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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalk z EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The Chiefs have booked their spot in the twenty twenty
four Super Rugby Pacific Final against the Blues, beating the
Hurricanes thirty points to nineteen in yesterday's second semi and Wellington.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And decepted by Sir Tit.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
He's over halfway, he's over the ten. He's over the
twenty two beat, chased hard at a great tackle by
Devin Flanders. It's still there for the Chiefs. Go out
towards the left and they will score in the corner
through Daniel Roona Wallace. A tt has been massive tonight.
He sprinted fifteen meters, tackled by Flanders, but they recycled
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quickly Daniel Rona and in the corner. There was a
terrific performance from the Chiefs and Wallace of Tit my days.
What a player. He reminds me of SIONI Lwaukee the
way he plays the game. And he just seems to
have a tremendous future, doesn't he Already? I see there
are calls for him to be fast tracked into the
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All Blacks. I guess we and see there's some pretty
handy loose forwards going around and Brady and Jose's had
a good season two But Wallace Setiti last night Criikee
the Chiefs out to a fourteen nil lead after just
seven minutes. They led seventeen to seven at halftime. Both
score both sides rather scored three tries in the game.
The difference a perfect goal kicking performance from Chiefs playmaker
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Damien McKenzie three penalties as well as three conversions. The
Chiefs also played twenty minutes of the game with just
fourteen men. Yellow cards to Summer Penny Fenale for head
to head contact against TJ Petinada and Luke Jacobson for
a late tackle on Jordy Barrett. So the Blues will
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host the Chiefs in next Saturday's final at Eden Park.
Very surely going to chat to Chiefs head coach Clayton
McMillan just quickly though. Damien McKenzie a standout last night.
He spoke briefly with our sideline I Matt Buck after
the final whistle to give his assessment.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, it was tough, probably commend our forwards, you know,
last couple of games we've played them, We've we've probably
been beating up front, and she's the boys come out
and fired right from the star. We had a great
start and then so absorbed the pressure under fourteen men
for a couple of times was outstanding.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
So our forwards were awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I thought we kicked well, put pressure on through a
kicking game, and then come with us some good points
and just proud of the aphans of defense, this championship
defense and hope were going to take this next week.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Damien. The kicking game, you talked about a lot of
aerial ping pong? Did that play into your hands? Do
you enjoy that you were kicking the ball well? But
were you surprised how much ball the Hurricanes kicked back
to you although obviously a lot of threats.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Back there in their back three. And oh, you know
when you come down the caketon, the ones around you
just don't know what the ones really doing. So I
guess it's about putting us in the right ears of
the field. You know, our fords had done a lot
of work, so we want to keep the ball in
front of them, and I thought we did a really
good job with that tonight, and our kickchase is excellence.
Put them under pressure with their back three are very dangerous,
so very heavy.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You look very heavy as well. There's a couple of
quick ones before I let you go and join your teammates.
You've got a pretty hot number of eight unning around
at the moment, haven't you made?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
He's outstandings. He's a young kid, he's he's still learning them,
but he's sat right right into his role this year
and every week he keeps standing up and he's got
bright fute ahead of him and he's a big part
of our team. We're going to need him next week.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That is Damien mckinns, who will leave it there with
Matt buck sideline because Clayton McMillan joins us on weekend Sport.
Thanks for taking the time, Clayton after the overnight test.
How pleased are you with last last night's performance?
Speaker 5 (03:35):
You're got fining pretty pretty good mate. It's always going
to be a really tough ass to go down and
it'll be a quality Hurricanes team at and Wellington. A
lot of teams have gone down there in the past
and failed and was really satisfying to get the result
and how we look forward to another week.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
How crucial was your fast start to build a bit
of scoreboard pressure on them.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, we talked about as part of our build up
around trying to generate some early momentum. We kind of
felt that, you know, watching the Hurricanes a week before
against the Rebels, it looked a little bit tighter than
they had been throughout the throughout Paul play, and that
comes from being the team that everyone's chasing, and then
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that expectation that at home to keep winning. So it
was important for us to start well and we run
a few opportunities which we we we nailed, and you know,
we really didn't really reliquish the lead from that point on.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Can you just expand on that a bit. You said
it in the post match as well, that you sensed
some anxiety and the Hurricanes went over the Rebels in
their quarter final last weekend. How did you factor that
into your game preparation for us today.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
We're just we just understand from having been in a
similar situation fairly recently around how that expectation can you know,
way heavy on your mind at times, and we just
saw little things in their game that weren't really consistent
with what we saw through pool play. So and it's
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just that's natural that just that just happens to teams.
We felt it, and it's that's why. Yes, as I
said last night, you take your head off to a
team like the Crusaders, who everybody's been chasing over the
last seven or eight years, and they managed to keep
keep winding away. Look, we're just we had to create
some pressure really for them to feel uncomfortable and to
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potentially be chasing the game. And that's what I'm folded.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Do you see anything similar in the Blues.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Now? The Blues are probably at the other end of
the spectrum. I think they're pretty confident with the way
they've been going and they were they were pretty impressive
for around how they went about their business against the Brumbies,
another extremely tough place to go and win. Eden Park.
Blues playing a very direct, competive game and even though
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they've had their fair share of injuries that really care
on how they want to play an every player that
steps up as has been delivering for them. So it's
but we won't have to do too much work to understand,
you know, how they're going to play the game, what
they're going to throw at us on the weekend. But
it's a it's a challenge that we're relishing.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You lost both of your hookers last night, Summersauny Tokyo
who limped off on the first half, Bradley Slater in
the SEC and any update you can give us on
those two.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
It's not looking great for Simmasony. He's sort of an
art killer's injury that looks looks like it's going to
be pretty serious, which is unfortunate not just for us
but for him and and probably it's all but prospects
at less than the immediate future. And Brenley Slater are
still a little bit of an unknown where we're hopeful
that he will know just a minor m c L
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that will sort of loosen up and with a couple
of roles of strapped he might be able to get
back out the next week. But we've got young Tyrone
Thompson who has been been a great performer for us
over the last two or three years. He's been sitting
in the wings waiting for his opportunity and here will
get it on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Sean Stevenson a late withdrawal from yesterday's game. Will he
be okay for the final? Do you think?
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yeah? Well, he's a much stronger chance. So they trained
all week with us, but it just wasn't quite at
one hundred percent. Didn't want to compromise the team, and
you know, we made a tough decision to leave him out.
But the silver lining is that he is potentially going
to be in a better space this week, and you
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know there's another experienced body that would love to have
running out with us on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Wallace sa Titi turned a lot of heads last night.
In fact, not just last night, He's been doing that
right across the season. What have you made of his
progress as a Super Rugby player this season?
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Are pretty rapid, But we always were confident that he
had a lot of potential, a very high ceiling. Mean
to be fair, probably never really expected him to deliver
the sort of performances that he's been able to deliver
for us on a consistent basis since he has given
us first opportunity in about round five of Super ag
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this year. But look, he's a smart young man, real
mature here on his shoulders, massive appetite for learning, and
just a genuinely good human. So he's got all the
physical attributes, he's got the mental attitude to go a
long way in the game. He's still young men with
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things to learn, but he's certainly certainly putting himself in
the shop.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Window, that's for sure. That's for sure. He had a
couple of guys go to the bin last night, Clayton,
there was also an incident that appeared to annoy you,
actually involving Teacher and Wallace to Titi, is it the
inconsistency that is most frustrating for you in these things?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
It is to be fair, and I wouldn't be the
only coach that probably gets a bit frustrated that, I
guess the inconsistency of how some of these tackles have
been officiated. And was that pains to point out last
night that nothing against you know, the referees and the
TMO that made decisions last night, Like we all will
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live and die by the sword of decisions that they
have made on the night. You just live with them
and move forward. But it's just so hard, made it
so I reckon, we you know, we've we've we've put
ourselves in a position where we just don't know what
a penalty is, what a yellow card is, what a
red card is, what mitigation looks like, from one instance
to the next, and and no one wants to get
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those decisions wrong. But the fact that we can't have
a number of people sitting the room and collectively come
out with some agreement around what, you know, what each
scenario looks like, is probably just something that needs to
be talked through by people that get paid a lot
more money than me at some stage, because you can,
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as we can, have a big impact on the outcome
of games.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think a lot of our listeners are nodding their
heads as we as we speak after Friday nights. When
Blues coach for and Cotta, who I know you know well,
was asked if he'd rather play the Chiefs or the
Hurricanes in the final, he said, that's like choosing between
cholera and the plague. So which one do you reckon?
You guys are.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
He's he's a.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Good man view and he's you know, he's an experience
an experienced coach that has got a good way with words.
I don't care which one we are or we'll just
bring the best version of ourselves and we'll hope that
that will cause them a few problems and and then
we get our fist year of excess into the game
and give them something to think about. So big week
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for both teams. I've had the advantage, I guess, of
having an extra day's recovery and after we're we're pretty
banged up at the moment to be to be really transparent,
a lot of claire or damage after the last night.
So imagine our week. We'll look a little bit different.
That will largely be about just getting the bodies right
and the minds right. And you know that won't necessarily
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look like us been out on the rugby field for
long periods of time trying to put a plan together
to take on the Blues.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So apart from Summersauny, is there anybody who's definitely out
next week?
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I'll make this Yeah. I don't want to speculate too
much at this stage, but I'd say that there's probably
about five guys out of the last night they've played
in last night's game, they've got a definite question mark
around their availability to play this week.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Japers, All right, Well, I'll let you get into the
recovery room with them and start doing what you need
to do. Just before you go, I do want to
thank you for your access. You gave us both here
today but also on here last night. It's not every
head coach you'll join a radio broadcast before a game
and also at halftime. Clayton, we greatly appreciate that. All
the best for the week ahead and for the Grand
Final as.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Well, mate, Yeah, no worries, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
All the best, Clayton McMullan, head coach of the Chiefs,
with a big week ahead of him, a second success
of Grand Final for the Chiefs up against the Blues.
That is interesting what he said at the end there,
So definitely no summer sauny talkie are that's a given
Killy's problem. He's out and may well be out of
the initial Test matches for the All Blacks as well
against England and then FIGI. So that's another little head
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scratcher for Scott Robertson as he plans for his first
Tests as All Blacks head coach. He names that side.
Incidentally a week tomorrow a thirty two man squad will
be named a week tomorrow Monday the twenty what will
that be, the twenty fourth of June five point thirty
in the afternoon, and he's going to do it in
christ Church, which is probably fair enough, seeing that's where
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he's from. But yeah, he won't be able to pick
Somemer Sauny trkiyahle Cody Taylor you have to think is
a dead shot for one of the hooker's spots. But
without Tokiya hole there and the Safaoe Moore has to
be moving firmly into that frame if he wasn't there already.
And then you start thinking to yourself, who is the
third hooker in a thirty two man squad if Takiyaho's
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not there, who's your third hooker? If a Sapfaoar Moore
is indeed the second, which I think he probably is,
oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty anything that
you heard from Clayton McMillan, Now, I really really like
Clayton McMillan. I must say. I really like the way
that he goes about things, just very considered but makes
good logical points, coaches that team terrifically well, obviously has
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the respect of his fellow coaches and all of those
players too. And yeah, just just listening to him there
and also having the chance to listen to him in
the postmatch media conference in Wellington yesterday, it's obvious just
what a quality coach and a quality human being he is.
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