Full Show Podcast: 6 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
A good afternoon and welcome into Weekend Sport on News
Talks EDB. For the first time in twenty twenty four.
It is Test Match Saturday and as such the show
coming to you today from high in the stands at
forsythe Bar Stadium in Dunedin, where in around seven hours
the All Blacks in England will be underway in the
first All Blacks Test of the year and the first

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ever under the stewardship of their new head coach Scott Robertson.
It is July sixth. Legendary New Zealand running coach Arthur
Lydia had born on this day in nineteen seventeen, and
it's also twenty eight years to the day July six,
nineteen ninety six since the famous Bledisloe Cup Test and
the mud, the wind and the rain at Athletic Park

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in Wellington. The All Blacks, producing one of the all
time great wet weather performances that day to beat Australia
forty three points to six. Now Athletic Park as we
know doesn't even exist anymore, and neither as a rugby
venue anyway, does Carrisbrook and Dunedin, where the All Blacks
played Scotland earlier that year nineteen ninety six. Carrisbrook hosted

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its last Test match in twenty eleven. Since twenty twelve,
Test rugby in Dunedin has been played under the roof
here at Forsyth Bar Stadium, and tonight for the tenth time,
the All Blacks will run out here and they'll meet
on England's side, who have won just twice in their
history on New Zealand soil, never here in Dunedin and

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not anywhere across our country since two thousand and three.
I'm Jason Pine, producer Anny McDonald. We're head till three
and then we'll take a wee break. Later tonight we'll
be back with our Test build up from six. Full
live commentary of the Test match here on Newstalks head
beat led by Elliott Smith from just after seven o'clock.

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Let me paint the picture for you here at Forsyth
Bar Stadium. If you have not visited this venue for
a rugby test, I recommend that you put it onto
your to do list. Looking out here at the moment,
it's been a cracking couple of days in Duned and
I landed here yesterday and again this morning, clear skies, sunshine,
just one of those chilly d need in mornings that

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I think the city is pretty famous for. Looking out
here on the grass, the ground staff are out there
just putting the final few finishing touches, the last manicure
of the grass here, and of course looking up at
the roof, which is a clear roof as you probably know,
the sun streaming in and throwing shadows onto the turf here,
it just looks an absolute picture. What a place to

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start Scott Robertson's tenure as All Black's headcatach and for
the All Blacks to start in twenty twenty four. One
of Dunedin's favorite sons, legendary All Black Ben Smith, standing
by the chat with us. We'll also get you inside
the All Blacks camp this hour, and we've got an
English viewpoint for you after one o'clock. But it is
you who I really want to chat with and hear from.

(03:24):
How are you feeling All Blacks fans? What does a
successful outing tonight look like? Apart from what the scoreboard
says at around nine o'clock tonight? What does success look like?
And do you have any sense of trepidation or nervousness
or is it just high excitement and optimism about what
the All Blacks of twenty twenty four will come up with.

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Can open the lines and read the pulse of the
rugby public right across the afternoon. You can call any
time on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or text
your thoughts through to nine two nine two. Other matters
around today. The New Zella men's under seventeen basketball team
through to the semi finals of their World Cup. They've
beaten lit the way seventy three sixty five in the quarterfinals,

(04:09):
booking a semi final with the United States. This is massive.
Do not underestimate how big this is. No New Zealand
age group basketball team has ever made it this far
at a World Cup, and it is the furthest any
New Zealand basketball team has gone since the Tall Blacks
dream run at the two thousand and two World champs.
Going to cover that ill for you after one o'clock

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with a member of the two side whose son is
part of this team, Phil Jones. His son Hayden is
a big part of this team. Phil's going to join
us after one o'clock for a chat. The Warriors are
in Sydney to face the Bulldogs in the NRL five
o'clock this afternoon. Chanelle Harris Tavita on the show after two.
Can we sprinter Danielle Hison ahead of her upcoming Paralympic

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Games in Paris. She was confirmed in the team yesterday.
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Speaker 2 (05:48):
All Blacks England Tonight's seven oh five live here on
news Talks EDB. The most recent test between these two
was in November of twenty twenty two at Twiggenham.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
And that is full time for your Blacks from twenty
five six up collapse, that's the only word for it,
and draw twenty five all at Twickenham, England barely fired
a shot in the first seventeen minutes and then three
tries in the last ten earn them a drawer at

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Twickenham are scarcely believable. Last ten minutes sees the All
Blacks go from big winnards to finishing level. And maybe
that test best sums up this all Black side.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Some great moments, some dismal moments, and they have a
drawer to finish campaign twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
See that seems so long ago, doesn't it. November twenty
twenty two at Twickenhamber twenty five all draw. Look at
the all Black side that day and those who will
run out tonight from the starting fifteen Nathan de Grootz,
Cody Taylor, Tyrell Lomax. Same front row are Scott Barrett,
although he was blindsided that night. Dotton, Papaleiardi Savia, Jordi Barrett, Reccoe,
Jowani and Mark Talia Boden Barrett started that test. He's

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on the bench tonight. Of those who were on the
bench in twenty twenty two, t J. Petanata will start
tonight and Anton Lenott Brown is again among the reserves
for England. Maro Atoji and Marcus Smith started that game.
They'll start again tonight. Tom Curry started in twenty twenty two.
He's on the bench tonight. Jamie George on the bench
in twenty twenty two. He starts tonight as captain. Will

(07:36):
Stuart and Henry Slade also starting tonight. One of the
great all Blacks from these parts is Ben Smith, World
Cup winner in twenty fifteen eighty four test matches, seven
of those against England for six wins. He was in
the team and scored a try the last time England
played the All Blacks in a test here at Forsyth
Bar Stadium, a twenty eight twenty seven win for the

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All Blacks in twenty fourteen. He is Rugby Royalty here
in Duneda and a proud ext All Black. He joins
us now, Ben Smith, thanks for taking the time. First
of all, how were the All Blacks? Do you think
be feeling? It's match day, aad of their first test
with a new coaching group at the Helm.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
I'd say that, yeah, obviously, first off, I'm excited, like
tests are rolling around, I would have for this game,
so as far as a coaching group, not not much
as far as a playing group. But yeah, it's cool.
There's a lot of hype around being the first test
match a new sort of era. And then I suppose

(08:36):
with it, like everyone's wondering, I suppose the style of
play and what's going to set this All Black team
apart from others. Yeah, so it is exciting.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well let's pick up on that. What style of play
do you expect from Razors or Blacks?

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Well, the squad I've picked obviously, with Damien at ten,
he he sort of only knows one way and that's around.
Don't get me wrong, He's got a great kicking game,
but he's also electric with the way he can light
up a match. So I'm looking forward to watching him
tomorrow night. And yeah, I suppose like any other game

(09:17):
of rugby, physicality will be a big one and the
selections with especially the trio loose Ford trio will be
interesting around. Yeah, the physicality that they bring with it.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
How much do you think can be picked up from
a successful Crusader's side and then drop down across an
all Blacks framework? Do you think? In other words, Razor
will do a lot of what worked for him, But
the Crusaders, even off the field, Ben Well.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
I think they know. Yeah. Well, obviously this is me
looking from the outside just like you are, but I
take out that they know what works with them. So
obviously there's a lot of people involved with that set
up that will will keep a core of the values
of how they enjoy their environment and how that sort

(10:05):
of spill onto the rugby field. I'm sure a lot
of that will stay the same around how they got
about it, with obviously a different flavor being the All
Blacks and how you bring in legacy pieces around whether
all Blacks have gone or where they've been and where
they intend to go. So I'm pretty excited, just like

(10:26):
yourself to see how this first test match plays out,
the style of play that they're going to adopt, And yeah,
I think everyone's sort of pretty excited to see them go.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
For some of these plays. The more experienced ones they've
they've been under a coaching regime which has had a
real degree of consistency over the last decade or so,
you know, apart from Jason Ryan, this is an almost
entirely new coaching group. How would an experienced all black
handle that.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
I think from what I'm hearing, the sound whites out
of the camp that they're giving leaning on people like
Body Barrett and the likes to actually guide them a
little bit around that environment that they'll work alongside them
to set up. So that's sort of what I'm hearing that.
You know, when you hear the media and different people

(11:23):
asking them questions, I think they're really intent on showing that.
I hear care a lot around what they're saying, and
obviously part of that care is is the relationship with
the players and the established all blacks that have been
there for a while. Sounds like that's a big part
of it.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
What did you make of the selection of Steven Petifeta
at fullback. I think a lot of people thought Body
might get that jersey first up.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, Like he played really well and super rugby, so
I'm not surprised to see him get a start. He
hasn't probably had as many opportunities the last year or two,
so I would say, look into the future, he would
be someone that they'd want to get playing really good
test matches so that they can be Yeah, I suppose

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the depth within the squad will be massive, so they'll
get him going and obviously Body's body, he'll slop back
in at some stage or off the bench in the weekend.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, England, how did you find I mean not that
there were that many, but how did you find test
matches against England as an all black.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Physical?

Speaker 5 (12:26):
They're always physical. I suppose the aerial part of the
game is something massive around how they pressure you and
how that part of the game. Yeah, they can just
squeeze you if you don't get it right. So there'll
be a big part of tomorrow night's game around how
they take care and diffuse a feel of their Yeah,

(12:47):
high kicking game contestables, So yeah, I think that's where
they'll go to.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Do you think England will in any way feel like
the all Blacks are a bit vulnerable?

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Sorry that the England will think that all Blacks are vulnerable?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, just a new coaching team, a lot of expectation,
a bit of preci Do you think England might sense
an opportunity here?

Speaker 5 (13:11):
I look, they played really well against Japan, what was
it two weeks ago, so I think they'll take a
lot of confidence out of that. There was a game
only last year, was it where they sort of tipped
us up?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Or it might have been a draw?

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Was that too many head knocks?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Twenty five draw? A couple of years ago? Yeah, a
couple of years ago. Yeah, right there.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
And they I think they'll obviously backed themselves to come
here and win, and yeah, I yeah, I think that's everyone.
Everyone's away but paused to see how this test match
plays out when there's not Yeah, a whole lot of
previous experiences with how they're all blacks. You know, I've

(13:55):
played so as far as this new coaching group, So yeah,
I'm excited to see them go.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
And just to finish it, How do you I mean
you were in all black for so long you've been
been well, yeah, in all back since what twenty nineteen?
On a test match? Now, what do you just go
along and watch you like a normal punter? How does
your how does your night play out?

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yeah no, no, I'll just go along and watch it
like a normal punter. So yeah, now we've got colin
them a slade actually staying so head along with them
and Nan we'll go out for dinner before him, which
is which is nice, and then just hope for a
really good game of foody really yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Indeed, and enjoying your role with the Highlanders that you're
getting the chance to you're getting the chance to take
part in.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, no, it's been good. Yeah, there's Yeah, obviously it's
different to playing. The coaching is but a few more hours,
but often enjoyed being involved in no difference to being
a player, and the fact that you get it if
you get a one on the weekend, it's it's a
pretty rewarding being part of that process.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Sounds like your guests are ready for your next to
your next assignment today, Ben, thanks for taking Thanks for
taking the time for a chet mate. Let's if it's
an exciting game at full sythe but really appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Good too, Jason, thanks mate, No, thank you, Ben.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Ben Smith. The good to have Colin Slade in town
as well for this one, another former All Black. You've
heard from Ben Smith. You've been thinking about this Test
match if anything like me all week? Your chance to
react now eight hundred eighty ten eighty is our number.
If I was to describe my mood, I'd say pretty bullish,
pretty confident. I think the All Blacks will win. But

(15:22):
to be fair, I always think that I think the
All Blacks will win any Test they play. From observing
the All Blacks this week, though, I just kind of
sense a real energy about them, and that's not going
to come as a surprise to you. First test of
the year, new coaching team. Of course, there's going to
be energy, but they've used that word a lot, the
players and the coaches who have been up in front

(15:43):
of the media this week, they've used that word a lot. Energy.
So let me show. Let me know if you share
my optimism or if there's a little more caution. And
the other thing I want to ask you today is
a question I asked a few of the assembled rugby
journos here yesterday for which all Blacks player or players

(16:03):
is Tonight's the biggest? In other words, who has the
most approved tonight? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you would prefer to correspond by text, no problem
with that, to send it off to nine two, nine
to two. Let's get straight to the line. Hello Julian again,
very good.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Thanks.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
Yeah, I'm very much like you. I don't think I
have been this excited about it, all that going for years.
And the reason for that is, I don't know if
you saw the interview on TV one in the in
the I think what it might have been Wednesday or
Thursday night with Razor. He looked so relaxed. He was happy,
he was smiling, he was cracking a joke. He was

(16:45):
talking back to the reporters, calling them by name.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:51):
Look, there must be so much pressure on it, but
he certainly isn't showing it.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
He sorry, mate, Yeah, I can say that. When we
had him on the show a week ago, that's exactly
the impression I got from him as well. He turned
up in shorts and a T shirt. He looked every
inch a man who was very much at peace with himself.
I wonder whether there's a little bit of nervousness as
we've reached match day, but you certainly wouldn't know it.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Yeah, there's bad to be Look, I actually turned down
a seat in a box to watch the game today.
What well, look you get you go to the boxes
and they're great, but people want to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Are you still coming to the game in a normal
seat though.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
Julian, No, No, I'm going to watch it on on
the sky and yeah, you know, people want to talk
to you, and they want to talk about I don't
know what they did last week, what they had for
a meal. I want to go there and watch the rugby.
So I said, no, thanks very much. You give it
to somebody that wants to have a few free drinks

(17:52):
and I'll just I'll just stay at home and watch
it on the on the box.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Julian, I love that, editor, because you know, I loved
your line. I'd have to talk to people. I love that.
It's a philosophy I think I share in many ways.
Funny funny given the fact that I do the job
that I do but enjoy the game from your catch tonight, Gillian.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
So yeah, go the all Lex go the All Lecks good.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
The chat to your mate, Mark, are you feeling nervous?
Are you feeling optimistic? How are you feeling? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (18:21):
Not bad, buddy, How are you?

Speaker 10 (18:22):
I'm good?

Speaker 11 (18:23):
I got two things.

Speaker 12 (18:25):
First of all, on.

Speaker 11 (18:26):
When you go back in a little bit of history,
the first Test match of a series. The All Blacks
have been a little bit rusty in the past, but
we will see how they go tonight. I think they'll
I think they'll get over the line. But my main
question is what do you think the boys are doing
right now? Both teams six and a half hours out
of a Test match.

Speaker 13 (18:47):
Are they sitting in their hotel room?

Speaker 10 (18:49):
Are they in the gym?

Speaker 11 (18:51):
Are some of them with family?

Speaker 13 (18:53):
Have they had a cafe?

Speaker 11 (18:55):
How? What are they doing right now at six and
a half hours of four kickoff?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I think I think they're all doing whatever it is
that they do, probably a mix of all the things
you've said, Mark. I think some of them probably are
catching up with friends and family, having a coffee, passing
the time. I think a lot of them actually enjoy
a nap on match days. That would never be for me.
I always whenever I have a nap during the day,
not that I'm an all black, of course, I always
wake up wondering what day it is, with a sense

(19:21):
of real disorientation. But I think they've all got their
own thing. They'll probably get to the ground I would
say about an hour and a half to two hours before,
so at around about four o'clock this afternoon, they'll start
to get ready, pack their bags, all that sort of thing,
hop on the bus. But you're right, it must be.
It must just be I think a very individual thing
as to how they pass the time between when they

(19:42):
wake up and when they get on the bus.

Speaker 9 (19:44):
Yeah, okay, that's all good, Buby, thank you.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
No, thank you. Mark, always good to get you. Simon,
how would you describe your levels of optimism?

Speaker 13 (19:54):
Yeah, good, good.

Speaker 12 (19:55):
There's an excitement about Rata and this is the first
day of the build up towards the next Rugby World Cup,
which is basically when he's got to die. So to
the great year and raiser. You got big shoes to
fill because let's all remember, our Fuzzy got the boys
to a World Cup final and within one point with

(20:18):
fourteen men of winning it. So I do want to
be that keiwi that just reminds everyone we've got good
coach after good coach, and we're so lucky to have them.
And this is going to be a ride for the
next four years with a Razor, So everyone be careful
not to throw the baby out with the bath water
if we lose a game or two.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I saw an interesting point you, Mike. How much do
you think twenty twenty seven is on the mind of
Scott Robertson today?

Speaker 12 (20:46):
That's on his big player. This guy, this guy's you know,
he's an organizer. You've got to remember, like the excitement
he brought to the Barbers when they who did they
beat England the day when Razor was coaching them and
a lot of these international players. I said, this guy
is a great coach gets he gets people excited. And yeah,

(21:08):
and it's a good build up. And I've got a
big day of rugby coming today. We're just heading off
to watch Auckland Grammat versus Saint Peter's. I'm watching it
with my mate to ex all proing Grammat boys and
I'll make Saint Peters so we'll be watching the All
Blacks afterwards tonight.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
All right, you behave yourself this afternoon.

Speaker 12 (21:26):
Sid I'm too old to miss behave the.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Love it mate, Thanks for calling in and I love
that you're doing a bit of the grassroots stuff today
as well, which I guess a lot of people will.
Mark asked, you know what the players do to pass
the time? I mean fans have to pass the time
as well, and I think a lot of them will
be doing club rugby or community rugby type activity this afternoon,
getting that all sorted, catching up with a few people afterwards,
and then for those outside of Dunedin obviously, you know,

(21:53):
getting home and settling in. We've got a full commentary
of course. Five past seven tonight here on news Talk,
said b let's get back to the lines, David, any
thoughts that stand out as you as you think of tonight.

Speaker 14 (22:08):
Who's the ref of tonight?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I won't try and pronounce his name, he's the he's Georgian.
He's a Georgian referee. Okay, that's all you needed to know.

Speaker 14 (22:22):
That's all I needed to know. But I think the.

Speaker 11 (22:27):
We're going for a tough ride tonight.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
You don't sound overwhelmed with enthusiasm, David, I must say,
maybe it's cautious pessimism from you, perhaps, Yeah, yeah, all
right mate, Well look get us. Hope the referee doesn't
have a big say tonight. I mean, if we get
to the end of the game and nobody's talking about
his performance, then job well done. Thanks for you call
David oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(22:51):
our number. Half past twelve. Anything you want to pick
up on. I've had a few texts through about players
for who tonight might be particularly important in terms of
the way they play. I think Damien mackenzie is obviously one.
You know, he's been given the opportunit need to wear
that ten jersey. He wore it a year ago here
at the same venue against Australia. You might remember this.

(23:12):
It was an afternoon Test match. He was handed the
reins and I think I said to Jack Tame about
an hour ago. I think Damien had what he would
probably describe as a mixed performance that day. But he
is now off the back of a really good season
with the Chiefs, been handed the keys to the car
if you want to call it that, and we'll run
the all blacks around tonight, and I hope he does

(23:34):
it brilliantly because d MAC at his best is a
site to behold. So I hope he has a terrific
night tonight, Half past twelve back with more of your
calls on the All Blacks after this Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty live.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
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Speaker 2 (23:58):
Twelve thirty three. Are the referee Nika A mush Kelly
or a mushu Kelly. The Georgian Nick Berry and and
Way are the assistants and let's hope we don't have
to hear from him. Eric Gowson's Frenchman is in the
TMO box. So a Georgian referee to Australian duchies and
a Frenchman in the TMO box. That is what we're

(24:19):
looking at tonight in terms of afficiating A Patahama, How
are you mate?

Speaker 10 (24:25):
Yeah, good Pine, it's been a few weeks. I'm finally
out of that Hurricane semi final except funk but but yes, match,
I'm really excited.

Speaker 15 (24:39):
Right.

Speaker 10 (24:40):
This is the first time and I don't know a
decade or more than we've got sort of a new regime.
And I was speaking of someone the other day is like,
you know, Rais has been an all black, Leon has
been all black. You know, we've got all blacks coaching
all blacks, and we haven't had that for a while.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, yeah, I guess see, because Fossy never was one,
was he? And neither was Steve Hanson, neither was Graham
Hen't I think Wayne Smith would have been the last one.
John Mitchell, Sorry, John, Sorry, John Mitchell, John Mitchell.

Speaker 10 (25:14):
Yeah. Yeah, And and you sort of stole my thunder
a bit with old d Mac. I'm probably I don't know,
I banged on a bit. He's unproven to me. You
know you mentioned that Bled he got his chance and
he got hooked after what fifty minutes or whatever, and
they brought me wrong on to close it out. He
and I know you caught it, Max. I was at

(25:36):
that harsh last year when he did that. I caught it.
One of the worst performances by an all black ten.
And so that's sort of you know, the old the
old rock under the towel summer type thing. That's sort
of the The uncertain thing for me is that can
he drive a Test match team around the same super
the same NPC. You are the game driver and there's

(26:00):
talk about what the all back's going to play like
and I don't know the expectation. I think that's raz
of dazzle because he's our game driver. But you know
when you got Ben Earl and Sam Underhill and some
of those boys up in your face and knocking you
about as the Blues did, right, themat was not much
of a factor in that Super Rugby final. And this

(26:21):
is Test match footy. I'm super I love the guy
as a player, but is he Test number ten? That's
what I'm super keen to find out. And hey, this
is this.

Speaker 16 (26:32):
Is going to be.

Speaker 10 (26:34):
A good test match against a good side. So I
don't know. Let's see if you can put that Ozzie
led test behind him and drive us to a good winternight, Piney,
That's what I'm looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Good on your Padohama. Always love chatting to you, mate,
Glad that you're over the Hurricanes. Funk as am I
at least chat again soon, mate, I think yeah, I
think I think you alluded to it there. Damien McKenzie
would have had a rock under the beach towel if
we want to use that analogy after the Australian Test
here in Dunedin. He did play another five Test matches
for New Zealand last year, but you know he never

(27:08):
started again in the ten jersey. This will be his
first start in the ten jersey for the All Blacks
since that game against Australia hearing Tooneden back in the
start of August of last year. So I'm sure he,
of them all, will have a real drive and determination
to put that performance behind him, because yeah, mixed is
perhaps bigger bit kind. You know, the All Black standards

(27:30):
are high, and he didn't have a happy afternoon. Hello Neil, get.

Speaker 9 (27:35):
A mate, just actually follow on from a petahammer there.
The number ten can look good if he's got a
solid set of forwards in front of him. So what
I want when I'm looking for is the old added
you know, everything it starts up front. So I want
to see the All Blacks with a solid set piece
that line out scrum mare at ruck because you know

(27:58):
the Poms are going to bring it. They've got a
you know, their forward packs pretty muscular. They will look
like bodybuilders. So we need parity, at least up first.
That's where I want to see, you know that the
basics done right, and I'm sure they'll get it right
with Broser at the helm.

Speaker 12 (28:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
So the other intriguing thing, The one player that I'll
be watching is Stephen Pettofetter. Yea, maybe a few, yeah,
few eyebrows were raised. I think he's in there on
his super rugby foreman on the back of a Blues
team that you know, obviously went pretty well for the season.
You know, we all know Will Jordan once he comes right,
he should be the number one pick at turnback and

(28:34):
I'm pretty sure Raiser will play him in that position.
So yeah, for Pedo Fetter, I think it just I
hope he steps up tonight and plays solidly, doesn't need
to be spectacular, just does all the basics right, defends well,
times into the line when he needs to, punts when
he needs to. Yeah, he can cement his place if
he doesn't make any mistakes. You know, no, no, how

(28:55):
is that's what I want. Nothing that's going to get
him play himself out of the team.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Absolutely. And and Neil, I mean such a good point
you make about about Will Jordan coming back. I guess
the same can be said for the likes of t J.
Pennada from the Christy Cortez Latima when he gets the chance.
You know, they probably think I'm really just keeping the
jersey warm in Perlifeter's case for Will Jordan, in the
half backs case for cam roy Guard. But it's your
jersey tonight, so go out there and fill it. That's

(29:24):
that's kind of the attitude I'd be taking. Great dear
from a Neil thanks for calling it TEXI I think
the public forget how long it took Richie more on
that to get a test at number ten. Give dmak
the keys for the season and see him grow. I agree,
I hope and I'm sure they hope that that Damien
McKenzie will wear ten for you know, for the for

(29:48):
the entire year. It's your jersey until it's not your
jersey anymore. Piney Heering a lot from the New Zealand perspective,
says Phil Any Pommy perspective Insight today. Absolutely, Phil, after
one o'clock we've got one of the best rugby riders
going around. Dan Schofield is going to join us with
an English perspective after one o'clock, So don't you worry
about that my friend.

Speaker 17 (30:07):
Hello Berry, Hi, what's in my Yeah, just Damien McKenzie's
then playing a position. He's got ten on his back
and that's where he should be. He's seb best den
in his Zealand.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
So you said you said he's he's been played out
of position. You mean previously when he's been played at fullback.

Speaker 17 (30:30):
Well, they just wake up and he's got a fullbacks asshole.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thanks Berry, interesting turn of phrase. I think he enjoys
playing at number ten and I'm looking forward to seeing
playing at ten tonight. Hello Mark, Thanks Berry, I look Mark,
you know me, I take all callers.

Speaker 18 (30:54):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they used Boat
and Barrett coming coming off the bench, whether he goes
on for Peter Feder or whether he goes you know,
he comes on with the man. Let's say, probably will
come on for Peter Feder.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Really it feels most likely, doesn't it.

Speaker 19 (31:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (31:13):
To me, it's going to be interesting what style of
rugby they're going to play, to be honest, and whether
they've whether they can defeat the rushing defense that we've
seen from European teams for several years now. I think
Auckland the Blues probably showed, you know, you've really got
to get that front football from your forward pack to

(31:35):
get the backs going really before you just strolled out
into your back line. And I think that's what they
did in twenty fifteen, and they just smothered us, and
you know, the backs would get the ball and the
defense would already be on them, you know what I mean.
And I think we need to be able to hopefully
with the amount of coaches have got. Never seen so
many coaches of an all black team, but with the

(31:56):
amount of coaches have got, you know, specializing in different areas,
they can come up with a recipes for that because
the rushing defense and rugby is almost killed the game.
The spectacles that came, you know, I mean the last
rugby well Kapp was a bit of a dinner of
a fear. You know, it was pretty pretty tight and
blowing from a spectator's.

Speaker 20 (32:18):
Point of view.

Speaker 18 (32:19):
And I think it would be nice to see something
like a hybrid super rugby where we can see the
excitement of the backs running the ball and you know,
Mark Tala or some res scoring tries on the wing
would be great, wuldn't it?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I would? And I read a really interesting piece from
Gregor Paul and The Herald this week. Mark you might
have seen it as well, and he talked about the
All Blacks having a test forward pack and a super
rugby back line. I don't think that was any disrespect
to the players, but in terms of the way that
they're able to play, and exactly what you picked up
on there is if those backs can get some time
in space, you know, the likes of Jordy Barrett, Ricoe, Juani,

(32:58):
the back three, Talaya, Reese and Pedifeta, then we could
see some razzle dazzlad ahead tonight. But you're right about defenders.
Defense rather, it's become such a priority in international rugby
now and so much time and detail is given to
it that, you know, to stopping the opposition that that
sometimes it can be, as you said, a little bit dour,

(33:20):
a bit of an arm wrestle. So yeah, we'll see
what happens tonight, mate. I hope they find some space
out here on the grass. It's a it's looking a picture.

Speaker 18 (33:28):
Mate, Yeah for me, I quite like, I'm quite interested
to see how female will go on, you know, and
the forwards and you know, he's been such a dynamic
player this year for the Hurricanes, and I think he'll
be a bit of a surprise when he comes down
and blinds up on the wing like Damee.

Speaker 13 (33:45):
Coles try.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Now, they would please me more than those those big
thighs of us. I'm more charging down the touch line
and dotting down in the corner. Mark, good to chat
to you. Shout out to the team in the Sky
Sport broadcast truck. Just at a message from one of
them saying, not only the players and others have to
pass the time, so do we. They're here already. It's
only quarter to one. The game doesn't start till seven,

(34:10):
but the Sky crew they will not rest. Good to
have you listening into news talks. There'd be this afternoon.
Get another breakaway back with more of your calls after
this just on sixteen away from.

Speaker 16 (34:18):
One, cutting down to the first Boldlags test of twenty.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
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Speaker 16 (34:34):
News talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Four boarder calls. Let's get back to them.

Speaker 16 (34:38):
Get a Matt, Yeah, get a pony.

Speaker 21 (34:40):
How are you am?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I very good, Matt, very good.

Speaker 22 (34:44):
Yeah, I'm I'm actually I'm quite confident about tonight. I
they the old saying is you know the top two inches, Yes,
And I think that that's the feeling I get from
from from Robinson as a coach, is that he seems
to get the guys thinking and then you know, being

(35:04):
positive about this, about what they're doing. And I think
that if you can do that in anything in life,
not just sport, but you know, you know, you can
go a long way. And I think that's that's that's
the key to he's coaching is his ability to do
that with not just the you know, players, but I
think with people around him as well as you. As

(35:26):
you said in the interview, you know, that's a.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Great observation, Matt. It's a it's a terrific observation, mate,
because you're right, it's super rugby level. You know, give
or take a few players here and there, they're largely
the same ability. So it's what the coach can often
do in the top two inches, as you've pointed out,
in terms of motivating those players, managing them, man management,

(35:48):
whatever you want to call it. That makes the difference,
and clearly Rais has got something because look at the Crusaders.
Yes they've had a great roster, but you know you're
still got to motivate you guys to go out there
week in week out and win games.

Speaker 22 (36:01):
Yeah, well that's right. I mean if you look at
you know, you look at New Zealand for example, we
couldn't in a World Cup for how many years? Twenty
four years? And you can't say that we didn't have
the players, So where was it? It's in the head
and you know, once you know, and I think, you know,
I learned a lot from watching that Richie mccare movie

(36:21):
or that he put out was it Chasing Greatness or whatever,
about the mental side of it. And yeah, so I
mean if you can, if you can do your best
to conquer that or accept that, as they say, then
you know, I think I think the all backs could
be now if they do go, I think they will

(36:43):
give my hiding go on, you.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Man, I hope So mate, I've got to move on
to somebody else. Made a great call. And yeah, landing
on the top two inches is a very perceptive observation.

Speaker 20 (36:54):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Let's hope that they are all working in that department tonight.
How are you, George?

Speaker 20 (36:59):
Really good things, pioneering and extremely excited mate forasure to
be on the on the show today. Hey look, I'm
I'm I'm I'm fantastically excited about what the new regime
we're going to bring today under under Raiser who who
Marks so aptly described as a Catherine Wheel on that
as I mentioned sportsfa Podcast heard that, Hey, I don't

(37:20):
think there was any bit of description of Raiser and
the energies broaden the pr and cons and brand strategy
so far has been second to none by the kingmakers
getting it out there and getting the excitement building. But hey,
I want to draw your attention to a little bit
of symmetry here. Two thousand and four, the new regime
under Henry began in first opponents coming down under. We're England,

(37:43):
fresh off the back of their two thousand and three
Rugby World Cup victory and I don't know if many
of us can remember back that far, but we absolutely
took it to the newly crowned World champions and our
first few tests and it really set the tone for
the dynasty that was to come. I think this England
team are a whole lot stronger than then. Back then,
I know they had a lot of retirements Uster s

(38:03):
Wild Cup and I do think the Iris series of
twenty twenty two showed the Six Nations team that there's
a window of opportunity here for some of these teams
to come down Under and make some history because for
so long a series victory down here has been so
unattainable for those guys at the end of what has
been a very busy season. But this is a very
strong English team and hey, I think we you know,

(38:27):
the unknown for us comes in the fact that our
well cut was beyond expectations. But a lot of those
games are won on heart and ticker and I think
we could all agree it wasn't fluid rugby, so it
brings that level of excitement and I think it's it's
going to be a heck of a match up tonight.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
What a great call you s. You've got a background
in broadcasting, George, or if you haven't, you might have
a future mate.

Speaker 20 (38:51):
I can do a live cross if you want me
to come in, Poney and sit in the stands of
forsythe barth You I'm more than heavy too.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Top man, George Love the chetty mate, give us go
back tomorrow if you get the chance and we can
review it together. I really enjoyed your col mate, thanks
to Dave Cameron, your last cab off the rank this hour.
What's on your mind?

Speaker 14 (39:09):
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to actually seeing Papa Lee
play Bible counting English and bringing some breakdown specialists into
the game. And you know, I think arguably Sam Kane
was one of our best at the World Cup, particularly
in those Irish game, and you know, I think this
was Papa Leg's opportunity really, you know, with Sam Kane
obviously departing and then not to do the future, it's

(39:33):
really his opportunity, you know, to cement that jersey for himself.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
One hundred percent agree. He's kind of had to had
to be a bit patient Dalton. Papa Lee, I think
it was the best seven last year as well in
Super Rugby and this year I'm really looking forward to
seeing how he goes in the number seven jersey. I
actually quite like the combination Cameron, I'm not sure about
I like the female Papa Save. I'm again looking forward

(39:57):
to seeing how they go in combination tonight.

Speaker 14 (40:00):
Yeah, look and I mean I mean Robinson's obviously been
an ex open side himself, going to be able to
really help those guys, you know, especially I mean the
Seville is probably a next level above, but I just
feel like here that they've got the support there from
the coach seat, and you know, the coach really knows
what they've got to do. So I'm excited and needs
to say. You know, it'll be a great opportunity to

(40:21):
see how they test themselves against a very strong team.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Top man Cameron good points, well, mate, looking forward to it.
I think that's it. I think we're all looking forward
to seeing how it goes. I think there's a sense
of optimism, as there always is at the start of
any All Black season, but even more so this year
with the arrival of Scott Robertson. Now I would like
to to very early on in the piece just remind
everybody it is Scott Robertson. Robertson, Scott Robertson.

Speaker 10 (40:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
We've had a few texts along those lines. Seven to
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Speaker 1 (40:54):
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world to Weekend Sport with Jason Pie, They're all.

Speaker 16 (41:04):
Us talks EDB three and.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
A half time. One final text here from Paul, Who's
got the most approved tonight hands down, TJ pet Andata
and he will says Paul, thanks for all your calls
and correspondence, so much engagement around the All Blacks, so
much excitement. We'll open the lines again after one o'clock.
We get an English viewpoint from Traveling Rugby reporter Daniel Schofield,
and also wrap this historic night for New Zealand basketball

(41:28):
with the under seventeens.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues
on and after fields. It's all on weegens Ford with
Jason Vane on your home of sport.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
US Talk.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
One o seven. Welcome in. We're broadcasting live from the
commentary box at Foresight Bath Stadium in Dunedin six hours
or so until the All Blacks are under a in
twenty twenty four against England, first of two test matches.
They play them again at Eden Park and Auckland next Saturday.
Will be I presume anyway, I haven't been told different.
We'll be in the con box at eden Park next Saturday,

(42:05):
but for today it is Dunedin. Very shortly. An English
viewpoint from Traveling English Rugby journalist Daniel Schofield, who writes
for The Telegraph, but keen to know whether England think
that they will win this Test match or the one
next week. I mean, we're very biased, aren't we, And
that's because we're all Black fans. It's okay to expect

(42:28):
the all Blacks to whenever a game they play. I've
had a few techs through here that have suggested a
degree of trepidation, but for the most part, it's optimism
and excitement. Ahead of the first Test match of twenty
twenty four, Tony says Jason, I totally agree with the
caller who's watching the game at home quietly. I go

(42:49):
to the game by myself because I hate people talking
to me when I'm watching the game. It's like someone
annoying you and talking while you're reading a good book. Tony,
I take your point. I know a lot of people
don't come to the game for that reason. They prefer
to be able to watch it and analy it themselves
without distraction. But I've often said there's nothing like being there,

(43:12):
being live and well, they've completely sold out Forsyth bar
Rahod yesterday. The official capacity of the place is twenty
nine one hundred and forty one and they've all been
sold for tonight, so in around six hours it's going
to be an absolute belt here. Shortly, we are also
going to cover off this historic achievement by the New

(43:35):
Zealand Under seventeen men's basketball team. They've reached the semi
finals of the Fever Under seventeen Basketball World Cup in Turkey,
beating Lithuania seventy three sixty five in this morning's quarter final.
This is massive, a huge achievement. We'll put this into
context for you this hour, and Adam Peacock from across
the Tasman as well, Let's not forget the Wallabies start

(43:56):
their new regime tonight as well. Joe Schmidt at the
Helm as the Wallabies take on Wales. I think nine
to forty five kickoff in that one, so we'll be
able to talk about that tomorrow. And of course Ireland
against South Africa. The fifteen man code is front and
center of our consciousness right now. Let's get an English
viewpoint on this evening's Test match. Daniel Schofield rights for

(44:20):
the Telegraph and as in New Zealand to cover this series,
he joins US now on weekends Sport, Daniel, thanks for
taking the time. How optimistic are you of England winning
one or even both of these test matches?

Speaker 19 (44:35):
More optimistic than I think any England team has been
coming here probably since two thousand and three, and that
two thousand and three lots some of them actually rate
winning in Wellington as highly as they did winning the
World Cup that year in two thousand and eight. I

(44:56):
believe it was in twenty fourteen England already knew they
were beaten coming on the plane. That there are various
sort of factors back in England, the lack of preparation time,
certain players joining late, but I guess moreover, the All
Blacks were seen as pretty invincible, particularly in that twenty

(45:18):
fourteen era, and I just think it's such a different
scenario this time around. England are coming out with quite
a bit of momentum from the way they finished the
sixth Nations. They reasonably well.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
On in Japan.

Speaker 19 (45:32):
They've got settled combinations and the quiet confidence and obviously
arriving at a time when the All Blacks are in
transition with a new coach, new captain, new halfbacks, that
there's a real sense that this is probably England's best
chance since so free and could be their best chance

(45:54):
again for another twenty firsty years. We don't know how
the sort of tours are going to work out in
future with the Nation's championship, but you won't find Steve
Borthwick or anyone making sort of our proclamations about this.
But there's a real quiet confidence that England can can
can go and yeah win for the first time in

(46:15):
New Zealand in twenty one years.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
What did you make of the side named by Steve
Borthwick for this first test?

Speaker 19 (46:24):
Pretty much as advertised that they He's He's made a
real point almost since he came on board after Reddie Jones,
that the most successful sides are built on cohesion and continuity.

Speaker 16 (46:42):
Now you can't always control that.

Speaker 19 (46:45):
With like injuries and suspensions, but he have a sort
of flag that there were going to be minimal changes
from Japan and something like Marcus Smith he wanted to
start throughout the Six Nations, but again circumstance meant that
he injured his calf in a warm weather training camp

(47:05):
in Dern so there weren't many surprises. They've obviously changed
the props and I think he's wherey particularly after what
happened in a World Cup semi final against South Africa
where he sort of frontloaded his best scrummagers that you
don't necessarily start Cole and Mahler together, that they work

(47:26):
is better in a combination, So no real surprises. And
fairly there's obviously will be a few faces that maybe
New Zealand listeners will be unaware of, like fair Boso
and Freeman on the wings, but they're relatively settled.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
These two tests come at the end of a very
very busy few months, don't theref We go back to
the World Cup and in England coming within one point
of beating South Africa and making the World Cup final
the Six Nations, which was very fiercely fought. Will the
timing of these two test matches apply it all into
New Zealand's favor? I guess another way of asking that
question is will England be but fatigued?

Speaker 19 (48:08):
Yeah, I mean you can definitely see it like that.
I would say that the England team has been fairly
refreshed since the World Cup. You've obviously lost a lot
of experienced people like owing Farrell, Courtney laws manutuur Lagi
and someone like many failed Boso wasn't involved at the

(48:32):
World Cup, and in fact, yeah, he was playing sort
of club rugby a little more than sort of eighteen
months ago. So yeah, and then someone like maritose he
technically shouldn't really be on this tour. There's a limit
with the Rugby Players Association that you shouldn't play more

(48:53):
than thirty four game equivalents, so the equivalent of twenty
four hundred minutes. So he's going to go over this
limit on this tour. But I think he's the only one,
and they've obviously manufactured loophole in order for him to
do that. I don't think fatigue would be cited as
an excuse if they lose, but.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I'm sure I could be proved wrong on that. Do
you get a sense that the All Blacks might be
vulnerable under a new coach, a new captain, you know,
a bunch of pretty experienced players having now departed. Do
you get a sense that the All Blacks may be
vulnerable tonight?

Speaker 13 (49:36):
Definitely.

Speaker 19 (49:37):
I'm not not necessarily saying that England are red hot
favorites there anything like that, but there are a crossroads
with a new coach and new captain. No one really
knows what to expect. I guess another way to put
it is that when they came England came here in
twenty fourteen, the team was absolutely stacked with world class players.

(50:01):
Now you put someone like Ardie Survey in that category,
but don't quite have the players like Carter Smith, Non Neukano,
Retallic etc. Who were probably struck a little bit of
fear into England back then. I don't think this All
Blacks team necessarily has the same fear factor of that

(50:25):
its predecessors.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Did you spend a bit of time and around the
All Blacks at the start of the week where you
were in Wellington and and got a bit of a
sense of what they're about? What did you make of
the All Black What sense did you get from them
with regard to the challenge whole face from England and
how they're approaching that.

Speaker 19 (50:47):
So I should I should say, it's my first time
in New Zealand, so I was in little surprised that
there seemed to be a sense of general nervousness. That
the perception I've had is that the kiwis always very
cockshaw and that's probably a compliment that you know, they've
had such a successful team for so many years that

(51:09):
victories has taken for granted. I didn't get that sense
at all. I wrote a piece that effectively like the
All Blacks were killing England with kindness, sort of going
overboard with how nice they were and were really sort
of flashing their teeth, which I completely understand the position

(51:32):
they're in that they can't necessarily be sort of thumping
their chests like Razi Erasmus does for South Africa. But yeah,
I was surprised a little bit the sense of nervousness.
And you know, a colleague was at the squad announcement
and said, like, Scott Robson looked really, really nervous in

(51:54):
that situation. So obviously it would be a frightening experience
for anyone to sort of talk in front of lots
of cameras and feel that weight of the nation on
his shoulders. But even yesterday he didn't look all that
comfortable in that environment.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, I read the pace actually, and yeah, you picked
up on Scott Hanson, one of the assistant coaches, calling
England beautiful. The fact that compared to ten years ago,
you know, when the All Blacks didn't really know too
many of the England players. There's been a greater amount
of detail this time around. If England are to win
tonight or to win next weekend or both, what do

(52:33):
they have to do particularly well?

Speaker 19 (52:37):
I think I'll probably list off of a load of
cliches here, But whether in the early storm, I think
England have sort of know that the All Blacks are
going to come out firing, and they know it's going
to be really loud in the Sithebar Stadium tonight and
that the conditions are going to be tricky. If they

(52:58):
can weather that early storm, then I think it'll be
a tight game. And whether that sort of weight of
expectation and the nerves would start to play on your
Black shoulders. As much as England's game attacking game has
evolved over the course of six Nations, that the fundamentals

(53:23):
are always to set piece and particularly under Steve Borthwick,
line out and scrum which have improved, but obviously the
All Blacks have made great strides since the sort of
new coaching staff have comeing in that area as well. Yeah,
I think I don't think it's going to be a
trifest I think it's going to be more more excided

(53:47):
by the probably the goalkickers than necessarily the wingers out wide.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
And just to finish, will we just zoom out a
bit from from from tonight's game and this tear series.
As I say, England third and the six Nations, but
they bede Ireland and only lost to France by just
the two points, you know close. As I said before
a World Cup final at the back end of last year,
where do you assist Daniel Whitt England rugby is right now, We're.

Speaker 19 (54:16):
Definitely not in the sort of elite category by any means,
but it's probably been You'd have to go back to
twenty nineteen and the World Cup semi final which against
New Zealand, which is still used as the sort of
high watermark for English rugby recent years. But really there

(54:38):
hasn't been a lot of optimism since then. After that
World Cup under Eddie sort of the wheels fell off slowly.
They were winning but badly in twenty twenty and then
losing a lot in twenty one and twenty two. Steve
Worfwick came in with a limittedly, very limited game plan

(55:04):
that was incredibly effective in getting England to World Cup
semi final within a point of the spring box and
then coming into this Six Nations it was again fairly
limited to begin with, but then between Scotland and the
Island Games has been a huge transformation in the way

(55:27):
England have been attacking and the freedom and ambition they've shown,
which they yeah, you would have to go back five years.
So even though England certainly aren't sort of beating their
chests and pretending they're sort of world number ones, yeah
they're on. It feels like they've turned a corner. I mean,

(55:49):
it could all obviously come crashing now in the next
couple of.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Weeks, but.

Speaker 19 (55:53):
There's a sense of optimism and if you speak to
most English sporting fans, the thing they want more than
anything else is a bit of hope.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Daniel, great to get your insight. Thank you so much.
I hope you're enjoying your stay here in New Zella.
Look forward to catching up perhaps post match tonight. Thanks
for your time this afternoon.

Speaker 19 (56:10):
Though, that'd be great, Okay, thank you, No, thank you, Daniel.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Daniel Scofield there read them in the Telegraph here as
part of quite a decent English rugby media. Actually, I
would say there would be at least a dozen of
them here, had the chance to meet and chat to
a few of them last night here in Duneda there
and enjoying themselves as traveling rugby journos tend to do,

(56:35):
and looking forward to tonight. Look, he seemed fairly confident,
didn't he, Daniel Schofield of an England upset. We've got
time for a couple of calls. We want to talk
some basketball in a moment. We couldn't get everybody on
the air before one o'clock, so if you'd like to
jump on the line, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty has listening to the English point of view in

(56:55):
any way decreased your optimism about tonight? Or you pick
up on anything you like really about this game tonight?
How you're getting through until five past seven? If you're
on text, Jason, Big game Day, It'll be tough. This
is a battle hardened squad with big, strong, fast forwards,
fresh off an international season where they beat our nemesis Island.

(57:16):
They're confident with an unchained squad. We've also got a
great squad, but some new blood, new coach, new processes
and an old habit of starting a test season a
bit jittery. Nothing in it All Blacks by three Max.
That's Jim Hickey. That's Jim. It's Jim. Great to hear
from you, mate, Thank you for sending that through big
rugby fan Jimmers and makes a lot of sense. Raizer

(57:39):
needs to watch how the Baby Blacks beat France with
traditional All Blacks up tempo rugby, keep the ball off
the ground and one off the ruck and beat that
rush defense says this one. Tim, How are you feeling
about tonight?

Speaker 23 (57:52):
Yeah, I'm feeling good. They're really good. I guess you know,
it does England King kind of feel a bit bullish.
I mean, they've built the beaten understring for Japanese team
they beat Ireland that they've got a lot of young
players coming. But at the end of the day, this
is the All Blacks and we're playing at home. I

(58:14):
think that's going to be the big measure this. This
isn't Ireland who came here three years ago under Winnian
Fosterils coaching RBS. But I'm pretty confident and I'm quite
surprised that a lot of the media in the UK
are feeling that their favorites at the moment.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, I guess, I guess it's probably naturals and it
would probably be the same if the if the situation
was reversed. But you make a good point to you know,
they did beat Ireland, they only just lost to France.
They're pretty battle hardened. But I think you're right. I
don't think they're the They're not the Island of twenty
twenty two, the England of twenty twenty four, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 23 (58:50):
No, and this is not the or Blacks of twenty
twenty two either, ohtho are a lot of the players
were there? A lot of these players that are in
the Lacks team are informed. I can't think of one
player that's not really informed at the moment. I mean
a lot of there's a lot of question that's around Pierrefeta,
But we'll just hurt the wedd and see how he
goes it full bit tonight. But I'm pretty confident. I'm
saying fifteen points we're going to win by mate.

Speaker 21 (59:13):
You go love it?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Tim, goodness, don't we Why don't you call back tomorrow
and we can we can assess your prediction.

Speaker 23 (59:19):
Yes, And just before I go, who won that Portugal game.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
In the US?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Not not Portugal unfortunately for them. Yeah, No, France on
France one on yeah, France one on penalties. Damn it
all right, overly chat tomorrow, mate, Thanks for your cool
Piney betch of fifty bucks says Hermon. It'll be about
the reef tonight. He won't waste his chance to be
the main player. Sadly, that's rugby these days. Herman. I

(59:44):
I'm not going to take the bet, but I hope
it's not true. I really hope that we don't see
the referee at all tonight. Dave says Jason. As much
as I want the All Blacks to win, I think
we'll have to wait for Auckland for that tonight. I
think an England team with lots of recent games against
an All Blacks team, many of who are are sure
of a game and lack of cohesion will get us interesting.

(01:00:07):
Dave pragmatic from you, and Steven says you ask Ben
Smith about how he watches rugby these days. Does he
just go along and watch it like the rest of us?
Steven says, did you think he might pack his boots
just in case he's needed. I don't think Ben Smith
would be packing his boots, but by the look of
him on the sideline, for the Highlanders during the season.
He could probably still go all right one five. It

(01:00:31):
is here on news talks here, but let's get a
breakaway when we come back history making Tall Blacks, or
rather junior toll Blacks or under seventeen New Zealand basketball
side overnight. They have gone further than any of their
previous incarnations in terms of underage New Zealand basketball teams
at World Cups. Age group teams will call them. One

(01:00:54):
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one of our most iconic Toll Blacks. So a proud
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Speaker 16 (01:02:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Bang On one p thirty. New Zealand have made history
at the Feber Under seventeen Basketball World Cup in Turkey.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Excellent work here from New Zealand.

Speaker 24 (01:02:25):
Are they are going gruts in the semifinals for the
first time.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
In their history?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, bang On, They've reached the semifinals. Beating Lithuania seventy
three sixty five in this morning's quarter final, they become
the first New Zealand team to make it to the
semifinals of a feber Age Group World Cup. They will
play the United States for a place in the final.
A true team effort, Oscar Goodman led the way nineteen
points and ten rebounds, Hayden Jones equally influential thirteen points

(01:02:54):
and twelve rebounds, Jackson Kiss seventeen points and eight rebounds,
Troy Plumtree twelve points, eight rebounds, and Hunter Tatna chipping
in with seven points, including a pair of triples the
final quarter the highest New Zealand has achieved in its
previous two Under seventeen World Cups fourteenth and twelfth, and
this is also the furthest any New Zealand basketball team

(01:03:17):
has gone since the Tour Blacks dream run at the
two thousand and two World Champs, where they finished fourth
in Indianapolis, and that squad has ties to this one.
One of the leaders in two thousand and two was
Phil Jones. His son, Hayden Jones plays a key role
on this New Zealand Under seventeen men's national team. Phil

(01:03:37):
Jones is with us. You must be a proud dad
first and foremost, are you?

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Phil?

Speaker 21 (01:03:43):
Yeah? Bind me, you're pretty proud proud parents. Myself and
cat boys are doing extremely well, and Hayden obviously is
playing a big part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
How significant an achievement is this put it into context
for us.

Speaker 21 (01:03:58):
Well, I guess you know. Basketball is one of the
world sports and probably only second to football around the world,
and it's a pretty big achievement for a younger group
going to a world championship and doing what they're doing
right now. Obviously coming up it's a pretty tough team
and their next opponent, but for what they've done so far,

(01:04:21):
it's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
What were your expectations when they headed off.

Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
Well, I always thought that they could be pretty competitive,
you know. I look at this age group and the
guys that are in the team and sort of watching
them grow up through the years, having coached a number
of a number of them or coached against them a
number of them throughout the last few years. Very talented,
good size, good athletes. They can all shoot, and they

(01:04:50):
play super hard, super competitors. So I think as far
as maybe an age group team that's been put together
one of the better ones that we've seen for a
long time in New Zealand and the Black Singler.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Is that just by chance pill Or has the way
that our young men and women are being coached now changed.
What has led to this this particular group of players,
you know, turning out the way they have.

Speaker 21 (01:05:17):
Yeah, I don't know, it's a good question, you know
that I know for Hayden, for example, you know, he's
been around basketball since he was a little kid, and
obviously with myself and Cat and had the opportunity to
have a born his hand really really early on, as
well as the sisters and you know, they all three
of them have turned out to be pretty good basketballers.

(01:05:37):
And I think that's definitely helped him on his journey.
But there's still a few guys that are also quite
new to basketball that are in the team as well.
And you know, I think it comes down to the
influences of the parents and the families and getting them
into sport and involved in basketball. But also I think
lighton Haddleton, the ended coach, the coach of the team,

(01:05:59):
he alluded to the fact that there's a number of
good coaches around New Zealand, I've had some involvement with
these guys for quite a long time, so you know
they've had some good grounding. They love basketball, their competitors
pretty good mix for a pretty talented group.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Absolutely, it is have they had a lot of time
playing together, so you know, they're all from different parts
of the country, obviously different franchises, different secondary schools. Have
they had much time playing together.

Speaker 21 (01:06:26):
This group, not really apart from the previous tournaments that
they've been to, because they have a three year cycle
where it starts at under fifteens now Oceani a championship
with it which they go to, so they get together
for that and then the qualifiers from that then go
to the Asian champs the next year in the under

(01:06:48):
sixteens and then they get together for that. So that really,
when you think about it, they've only been together for
these three tournaments that they've had. They've been lucky enough
to get a reasonable build up into this tournament, having
gone a little bit earlier over into Turkey and playing
in the Stanbul Cup winning that tournament. So you know,

(01:07:10):
I guess from a preparation perspective, they don't have a
lot of time together, but they all know each other.
They've all played against each other for quite a long
time now, so that will help them when they get together.
But it would be it'll be awesome if we could
get them together for a month before they go and
see what they could do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
How tough will the United States be in the semi final?
What a stupid question? How but how big? How big
a jumped up is this going to be for them?

Speaker 21 (01:07:36):
Well, you've heard of David and Goliath, right, Well, yeah,
this is a this is a exactly that I think.
You know, the US team has been super dominant throughout
the whole tournament, all of the games that have been
winning comfortably by a margin of somewhere between forty and
fifty points. You know, the Canadian game set in the

(01:07:56):
quarter final they played last night, they won that. I
think it was one hundred and eleven to sixty odds, So,
you know, and Canada would be pretty tough. So I
would say, so, who are big for the NZ team?
But I would say late and we'll have them firing.
They'll go out and be prepared and yeah, they've got
nothing to lose. Just get out there, play the game.

(01:08:18):
The hoop's still the same height, and the room's still
the same with the basketball courts are still the same size.
You just got to get after it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
And I would imagine I don't know this to be true,
but I would imagine that that this group of David's
would be absolutely fizzing to take on Goliath, wouldn't they.

Speaker 21 (01:08:34):
Oh yeah. We talked to Hayden after the game, and
you know, they were super pumped to be in the Semis,
but I think he was probably more excited about actually
playing the US, because you know, all of these guys
look up to those guys and sort of idolize them
and what they do in their colleges and high schools
and the athletes that they are, and they see them

(01:08:54):
on social media all the time. So I think they
are all of them are super pumped about playing USA.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Are we looking at a group of players here who
could emulate what you did in two thousand and two?

Speaker 21 (01:09:08):
Well they already have, right but there the top four,
So now it's down to them to see whether they
could go one step further. It'd be awesome if they could,
you know, somehow get a win against the USA and
then get themselves into a gold medal, silver medal match.

(01:09:28):
But if it doesn't go that way, then they've still
got an opportunity to go one further than the two
thousand and two team did. And you know I would
love to see that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, I guess what I was asking was, as tall
Blacks in the years ahead, could this group of under
seventeen players do what you guys did in a tall
Black singlet?

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:09:47):
I don't see why not. You know, we've got we've
got a very good TOOLBAX team now and we get
all of our players together. It's probably the key I
think moving forward is how we try and keep this
group together or add pieces to it to make sure
that we're competing at the highest level in the black singler.

(01:10:07):
You know, sometimes it's very hard because these players are
off at different leagues and competitions and it's tough to
get them out of those leagues to get them back
and we're in the black single it and you know
that's going to be a struggle for Bustall New Zealand
moving forward. How do they keep this group together so
that we can be competitive at a will stage that two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Thousand and two team had you played much with them
at under seventeen level, for example, Phil, I think of
the players in that two thousand and two team. Had
you played much with them previously?

Speaker 21 (01:10:40):
Personally? No, yeah, but I didn't play any New Zealand
representative basketball until I moved from the coast to Nelson
and made the other twenties. So the Jay Junior tool Blacks,
that was the first time that I'd played worth the
lights of Pera Cameron and Mark Diicle and Sean Marks,
those guys. But we were a group that sort of

(01:11:04):
came through the on NBL together, played in the national
team for a decent period of time. Once we sort
of got together, probably around that late nineties early two thousands,
where you Tabull came along with Dennibushnich and kind of
changed things for us a bit. But we knew each

(01:11:26):
other very well, not too just similar to what this
group is like at the moment. So I think there's
you know, there's a really good opportunity for these guys
to do well, and they've done well so far in
this tournament, but in the future they could really take
the tour base to the next level.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Have you had any sleep?

Speaker 21 (01:11:45):
Very patchy sleep. It was nice to have a nine
to thirty game last night versus a two am and
a five AM and a four to thirty am. You know,
but back to the grind on Sunday morning where the
boys played two AM against USA. So yeah, but it's
all worth it, one hundred percent, it's worth it, Yeah, worth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Getting up for. Great to chat Phil, Look, I know
everyone around New Zealand has just delighted that this latest
group of young athletes is doing so well. Really good
to chat mate, Thanks and all the best mate. Cheers
Phil Jones, dad of Hayden, who plays a massive part
in this New Zealand under seventeen men's team, himself obviously
an icon of our game. But yeah, watching these young boys,

(01:12:26):
I've seen a lot of clips this morning on social
media and you know, just the way they play and
the way they carry themselves. And as Phil said, it's
going to be David against Goliath when New Zealand played
the United States and basketball. It doesn't matter what level,
but these players will first for it. What an opportunity

(01:12:46):
for them. And imagine the eyes that will be on
the US under seventeen basketball team, who by default will
get the opportunity to watch the New Zealand team in action.
Huge opportunity for these boys. Great Stuff nineteen away from two,
broadcasting life from Forsyth bar Stadium and Dunedin where tonight
of course All Blacks England seven four commentary here on

(01:13:08):
News Talk sad B, but across the Tasman Joe Schmidt
will lead the Wallabies for the first time tonight when
they take on Wales. Our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock are
next on that and also a young Australian who is
taking on Speaking of David v. Goliath Novak Djokovic at
Wimbledon tomorrow morning Adam Peacock. Right after this on News

(01:13:28):
Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
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Speaker 16 (01:13:40):
News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Coming up one forty five on News Talks sad B
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can get home and watch Joe Schmidt's Wallabies for the
first time. Scott robertson taking charge of the All Blacks
for the first time tonight. Joe Schmidt in charge of
the Wallabies up against Wales at Alian's, which brings us
nicely to our Australian correspondent, Adam Peacock.

Speaker 13 (01:14:05):
How are you, mate, good poney yourself?

Speaker 20 (01:14:08):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Thanks mate, very good. Looking forward to watching the Wallabies
against Wales tonight. What's the general feeling around about the
Wallabies under judgment? They should win tonight, shouldn't they should do?

Speaker 21 (01:14:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:14:20):
Obviously Wales have had a few issues in six Nations
and even though last time we met they absolutely pumped
us and that was the cataclysmic end or punctuation point
if you want to want it that way on the
Eddie Jones era. That was as low as low can
get for Australian rugby.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
So I think this is new.

Speaker 13 (01:14:40):
Tell us your fella, our fella out. Joe Schmid's come
in and he's not gone. Oh, let's press the paint button.
Let's get all the guys in from overseas. It's like, okay,
if you want to go and play regularly next year,
you're gone. If you want to be overseas at the moment, no,
I'll pick you. I'll just go from Super Rugby and
back to basics approach, I think, so it'd be interesting

(01:15:03):
to see how that go. It's not the nicest day here,
into need a bit of rain about, so it might
not be free flowing running Raby, but probably not going
to be that anyway. First up with Jays, Yeah, intrigue
to have a look at it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:16):
I don't really know.

Speaker 13 (01:15:18):
I don't think there's too many people who really know
what we're going to get through the wall of this
next six months.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
What sort of cut throughs are getting because we're right
in the middle of you know, the NRL season, you know,
Australian rules still going on, other things happening, Wimbledon and
we'll talk about that in a moment. Does does rugby
get cut through to people know there's a teas match
on on Sydney tonight.

Speaker 13 (01:15:40):
Yes, it depends where you look. Look, it has a lot.
I don't know what it's like there in New Zealand,
but it feels like with the electronic media these days
and and print media that if a certain organization has
the rights as the nine network boot here in Australia
and it's on stand so that means the papers like
the SEI, Money Herald give it hey heavy coverage. But

(01:16:00):
if it's not, they're like the other sides of the men.
You don't really heavily in it. There's an element of intrigue,
so it does depend where you look, but yeah, there
is a bit of interest in the rugby playing States.
I'd say the AFL playing States not so much, but
yeah there's a bit here, even though there is origin
and he regular r L.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Stuff going on Wimbledon. I mentioned that we just talked
about our under seventeen basketball team about to take on
the United States. In terms of a David versus Goliath,
one of your young Australians taking on Novak Djokovic. Has
he got a David's chance against Goliath?

Speaker 13 (01:16:39):
I put Alexipopprin's chances a little bit better than David's
chances against Goliath, But I'm not a huge amount of
Obviously it's Jokovic, and look at the moment he doesn't
to be showing the full effects of a knee surgery
just on. But look, he doesn't have that base to
lean on. I don't think Jokovic so if Poperin gets

(01:17:00):
him into a fight, he might be a chance. He
so not ruling him out, but he's going to have
to play it near his best, which he has done
let in his first two pretty switched on performance so far.
But there's Djokovic center called Wimbledon. Not many people beating there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
So what's some Nick Kariosi's later situation.

Speaker 20 (01:17:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:17:22):
I don't know. He's just lurking around and he's had
issues which can be a career And remember one Martine
del Potro, he started to have risk injuries and he
was never a hire. Not the case Nick, because he
does brings uping to the court, but he's he's best
friends with Djokovic now, which is just a surreal sword.
He's doing a bit of commentary there for the BBC,

(01:17:42):
so he is making his presence known wherever he goes
and his opinion knowing Nick. But hopefully around the American
hard court swing which comes up in a month time
or so, he's back out there because Tennis does need
to play like Nick Kios, and it looks as though
given how much he's hanging around the two and Nick
Kios needs Tennis as well, so he's not far off,

(01:18:04):
but he's not quite there.

Speaker 21 (01:18:05):
Yet, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
And to finish today, football, the A leagues during the
week have announced the cutting of their cloth. The money
that they give to the A League clubs is going
to be greatly diminished next season. What are the repercussions
of this?

Speaker 13 (01:18:22):
I think the clubs knew that down that this was coming,
so that they're preparing budgets accordingly. Clubs like Central Coast
Adelaide and I'll probably Wellington in with this now they
can ride this out because they've seen it and they've
got some young players coming through, and Wellington obviously have
the reserves to play in your national league, and they've

(01:18:43):
got the academy and things like that. So it's not
a complete like doomsday apocalypse, but it's not great and
clubs really need an upturning those centralized funding distributions to
keep Bible in the long term. At the moment, it's
not going to happen. Next two years is not going
to happen. But yeah, I think they're going to have

(01:19:04):
to lean heavily into the lopping players for transfer and markets,
and that's the only.

Speaker 8 (01:19:08):
Way out of it.

Speaker 25 (01:19:09):
But the football overall, you might not get your quality
of import in as you would and your young player
might go earlier, but they're they're the two main differences
I think going forward to the league.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
All right, and did you get some golfing before the
heavens opened?

Speaker 8 (01:19:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:19:25):
I know the heaven's opened during no mate, but you're
sitting in dune aiden and I feel like I am
as well. Eight six that we counted out and the
course eight successive saturdays where there's been rain and wind.
It's ridiculous, hideous.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Do you think it's somebody's way of telling you to
give the game of golf away or not?

Speaker 13 (01:19:49):
Probably?

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
But I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Love it, mate, Always love chatting Australian sport with the
Adam will do it again next Saturday.

Speaker 13 (01:19:57):
Sounds good, fine, its mate.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Thanks mate, have a good one. That's Edam Peacock, Australian correspondent.
Catch him on socials. He's also part of Stand Sports
coverage of Wimbledon Alexei Popera and up against Novak Djokovic.
That's three forty five tomorrow morning for those who would
like to get up to watch the latest Australian hope
up against Novak Djokovic. Yeah, three forty five tomorrow morning,

(01:20:19):
which is around about the same time actually that Ireland
and South Africa play. It's a big night of sport.
You look at it. I'd mentioned before that there's obviously
the All Blacks tonight. Well there's start with the Warriors
and we'll talk to Shanelle Harris Tavita after two o'clock
they play at five, All Blacks at seven Wallaby's Whales
after that, and then you get yourself up to midnight.

(01:20:42):
I'm sure I'm forgetting something. But then once you get
around to three o'clock in the morning, maybe you get
a couple of hours kip. Three o'clock in the morning,
Ireland against South Africa, the tennis I just mentioned, and
then you're into the Euros. England play their quarter final
at four o'clock, followed by that's against Switzerland, followed by
the Netherlands against Turkey. So you could, basically, if you

(01:21:03):
wanted to and had the intestinal fortitude to do so,
get yourself all the way through the night watching sport.
I'm not quite sure how you'd wash up tomorrow morning.
But look, I'm not going to tell you not to dine.
And you could also go tour to France. Mate, don't
forget yes, yes, yeah, are you you're quite into that,
aren't you? Oh mate, It's one of my favorite couple
of weeks or three weeks of the year. I absolutely

(01:21:24):
love Litur. It's it's a gripping watch the whole sign
piney of. I've realized I've only got a minute to speak,
but I could go for hours on it. So I'm
going to just turn my mic off now, Mate, Latour,
you say, let tour, let's tour difference? Am I? Am
I going to get in trouble for trying to do
a fringe accent? Definitely, all you're doing is speaking English

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and a fringe accent.

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
This, I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Love it all right. Seven to three, seven to two,
rather news Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Epic fails
Weekend Sport with Jason Ime News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Zimb Diane, She's what about the moldy All Black Stason? Correct?
I forgot them. Our New Zealand Maldi take on a
Japan fifteen that's at nine o'clock tonight, so almost on
the on the whistle of the All Blacks Test against England,
the Japan fifteen against New Zealand Maldi. That will cut
into the Australia Wales game obviously, and some Formula one
in that mix as well, says Hamish Yeah, what are

(01:22:23):
UK Grand Prix? So much sport on don't know where
to look, but loving that we can look in all
different directions and see sport coming our way. After two,
Chanelle Harris Tavita out of the Warriors. They take on
the Bulldogs. At five, Danielle Hison is off to the Paralympics,
one of our top Paralympic sprinters. And Rick Salitso is
back with Sports Cafe.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Ish the only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 10 (01:23:00):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Two seven, one more hour of us and then we'll
flick it across to the weekend, collect to Tim Beverage,
taking you through until six and then on back. We've
been given a double shift today, so's Andy. Actually, we'll
bring you build up of the All Blacks England Test
match starting from six, take you through to seven, then
hand over the microphone to Elliott Smith. He's got former

(01:23:24):
All Black Paul Miller alongside for tonight's call. First Test
of twenty twenty four. Continue to send your thoughts through
on text. How are you feeling if you're into needing
for the game. What's the buzz you get around the
place off in here for nearly two days now and yeah,
feeling like a test city. It certainly did last night.
Looking forward to seeing what plays out tonight on the

(01:23:47):
grass in front of me here it was we broadcast
from high in the stand here at Forsyth Barth. We're
going to take you in a couple of different directions
though this hour. Want to chat Warriors. Five o'clock start
for them as they take on the Bulldogs this afternoon.
Good win last week against the Broncos off the back
of that horrendous probably never to be spoken about again
lost to the Gold Coast Titans. Chanell Harris Taviza and

(01:24:08):
Tim Muddy Martin teaming up in the halves and looking
really really good. Shanello Harris Tavita with her shortly looking
ahead to the Bulldogs game. Danielle Hison is off to
her second Paralympic Games. One of our top sprinters, she's
the world champion in the two hundred meters, looking to
add Paralympic gold a little bit later on this year

(01:24:29):
in Paris. She is with us this hour and rix
Zlitzo is also on the show Remember Sports Cafe nineties
and into the two thousands, an iconic television show. Well,
it's returning as a podcast rix Alitza, Mark Ellis, Lee
Hart and others. So Rick's going to tell us how
that all came about and how much they had to

(01:24:49):
pay him to get back in his studio with those guys.
I've heard him talk quite often rix Alitzo about how
it was the most stressful time of his life. So
what made him decide to come back and give it
another crack with Sports Cafe Ish the new podc cast
offering on the iHeartRadio platform. But before we get into

(01:25:10):
any of that, as we always do at around about
this time on weekend sport, we like to get you
up to date, to catch you up on some of
the stuff that you may have missed. Its cordenication, you
missed it. Andy McDonald pulls it together every Saturday and Sunday,
and he started today with the NRL and the Panthers
continue to march on.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
And the Panthers do it again. They do it again
in a big game as usual.

Speaker 15 (01:25:40):
They are up to the moment and they have grand
out a fourteen points to six win over Brisbane.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Indeed they did. Let's go to the European Football Championship
Spain through at the expense of the hosts.

Speaker 20 (01:25:55):
Mitchell in the one hundred and twentieth minutes.

Speaker 16 (01:26:06):
Jo surely, but speed it to the semi.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Final and they will play France, who got past Portugal
on penalties. France had done it, and the dream of
Christiano Ronaldo is older.

Speaker 25 (01:26:27):
This last euro is older at the age of thirty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
But the adventure continues to dial.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
And France staying on that side of the world. In
the first time trial and the Tour de France, that
wasn't Pegachia or vinger Guard but Rimco even pol who
took out the stage, the.

Speaker 15 (01:26:46):
Yellow jersey closing in on the finish line.

Speaker 16 (01:26:50):
But it's not going to be enough.

Speaker 15 (01:26:51):
This afternoon, remco Eve Nepole wins his first ever stay
of the tour to France. That Tanney Pagatcher has sent
out the message Pagatca is supreme.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
In the time trial, he might.

Speaker 15 (01:27:03):
Be second, but he holds onto the yellow jazz Ramcoach
and Nepa.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Wins the time trial. There is I'm told a new
champion in the world of hot dog eating paper letting
meet so much to the people who follow this sport,
and he's been out of it for them.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
All part for a long time.

Speaker 7 (01:27:22):
But he is roaring back in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
A way that very few except me could have anticipated.

Speaker 16 (01:27:27):
Yeah it is and that's We're still hanging tough.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Ten seconds to go, but I think Paperletti's about to
have a coke and a smile here at.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Nathan's famis.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Fifty eight hot dogs, fifty eight and ten minutes. Sorry
for the pause, I was just trying to contemplate fifty
eight hot dogs and ten minutes for pat Bertilletti, but
former champion Joey Chestnut controversially not there. He instead had
his own competition where he gobbled down fifty seven hot
dogs and only five minutes. And finally some history for Kiewe,
Lulu Soon and Wimbledon.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
One son who sat still still shines seven six and
it's Will nineteen and as the twenty three year.

Speaker 13 (01:28:10):
Olds qualifier, Lulu Sun into her very first Grand Slam
four rounds at Wimbleton.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
weekends for it with Jason Vye they call eight hundred
and eighty and eighty News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
ZENB twelve minutes past two. Just jumping aheare twenty four
hours just very quickly. Our Road to Paris feature continues
tomorrow as we count down towards the Paris Olympics, which
are getting very close. But we're continuing our look at
great Olympic moments of the past, and tomorrow Hamish Carter
is on the show. You remember the Means Triathlon in
two thousand and four in Athens where Hamish Carter and

(01:28:50):
Bevan Dougherty was stride for stride until very late in
that race, Hamish Carter eventually winning gold and Bevan Dougherty silver.
So Hamish Carter with us tomorrow at about this time
to remember two thousand and four. As our Road to
Paris feature continues to the NRL we go the Warriors
take on the Bulldogs five o'clock this afternoon. The Warriors

(01:29:11):
bouncing back from that horror loss to the Titans with
a very solid victory against the Broncos last weekend, scoring
six tries to.

Speaker 22 (01:29:18):
Three part a bit close to the minis of many
of us thought there I suspect now Martin again, who's
the vida?

Speaker 16 (01:29:30):
There's over for the first time the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
He scored two of the warriors six tries and he's
with us now. Chanelle Harris Tavita out of the Warriors
camp ahead of the game against the Bulldogs. Chanell, thanks
for your time. How do you reflect, first of all,
back on that win over the Broncos, coming as it
did off the back of the loss to the Titans.

Speaker 6 (01:29:48):
Yeah, I think we we executed what we plan to do.

Speaker 24 (01:29:54):
They came off a tough week the week before against
the Titans, and a lot of the boys are looking
for redemption, and yeah, we really wanted to turn.

Speaker 6 (01:30:05):
To our our game around from from the week before.
So I'm happy we got the result and but we've
still got lots of improvement in us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Did you feel like there was any extra pressure after
the Titans game?

Speaker 24 (01:30:19):
Not too much pressure. I think we know what wins
US games. We just we didn't turn up on that
day and we didn't do We didn't do what we
plan to do. So we we went back to the
drawing board. We know what wins US games and we
just needed to put all our energy energy into that.
So yeah, that helped us get the result.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
What other things that that win the Warriors games? What
do you really focus on when you're when you're planning,
you know each week.

Speaker 24 (01:30:46):
Well, we like to build our build our game on
our defense, and we had too many mist tackles and
we started really poorly against the Titans. We went physical
enough and coming back to uh sold out home crowd
like that, that got us really physical and I thought
we started well to play the pressure.

Speaker 6 (01:31:05):
So the more we can do that, the better we'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
One of the eye catching features of the game was
your partnership with Timarti Martin of course in the in
the six and seven jumper. First of all, how much
do you enjoy that partnership.

Speaker 24 (01:31:20):
Yeah, my first game this year was with with Tomorrow
and the halves we were playing yourself, I was cupping.
I think just from then we knew each other's strengths
and we sort of sort of flowed pretty well. And
like whoever steps into the role of the six or
seven jersey, we know, we know what we need to do,
and we make variations based on what the player strengths are.

(01:31:44):
But as long as we execute our roles, the team
team usually plays well off the back of it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
How have you assessed the way Tomighty's gone.

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
He's been unreal for us.

Speaker 24 (01:31:56):
He's he's just playing footy and that's what his strengths
is playing eyes up and he's got a got a
solid running game and and he usually picks the right
us when he goes to the line. So yeah, he's
getting us around the park nicely. And we've got some
got some outstanding middles and edge players that are that

(01:32:17):
are helping us get some momentum for him to play off.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Is he a good talk around there? Does he do?

Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
Of the two of you?

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Would he do more talking than you?

Speaker 6 (01:32:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:32:27):
I think as the as the halfback, hey, you take
on a lot more responsibility than the five eight. You
sort of stare the team around the park and in
the sixth row, I just whatever I see. If I
see a queue in front of me or opportunity, then
then I'm willing.

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
To take it.

Speaker 24 (01:32:44):
So I sort of try and take pressure off him
in that sense and do a bit of kicking as well.
So I think we can compliment each other well if
we just do our jobs and keep working at it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
There's six your favorite jersey?

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
Now do you think.

Speaker 6 (01:33:03):
I think it is?

Speaker 24 (01:33:04):
I like the six jersey rather than the forteen jersey. Yeah,
but like I know that we've got a we've got
a squad full of talented players, and coming back from
a year off, it's I'm just grateful to be back
in the seventeen and a team that made the top
four last year. So whatever I needed to do to

(01:33:24):
help the team win, that's that's what I'm going to
pour my energy into.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, that fourteen Jersey. I think a lot of people
like you there because of your versatility. Obviously you'd prefer
to be starting in a specialist position, but if called upon,
you're happy to You're happy to to play whatever role
Andrew Webster asks of you.

Speaker 6 (01:33:40):
Clearly.

Speaker 24 (01:33:42):
Yep, Yeah, No, I sat down with me at the
start of the year and pretty much came to agreement
that I'll play whatever roles best for the team, and
whether that's a six or forteen Jersey, I'm happy.

Speaker 6 (01:33:52):
To be in the seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
How was your year away from the game, how do
you how do you reflect on that?

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
Yeah, it was a it was a well needed break.

Speaker 24 (01:34:01):
The club wasn't doing too well when when I left,
and they sort of turned it turned it around when
when web came to the club. So yeah, physically and mentally,
I needed it, and yeah, I'm glad I made that
decision back then and I'm happy to be a back
playing now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
I remember hearing some media at the time when you
were talking about your decision to take the break away
and you weren't Well what you said was you weren't
sure whether you were coming back or not. But were
you always? Was it always the plan to come back? Whenever?
That was whenever?

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
That Nah, Actually I wasn't sure.

Speaker 24 (01:34:36):
And then yeah, halfway through the year, I decided I
want to to see out and for form my potential
as a rugby league player while I can, and I'm
doing that now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
So yep, fans are wrapped. Have you back all right? Bulldogs? Yeah,
Bulldogs this weekend, first time you played them. I think
this season, how do you reckon you match up against
the Bulldogs.

Speaker 6 (01:34:57):
They're firing at the moment, the Bulldogs. I saw. They
haven't lost the game at home.

Speaker 24 (01:35:02):
So yeah, we're looking to start fast like we did
last week and focus on what's going to help us
win this game. And yeah, hopefully we can start fast
and the place of presciure to them.

Speaker 26 (01:35:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Terrific performance last week against the Broncos. Looking forward to
seeing what happens against the Bulldog. Chanelle, thanks for taking
the tyre for a chat mate, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
Thanks Jason, thank care mate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
You take care to Shanelle Harris to Vita the ahead
of the Warriors game against the Bulldogs five o'clock this afternoon.
This one's at a core stadium, I think a Core
stadium in Sydney. As I say five o'clock. Then the
Warriors have the buy then away to the Raiders on
Friday July nineteen. Next home game against the West Tigers
on Friday July twenty six. In terms of this round

(01:35:48):
of the NRAL Round eighteen, so far we've had the
Rabbitos bet in the Eels Citty tow sixteen, the Titans
getting up against the Sharks last night twenty points to sixteen.
That would have surprised a few people in Panthers Broncos
as you heard in case you missed it, Panther's winning
fourteen to six. After the Bulldog's Warriors, it's the Tigers
against them at seven thirty tonight, Cowboys Sea Eagles at

(01:36:09):
nine thirty five, and then tomorrow Roosters Dragons at four
and Raiders' nights to round things off at five past six.
Off the text line from Richard. This is why England
will win tonight, says Richard. Goodness me, Richard, I'll have
to read this out. All Blacks historically poor in game
one at home and historically vulnerable in Dunedin. Five hugely

(01:36:29):
influential players not there, Retallic White, lock Smith mooing at Jordan,
Benefittor and t Mac haven't really performed at test level yet.
England are a team on the rise. England set peace
will be solid, best English back row for decades, genuine
attacking threat nine through fifteen could just squeeze out a

(01:36:50):
twenty three to nineteen win. Richard, I take on board
what you're saying. I don't think I agree with you.
I think it's going to be an all Blacks win.
But good to have various viewpoints represented on the show
this afternoon. Your thoughts will welcome all of them. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on the phone, nine

(01:37:10):
two ninety two on text. When we come back, though,
we're going to chat to Kei. We sprinter Danielle Chison.
She is the world champion in the two hundred meter
T thirty six and is off to her second Paralympic
Games in Paris later in the year. We're gonna find
out a bit about her qualification and her hopes for
Paris when we come back Daniel Chison on Weekend Sport

(01:37:32):
right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Live from Dunedin's Forsyth Bar Stadium on your home of
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Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Two twenty four on News Talks edb keew We sprinter
Danielle Chison has been selected for the upcoming Paralympic Games
in Paris. Now this is not a surprise. She is
the reigning power World two hundred meter T thirty six champion,
setting a world record of twenty seven point four seven
seconds to claim that gold medal in Kobe in May.

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She also claimed one hundred meter T thirty six silver
in Kobe. Daniel Agison attended the last Paralympics in Tokyo,
where she won silver in the women's two hundred meter
T thirty six and bronze in the women's one hundred
meter T thirty six. Danielle Agison is with US congratulations
on the confirmation of your place in the Paralympic team

(01:38:31):
for Paris. Danielle, how long would you say this has
been a goal of yours.

Speaker 26 (01:38:37):
Since Tokyo. It's definitely been a goal just to it's
been in my sights and for the last three years
we've we've been targeting every years we push ourselves to
do and yeah, so we're excited to get over there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
How strange an event was Tokyo. We were in COVID times.
Of course it wasn't It wasn't normal. How do you
reflect on it?

Speaker 26 (01:39:04):
Yeah, definitely it was a different experience, especially with the
COVID situation with no spectators, being quite isolated and having
to follow all the COVID rules in terms of sanitation, masks,
s wearing as well as I was quite young back
then when I went to Tokyo Paralympic Games. So it's

(01:39:25):
a very different experience and I'm looking forward to seeing
what this Parallempic game brings.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
I bet, I bet. Well, it's been a really, really
impressive recent few months for you. Can I take you
back to Kobe in May where you won gold at
the World Champs a world record time twenty seven for seven.
How do you remember that day.

Speaker 16 (01:39:48):
It was.

Speaker 26 (01:39:49):
Yeah, it's still so mind blind the results that I
got because it had been such as stressful a few
months leading up in terms of the classification. I was
up for the view of classification, which was the purpose
of me going to real Champs, and so I had
that looming over me. And so to get confirmed T

(01:40:11):
thirty six as a classificasion, I was just really wanting
to go out the end the two hundred and have fun.
I'd gone over and I've achieved for any chreage, which
was the tee thirty six, and so yeah, it was
just so mind blowing. I was just so focused on
myself and to cross that line and just bease. I

(01:40:32):
was just in disbelief that I had run that fast
and got that up time, and yeah, it was just incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
I just I want to come back to that race.
But can you talk to us about the classification process
and the stress that it caused you Your T thirty six,
as I understand it, you could have been reclassified as
T thirty eight. Can you just tell us the ins
and outs of that.

Speaker 6 (01:40:57):
Yes.

Speaker 26 (01:40:57):
Yeah, So, as a per athlete, we go through the
classifications and we often put up for review of classification,
which is for me a timeline of like spump six
months to a four years kind of thing, because I'm
have silver Poesy. Our disability changes so much that I

(01:41:19):
was put on six months of you eighteen months ago.
So then I had to get reclassified at World Championships
last year in Paris, and then they put me on
another six months review, so then I had to get
it done again at this World Championships and that was
just to be reclassified three times within eighteen months. It's

(01:41:44):
just so unusual and it definitely put a lot of
stress because it was like, well, they're really unsure if
they're putting me on that much reviews.

Speaker 20 (01:41:54):
So there was a lot of.

Speaker 26 (01:41:56):
I guess a little bit of like am I going
to be changed to teethdy eight? Because if I was
changed to te thro they eight, it's a whole different
ball game in terms of events and times and qualifications.
So yeah, it was just it was a lot fighting
on World Championships this year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Why do they have the reclassification process, Danielle. Surely if
you're T thirty six, you're always T thirty six, aren't you?

Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
Or not.

Speaker 26 (01:42:24):
Not necessarily just because yeah, it can Honestly, my disability
can change from day to day as so it just
depends on the day how my silks is going to behave,
I guess, and so sometimes they might see me present
as very normal. Some days I can present very sil

(01:42:45):
forsy like, and so it can just depend on what
they see and what they pick up that. Yeah, that's
the end result.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Really, if they had reclassified you to T thirty eight,
what would have been the repercussions of that?

Speaker 26 (01:43:00):
The first one being my event? I TTY eight only
have one hundred, four hundred and long jump in terms
of like that I would be interested in, So they
wouldn't have my favorite event, which is two hundred, and
I'm not trained for four hundred. I would never do
four hundred as the worst of you ever and I

(01:43:24):
haven't trained for long jump, and so yeah, and the
events will change. And then they also run a lot
faster than TEE three sixes, so I would need to
be running a lot faster to meet the qualification times
as well.

Speaker 12 (01:43:38):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
I'm glad it's all worked out. Okay, back to the
two hundred twenty seven four seven, you said that you
couldn't believe that time, how fast you reckon you can
now run. Have you reset your aspirations and your goals
in terms of how fast you can run two hundred?

Speaker 26 (01:43:55):
No, I definitely think I still have more in me
and I'm still, yeah, really excited to see what I
can do at the Paralympics. I definitely think there is
no limit to what I'm wanting to put down like
a figure and literally just like whatever will happen will happen. Yeah,
I'm just really excited to see the time that I

(01:44:16):
actually do produce.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Do you give equal focus to the one hundred meters?

Speaker 26 (01:44:21):
Yes, Yeah, I'm equally focused on both of them, and
I'm probably a little bit more actually on the one
hundred specifically because the two hundred I feel a bit
more confident that I know exactly what I need to do.
I also have a bit more time on the two
hundred to fix up any mistakes that I might necessarily
make in the block starts or et cetera. Whereas the

(01:44:43):
one hundred is literally you don't have that much time
to do anything. It's a lot of it's do the
short race and you've got to get everything perfect.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
To run it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
So is the one hundred meter two hundred meters double
hear what we're after here, is that your your goal
to win them both?

Speaker 26 (01:45:02):
Yes, I would really like to do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
That will be a silly question, isn't it. I mean
the two hundredise you say is one you've been so
successful and where of the whare of the improvements or
what's been behind the phenomenal, phenomenal improvements in your times
in the last twelve months, because as I understand it,
over the New Zealand summer you were just setting PB
after PB.

Speaker 26 (01:45:25):
Yeah, it's definitely a lot of factors. I think it
was last year I specifically had a lot lot to
afflict on and I found that I was hitting a
plateau in terms of my performances. I wasn't really happy
with just having the same performance. I really wanted to

(01:45:46):
make another improvement, and so we reached out to a
few different people to get their eyes on point where
they think that I can prove. I also think cert
other than technical, I also think it's been a massive
mental game as well. I really pushed myself this year

(01:46:06):
to put myself in uncomfortable situations or outside of my
comfort zone, and especially in the racing situation, because that's
obviously what I need to do is practice racing, and
so during the New Zealand season, I would put myself
in my groups of girls that are faster than me
to really practice the environment of.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Racing, understanding we should do the four hundred that'll make
you uncomfortable.

Speaker 26 (01:46:33):
Oh no way that I would literally die.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Oh well, so what does what does the next couple
of months as you put your final touches on your
preparation for the Paralympics look like? What have you got
coming up?

Speaker 26 (01:46:49):
I've got about months still here in Hamilton home, where
I'm just gonna be working with my coaches and we're
going to be making some fine tuning some technical things,
and then I'm going to head over to Brussels and
Belgium and I will do a few competitions over the
year as well as climatized for the heat because it

(01:47:10):
is really cold here in Hamilton. It's ridiculous, So I'm
really looking forward.

Speaker 6 (01:47:15):
To get into the heat.

Speaker 26 (01:47:16):
And then yeah, I head into pre camp with ETHNICI zigned,
and then into the village.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
You know, are you able to have friends family with
you this time? Because I know in Tokyo rather you know, spectators,
there were no spectators So are you going to have
a support crew this time.

Speaker 26 (01:47:31):
Yes, I've got a big support team of nine people
coming to the Paralympic Games. So it's really exciting to
have actually my family supporting me and the crowds and
watching me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Fantastic, Daniel, terrific stuff A What a year or so
you've had and I know there's more to come. We
can't wait to see how you go in the one
hundred and the two hundred meters in the upcoming Paralympic
Games in Paris. Thanks so much for taking the time
for a chat.

Speaker 26 (01:47:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Daniel Hson there Paralympic sprinter. Yeah, what a delight to
chat to her. Twenty seven four to seven world record
she set to claim that gold medal in Kobe in May. Yeah,
going from strength to strength and running both the one
hundred and two hundred meters at the Paralympics in Paris.
Lookout for that name, Danielle Hison. What are we time wise?

(01:48:22):
Twenty five to three on tears, Come on by any
you're talking David and Goliath. How about giving Lulu Soun
a good plug? Last sixteen and a Tennis Grand Slam?
Not many care We have been to such great heights
and a truly global pro sport.

Speaker 6 (01:48:36):
Go Lulu.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
I totally agree, Grant I do. I totally agree. We
haven't had the opportunity times a bit of a funny
one with winmwared in the middle of the night over
there at the moment, but we will do our best
to well, either chat to Lulu once she's knocked out.
They're bit harder to get to once they're while they're playing,
but yeah, we'd love to have a chat to her,
or we'll certainly follow her progress after she's won the tournament. Andy,

(01:49:01):
we did not know that. We're not expecting her to
get knocked out, are we.

Speaker 14 (01:49:05):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
The funny thing about the women's game is that anything
feels possible. It's not as though there's a Novak Djokovic
absolutely monstering everybody in sight. Not that he's necessarily doing
that at this time of his career either, but you
know what I mean. In the women's game, the seeding
seem almost incidental, sometimes to me, awfully arbitrary sometimes as well,
as you see so many more unseeded players often then

(01:49:29):
seeded players when it comes to sort of the quarter
final stages onwards, when we're we're up to now. So yeah,
absolutely no, come on, and don't think that we're not
behind her, because absolutely we are. She's playing Emma Rudder
Khanu in the next round and so again like Emma
run Acan, who's a bit of a darling, isn't she
of the tennis world? So there will be lots of

(01:49:51):
eyeballs on that particular game. So for Lulusun so what
I'm just trying to do the sum set. If she
wins that, she goes into the quarter finals, the quarter
finals at Wimbledon. So yeah, no, very very happy grant
to give her a plug and not just to play,
but to say, hey, here's something pretty special. Let's hope
it continues when she takes to the court at Wimbledon.

(01:50:14):
Think early hours of tomorrow morning's her game. Yes, so
this time tomorrow we'll be able to chat about that.
We're come to your live from Test City, Dunedin. I'm
at Forsyth Bar Stadium at the moment and the good
thing about being here in the afternoon, or one of
the good things is he yet to see them do
all the rehearsals. So you know, on a rugby test,
there's you know on ground what they call activations competitions.

(01:50:37):
They're testing out the big screen. Sometimes we get the
timing right and we get the national anthem rehearsal. I
know we heard that a couple of times last year
when we did the shows from test venues. However, they
haven't rolled out the national anthem singers just yet. At
the moment, they're going through the teams on the big screen,
just making sure they're all in the right order and

(01:50:57):
that the numbers are right and the images are right
and all that sort of thing. So yeah, that's the
sort of behind the scenes of what's going on here
at Forsyth Bastard him at the moment, twenty two away
from three when we come back a bit a nostalgia
for you, but Nostealgia brought into the present day. Sports Cafe,
the icon of New Zealand sports television in the nineties

(01:51:21):
and early two thousands, is making a return via an
all new podcast, with the familiar faces and voices from
Sports Cafe returning. Rick Salitso one of them. He's going
to join us for a chat right after this.

Speaker 27 (01:51:34):
On weekend, Sport's cutting down to the first Bold Blacks
test of twenty twenty four on your home of Sports
Weekend Sport Live from Dunedin's Full Side Bar Stadium with Jason.

Speaker 16 (01:51:45):
Vine and GJ. Gunn Homes, New Zealand's most trusted home
builder News talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Be nineteen away from three. Just up on the big
screen at the moment they're going through the All Blacks
team Asoffo Alma. Number sixteen is up on the screen
at the moment, Offah to Uma fussy number seventeen. I
could get a Joboyler finally spoilers, mate, I don't think
the team's a surprise number eighteen, Fletcher Nule up on

(01:52:12):
the screen. Yeah, it's that's two poor they e. Now
are you as I your bit to become the new
ground announcer as well? Yeah, look, I'm quite happy to
put my hand up for that job. Luke Jacobson number twenty.
Let's move on, Let's move on. Sports Cafe an icon
of New Zealand sports television and became a household name

(01:52:35):
in the nineties and early two thousands. It has made
a triumphant return whether it's all new podcast rendition on
the iHeartRadio podcast network. The podcast is called Sports Cafe Ish.
New episodes available every Wednesday. It's hosted by three of
the original crew, former All Black and Warriors player Mark Ellis,
comedian Lee Hart, and journalist, TV presenter and producer Rick Salito,

(01:53:00):
who joins us. Now, Rick, I've heard you say in
the past that this sports cafe when you were doing it,
was one of the most stress small things have ever
done in your life. So how much did they have
to pay you to put yourself through this?

Speaker 8 (01:53:10):
Again, Let's just clarify one thing. At at the start,
Mark doesn't get top billing, so you know, we don't
start with Mark Ellis, you know. No, it was Look,
it was I bumped into Mecca when we were at
the World Cup in France, and I'd been living in
the US for a few years and I hadn't seen

(01:53:31):
him for ages, and I just really enjoyed catching up.
And then when I came back to New Zealand and
caught up with Lee Hart, and I just reminded myself
of just how much money is and how what a
genius he is, And so I thought, why don't we
just do something together, you know. And the thing I
love about it is, you know, with this new sort

(01:53:52):
of you know, podcast and YouTube and social media, and
all these things is you can go direct to your audience,
and that's really exciting for a creator. So so the
opportunity to sort of work in those new mediums with
people that you really enjoy working with. I mean, it
was just a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
So what can we expect when we listened to episodes
of Sports Cafe Ish.

Speaker 8 (01:54:16):
Oka't No, It's like, put it this way, what you
can expect is the opposite to what I prepare.

Speaker 6 (01:54:24):
Yep, that's probably it.

Speaker 20 (01:54:26):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
I think that was the secret of the show, or
one of the secrets of the show when it was
on television, was that you never really knew, did you,
And you got the feeling as a viewer that you
never really knew either.

Speaker 8 (01:54:38):
No, no, no, Like I knew what it was when
I started out. You know, he's a paper and I
was like, this is what the structure of the show is.
And then Mark would do everything he could do to
ruin that and Lee would you know. I used to
say to Lee when we were going setting him out
to do a story, I'd asked him to do something
and he'd come back with the opposite. So then I

(01:54:59):
would tell him the opposite of what I wanted hoping
that I'd get what I wanted, and that worked for
about two weeks, and then he worked that out, and
then it got so confusing. I couldn't work out whether
I was telling him the opposite or I was telling
them the real thing, because I couldn't work out what
stage we're at. But yeah, I mean, it's just you know,
if you want to know the motivations for doing it,

(01:55:21):
it's just because I want to have some fun and
they want to have fun too. There's nothing deeper than that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
No, I mean, in many ways, that's that's probably the
most pure reason for doing anything.

Speaker 6 (01:55:35):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
It's not as though you're going to make you a
gazillion dollars out of it, probably, although you might get
some sponsors on board, I presume, and make a bit
of coin. But yeah, and again, that was what it
always seemed like watching it on TV back in the day.
Was it just a bunch of people around having fun
with one another and bringing the audience along for the ride.
So I get the feeling it will translate perfectly into
the podcast realm.

Speaker 8 (01:55:57):
Yeah, let me give you a tip. The way to
make money is not by making TV shows and podcasts.
It's making its selling orange juice and potato chips. Yes,
that's that's where.

Speaker 21 (01:56:07):
The money is.

Speaker 8 (01:56:10):
That that's the only the whole thing is. You know,
here I am sort of, you know, fifteen twenty years
ago to the boss, sort of starting them out. Now
they sort of doing me a favor in between, you know,
their orange juice millions and their potato chip empires.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Do you think people who never saw Sports Cafe on
TV will get something out of this podcast too?

Speaker 5 (01:56:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:56:31):
I think so. It's been. That's been really like I've
had a lot of feedback obviously, And the beautiful thing
about social and stuff is people tell you what they think,
and sometimes they don't think when they tell you. But
what's really cool about it is that there are lots
of people in there in the early twenties are getting

(01:56:52):
into it. It's funny because I hear the word political
correctness thrown around all the time, and you know, you
guys are so anti PC and stuff like that, and
it's like not really like we're just as you know,
we're just normal. We're just bathing like we normally do,
and like we're just not complaining about stuff, so you know,

(01:57:16):
we're just we're just focused on having fun, and I
think that I think I think that younger demographic sort
of that works for them. But at the end of
the day, I make this for people that think they're
in their twenties, Like that's me, Like I've got three
skateboards in an Xbox, Like I still think I'm twenty three.
So and I know plenty of people like that, and

(01:57:38):
I think you're one of them. Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, So
it's a mindset. It's not an age.

Speaker 6 (01:57:45):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
I'm looking at the at the official release from this
from the podcast, and it says listeners can expect discussions
on current sporting issues and surprise guest appearances. So you've
got a few surprise guests jacked up?

Speaker 6 (01:57:59):
Have I me?

Speaker 8 (01:58:02):
So that's a surprise, the surprises.

Speaker 21 (01:58:04):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 8 (01:58:06):
So so that's good. No, Well, well, I mean hopefully
we'll catch up with with you know, everyone from the
from the old crew at some stage, like probably fifty
percent of my comments so far were is Lana, Yeah,
and we're chasing it. She's a lot returning my calls.

(01:58:28):
But yeah, I mean it's it's been good to catch
up with people and good too. Like this week's episode,
we caught up with Sam Kane, which was really cool.
Last week it was Shari Shara Kaka from The Blackman Sevens.
The great thing about technology now is, you know, it's
always been easy for radio. I mean I started out

(01:58:50):
on radio. It's always been easy for you to ring
ring someone up and record them and check them out.
But it's always been hard for TV to do that.
You know, in the old days, we used to have
sort of put up a satellite, you know. But now
with technology, people can be in their lounges and they
can be your guest and your show, so it makes
it a little bit easier than it used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Absolutely, look forward to new episodes every Wednesday. Hey Rick,
just well, I've got you. You had three years a
CEO of Rugby United New York. I just want to
get your assessment of where the game of rugby is
in the US right now.

Speaker 8 (01:59:24):
You know, the first thing I did was get rid
of United, so we changed it to Rugby New York
because you know, a nice soccer team. But yeah, it's
a fascinating it was. I really enjoyed myself in New York,
you know, running a professional rugby team, and we had
a great crew of people. We had Andy allis what's
suck in the hollow name of the Scudder, you know,

(01:59:47):
render they kind of Jason Emery, a lot of New
Zealand names with us. It's Americans, American rugby people. It's
like a band of courage for them to be a
rugby fan or and and they really are proud of it,
and they they give it so much love and attention,
and I I really enjoyed working with those people. The

(02:00:09):
game is growing all the time, and the competition MLR
is is you know, it's I don't know it's seventh
or eighth year, but it's it's just keeps learning and
evolving and moving in different places and different ways, and
you know, it's it's really exciting, and it's really exciting
for the game of rugby. I mean that was a

(02:00:31):
big part of the attraction for me was being at
the you know, in the in the world west, the
frontier of a new of the game, growing in new
places and and it's really exciting.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
Good stuff, good stuff. Well looking forward to hearing, as
I say, new episodes of Sports Cafe dropping every Wednesday
on Nightheart radio or wherever people get their podcast. I'll
give it the correct building now rix Elite so with
Lee Hart and Mark Ellis as well, and some surprise
guests actually.

Speaker 8 (02:01:00):
Didn't even give Mark Ellis a billing. Just say rix Alito,
Lee Hart.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
And others rix Elite so Lee hard enough on the
Sports Cafe Ish podcast.

Speaker 21 (02:01:08):
Great to chat Rick, Thanks bnnys rix.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
Ally so They're always good to get the chance to
catch up with him. Iconic Sports Cafe Sports Cafe Ish
just look for it on iHeartRadio or wherever you get
your podcasts from. Might be something to add to your
to your weekly listening. With new episodes every Wednesday nine
AWA from three News Talks.

Speaker 16 (02:01:29):
He'db the scoop from the.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Track, Field and the Court on your home of sort
weekends for it, Where's Jason Vine News.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Talks NB two point fifty four. That show has flown,
I must say, and hopefully we've got you through a
couple of hours as we head towards kickoff tonight in
the All Blacks England Test match here at Forsyth Bass Stadium,
five past seven. Our build up those starts at six,
so Andy and I are going to take a bit
of a break and then we'll be back at six
together to bring you the build up to tonight's test

(02:01:59):
match full live commentary here on news Talks. He'd be
built up from six kickoff at seven. Thanks indeed for
taking part in the show this afternoon. Heaps of calls,
heaps of texts, heaps of interaction. That's what we like.
We're back tomorrow to break it all down from midday tomorrow.
We'll just talk about what happens tonight, I think and
see where that takes us, and ordinarily it takes us
into all sorts of different places. Thanks to any McDonald

(02:02:21):
for producing this part of the Saturday program. What have
you chosen is the exit song today mate, before we go, Piney,
have you given a prediction yet for the night tonight's game? No,
I haven't. I'm going all blacks one to twelve. That
might not match up with my bullishness earlier, but yeah,
England are okay, I've got all blacks unders. What about you? Okay,
I'm going all blacks overs. I'm going like forty points

(02:02:41):
to five to the all blacks, so it's forty five.
Gild your unconverted. Try an unconverted try to England is
all they've got to show. They minutes, there'll be like
a line out drive, but they bring it into the
middle of the field and then it's under the post,
but they still somehow miss the conversion off the post.
So yeah, and they'll get like a bunch of yellow cards.

(02:03:02):
That's that's my prediction.

Speaker 16 (02:03:04):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
I've got you shape shifted Duchiese just to get the
typical all Blacks hype going on the first Test match
Day Saturday of the year. Love it, We'll see you tonight.
It's sex for build up to the teaset match.

Speaker 4 (02:03:45):
Dem Welcome to the Right.

Speaker 16 (02:04:18):
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