June 15, 2024 • 16 mins
New Zealand managed a nine-wicket win over Uganda in the T20 World Cup - but it's too little, too late.
The Black Caps were knocked out of contention for the Super Eight after losses to Afghanistan and the West Indies.
Former Black Caps all-rounder Chris Cairns joined Piney to discuss the losses.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
So the T twenty Cricket World Cup will go into
its Super eight stages without New Zealand's involvement. Losses to
Afghanistan and the West Indies have put paid to the
black Caps chances. They accounted comfortably, of course, for Uganda
by nine wickets yesterday, and they'll complete their tournament against
Papua New Guinea in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
One of the great New Zealand all rounders is Chris Kens.
(00:44):
He played sixty two Test matches, two hundred and fifteen
One Day Internationals and two T twenty Internationals for the
black Caps in a career which spanned from nineteen eighty
nine to two thousand and six. Perhaps his finest moment
was in the final of the two thousand ICC Knockout
Trophy against India in Nairobi.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Flow up. All that's kansis hundred. What a fine any
that is punches the air in delight. That is a
marvelous effort from the man who wasn't even sure it's
going to play this morning. One hundred from one hundred
and ten balls. Remember, if the scores a level, we
have a bowl out. Ken's has to go over the top.
The fielders are crowning him full task, They've got it.
(01:24):
New Zealand to there worked away for the single that
gives New Zealand victory two sixty five for six. What
a stunning effort that is. New Zealand win this ICC
knock out trophy by four wickets. Chris Kens, who wasn't
even sure that he could play this morning because of
that injured knee, has got an unbeaten one hundred and
(01:48):
two and a steered New Zealand to a wonderful wink.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I had to believe. That's nearly quarter of a
century ago. Now, the year two thousand. Chris Keynes joins
us from where he lives now in Australia. Chris, thanks
for taking the time to chat here on news talks.
He'd be how deeply should we examine new Land's exit
in the group stages of this T twenty Cricket World Cup.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, look, it's a good question. I actually I knew
I was going to have a chat to you guys.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I sort of I thought about it last night and
I sort of tried to look at, you know, what
was going on. The negatives are positives and I then
sort of had a look at over the last ten years.
You know, this is an outlier, right, So, performance wise,
I think New Zealand at major tournaments over the last
several years have been tremendous.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
They have been excellent.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
So so given the preparation or lack of it, and
given what occurred how quickly it was, I don't think
you can dig too deep into this.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
A lot's being made of the lack of walm up
matches ahead of the tournament. How much difference might it
have made if that had a couple of pre tournament
had outs.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Oh, a huge, huge amount of difference because you had
guys as well who were at the IPL but not
really playing. I mean there was you know a few
guys who were there for quite some time, you know,
sitting on the sidelines.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And you can't beat match played. I mean you can.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You can net as much as you like, you can
practice as much as you like, but if you're if
you're not sort of match fit. Then you know, that's
a that makes a huge amount of difference. And then
also those rain outs at the beginning of the tournament,
so you know, again I come back, I don't given
the nature of how quick this thing turns around. Yeah,
I personally don't think you can look too much into this.
(03:31):
I mean, I just think it was a performance that
doesn't be lie sort of where New Zealand's been out
over the last several years.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So it's an outlie then for you, Chris, it's it's
it's nothing too much to worry about. So what should
we take any lessons from it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Though?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
How should we move forward here?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, I suppose you've got to prepare.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I mean the lessons really are just if you get
in that situation in a tournament in the you know,
in the future, you know, what do you do? But
but you know, given given the nature of you know,
the things that were out of their control like weather,
and that's a that's a huge thing. And then you know,
guys they just look rusty, you know, even with the
bat in the field, especially in that first match as well,
which again is an outlier for a New Zealand team.
(04:14):
So so you know, yeah, yeah, you can analyze these
things to the degree, but I just I just really
don't think it's worth it in this scenario. The big
thing now, though, is that you've got the likes of
Saudi and Bolt and Williamson some key players coming towards
the end of their careers. So you know, you're looking
at contingencies now and sort of moving forward. I think
(04:35):
the talent I D aspect and what the team's going
to look like, I think that's more prevalent to sort
of analyzing the performance of this work cup.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Have you got a gut feel on what that might
look like beyond some of the players that you talked about.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I think not really. I think that though.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Look, I mean, Bolton Saudia are still going tremendously well,
and you know, and again Williamson just keeps turning it out.
So whether they've got a couple of years still left
in them, you know, only they know. And so you know,
I think that, you know, I'm sure Gary Stead now
will starting to plan for the future. And we saw
I think during the home series last summer. You know,
(05:13):
there's there's young talent coming through in the bowling department.
You know, we need to identify and bring forward a
replacement for Williamson. I mean, you know that's going to
be extremely difficult. I mean, he's a once in a
generation player, so so people are going to have to
start stepping up. But I do think that there needs
to be some planning now sort of you know, going
forward for the future.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Might the days of the three format player be coming
to an end? Might we see more specialization?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Maybe, you know, possibly, I do think you know, in time,
you know, as the riches and the I p O
increase and players place a premium you know, on those
contracts just purely because the value of them, you know,
you're going to see.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That naturally appear. Anyway.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I think it's like it's, you know, as the IPL
season grows and sort of gets bigger and a team
or two gets added, you know, that to me appears
in there. So you're going to have players that perhaps
you know, are focused on that T twenty element just
purely from a financial point of view, because it's just
makes sense. And you know that's gonna that's going to
pose all sorts of problems from an international point of
(06:20):
view and how and how those sort of games and
those the season continues and what that sort of looks like.
So over the next five to ten years, Yeah, cricket,
cricket's going to transition, I think quite significantly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, what can you say, what what is your crystal
ball telling you?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I think cricket could end up like like soccer, like football,
and that you know, the season in India.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
As I say, we'll just get bigger because of.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The financial windfall and benefits that occur off the back
of that product, which is an amazing products.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
It's a great it's a great.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Brand, it's a great competition, and and I just think
that that will get bigger and stronger. And then if
you've got one or two more leagues around that, you know,
guys will be making significant income. So then I just
think that what will occur You'll have windows for World Cups,
windows for international matches, but but primarily cricket will become
(07:15):
sort of a domestic orientated or dominated game around the world,
much as much as like soccer soccer does. And if
you look at the biggest leagues in the world, they're
all domestic. You know, you look at the NBA, basketball, NFL,
Major League Baseball, and the E p L they're all
domestic leagues. And now the IPL is in that, you know,
it's in the you know, you're speaking of the IPL
on the same breath as those those other sort of
(07:38):
mega league. So that's that's that's where I see cricket heading.
Not not for a while, but but yeah, I do,
I do see hitting that direction.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, and look, just hearing you talk about that, it
makes me think about our domestic cricket competition, the New
Zealand domestic cricket competition. If the best players are all
off playing in India and other places, what might our
domestic competition look like in the future. You know, you're
the districts, districts these teams.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, I think I think there's still be windows and
chances for people to play. But you know, ultimately it's
going to be a nursery to sort of bring young
talent through to then sort of get onto the international stage.
But the international state being big domestic leagues and so
you know, yeah, look, but as I say, it's a
(08:23):
while off yet, but you know, for me, it just
seems inevitable that that's going to occur. And that's why
I think it's really important that also from an Indian
perspective that you know, the riches that are sort of
gleaned from i PL sort of passed through and support
it in places like New Zealand where you know, whether
that be through academies, whether it's investment into the game
(08:45):
to bring the talent through because it's important that you know,
we have international talent or that they have international talent
to sort of boost their league and to have the
best players in the world playing in it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Is it also inevitable Chris, that more and more players
will opt out of New Zealand cricket contracts in order
to play franchise cricket and then I guess, you know,
make themselves available if and when required.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
And and you know, very much like a just on
a match free basis, so you know you'll have again
sort of like again like soccer, like football. You know,
the English players will play or are you paid for
by their by their league teams, but you know if
they play internationally as a match freek and so so yeah,
(09:32):
it just it just flips with regards to you know,
what the priority is and what what dominates and so
that would just be the case, you know for world
Cups or for any other matches, the players would simply
have a match a match.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Parents All of these T twenty franchise teams have have
a specialist coach. Do you have a view on on
splitting the coaching responsibility between international formats.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Yeah, again, that's I suppose it's excuse me, it's hard,
you know. You I think to have you know, somebody
giving that much time up and what they're doing, you know,
and then sort of cutting their salary in half effectively
to sort of switch that over. I don't really think
there's a need for that in New Zealand and internationally.
I think, you know, we produce some pretty all round
(10:19):
human beings and I and I think from what Gary said,
I mean he can cut across all formats, and I think,
you know, New Zealanders would be more than capable of
being involved in multi formats and sort of maybe having
a couple of different changes and support stuff. But I
would support having the head coach across all formats.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Do you think the future of Test cricket is still bright?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, in the short term. Yeah, in the short term,
but again, if somebody is earning significant amounts of money
contract wise in the IPL you know, why would they
jeopardize that that security, that future to sort of injure
themselves bowling thirty overs or forty overs in a Test match.
And you know, again, I just pose these points in
(11:02):
these questions because for me, it just it just seems
you know, a large revolution of where this thing goes,
and that you know, somebody's not going to to injure themselves,
you know, playing Test cricket when there's a significant contract
on offer, playing T twenty cricket. So so you know,
and you and you can't blame the players for that
at all.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I mean, they need to look after.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Themselves and their families and their security and so you know,
that's the demands of Test cricket are the ultimate in
our sport. But again the contracts and what's on offer
will dictate where where players go.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, so are we only really a generation Chris away
from from a bunch of cricketers who never played Test cricket,
never played red ball cricket, will never pick up a
red ball at all.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
That that is a scenario, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I mean, I'm a huge Test match cricket fan because
you know, again, like I said, it's the ultimate in
our sport. But it's you know, the sport comes down
to what the fans want and what the public want.
And you know, if that's T twenty cricket, well then
that's where the investment goes. And and again that's just
that's just the fact of life. And but you know,
I don't think we need to worry in the short term.
(12:12):
I still still think it there. But I think you're
right and in a generation, you know, we we could
well see the demise of it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So interesting, Well, I've got you to be remissing me
not to ask about your ongoing rehab. Saw some awesome
footage of your walking unaided in late April. How is
everything going.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah, it's good, thank you, It's Look, it's it's it's
a challenge every day, you know, and it's a new
journey that I'm on. And you know, this is this
is by far the biggest and toughest battle that I've
ever faced in my life. And and so you know,
you just have to yeah, you just just small games.
It really is just just a day by day thing.
And you know, will I walk again, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
But what I'm trying to do is give myself the
opportunity to be in a position to be able to
do that and and with the techno technological advances and
everything that sort of goes with it. And that's stubborn attitude.
Then you know who knows And look, that's and that's
you know, that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, you've got a lot of Kiwi's chearing you on, Chris,
I can of that. Look, I appreciate your time talking
cricket with us today, thanks indeed for.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Them awesome, Thank you very much, Thank.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You very much, Chris. Chris Ken's there. You've heard from Chris. Yeah,
a slightly different way than I thought it might actually.
You know, I wondered whether there might need be the
need for forensic examination of this T twenty campaign. But
clearly yeah, well, Chris in his words, it's an outlier.
Your chance to react though to what you heard. Anything
you want to pick up on, I'd love to chat
(13:33):
to you about it. I eight hundred and eighty ten
eight are going to open the lines now on this
in particular, I'd like to know what are the planks
for the way forward for our international men site for
the black Caps. Now, let's approach this as I said before,
in a solutions based fashion. I think we've gone past
the stage of bagging the players or bagging the coach.
(13:54):
Let's look ahead and in this ever changing cricketing landscape,
ask ourselves how we preserve our competitiveness at international level?
How do we do that? Hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our number. I wonder if it's time for genuine
change in the way we pick our international cricket teams.
(14:16):
And while there will always be players who can play
all three formats, the proliferation of T twenty franchise competitions
has created a legion of T twenty specialists. So rather
than fight against that, why don't we just embrace it.
Let's pick a T twenty team that is dedicated to
playing T twenty cricket for New Zealand and have others
(14:38):
who play almost exclusively red ball or fifty overstuff for us.
Make it a clear delineation, and that includes I reckon
a specialist T twenty coach, someone like Stephen Fleming who's
utterly immersed in the nuances of the T twenty game
through his time coaching Chennai, who can show innovation, flexibility,
the ability to adapt because that's what T twenty cricket requires.
(15:03):
Have our T twenty team set off to one side
and act as a connected but separate entity. Now, of
course I know this would cause a few issues when
it comes to New Zealand Crickets Central contracting. But maybe
that's where you say, Okay, our contracts are for Test
and one day international players, and those players may or
(15:26):
may not end up playing some T twenty as well.
But for our T twenty side, we are quite happy
to pick uncontracted players who are specialists in traveling the
world playing franchise T twenty cricket. They don't get New
Zealand contracts, but they can play for New Zealand. In fact,
we want them to play for New Zealand. So you'd
pick the likes of Trent Bolt.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I know he said that he won't play for New
Zealand probably again, and I get that, But someone like him,
someone like Jimmy Neisham, Colin Monroe, Martin Guppdel, Tim Seifert,
You pick them for T twenty and internationals, and then
you top the team up with players who you need
for the balance and probably ones who at least play
IPL and you would then have T twenty specialists playing
(16:09):
T twenty Creckitt in New Zealand, and I reckon that
would also improve the test in one day sites, give
them a bit of rest, because if you want to
play all three formats at the moment, you basically have
to play cricket twelve months of the year and that's
not good for balance or really for the development of
your red ball game. I honestly believe the days of
three format players are coming to an end, and rather
(16:31):
than fight against that, I reckon we just embrace it,
blaze our own trail, rather than following what is already
becoming a trend in other countries.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
So the T twenty Cricket World Cup will go into
its Super eight stages without New Zealand's involvement. Losses to
Afghanistan and the West Indies have put paid to the
black Caps chances. They accounted comfortably, of course, for Uganda
by nine wickets yesterday, and they'll complete their tournament against
Papua New Guinea in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
One of the great New Zealand all rounders is Chris Kens.
(00:44):
He played sixty two Test matches, two hundred and fifteen
One Day Internationals and two T twenty Internationals for the
black Caps in a career which spanned from nineteen eighty
nine to two thousand and six. Perhaps his finest moment
was in the final of the two thousand ICC Knockout
Trophy against India in Nairobi.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Flow up. All that's kansis hundred. What a fine any
that is punches the air in delight. That is a
marvelous effort from the man who wasn't even sure it's
going to play this morning. One hundred from one hundred
and ten balls. Remember, if the scores a level, we
have a bowl out. Ken's has to go over the top.
The fielders are crowning him full task, They've got it.
(01:24):
New Zealand to there worked away for the single that
gives New Zealand victory two sixty five for six. What
a stunning effort that is. New Zealand win this ICC
knock out trophy by four wickets. Chris Kens, who wasn't
even sure that he could play this morning because of
that injured knee, has got an unbeaten one hundred and
(01:48):
two and a steered New Zealand to a wonderful wink.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I had to believe. That's nearly quarter of a
century ago. Now, the year two thousand. Chris Keynes joins
us from where he lives now in Australia. Chris, thanks
for taking the time to chat here on news talks.
He'd be how deeply should we examine new Land's exit
in the group stages of this T twenty Cricket World Cup.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, look, it's a good question. I actually I knew
I was going to have a chat to you guys.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I sort of I thought about it last night and
I sort of tried to look at, you know, what
was going on. The negatives are positives and I then
sort of had a look at over the last ten years.
You know, this is an outlier, right, So, performance wise,
I think New Zealand at major tournaments over the last
several years have been tremendous.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
They have been excellent.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
So so given the preparation or lack of it, and
given what occurred how quickly it was, I don't think
you can dig too deep into this.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
A lot's being made of the lack of walm up
matches ahead of the tournament. How much difference might it
have made if that had a couple of pre tournament
had outs.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Oh, a huge, huge amount of difference because you had
guys as well who were at the IPL but not
really playing. I mean there was you know a few
guys who were there for quite some time, you know,
sitting on the sidelines.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And you can't beat match played. I mean you can.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You can net as much as you like, you can
practice as much as you like, but if you're if
you're not sort of match fit. Then you know, that's
a that makes a huge amount of difference. And then
also those rain outs at the beginning of the tournament,
so you know, again I come back, I don't given
the nature of how quick this thing turns around. Yeah,
I personally don't think you can look too much into this.
(03:31):
I mean, I just think it was a performance that
doesn't be lie sort of where New Zealand's been out
over the last several years.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So it's an outlie then for you, Chris, it's it's
it's nothing too much to worry about. So what should
we take any lessons from it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Though?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
How should we move forward here?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, I suppose you've got to prepare.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I mean the lessons really are just if you get
in that situation in a tournament in the you know,
in the future, you know, what do you do? But
but you know, given given the nature of you know,
the things that were out of their control like weather,
and that's a that's a huge thing. And then you know,
guys they just look rusty, you know, even with the
bat in the field, especially in that first match as well,
which again is an outlier for a New Zealand team.
(04:14):
So so you know, yeah, yeah, you can analyze these
things to the degree, but I just I just really
don't think it's worth it in this scenario. The big
thing now, though, is that you've got the likes of
Saudi and Bolt and Williamson some key players coming towards
the end of their careers. So you know, you're looking
at contingencies now and sort of moving forward. I think
(04:35):
the talent I D aspect and what the team's going
to look like, I think that's more prevalent to sort
of analyzing the performance of this work cup.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Have you got a gut feel on what that might
look like beyond some of the players that you talked about.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I think not really. I think that though.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Look, I mean, Bolton Saudia are still going tremendously well,
and you know, and again Williamson just keeps turning it out.
So whether they've got a couple of years still left
in them, you know, only they know. And so you know,
I think that, you know, I'm sure Gary Stead now
will starting to plan for the future. And we saw
I think during the home series last summer. You know,
(05:13):
there's there's young talent coming through in the bowling department.
You know, we need to identify and bring forward a
replacement for Williamson. I mean, you know that's going to
be extremely difficult. I mean, he's a once in a
generation player, so so people are going to have to
start stepping up. But I do think that there needs
to be some planning now sort of you know, going
forward for the future.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Might the days of the three format player be coming
to an end? Might we see more specialization?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Maybe, you know, possibly, I do think you know, in time,
you know, as the riches and the I p O
increase and players place a premium you know, on those
contracts just purely because the value of them, you know,
you're going to see.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That naturally appear. Anyway.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I think it's like it's, you know, as the IPL
season grows and sort of gets bigger and a team
or two gets added, you know, that to me appears
in there. So you're going to have players that perhaps
you know, are focused on that T twenty element just
purely from a financial point of view, because it's just
makes sense. And you know that's gonna that's going to
pose all sorts of problems from an international point of
(06:20):
view and how and how those sort of games and
those the season continues and what that sort of looks like.
So over the next five to ten years, Yeah, cricket,
cricket's going to transition, I think quite significantly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, what can you say, what what is your crystal
ball telling you?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I think cricket could end up like like soccer, like football,
and that you know, the season in India.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
As I say, we'll just get bigger because of.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The financial windfall and benefits that occur off the back
of that product, which is an amazing products.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
It's a great it's a great.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Brand, it's a great competition, and and I just think
that that will get bigger and stronger. And then if
you've got one or two more leagues around that, you know,
guys will be making significant income. So then I just
think that what will occur You'll have windows for World Cups,
windows for international matches, but but primarily cricket will become
(07:15):
sort of a domestic orientated or dominated game around the world,
much as much as like soccer soccer does. And if
you look at the biggest leagues in the world, they're
all domestic. You know, you look at the NBA, basketball, NFL,
Major League Baseball, and the E p L they're all
domestic leagues. And now the IPL is in that, you know,
it's in the you know, you're speaking of the IPL
on the same breath as those those other sort of
(07:38):
mega league. So that's that's that's where I see cricket heading.
Not not for a while, but but yeah, I do,
I do see hitting that direction.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, and look, just hearing you talk about that, it
makes me think about our domestic cricket competition, the New
Zealand domestic cricket competition. If the best players are all
off playing in India and other places, what might our
domestic competition look like in the future. You know, you're
the districts, districts these teams.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, I think I think there's still be windows and
chances for people to play. But you know, ultimately it's
going to be a nursery to sort of bring young
talent through to then sort of get onto the international stage.
But the international state being big domestic leagues and so
you know, yeah, look, but as I say, it's a
(08:23):
while off yet, but you know, for me, it just
seems inevitable that that's going to occur. And that's why
I think it's really important that also from an Indian
perspective that you know, the riches that are sort of
gleaned from i PL sort of passed through and support
it in places like New Zealand where you know, whether
that be through academies, whether it's investment into the game
(08:45):
to bring the talent through because it's important that you know,
we have international talent or that they have international talent
to sort of boost their league and to have the
best players in the world playing in it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Is it also inevitable Chris, that more and more players
will opt out of New Zealand cricket contracts in order
to play franchise cricket and then I guess, you know,
make themselves available if and when required.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
And and you know, very much like a just on
a match free basis, so you know you'll have again
sort of like again like soccer, like football. You know,
the English players will play or are you paid for
by their by their league teams, but you know if
they play internationally as a match freek and so so yeah,
(09:32):
it just it just flips with regards to you know,
what the priority is and what what dominates and so
that would just be the case, you know for world
Cups or for any other matches, the players would simply
have a match a match.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Parents All of these T twenty franchise teams have have
a specialist coach. Do you have a view on on
splitting the coaching responsibility between international formats.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Yeah, again, that's I suppose it's excuse me, it's hard,
you know. You I think to have you know, somebody
giving that much time up and what they're doing, you know,
and then sort of cutting their salary in half effectively
to sort of switch that over. I don't really think
there's a need for that in New Zealand and internationally.
I think, you know, we produce some pretty all round
(10:19):
human beings and I and I think from what Gary said,
I mean he can cut across all formats, and I think,
you know, New Zealanders would be more than capable of
being involved in multi formats and sort of maybe having
a couple of different changes and support stuff. But I
would support having the head coach across all formats.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Do you think the future of Test cricket is still bright?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, in the short term. Yeah, in the short term,
but again, if somebody is earning significant amounts of money
contract wise in the IPL you know, why would they
jeopardize that that security, that future to sort of injure
themselves bowling thirty overs or forty overs in a Test match.
And you know, again, I just pose these points in
(11:02):
these questions because for me, it just it just seems
you know, a large revolution of where this thing goes,
and that you know, somebody's not going to to injure themselves,
you know, playing Test cricket when there's a significant contract
on offer, playing T twenty cricket. So so you know,
and you and you can't blame the players for that
at all.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I mean, they need to look after.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Themselves and their families and their security and so you know,
that's the demands of Test cricket are the ultimate in
our sport. But again the contracts and what's on offer
will dictate where where players go.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, so are we only really a generation Chris away
from from a bunch of cricketers who never played Test cricket,
never played red ball cricket, will never pick up a
red ball at all.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
That that is a scenario, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I mean, I'm a huge Test match cricket fan because
you know, again, like I said, it's the ultimate in
our sport. But it's you know, the sport comes down
to what the fans want and what the public want.
And you know, if that's T twenty cricket, well then
that's where the investment goes. And and again that's just
that's just the fact of life. And but you know,
I don't think we need to worry in the short term.
(12:12):
I still still think it there. But I think you're
right and in a generation, you know, we we could
well see the demise of it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So interesting, Well, I've got you to be remissing me
not to ask about your ongoing rehab. Saw some awesome
footage of your walking unaided in late April. How is
everything going.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah, it's good, thank you, It's Look, it's it's it's
a challenge every day, you know, and it's a new
journey that I'm on. And you know, this is this
is by far the biggest and toughest battle that I've
ever faced in my life. And and so you know,
you just have to yeah, you just just small games.
It really is just just a day by day thing.
And you know, will I walk again, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
But what I'm trying to do is give myself the
opportunity to be in a position to be able to
do that and and with the techno technological advances and
everything that sort of goes with it. And that's stubborn attitude.
Then you know who knows And look, that's and that's
you know, that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, you've got a lot of Kiwi's chearing you on, Chris,
I can of that. Look, I appreciate your time talking
cricket with us today, thanks indeed for.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Them awesome, Thank you very much, Thank.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You very much, Chris. Chris Ken's there. You've heard from Chris. Yeah,
a slightly different way than I thought it might actually.
You know, I wondered whether there might need be the
need for forensic examination of this T twenty campaign. But
clearly yeah, well, Chris in his words, it's an outlier.
Your chance to react though to what you heard. Anything
you want to pick up on, I'd love to chat
(13:33):
to you about it. I eight hundred and eighty ten
eight are going to open the lines now on this
in particular, I'd like to know what are the planks
for the way forward for our international men site for
the black Caps. Now, let's approach this as I said before,
in a solutions based fashion. I think we've gone past
the stage of bagging the players or bagging the coach.
(13:54):
Let's look ahead and in this ever changing cricketing landscape,
ask ourselves how we preserve our competitiveness at international level?
How do we do that? Hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our number. I wonder if it's time for genuine
change in the way we pick our international cricket teams.
(14:16):
And while there will always be players who can play
all three formats, the proliferation of T twenty franchise competitions
has created a legion of T twenty specialists. So rather
than fight against that, why don't we just embrace it.
Let's pick a T twenty team that is dedicated to
playing T twenty cricket for New Zealand and have others
(14:38):
who play almost exclusively red ball or fifty overstuff for us.
Make it a clear delineation, and that includes I reckon
a specialist T twenty coach, someone like Stephen Fleming who's
utterly immersed in the nuances of the T twenty game
through his time coaching Chennai, who can show innovation, flexibility,
the ability to adapt because that's what T twenty cricket requires.
(15:03):
Have our T twenty team set off to one side
and act as a connected but separate entity. Now, of
course I know this would cause a few issues when
it comes to New Zealand Crickets Central contracting. But maybe
that's where you say, Okay, our contracts are for Test
and one day international players, and those players may or
(15:26):
may not end up playing some T twenty as well.
But for our T twenty side, we are quite happy
to pick uncontracted players who are specialists in traveling the
world playing franchise T twenty cricket. They don't get New
Zealand contracts, but they can play for New Zealand. In fact,
we want them to play for New Zealand. So you'd
pick the likes of Trent Bolt.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I know he said that he won't play for New
Zealand probably again, and I get that, But someone like him,
someone like Jimmy Neisham, Colin Monroe, Martin Guppdel, Tim Seifert,
You pick them for T twenty and internationals, and then
you top the team up with players who you need
for the balance and probably ones who at least play
IPL and you would then have T twenty specialists playing
(16:09):
T twenty Creckitt in New Zealand, and I reckon that
would also improve the test in one day sites, give
them a bit of rest, because if you want to
play all three formats at the moment, you basically have
to play cricket twelve months of the year and that's
not good for balance or really for the development of
your red ball game. I honestly believe the days of
three format players are coming to an end, and rather
(16:31):
than fight against that, I reckon we just embrace it,
blaze our own trail, rather than following what is already
becoming a trend in other countries.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
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