July 5, 2024 • 9 mins
Dunedin is hosting the first test of the Scott Robertson era as the All Blacks prepare to face England.
All Blacks and Otago legend Ben Smith joined Piney to discuss what we can expect from this new All Blacks team.
Smith told Piney that there’s a lot of hype around it being the first test match, a new sort of era.
“And then I suppose with it, like, everyone’s wondering, I suppose, the style of play and what’s gonna set this All Blacks team apart from the others?”
“It’s exciting.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
All Blacks England tonight seven oh five live here on
News Talks EDB. The most recent test between these two
was in November of twenty twenty two at Twickenham, and that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Is full time for You're Blacks from twenty five to
six up collapse, that's the only word for it, and
draw twenty five all at Twickenham. England barely fired a
shot in the first seventy minutes and then three tries
in the last ten earn them a draw at Twickenham
(00:49):
are scarcely believable. Last ten minutes sees the All Blacks
go from big winners to.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Finishing level.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And maybe that test best sums up this all Black
side of twenty twenty two. Some great moments, some teasful moments,
and they have a drawer to finish campaign twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
See that seems so long ago, doesn't it. November twenty
twenty two its Wick Umber twenty five all draw. Looking
at the All Black side that day and those who
will run out tonight from the starting fifteen Nathan Degrout,
Cody Taylor, Tyrell Lomax, same front row Scott Barrett, although
he was blindside that night. Dotton, Papaaliardi, Savia, Jordi Barrett,
Ricue Jowani and Mark Delea Boden Barrett started that test.
(01:38):
He's on the bench tonight. Of those who were on
the bench in twenty twenty two, t J. Petanata will
start tonight and Anton Lennott Brown is again among the
reserves for England. Maro Atoji and Marcus Smith started that game.
They'll start again tonight. Tom Curry started in twenty twenty two.
He's on the bench tonight. Jamie George on the bench
in twenty twenty two. He starts tonight as captain. Will
(02:00):
Stuart and Henry Slade also starting tonight. One of the
great All Blacks from these parts is Ben Smith, World
Cup winner in twenty fifteen eighty four test matches, seven
of those against England for six wins. He was in
the team and scored a try the last time England
played the All Blacks in a Test here at Forsyth
bar Stadium, a twenty eight twenty seven win for the
(02:21):
All Blacks in twenty fourteen. He is Rugby Royalty here
in Duneda. A proud ext All Black he joined us now,
Ben Smith, thanks for taking the time. First of all,
how are the All Blacks players do you think be
feeling It's match day ahead of their first test with
a new coaching group at the Helm, I'd say.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, obviously. First off, I'm Brett excited, like test is
are rolling around. I would have happen for this game.
So as far as a coaching group, not not much
as far as a playing group. But yeah, it's cool.
There's a lot of hyper around being the first test match,
a new sort of era. And then I suppose with it,
(03:01):
like everyone's wondering, I suppose the style of play and
what's going to set this All Black team apart from others. Yeah,
so it is exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well let's pick up on that. What style of play
do you expect from Razors or Blacks?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Well, the squad I've picked obviously, with Damien at ten,
he he sort of only knows one way and that's around.
Don't get me wrong, He's got a great kicking game,
but he's also electric with the way he can light
up a match. So I'm looking forward to watching him
tomorrow night. And yeah, I suppose, like any other game
(03:41):
of rugby, physicality will be a big one and the
selections with especially the loose trio loose Ford trio will
be interesting around. Yeah, the physicality that they bring with it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
How much do you think can be picked up from
a successful Crusaders side and then drop down across an
all Blacks framework? Do you think? In other words, Razor
will do a lot of what worked for him, But
the Crusaders, even off the feet Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, I think they know. Yeah. Well, obviously this is
me looking from the outside just like you are, But
I take it that they know what works with them.
So obviously there's a lot of people involved with that
setup that will will keep a core of the values
of how they enjoy their environment and how that sort
(04:30):
of spills onto the rugby field. I'm sure a lot
of that will stay the same around how they got
about it, with obviously a different flavor being the All Blacks,
and how you bring in legacy pieces around whether All
Blacks have gone or where they've been and where they
intend to go. So I'm pretty excited, just like yourself,
(04:50):
to see how this first test match plays out. The
style of play that they're going to adopt and Yeah,
I think everyone's sort of pretty excited to see them go.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
For some of these plays, the more experienced ones, they've
been under a coaching regime which has had a real
degree of consistency over the last decade or so. You know,
apart from Jason Ryan, this is an almost entirely new
coaching group. How would an experienced all black handle that?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I think from what I'm hearing the sound bites out
of the camp that they're giving leaning on people like Body,
Barrett and the likes to actually guide them a little
bit around that environment that they'll work alongside them to
set up. So that's sort of what I'm hearing that.
You know, when you hear the media and different people
(05:47):
asking them questions, I think they're really intent on showing that.
I hear care a lot around what they're saying, And
obviously part of that care is is the relationship with
the players and the established all blacks that have been
there for a while. Sounds like that's a big part
of it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What did you make of the selection of even Petifeta
at Fallback? I think a lot of people thought Body
might get that jersey first up.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, like he played really well and super Rugby, so
I'm not surprised to see him get a start. He
hasn't probably had as many opportunities the last year or two,
so I would say look into the future, he would
be someone that they'd want to get playing really good
test matches so that they can be Yeah, I suppose
(06:32):
the depth within the squad will be massive, so they'll
get him going, and obviously body's body who he'll slop
back in at some stage or off the bench in
the weekend.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yere England, how did you find I mean not that
there were that many, but how did you find test
matches against England? As an All Black.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Physical? They're always physical. I suppose the aerial part of
the game is something massive around how they pressure you
and how that part of the game. Yeah, they can
just squeeze you if you don't get it right. So
there'll be a big part of tomorrow night's game around
how they take care and diffuse a few of their
(07:10):
yeah white kicking game contestables. So yeah, I think that's
where they'll go to.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Do you think England will in any way feel like
the All Blacks are a bit vulnerable?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Sorry that the England will think that all blacks are vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, just a new coaching team, a lot of expectation,
a bit appreciate. Do you think England might sense an
opportunity here?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I look, they played really well against Japan, what was
it two weeks ago? So I think they'll take a
lot of confidence out of that. There was a game
only last year, was it where they sort of tipped
us up? Or it might have been a draw? Was
that too many headknocks?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Twenty five draw? A couple of years ago?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, a couple of years ago, Yes, right there, And
they I think they'll obviously backed themselves to come here
and win. And yeah, I yeah, I think that's everyone.
Everyone's away, but pause to see how this test match
plays out when there's not. Yeah, a whole lot of
(08:15):
previous experiences with how they're all blacks. You know, I've
played so as far as this new coaching group, So yeah,
I'm excited to see them go. And just to finish,
how do you I mean, you were in all black
for so long you've been been well, you haven't been
all black since what twenty nineteen?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
On a test match? Now? What do you just go
along and watch? You like a normal punter? How does
your How does your night play out?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, no, no, I'll just go along and watch it
like a normal punter. So yeah, no, we've got Colin
them a slade actually staying so head along with them
and Nan we'll go out for dinner before him, which
is which is nice, and then just hope for a
really good game of footy.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Really yeah, indeed, And you're enjoying your role with the
Highlanders that you're getting the chance to you're getting the
chance to take part in it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, no, it's been good. Yeah, there's Yeah, obviously it's
different to playing. The coaching is but a few more hours.
But I've and enjoy being involved in no difference to
being a player. And the fact that you get if
you get a one on the weekend, that's it's pretty
rewarding being part of that process.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, sounds like your guests are ready for your next
to your next assignment today, Ben, thanks for taking Thanks
for taking the time for a chet mate, let's sayf
it's an exciting game at full size, but really appreciate your.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Time Beauty too, Jason, thanks mate.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
No, thank you, Ben, Ben Smith. The good to have
colin Slaton Town as well for this one. Another former
All Black.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk said Be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
All Blacks England tonight seven oh five live here on
News Talks EDB. The most recent test between these two
was in November of twenty twenty two at Twickenham, and that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Is full time for You're Blacks from twenty five to
six up collapse, that's the only word for it, and
draw twenty five all at Twickenham. England barely fired a
shot in the first seventy minutes and then three tries
in the last ten earn them a draw at Twickenham
(00:49):
are scarcely believable. Last ten minutes sees the All Blacks
go from big winners to.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Finishing level.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And maybe that test best sums up this all Black
side of twenty twenty two. Some great moments, some teasful moments,
and they have a drawer to finish campaign twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
See that seems so long ago, doesn't it. November twenty
twenty two its Wick Umber twenty five all draw. Looking
at the All Black side that day and those who
will run out tonight from the starting fifteen Nathan Degrout,
Cody Taylor, Tyrell Lomax, same front row Scott Barrett, although
he was blindside that night. Dotton, Papaaliardi, Savia, Jordi Barrett,
Ricue Jowani and Mark Delea Boden Barrett started that test.
(01:38):
He's on the bench tonight. Of those who were on
the bench in twenty twenty two, t J. Petanata will
start tonight and Anton Lennott Brown is again among the
reserves for England. Maro Atoji and Marcus Smith started that game.
They'll start again tonight. Tom Curry started in twenty twenty two.
He's on the bench tonight. Jamie George on the bench
in twenty twenty two. He starts tonight as captain. Will
(02:00):
Stuart and Henry Slade also starting tonight. One of the
great All Blacks from these parts is Ben Smith, World
Cup winner in twenty fifteen eighty four test matches, seven
of those against England for six wins. He was in
the team and scored a try the last time England
played the All Blacks in a Test here at Forsyth
bar Stadium, a twenty eight twenty seven win for the
(02:21):
All Blacks in twenty fourteen. He is Rugby Royalty here
in Duneda. A proud ext All Black he joined us now,
Ben Smith, thanks for taking the time. First of all,
how are the All Blacks players do you think be
feeling It's match day ahead of their first test with
a new coaching group at the Helm, I'd say.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, obviously. First off, I'm Brett excited, like test is
are rolling around. I would have happen for this game.
So as far as a coaching group, not not much
as far as a playing group. But yeah, it's cool.
There's a lot of hyper around being the first test match,
a new sort of era. And then I suppose with it,
(03:01):
like everyone's wondering, I suppose the style of play and
what's going to set this All Black team apart from others. Yeah,
so it is exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well let's pick up on that. What style of play
do you expect from Razors or Blacks?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Well, the squad I've picked obviously, with Damien at ten,
he he sort of only knows one way and that's around.
Don't get me wrong, He's got a great kicking game,
but he's also electric with the way he can light
up a match. So I'm looking forward to watching him
tomorrow night. And yeah, I suppose, like any other game
(03:41):
of rugby, physicality will be a big one and the
selections with especially the loose trio loose Ford trio will
be interesting around. Yeah, the physicality that they bring with it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
How much do you think can be picked up from
a successful Crusaders side and then drop down across an
all Blacks framework? Do you think? In other words, Razor
will do a lot of what worked for him, But
the Crusaders, even off the feet Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, I think they know. Yeah. Well, obviously this is
me looking from the outside just like you are, But
I take it that they know what works with them.
So obviously there's a lot of people involved with that
setup that will will keep a core of the values
of how they enjoy their environment and how that sort
(04:30):
of spills onto the rugby field. I'm sure a lot
of that will stay the same around how they got
about it, with obviously a different flavor being the All Blacks,
and how you bring in legacy pieces around whether All
Blacks have gone or where they've been and where they
intend to go. So I'm pretty excited, just like yourself,
(04:50):
to see how this first test match plays out. The
style of play that they're going to adopt and Yeah,
I think everyone's sort of pretty excited to see them go.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
For some of these plays, the more experienced ones, they've
been under a coaching regime which has had a real
degree of consistency over the last decade or so. You know,
apart from Jason Ryan, this is an almost entirely new
coaching group. How would an experienced all black handle that?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I think from what I'm hearing the sound bites out
of the camp that they're giving leaning on people like Body,
Barrett and the likes to actually guide them a little
bit around that environment that they'll work alongside them to
set up. So that's sort of what I'm hearing that.
You know, when you hear the media and different people
(05:47):
asking them questions, I think they're really intent on showing that.
I hear care a lot around what they're saying, And
obviously part of that care is is the relationship with
the players and the established all blacks that have been
there for a while. Sounds like that's a big part
of it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What did you make of the selection of even Petifeta
at Fallback? I think a lot of people thought Body
might get that jersey first up.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, like he played really well and super Rugby, so
I'm not surprised to see him get a start. He
hasn't probably had as many opportunities the last year or two,
so I would say look into the future, he would
be someone that they'd want to get playing really good
test matches so that they can be Yeah, I suppose
(06:32):
the depth within the squad will be massive, so they'll
get him going, and obviously body's body who he'll slop
back in at some stage or off the bench in
the weekend.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yere England, how did you find I mean not that
there were that many, but how did you find test
matches against England? As an All Black.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Physical? They're always physical. I suppose the aerial part of
the game is something massive around how they pressure you
and how that part of the game. Yeah, they can
just squeeze you if you don't get it right. So
there'll be a big part of tomorrow night's game around
how they take care and diffuse a few of their
(07:10):
yeah white kicking game contestables. So yeah, I think that's
where they'll go to.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Do you think England will in any way feel like
the All Blacks are a bit vulnerable?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Sorry that the England will think that all blacks are vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, just a new coaching team, a lot of expectation,
a bit appreciate. Do you think England might sense an
opportunity here?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I look, they played really well against Japan, what was
it two weeks ago? So I think they'll take a
lot of confidence out of that. There was a game
only last year, was it where they sort of tipped
us up? Or it might have been a draw? Was
that too many headknocks?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Twenty five draw? A couple of years ago?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, a couple of years ago, Yes, right there, And
they I think they'll obviously backed themselves to come here
and win. And yeah, I yeah, I think that's everyone.
Everyone's away, but pause to see how this test match
plays out when there's not. Yeah, a whole lot of
(08:15):
previous experiences with how they're all blacks. You know, I've
played so as far as this new coaching group, So yeah,
I'm excited to see them go. And just to finish,
how do you I mean, you were in all black
for so long you've been been well, you haven't been
all black since what twenty nineteen?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
On a test match? Now? What do you just go
along and watch? You like a normal punter? How does
your How does your night play out?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, no, no, I'll just go along and watch it
like a normal punter. So yeah, no, we've got Colin
them a slade actually staying so head along with them
and Nan we'll go out for dinner before him, which
is which is nice, and then just hope for a
really good game of footy.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Really yeah, indeed, And you're enjoying your role with the
Highlanders that you're getting the chance to you're getting the
chance to take part in it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, no, it's been good. Yeah, there's Yeah, obviously it's
different to playing. The coaching is but a few more hours.
But I've and enjoy being involved in no difference to
being a player. And the fact that you get if
you get a one on the weekend, that's it's pretty
rewarding being part of that process.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, sounds like your guests are ready for your next
to your next assignment today, Ben, thanks for taking Thanks
for taking the time for a chet mate, let's sayf
it's an exciting game at full size, but really appreciate your.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Time Beauty too, Jason, thanks mate.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
No, thank you, Ben, Ben Smith. The good to have
colin Slaton Town as well for this one. Another former
All Black.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk said Be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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