tartanaky Airs have handed the Southland Sharks are ninety four
to sixty one hiding and then New Zealand National Basketball
League clash In and Bicargo rw it on the break
another two for him dig start tonight for Sam Frawling

(01:27:59):
what Wednesday night away? Forget about it, because he has
come out and started on fire.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
He's up to ten.

Speaker 9 (01:28:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Sam Fowling leading the way thirty one points and six rebounds.
Tatanhaki up to third on the ladder behind Canterbury and Auckland.
And Afghanistan have thrashed Papa New Guinea by seven wickets
to move into the Super eight stages at the T
twenty Cricket World Cup.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Set just ninety six for.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Victory, Afghanistan strolled to the target with almost five overs
to spare.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
It's gone high up in the air, there's a field
underneath it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
It doesn't matter. Goes all the way for six and
what away?

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
But gun is done to charge into.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
The super eights and not New Zealand Arts of the
ICC Men's T twenty World Cup.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
The biggest things in sport are on Weekend Sport with.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home
builder News Dogs they'd.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Be coming up thirteen past two.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Massive occasion in coming at a sold out Mount Smart
Stadium tonight in NRL Round fifteen action. The Warriors looking
for a fourth straight victory up against the top of
the table. Melbourne Storm Warriors second rower Jackson Ford is
one of only two players to start every game for
the Warriors this season.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
Tot's on the left the side Jison over the Warriors yep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Fourteen starts from fourteen games for Jackson Ford this season.
The other player to start every game Mitch Barnett. Jackson,
thanks for taking the time for a chat. What has
been different these last three games with three straight victories
for the Warriors?

Speaker 19 (01:29:41):
Not real chort to be honest. We've had a game
against Penneth, we had a bit of a you know,
fety injuries and that I think the boosters sort of
thought it's now whenever you know, we're sort of slipping
down the end of the table. We've got to say
it to play for each week, but I think you're
some games there they must wins for us. But there

(01:30:01):
was definitely a lot of confidence now in the boys
and hopefully we can start to get a roll on
over these next few weeks and start to yeah, just
climb that table.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Last weekends went over the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
What forty two twelve felt like a real statement that
the Warriors are back on track?

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Is that how it felt internally.

Speaker 19 (01:30:19):
Yeah, in a way like I feel like our attacks
sort of coming back and our defense is coming back.
I feel like you're sort of starting to see how
we can play now. I think we've been in a
bit of a slumpet. I know we can definitely play,
you know, that nice attacking sort of and defensive game,
and we're just trying to improve each week, and it's
good to see that we're getting some results as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
How did you handle the challenges of going five straight
games without a win from mid April into mid May.

Speaker 19 (01:30:49):
Yeah, it's tough, like when you're in that sort of slump,
but you don't know, you don't sort of know exactly
why you're sort of losing, and you know, he's got
to sort of just keep coming into training after a
loss and sort of just looking forward to that next win.
But when you don't get that next win, you've got
to come in again, and you know, you're Batters and Brews,
and you know, we had plenty of injuries after each game,

(01:31:11):
but we you know, you just got to keep getting
in there, ripping in and just sort of believing that
we're going to turn it around.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Well, it certainly has come right last weekend you move
from the second row into into prop does that change much,
you know, as far as the specific challenges or requirements
of that role are concerned.

Speaker 19 (01:31:30):
Yeah, I felt like I was pretty comfortable with, like
getting comfortable with that back row spot. But now you know,
there's some sort of different parts in the game that
I've got to sort of focus on. Like it's just
I don't know, in a way, it sort of it
becomes a bit more energy efficient, like when you're in

(01:31:51):
that spot, like when you're not thinking clear and like
you don't really know what like you're in different positions,
it sort of takes it out of you a bit.
But just the main thing just is tackle and keep
running hard in the in the middle, it's just a
sort of washing machine, as they say, like, yeah, just
trying to win every tackle and there's a lot of
tackles in there, so just got to sort of keep going.

(01:32:12):
But yeah, I've been liking it. It's been been fun
and it's good to see we've been getting some wins,
so it's been good.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Those collision areas, it must take something pretty strong mentally
to want to, you know, tackle after tackle game after
game go into those collision areas. Is that Is that
something that you've developed over your career or have you
always had it?

Speaker 19 (01:32:38):
I don't know, a bit of both. Probably Like it's
it's definitely pretty tough. Like I can't say if I
haven't worked for a b I don't know. It's sort
of it is tough. I guess you've got to win
the first couple, or if you don't win the first
ones and they get some quick play the balls, you're
going to be struggling to get the next to So
I guess it's got to win those first couple and
they give away six agains.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
Is it mental?

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
And is it mental in many ways? You know, actually
wanting to put your body on the line like that.

Speaker 19 (01:33:06):
It yeah, if you're if you've got some injuries and
like you know, you've got a source you know, arm
or something like a sternhum or something like that, and
you're not fully prepared to put your body on the line,
you're definitely not gonna You're gonna show it out there.
And I think you've got to come each week mentually
ready to put your body on the line for the boys.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Sean Johnson back tonight. How does that change the shape
of the team particularly on a tack.

Speaker 19 (01:33:33):
He'll provide a.

Speaker 11 (01:33:34):
Lot for us.

Speaker 19 (01:33:35):
He's got a good kicking game. He's keen ass to
get back in there, and I'm sure he's watching from
the sidelines training hard, So it won't change much. We
sort of we sort of keep it our sort of
game plan. Somebody will still be there. So he's been
doing the ship around pretty well, like he's very well actually,
So he's been unreal for us while Sean's been away.

(01:33:57):
So it's good to have both of them now and
hopefully they're both informed and playing off each other nicely.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Yeah, you're right about to mighty Martin, and everyone's been
just some priest with with how he's gone and that Steven,
But I guess internally you would have known how good
he was.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
But but has it been in any.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Way a pleasant surprise that he's stepped up in Sean's absence.

Speaker 19 (01:34:16):
Yeah, he's an unreal trainer and like he you know,
he's put a lot of work into his game over
the last two years, so he's he's definitely deserved there
what he's gotten in that middle row where he gets
to touch the ball a lot more, he's definitely succeeded
and he's been doing it. It's good to see.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
And your second season at the Warriors. Obviously you've played
more games in those two seasons. I'm only about halfway
through this one than you did in all four of
your years at Saint George. Wherever the big growth theory
has come in your game that have led to you
becoming a regular starter at the Warriors.

Speaker 19 (01:34:53):
Sort of just moved over here for an opportunity. I know,
I had to knuckle down. Like, to be honest, there
not many teams wanted me after the Saint George, but
where he gave me an opportunity, and I just said
that it was sort of my to, you know, like it.

Speaker 12 (01:35:09):
Was my time.

Speaker 19 (01:35:09):
If I wanted to be an ale player, I've got
to train hard, and I come over here to knuckle down.
And I mean, he hasn't looked back, and he's been
been starting me, and I've been like, you know, I
haven't been very grateful for every every week.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
I get why didn't Why don't you think? Do you
really think not many other teams were that keen on you?

Speaker 19 (01:35:27):
Oh yeah, I was not really Like I didn't play
very many games at all, Like and I was just
coming off the bench man playing twenty minutes and men
like manager had a girl chatt and we didn't have
much coming. So I just sort of thought best thing
for my career would be to head over to Zealand
and just slowly focused on football.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
And you've tuned up here and you've hardly missed a game,
so it's obviously beating the right decision.

Speaker 19 (01:35:51):
Yeah, it's really good decision.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Absolutely. The Storm, the Melbourne Storm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Can't get away from the fact the Warriors haven't beaten
the Storm for quite a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Why are they so difficult to overcome?

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
It is a great team.

Speaker 19 (01:36:06):
They've been great for the last you know century sort
of thing like they're just a really good team. They
got their big forwards and they've got their speedmen out
the back that that fights everything. I don't know, just
their team culture always everyone know, they sort of talks
about that.

Speaker 12 (01:36:22):
I guess.

Speaker 19 (01:36:22):
So they're just a yeah, they they're a really good
team and they don't lose many games.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I think back to round two, you you know, it
looked like you're going to break that long standing duck.
How much did that last minute lost with Xavier Coach
scoring that outrageous try at the end how much of
that sting on that night.

Speaker 19 (01:36:37):
Yeah, that was a hard one. That was a hard
one to swallow. I think everyone sort of always hard
to you know, you can't do that, you can't think
you're going to win the game with you know, ten
minutes to go. You've got to keep keep going. And
we sort of saw asleep a little bit there. And
but there were some freakish tries there, like we did.

(01:36:58):
We tried our best, but you just got to give
it to the team as well, like they they probably
you know, come up with some really good players there.
It got them to win in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
And Yeah, and another mess of crowd coming tonight, sold
out again and hardly surprising with a contest of this magnitude.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
That must be really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Is it when you're driving to the game and you
see fans sort of getting ready to get there and
sort of loading up, getting themselves ready. Is that kind
of add a little bit of extra energy to you
as you as you know you're going to have these
pack stands again tonight.

Speaker 19 (01:37:30):
Yeah, it's a massive Home games are massive for us.
It's m it's always sold out. I think they're sold
out for the next three weeks. To your home games,
which is crazy and I don't think we've played there
that hasn't been sold out for the last my whole
pretty much my whole career. Yeah, the worries. Yeah, it's

(01:37:50):
good to drive in, see all the jerseys, all the
flags going around. It's a going to be like a
night one, so it's going to be nice and dark hopefully,
and how they ride up the coming out of the
shed there, so it's an unreal feeling and can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Yeah, we can't wait either, Jackson. Great a chat. You
made all the best against the storm tonight. Really appreciate
you're taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 20 (01:38:12):
No, yeess appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
No, appreciate your time, Jackson, Jackson Ford. Then out of
the Warriors seven thirty tonight. Good to know that for
sports viewers who enjoy their rugby and their rugby league
are no clash. Super Rugby semi Final four to thirty
Warriors at seven thirty. If this Super Rugby semi final
happens to be level after eighty minutes, they go into
golden point. Sorry, they go into extra time and then

(01:38:36):
golden point extra time and then if it's still level
after that, so there's ten minutes of there's ten minutes
of extra time. If it's still level, they play up
to ten minutes of golden point extra time, so the
first team to score a try or a drop goal
or a penalty wins. If it's still level. After that
they go to the They go to the shots at goal.

(01:38:58):
Five players have to have a shot at goal from
along the twenty two. They line one up basically in
the middle and then off to the side and then
out on the sideline, and five players have to kick
at goal. It's like a penalty shootout. I don't think
I've ever seen one. I know they've happened, I've seen
online footage. I'm not suggesting that's what we're after tonight,

(01:39:21):
but that is the way they separate the teams in
the Super Rugby semi if they are level at the end,
extra time for ten minutes golden point extra time and
then the shots at goal shootout or whatever they want
to call it. New Zealander five without lost. Coming towards
the end of the first over chasing forty one to
beat Uganda at the T twenty World Cup. On email

(01:39:44):
from Leonoys Enjoy your correspondence, Leon Piney. The idea of
holding an Origin game in Auckland could be lucrative, but
the biggest herd life feel will be its midweek and
the finishing time. Most in attendance would have work and
school the next day, so arriving home between one and
two in the morning would be a big obstacle. Also,
in the NBA Finals, I picked, says Leon Boston and six,
it looks like Dallas will save some face today, but

(01:40:05):
insane that it'll all most likely wrap early next week
in Game five. The Celtics will be happy to return
home and win it all in front of their home
fans and what is known as a gentleman's sweep, that's
when you win four to one. Here's a crazy statsa
is Lee on history shows that teams leading three games
to nil are one hundred and fifty six And oh

(01:40:26):
and I can't see that Celtics changing that This series
finally go your Hurricanes tonight and what should be a
close and brutal contest. It'd be nice to see the
Canes host the final after a very consistent season. Well,
I agree with that, Leon, but then I'm very biased
when it comes to the Hurricanes.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
Two twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
We'll take a comeback talk some golf wrap the first
two rounds of the US Golf Open at Pinehurst. Number
two Ryan Fox has safely made the cut, a couple
of big names have missed out. Who's up near the
top of the leader board? Who might win it? We're
going to chat to golf journalist and former course designer
Mike Clayton when we come back.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
It's more than just a game. He cams for it
with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted
home builder News TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
News Talks There two twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Just a couple of small corrections to what I said
before about the game going into extra time. So it's
two ten minute periods. If it's level at eighty minutes,
they play two ten minute periods of extra time, regardless
of if anybody scores in those periods. If it's still
tight after that, then they have up to ten minutes
of sudden death, and if it's still tight after that,

(01:41:36):
we move to the kicking competition. And you don't have
to convert it from the sideline. The first one is
from in front, the second one is on the fifteen
met a line on the left hand side. Facing the posts.
The third one is on the fifteen met a line
on the right hand side, facing the posts, and then
they move back out to in front again and you
just rotate your way around. There are five kicks, like
a penalty shootout in football, So five kickers and then

(01:42:01):
once you yeah so, and once you go past the
in front of the post to the left and to
the you go back to the front again.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
So that's how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Like I say, it would take a lot has to
happen before we get to a place kicking competition, but
that's how it would work if in fact we do
keepig golf of Ryan Fox has achieved his seventh straight
cut and a major. It was a close run thing,
though Fox had to think a part of less than
a meter to scrape into the weekend at the US
Open at Pinehurst number two, bogeying his last hole but
doing just enough to hit the five over par cut line.

(01:42:31):
He's tied for fifty seventh and last of those to
make the weekend, ten shots behind leader Ludwig Oberg of Sweden,
who's on top of the leader board by one shot
at five under, ahead of a three strong chasing pack.
Northern Irishman Rory McElroy is a shot further back on
three under Tiger Woods, missed the cut by two strokes.

(01:42:53):
There was a special moment, though, provided by Italian veteran
Francesco MOLINARISI.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
Pusa sabstraka, we've got a good cunts. Look at this,
look at facts. Come dad, come, oh my gosh, to
maybe make the cut.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Yeah, he did make the cut. That was Francesco Molinary
playing the ninth, which was his eighteenth hole. It was
just a fifty third hole in one in US Open history,
emulating step Striker who had done the same earlier in
the day. Let's bring in golf writer and course architect
Mike Clayton. You can find Mike on your socials at
Mike Clayton Golf. Mike would have been the main storylines

(01:43:36):
of the first couple of rounds of the US Open
for you.

Speaker 9 (01:43:39):
Wow, the course, how brutally precise you have to be
otherwise you're off those greens in a second. The wildest
story ever was Molinary making your hole in wand to
make the cut, wasn't that? Yes, it's like completely mad.
I I've seen some kind of crazy things to make cuts,
but it often's there, hold in want to make a cut.

(01:44:03):
Oberg is great, you know, he's everyone knows how good
he is. So he's leading and yeah, not really a surprise.
How while he's playing is he's been a pro year
and he's you know, obviously reminds us of Adam Scott
and Steve Elkington.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Really you want to talk about Oberg?

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Yeah, I want to talk a bit more about him
in a moment. Just just something you wrote during the
week really resonated. You wrote that this tournament isn't going
to be so much about how many greens you hit,
but where you missed them and how well you managed
to get the next shot close enough to save pars
and bogies.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Has that proven to be the case in the first
two rounds.

Speaker 9 (01:44:45):
Yeah. I was just watching some day m playing the
ninth hole and he's missing the car by a mile,
but he hit a beautiful shot and took his part
out of the bag. The ball tick all past the hole.
It's only twenty yards over the green. I mean, so
you know it's how you you can hit all thost
perfect shots and you're off the green, So it's you know,

(01:45:07):
that's how you scramble. You know, and get up and
down from there. And it's also how if you play
that The group behind played played the night toll and
was someone hitter? Now they just played it thirty five
feet short of the hole, which is obviously where you've
got to hit it to keep it on the green.

(01:45:28):
You know, if you go back to that hole, you
rather make it one like while and Ury did, or
you go, you know, do it. Some did pretty much
the same shot, go three feet too far and he's
thirty hours out of the green. So it's you've got
to be so precise and so careful with what you do.
So it's and it's unusual in that it's you know,

(01:45:49):
the green's art surrounded by long green, thick grass, which
is just a horrible way to play golf. But you
know it's a very American way of setting up that
normal US Open type setup. But this is much more
interesting to watch. But if you've built this course for
a club member, they were just they would go completely mad.

(01:46:10):
The would think they were joking. But it's a public course,
so you know, there are no members, so people come
and go and they accept it for what it is.
But as I said, as a member's course, they would
go ballistic if you if you build the storm to
play all.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Right, just talk about the leader, Ludwig Aberg sixty six,
sixty ninety five under one shot clear of a group
of players. How equipped do you think he is Mike
to hold his nerve in arounds.

Speaker 4 (01:46:39):
Three and four.

Speaker 9 (01:46:42):
I think very You know, he's Swedish and logical, and
he's not like he's super young. He's twenty four to
twenty five, so I mean he stayed in college for
four years, which is unusual for a non American in
this era. But he's we forget that Jerry pateron US

(01:47:02):
Open at twenty two, and Sevy was runner up in
the Ish Open at nineteen, and so he's not. You know,
there've been great young players before who've handled this sort
of pressure and this sort of you know, it comes
out how well you play ultimately, and the guys behind him,
Rory is kind of the guy that, you know, it's unbelievable.

(01:47:25):
It's been ten years. Can see one of major which
he threw it two behind. So if you're Rory, you
couldn't have asked a better position to be. And I
think so you know how it all plays out in
the weekend is you know, there'll be some luck involved,
there'll be some great shots involved, the will be some
amazing scrambling involved with the whole lot of stuff going
to know who gets there in the end. I mean,

(01:47:48):
Bryson's the you know, the wild card who you know,
you never really know how he's playing. He's playing on
live and no one pays much attention to that. But
he's the one lived guy who seems to you know,
stand up in the majors and play well every time,
so always fascinated to watch what he does.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
You got all a long way down to find Scotty
Schiffler world number one, hottest player in golf right now,
but five either only just made the cup.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
What happened to him?

Speaker 9 (01:48:15):
Well, it's a lot of bad shots, but look at it.
You know he's driving in the rough and missing greens
and yeah it's not you know, five overs not. I
mean one forty five in the US Open. It's a
past seventy with the sixteenth holes fifty hours longer than
the twelfth of row model, which is a part five.
So you know it's a super strict past seventy. So

(01:48:37):
one forty five is never horrible golf and it's not
like you can't do something from there. You know, he
would have to shoot a couple of great rounds, but
it's not like he's completely out of it. I mean,
five undercred easily when the tournament. So you know, Scheffler
went out and shot a couple of sixty seven, he
would be very close to winning it. But he's had

(01:49:00):
you know, he's had a crazy year where he's played
great golf. But you know, it's a fickle game, and
you can can you know, it's not easy to win
week after week after week.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Yeah, and he's been being suburb So five under could win.
What do you think five under one? Or are we
looking at a eight or nine under winning four round
score here?

Speaker 9 (01:49:23):
It depends. I mean the weather is probably not going
to change much, but it depends what they do with
the golf course. If if they were they put the
pins and it's a typical kind of US Open week
where they start up on Thursday. Everyone's bitching your money
about the golf course on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, so it
seems like they kind of overreact and make it playable

(01:49:44):
on Thursday when you have you know, the typical use,
So you might have fifteen or twenty guys underpart, then
it's ten guys by Friday night. Then it's three guys
by Sunday by Saturday night, because they can they can
dictate what scores they shoot by how they set the
golf course up. So if they decided that they wanted
five under the win, they can set the great golf

(01:50:05):
course up five and is going to win. So it
depends what they do, really, what are they likely to
what are they likely to do? I think they like five.
They like five underwinning. Yeah, they certainly don't like ken
underwinning shot timers shot. I think Kimas shot two sixty
five and then shot one over on the weekend, so

(01:50:26):
he was nine under. But they like, you know, they like,
even though they never admit it, they like, you know,
scores around par winning. And they always manipulate the power
a little bit so that they'll take a course that
Pebble Beach is normally past them two make it a

(01:50:47):
seventy wines. You know. That's often what they do is
change the part of the golf course so few are
under par wings. But if you look at the total
number of strokes, then it's often not that far away
from what the masters is. It's just the masters don't
fill the whear their power.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Do you think the pliers enjoy the challenge?

Speaker 9 (01:51:08):
You would need to be in the locker room to
find that out, because that's where you hear all the
bitching the ones who U I think they do, but
I think this is not what they get week to
week on the trust. The problem with pro golf is
they think golf should be fair, and the best golf

(01:51:31):
is rarely fair. In fact, that they look at the
old course, it's and Andrews, which is probably the best
course in the world. It's inherently unfair that there are
bunkers in the middle of the fairways that are an
out of bounds line down almost every hole coming in
on the back nine, and you know, if you're three
feet inside the out of bounds line, you're perfectly your
three thought on the other side of its two chapales.

(01:51:55):
So you know, it's a wildly unfair golf course if
you want to look at it that way. But it's
also the best course in the world. So I've often
said dealing with the people think that golfs are mental game,
and it kind of is. But the great mental challenge
of golf is dealing with its inherent unfairness, and the

(01:52:16):
PGA Tours spends all this time trying to make the
game fair because that's what the players want. The players
pitch your moon if they come across something that they
think is unfair. But what is unfair is often the
most interesting form of the game, and this is this
is borderline unfair. But it's also if you're not playing,
it's also great fun to watch. But if you're a
player and you've just kind of what you call was

(01:52:39):
a pretty good shot that's tickled off the back of
the green, you've taken three to get up and down
and miss a cup by shot, then you're not going
to feel too good about the place. But that's the
nature of the game and the nature of pro goalf
for it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
So who are the PGA Tours serving?

Speaker 5 (01:52:52):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Are they serving the players all the fans? How should
they be serving?

Speaker 9 (01:52:55):
Well, the PG two are serving the player, but this
is not the PG two. This is the USCA. So
the USCA is serving the USCA and the us Open.
And they couldn't care less about what the players think
about the golf course because they've had sixty five years
of playing players bitching about USA and golf courses, so
you know this is nothing new to them. And you know,

(01:53:17):
they get very close to the line most of the time,
and sometimes they go over Shinnacock a few years ago
when Nicholson baded that Pat was still moving back up
the green, and you know they lost the golf course
that particular Saturday. So because they get so close to
the line, they always run the risk of going over it,

(01:53:38):
and occasionally they do. But I think they've handled this
one pretty well. And their job is not to keep
the players happy. But the PGA Tour their job is
to kin't keep the players happy because otherwise they well
they bitch your moon, you know, forever, or they go
and Simon live. So you know, it's a player run organization,

(01:54:01):
whereas the USCA is not.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Mike Great, did you very instructional? Thanks for taking the time, Clayton,
their former course architect and golf journalist. So two rounds
gone at the US Open at Pinehurst number two. Ludwig
Oberg is the outright leader at five under and a
group of players chasing him, Bryson de Chambeau, the German
Thomas Dettley, and another American, Patrick Kantley at four under.

(01:54:24):
Rory McElroy poys to strike at three under alongside Tony
Finale and Martheu Pavon, who coming down the streetch was
actually the joint leader before dropping a couple of shots
on the last couple of holes. Ryan Fox has made
the cut. He will play the weekend. Has seventh straight
cut made at a major. Nothing to be sneezed at
nineteen away from three. Just checking on the cricket score.

(01:54:48):
With New Zealand chasing forty one to beat Uganda in
the T twenty Cricket World Cup group match between the two,
they're twenty four without loss in the fifth over. I
think they've gone upstairs for a third umpire decision here.
We won't wait to find the result of that, but
we will talk some more cricket shortly. Another New Zealand

(01:55:08):
cricket side is headed off to its World Cup shortly.
More on that than just a moment on weekend sport.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
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Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
Dogs coming up to forty five.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
The outcome of that third umpire deliberation referral was a
wicket fin Allan's out for nine. New Zealand through to
twenty five for one, make that twenty nine for one,
chasing just forty one to win this game, but Finnalen
back in the hatch for nine of seventeen bulls seven
Conwait and rich and Ravendra together at the crease hasn't

(01:55:50):
gone as they would have hoped. But another New Zealand
cricket side is heading off to a World Cup shortly.
The New Zealand over seventies cricket team will participate at
the over seventy World Cup in England next month. Veterans
Cricket has experienced substantial growth, not only here in New
Zealand but around the world on the last decade or
so Jeremy Wilson as chairman of New Zealand Veterans Cricket.

(01:56:15):
He joins us now, Jeremy, how long has New Zealand
Veterans Cricket existed as an organization here?

Speaker 17 (01:56:22):
We started, Jason eight years ago with a group in
Wellington who got four over sixty teams together, and since
then the growth of veterans. Cricket has been extraordinary, not
just in New Zealand but all around the world. And
today we have a New Zealand forties, fifties, fifty five,
sixties and seventies teams that compete in provincial tournaments and

(01:56:45):
at forties, fifty, sixteen seventies level we have World Cups
with participation of up to twelve countries in those tournaments.

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
Absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
So when you first got together eight years ago, could
you have imagined the explosion and popularity of cricket.

Speaker 4 (01:57:01):
Of this type.

Speaker 17 (01:57:02):
No, we had no idea. But what it does reflect, Jason,
is that my dad went to the Second World War
smoke cigarette and by the time he was sixty he
was shot a bit. But nowadays people are looking after themselves,
they're going to the gym, still viable to play sport
into a ripe old age and that's what we're seeing

(01:57:23):
in this and plus participation is everything, and the guys
just loved still being involved in cricket, the camaraderie as
well as the sport.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Is it mainly players who have played cricket in their
younger days and just want to carry on their passion
for the game or are you finding new players to
the game at this age group.

Speaker 17 (01:57:45):
Surprisingly, yeah, we are finding guys who've never played cricket
and suddenly, in their fifties they decided they want to
take it up as an example. And you know, their
skill is not the same as someone who's played it
since a very early age. But look, we just welcome
everyone and it's been an absolute blast and just a

(01:58:06):
really good bunch of blokes who play it in the
right spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Competitive though, Jeremy, I would imagine there would still be
the spirit of competition and the competitive juices running through
some of the players.

Speaker 17 (01:58:17):
Jason, you have no idea. We're out there to win.

Speaker 9 (01:58:20):
Ha.

Speaker 14 (01:58:21):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
I love it, and I often say that the that
the you know, the the mind is willing, but the
body isn't necessarily. I mean, are you still finding, you know,
relatively fast bowlers in the in the veterans landscape.

Speaker 17 (01:58:37):
We've got a guy in over Stix. The Dean asked
you who played first class cricket. Dean's about six foot
four six took five and he is seriously quick. And
then when you get to the say the forties with
the Marshall boys playing and some of those other ex internationals,
you know that they are very slippery and but we're

(01:58:57):
all keen as mustard. I saw a game with the
Australian over seventies team a couple of years ago and
un thought these old blots won't be much. They were
diving in the outfield firing the ball and they are
very competitive and highly skilled. And if you saw the
size of the competition in Australia and England in over
age cricket, there's full county championship, state championships and so on,

(01:59:20):
it's extraordinary. But they yeah the Aaron Goodnick and they
still compete fiercely.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
Tell us about the New Zealand team heading to the
seventies World cupin in England next month.

Speaker 17 (01:59:30):
Well, we've got a collection of guys that with a
couple of X first class cricketers. Paul F Curry played
for Otago. John Cushion played for Otaga in Auckland. John
Cushion is the man that got Jeffrey Boycott out once
at Eden Park, so he's very proud of that. But
mainly they're just a group of guys that have kept
playing as keen as mustard. We've got a training weekend

(01:59:52):
coming up this weekend in christ Church, but he's a
Richard Henley Center and from all around the country and
they'll be going off to England to play several games
around the Windsor area. The headquarters for the competition is
at Warmsley, which is Sir John Paulghetty's private cricket ground.

(02:00:14):
It was on on TV last night in an English
program which had the setting of a cricket game. And
then our opening function is at Eton. So it's going
to be a fantastic experience to go over there and
play against all these other countries in those sorts of settings.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
You mentioned other countries, who are you know who are
involved and you talked about England and Australia. What about
the likes of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Jeremy they have
Do they have veteran setups?

Speaker 17 (02:00:41):
Yes, they certainly do. Pakistan won the first over sixties
World Cup. We got runner up in that in the sixties,
that host of the forties World Cup tournament. South Africa
are very strong than Barbwee. USA and Canada are both strong.
They're very much made up of players or people from

(02:01:01):
x from the Asian subcontinent. So yeah, Wales. Yeah, it's
a full representation of all the cricket nations.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
And you talked about some of the grounds that you
play on there. I'd imagine that'd be just just sort
of picture perfect grounds, wouldn't they. I can imagine you're
playing on you know, with picket fences and you know,
and and delicious lunches, that sort.

Speaker 17 (02:01:22):
Of thing they kill you with, kinda the sponge cakes.
They give you an afternoon tea and sure that you
can't run a three after after afternoon tea. And look,
the village ground steppings are just fabulous. I think the
county competition over there is extraordinarily strong, and teams from

(02:01:43):
Wales and Scotland participate as well, and they just love
their cricket in England.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
Absolutely brilliant. Jeremy, it sounds magnificent. So, I mean, I
know we're in the middle of winter now in New Zealand,
but I'm sure this has piacked the interest of those
you know over the age of forty. You are quite
keen on, you know, continuing their cricket journey. Do you
have a website or a way of getting in touch.

Speaker 17 (02:02:03):
We've just been in the process of doing a new
website for veterans because we've outgrown Ow' justting one, but
New Zealand Cricket through their community contact page have got
all the details of the coordinators in different areas and
we have provincial tournaments as well as the National Games
and we go over and play against the Australian State.
So there's a lot of cricket and we've got several

(02:02:25):
teams touring here next year from overseas and it just
continues to expand and grow. Our biggest issue is accessing
all the resources we need in the grounds and the facilities.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
Well, from a fourteen tournament in Potny eight years ago
to where you are now, Jeremy, off to a World
Cup next year and lots of involvement for cricketers who
want to keep the flame burning. Thank you so much
for joining us on news talks. He'd be this afternoon
and all the best in England next month.

Speaker 4 (02:02:54):
Thanks Jason, Thanks Jeremy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Jeremy Wilson, Chairman of New Zealand Veterans Cricket. The Black
Calves have beaten you Ganda by nine wickets, reaching forty
one for one and the sixth over with Conway and
Ravendra together seven and a half away from three.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
on eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine, News Talk.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
ZB four and a half to three. That's us for
Weekend Sport for today, quick look aheads tomorrow. Our guests
include Nick Willis, multi Olympian and double Olympic medalist from
the fifteen hundred metres, Conrad Smith's on the show tomorrow
and what happens today in the Super Rugby and the
League We will cover that off as well. Huge thanks
to Mark Kelly for producing the show. You get the
honor of the exit song Mark, Oh.

Speaker 21 (02:03:37):
Thank you by man. This has to be one of
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and one, sung by Lappie Mariner who fun fact of
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Dean Mariner. This is keeping the whole matter of faith.
Huge game tonight. As you mentioned through the show, I
haven't been the storm since twenty fifteen and tonight is
the night mate.

Speaker 4 (02:03:58):
Looking forward to it, enjoy it. We'll see tomorrow folks.

Speaker 7 (02:04:11):
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