Full Show Podcast: 7 July 2024

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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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the running track, passing away in twenty twenty two. I'm
Jason Pine Show producer and A McDonald. We're here till
three and coming to you from duneed In this afternoon,
the day after the first All Blacks Test of twenty
twenty four New Zealand sixteen England fifteen Raisers regime off
to a winning star ptee. There was some nervous moments

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and water test match. That is the thing that stood
out most for me first and foremost. This was a
genuine contest between two rugby heavyweight who just went at
each other for large parts of the game, especially in
the second half, and were locked in an absolute arm wrestle.
Going to dedicate a big part of the show today
to reviewing the rugby your views will form the base

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of it wire, joined shortly by former All Blacks number
eight Paul Miller. New Zealand Herald rugby writer Liam Napier
with his analysis as well. Will also here some of
the postmatch thoughts of Scott Robertson and Damien McKenzie, who
was at the center of probably the biggest talking point
in last night's game, timed out when taking a shotted

(01:54):
goal late in the game, time expired on the shot
clock the sixty seconds that you're allowed to take the kick,
not that anybody in the ground, including Damien McKenzie himself,
could see the timer counting down because it wasn't no time,
no timer, no shot clock on the big screen. Surely
that has to change your views on that and anything

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else you want to chat about rugby wise, And they
came out of last night happy to open the lines
right across the afternoon for that other matters around today
though our Road to Paris feature continues, the Paris Olympics
rarely are looming large. Now we're joined by Athens gold
medalist in the triathlon in two thousand and four, Hamish
Carter just after two o'clock. You might remember that race,

(02:36):
Bevan Dockerty and Hamish Carter going stride for stride right
near the end, Carter eventually winning gold and Bevan Dougherty
picking up the silver, and the Melbourne Cup is on
a tour of New Zealand. Keeper of the Cup. Joe
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When that's first test of the year, Penally.

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Speaker 5 (04:06):
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Speaker 2 (04:07):
All Black sixteen England fifteen. That was Elliot Smith on
the call last night. Alongside him in the commentary box
was former All Blacks number eight Paul Miller providing expert analysis.
He joins us now having given it the overnight test, Paul,
good to chat to you. What did you make in
general terms of the All Blacks first outing of the year.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
Well, some might.

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Suggest there was a bit of bit of rustiness, especially
at the start. There's a bit of you know, it
took a while for the All Blecks sort of to connect,
but one thing was definitely apparent, and that was both
the physical attributes from both sides. I think also England,
I think they they proved to be more physically dominant
around that kind of rock area. All Blacks were guilty

(04:49):
of not securing and not protecting the ruck sort of
ball for TJ Pirrinara initially until sort of Philly Christy
got on the unfortunate injury there to TJ. But they'll
need to tidy up those aspects around there. The direction
of both Damien McKenzie and I think Stempire Fair had
a good hit out. You know, some might say his

(05:09):
debatable call it fallback, but look, everyone sort of took
their chances. I think the biggest the one of the
other biggest aspects was their lineouts. They sort of they
sort of fell off their midway through that second half,
especially when more come on there too. So they'll be
looking to tide up those aspects definitely for that second test.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Just on the physicality that England brought, that wouldn't have
been any surprise to the All Blacks. They almost they
came as advertised, didn't they.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
Yeah, it's funny how the sort of rugby is kind
of evolved. Initially it was it was a lot of kicking,
you know, English style kicking first five halfbacks, you know,
kicking for that territory game. But it's sort of gone
back to the bigger, powerful, dominant, physical ball runners and
particularly on the defense as well, like England were very

(05:57):
very clinical, very a student tackling low and it's just
ensuring that they dominated that collision type area. So all
globally teams are now sort of going back to that physical,
the big bull running guys now, so that's sort of apparent.
You need to get that ascendency of that game line,
the advantage line to you know, get yourself into that game,

(06:20):
and that's more apparent now nowadays.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Who's got out for you in a black jersey?

Speaker 7 (06:27):
I had had the bag a while to think, but
I think the work that Dalton Populi did and until
here they're the leadership of of Scott Barrett, they do
go through a power of work. It's it's quite unseen
to the to the public eye, but you know, you're
sort of taken account like they do a lot of
work around those rucks, rocky areas, So from my mind
they proved that sort of plog in the engine room.

(06:50):
And also Dordy Barrett, like he's he was immense He's
just grown into that second five position there and just
just just as natural ability to you read that game,
his kicking ability as well. But mind you had a
good director inside and with Damian McKay, so for in
my mind it was probably those three players.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, what did you make of I'm going to talk
about the timing out of the kick late in the
game in the moment, but Damien McKenzie's overall performance at
first fight.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
Well, he kind of he kind of shifted well with
Stephen pairfeeda there at fallback, so at times you know
they would sort of chop and change and DAMEI mckensie
is excellent and they they utilize them very well, and
especially on that counter attack, so every time there was
a defensive play from the All Blacks, Damian McKenzie got
himself into that ideal position. So his reading of the

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game is exceptional, so he was able to get himself
back and obviously the more space and the more awareness
he has is more dangerous he is with that ball
in hand, and you know you need Dame McKenzie ball
and handed at of space and obviously that frees up
his wingers as well. Mind you, Mark Dalaire and Sevy
Reese got into a power of where it right by

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the Rouxia. But yeah, Dame McKenzie, from my mind, you know,
very utilized in that first five position, but also you know,
was able to step up in that defensive quality as well.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
So late in the game he had the chance to
kick a penalty which would have taken the All Blacks
out to a four point lead. He was timed out.
Sixty seconds had elapsed between when the All Blacks indicated
they were taking the shot and when Damien Well would
have kicked the ball. What did you make of a
pall Well.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
In the commentary box, was Elliott and yourself. Obviously we
did hear that twenty second call by the referee, and
he was going through his pre kicking routine where he
looks up to the post, looks down, looks up again,
has a smile, and by that time, you know that
was probably twenty seconds had passed. So yet granted, every

(08:47):
player knows that the letter of the law now, so
it's just probably up to him now to kind of
find a new sort of technical, new style to go.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
Through with it.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
But the other aspect we talked about Piney was maybe
get the shot clock going on on the old school
board just so the crowd can get into it as well.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Absolutely one hundred percent agree with that without question. Yeah,
And I mean Scott Robertson even said afterwards he's going
to get Mark Robinson on for next week's the same
thing doesn't happen again. Just on on Razor. Could you
see his fingerprints on this game and his first matches
All Blacks head coach?

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Well habit.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
You know, he's got that winning habit and the All
Blacks have sort of grown that or you know that's
part of their DNA, that that winning habit. If not,
you know, they performed pretty pretty well most most games.
So you know, his his take on that game or
his footprint is left with the ability to utilize an

(09:45):
expensive contact with the backs that they have, but also
making sure that work's done up front. Now he'll be
looking at that game intensely, and I would say they
need to tidy up a few aspects, particularly at the
start around that rocky area as I said before, But
like they've always, they're going to breed confidence, and I
think he's a coach that will just say have a crack,

(10:06):
give it, give it a good go, but at times
maybe it was overused at times, particularly around that halfway
there were trying about six or seven phases they weren't
getting any with so that resort back to that we
kicked through. So but you know, it's it's it's that's
his style, I think, and it's it's allowing the players
to sort of express themselves. So that's kind of what

(10:26):
his nature is as a coach.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Do you think this was an opportunity lost for England
or do you think it'll motivate them to go to
Eden Park and and break what is a long standing
you know, fortress for all Blacks rugby in terms of
test matches there or do you think last night was
their chance to beat the All Blacks.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Well, every every chance that let England play All Blacks
is always a chance for them to beat.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
The All Blacks, but they all go away ruin.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
I think they completely dominated the All Blacks around that,
you know, the collision type area, so that they'll be
taking confidence from their aspect and taking into Eden Park.
But you're right that Eden Park is a fortress and
not many international teams come away with a win from there,
so they probably will be ruined. The probably missed opportunities,
maybe a couple of miss penalty kicks there by Marcus

(11:12):
Smith as well, you know, to keep that momentum going.
But look, they'll they'll be using that confidence and they'll
be they'll be coming to obviously not just play well,
but winning the next Test match against the All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
And just you talked about you've talked a couple of
times about England dominating those collision areas. How how do
you address that if you're the All Blacks coaching team.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
I think it's their line speed England. We're getting off
the line very, very fast, more so than the All
Black center was. It was kind of you know, you
get a good view of where we were in the
commentary box and you could just see at times England
when we're more ruthless, they're more urgent just to get
off that line, and that sort of put that All
Blacks under pressure, especially those first three or four phases.

(11:55):
And they were trying to do the back door passes
as well, which England read that beautifully. They would think
it was this second five centers would just come up
and just nullify that attacking option. A couple of times
they tried the overpasses which did work and they are
were to get space on the outside. However, they're just
mean to be mindful of that line speed from England.
So in turn All Blacks need to sort of create

(12:17):
their urgency as well. And I'd like to see them
chopped tackle a bit more because at times we're probably
going a bit too high, which we've gained that England
and mentum of their advantage line.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yep, plenty of food for thought for the All Blacks
coaches in the week head great stuff. Paul enjoyed being
part of the commentary team with you last night. Thanks
for joining us today as well.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Nah, it was a pleasure and a privilege to piney.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, thank you mate. Paul Miller there, former All Blacks
number eight and expert analyst on News Talks RB's commentaries
here in Dunedin. You've heard his thoughts. Your chance to
react to what you heard there or what you saw
last night. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, as always
is the number pick up on anything you like, find
a play you want to give a rap to simply
give us an overall assessment of the first Test of

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twenty twenty four. The first test of Razors. Rain lines
are open for your thoughts and analysis. I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. As I said that the of the
show a real test match. I went home afterwards and
watched the Wallabies play Wales last night and the intensity
of the skill level, the ferocity of the contest was
nowhere near what we saw in Dunedin. England are a

(13:20):
proper rugby side, in case we needed reminding, one that
came within a point of reaching the Rugby World Cup Final,
that beat Ireland and the Six Nations, and that very
nearly beat the All Blacks in New Zealand last night
For just the third time ever and the first time
in twenty one years, we knew what their strength were.
This was no surprise close combat off one of rugby

(13:43):
with ball in hand, a smothering defense designed to deny
the All Blacks any space to weave any magic in
midfield that leaves gaps out wide, of course, if you
can find them, and certainly, said Vorese's try came from
the tactic design to combat that the crossfield kick. But
England were also pretty expensive when the occasion presented itself,
way more than I expected them to be. I was

(14:04):
really impressed with the general player of England. First five
Marcus Smith a real triple threat. He can kick, pass,
run as the fancy takes him. The only blot on
his copy book last night was his goal kicking. He
left eight points out there and in a one point
game that is obviously not great. Maro at Toji also
excellent for England. Best on park for the All Blacks

(14:25):
for me was Patrick Twey Pilotsu. Hard to believe he
was in major doubt for this series, but his all
round play accuracy in his cor rolls, ball carries, line
out takes, strong tackling excellent. The obvious talking point, though,
the obvious talking point Damien mackenzie's penalty attempt being timed out.
Now the rule, just for clarity, here's the rule. From

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the moment you signal your intent to take a kick
at goal, you have sixty seconds. It's not from when
the penalty's blown. It's from when you signal your intent.
So when you say to the referee we're going to
have a shot, and the referee basically points at the
posts and that's when the sixty second starts, I think
we're probably all okay with the rule. It's designed to

(15:08):
stop time wasting, especially at Laton games. It's a good idea,
but surely to goodness there needs to be a shot
clock on the big screen, a visual queue not only
for the kicker, but for us as well. Every other
sport that uses shot clocks of varying degrees. Think about
basketball with it's twenty four seconds to take a shot,

(15:30):
Tennis for servs, cricket for your DRS review. Anything where
there is a time limit for something to happen has
a visual demonstration of that on the big screen at
the venue. So we all know why wasn't there won
there last night? There simply must be a visual indicator
for the sixty seconds. Absolutely no brainer, So don't be

(15:53):
surprised to see it at Eden Park next weekend. And
to give Damien Mackenzie his due, he didn't complain afterwards,
he owned it and he said he just has to
make adjustments. He has to be quickt Look, I've watched
it back and the referee bang on with his timing
from the moment he points to the posts to indicate
the kick, it is exactly sixty seconds before he blows

(16:14):
again for the timed out call. It took sixty rather
twenty seconds to get the tea out there. That was
a that was a bit of an issue. And Damie
McKenzie doesn't have the ball on the tee to his
satisfaction until forty seconds and from there he's up against
the clock. And so approved oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty nine nine two decent A text lines are

(16:34):
lighting up already, already a full board. Let's get to them.
Twelve to twenty three. Bruce, kick us off.

Speaker 9 (16:40):
Yet a Jason. I made my decision when Razor and
I've been around for a day or two, as you know,
when he selected his squad, and I'm not going to
boil your quick. I know you will have a full board.
I'll just go back to thread Allen. They didn't have
all that rubbish when he was coached, and he's the
only unbeaten coach of all time. So I put one

(17:00):
hundred dollars on England two and I would have collected
six hundred and fifty dollars, and there it is. All
I've got to do is read a book cut up.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, but you didn't win any money, did you, Bruce?
If just basically given the tab one hundred bucks. I
didn't get the chance to chat to you more about
what it was that you didn't like about Razor. But well,
last time I checked, it was one from one. Yes,
there's a bit to unpack, and you know, could a
water shoulder Marcus Smith should have kicked the goals and

(17:31):
England might have won the game, did I Craig?

Speaker 10 (17:33):
Good morning?

Speaker 8 (17:34):
How's the game?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Very well? Thanks Craig.

Speaker 10 (17:37):
Yeah, I'm ringing up. I'm sort of a little of
a confused himself. I'm not really much of a rugby fan,
but I did watch it last night because it's interesting
to see what went on. But I was wondering that
but about the shop clock. They ain't never want to
put on the teeth on the big screen, and that
I was watching a game a while ago with the
guy Angus from is he from Australia or where he's
from the other referee.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Angus Gardner. I think you're talking about yeah.

Speaker 10 (17:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And if you listen to Kiff
who without doing the kicks for gold and all that,
it'd say, yeah, twenty seconds, you have teen seconds. He
was always a forming the guy of the thing county
of twenty seconds.

Speaker 11 (18:09):
He had to eat go.

Speaker 10 (18:10):
So in some ways, I think the referees do that.
The players know how many Well, it's a good referee
they do that. Players know you how you've got forty seconds,
you're thirty seconds. So you could always hear in the
background when he was referee telling the kickout, how many
seconds you had a lapse, So he knew.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, last night's referee did that. Yeah, last night's referee
did that at ten seconds, Craig. I heard him definitely
say it at ten seconds. Really, yeah, No, you're right,
you're right, And I guess I guess it's it's probably
I think it's helpful, it's good refereeing. I agreed Craig
that if you know you've basically hay come, I make
thirty twenty ten, it's just nice to know. But I
think you know, for us in the for us in

(18:46):
the crowd you're watching on TV, I mean, there should
be you should we should know, shouldn't we Let's let's
be in the know here.

Speaker 12 (18:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (18:56):
Yeah, it was an interesting game because I found that well,
because I really got a lot to watching a lot
of pricking. But I found that when they cleared the
ball from the scrums out to the or backs and
passed it out pretty much a soon as they pass
to the guy that was an English guy right in
front of him. Yeah, well that were really onto it
really quick, which is totally different what they used to
play like. But my question is if the I believe

(19:16):
that the English guys played a little bit better than
the All Blacks, and that's sounding bad being in New Zealander,
but I sort of believe that if both kickers that
actually got all the kicks, then possibly when in England
would have won.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
They would have Craig and there's there's absolutely nothing wrong
with saying that you thought England played better. I think
I think in Love for large periods they did. And yeah,
Marcus Smith, he missed, he missed, He missed two shots,
two penalties, one was a really handy position to and
a conversion, so that's eight points. Damien McKenzie missed a
couple of conversions, so that's four points. So yeah, so

(19:48):
add on the eight points and the four points and
England would have won.

Speaker 10 (19:54):
Makes you wonder what's going to happen in a mount
Eden this weekend, sorry ed in park this weekend when
it's not undercover, where it's going to make any difference
for the kicking.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, well wait and see, Craig, good to chat to
your mate. Always enjoy getting a little bit of a
different view as well. You know a lot of us,
just a lot of people sort of watch Rugby very
very carefully, and we watch it and rewatch it. But
you know, with fresh eyes often you see things that
you know that seem obvious but but aren't always obvious.
And you're right about England's defense. It was always going
to be the way they do things. Rush up. Don't

(20:23):
give Jordy Barrett, ricco Yoani even Damien McKenzie anytime, really,
but that does leave space out wide and Seva Reese's
try the cross kick executed well by Damien McKenzie. I
thought was was one way that the All Blacks always
planned to combat that. Good to chat to you, Craig,
Thanks indeed, term high mate.

Speaker 11 (20:41):
Hey, I think when they just lost us in refinal
last year to c I think the ball movement suggestive. Man,
it's the first flight. It's the teams from to the
new guy. Well he's not new, but he's taking the
rings now and he just really really opens up play.

(21:03):
But there's usually an English team doesn't mean that quick.
I think Paul, when you talked about physicality, yes, even
with physical but three the harbits. I mean when Almor
came on, he was just making ten to twenty meters,
like he said, Patrick twop to always going forward. I
think our whole hood Tack played well. I think we didn't.

(21:25):
There's one scream and they dominated this wrong. I saw
the Boots Lomas just absolutely a blutorate. They starting front
row and then two my fussy and Nevil did the same.
So that's where I had drawing micause it is my
negatives with Braden Barrett coming on, and I think I

(21:46):
counted he had them all six times he kicked it five.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Was that your negative time?

Speaker 11 (21:50):
You didn't?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I thought Bodon added really I packed when he came on,
just energy, but he kicked too much for you.

Speaker 11 (21:57):
Yeah, well, a problem with the kicking and it's again
to kick. I think Peter Fetter played brilliantly in terms
of run into they could see the space.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Or I can't remember, yeah, no, no, it was yeah.
He made that try pair off absolutely.

Speaker 11 (22:18):
Yeah, and I think he really clear. Well. But what
we need to look at next week is how are
we going to combat that are we just going to
go pick and pick and I was going to do
quo going to do same or more because the English
are going to come higher this week and it's going
to be it's pen to suit their condition.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
You're already forecasting rain seven days out to them. I
love it, mate, Good on you. Good observation. So I think, Look,
I don't think I'm going will change the way they play.
I think it worked for them last night. They put
the All Blacks into positions on the field that they
weren't comfortable. And you think of Maro a Toji's try.
Uh that was the result of a deep kick that

(23:01):
was fielded by I think it might have been severe
either resource Parafetter pushed into touch England line out. They
drove towards the lines scored. It's not rocket science, but
it's pretty effective if you can get it right. Chris asks,
a bit pedantic, But it's the shot clock, so it's
just drifted down it. But Pedantica says Chris, is the
shot clock? Is it as they run to kick the

(23:22):
ball or is it when you kick the ball. Chris,
I'm almost positive it's when you make contact with the ball,
because when it reached sixty seconds last night, I think
Damien McKenzie had just about started his run and when
the referee said nar times up. So it's yeah, it's
from just for clarity, the moment that you indicate or

(23:44):
you tell the ref we're taking a shot. Ref points
at the posts. That's when he starts his watch. He
points at the posts sixty seconds from then takes ages
to get the tea out there. That's an issue. And
we know Damien McKenzie's got a pre kick ritual. We've
all seen it. He looks down at the ball, looks
up at the posts, looks down at the ball, looks

(24:06):
up at the post again with that little smile of
his looks down again, starts as run kicks and so,
like I said to you, he didn't have the ball
on the tee by my timing watching it back this morning,
he didn't have the ball set on the tee until
thirty nine seconds. That does not give him a lot
of time to go through that entire pre kick ritual,

(24:27):
does it. He owned it. We're going to play you
some audio from Damien McKenzie when he was asked about
it afterwards. He owned it. He didn't try and make
excuses or say, oh, well I should I should be
able to see the time on the screen. When it
was suggested to him, said yeah, they'd be a good idea.
I think it's a fan thing though, we need to
see that that time on the screen. How are you, Shane? Oh,

(24:48):
good afternoon, sir, good afternoon. What's on your mind?

Speaker 13 (24:52):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (24:53):
I'm just curious. I just reading the Herald this morning,
you know, doing the all Black ratings and that of players,
and I'm a bit dumbfounded. How bro, Damian McKenzie gets
a four out of ten and we've got a number
one hooker who we're we're on the English twenty two
and we've got an attacking line out and he doesn't
throw the ball and straight we lose the ball. I'm like,

(25:15):
and he gets a better rating. And I thought, Damien McKenzie, yes,
he missed the timeout on the kick, but I thought,
you know, he helped basically the first try to Reese.
I thought he played, you know, definitely a six out
of ten versus a four out of ten. I'm just
wondering who does these ratings of you know, we looking
at different games or am I a bit biased?

Speaker 15 (25:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (25:38):
What's what's your thought of that.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
No, I don't think you're I don't think you're biased
at all.

Speaker 11 (25:42):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I don't think that at all. Shane. The ratings, I
think you take with a grain of salt, because one
man's one man's Yeah, one man's five out of ten
is another man's seven out of ten. I think four's
low for Damien McKenzie. If I'm honest, I think that's
pretty low for him.

Speaker 14 (25:57):
Yeah, I just can't believe we You know, as soon
as we replaced our hooker, we were winning the lineout
ball again. He missed I think three three shots at
lineen and and and in the second half, we're in
the twenty two. We had a good kick, we had
the line out, we have a penalty, we're in there
twenty two and you know, Cody Taylor, you know, I've
seen it in the past. The pressure comes on and

(26:17):
I'm not trying to pick on him, but it's like
it's happened before. And we've lost the line out on
a good attacking on the good attacking lineout, and we
lost the ball. So we lost a bit of momentum
and I just I just don't I don't understand it.
It's like, you know, we've got all the assistant you
know who. We've got Corey Flynn who's helping him with
the lineup. So I'm like, well, what's he helping with
because it doesn't seem to be improving in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, Shane, the lineout wasn't good last night for the
most part. If you hover above it and say, okay,
how were the lineouts not good? You're right? Didn't hit
the mark a few times? Yes, for one more. He
he's a terrifically destructive ball runner, but he knows himself.
He's got to work on his core role. Throw the ball.
He got called for Bulkin, didn't he When you go
to throw it and you don't, and then you do,
he got called for that. Our text for here, get

(27:00):
it right. The sixty seconds starts from when the ref
signals a penalty that is incorrect. That is incorrect. I
have got it right because I've checked that three or
four times. The sixty seconds starts when the referee points
at the posts. And if you don't believe me, go
back and watch a replay of last night and you
watch the time on the screen or run a stop.

(27:22):
What's yourself from the moment the referee points at the
posts until he blows the whistle to say you're out
of time. That is sixty seconds. It would be very
unfair if the sixty seconds started when the referee blew
the penalty, because there's the decision making around whether you
take the kick or not that has to come into
the equation too, So for clarity and for accuracy, I

(27:45):
can confirm that the sixty second starts from when the
referee points at the posts having got the indication from
the attacking team that they're going to have a shot
at goal. Appreciate your text, though, and good to be
able to clear it up. Twenty five to one Back
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Speaker 2 (28:10):
It'd be point it should be forty five seconds from
when the tea arrives. Yeah, I think the tea arriving
is probably a good point to start the shot clock
because it's so inconsistent how quickly the tea gets out there.
So yeah, I agree with that. Actually, that that would
be a good change. When the tea arrives, that's when
it starts. And a lot of people are pointing out

(28:32):
about the couple of minutes before halftime when the All
Blacks were in possession of the ball, led ten to seven,
and then played and played when they could have kicked
it out and gone and with a ten to seven lead,
as it happened, they played, they gave away a penalty,
England kicked it whenning at ten. All A lot of
people have picked up on that. I guess it's risk
v reward, isn't it. If Theil Blacks had sprinted down
the other end and scored a converted tribe, we'ld be

(28:52):
talking about seventeen to seven. But yeah, could a should
have water? As I say, let's get back to the lines, Chris,
any changes of selection that you would make for next week?

Speaker 8 (29:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (29:03):
Absolutely.

Speaker 16 (29:04):
I would be putting Barrett at ten, McKenzie on the
bench cover the ten and fifteen role, and I'll be
starting with Anton Brown at center and having Rico Ione
as a wing slash center replacement. I mean, nobody played

(29:26):
a really bad game, but I just feel that Anton
Brown a little bit more of a proper center. That
makes any sense to you, it does, so yeah, i'd
be I'd be going that particular way. It was good
to see that we won. I was a bit little

(29:47):
fifty to fifty on this game. I had an English
friend around watching this with me. He was quite He
was quietly confident because he knows of the changing of
the coaching staff and all of the all blacks that
had left with us a lot of caps and in
key positions as well. So yeah, by the end of
the games he was in despair because he was coming

(30:10):
around in my place to watch an English Well, thank you.
He now owed me a pint at the pub.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So just on your selection, then you you were you'd
leave Stephen Stephen Peifetta at fallback. Then you were you
were happy of the way he played.

Speaker 16 (30:29):
Absolutely, And I was a little bit doubtful on that
particular step selection because I was like, you know, maybe
Jill he earns his keep, like he shone in certain moments.
He did what he had to do, and then the
fallback has to do. The English they'd never steam rolled

(30:50):
him over for a try, or he wasn't side stepped
by anyone. He was there, So I'd give him. I'd
give him a starting opportunity again. He's I think he's
a well rounded fullback, so well done him.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
He does escape, yep, so I agree. I agree. I'd
give him the fifteen jersey again next week. I thought
he was very good set up the try. Ferrati did
all that was asked of him, good under the high ball. Yeah,
I think he deserves to keep the fifteen jersey. A
few people have pointed out to me that if you
do it on when the tea arrives, that's when the
delayed tactical tactics could happen, and it's a very good point. Yeah,

(31:27):
you know, you might just conveniently lose the tee for
a while to give you forward to the chance to
have a bit of a breather, regardless of when the
time starts and stops and all that sort of thing.
It simply must be displayed in ground for the players, yes,
but for us too, you know, it just adds something

(31:48):
a little extra, but we need to be in the
know as well. But certainly for the players, and yes
we you know that. We've mentioned a couple of times
the referee did say ten seconds and a previous caller
mentioned that Angus Gardner sort of does it in increments
of ten, he said, say thirty twenty ten, So you
know it's not ready. The referee's responsibility to do that.

(32:08):
It's the kicker's responsibility to know how long his routine
takes and to approach it accordingly. But there needs to
be a visual indicator in the ground. It's not hard, right,
Just chuck a big sixty up on the score board
and count it down. How are you, Mark?

Speaker 11 (32:29):
Yeah, good, Bony.

Speaker 17 (32:30):
It's amazing what one point makes to the country's feelings,
feelings about the way the world is. Isn't it really well?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I guess it is a results game in many ways, Mark,
Isn't it sport as a results business, isn't it?

Speaker 9 (32:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (32:46):
I guess the Warriors were on the other end of that.
Imagine the NBA if you didn't have a twenty four
seconds shot clock of the referee was up to.

Speaker 18 (32:53):
The referee exactly.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
It's like social basketball. I was saying that Andy, Andy
plays social basketball where there's no shot clock and the
referee himself or herself just starts counting down from ten. Yeah,
but imagine the NBA without a shot clog.

Speaker 17 (33:07):
Yeah, it's just ridiculous. Maybe maybe d Mech will have
to stop that smile. Maybe that's what's over the limit.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I've heard that suggested Mark, you know, and I think
you know, people said, oh, he just needs to stop smiling.
No one worries about it. When he kicks his goals.
It's part of his routine. It's part of his routine. Yep.

Speaker 17 (33:26):
I think it's great entertainment. It's become it's become a
big thing. At a game, people are looking at the
biggest screen waiting for the big smile. I think it
would be a shame if he cut that out. I
think even you know, I'm a bow and Barrack fan.
I thought the match had a great game. I thought
his decision making was fantastic under extreme pressure at times.
And I think you definitely get the nod again, I think,

(33:48):
and I don't think you can look at I think
you have to give Inland a lot of credit because
I don't think the old Blacks, any of them, really
had a bad game. I thought Sammy Reese was probably
you know, took his Super rugby former. I think he
was probably the best winger in Super rugby and I
think he was outstanding. Think Matt Talia just needs to

(34:08):
get a break case just so literacy. Now you can
bass so many tackles. He must have broken more tackles
than anyone in that game. But I just don't think
anyone had a bad game and the black and mental
black side.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Do you No, I don't, And I don't think anybody
in an England should had a bad game either, Mark.
I think there was just two teams who just went
at one another proper test match. Yeah, I don't think
anybody will lose. Well, I mean, I'm sure that they'll
make changes of some description, but I don't think on
their performance last night, anybody necessarily played their way out
of their jersey. You might have a different view. I'm

(34:42):
sure you do have a different view, and you can
voice it on the phone if you like. Oh eight
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Speaker 2 (35:02):
Baby thirteen to one. James asks any update on TJ.
Pennald's injury, not yet, James No. Scott Robertson did a
media stand up about an hour ago, and there is
no update at the moment on the seriousness of t J.
Pettinad's injury. If the crowd could see the countdown asks
this test, wouldn't they just chant the last ten seconds?
I think they probably would. It'll add to it, wouldn't it.

Speaker 11 (35:23):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Angus?

Speaker 16 (35:25):
Hey? Yeah, young, good quick one?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (35:29):
Did we when?

Speaker 8 (35:30):
Or did they lose?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Nice one? I think we won. What do you think?

Speaker 19 (35:36):
Yeah, I think I think it's one. But yeah, I
agree it was.

Speaker 20 (35:40):
It was.

Speaker 19 (35:41):
It was a good game. So no, there's about it
really well not the sports.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, terrific. They did, angus. To be fair, they left
some points out there in one penalty in particular from
Marcus Smith, which was pretty handy that you know. And
when it's a one point game, if you leave eight
points out there with miss kicks, then I'm sure you're
waken up this morning thinking, man, we let that one
get away.

Speaker 10 (36:05):
Yeah, well, I see the question.

Speaker 19 (36:06):
And if it was the other way around, would we
beat him the same conversation?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, I think if we if we'd lost sixteen fifteen,
I think we'd probably be saying the all Blacks lostter
but the anywhere all Blacks fans, aren't we?

Speaker 19 (36:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 15 (36:18):
You know that's the one.

Speaker 19 (36:19):
Ain't you business?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Hold you to No, you're all good, Ancus, good to Chatim,
thanks for calling in. Hello, Peter, how are you doing there?

Speaker 10 (36:25):
Good?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (36:26):
Chrisk.

Speaker 13 (36:27):
If we'd lost by one point, had been filthy over
he's missing account now, wouldn't he?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
He absolutely would, And he said that last night as well, Peter.
He said, Look, it could have been a heck of
a lot worse. The fact was it didn't impact the result,
but if it had, then he would have been feeling
a lot worse than he was from simply having been
timed out.

Speaker 13 (36:46):
Just just thinking back to the game, though, I'd say
there are a few all Blacks incumbents. It may have
loosted the copy book a little bit. Yeah, I mean,
I'm not saying that anyway. He particularly bad game, but
I don't think all of the players played up to
the required standard, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, No, I understand if you can you can single
people allowed if you'd like.

Speaker 13 (37:07):
Yeah, I still think Cody Taylor, you know the difference
in how the line now performed when he came on
there a couple of times when he got the ball
and seemed at a loss of what to actually do
now that he'd mistakenly found this thing in his hands,
whereas you know, has a pretty both approach to that situation.

Speaker 11 (37:26):
Yes, I think d Mach.

Speaker 8 (37:31):
When he was.

Speaker 13 (37:31):
Receiving those high kicks show what he should be playing
at fifteen. If I was putting the team next week,
I'd be starting voting at ten. I'd been putting d
Mac at fifteen and putting pair of fetter on the
bench because he covers both.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
That's a very good point, Patty, because he was very
good under the high ball last night.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
Mak.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
He's just feel us, isn't he.

Speaker 13 (37:49):
He's feel us exceptional And to give him a little
bit more space to run from back, I think he'd
relish that. He'd absolutely relish that. I think Rico Yuani
may be lucky to be in the twenty three next week.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
So who would you Who would you play at center?
Lennet Brown? Or would you give Billy Proctor a debut?

Speaker 13 (38:10):
I need to give Billy Proctery go. Hey, you know
you could argue he's pretty much the form center of
the tomp anyway, Anton nut Brown probably, you know, covers
twelve and thirty in a way that Proctor doesn't. But yeah, no,
I think Proctor is generally much more of a natural

(38:31):
center as opposed to a converted winger.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Interesting. Thanks, Pete, I appreciate. I've got to get one
more call away before we get to the break, but yeah,
Scott Robertson will have some thinking to do around his selections.
Ben you over the streets of yesterday with the Warriors
and the All Blacks.

Speaker 18 (38:48):
Oh mate, look a hang on a bit of turn
the radio down because it's it's bringing back flashbacks of
yesterday's Shenanigans. Holy heck, what a right? Yeah yeah man,
yeah man, just just yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
This is what we love about the Warriors game. So
I didn't really get the chance to watch it really
closely because it was the two hours leading into the
All Blacks test and I was kind of focusing on that.
So obviously the Warriors lost in Golden Points. What was
your assessment? Did they deserve to win?

Speaker 18 (39:20):
The Warriors deserved to win, man, there's no doubt about it.
And but hey, the Bulldogs just keep hammering back and
things just didn't go away. There's tries that you know,
there was you thought, here comes a try and then
it wasn't a try. It held up and then and
then we went into overtime, and it was it was
just back and forth, men. And honestly, the boys knew

(39:40):
we're going deep. And the boys on both teams knew
that they had to run the ball back into the
into the twenties, you know, within drop kick zone range.
And yeah, it was just that was the boys stood up,
got the ball back there. But yeah, the kicks just
went going over pinty and and yeah, the overtime we

(40:05):
know went on and it just keep going on.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You still got to you still have you still got
a chart? I mean I'm looking at the table now
and for every game that goes past, you started getting
into sort of this mathematical possibility situation. Got to buy now.
So that's two points obviously, but what's three points outside
the top eight as it stands at the moment, which
doesn't sound like a lot, But you've got to start
winning some games.

Speaker 18 (40:28):
Right this is otherwise we're going to start to play
the game we were hoping on other teams still lose.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (40:36):
You know there was the boys that I reckon would
have turned the table, they would have stood up in
those in those in those clutch moments they were they
were out, they were injured. Yeah, Dylan, Uh who.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, no, Tom Who Harris is out on radio?

Speaker 21 (40:54):
No a bit.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I better go in because I've got to get a breakaway.
That's why otherwise I won't be working in radio much
longer for I don't play the ads. Yeah, Taho Harris
is the other one I think and out in definitely too.
We'll wait for more information on that. Thanks for your
cor Ben, appreciate it. Seven to one New Talks does
that me? Is that my turn to speak?

Speaker 1 (41:14):
It is?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It is my turn to speak. Thank you, Andy. I
was just reading the mountain of texts that are flowing
in here, a lot of them making very good points.
We'll get to more of them after one o'clock. Also
joined after one with his analysis by Liam Napier, senior
rugby writer at The New Zealand Herald.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
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Speaker 2 (41:45):
News Talk one oh seven. Welcome back in or welcome in,
as the case may be. We're broadcasting live from duneed
in the day after the first All Blacks test of
the year. More to come on that. Liam Napier from
the New Zealand Herald going to join us shortly. More
of your calls and correspondence. Niri asks, with regard to
the sixty second rule for goalkicking, is there any this

(42:05):
dispensation given when conditions are windy and a player needs
to be brought in to steady the ball for the kicker?
A good question, Nri. As I read the rule, No,
there is no dispensation. Even if the ball falls off
the tee. The sixty seconds continues, which adds another layer
of interest, doesn't it on windy days? No problem and

(42:25):
didn't need and last not with the roof of course,
But yeah, as I read it, you don't get any
extra dispensation for that. Damien McKenzie timed out as he
lined up a eight shot at goal last night to
give him his due, came out in front of the
media on it. Here was his postmatch reaction to what

(42:45):
played out.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Just miss the time.

Speaker 20 (42:49):
I think we're about sixty seconds from the time the
pearently is blind to win the goals kick. So he
did rush me in my last previous kick, said that
I need to speed up, so kind of felt like
I didn't take too long in the last kick. And
then he did say something when I was in the
back of my sort of went to go forward and
but then it was too late.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
But I'm not pointing the finger anyone.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
It's it's completely on my shows.

Speaker 20 (43:15):
I've got to sort that out around my process and
just speeding things up and knowing that once the penalty's blind,
I've got sixty seconds to kick the cack and I think, yeah,
there was a lot of relief after the we got
that final penalty. Would have been disastrous if we'd lost
from a from AKP three points. So yeah, something I
have to look at, but completely on my shols and

(43:36):
you know, and that sort of said in my previous
kick ten seconds and then I had a couple of
boys like cat Cap, so I'd got into my cacking process.
And then the last time, I can't remember exactly what
was said, but it was a round of speed up
and then as I sort of happened look up to
the post and I went to walk into well, it
was on my way to walk in, and then the
whistle was blind. So yeah, again, it's it's something I

(43:58):
have to look at. I don't think I've got a
slow sort of process. I probably feel like I've taken
longer before, but it's that's the rules, so I'm gonna
have to sort it out. I think it would be
great if there was a sort of a time on
the screen. You can sort of get a bit of
an ideas why counting in my head the sixties, especially
when I'm trying to focus someone cat's out, they're great.
So yeah, I mean if well, I've played in games

(44:20):
where there is a shot flop, so if there was
one on the screen, there'd be awesome. Thank Heaven.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
There you go. There's Damien McKenzie after the game last night.
As I say, fronted up. He didn't have to come
out and talk to the media. He did, among them
New Zealand Herald Rugby writer Liam Napier. I thought he
owned that quite well, Liam, don't you He did.

Speaker 19 (44:40):
Yeah, it was very nice to hear him be so
honest and open about it. Wasn't that there were no complaints.
He wasn't trying to point the finger at anyone else,
and he did say that the referee George and referee
spoke to him in his previous kick as well, so
as I've seen from a few Australians saying, now you
know how we feel after that Classic Leaders Though finish

(45:02):
in Melbourne a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Do you think they'll do You think they'll put a
timer on the screen. Surely that would be easy to do.
Do you think they'll do that? For eating part?

Speaker 19 (45:14):
It does seem like a common sense decision, doesn't it.
Whether Mark Robinson gets on the phone to Nick Sawton
this week seems like a very simple, easy request and
something that should be done not just for the kickers
and the players, but the fans at the grounds they're
now in Dunedin. They put up the decisions across the
big screen. Every decision that was made penalty wise here

(45:36):
was a brief explanation.

Speaker 11 (45:38):
Of what it was for.

Speaker 19 (45:39):
So it shouldn't be a big thing to have that
sort of element there so everyone knows what's going on.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
In overall terms, did you get what you expected last
night from these two teams?

Speaker 19 (45:54):
To a degree? I think given the limited preparation, the
All Blacks heads the fact that this is the biggest
sea change for the All Blacks in twenty years. They
had eighteen new managements, a lot of it experience, they
had a lot of new calls, very limited time to
bring everyone together from the super rugby clubs. I did
expect them to be scratchy, rusty, nervous, and they were.

(46:18):
They started probably better than I expected, and England had
the benefit of playing six tests this year, of playing Japan,
of naming pretty much the same team other than their
props that they used against Japan seven or eight days ago.
So for me, this was a real blown opportunity for England.
This was their best chance to strike their first tour

(46:40):
to New Zealand in the decades, and they had it
to a degree in the palm of their hand. They
came out of the box brilliantly in the second half.
They put the All Backs under extreme pressure and they
just couldn't quite finish the job. I don't know if
you've done the sums piny, but this match could have
easily been a drawer off. Marcus Smith kicked all his kicks.
There was eight points. Damien McKenzie miss seven, including the

(47:03):
timed out penalties, so it could have easily been a draw,
and in my mind that probably would have been a
fair result.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
So what got the All Blacks across the line?

Speaker 19 (47:13):
I think they did well to fight through that adversity
in the second half and McKenzie did kick enough goals.
Addie Severe was huge with a couple of turnovers on
his own line, Scott Barrett with a couple of big
counter rucks. They just they did enough. But it was

(47:33):
very squeaky, very nervous. Scott Robinson talked about hatching the
wall behind him in the coach's box and you not
being totally calm. So this was a real experience, for
first experience for that whole management team. While there is
a strong degree of continuity from the playing group, it
is a new group and I expect him to be

(47:55):
a lot better. But this was a very near thing,
wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
It was? It was So what will be on Scott
Robertson's to do list as he hops on a plane
at some stations, presumably jets up to Auckland. What's on
his to do list right at the top of it.

Speaker 19 (48:12):
I think there's some things that dealbacks will take away
from a positive perspective, this scrum was extremely dominant without
getting the rewards some where bizarre refereeing calls there. They
use them more well at times, probably not as much,
but in terms of improvements getting around the English rush defense,
the lion speed from Felix Jones. He's a former spring

(48:34):
box defense coach. He's coming and that rattle deal backs.
At times they target the second man. Damien McKenzie got
flattened a couple of times Eriykowani. They did score twice
with McKenzie kicking to the edge for several recent Stev
Petterfetter skipping out of Ben Earl's tackles to get around
that rush. But it just kept coming, and so that

(48:56):
will be a huge focus. I think the breakdown, England
had success there. I think Ollie Lawrence and the rookie
winger Emmanuel got two turnovers each. Marrow told you got two.
So increasingly England dominated the breakdown and the lineouts. Gil
Black's lost three of their own throws and that's an

(49:17):
area that they really pride themselves on. So those are
three areas. I'm sure there'll be more just decision making
as well. You look at the back end of the
first half, Gill Black's played beyond the hooter inside their
own half England in the penalty and they lock it
up at ten all and given the All Blacks dominance,
they didn't deserve to be level at halftime, so bill

(49:37):
back should be better for that had out, but there
is a lot for them to drill into in the
next seven days.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Do you expect any personnel changes in the All Black
side next week.

Speaker 19 (49:46):
I think the key one will be probably at half back.
TJ Pittinara had that nasty twist of his knee with
Scott Barrett and the cleanouts and I'd be very surprised
he was walking around the lobby today, didn't look too serious,
but I'd be very surprised he didn't the merge for
a second half and I don't to see him participating

(50:07):
in this next test. And I do see that as
quite a blow because I felt like he was a
loss and fin Lay Trusty didn't have the same control
from the base in that second half. So I think
you'll probably see fin la Christie coming at half back
if TJ. Petina has ruled out. Cortez at Artimo probably
on the bench for his debut, and your backs will

(50:27):
potentially have to call in a replacement, maybe Fala Falcatava
or a Noah Hopm, but outside of that, I think
it will be largely continuity and cohesion. That's Scott Robertson
will want. He hasn't had long with this team and
it will be more about getting improvements from that starting
tend The only other tweak potentially maybe they look to

(50:49):
inject Boden about at the back. I was impressed by
Steven Petefestter, but they did pull him off after fifty
one minutes, and part of the reasoning given for starting
Stephen Petefestter was that Boden had only had one match
club rugby match in the past five weeks, so that's
probably something way up. I would also like to see
a bit more punched from Neil Black's pack, but whether

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they make any changes there, certainly I don't see him
coming in the front row given the way they.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Performed potentially at blindside. Even Black at his fit isn't
he could potentially come in at six?

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Could he? Yeah?

Speaker 19 (51:25):
I think he'll be in consideration. Hasn't played a lot
of rugby this year either, but he's well liked, doesn't
he buy Scott Watson and Jason Ryan. I think that's
certainly a discussion point at six Summer Puny Female. I
don't think you can knock his work great, but he
probably didn't deliver the consistent ball carrying, powerful presence that
you'd wants from that role. So I think there's certainly

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discussion to be had at blind Side. Luke Jacobson was
on the bench, Buddies. He's not that big, powerful prototype
that you're looking for at six.

Speaker 17 (51:55):
So yeah, maybe.

Speaker 19 (51:58):
Ethan Blackheader comes in. I don't think you could change
the wings se verese was outstanding, wasn't he defensively? And
his work create and Mark Kala, so I don't think
you've seen too many changes elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
All right, And just on England you talked about being
a lost opportunity. They blew the chance to break a
long standing drought of wins in New Zealand that goes
all the way back to two thousand and three. Was
last night their best chance? Or will the way they
played last night give them confidence they can go to
the fortress at is Eden Park and went up there

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next weekend.

Speaker 19 (52:32):
I'm going to expect them to take heart from that
performance and improve themselves. But this was the best chance
to catch the All Blacks on the hop to expose
a team that's had such limited time together. And I
think it is there is something about eden Park with
your buy into the universal mystique or whatever it is,

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there is something in eden Park that brings out the
best in.

Speaker 10 (53:00):
The All Blacks.

Speaker 19 (53:01):
So I would expect the All Blacks to improve in
the next week, to play better. But look, I expect
England to still be competitive. They're still going to bring
the rush, defense, their pressure at the line, out the breakdown.
They will still challenge the All Blacks. But this was
the best chance. And you know, when you come so
close and don't get over the line, there is a

(53:23):
bit of a hangover from that, so they'll have to
move on pretty quickly. But I didn't know Jamie George
postmatch saying, you know, they were a bit pissed off
to a degree that the All Blacks didn't know their
names last week, and Jamie George when an interview of
the BBC was saying, look, well they'll know who we
are now. So this is a motivated England team. They're

(53:44):
very driven to break that history, so they'll give it
a good crack next week too, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Well, I've had a clock running while you've been on
the air and you bang on the allocated time, Liam,
you haven't gone over it, and you had no visual
queue either, presumably, so well done.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
That's great.

Speaker 19 (54:00):
You didn't have to call him a mo I didn't have.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
To save travels night. We'll see in Auckland next week.

Speaker 19 (54:06):
It's Bunny tom Man.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Thanks Liam, Liam, And if you're there New Zealand Herald,
senior rugby writer always worth reading his copy, be it
match reports or analysis inzit herold dot co dot ez it,
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we can talk some more rugby, pick up on whatever
you're like. I don't really want to labor the shot

(54:29):
clock point, but there's a lot of a lot of
interest in chatting about it, presumably, so let's keep on
doing that.

Speaker 14 (54:35):
Frank.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
You might have to turn your radio down in the
background there, mate, Let's go to Pete. Hello, Pete, how
you doing. I'm okay, Pete, I'm okay. What do you
want to talk about? The shot clock? Incident.

Speaker 15 (54:47):
I've got a technical question around that sixty seconds then
you yourself won't got to answer this, but I'm sure
one of your good listeners are referees and that so
who's determined you're taking a legitimate shot at goal. So
the referee allocates you a penalty with a minute to
go or frexnly less than a minute to go. So
so if you take a shot and you miss, then

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the opposition could potentially run off and score a try.
So you tell your your kicker line up to take rest.
We're taking a goal. Tell you kicker, I don't aim
for posts, aim for the sideline and just get the
ball out. And to take it back to a never
and sillier situation, you've got penalty in your own twenty
two and the rest goes, well you can't shoot that,

(55:31):
you can't reach that, And you say, well rest, Yeah,
this guy can kick eighty meters. He's going to have
a decent go with it. And he stands there, waits
for the shot. What the countdown games over? Kick the
ball dead or kick the ball over the sideline. Because
he does the kick and say, oh, he's not as
good as I thought.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Ref So turns out, he can't kick it, Adie Medus.
I know what you're saying, Pete and I because we
know that you can't pass the ball out intentionally. If
you're running down the sideline with a ball, you can't
pass it out intentionally. But it's an interesting point that
you raise. I think if it was a kick that
you know the game's going to end. I think what

(56:05):
they encourage kicker to do when they're lining up the
shot of goal is to give up plenty. So even
if even if they miss, it goes dead, game over. Anyway,
it's when the ball stays in the field of play
or it was taken in the end goal area or
whatever it might be. But yeah, it's an interesting point
you make. I'm not sure what would happen in the
case of the eighty meter penalty.

Speaker 10 (56:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (56:24):
Well, as I said, I leave the I live the
phone line open for someone who.

Speaker 9 (56:33):
I remember.

Speaker 15 (56:34):
In the World Cup there was one of the remember
which came was it was a game and it was
about thirty seconds to go, and I.

Speaker 19 (56:38):
Was thinking, mate, don't aim for the post.

Speaker 10 (56:40):
Just aim to get the ball.

Speaker 15 (56:41):
As like, you know, aim for the corner post or something,
you know, just you know, don't aims to give them
the ball.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Basically, I love the way you're thinking, mate, Good on
your mate. Well keep listening because I'm sure there'll be
an answer somewhere in the ZB audience.

Speaker 22 (56:54):
Frank, Hello, Hello, Yes, if you're going to have a
time in one minute for the kicking, how about for
them when walking to the line out it should be
ten or fifteen second penalty on that and if they
don't get the n ten or fifteen seconds penalty the
other team.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I think that I think there is one, Frank. I
don't know how heavily it's enforced, but I think they
have broad in a shot clock type arrangement for lineouts
and scrums. Rum.

Speaker 22 (57:20):
Yeah, so they should because they're just walking near wasting
a lot of time last night.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Good point, Frank. Yeah, they do seem to have committee meetings,
don't they, in an around lineouts in particular. I noticed
that a bit last night. One twenty three's the time
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News Talks a B one twenty six Back to the
line shortly. Here's Scott Robertson speaking a short time ago
about the relief of winning his first Test match as
head coach.

Speaker 23 (58:05):
I think Test footy was a reality of the chest
footing and how close and the margins are and how
poortant the little things are in the game. Look really
proud of the group, how they thought on their feet
and made some really good decisions and found a way
to win that. Ye will be better for a lot
of players got some time under their belt, you know
they had a few boys hadn't played.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
For a while.

Speaker 23 (58:30):
We embedded a lot through the week and now we
can just get into it.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
That is Scott Robertson a short time ago doing his
Sunday Morning media. Doan you reckon he'll be happy with
his first outing? Raise it or are you happy with it?

Speaker 20 (58:42):
Oh mate?

Speaker 8 (58:43):
One hundred happy hats off to Rasa and the team.
I mean only having two.

Speaker 17 (58:49):
Weeks to get the boys together and to just get
the dub pressed up.

Speaker 8 (58:57):
That's kudos to Raisa and the team.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
What what impressed you the most? Who did you like
last night?

Speaker 11 (59:06):
Well?

Speaker 8 (59:06):
I like the first half. I thought our breakdown area
was beauty, TG quickball. Just towards the end there it
did get a little missy, but I did find it
changed once Christy Kemman second half. I mean that there
are one play there where the rest calling for him

(59:27):
to use the ball and then he doesn't use the ball.
Whether Ardie didn't hear him off the back, I'm not sure,
but happy with the boys efforts and I wouldn't mind
if they kept the same team. Yeah, if you make
another run at first five, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I guess they might. They'll have to. They'll probably have
to make a change at half back with with TJ's injury.
As you've probably heard, we don't know the full extent
of it just at the moment. I mean, I'm just
hoping that it's one of those where it's not as
bad as it first appears because he's had such bad
luck with injuries. But they may just decide, Okay, let's
let's be cautious. So yeah, they may have to make

(01:00:05):
a change there elsewhere. I think you're right, Dean, I'm
not sure that there'll be too many tweaks that would
definitely be needed. I think you'd probably throw pretty much
the same team back out there.

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I mean, even the shot clock. I mean I
was on the edge of my seat, I guess as
the rest of the do nation. But I mean I
wasn't too upset because of the position we're in. We're
up one. I mean, it might have been a different
story for a down one, but we're up one. Okay,
yet they boarded gazers and we're in there twenty two.

(01:00:39):
So yeah, but a shot clock would be good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
You won't get an argument, Dean from me on that, mate.
You won't get an argument from me. Good to have
your thoughts, mate, And I think a lot of people
probably share your view that that you know, a win
is a win. It's a results business. After all, you've
got to win the game. And yes, if it had
been the other way around, I'm sure the calls would
be very different day, but it wasn't. History will show

(01:01:08):
us that Scott Robertson's tenure as All Black's head coach
started with a win, a hard fought one with lots
of layers of complexity and conversation, but a win nonetheless.
Good to chet to you, Dan, Hello, Petey fine.

Speaker 24 (01:01:22):
I think the old rager could be quite happy. It's
a new team. Pretty much up he got now, So
I think the wins will win. They did pretty good.
I think you know you'll have plas to do. And
the poems are hard. They're hard me and the big
boys think be shrubbed. They got big boys in their team,
so I think we could be proud of our team.
But just going back to regarding their sixty sixty seconds

(01:01:43):
time to kick a goal, I reckon it's not really
fair that it should be on the day like it's
windy by the time that the guy runs out and
puts the thing and to kick the ball and sixteen
seconds ok, and it's a hell of a lot of
time frame, truly short time play American. Plus they should
put a display and how say they can steal on
the goal postal summy. So the poor old kick the

(01:02:04):
white Dame. You can see him and he thinks he's
got yet fifty seconds is not much. I reckon I
should maybe extend it a little bit more. You get
a really good ticker in a team, they'll take advantage
of that and they'll win, because then they're putting the
stress on maybe a ticket that needs a bit more time,
I reckon it's not should we maybe a win and
a half or two minutes not much to see how
much time they're wasting the scum scrums in that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Yeah, and that's a good point you make, Pete, which
others have made as well, as like, if we're trying
to cut down on time wasting or or dead time
in a game of rugby, then surely things like reset scrums,
players taking ages to get to the line out and
other things need to be looked at as well. I
think to give the all Black Stare credit. Both Damien
McKenzie and Scott Robertson said afterwards, we know the framework

(01:02:48):
within which we're playing. We just have to make our
own adjustments. So yeah, for Damien McKenzie, look, it's one
of those where it's never happened him before, and he
said afterwards he hope it never happens again. He'll be
so aware of it next time waiting. But I think
you're right, it's if it's a windy day, or it
takes ages for the tea to get out there. There's
just a couple of variables which make it, you know,

(01:03:10):
not quite as consistent as it could be. Yeah, be fair, Yeah,
good on your feet. Thanks mate, I appreciate it, jacere
your overall thoughts.

Speaker 25 (01:03:23):
Sorry you're there, Piney, I'm here, Jace Oh sorry I
am now so yeah, I just say you, producer, there's
a growing thing with me. Like I I think it
was just a case of four super rugby teams coming
together at haste versus a side that's at least had
a together, and it sort of showed a bit like
that were sort of I don't know, I just thought of,

(01:03:44):
look but pop gun rugby. We were running around in
circles to sort of try and go and meet a
Ford type thing versus, you know, the big sides we
had in the past. We always had that big goliath
type enforcer, whether it be a Jonah or whether it
be a oh the guy that retired up with US
World Cup Jerome Connellano type. We don't have them, and

(01:04:07):
it just seems like if the opposition can just get
up like England at the whole game must have been
bordering on off side the entire game.

Speaker 10 (01:04:13):
Let's be fair.

Speaker 25 (01:04:15):
They just seem to be able to knock the stuff
and out of us a bit, and then we sort
of do the little darts around and try and get
things going again. But yeah, I'd just been disappointed, to
be honest, But maybe that was just indicative the fact that,
as I said before, we've got soup four super ropey
sides sort of coming together that form the nucleus of

(01:04:35):
the squad. But they can only get better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Big game next week, Big game next week, Jason. The
counterpoint to the short time together is the state of
origin example, where those players only have a short time together,
don't they head of state of origin matches? So you
know there is a counterpoint to it. But you did
right ten days versus you know, several months that England
have been together. If you take it back to before

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the World Cup, through the Six Nations and then on
to the Japan Test and then down he Yeah, the
preparations are vastly different between the two.

Speaker 26 (01:05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:05:11):
One final thing too, Like one player that you were saying,
you know, I'm pretty much on song with the consensus
that you probably just throw out the same side again.
But Ritojani would need to show something a little bit
like he promised a few years ago. He's sort of
been running around, whether it be in the Super season
or verse so far. He'd need to show something a
little bit more dynamic than what he's putting out there

(01:05:33):
at the moment too. He would be probably my only
concern in that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
All right, Jas, good to chat mate. Thanks and Dick. Yeah,
I think Billy Proctor will get a test at some
stage in the next two I wonder whether it might
wait till San Diego. He was the form center and
super rugby Billy Procter, and I don't think he'd be
able to place in an All Blacks jersey at all.
It just yeah, I think he'll run out almost the

(01:05:59):
same team next week, injury permitting. Half Back obviously will
be one that needs to be looked at. But I
wouldn't be at all surprised if from ten out to
fifteen it's the same. It's the same players. We'll see
team named on Thursday.

Speaker 21 (01:06:12):
Hello James, Yeah, hang on, all right, very good first
time caller to you. Yeah, I'm not concerned that the
All Blacks have gone back or gone to the super
rugged style of when they get awarded a penalty and
their first penalty, they've been having the right line, they've
didn't score a try, so they awarded a penalty and

(01:06:34):
I don't take the points to build schoolboard pressure. A
perfect example, this was too sad name with Kieran Reid
kicking for touch at the time, and we drew the
series of the Lions. We should have been light years
the head of Alliance. If they had a captain like
Buck Shelford, we would have won that series. You know,
we left ten points out there for the All Blacks

(01:06:55):
because that would have that was a showing that penalty,
that first penalty we had would have been three points.
We didn't score from kicking to touch. In fact, we
turned the ball. So I just think the All Blacks
are going to have to learn to go back to
the way we used to play the game, especially when
you're playing Lions because it's Olympics, you'll never played them again,

(01:07:17):
and you don't win by just kicking for touch and
then turning them all over. So I think the All
Blacks need to go back to the basics and start
building scoreboard pressure, getting down that end and take the three.
Take the three, take the three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yeah, I've often heard it, sa James. Yeah, I've often
heard it, said James, And exactly what you're subscribing to
that it's okay to go up in threes. It's quite okay,
especially when you know hindsight sixteen fifteen. You know, three
points here or there, it makes a massive difference.

Speaker 21 (01:07:47):
Yeah, the other ten would have been light year between
us and that English team last night.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah. Good on to James, say, thanks for calling in, mate,
I'm glad you've made your debut. Please call back any time, mate,
good to chat to you. The sixty second rule says
this text has been around for a few seasons now,
all the players know about it. Excuses and the reef
had already worn Damien McKenzie about the time. A shot
clock on the big screen, though, is absolutely a no brainer.

(01:08:13):
Let's hope that happens.

Speaker 12 (01:08:14):
Hey, Greg, good a mate, I think we I'm calling
from Crusader Country. We've talked before, Piney.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Yes, Greg, good to have you back on the show, mate,
But to talk to.

Speaker 12 (01:08:24):
You, I think we should be very thankful for the win.
It was only a point, but it's the first first
test with the new team, and first one for Raises
so I was very pleased. I did think I just
saying to your reception man, a bit of arrogance out
there towards the English.

Speaker 22 (01:08:43):
I felt.

Speaker 12 (01:08:44):
I didn't like, you know, there was a fore gone conclusion.
I thought, you know, these guys are battle hard and
have just come through a season and we've got a
new combination. It's first up for raises. So I just felt,
you know, not some people didn't take them as seriously
as what we should have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Absolutely right, absolutely right.

Speaker 12 (01:09:05):
It's a point at points the wins a win, and
I'm really grateful. I'll get chewed up for one about
to say next, But on the Harker, I felt the
throat something is just totally unnecessary and I just don't
think that's the need for it in this day and age.
But if you're going to do that, we've got no
cause to complain and whine. If other teams, you know,

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take it to the all blacks and stick it to
the all blacks that they English did during the World
Cup semi final when they formed that V formation, and
I just think, you know, respects the two way thing,
and I just felt it was a bit unnecessary. The
other point, upon the mate and I'm not against the harker.
I think it's something to be revered and treated with respect.

(01:09:51):
But I think it's overdone a lot of the time,
and it's almost been sadly commercialized during to a marketing employer.
But that's just a personal view. The other thing is
why did people have to do when the English guy
took kicks looking for points? I just they have a
sign up to respect the kicker, so I don't think

(01:10:11):
there's any need for that bin it's tourist and it's
makes us right hacks.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
What do you think, Greg, You made some good points.
I can't unpack them all. I agree with the last bit,
but that's a very much a personal thing, and I think,
you know, any move to try and stop New Zealand
rugby crowds from booing kickers will we'll just it's we're
basically pushing it uphill to try and do that. People
will always just do it. I agree, I you know,

(01:10:38):
I think it's unnecessary and doesn't paint us in a
very good light. If I'm honest, I don't think the
I don't want to get into the ins and outs
of the hauker today, but yeah, yeah, I don't know.
That it has a great impact on the game itself.
I like the Haucker, I like the reverence with which

(01:10:58):
it is held, but yeah, I'm not really that keen
on getting into it today. The throat slitting, yeah, I
could probably do without it. Thanks, Greg, appreciate your call.
Twenty one away from two, we'll take a break, come
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Speaker 11 (01:11:36):
Hello mate, kid, Hey Piney, how are you? What a game?
What a big game?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
I loved it. I loved it, I really did. I.
I don't mean to compare, but I watched the Wallabyes
Whales game afterwards and that was a bit underwhelming compared
to what happened under the roof and Dunedin.

Speaker 11 (01:11:52):
For me, yeah, that was lame. It was a proper
test metch last night, so enthralling the drama with d MAC.
I totally agree with DMAK about a shot clock. There
needs to be a shot clock. But also I'm just
wondering whether I don't blame him for smiling. I know
it's triggering for some people to see in all black smiling,
but maybe he can't do a full blown smile. Maybe

(01:12:13):
it needs to be like a Mona Lisa smile, just
a smirk, just a little.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Just a little grin you got. You would have seen
this as well. You would have been at grounds where
Damie McKenzie is taking kecks and he's on the big screen.
When he smiles, everybody cheers.

Speaker 11 (01:12:29):
It's part of his routine. I'm not going to stop him.
He's a bloody good goal kicker, although there are a
few that were missed last night and also by Marcus Smith.
But it does put the pressure on tea delivery. I
was thinking, you can't have a prop doing that. It's
either going to be Caleb Clarke or a Morning Nadawa,
or we just get in someone like you know, Joseph Miller,
New Zealand's fartus Man, just as a tea tea boy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Like Idio sign Katia, he could come back from his
fledgling NFL career and bestally the tea. So you basically
you could put some starting blocks on the sideline and
out you go.

Speaker 11 (01:13:05):
Yeah, far side of the field. Sideline conversion, I mean,
or even any sideline kick. That tea is going to
get out there fast. That's that's a seventy meter sprint
there and you can't have anybody like lumbering over there.
No disrespect to our props, but hey, you know, although
to Mysy Williams did look quite quick to the Chiefs,
so maybe he could do it. But yeah, maybe maybe

(01:13:27):
any delivery.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Is key, Absolutely it is key. Hey, England will be
I don't think they'll be necessarily kicking themselves, but they
will be thinking about a blown opportunity today, won't they.

Speaker 11 (01:13:42):
Absolutely, that's the one that got away. I totally agree
with Liam Napier and some of your callers there who
were just you know, looking at thinking wow, there was
there were moments there and it's still could have right
at the end that that penalty could have gone either
way right on full time. So England will be gutted.
They look like a work in progress as well, I mean,
Findaxter looks about twelve years old. The giant chair up

(01:14:05):
who's playing reserve prop for them to see. But they
also have people that you know that Dan Cole is
thirty seven years old, so they sort of, I guess,
trying to shore up that the scrum, and that's I
thought where the All Blacks excelled and put pressure on
in the last quarter. But up until then, I would

(01:14:27):
say that England looked the better side.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Do I agree?

Speaker 27 (01:14:32):
I agree?

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
I think, and I think for large parts of the game,
if you were going to break it down with you know,
forensic deep and forensic detail, I think they probably shagged
it in a lot of areas and sixteen fifteen tells
the story of that. You know, Marcus Smith, I really
like him, by the way. I think he's a really
good player. But he missed a couple of shots of
goal one in particular, which was fairly handy.

Speaker 11 (01:14:53):
Yeah, well, I mean Owen Pharrell would have slotted those.
But I like Marcus Smith, and even though Borthwick probably
doesn't see him as his number one first five, I
think England needs to keep stick with that Mark Smith.
I've got to persevere with him because otherwise they go
back to boring old England. I don't think that makes
them competitive against teams like the All Blacks. So yes

(01:15:16):
to Marcus Smith used to Chamber coming him South who
went to Hambleton Boys High and Lincoln University apparently and
playing blindside for England. They were exceptional. But in the
final quarter I just think the All Blacks bench was
a bit stronger. Soft Whale Moor excellent, Boden Barrett really
solid and clever, Fletcher Newle as well kept the pressure

(01:15:39):
on in the scrum, and Luke Jacobson. They all studied
the ship. Really But we have to be honest as
All Blacks fans and media rarely that this is a
new era with Razor, we've got to give him time.
I don't think we should be concerned if there is
a loss against England. But you know, because I was

(01:15:59):
looking thinking, well, the lineouts are shambles, so you've got
no metallic or white lock, and then you know the
back line was a bit clunky, and of course you're
missing Aaron Smith, so and even the defense of Sam Kaine.
I think we are missing top players. This is a
new era.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Speaking of time, are the Warriors running out of it
a little bit to make the eight.

Speaker 11 (01:16:20):
Do you know what they missed? That was tough yesterday
because they they did enough to win, but didn't quite
have the finish that they needed. And I'm gud when
it comes down to drop goals. You just haven't got
one person who spends their whole life and that's all
they care about. But I was so excited to see

(01:16:41):
Leka Halasima, the eighteen year old from Tonga, normally a forward,
second row sometimes front row, playing in the senders. Did
you see him, Pony.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
I did, I did. I've watched. I didn't watch the
entire game. I was getting ready for the rugby, but
I've watched some highlights, and yeah, I love it when
you see it when you see a guy you've never
heard of, really and they seize their chance.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
I know.

Speaker 11 (01:17:02):
And we've been talking about this on your show, Piney,
about filling that water in the Warriors, A big line
breaking side stepping, attacking threats from anywhere in the field.
And when I say you know side stepping as well,
I mean like not just a person who can change
direction quickly, I mean like he feigned one way, dipped
the shoulder basically broke the defender's ankles, as they say,

(01:17:24):
set that bulldog on his bum And I was just like,
I'm not proying to going off. I know I am.
I am prone to going off at the deep, but
I'm saying right now, Piney, a star is born. And
to quote Lady Gaga, it's like, tell me, is something?

Speaker 28 (01:17:41):
Boy?

Speaker 11 (01:17:42):
Are you trying hard to feel that bored? And you
war more scored? You're the center we've been looking for.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
I know I do, And I love the way you've
articulated yourself through song. Can I just ask you.

Speaker 11 (01:18:01):
About the Europe It's exciting to see.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I got up, I set my arm this morning to
get up to watch England play Switzerland and the Euros.
England won on penalties, which actually hasn't always been the case.
That sort of I don't know, almost turned up in
the semi finals by accident, haven't they. England.

Speaker 11 (01:18:21):
Yeah, this is weird. It's like they've missedter magoo their
way through every single phase of play, although there have
been moments of brilliance and they really Garriss Southgate owes
a lot to Jude Bellingham for the overhead in the
previous game, and then the overhead kick, and then now
he's got bacay Osaka who's kind of been trying as

(01:18:45):
much as he can to sort of do something with
his England team. I saw him make one run and
crossed it into the area and Harry Kane was nowhere
to be seen. Did you see that, Pony I did?

Speaker 8 (01:18:56):
That is weird to me.

Speaker 11 (01:18:57):
There's something wrong with this England team. But they are
in the Semis. They're going to play the Dutch, and
they're probably lucky that they are playing them because I
think look really good. Yeah, they're a little bit annoying
and they dive all over the place, but so does everybody.
My big issue though is yellow cards, and I mentioned
it last week. Yellow cards are still a problem, Piny.

(01:19:20):
Don't you think the incorrect yellow cards is what I'm
talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I was ruondering what the other part about it is.
That is the accumulation of yellow cards which leads to
a ban. And yeah, if you get a couple in
the EU eyes I think that because normally they wipe
the slate clean after the after the group stages. Just okay,
you can get two in the group stages, but then
everyone goes back to zero in the knockout stages. I
think they've included the quarter finals and the accumulation of

(01:19:46):
yellow cards at the Euros exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
So I saw another shocking one the other day. A
tackle on Embarpe, Portuguese player, perfectly legitimate, clean tackle, got
the ball only no studs up, no nothing, pretty much
balls on the floor, so it was his foot. There
was a yellow card and he was going to miss
the next game if Portugal had gone through. And you're

(01:20:09):
not allowed to appeal yellow cards. So there's a mess
of problem in football at the moment with the adjudicating it.
Even under the VAR, it feels like they're getting way
more stuff wrong than they used to. So there was
a handball in the Spain Germany game that I'm sure
I've seen that kind of handball. This is a shot
on target, by the way, not just out in the
far reaches of the of the penalty box, a shot

(01:20:32):
on target. Spanish guy has his hand in the way
and there's no penalty. That didn't even go to VAR.
I don't think ye.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
I saw that one too. I saw that one too. Yeah,
it's the inconsistency, the inconsistency is what is most frustrating.
I think in the Euros, whoever wins the Spain France
semi final probably wins it. I mean, yes, England, could
you know, mister Magoo their way to it. As you say,
the Netherlands on their day can can do things. But
I just think Spain, well, I actually think Spain will

(01:21:00):
win it. But whoever wins Spain France I think wins it.

Speaker 11 (01:21:03):
Yeah, I totally agree with you, mate, And France looking
quite dodgy and is it a case when you know
you've probably got extra time that you hold back your
stars and Embarbe looks uncomfortable in his mask. I just
let him start on the bench and give him the
final hour rather than the first hour if you're assuming
it's going to go the extra time. And I'd even
say the same with Griesman. The team looks better with

(01:21:25):
him out there, but then he can only really last
an hour in those conditions. So anyway, it's something for
Dave shamp to think about. But also just as well,
I think it's great let's applaud Razor for his first
win and just say the Blues WhatsApp group they would
have been it would have been pinging off last night
when the All Blacks are in trouble with support for Hoskins,

(01:21:45):
and I'm sure someone probably added Razor into the group
chat there for a bit, you know, just to troll them.
But now they can they can calm down for another week.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Good man, and we'll chat to you in a week
from today as well. James always love chatting to you, mate.
James mcconey big part of our Sunday afternoons here on
Weekend Sport, follow him on socials, listen to him in
the Alternative Commentary Collective and across the crowd goes wild
as well. It is seven to two News talksipp.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
The Schoon from the track Field and the Court on
your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
News Talks in B.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Three and a half away from two will Change Tech
After two. Thank you for all your texts. I as
I often say, we can't read them all out, but
we do read them all and we really appreciate you
taking the time to articulate your thoughts. After two, our
Road to Paris feature continues Athens Gold Medalist and the
triathlon Hamish Kater.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 28 (01:22:55):
A b.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Hello and welcome back into the show. It's coming up
seven past two. I'm Jason Pine Andy McDonald alongside. This
is Weekend Sport from Dunedin, Sunday, July seven another and
then we'll hand it over to Tim Beverage for the
Weekend Collective our Road to Paris feature. We've really loved
bringing you these wanders down memory lane remembering some of
the great Olympic moments of years gone by. Hamish Carter

(01:23:21):
is the owner of a gold medal that he won
in triathlon in two thousand and four. A pretty special
race that one. Because Bevan Doherty, a fellow key, we
picked up the silver medal. The two of them stride
for stride for long parts of the run at the
end of the triathlon before Hamish Carter pulled away and
won by a few seconds. He's with us shortly to

(01:23:42):
reminis a little bit about that and what chance does
he give Hayden Wilde of emulating him when Paris rolls
around in the men's triathlon. The Melbourne Cup is in
New Zealand, it's on tour and the keeper of the
Cup is a man by the name of Joe McGrath
who is in charge of this very precious piece of cargo.
He's going to pop into the studio to join us

(01:24:04):
this hour as well, and we'll mop up remaining All
Blacks chat, including a few of the comments from Scott
robertson the day after he's fronted media this morning with
a few thoughts on various matters. You can get in
touch whenever you like via text nine two ninety two
or on the phone, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But as we always do it around about this time

(01:24:26):
on weekend sport, we like to bring you up to date,
but the things that you might have missed, and we're
focused almost exclusively on the All Blacks today on the show,
so we want to make sure that you know there
was other sport happening in the last little while, starting
in the NRL, and we did touch on it with
James mcconey. Heartbreak for the Warriors last night. Did they
go early?

Speaker 27 (01:24:46):
They will twice said one way, love the pain, lose.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
Every post as a winner for Dundy Button.

Speaker 29 (01:25:00):
Chattafrey are an absolute miracle at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, golden point lost for the Warriors. The Storm meantime
got the expected result against the Lowly Tigers. The bet'll
jewess here tonight as the siren sounds and Melbourne twelve
point winners forty points to twenty eight. They've taken down
the Tigers and Manly got out a jarl against the Cowboys.

Speaker 29 (01:25:28):
Here it comes Terry Evans for thirty he has Here's
the greatest, here's.

Speaker 27 (01:25:35):
The best golden point closuring the game.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
It's daily Terrans, the seventh time he has won a
game for Male.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
After the eighty minute back here they won. At twenty
one twenty the Sea Eagles over the Cowboys to rugby union.
The Wallabies have started the Joe Schmidt era with a
win over Wales. Tom right right cuts crossfield right dunnis
and goes straight through.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
I think you'd be quick enough to get.

Speaker 27 (01:26:03):
On the line.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Jo twenty five sixteen Australia over Wales. Japan with an
historic rugby result.

Speaker 7 (01:26:14):
Has pence an excellent rugby structured haven't overplayed their hand and.

Speaker 29 (01:26:21):
Now is the moment for Japan rugby a special night
at Toyota Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
For the first time.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
They have beaten the Marii.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Or Blacks by twenty six points to fourteen and South
Africa too strong for Ireland.

Speaker 30 (01:26:41):
Put the knock on cords. Haven't heard this Island against
that time of Yes, it is South Africa. I have
done it after la Yes, they had.

Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
A victory.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Against Lands twenty seven to twenty the spring box winning
that one in France continue their golden era with a
win over Argentina.

Speaker 30 (01:27:04):
Knocked into touch by a French side which deserves to
celebrate a quality.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Victory here in Mendoza by twenty eight points to thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Let's go to the round ball and the Euro's. England
are through to the semifinals.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
Just and England.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Ireland to the semifinals. Alexander Arnold with an arrow.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
Into the natswer and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Having fit on the cusp of coming out, England have
rescued themselves again. Yeah, I've won it on penalties after
it was one all, after full time and extra time.
They'll faced the Netherlands who had to come from behind
to beat Turkey Simons dog Fries.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
It's small home.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I'm from behind the Netherlands.

Speaker 27 (01:27:54):
Lean Coding got Cole right.

Speaker 7 (01:27:57):
On the line.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Let's go to our under seventeen basketballers who found the
going just a bit too tough against the United States overnight.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
As the USC.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Deal with New Zealand like they have dealt with all
the other members of this competition.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
Sixty five to one hundred of forty five.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Yeah, a disappointing result for New Zealand, but they still
get to play off the third against Turkey. To sports
with wheels involved, Biiam Gurmet doubled his career to a
the front stage wins.

Speaker 29 (01:28:30):
Now they really start to kick for the finish forty four.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Kilometers an hour.

Speaker 27 (01:28:35):
It's a sheer power uphill sprint for the finish.

Speaker 5 (01:28:38):
It's gonna be bidim Gami.

Speaker 10 (01:28:41):
Two stage wins for the Green Jersey in the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Tour, it's all Britton. At the uk GP qualifiers, George.

Speaker 6 (01:28:49):
Russell snatches Poe from Lewis Hamilton.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Can Norris do anything about pits he has pitted.

Speaker 7 (01:28:55):
It's a Mercedes one two on the gred of Silverstone.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
It's a British one two.

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
Three for the first time ever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
And finally the guers ain't Van Gisberg and he must
really love Chicago now.

Speaker 26 (01:29:11):
He was a maverick coming in and it's very difficult
to be able to perform with that much pressure. But
I'm guessing that Auckland, New Zealand is his favorite city.
But number two on the list has to be Chicago.
She Ben Gibsbergen is gonna do it again.

Speaker 27 (01:29:26):
He went to Chicago there on Newsyland in the home straight,
Head Gone old.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
Jeewe's have won.

Speaker 27 (01:29:35):
At all.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
Weekends for Road to Paris twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
And Paris is coming into sight only a couple of
weeks before the Olympic Games get underway in Paris, and
in the last few weeks we've been, I guess walking
the Road to Paris, but really looking back at some
of the best ever Olympic results by New Zealanders. Our
best ever Olympic triathlon result came in two thousand and

(01:30:05):
four in Ethens.

Speaker 29 (01:30:06):
He's kicking clear of Bevan Dougherty in Away he goes
Hamers Carter back, he comes onto the blue carpet. They
won't catch Hamers Carter now, and I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
They'll catch Bevan Dougherty down.

Speaker 29 (01:30:17):
He comes Hams Carter about to win the gold medal
and the men's triathan across the finish line try for
New Zealand's fist gold.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Medal for Hamos Carter.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
It hasn't finished yet. Silver medal for New Zealand one
and two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
In the men's try. In one of our most iconic
sporting moments, two Kiwi's battled out for gold and silver
in the men's triathlon, Hamish Carter crossing in one hour
fifty one minute, seven point seven to three seconds, Bevan
Dougherty just eight seconds behind. It was New Zealand's first
and so far only gold medal in Olympic triathlon. Hamish

(01:30:57):
Carter went on to place sixth at the two thousand
and six Melbourne Commonwealth Games, having won Commonwealth Games bronze
in Manchester in two thousand and two. He was second
at the six World Championships behind Britain Tim Donn, who
was suspended shortly after that for missing three out of
competition drug tests. In October of two thousand and six,

(01:31:19):
Hamish Carter won the ex Terror World Championship in Mali, Hawaii,
beating a field of more experienced off road triathletes. In
March of two thousand and seven, he announced his retirement.
He won the Sportsman of the Year award in two
thousand and four and was named an Officer of the
New Zealand Order of Merit in the two thousand and
five New Year's Honors. Hamish Carter is with us on

(01:31:42):
Weekend Sport. Hard to believe it's been twenty years, Hamish, Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
Yeah, funny, it feels like in a lifetime ago that
popping up and it's a great memory. But yeah, I've
definitely move danced in those times. But it was a
pretty awesome period of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Well, I want to go straight to that race for
Golden athen You were thirty third after the swim. You
moved up into a leading group of six after the bike.
Can you pick it up for us At the start
of the run, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
It was a pretty hot day and I was definitely
feeling good. I prepared really well and when we come
off the bike, we we we set off pretty fast
and quickly. There was about three of us that formed
at the front and it was funny because you know,

(01:32:38):
at that point it felt like we started to get
control of the race, but there was also that nagging
scense that you know had been there, had the rest
of the world behind me, but I had another new
yonder beside me.

Speaker 22 (01:32:56):
So it was.

Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
And look, Vivi and I, you know, Devin came along
later in my career, and it was a really important
to push me, you know, further, because I didn't want
him to be me. And so the rivalry was a
really really powerful component I think of both of our success.
And then Vivian had won the World Chance that year

(01:33:22):
in two thousand and four, so I was I was
pretty desperate to make sure it shouldn't be me. And
then the process, we'd done the damage on the rest
of the field. So and yeah, the run was. We
stayed together for quite a long the run until eight
hundred meters to go, and then we started to throw
a few attacks, went down and I managed to roll

(01:33:45):
over the top of him and get a gap, and
off I went.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
What gave you that edge? What gave you that ability
to to with eight hundred meters left and what was
already a grueling race in the heat, Where did you
find the ability to kick from there?

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
I think the main the main part of that was
my preparation had been really good and so you know,
I'd practice not that scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
But.

Speaker 6 (01:34:18):
Yeah, I'd really looked after myself and conserve my energy
throughout the race, and I'd been well acclimatized to the heat.
But I think being more mature, I'd separated my performance
from the emotion that can take over. So it's quite
a clinical delivery, and I kind of think it's you know,
it took me a long time, but I understood the

(01:34:40):
event I was in and what it took to win,
and I'd practiced, you know, delivering that sort of performance,
and so it was it was quite a natural. It
is a natural thing. It wasn't that incredible. It was
just what I trained to do. So yeah, I think
that that was key to my success.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
I've watch the closing stages of the race and the
lead up to chatting to you, and you look so
much in control once you get the break on Bevan Dougherty.
Is that the way it felt once you'd open up
that that five or six second gap on him? Did
you know you had it one?

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:35:16):
No, Because it's funnily enough, it wasn't actually about winning
the race.

Speaker 18 (01:35:23):
I was.

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
My goal in that race was to produce a really
good performance. Like because of suddenly I didn't feel like
I delivered what I was capable of. So I wanted
to meet my own expectations, which was pretty high. But
and so I kind of reveled in that challenge as
to how fast can I run? And it's yeah, considering

(01:35:46):
how tired I feel and how hot it is, And
so it was a real technical delivery of my performance
and trying to get control of the race. Yeah, Bevan's
a phenomenal competitor, so he he might be down and
you might get a gap, but he'll come back and
get you. So I had to be sure that he

(01:36:07):
wasn't going to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
You mentioned Sydney. There home if she'd been to the
Sydney Olympics in two thousand, you were ranked number one
in the world. It didn't go to plan. You finished
twenty sixth in Sydney. What happened in Sydney, Oh a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
I think I wasn't. I didn't really understand the event
I was racing, even though I was world number one,
and you think you'd understand it, right, But as an athlete,
I needed that event or disappointment to happen. It made
me rethink everything I was doing, even the sort of

(01:36:44):
person I was, So I did have to reassess everything.
And it was kind of a shock that I needed
because I was good, but I wasn't ready for that
big race in the environment of the Olympic, which is
pretty unique and everything that comes with it. So it

(01:37:05):
was a blessing and like I would never have achieved
in essence if Sydney hadn't happened like it did. And
it's painful, right, but necessary. And I guess you know,
I learned a lot about performance through that experience, because oh,
I just came to realize that win. Thing wasn't about
the winning. It's actually what you do when you when

(01:37:28):
you completely stuff things up and how you respond. I
think that's far more powerful than winning a race.

Speaker 9 (01:37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
So yeah, it was just I somehow turned into my
advantage and so that was a really important part I
had to be able to do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Yeah, I mean, and that shows an enormous amount of
an ability to self reflect because you know, as you say,
you went into two into two thousand, I'm sure with
very high hopes which weren't weren't realized. You know, they
say you've got to lose one to win one, and
you certainly did that. But what's there a point after
Sydney where you thought, you know what, I'm I'm not

(01:38:05):
going to get on or were you always going to
carry on?

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
Yeah, I definitely had a year. I didn't want to
go back because it was such an awful feeling. But
you know, you've got to have really good people around you.
I had a fantastic coach that brought me through to
me with Dat Rolston taught me so much and then
I started working with Chris Plain And a big thing
that Chris did was when I got back from Sydney,

(01:38:32):
I had every excuse under the book wide and won,
but he was he was strong enough to sort of
just turn to me and say, the only reason you
didn't win is you were good enough. And that sounds
like a simple statement, but it forces you to face
what you don't want to and you've got to grow

(01:38:53):
from that. And so you know, the role that Chris
played and my coach Mike Boone, you know these sort
of people and Mercy wife, they all played a massive
role in help me, helping I had to learn from it,
but also, you know, to face something that was really painful.
And anyhow, it's a republic, right, so you it's not

(01:39:17):
a great feeling, but it's necessary sometimes and you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
To go through it absolutely well. It obviously did the
trick when it came to Athens taking it back home.
If you were a rower at school, how and why
did you transition into triathlon.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
I know, I think it wasn't by design, but I look,
I just I wanted to represent New zeal on that
highest level and I thought I could do it in rowing.
And then I realized when I left school that role
was a massive and I wasn't And I was like,
I was like, you've got to be king. I've got

(01:39:53):
to find a sport where I can be good. And
you know, at the time, we had some you know,
world class athletes, Rick Wells and Aaron Baker, and there
was a sport that was new but will have just
the world and I mean it's crazy, right like a
small patch in like New Zealand, we have these athletes
who are just the best, and so it's quite aspirational

(01:40:17):
as a sport that if you like, okay, if that's
if you can do it, I want to do that too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
And you got very good, very quickly. Was it just
something that you talked to or did you like of
the three things. Were you already a good runner, a
good swimmer and a good cyclist or did you have
to work hard at one or more of them?

Speaker 6 (01:40:38):
I think I was just lucky to get some really
great coaching early on. I'd learned so much from rowing
about what it took to be to work hard and
to overcome setbacks and to suffer and and you know,
trying to recover and stuff like that. So, yeah, all
the bowling box are there. I mean, anyone who rode

(01:41:01):
it Maddy Cup, it's probably done a couple of lumpacs.
And the fort five years I've been at it's it's
a ridiculous sport. It's so intense to.

Speaker 20 (01:41:08):
Be fair, but.

Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
It's a fast track to Yeah that, And so I
just lead a lot from sending my time there.

Speaker 8 (01:41:18):
I was always a.

Speaker 6 (01:41:21):
I had access to, as I said, the good coaches
and and all. That makes a mass of difference.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
What was your favorite and least favorite of the three?

Speaker 6 (01:41:32):
The problem is try some is the three disciplines tag
pull in different directions, and well, actually, nowadays affects are
so good that I have a weakness, which is pretty
cool to watch. But when when I was racing, if
we swim really fast, you generally ran like durably if
you if you're running really well, you couldn't film that well.
And then if you're good on a bike, you know,

(01:41:55):
good sitelists can't run off of them. So it was
a tug of war. I got to find a balance
and figure out what's the right next and how do
I prepare myself that some of the performance that gonna
win the race. And so again my coaches worked hard
to try and figure that puzzle out. And so we
swam badly in Athens, but we It was a calculator

(01:42:18):
risk because I sort of felt it would be a
tough ride, but then the run was going to be
a war of attrition and that was that suited me.

Speaker 10 (01:42:26):
So we got it right.

Speaker 11 (01:42:28):
It was great.

Speaker 6 (01:42:29):
It was a riskue but it worked out.

Speaker 18 (01:42:30):
It did.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
What's it like standing up on top of that podium
and hearing the national anthem play?

Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
Oh, it's special, Like you just can't describe it. It's
a moment in time and it's forever. So I mean
mostly I think when you're from New Zealand, you do
feel the whole country is behind you, which is good
and bad, and you know that everyone takes so much

(01:42:58):
from when we are successful. You know, the whole country
gets behind that late even when we're six and all
the things like music and business and the arts and sport.
We have so much success across every genre. And how
cool is that when an he's yonder does that sort
of wins and goes out there and beats the outs.

(01:43:18):
And I think we're always trying to do that, and
it's kind of in our DNA, and so I think
be part of that, and people take so much joy
from it. It's a it's a beautiful thing. I mean
it's brutal and it's hard, and there's a lot of disappointment,
but it's worth the risk.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
How do you, says heiden Wald's chances of emulating you
in Paris?

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
Ah, I think Hayden, It's what I did with irrelevant
Hayden right. Firstly, Secondly, Hayden's an incredible athlete, you know,
a lot better than I was, and he has worked
incredibly hard. He's got a great team around him, has
every chance to but yeah, I just I don't want

(01:44:02):
to put any pressure on him. I just think he
he's amazing and I just want to watch him go
there and deliver his this performance and anythings possible because
he's he's done it all. Like what he can do
in a race is incredible. So now I wish him
and the whole team with a lot of success because
I know how hard it all worked.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Just to finish. Same question I've asked all of our
guests on this feature, where is your gold medal?

Speaker 6 (01:44:28):
Like I think most gold medals, it's a soft draw
in a little oak leaves sunglass bag and it comes
out and people I haven't look at it. Yeah, yeah,
I think you should actually save the whole country or not.
Sorry everyone has got one and say where is it?
Because yeah, they always tend enough for the same places

(01:44:49):
as that word, but they.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Just do well that it's so odd you say that.
I think you're about the eighth or ninth guest I've
had on the s feet chair and everybody you said
exactly the same thing. Some of them they have to
think a little bit about it. But you're right, it's
in a socdraw or somewhere, or it's out the back,
or it's you know, it's somewhere that's it's not certainly
the first thing you see when you walk in that
person's front door. It's not displayed prominently, which I think

(01:45:11):
is very key. We and I think it's really cool
that that that it's very understated as it is in
your case.

Speaker 6 (01:45:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's so key. We a that kind of
holds it back a little bit. We should celebrate our
success more, but it's who we.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Are, so you know, Sealovi indeed indeed, Well, it's been
great to celebrate a bit and reminis a bit with you. Hamish. Congratulations,
I'm bringing us so much joy twenty years ago in
Athens and for taking a wander down memory laid on
our road to Paris today. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 6 (01:45:39):
Yeah, no way, thanks again, jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
No, thank you, Hamish. Hamish card of there the latest
guest on our road to Paris, which is quickly coming
to an end. I think we'll have two more guests,
I would say, on the road to Paris. The Olympics
themselves underway on about what the twenty fifth, twenty sixth
of July, So two more sundays when we'll chat with
two more of our great Olympians and celebrate their success,
and then we'll look forward to Paris twenty twenty four.

(01:46:04):
And I guess the magical mode that will be created,
we hope by our athletes at the Paris Olympic Games
in terms of coverage of those games. Incidentally, we're a
radio partner here at News Talks. He'd be of the
Olympics and in particular our sister station Gold Sport will
have through the night commentary of the Paris Olympic Games

(01:46:27):
right through the fourteen to fifteen to sixteen days of competition.
Not exactly sure how many days there are, but however
many there are, we will be providing you with through
the night, wall to wall commentary of not only the
New Zealand athletes taking part in Paris, but the other
notable events as well. So if you're an insomniac or
you just love your sport, then you've got a treat

(01:46:48):
coming up. When the Paris Olympic Games roll around half
past two, we'll take a break and then the Keeper
of the Cup, the Melbourne Cup, that is it is
on tour in New Zealand, escorted by the Keeper of
the Cup. His name is Joe mcgrah. He's in studio
right after.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
This some more than just a game weekends for it
with Jason Vine and TJ.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
Gardnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Home builder news Dogs be coming up twenty six away
from three. The Melbourne Cup, one of world sports most
iconic trophies, is on tour in New Zealand under the
watchful eye of Joe mcgrah who was keeper of the Cup.
Joe has responsibility for the eighteen carrot Gold seven hundred
and fifty thousand Australian dollar Melbourne Cup trophy whenever it

(01:47:36):
goes on to it. He's the first person to hold
this role and has been doing it since the tour
started with the Melbourne Cup back in two thousand and three.
He stopped into the studio. Good to see you, Joe.
How did you get the job?

Speaker 28 (01:47:49):
Well, Ponty probably lucky in many ways and a few
fortunate things happened, and someone actually said, we're going to
take the trophy on the road, would you like to
have a chat about it on the road. So I
did that back in two thousand and three Makaibe divers
first and Cup and it was a resounding success. And

(01:48:12):
since then I've managed the event and look, it's been
a labor of love if you want to call it that,
and you know, really privileged to hold the role.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
I want to talk a bit about traveling with such
a you know, a prestigious and valuable piece of cargo.
But does your association with racing go back? All we wait,
Yes it does.

Speaker 28 (01:48:34):
My family book making horse breeding media even got a
nephew who's now training at the moment. So yeah, Look,
I grew up with it, and I was the youngest
of seven, and I had a brother, have a brother, Jim,
who was a race caller in Europe, and pretty much
grew up with you know, form guides and hearing the

(01:48:58):
breakfast shows on a Saturday morning in the kitchen. And
I sort of thought everyone lived this lifestyle, I thought
until I went over to a few friends at school
and realized that none of them turned on to the
same thing. So yeah, I suppose it's from you know,
just being brought up with it. And yet we had
a bit of success with horse breeding. And I suppose

(01:49:21):
my family had a runner in the nineteen sixty seven
Melbourne Cup, which led about one hundred and fifty meters
from the post Piny and came from dun Eden, was
bred in dun Eden down that way, and the Diddams
bred the horse, and yeah, you know it was amazing.
She was a mayor that went on to stud and

(01:49:41):
was a great producer. And I think that's where it
bit me at about the age of twelve or thirteen,
and I haven't been able to shake it since.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Well, you sound like the perfect demand to be the
keeper of the cup. Interested in how the Melbourne Cup travels,
what special requirements are there, what special measures are in
place to assure that, as I said before, precious piece
of cargo is okay.

Speaker 28 (01:50:05):
Well, I was supposed to the you know, the obvious
one would be to have security where we're doing public
events and making sure that it's safe and looked after.
But I suppose you know the flip side of all
that traveling it around, it's trying to be as nondescript
as you can be, don't draw any attention to yourself.

(01:50:25):
It does need its own paperwork as it goes out
of the country, so call it a passport which needs
to go through all the authorities and get stamped and
stamped on the way out, stamped on the way back in.
So I think you know they're they're the sort of protocols,
but certainly you know wearing the gloves is a key
moment you know, key protocol as well in terms of

(01:50:48):
protecting the gold, because I mean, it is eighteen carrot gold,
and you know, you sort of got to remind yourself
it's the most precious metal on the planet and it's
gone through the roof and now the trophies with eight
hundred and forty thousand New Zealand dollars, so you know,
you've got to make sure remind yourself just to keep
it in good order.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
See you don't carry it onto the plane, though, do
you It goes in the in the hold, does it?
You know what are you not allowed to say? Are
you not allowed to say?

Speaker 7 (01:51:18):
No? No, no, no.

Speaker 28 (01:51:19):
I would never do that. I'd never put it down
the hold.

Speaker 6 (01:51:21):
I don't think.

Speaker 28 (01:51:22):
I don't know if you've traveled lately, but your luggage
could end up over the other side of the world.
So I don't know how i'd be about a Melbourne
cup going down the back of the plane.

Speaker 26 (01:51:31):
So we do.

Speaker 28 (01:51:32):
We're fortunate that it is the size that it is.
It's thirty eight centimeters tall, pretty compact, and it can
travel as over head luggage and right a weighs three
point eight five kilos, so all those you know, specifications
sort of fit in the with the airlines in taking

(01:51:53):
over head luggage. So let's just say we know where
it is at all times, and it's not far from
us as we travel.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
I feel like it should have its own seat, But
then again, that would probably draw attention to it, wouldn't it.
As you say, you've got to almost want it to be,
you know, a little bit nondescript. Sorry about all the
travel questions, But do you put it through that? You
know we have to put our bags through the scanner
as we go through. Surely it gets an exemption from that.

Speaker 28 (01:52:19):
No, you just put it through the You just I
always love to see the security people that because they
see a lot of different items come through and then
when they see it, they stop and then they look
at it. And then it's got a three D sort
of scanner that can go all different angles, and then they.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Look at you and go, yep, it is.

Speaker 28 (01:52:38):
And you know, most are just intrigued as to what
the trophy represents. And you know, because some parts of
the world they've never heard of it or never heard
of you know, there may not be into horse racing necessarily,
and but other places they just sail on through and
next you know, it's it's sort of how it goes.
But now look at it. You know, we always, you know,

(01:53:00):
look after it and make sure that it's it's safe
as we travel, and the easiest way to do that
is make sure it's.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
You absolutely well, we all know it's the race that
stops not just your nation but ours as well, the
race that stops two nations. Why do you think, Joe,
the Melbourne Cup is still so special, still so iconic
and a very crowded sporting landscape.

Speaker 28 (01:53:20):
Now, well, I think it's you know, horse racing goes
back a long way in both Australia and New Zealand,
and you know the first New Zealand bred horse goes
back to eighteen eighty three with Martini Henry, and there's
forty four New Zealand bred horses that have won the race.
And you know you put in a few icons in
there as like Farlap in nineteen thirty and Carbine and

(01:53:44):
eighteen ninety. You know, there's there's strong history and I think,
you know, I personally think from an Australian perspective, there's
certain things that you know part of your cultural identity
and I would certainly think the Ansacs are very much
part of that. The baggy green cap is also in that,
and you know the surf life say also, and I

(01:54:08):
would throw I put the Melbourne Cup as part of
what we've all grown up with and becomes part of
your cultural identity. And I think once you start, you know,
playing around with any of those, I call them virtually untouchables.
You know, you just don't want to mess around with them.
Once you start doing that, everyone gets a little bit

(01:54:30):
antsy about it, you know, don't you touch that? You know,
this is I grew up with that, you know, and
it means a far lap and so you you know,
these are the things and we're around it, you know,
all the time. But once you do get on the
road you start to see, you know, people's reactions and

(01:54:51):
what it means to them. You gain an appreciation. I
said on that first tour back in two thousand and three,
I said, and the committee quiz me as to you
know what the response was, and I said, look, it's
it's not a sporting icon. It it's a cultural phenomenon.
I mean like it it's you know, you go out

(01:55:12):
to different parts of Australia in particular, they know more
about it than you do.

Speaker 5 (01:55:16):
And it's and you.

Speaker 28 (01:55:20):
Get you're not selling it into them.

Speaker 10 (01:55:21):
They know it.

Speaker 28 (01:55:23):
It's and I can't work out how seven eight year
olds know who Farlap is and they do. Just fascinated.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Do you have a favorite Melbourne Cup race?

Speaker 28 (01:55:34):
Look, I think I've been to a number of Melbourne
Cups since the mid seventies onwards. But look, I think
the historical part of it is what fascinates me. And
I would have loved to have been there for Farlaps
nineteen thirty Melbourne Cup. Look, and you know, I've come
to enjoy the many stories connected over that one hundred

(01:55:55):
and sixty three year period. And I often say to
people they often go to Makaybe Diva and Farlap, and
I say the first third, the first thirty forty years
history of the Melbourne Cup is quite fascinating. And they
were boom times in Melbourne and some pretty you know,
unique horses like Archer winning back to back, you know,

(01:56:17):
the barb and I mean there was a horse called
bryce Is in eighteen seventy six of Philly that won
the Derby on the Saturday, the Cup on the Tuesday,
and the Oaks on the Thursday, and the Cup winner
was ridden by an eleven year old eleven Peterson Auburns.
Tom Hales rode Bryce's in the Derby and the Oaks,

(01:56:39):
but couldn't get down to the lightweight in the Cup.
And I mean there's some really, I mean you it's
hard to believe, but a lot of younger riders were
engaged in that. You know, they didn't now you, they
won't let you ride in a race until you're over
sixteen or thereabouts, certainly in Australia, but way back you know,

(01:57:02):
they utilized a lot younger jockey. So there's you know
that early history carbine carrying, you know, huge weight of
sixty five and a half kilos in eighteen ninety and
you know all everything that went around that period of time,
you know, is what I find what intrigues me about
the race. And you start to unearth the different characters

(01:57:25):
that were involved, you learn a lot about Australian history,
let alone New Zealand history as well.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
I'll be just another protocol question. Does the just the
owner or the winning owner or the syndicate that owns
the winning horse get to have the cup overnight? Do
they actually get to assume ownership of it temporarily or not.

Speaker 5 (01:57:46):
Well.

Speaker 28 (01:57:46):
I can remember when I had my first child and
at the hospital and once you have the baby, everyone
leaves the room and it's like, hang on, is anyone
going to help us here? It's like it's a bit
like that. It's like you're on your own and they
go and I actually, you know, we talk to our

(01:58:08):
security on course, I say, look, just follow them for
the next few hours because they don't know what they've
actually won until they've got it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:17):
And then and some of them just.

Speaker 28 (01:58:19):
Walk out of a bar and just leave it. It's like,
hang on, this is yours. You've got to look after it.
So once they're off the course and they go off
to somewhere in the city at no doubt and party
till the early hours.

Speaker 5 (01:58:36):
It is there.

Speaker 28 (01:58:37):
I make sure I don't look at my phone for
the next two days because sometimes there's ah, well this
sort of happened or that happened. I go, I don't
want to know about that, really, but we make sure
we give them every assistance up until a point.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
Yep, brilliant Joe. It's a pilgrimage. I know many Keywis
have made. It's on the bucket list of many keywis
as well to get across on the first Tuesday of
November and taken a you know, a day at the
Melbourne Cup at Flemington. Just a just absolutely iconic. It's
such a pleasure to have you in New Zealand with
your precious cargo. Travel well and look forward to catching

(01:59:17):
up again sometime.

Speaker 28 (01:59:18):
Thanks Piney. And I think I should shout out to
Mark Twain who is a leading light and Maharajan that
are both looking like they'll head over to Flemington, So
if anyone's interested, certainly follow them over. I'm sure they're
going to give a good sight on that first Tuesday November.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Top manager. Great to see you, thanks for coming in,
Thanks Piney. Thanks Joe Joe McGrath, keeper of the Cup.
The Melbourne Cup No. Less fourteen to three News Talks MB.

Speaker 5 (01:59:46):
From Venrose to Varus.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
You like to call on eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty weekends for it with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardnerholmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home Builder News SOGSB.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Two forty nine. Let's just circle back to the All
Blacks to finish. Scott Robertson as I mentioned earlier in
the show, has fronted media the small on a range
of issues. Just wanted to get you across the situation
with injury. So what is the situation with t J,
pet Nada and other injuries in the All Black squad?

Speaker 10 (02:00:16):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (02:00:16):
Yes, TJ. He's great, he's working up an awesome condition.
But we'll scan in this afternoon.

Speaker 17 (02:00:22):
He h.

Speaker 23 (02:00:26):
I hope it's one of those ones that look worse
than it actually is. So we'll know definitely tomorrow morning.
But we've got pens and past if he's not right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
To those players include bringing in someone.

Speaker 5 (02:00:37):
New here that's great from the game.

Speaker 23 (02:00:44):
Yeah, yeah, everyone's good. We had a pretty good medical
clinic there and everyone's pretty everyone's pretty good to my
Penny goes to his h Ai protocols really well is
right on.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
So a couple of players that Scott Robertson was asked about,
first of all, Ardie Savere upon his return from Japan
without any super rugby.

Speaker 23 (02:01:05):
He was straight back on as professionalism has been incredible,
you know, as role as a vice captain and how
he supported and when he stood up you know a
couple of great turnovers as you know he can do
and a couple of half carries off solowball, so you
look he stood.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
Up and Boden Barrett another to return from Japan.

Speaker 23 (02:01:25):
Yeah, great cameo, wasn't it. A couple of nice touches
off his foot, some good guidance and those circles around
the leadership side or really peace from just what we
needed at the right time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
That is the voice, of course of Scott Robertson, head
coach of the All Blacks. One from one so one
hundred percent at the moment. That's some thinking to do,
no doubt. Ahead of the second Test against England next
Saturday at Eden Park. Of course we will have a
full life commentary of that game for you and we
can't support will come to you from Eden Park next Saturday.
As we build towards the second Test of the year

(02:01:57):
nine to three new stalks ed.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
Be analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting
world weekends for it with Jason Pie.

Speaker 5 (02:02:05):
They're all always under news Talk Zenby.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
But you might have to wait for next week to
call that number if you want to talk some sport,
because that is us on weekend sport for another Sunday
and another weekend. Massive thanks to everybody who took the
time to call in and to text a message through
or send one via email. As I said before, we
can't read them all out. We do read them all though,
and we greatly appreciate your time and your opinion. Tim

(02:02:30):
Beverage on the radio after three o'clock. I'm back on
Sports Talk tomorrow night. Between Saturday eight, no doubt there'll
be some more All Blacks chat and then next weekend,
as I say, we'll be in Auckland for Test two
of the year with the All Blacks up against England
Eden Park next Saturday night at five past seven. Big
thanks to Andy McDonald for producing the show and manning
the phones on a particularly busy day. Thanks mate, enjoy

(02:02:51):
the rest of your day. To take us out a
song today. Well, a lot of the conversation, excuse me
after last night was about the timer or the lack
of the timer, and the counting down of the clock
that eventually denied Damien McKenzie the chance to take that
shot at goal. So I've gone with cold plays. There

(02:03:13):
is a flimsy length phoney and there's a flumsy leg
I've gone with cold plaze clocks. They did also play
at glasson bree in the last little while. So there's
another little layer or strand of relevance there makes it okay,
then it doesn't sure. Then look, you know, I get
the song on a Sunday, you get along the Saturday.
We should stay in our lanes, stay in our respective lanes.
I apologize, Poney. Alright, this clock's by cold plate. See

(02:03:37):
Tomorrow Night, wife an out.

Speaker 27 (02:03:49):
Where Where where I wants it?

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
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