Full Show Podcast: 14 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Cal To good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday edition
of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. For July fourteen,
of the.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
All Blacks neck very closer whistle.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
They just need to get it into tuts.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
Jamie mckint picks and a tuts and the All Blacks
When twenty four seventeen.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
A dramatic finish at eight in part.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
But the record safe and the All Blacks win the
series tournel and another drama film.

Speaker 6 (00:58):
Test match between these two sides.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I want to call from Elliot Smith last night. I'm
Jason Pine Show producer Annie McDonald. We're here till three
to two of the All blackshear in the books All
Blacks twenty four England seventeen. Boden Barrett aresily magnificent. I'd
go so far as to say his impact swung and
then won the game for the All Blacks last night
forty nine Test matches without defeat now at Eden part

(01:23):
But that's not to say that there aren't things to discuss.
We're going to break it all down together this afternoon,
joined shortly by former All Black center Frank Buntz, the
postmatch thoughts of Boden Barrett and debutante halfback Cortes of
Artima some day after audio from Scott robertson as well.
But your calls and feedback are rarely what I'm after.
If I'm honest, linees open right away and right across

(01:47):
the show to get your All Blacks feedback. Other matters
around today as the twenty twenty four Olympic Games start
to come into sharp focus now just eleven days away.
Our Road to Paris feature continues after two, joined in
studio by five time Olympian Dame Valerie Adams, looking forward
to catching up with day Valerie. After two, The Black

(02:08):
Ferns take on Australia this afternoon at Brisbane, New Zealand,
loose forward Lucy Jenkins with us after two, and the
Euro Final tomorrow morning England v Spain. Is it coming home?
We'll preview that with football writer Dominic Fifield out of
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Speaker 1 (02:46):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
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Speaker 7 (02:52):
They call eight hundred and eighty eighty News Talks.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
eNB crossfield kick looking for Tommy Freeman.

Speaker 8 (02:58):
Freeman right is hi.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
Tommy Freeman takes its England.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
Right just on halftime.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Terrific athleticism from Tommy Freeman, scoring England's second try just
before halftime last night, giving them a fourteen thirteen lead
at the break. Mark Dealaya's second try in the second
half and Damien McKenzie's two penalties getting the All Blacks
home though twenty four points to seventeen fifty five tests
sixty nine game. Former All Black center Frank Buntz was
in the New Stalks hed B commentary Box alongside Elliott

(03:27):
Smith last night, he joins us. Now, Frank, can we
start with Bowden Barrett's influence. How key was he to
the result when he introduced himself into the game with
about half an hour ago?

Speaker 9 (03:40):
Well, I think he was the key. You know, we
were floundering for a bit there and we needed the spark,
you know, and he came on and gave gave the
energy as did I won't take away from Courtiers Rumk either,
but you know Bodie came on and you know we
saw him back to to his best. Really, you know,

(04:02):
it was a spark that we needed, had energy and
you know, his his experience as well. You know, he
just knew where to be and when to be there
and what to do, so you know, really got us
out of a hole.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I think, why do you think that spark was missing
before he came on?

Speaker 8 (04:20):
Yeah, it's a hard one.

Speaker 9 (04:21):
It's sometimes you know, you get into games and it's
not taken away from England either, because you know, they
force the game that they play. You know, they force
you into into doing a lot of things that you
don't want to do, and it just takes one individual
and you know it may even be only one moment,
but it was. It certainly wasn't lack of effort. I think,

(04:44):
you know from the All Blacks, but things just weren't clicking.
And you know, I don't know what it is, but
someone comes on and it takes. It takes one kick,
it takes one tackle, that takes it's one moment, and
you know, I think that's what people talk about, is winning,
you know, in those games, it's it's winning the moments,
winning the little things, you know, and that's all it

(05:08):
takes to turn people around.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Earlier in the game, how worried were you that the
thirty year unbeaten straight at Aden Park was going to fall.

Speaker 9 (05:20):
Not so much in the first half, but certainly in
the second half. And I did say to Elliott that
I was. I was thinking, you know, to myself, I
was thinking, Man, we're going to lose this. It's looking
like we were going to lose it. Then I looked
up and and I only the only reason I didn't
say it was because there was you know, there was
I think it was only about fifteen minutes into the

(05:41):
second half or something like that, and I was thinking,
it's too early. It's too early early to make a
call like that, but I did think it, so I
wasn't yeah, and I wasn't even worried about the you know,
the thirty years I was worried about losing the game,
you know, at that time. But I actually played in
that that game thirty years ago too, which makes me

(06:04):
feel like, you know, a way lot older now. But uh,
you know that the good thing is that we we
we crawled our way out, you know, and and had
some good moments, finished a whole lot stronger, and I
think the English did fade, you know a bit once
the all black onslaughts sort of came and then you know,

(06:28):
enabled us to get away. But certainly it did cross
my mind we were going to lose that test.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
He talked about Bodie obviously, and he's he's the headline today.
But Courtiz without coming on probably a bit earlier than
he would have expected us and like Christie having to
go off with an h I A. How impressed were
you with courtiz on debut?

Speaker 8 (06:47):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (06:47):
Great?

Speaker 9 (06:48):
You know, he's he's just carried on from his from
his super rugby form and he's been he's been there
for you know a couple of years. He's been a
young fellow. But you know he's he's been there or
thereabouts for for a number of years now, so you know,
really he and he was a part of it. I
mean both the body was the main man. As you say,

(07:08):
he's getting all the rep but Cortez was you know,
he was a big part of that snappy you know,
just just straight into the game. And you know it
was the speed of the game, the All Blacks, the tempo,
you know, they it was markedly different once he came on.
But you know, Findlay Christie unfortunately got the injury, but

(07:30):
it turned out to be you know, kind of kind
of the spark, the moment that that we needed a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Of talk about England's approach to defense, their rush defense.
So this isn't new bunci. I mean opposition defenders used
to get up on your face as well as a
midfield back. How is it best combated?

Speaker 9 (07:49):
It's a really difficult one because done well, it's it's
you know, it's so effective. And I think was it
the spring box who first you know, started using it,
you know, properly against us and when we struggled for ages,
I don't I didn't know that there's you know, there's
there's one thing that you can do, you know, to

(08:12):
to to defend against it. But really it's just a
matter of there's I mean, there's there's a few options
of you know, people fly up, you kick into that
little space behind. The more you get the forwards. Really
the fords are the ones that need to give you
the front football. You know, for me, it's it's take
the opportunity away from them, you know, to actually do that.

(08:35):
And not everybody in the team, you know, has the
ability to make that rush defense work. So you know,
you tie up the guys that can do it, tie
up the backs, the inside backs or the midfielders who
do do it really successfully, and you tie them up
in a rock and them more. And then you move
the ball away the same direction and you've got you know,

(08:55):
a lot of the time, you've got forwards there and
tight forwards that you can create those mismatches. But it's
a you know, done well. It's like really really effective
and it's hard to it.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So two tight test matches to start Scott Robertson's reign
as coach, How happy do you reckon he'll be after
these two test matches?

Speaker 9 (09:16):
I think he will be guarded if well, I don't
know if that's the thing that he does actually, but
he you'll definitely be be happy and grateful about the
two wins the way, you know, we've come away unbeaten
from a very good English team who are who are
on the rise, no doubt about that. But I think

(09:39):
he'll realize that, you know, this is a different beast
from from super rugby, and there's a there's certainly a
lot of work to do. You know, that that line
out everyone's talking about that, you know, that needs a
whole lot of work, and there's there's a lot of
ways that Yeah, there's there's so many ways. You know,
you can be upset, you know in getting your set piece,

(10:01):
but they've got to put some work into that. And
and that's a periods where you know, we we make
a whole lot of mistakes really that we we shouldn't
be making at this level. But I think he's going
to be pretty happy with with his first sort of
foray into into the international game. And bearing in mind
he beat England, who no easy beats, you know, at
the best of times. You know, there, as I said before,

(10:25):
they're on the up and and he's beaten them into
you know, either test could have gone either way. So
you know, you got that's a that's a positive you've got.
He's got to take that away, and now he's got
to just put his head down. Different beasts. You know,
Fiji is a it's a whole different ball game. So no,
I think I think he will come away pretty satisfied.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Can you see the way he wants them to play?
Can you see his fingerprints on the or blacks or
or not not?

Speaker 10 (10:54):
I can't.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
I can't at the moment, but you know, there are
certain certainly trying to play at pace. I think I
think he's still settling. You know, it's an and it's
also game plans for different teams. I don't, to be honest,
you know, I don't. I don't really. I'm not able
to read a game like that, to be honest, you know,

(11:17):
I sort of I'm sort of in the moment, you know,
what's happening in the moment. But if I if I
had to stop and look, you know, it'd look for
an overall game plan. And I'm never being really that
good at that.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well I'll tell you what you were good at was?
Was it the moment? Stuff? Last night? Loved having you
in the commentary with us BUONSI, thanks for joining us today, mate,
and I think we got you for the Fiji game
next week as well.

Speaker 9 (11:38):
Have we Yes, yes, yes, that'll be an interesting one.
Unfortunately we didn't make the plane to San Diego, but yes.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
We'll do it. From the warmth of our studio, Beck
here in Auckland, I enjoyed the rest of you, da Frank,
thanks for having a chat mate.

Speaker 9 (11:52):
Here's Bunny.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Thanks, no, thank you bye, that's Frank Bunce your chance
to react now to what you heard from him or
what you saw last night. I wait one hundred and
eighty ten euty lines open, Bote and Barrett terrific. The
game changed, as I said before, when he came on.
He sparked the All Blacks, He got them on the
front foot, set up Mark Talayer's second try and pulled
off a huge defensive play at the end. As well.
I saw this great tweet last night said, is there

(12:14):
a minimum number of minutes someone has to play to
get man of the match. Well, I think he was
certainly the decisive factor last night. Look, Stephen Petifet has
had a good couple of outings. He's done nothing wrong,
but he's not. Bote and Barrett Boden will start the
Rugby Championship at fifteen nothing sure. He was asked actually
last night how he feels about an impact role rather

(12:36):
than starting.

Speaker 11 (12:36):
Gosh, I'm enjoying being back in the Black jersey. I'm
grateful for any opportunity, but of course everyone wants to
start and be out there from the first minute. But
it's a competitive situation and I'm just happy to influence
where I can.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think the conundrum Scott Robinson's going to faces what
he does when will Jordan's fit A nice problem to have.
Cortes Latimer, good debut provided Zip and Zing off the bench.
I reckon he's earned the right to start actually against
Eigen next weekend. I thought Fletcher, you'll also made a
big difference when he came on the end of the
game A bit controversial but correctly officiated England mauling from

(13:09):
the line out the mall was successfully defended. Oli Lawrence
and Jamie George then broke off that mall, but Lawrence
was in front of Jamie George and Jamie George had
the ball, so OLLI Lawrence's off site as the All
Blacks tried to make the tackle. He was obstructing the
All Blacks. You can't create a new mall with a
player in front of the ball carrier. It's the correct

(13:30):
call in any case, Jamie George didn't get the ball
down he was held up by Bowden, Barrett who else.
What England was saying though, is because there was still
time to play. They shouldn't have been penalized for the
off site. It should have been a line dropout which
would have given them the ball back. I guess for
one more play. Issues for the All Blacks. Look, let's
not get ourselves. There are some line out shambollack in

(13:53):
the first half and across the eighty minutes they lost
seven of their own throws through steels or pressure. Huge
work on for the All Blacks. An Yeah, maro Otoji
is a formidable opponent lineout time. He had another brilliant game,
but he's just one man in a lineout. The All
Blacks cannot let themselves become a team that's known for

(14:14):
being vulnerable at lineout time. Big week ahead and a
big few weeks ahead for Jason Ryan and for Corey Flynn.
The kicking, in particular, the box kicking Look, I don't
mind the box as a tactic per se part of
the game, but it wasn't done effectively last night. There
was often no energy in our chase. The kicks were

(14:35):
a bit too long as well, which didn't allow them
to be contested. Basically, we're just given the ball back
in those situations. By contrast, all of England's box kicks
were contested. England are a good team. I'm not telling
you anything you don't know. Maro Atoji world class. Marcus
Smith so impressed with him he could well become a
world class player. Steve Borthwick seems like a genuinely good

(14:57):
bloke and an excellent coach. And if we are honest
with ourselves, England had the chance to win both of
those Test matches and Blacks escaped and I think that's
the right word. With two victories.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
Weekend Sport, oh.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. Thanks
for holding Chris good to chet to you yesterday. What's
on your mind today?

Speaker 12 (15:20):
Well, I said to you I wouldn't rid you if
we lost because I'd have a cry on the shower.
There's no crime to AA.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Were you worried it? Although last night, Chris.

Speaker 12 (15:31):
Oh at halftime, I was worried because of the lack
of you know, the problem with the line out. I mean,
we were doing well in the scrum, so there was
a bit of a you know, the flow of the
game and the defense was so tight. That was the
profit test match, and I really enjoyed it. And you know,

(15:53):
I like the idea of Boden coming off the bench
with twenty five thirty to go and and you know,
just giving a little bit more. You know, it's like
when you have a baraka.

Speaker 8 (16:05):
Hang ready to go.

Speaker 12 (16:07):
And he did that, and he did that early in
his career and then Raiser has brought that back because
that's what he's good at. And so I'm really happy
that Rais has got that. You bring him and Antony
Lennart Brown in with the sort of twenty five thirty

(16:27):
to go and go right, here's some energy boys, boom,
here we go. So I'm really happy that that's happened.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Now.

Speaker 12 (16:34):
I always have rugby chats with a made of mine,
and we both agree that sometimes people are better off
the bench to bring some dizazz into the team, and
it doesn't mean they're not a good player at ten
or fifteen or on the wing. But when they come
on and they're fresh, it's a bit like Will Jordans.

(16:54):
He's a way better fallback than he is a right winger,
and he was stuck on the right wings for the
All Blacks. When we get Will Jordan back, then we're
going to have We're gonna, we're gonna, we're going to
be when we Beatable.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's such an interesting point, and you're so right. It's
almost full circle, isn't it, Chris, You're right Boden Barred.
I remember when Steve Hansen was the first coach to
bring Voden Barred into the All Blacks, and he often
described him as the best impact player in the world,
and in many ways that kind of typecast them, didn't
it as a guy who wasn't really going to start
that often but would come off the bench as a finisher.
Then he of course became a genuine starter for the Abs.

(17:29):
And now, as you say, back full circle of actually
you're almost convincing me. Actually, but I just wonder whether
we need to wait until the fifty fifth minute or
whatever it was to get that spark, whether we'd get
it from minute one if he started in the fifteen Jersey.

Speaker 12 (17:45):
That's the thing sometimes some players and I noticed from
club Rugby, you know, like grade the level one thousand.
What you do is you put blokes on they can
tackle hard, you know, and do their thing. But then
you bring on the guys they've got the energy and
the young guys or the guys that can. Yeah, that

(18:08):
was a master class of coaching right there, because he
held back the guys that were going to make the
impact when the English were tired, and we made them tired.
And no, not one of the boys made significant problems.
But the guys that came on were the finishers. They

(18:31):
were the cleaners. And we one that tests based on
good positional and reserve using.

Speaker 13 (18:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (18:43):
I don't know how to say it.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, you've said it perfectly, Chris, You've said it perfectly, mate. Yeah,
good reserve using. I like it. We all know what
you mean. Good impact, good use of you of Jersey
sixteen to twenty three. Good a chatty made and I'm
glad it wasn't tears in the shower for you. Twelve
twenty six, Gabriel, Please hold, they've got to get a
breakaway speed line. If you'd like to jump aboard. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Talking the All Blacks
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Speaker 1 (19:06):
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
Twelve twenty nine. England used the trailer and truck rather
than the truck and trailer. Yeah. I think that's probably right.
The guy with the ball's got to be the guy
who goes first. Yeah, so I don't think there was
any problem with the officiating there, Gabriel, thanks for holding.

Speaker 14 (19:26):
Mate gooday pointing. We watched the game on Sky nine Sports,
and we've only just gotten a new box for us,
so we weren't sure exactly how to work it, but
I got it going for this Sky nine Sports. I
thought it was a great game. We won. We're moving
in the right direction. But I wonder if anybody else

(19:48):
notice or heard the commentary that was on nine Sports.
There was some crowd called Commentary Collective Alternative Commentary Collective. Now,
these guys were total idiots to assume the thing going
that was about third form from where I remember they

(20:11):
were calling. For an example, te Leah Princey Eslina. They
were calling the one of the one of the forwards
from England baby face said big Baby, and it was
like listening to kids and it was really off putting,
you know, and watching the game. So I just wanted
to put that through and see if anybody else has

(20:34):
had heard about it. Do you know that some alternative
collect and commentary group.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yes I do, Gabriel, Yes I do. In fact, they're
in the same building as us. Yes, they're in the
same building as us. They're in a quiet taste are
They're not for everybody, As you've pointed out, If you
would prefer a different kind of commentary, Channel fifty one
I think is probably where you need to go. But yeah,
the Alternative Commentary Collective, they have a very big audience,
a very big audience, and yeah, we're proud to have

(21:01):
them as as our stable mates. I hope you enjoyed
the game, Gabriel, regardless of for your taste in the
and the commentators. Good to chat to your mate. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Hello, Sam.

Speaker 15 (21:12):
Hey Binney, how are you making good?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Sam?

Speaker 15 (21:14):
Good Way? I was a bit nervous about last night.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yep, me too.

Speaker 15 (21:23):
We weren't direct enough, you know, stemless kicking, no chasing,
you know, I think get so you know I love
France for more. I'm going to get cleaned up. I
just think we didn't earn the right to go wide adah,

(21:44):
So you know I wouldn't carry direct this raffle.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
You're just breaking up slightly, Sam, I'm just gonna pop
you on hold the mate. Yeah, I think the point
that the pertinent point you made there was how would
we go playing like that against against your France, or
Island or or South Africa. Look, I think England are
a good team that, make no mistake about it. They
are a good team. And then but I did watch
the Islands Africa game in the early hours of this
morning and done, Yeah, I mean equally terrific test match.

(22:13):
So yeah, there's some big tests ahead for Razor and
for the All Blacks this year. Look, they will absolutely
and totally accept that they're not the finished product yet.
And I think we all know that right Anyone who
watched that game last night would not be able to
put their hand on their hearts say this is an
All Blacks team functioning at the peak of its powers

(22:36):
because they're simply not. They're not. But the raw materials
are certainly there and there's parts of it I really liked,
but there is some work to do. And you know,
Scott Robinson doesn't sit up there at the press conference
last night saying heyn't be fantastic. Haven't we been amazing
over the last two weeks. He gave due and appropriate

(22:57):
credit to England and you know, and conceded that they've
got things to work on. Lineout's won their kickings and
other and look, last night, I don't know whether you'd
say Bowden Barrett got them out of jail, but he
certainly provided a couple of keys that they hadn't had earlier.
Drive save Sam good to chat to you mate, Hello Jamie.

Speaker 12 (23:18):
Yet you know, shout out to the alternative commentary. I
love listening to the guy those guys on the Cructflay
listening to The twelfth Man. But you know life so
you know, sorry that guy didn't like it, but it
is quite a good show.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Oh no, agreed. Dam It's not everybody's cup of tea,
but it's a lot of people's cup of tea.

Speaker 12 (23:33):
Yeah, I wouldn't think he'd like The twelfth Man either,
you know what I mean. But anyway, I've watched both
the South African game and the All Blacks and I
was talking to Mate, you said, O saying to him, Mate,
there's no real greats in this team. You know, you
gotta argue for Artie, but you'd say because.

Speaker 16 (23:49):
You haven't won.

Speaker 12 (23:50):
You know, no one in there is really won a
World Cup except of Artie and probably one other. There's
no real greats. But I think both has changed my
mind in the sense that he could become a great
in the last twenty minutes, you know, like he's not
going to be a great he had the carter or
because he's been shifted between first five and fullback most
of his career. But he's literally creating position now. And

(24:12):
I noticed in the South African game too, they were
lackluster right up until the super subs come on you.
And maybe that's the dynamic of our rugby now, you know.
They we have these grates that just literally sit on
the sidelines for you know, sixty minutes of the game
and then and then we bring them on when the
oppositions a little bit more slaggy, a little bit slower,
and hopefully these grates have sat there for sixty minutes,

(24:34):
which I think Bowden did and just watched the opposition,
saw the holes, figured out a game plan, went out
there and enacted his own game plan that he obviously
had in his head because he went very solo wish
when he came.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
On such an interesting point, you make jam because that's
the way the All Blacks used to win test matches,
you know, not that long ago, by just coming over
the top of teams in the last fifteen to twenty minutes.
We prided ourselves I'd do with it. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (24:55):
Would you argue with me though, Like, if you take
the first twenty and the last twenty and take out
forty minutes in between, that's actually a bloody contest.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Mant oh, I think it's a minutes.

Speaker 12 (25:04):
It's a really good team team, but that middle forty
is where we seem to have black lasted out. That
really rushing defense got to us. But that first twenty,
I mean there was two tries that probably in another
day would have got them. But yeah, I think the
makings there are the team. They seem to seem to
want to throw it around a little bit, which is

(25:26):
quite enjoyable. But yeah, that line out's a bit of
a bit of a shutdown, and then I can't see
any sort of defense or a tactic to shut down
that running defense, you know what I mean. My body
did a cover little chip picks, which I think you'd
try and be doing more of instead of bombing to
the middle of nowhere. You know, just something that when
they're running up on you, they're thinking, oh, you know,
but when you're doing mid bombs to nothing and there

(25:48):
just seems to be nothing to stop that guy from
just straight out charging you, you're not giving him a
second thought. I'd just like to see something with that.
But yeah, that's how the freaking game in the Island game,
I'd say at the moment between the four teams I watched,
I'd say the Black's probably up there and just make
really bad decisions and pulled that game right out of

(26:10):
the ringer with a couple of drop calls. But and
I would beat out to South Africa at the moment.
So I'm pretty positive about Robinson so far.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Good man, Jamie, Hey, good points, well mate, Thanks mate,
enjoyed chatting to you. Yeah, I think if we'll if
we'll accept the Dan Carter's our greatest first five Where
is Bote Embarrad in that list, is he second? Just
ponder it. I don't expect an answer straight away. Oh
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty Hello Kevin.

Speaker 17 (26:38):
Oh, yes, good afternoon. I'll think about Mark Taliah. Nobody's
mentioned at all, but from my mind, he was the
out of position in the first try. He didn't really
know what to do, and when that twenty three car
come on, he stripped him and he just seemed to

(26:58):
be running around and if you notice, they put about
four or five kicks into his corner. So I don't
think he had a bad game, but he just seemed
to be wandering around out there.

Speaker 16 (27:11):
Alright.

Speaker 17 (27:11):
He scored two tries but was only three steps and
he was over in the corner.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, I think the first try had a bit of
work to do, Kevin. I take your point though, and
you have to be an international class winger, as everybody knows,
you've got to be good on both sides of the ball. Yeah,
a couple of good tries last night, but yeah, both
of both of England's tries came down his side, didn't they.
So yeah, clearly a bit of work to do for
Mark Tala and for the less side. Defense for the

(27:38):
All Blacks.

Speaker 17 (27:40):
Yeah, he just seemed to be out of sorts. I'm
not saying he had a bad game, but he if
you looked at some of the replays and that he
was sort of looking around as if where do I
go now? What do I do now?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
He is still quite well, quite early in his test career, Kevin.
Let's not forget that he is still learning. They're all learning,
and he's a potent attacking weapon. I think of all
of our wingers ball in hand, he's the best at
the moment. But yeah, yeah, defensively he has to be
looked at because both of those tries last night. I
mean the kick wide to Freeman. That is a freakish

(28:13):
piece of athleticism from Tommy Freeman to pluck that one
out of the sky and score the try. But yeah,
the first try I didn't go back and have a
look at it forensically to look at Tilea's part in
that he cut and didn't he cut and past a
few players and scored the try. So yeah, it's an

(28:34):
interesting point you make. But they're all learning, they're all learning.
All backs behind at half time, But I knew wod Win,
says Phil. I kept on saying to others the English
were heavily fatigued and when Bodenbarert came on, he took
advantage of that fatigue making himself look fabulous. Well he
did look fantastic. Yeah, absolutely, And I'm going to play
a little bit of audio I got from Boden Bart

(28:54):
after the game of just to see let's cary on
to the calls though, Hi Josh, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (28:58):
Okay, it ain't very good.

Speaker 13 (29:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (29:01):
I love all credit to Boden Bear and I think
that's one of your callers under up. He's been moved
from filler the posts. I mean he was a victim
of having to make way for another player. And you know,
like we get this thing in our mind where we
can't think we can fit them all in there. I'd
like to see the All Blacks go back to the
to the Fitzpatrick days where basically the first team keep

(29:22):
the second team out.

Speaker 19 (29:24):
Yeah, because because.

Speaker 18 (29:25):
I really truly believe you always have your best team.
But I do see what they're doing with these young players.
They're exposing them to you know, the cauldron, and and
I take my head off to Robinson because you know,
technically you're not going to slay the guy if he
loses the first couple of games against England, So the
fact that they come away with a one, they'd be
absolutely grateful. But what seems obvious to me is the

(29:48):
All Blacks look diminutive compared to the physical nature of
the English team. They are big boppers, like every one
of them huge. There was there's not very many small
people on that team, and they're still quite mobile. So
I think they actually were able to handle us, you know,
this whole you know, stuck in and keeping them in typs.

(30:08):
That doesn't work because it's like they, you know, Barrett Scott,
Barrett looks kind of tiny compared to those guys.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's crazy, isn't it, because he's a big guy. You're Josh,
what you're saying is so right. I was likely to
have to be sidelined last night. Those English players are
massive men.

Speaker 18 (30:25):
They have that kind of extra I know, ten percent
or whatever it is in the physicality states, and we
found that that year that we got absolutely beaten up
by them. They just used it to their strength and
they're a pretty good team. I mean, i've pretty expensive
rugby where they wanted to so I don't know how

(30:45):
we go back to the past that we can't dominate
teams physically. I think we have moments and if we
don't take care of those moments, we're going to be
sitting shut out of games for a while. And I
think that that's the big problem they've got. There's a
lot of skill and talent there, not taking away from
anybody there, but when you're up against skill and talent
and physicality, that's still the big the big elephant in

(31:08):
the room for the All Blacks because we lost some
legacy players, world class players. That's probably why your line
out struggling. I mean, Barrett was always paired with a
with an absolute master of a lineout and someone with experience,
and now it's all on him plus Captain Judy. So yeah,
we're we're, we're, we're. We'd be lucky to get away

(31:29):
with that. And I think that's a good start and
we're not expecting to be the best team in the
world yet, but we're going to have some issues with
the physicality when when the stakes get because everyone grows
an arm and a leg and two but taller come
World Cup time.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Great points, well, mate, Josh, really excellent analysis, and you're
right brother retallic and Sam Whitelock huge losses in that lineout,
big physical men uh and lineout exponents for a decade
or more in a black jersey. So yeah, it's going
to take a bit of time. Look, Scott Barrett's a
good lock forward. So it was Patrick Twypo Looto, so
it was two port Valu. But they're not Sam Whitelocke
and Broder retellic in terms of their experience. Marrow a

(32:05):
Tooji very good last night. Here's Boden bettered after the game.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Hello Boden, what a what an impact?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
How are you feeling mate?

Speaker 13 (32:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (32:13):
Better now after a couple of those runs, I was gassed.
That got into my second wind and yeah that felt good.
Proper Test match and came down to the wire because
they're a quality side that.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Doesn't go away. How are you watching Test rugby when
you're waiting for your chance to get on and play
Test rugby?

Speaker 12 (32:31):
Ah?

Speaker 11 (32:33):
I guess I've had a little bit of experience early
on in my career. I spend a lot of time
on the pine. I just try and stay calm, sit
next to my half back and Anton and Quartz in
this case tonight.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
And commentate the game.

Speaker 11 (32:47):
You don't want to work yourself up too much because
that can drain you, so try and stay calm.

Speaker 6 (32:52):
It's easier said than done, because yeah.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
I've been on in the tenth minute before off the
bench sometimes in the seventy eighth.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
So yeah, it's a tricky spot to be in.

Speaker 11 (33:01):
But we understand the importance of our influnce and we
do come on.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
The All Blacks were in a tricky position tonight. What
do you think got you over the line in the
last twenty minutes apart from you coming on, of course,
I think just giving us a little bit of structure
to see the pickture have time and execute what was required,
and that wasn't anything special other than unlocking areas that
we previewed, and that was based around how tight they

(33:28):
get and how much line.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
Speed they like to bring. So it's easy said than done.

Speaker 11 (33:33):
But that's I guess the beauty of watching for the
first fifty minutes.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
That's butte embarraded after the game. A lot of people
have pointed out that the All Blacks pack was heavier
than England's nine thirty five to eight ninety five. If
we just zero one on the locks, though I think
a Toji and George Martin were physically as big of
not bigger than Scott Barrett and and Patrick twe a
lot too. But the points stands sixteen away from one.

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Speaker 19 (34:40):
Good I Mark, Hey Pinney, Yes, Boden wants to come back.
I'm sure we can tie some room on the bench
at the Hurricanes.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
For I know, well, I get the feeling he's fairly
well as sconsdin Auckland now. He looks fairly comfortable up
this way, Mark unfortunately.

Speaker 19 (34:57):
Yeah, we'll leave the door open anyway. Indeed, congratulations to
the Island. I thought that was one of the best
games I've seen in the very long time and rugby,
and I think Andy Ferrell was probably the best coach
in world rugby at the moment.

Speaker 18 (35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (35:14):
I mean, you know when they came a couple of
years ago and won the series here, I think we
thought we should have beaten Ireland. But you know, going
to South Africa and that team they played last night,
you know they probably shouldn't have won on paper. But man,
they just find a way to win, don't they.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely right. Yeah, I mean there's been some
really good test rugby. Again, though I watched the Wallabies
Wilds game, and I don't know whether you did, Mike,
I was a little bit underwhelmed by. Just there's obviously
there's the top four or five teams at the moment,
and I'm going to include France and there and then
there's a bit of a gap.

Speaker 19 (35:43):
Right, Oh, absolutely, And I think I don't even know
whether they all blacks. I mean last night's game. To me,
d Max looks better when body's on. He looks a
little bit frazzled under pressure. And I'll have to disagree
with you on the box kick. I hate the buddy
box kick. But we saw we saw a great start
to the great game and a great finish, but there

(36:04):
were sixty minutes of box kicking in the middle of it,
and I was just getting I was just like getting
so frustrated, because like both those teams when they want to,
can really play a great game of rugby. And I
think as we saw that with Ireland, and I think
the Irish game is the game that probably Raiser wants
to play with the All Blacks rather than this very

(36:25):
static set piece, because I think we play into English
and into their hands when we played this boxed kicking
lineout game, and I think we lost the battle there, don't.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
You, Yes, I do, yeah, And I guess that's the
thing though, Mark, isn't it. If you're an international rugby coach,
you've got to come You got to cut your cloth
to suit, don't you. I think you're probably right. I
think you know Rais raw Relish a game against the Irish,
but you know, the first assignment for him was two
tests against England early in his All Blacks career, and
I guess you'd say he's passed. He was asked last

(36:57):
night actually in the press conference, you know what grade
would you give yourself? And he thought long and hard again,
had about a thirty second pause for effect, and then
he said, past Mark, and I think we'd all probably agree.
Two wins from two.

Speaker 19 (37:11):
Oh absolutely. I mean the players losing Gozler and white
Lock and Smith, and you know Richie Mulwanga, who like
you know, ran the game. Losing those players and still
being able to win against a very good English team
I think is probably better than a past mate.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Good Man Mark always good to chat mate. Hello, Brent,
you're waiting for the for the return of came Roy
Guard at halfback?

Speaker 8 (37:38):
Yes, enter the better end of the better. More hurricanes,
more hurricanes are required, so as long.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
As they are, we need to get Billy Propter in there.
Probably need to get Kidding the whole of on the wing.
Maybe you know Xavia Nimir in the front row, all
that sort of stuff. I thought Rama was good though,
did you.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
Yeah, So speaking of wings, why doesn't you only go
back out to the wing and we have a center
that's a little bit more involved, if you like, in
the game.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
He's found it hard to get involved recently, hasn't he bred?
He hasn't stood out Rico Yowanni like he he has previously.
I think that I think they'll move back to the
wingers unless Raize can change his mind. He seems to
me to be, you know, to be locked in at
center now, but I think he's going to come under
a pressure and without being biased you and I Hurricanes fans,

(38:31):
I think Billy proct has had a really good Super
Rugby season.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
Yeah, yeah, Well even Leonard Brown I think made a
bit of different last night. He probably petted position. I
think some credit is going to go to Australian mate
with the whistle, certainly an improvement over the last week's referee.
And yeah, i'd like to have seen Blackadder out there.

(38:55):
I reckon he'd of make quite a difference.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, I think, well, I think you'll certainly see thanks
for your corporand I think you'll certainly see Ethan black
added next week and I agree. I think Summer Penny
female has had a quiet start to the season. You
think about the Summer Penny female who was just, you know,
the aggressor for the Chiefs and the way he the
way he you know, just just really struck fear into
first fives in particular because when they got the ball

(39:20):
they didn't know if he's going to hurt them or not.
I think some of Penny females had a quiet start
to the international season. So yeah, I think you'll see
Ethan Black added the next week. There'll be a lot
of changes next week against Fiji. I think everybody in
the squad who hasn't played or play and just on
the half backs, what a one two punch cam Royguard
and Courtez Ratama could be. I really liked what I

(39:43):
saw from Courtez last night and muster Met. I thought
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when the English fullback went off for an Hia and
replaced with the English number ten, coming back on was
as Hia confirmed. It happened just as Boden Barrett was

(40:19):
letting loose. I'm just interested because he didn't come back on.
I think he failed the Hia Susie. Susie goes on
to say Body and Cortez were fantastic. They up the
pace considerably, injected some brains and enthusiasm. Boden should be
given a bit more respect than bringing him on in
the last twenty isn't it better if we stunned them
at the beginning? And Boden's kickchase was also outstanding? Thanks Susie,

(40:40):
good good points after one o'clock. Actually, what's it like
watching your son play for the All Blacks? In fact,
what's it like watching your son's plural play for the
All Blacks? When things are going like they were last night,
so tense? And then one of them does that? Kevin
Barrett father off after one.

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Speaker 2 (41:09):
Of Sports U Talk one O seven, Smiley Barrett and
just a sack from Joegude Piney. What's the chances of
immigration going to the hotel where England is staying to
seize their passports? Gee? I wish they were staying here
for more games, says Joe. The last two weeks have
been fantastic. England are building a very good team and

(41:29):
the return match at Twickenham later in the year will
be a monumental game. Great start for the Abs, but
plenty to work on, especially the line out roll on
the rest of the Test season. Thanks Joe and Jake,
says Piney. Hot over here in Fiji, great game last night.
I said to my old man the day before rass
first Test that if he wins these two tests with
a new team, then he's going to go unbeaten for

(41:52):
ten years, including two World Cups. Mark my words, Jaco
will mark your words. Ten years unbeaten. That would be
quite the streak from Razors men, wouldn't it.

Speaker 20 (42:03):
Voter Barrett, that's opened vow.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Boden neph we got nep gotda All Blacks in front.

Speaker 14 (42:13):
Of the park.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, what a try for Mark Talaya set up by
Boden Barrett, whose impact off the bench was unquestionable and
pivotal to the All Blacks winning last night. Among the
forty seven thousand there last night were plenty of All
Blacks friends and family. Kevin and Robin Barrett, parents of
Captain Scott second five, Jordian's man at the moment. Boden
traveled a pretty much every Test match their sons play,

(42:35):
and they were in Dunedin last weekend at Eton Park
last night. Kevin Barrett, himself a former Hurricane and absolute
Tarannucky Stalwart is with us on the show. Kevin, thanks
for taking our call. How do you go watching your
sons play in in tight Test matches like last weekend
in Dunedin and then again last night.

Speaker 10 (42:54):
You good afternoon, pony. Yeah, well, I'm usually so. The
last few years have been pretty been well, not crazy,
but you know, you got a few lives again and
obviously you want to get a few points on the
board and that's sort of that your nerves go away.
But you, to be honest, the last few weeks with

(43:14):
just scrotch scrot getting the captaincy and with the last
week having me first Test, they got the first tr
nation England. Well you know it's the first game is
new new captain and the new coach. Years. It wasn't

(43:35):
a given so you full full groups of the boys.
They it wasn't yeah, I mean what what wasn't pretty
at times? But they got the winner. That's all it made.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Are you able to watch rugby as a as a
fan like the rest of us, or is it all
wise as a parent?

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (43:53):
I think yeah, it's just appearent. Really, I mean I
just think of yeah, I mean I just don't want
the book. You just think of the worst case scenari
of their of you know, I think back to was
it last year the year before the n and Boden
took their high ball in South Africa that he come
down on his on the back of his head, you know,

(44:15):
on his neck, and you just think the worst, you know,
and he was a miracle that had no no damage,
you know, and he he'd carried on playing.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
You know.

Speaker 10 (44:23):
It was yeah, those things you just yeah, has we
will any player really, but you know when it's your son,
you just you just and and just perhaps they take
here I'm especially more so Robin. Yes, she can't take it.
Sometimes she's just got to give over the house or
just go to walk up the road.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
But she lasted the eighty minutes of eating Park last
I presumably did she?

Speaker 10 (44:47):
Yes, yes she did. Yeah, yes, he was on age
a few times. But yeah, it was the word.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
But conversely, how proud do you both feel when you
watch your sons not only play, but play so well.
I mean, when Boden comes on and has the impact
that he does, How proud do you feel? Then?

Speaker 10 (45:06):
Yeah, you're really really proud all the boys. Yeah, it's yeah,
we just think back to well, the Journey of two thousand.
You know them in Bob's first names. You know, there's
a huge honor, you know, just have a obviously played
in New Zealand and sevens, but you know, to be
called of the all backs and nameds and all that
was a huge on it for Forboding and any family

(45:27):
year and then in obviously two thousand and seven and
then Scotty and Georgie who were called them together there
it was yeah. I mean, god, you're thinking, is this
a dream and what? But yeah, it's just it is
and it's a huge honor and we're very priviaged as
a family and the boys just love playing with each other,
and the whole coast Taranaki just yeah, they just where
everyone's sons really, you know, so they just yes, get

(45:51):
helping your messages and people wishing them well, and yeah,
it's that's great, But I mean it's in each year
they get you know, the names get read out, and
you just we just celebrate it because you know one
day it's it will come to an end. But you
just got be there for them. And we just love
supporting the kids, you know, the better what we're doing
all the kids, you know, we say to them, so

(46:12):
what are you rather do? In suport? We just you're
supporting them.

Speaker 13 (46:14):
Me, it's this weekend amazing.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
When things aren't going well, how do you handle the
I'm gonna call it advice that's coming from the crowd
around you. Do you hear that?

Speaker 10 (46:26):
That's quite funny. If she was undered d'needon last week
and Robin we got to talk to lear and a
little bit of fundraiser and and yeah it was yeah,
it's I haven't been next, but Robin's been the crowd
a few times and and Uh, so I'll keep going

(46:49):
anyway there and just see I mean just just the
remarks here that some people come across, but I mean,
just quite time and move on. But it's quite funny
because Jordy was Jordie was having a kick and this
woman was on front. He said, Jordy bert kicking again,
and and it's quite funny. It was Robin. Robin tapped

(47:09):
on the Shudian. So hello, by the way, I'm Robin's
I'm Jordie's mom. And oh gods, he's just got a
crawled up in the ball. I mean, you know, it
was great, Yeah, Ella Ell, I just couldn't believe it.
But she was certain the next time next to you know,
it's the youngest daughter, that is. But I mean everyone
everyone's got an opinion, you know, so you just it's
you just get on and it really just it's just

(47:30):
one of his.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I love that story. I love that story. You're a
better man than me. But if you can hold your
tongue and situations like that, I think we all want
to predict our kids when when we feel like they've
been unfairly unfairly talked about. Scott, as you say, is
now Captain of the All Blacks. Has that changed his
persona in any way?

Speaker 10 (47:50):
Scottish he keeps things pretty close to his chest, you know.
And I think when he was named or let Captain
Knee sort of said raised, I had a move before
and Raisor said he had a conversation with him. I
didn't really sort of tell us he's going to take
it or not. But yeah, he's very measured, He's very thoughtful.
But yeah, I mean Scotty who just just wants to

(48:11):
be on the boys and that was his main concern.
It's just you know, been sort of not distant himselves
on the team. But no, I think you know, it's
it's a huge Yeah, it's a huge on a huge role.
So I mean he'll he will definitely grow into it.
I mean he's been a few years kept in for
the p Saderes, you know, so it's yeah, but this
this is another level, you know, so he always going

(48:31):
to be when things are going you know, the big
w makes a huge difference. But when things aren't going wrong,
you know, he isn't sort of he hasn't faced that yet,
but yeah, yeah, it is it just comes off a
job really, so you know, he obviously weighed that up
when he took it on. So it just comes with
the job. Everyone, you know, all the supporters and they
just want one. I want to win the end of

(48:53):
the day, you know. And then when that interview comes
where you know, for the first loss or whatever, well, yeah,
it's always going to be challenging, specially the team doesn't
play well. But it just comes. It's comes of the job.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
He said a really interesting thing to me like weekend
when we had a quick chat in Dneed and about
the All Blacks and Club Rugby and we saw boat
and play for Coastal a few weeks back, and it
was obviously a big deal for the club. But I know,
I know your boys are very connected to the Taranaki province.
You said to me you'd quite like to see more
of that connection between the All Blacks players and their clubs.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
Yeah, yes, for sure. I think you know that that's
where it all starts at Club Rugby, and I you
just well, you know, been talking to a few well
just in the rugby servers. You know, I'd just like
to see it happen with I think it'd be huge
boost for grassroots rugby. If just need one buy I

(49:48):
mean that the super super teams have a buy but
I mean they just go and do what they like
for the week, and the All Blacks have a couple
of a couple of spells. But if they just said
one bye early on the round, I mean, the Aussie
teams play each other and you know, these young teams
said one bye with it's a third or four week
and everyone just goes home to their clubs, and that
would be a huge shot in the arm for club

(50:08):
rugby weather. You know, on a Tuesday night, in a
Thursday night, the younger grades and they come down you
and just just see these stars play. And that's where
I think that's We've got to get connection between the
All backs and super players, you know, with with your
clubs and you know it's not going to cross ince
injured up for your sins and that just it just

(50:29):
seemed the right signals to, you know, to just to
promote your game and just yeah, it's just it's just
it's got to be good for the game, I believe
was you know, we're struggling at the moment with right
at the top with governance issues and et cetera. But
I think that would be huge for the game.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I totally agree, Kevin. Great to get the chance to
chat another another night last night that you remember for
a long time. I'm sure. Thanks for taking the time
for a chat. I always love it.

Speaker 10 (50:58):
Yes, it's pleasing. You have a good day.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
You have a good day too, Kevin. Thanks and Kevin
Barrett then Smiley as he's universally known, dad of eight children,
including three of those who played a major part last night.
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've got a
bit of time. It was a one seventeen. We couldn't
get everybody on the air last out. If you want
to make a point about the All Blacks game, any
part of it, keen your hair from you. I eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Scott Robinson was asked afterwards

(51:23):
what grade he'd given himself. So an interesting question actually,
as I said last hour, he paused for a long
time before he said, look a pass mark and I
think you have to, don't you. If you had said
at the start of the you know two weeks ago,
all right, you're going to win both games against England,
then that's absolutely a pass of course, it is to

(51:45):
win two Tests against a good side at the start
of your tenure as All Blacks coach, you take it.
They'd bite your hand off for it. Two from two
Phil says, that's a good idea, mister Barrett with the
Club rugby. I totally agree before we get to the calls,
that is a terrific idea. Had the chance to meet
Kevin Barrett for the first time in Dunedin last week

(52:05):
and he we were chatting about that idea. That's why
I asked him it then, because I wanted them to
get it across to a wider audience. His idea is
that for one weekend in Super Rugby, all the New
Zealand sides have a bye and all of the players
and Super Rugby, not just the All Blacks, but all
of them go back to their clubs and just spend

(52:26):
time there. They don't have to play. They can if
they want to, and if they can get that past
their super coaches they can, but just be around their
clubs for a week. Imagine the booster would give. I
just think it's an amazing idea. Yes, I know there
are there's going to be a year but year, but yeah,
but it's a great idea. The reconnection, and I mean

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you've seen it. You've been to rugby games, super rugby games,
even NPC games, certainly All Blacks games. The kids when
they get to meet these players, it's just an indescribable
feeling and watching them. I was at the Captain's Run
the other day up here in Auckland and the chance
for you know, to get autographs and selfies and just

(53:12):
the wide eyed or with which kids look at their heroes.
Imagine if they were given the opportunity to reconnect with
dozens hundreds of not just kids, but those at the
grassroots level at club rugby as well. I think it's
a terrific idea from from from Kevin Barrett. And he

(53:33):
did say too, and I'm sure he won't mind me
saying this, that that all three of his sons would
do it. They would absolutely do do it in a heartbeat.
You know, Boden played for Coastal before the All Black
season and you know it was apparently a terrific day. Anyway,
that's one perhaps for those who make these decisions to
kick around. James, How are you good mate?

Speaker 21 (53:55):
How are you Jason?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Very good? James, thank you.

Speaker 21 (53:59):
Well. Listen, just just as I thought, loved the game
last night but the kicking kind of needs something to
be desired to help. But think Jeordie Barrett told go
and take a few lessons from Matt Burton in the
NRL and practice some of those spiral bombs that he
sends down. Just change it up a bit.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Okay, Yeah, which which part of the kicking were you
not that that impressed by?

Speaker 21 (54:24):
Oh, I just feel like there's nothing there that puts
as much pressure under the opposition. In the English I
didn't think there was as much pressures, but they just
seemed to be back and forward. So mixing it up
with a kicking style like that, like I said, with
the spiral bombs from around halfway then gives a lot
of kickchase. But you know, as you see, the ball

(54:45):
when it's coming down, goes all over the show. So
it puts a hell of a lot of pressure under
the fullback. And I guess that's what I think is
another thing that could add to the arsenal and Jordie's
kicking ability. I think he'd be fantastic and being able
to do something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, that's a good point. James the box kicking for
me last night, I think into need in the box
kicking was a lot better. And I think about when
Finla Christy was putting up bombs in the second half
and severa Reese was chasing through and there was real pressure. Look,
as I said at the top of the show, I
don't mind the box kick per se as long as
it's contested. Otherwise he's given the ball back.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
And I.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Last night I just thought there was there are a
number of kicks that were either misdirected or that weren't
chased hard enough, and so basically uncontested box kick is
really just giving the ball back.

Speaker 21 (55:31):
Yeah, I totally agree, and that's why you know we're
out halfway. If you look at Burton, he kicks from
inside his own ten to the halfway and Slotson behind
the half back. I think it would just change it up,
and you know the height that those kicks go. I've
every confidence for someone like Jordie Evan Damon could get

(55:51):
into it and then get the chase going really hard
at the fallback or the wing. He's got to try
and take it.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Good man, James, good call mate, Thank you for calling
through eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Tony, you want
to talk about the English tactics.

Speaker 16 (56:06):
I thought their tactics in the first twenty minutes of
the second half, where they aimlessly kicked and the All
Blacks would get the ball and kick it into a
better position for themselves and leave England out of position.
They do this every time they come to New Zealand.

(56:27):
They just put the ball in the air, hoping the
or Blacks a drop it and to drop it, which
they never do.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
You're talking about the first sorry, ton are you talking
about the first part of the.

Speaker 16 (56:39):
Second half minutes of the second year when they were
on attack.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah, because they were I mean we couldn't get to
say wait, the Orlecs couldn't get out of their half
in the second half, and the first bit the second.

Speaker 16 (56:49):
Half, the number of times their backs, the English backs
got the ball and kicked it, which they always do.
They don't continue attacking and the or Blacks get the
ball and bang they're in a worse position than what
they start. That's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
It's a valid opinion. They're all valid here, Tony, all
valid here. I think the period of greatest dominance from
my memory and I could be misremembering this, but the
period of greatest dominance for England last night. Was the
first twenty minutes, well, certainly the first ten or fifteen
before Boden came on. Really, let's talk about it, you know,
before Boden and after Boden, so Bb, before Boden, that

(57:32):
part of the second half, I just thought England had
had us pegged back, couldn't get out, spent most of
the time down certainly an hour and a half and
down in our twenty two maybe and look at the
scoreboard would say they didn't capitalize on that territory. Yeah,
I thought that that was the time of the game
when I started to think, you know what, we might

(57:53):
not win this game. I always like, even in the
first half, I always I felt like we were going
to win the game. It was it was that first
ten or fifteen minutes in the second half when I
started to think, you know what, this record might fall.

Speaker 22 (58:13):
How are you, Dave, I'm good, that's funny. What what
When Barrett was running down the left hand side, he
kicked the ball twice. Yes, the second time when he
kicked it, he couldn't catch it. It went about two
or three yards you know forward and referee an England

(58:38):
player got it kicked on the field. I had a
say advantage, but within ten seconds he said, advantage over.
I've never known him with that.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Bloody quick was presumably the knock on advantage, Dave So
when Yeah, but I know the passenger play you're talking about.
He kicked it and kicked it again on the fall,
then went together knocked it on. So advantage knock on
advantage to England and you reckon it was only a
very short advantage.

Speaker 22 (59:05):
Oh well, I've never known much say when they player
advantage you know that you go on no no, no, yes, yes,
yep they do what they have penalty or scum or whatever.
But last night advantage over before hardly they've gone back

(59:26):
up and an all black of Coursey.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, it's it's an interesting one day, but I think
I guess there's Well, my feel is that there's different
advantages for knock ons then there are for penalties. For example,
if if Barrett had infringed in in a way that
there was a penalty advantage, then I think they would
have come back for the penalty.

Speaker 10 (59:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
The knock on advantages is a really interesting one. When
when is that advantage over? I think it largely depends
on the referee on where the ball is, the state
of the game. All those things there doesn't seem to
be a constant, and it is referees discretion, isn't it.
That's when the advantage is over the bit of play
that led up to that, though, how good text?

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Is this a talk show today? Talk about the other
fourteen players or the other? Tweeted tew I guess Offer
talking the Fussy was a super sub mentioned the others
as well. Please all right, I'm sorry, I'm if I'm
focusing too much on the Barretts today. Are you Offer
talking the Fussy?

Speaker 21 (01:00:23):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Fletcher? You'll good when they came on. That's what you
want from your impact players. I get the feeling though
that as most people were leaving that ground last night
or were discussing it after it had finished on television.
The key part of that game was the impact made
by Boaden Barrett off the bench. It was the one
key storyline to the whole game. So no real apologies

(01:00:46):
for focusing on what was the main talking point. But
I get your drift. I asked last hour where and
I'm back on boat and Barret HP where he might
sit in the list of our best number tens? If
we assume that Daniel Carter is number one, well aparently

(01:01:06):
he's not number one in the eyes of Dave. Andrew
Mertens is our best, then Dan Carter, Richie Warner, Boden Barrack,
Carlos Spencer. The number one job for the number ten
is to execute the tactics and run the game. More importantly,
change the tactics when things are not going according to plan.
No one ran the game or changed the game like
Andrew Murtens. Thanks Dave one twenty seven News Talks. He'll
be back with more of your calls after this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Lot of Grant Fox fans out there too. Yeah, Yeah,
terrific first five obviously, I think if I was naming
my top five first fives Fox here be there.

Speaker 21 (01:01:49):
Hello, Mark, Ye're good afternoon, buddy.

Speaker 23 (01:01:52):
I'm sorry about the last sexter, but mine's ANOTHERA Barrett.

Speaker 14 (01:01:56):
One first of Waller to Barrett one.

Speaker 16 (01:01:58):
I totally agree with.

Speaker 23 (01:01:59):
Mister Barrett on what he just said there before bringing
the players back to.

Speaker 17 (01:02:04):
Their roots of rugby.

Speaker 23 (01:02:07):
I don't think that'd be allowed to play with Super
Rugby and Test matches because of injury problems, Like it
wouldn't take much to pull a hamstring or do an
rklles or.

Speaker 16 (01:02:17):
Get an hia, but to be there the.

Speaker 23 (01:02:20):
Sign balls, sign jumpers, to sign whatever for the young players.

Speaker 12 (01:02:24):
I think that would be a great inspiration on the
box kick. What's happened to the days when the grubber
kick came in?

Speaker 21 (01:02:34):
But the more can come from the half.

Speaker 8 (01:02:35):
Back of the first five or second five. Put the
grubber kick in.

Speaker 23 (01:02:38):
We've got more chance with the opposition knocking the ball
on with a grubber kick than you have with a
box kick, Is that right?

Speaker 13 (01:02:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yeah, yeah, But I guess the counterpoint is it's impossible
to contest a grubber kick.

Speaker 12 (01:02:49):
Yeah, okay, how long's that kick ready been in?

Speaker 16 (01:02:55):
Jase?

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Look, I remember the grubber kick being of a tactic
often used by like a first five to just take
advantage of that space and behind the fence that was
rushing up. Yeah, like it was used quite a bit.
Now it seems to have gone out of fashion. The
old grubber kick and replaced by what seems to be
more and more box kicking these days, and.

Speaker 16 (01:03:15):
Before the field goal has gone out out of service
to Hannott the drop kick.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Well did you see Marcus Smith? I went up last
night market he got booed. So I just thought me
and Andy were talking about that before even the act
of taking a drop goal. But then you look over
in South Africa and the Irish first five. Sorry, the
Irish replacement has some landed two drop goals to win

(01:03:44):
them that game. Good to chet to you mate. All right,
here we go. James's pone on my ref. Advantage has
to be gained either territorially or tactically. After Bowden's knock
on the English kicked the ball back down the field
and gained a territorial advantage, therefore advantages over top stuff.
James exactly what was after very well explained. Thank you,

(01:04:04):
hi Steven, game, Thanks Steve good.

Speaker 24 (01:04:08):
Yeah, I agree with you entirely. I felt the same
way to just ten or fifteen minutes and second half.
I thought that the English ran up there and I
certainly didn't feel confident about winning. But the other thing,
just one thing, I'm really interested to see us and
I'm sure robinsonitess sort it out. There's two ways of
using the kick, as you've just mentioned, one is around
territory and one is around is around getting an advantage,

(01:04:31):
And to me, I think I've ever said that comment
before about Matt Merton is spot on. I mean, you'd
better have to put those kicks high and basically more
shallow and be in a position to contest them. And
they hope, like how the opposition knock it on than
you are to put in another twenty meters and you
can't contest it, and there's more time, and I just
think they haven't quite got their kicking game. To me,

(01:04:52):
they seem to be apart from saying, hey listen, we've
got to get down the other end to play the
game down there.

Speaker 17 (01:04:57):
Which makes sense.

Speaker 24 (01:04:59):
I couldn't see any other technical reason behind the kicking,
and I think there's some work.

Speaker 19 (01:05:02):
To be done on that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, Steve, I totally agree and I can. I I
contrasted with the England box kicking, which I thought was
very good. It was a lot shallower. You know, the
height you've still got to you then, I guess got
to be a little bit more careful as you're the
chaser that you don't collect a guy going to catch
it in the air. But that's you know, that's a
skill in itself. But yeah, there were a number last

(01:05:25):
night that I left me scratching my head thinking, well,
there's no contestability here, so we are just giving the
ball back.

Speaker 24 (01:05:33):
But isn't it wonderful? That's very very easy to fix. Yeah, yeah,
I mean what I want to do as well. I
change a half beg for a stat I just don't break.
I just I just his kicking game.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
And there's.

Speaker 24 (01:05:48):
Clarity around the right to the left of it to
be design. Last night and a couple of times here
he went one way and he went the other way,
and he said, a guy up really badly in one
case here as soon as the going up to bully
go Hammett. And I just think we need a bit
more Christmas around the half half here. And that comes
back the kicking as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
How did you how did you joined Cortez off the
bench I made.

Speaker 24 (01:06:09):
I said to my wife, you're sitting there watching it
for the first time in ages, and and I said
to Gee, that guy has made a difference. He just
seemed to be very secure in what he was doing.
He was very quick. Yeah, I thought he was outstanding
this display with him and em and Barrett coming on,
I think they made it out of a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yep, totally agree, Steve, got on your mate, Thanks for calling. Yeah,
I think, as I said before, the roy Gard lattima
one two punch might be something we see a lot
of in years to come. Highly contestable position for Lake Christy,
T J. Pett Andata Noah Hopam has been called in
I haven't ever mentioned for Fokatava. So yeah, I go
for the wiper's kick to the corner and contest the
heck out of the lineout, says this text. I'm not

(01:06:47):
sure that would have been the wisest thing to do
last night. Hello Murray, Hey, Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:06:53):
I was listening last night, and I think the whole
country went through a bad quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I agree.

Speaker 25 (01:07:00):
Frank Botz wasn't a believer, you know. I'll get that
to that in a minute. But yes, some woel definitely
had to buy it touched last night, and I think
that we can celebrate that this weekend. My Facebook post
after the final score the final whistle was all Barrett's
twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yes, you're conveniently forgetting that. Damian McKenzie kicked a few penalties.
But I get your point, Murray totally.

Speaker 25 (01:07:25):
And I was I was missing it on the radio
and freak Bunds came through during their bad quarter in
the second half of this is this is going to
take individual? And who stepped up just almost immediately after
he did that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, it was good last night, Frank. I think that's
the first time he's done radio commentary, certainly with us.

Speaker 13 (01:07:45):
I thought he was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I really enjoyed working with him.

Speaker 25 (01:07:48):
Yeah, well he now that he nowed that stuff, didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
He he didn't do he didn't do. Yeah, now the
All Barretts twenty four England seventeen. I don't mind it,
don't mind it at all, Murray. Thanks for your call, mate.
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(01:08:33):
from Vegas for the grappling competition. We could even enter you, Andy,
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it takes to get us to Vegas, I'll happily sacrifice
myself for that. But no, thank you, all right. Good
to have you with us, Andy, and good to have
you with us too. We'll take a break when we

(01:08:53):
come back. James mccony in studio with us.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Builder, New nineteen to two, broadcasting from the Auckland Studio today.
Normally I'm in Wellington, but part of the attraction of
coming to Auckland an all blacks tests. But James mcconey
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Speaker 21 (01:09:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
And speaking of Trump, actually here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
We should mention that we should probably mention that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
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at two. It's great to see you, mate, What did
you make of last night?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Well, last night, let's be honest, Boden saved us and
I think you and your callers have said as much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Right. And the other thing is that did he just.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Come up with a really good name for a segment
on your show? He's talked about Time on the Pine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yes, I heard that. Actually I only picked it up
later when I listened back Time on the Pine, Time
on the Pine?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Can we make it a segment? I thought? Boden showed
just how great at rugby he is. Here's the World
Rugby Player of the Year twice in a row. So
if you if you break down what he's done in
his career, he's been moved around. I feel like he
should have been given an opportunit just to wear the
number ten jersey, a bit like Stephen Larkham a non
goal kicking first five. Why didn't we just say, hey,

(01:10:13):
that's where we see you. But look, things have happened.
Richie wong A is world class as well, but having
him around in the squad means that I think not
only is he a legitimate option to perhaps start at fifteen,
but also ten.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
And it's funny, isn't it, because then you think, okay, well,
if he provides the impact off the pine as he
did last night every night he plays, then that's a
great use of him. But that was kind of early.
That was Steve Hanson. Boden wasn't it the best impact
player in the world. So it's really hard to know
is it better to have him with a ten or
of fifteen on or is the twenty three the right
one for him?

Speaker 13 (01:10:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
When you look at impact players around the place, there
are some who have been world class, like Connor Murray
for Ireland. So there are coaches who aren't shy or
moving a legend, I guess if you like, onto the bench.
But we even saw that happen in football, right Gresman started. Yes,
it was on the bench for France the other week.
And I think more coaches are starting to realize that

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final quarter is so crucial. If the way Boden turned
the game, there's some Freakis skill there. The only thing
he did wrong was overcooked slightly by four centimeters a
cross kick that could have resulted in a try and
then but seeing that impact though that the all Blacks
needed to rely on. That does highlight that really this

(01:11:28):
test was there for England to take and perhaps they
blew it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I agree Cortes Rootima.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
I liked him, Yes, agreed Cortez, so happy for him
to come on as snappy, really good half back play,
direct and just decisive. Shades of Aaron Smith about the
way he sort of goes about his business, a little
bit combative as well. So I thought Cortez was great.
There were other good players who sort of all chipped in.

(01:11:56):
But I guess the big worry is the line out
seems to be a bit of a shambles. R R
Locks a bit too heavy to lift all the time.
I mean, we haven't got Sam white Lock and Brady
Brittallic you just fling in the air like a Bulgarian
circus troop.

Speaker 13 (01:12:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
But they're bigger men, aren't they than Scott Barrett and
Patrick Twey pilot to not.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
As heavy as I mean, Look they lifted Artie. Look
this is Artie Savier is about six foot one, just
maybe one hundred kilos perhaps ringing wet and he was
looked like a pretty good lineout option and probably was
our best ball carry of the day. Really just went
and went went classic Artie. But that's where I was
looking at, going where are the ball carriers? Where where's

(01:12:38):
the safety, the security and the line out. There's a
lot to work on and I think Jason Ryan in
particular will have his hands full.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Indeed, all right, all Blacks fig next Saturday tomorrow morning,
seven o'clock New Zealand time final of Euro twenty twenty four.
England against all expectation up against Spain. What happens here,
England will just be running around after them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
It's like that game of scrag where you know, the
let's just say that the standard four kids let the
juniors sort of come along and play, you know, and
they just sort of hold them at bay and they're
running this sort of the playground because really Spain are
a level above. But for years Spain have been what
I described as beautiful but bland, and now that's changed.

(01:13:19):
So they've got the sixteen year old playing who you
can probably tell us about as well, Yamal Yes, so
he's sixteen and starting for them as well. Isn't he.

Speaker 13 (01:13:30):
I think he is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I think, in fact, I think today might be his
seventeenth birthday. So yeah, but even but I mean, that
doesn't make him a veteran, does it. But like I
think of my son as sixteen, yeah, and I mean,
with no disrespect to him, I can't see him starting
for Spain. You're not Spanish for starters.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
This is disrespect to your son, because what are you doing?
There's a sixteen year old starting for Spain. But also
they've got Nico Williams, this exciting winger who plays for
Athletico bill Bao I think, which is not even one
of the big clubs, pretty big, but he's come along
and given them a bit more direction as well. Suddenly
Spain looks so dangerous. I can't see England winning it

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in regulation, although look, stranger things have happened. The one
thing that I look at though, and you say, okay,
you've got rodri who's just one of a genius holding midfielder,
like Spain have always had these guys like Bisquits and
Shabby Alonso wasn't too shabby, And then now he's up
against Declan Rice and it just doesn't seem like a

(01:14:30):
fair fight.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I wonder that though, you know, I look at decland
Rice and I wonder whether he might just be the
kind of guy who will just get into Rodery's air
and give him a couple of elbows and find a
way because it just feels so odd, it doesn't it,
particularly given the way England played early in this tournament.
You know that they're in the final. It's if you
crystallize it down to one game. This could be a
tournament that England wins in the ninety fourth minute off

(01:14:52):
their backside totally.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
And look, Jude Bellingham is going to be an all
time great. He's in the midfield for England. It showed
really that Gareth Southgate is a little bit sort of
just feeling as way I always say that that he's
missed McGoo his way through this tournament. Nothing's really worked
and then suddenly chucks on Olie Watkins and he scores
a goal, the villa striker. So really, I think it'll

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probably come down to the subs bench for England if
they can, because you're never quite sure who's going to
fire for them. And to be honest, if Foden has
the game of his life, he could end it for England.
So there's enough talent there. It's exciting. Yeah, seven am,
I'll be up, and so will you, Pony.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Absolutely, I will be. Wimbledon's all done and dusted for
I know, almost all done and dusted for another year.
The men singles final to come. Do you like Wimbledon
amongst all the majors, the grass, the strawberries and cream,
that the tradition.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I remember the tradition. My dad would wake me up
and would watch Wimberlin and I was loved beyond Borg,
Martina and Evertulova, Helena Sikovic and tears. I think when
I was younger, I can't remember. Anyway, Look, there's so
much drama, pomp and ceremony. Then you realize that it's
a little bit a little bit full of themselves with
royals prancing around and all that sort of thing. But hey,

(01:16:03):
it adds to it. Cliff Richard singing in the rain delay.
But the best thing now is okay, the women's final
has been decided and crazy COVID fair play. She was
really good. Lulu soon could have almost he got there
to the final and from New Zealand, from Tiana, shout
out down South. But this is really big. Al KaAZ
against Djokovic. This will decide whether the torch is being

(01:16:27):
passed or the baton, because you know, al Karaz is
the defending champ, but Jokovic has won plenty there, so
it's a must watch as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yeah, there's there's not a lot of time to sleep
at the moment, is there? Even after last nights all
Blacks tests, there was Wallabies Wiles, then I kind of
pushed through to South Africa Island and there's all sorts
of other things to watch and in amongst all of
that coming up over the next month or so, we've
got the Olympics in Paris. Yes, I mean, I'm not
going to get any sleep, but you're going to be there.
I will be there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
I will be filing for you, pony, dutifully from the
banks of the very smelly river Senne, which is apparently
full of a human extraiment. But I've heard that our
triathletes have vowed to were on undeterred. Sorry, mate, we
probably should go to a break there. But the thing is,
what I will say is I don't want to talk

(01:17:15):
about the the Poohs and the Seine. I did want
to talk about maybe Middless. He didn't think it'll be
a few surprise middleists, and I think they're going to
come in the pool and in track and field, so
look out for Obviously we've got Erica Fairweather and Lewis
Claibert who were thinking, yeah they nailed on meddleists, but
look out for Hazel our hand one hundred meters butterfly

(01:17:36):
six foot two. She's from Tao Mutu represent she could surprise.
And I think Tory Peters and the javelin is a
chance as well to meddle. In our athletics team, I
don't think i've seen it this strong. Look, we don't
have a Dame Vale who you say, yes that's she's
gonna she's gonna win 'or go close. But I can't see.

(01:17:56):
I've never seen this this many metal hopes and our
athletics team.

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Even James Preston right just broke the eight hundred meter
record national record. That that so Peter snellhead for ever
he's I mean, even Sam Tanner, you know, I know
the fifteen hundred meters as a stacked field. Sam Tanner,
you know he's got to be a chance. And then
Hamish Kurg just jumped two thirty three and the Diamond
League in Monaco in the last couple of days. He's

(01:18:22):
got to be a chance of the high jump. There's
all these got to be in there, beamish exactlyact and so.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
He's going to run the steeple chase and that's going
to be fascinating to see how he goes there. Zoey
Hobbs obviously, Tom Walsh and Jack O'Gill yep, both metal chances.
Really we've got three pole vaulters led by Eliza McCartney.
This is an incredible team. So and it's great because
it's still the main event really, although that and break dancing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Yeah, breakdown and speed climbing as well. Julian David our
Mail at the Olympics broke the Oceania record this morning.
Hard to commentate the climbing because it's all over in
about six seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Yeah, exactly. Reminds me of some events from my teenage years.
But yes, yeah, very very tough to commentate and you
wouldn't want to look. I know, we had a caller
who didn't like the acc recently and I'd just like
to say I totally agree with him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
It is disgraceful.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
And I should know because I'm part of that commentary
group and we will be passing on your concerns and
we're not going to walk away from this. Thank you
for your feedback and we appreciate it. So yeah, thank you.
You walk towards the feedback, yes, absolutely, And I'll tell
you one thing, speaking of things walking towards what is

(01:19:35):
England grubber kicking all the time? That was my other
note for you, Piney. They only grub a kick if
the defense is totally coming towards you, then you know
there's a little bit of gap. But if everyone's running
towards the grubber kick, like the pump alonner running of
the bulls, then it's a stupid kick. And they did
about three or four times. And I'm not blaming Marcus
Smith because we both like the cut of his jib.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
We like the cut of Marcus Smith's jib very much. Indeed,
I think that's us. I think that's us. Probably a
shout ut for Aaron Ratliffe, having made the final of
the women's doubles at Wimbledon. She'll team up with lu Lusaun.
If we're talking Olympic chances who knows We've got a
bronze medal in the men's doubles last time, Aaron rattlerf
Lulusawn and the women's doubles this time.

Speaker 13 (01:20:16):
Yeah, there are good chants exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
So this is the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
It's going to be on Sky Wall toward It's going
to be on Sky Open, which is the old prime channel.
So if you I mean the Olympics, sometimes you think, ah,
there's so many distractions, but the Olympics is one time
when you almost hibernate watching sport and it's a wonderful thing. Well,
fifteen sixteen days of action and then you can go
back to your normal life.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Indeed, yep, Now get into it and if you can't
get the chance to watch it, then listen to it
on Gold Sport and News Talks AIRB as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Great to see you, mate, cheers mate, Yes, forgot about
Gold Sport, Yes, and don't forget Sky Okay, goodbyes.

Speaker 13 (01:20:50):
Good bye James.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
James mccony huge part of our Sundays around about this
time every Sunday on weekend Sports seven and after two
News Talks EB when it's.

Speaker 7 (01:21:00):
Down to the line. You made a call on eight
weekend Sports with Jason News TALKB.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Coming up four to two and I'll use it too.
More on the shooting at Donald Trump's Pennsylvanian rally. It's
been investigated as an attempted assassination. Donald Trump, the former president,
has thanked the Secret Service for their rapid response before
the incident. A witness reportedly tried to warn law enforcement
when they saw someone nearby with a rifle. More to

(01:21:29):
come in our news at two o'clock after the news.
While we just talked about the Olympics with James mcconey,
our Road to Paris feature has been actually one of
my favorite times of the weekend. We've chatted to well
the owners of a number of our Olympic medals, and
after two o'clock we're joined in studio by someone who
knows all about Olympic Games and winning Olympic medals. She

(01:21:51):
has won plenty, she has been to plenty. Five time Olympian.
Dame Valerie Adams is our guest in studio. After two o'clock,
we'll also get you inside the Black Ferns camp they're
taking on Australia in the second Laurier Riley Test this afternoon.
Across the Tasman and then we're off to the UK.
Is it coming home? Dom Fifield, football journalist on the

(01:22:13):
Euro Final England b.

Speaker 13 (01:22:14):
Spain.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 10 (01:22:31):
Ed B.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Two seven eleven days until the Olympic Games get underway.
There's a couple of events that start even before the
opening ceremony, involving our New Zealand sides, rugby seven's and
football gold. Sport is your home for live commentary through
the night, News Talks, head Beat, official radio partner of
the Olympics. We'll keep you right up to date. Very
shortly joined in studio by one of the all time

(01:22:56):
great Olympians from our Shaw's, Dame Valerie Adams is here
for a chat about her prestigious, storied and at times
controversy Olympic career. Not so much her but though she
was throwing against how does she reflect on her Olympic career.
Dame Valery Adams with us in just a moment The

(01:23:16):
black Ferns, as you heard in our news about to
face Australia a couple of hours away from kickoff. Lucy
Jenkins out of the Black Ferns camp and we'll get
you to the UK as well. Is it coming home?
Euro Final tomorrow morning seven o'clock New Zealand Time, England
b Spain. Dominic Fifield, highly respected award winning UK football

(01:23:36):
journalist with us on the show too. Your calls and
feedback continue to be welcome, give it a crack. We
can't necessarily guarantee we'll get you on the air, but
if you'd like to voice your thoughts our eight hundred
and eighty ten to eighty on text. It's nine two
ninety two, eight past two. As we always do it
around about this time. We like to bring you up
to date though, get you across the things you may

(01:23:57):
have missed. Andy McDonald, as always is put together n
case you missed. It's starting in the NRL, the Gold
Coast Titans delivering another blow to the Eels miserable season.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
Kick for Kelly Cambo on his return, the tremendousle job
in huts from the line and it's set up for
Brian Kelly and the pressure does turn into.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Points for the Titans. The Titans twenty four Eels sixteen.
The Broncos meantime, have gone from bad to worse against
the Dragons.

Speaker 14 (01:24:26):
Sup play.

Speaker 20 (01:24:27):
The ball needs to happen quickly where you get one
last shot. It's a hidden home Bob from Rogers, so
needs to be hard dear. It's on the ground, The
villa plaints it up and the Dragons finally hold on.
The Dragons win.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Oh boy, that was god yeah thirty twenty six. The
Dragons over the Broncos to International Rugby Australia two from
two under Joe Schmidt.

Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
Don't jay a ha ha for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
A boat, but he's outrageous, outrageous.

Speaker 7 (01:25:04):
He's got two.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
The fine Sleipo Australia thirty six Wales twenty eight. Island
meantime stole a win from South Africa with back to
back drop goals. A little fun little from Kaylan Blade.

Speaker 7 (01:25:19):
Here comes the drop goal attempt. It's a sweet strike,
it's got enough on it. It's brilliant.

Speaker 9 (01:25:25):
Karen Forty puts Island backward in two back they.

Speaker 7 (01:25:30):
Go into the pocket for Forty. He's watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
It's all that here. Island won twenty five twenty four
in Argentina pulling off an upset went over France.

Speaker 26 (01:25:43):
Ignacio Luiz hits the bulls eye and that's all. She
wrote in Buenos Aires, what a game. It was personal
and revenge a you know. In thirty three twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
To Wimbledon, Barbora Kreatya Kova has become Wimbledon Women's Singles champions.

Speaker 13 (01:26:09):
A check very turn.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Is the winkled and CHANGI means final tonight, of course.
Staying on that side of the world. In the Pyrenees,
Tadey Pagatcha firing possibly his biggest warning shot to his
rivals on the Tour de France.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
This is the attack.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Pergatcha puts on the power.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
This is an onslaught now by the yellow jersey, thirty
two meters now between them.

Speaker 20 (01:26:35):
Tadey Pagatca comes round the final turn and he has.

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
Dealt a hammer blow to the hopes of finger Guard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Pergatcha went stage fourteen and Scotty McLaughlin sitting another speed record,
this time in qualifying ed Iowa.

Speaker 13 (01:26:52):
To the top one eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
For Scottie mac the Expel Chevy is flying and it's
a big app guys, and he's not done.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Has the Federal media a little bit more at three
for this lap, we'll see what the time is.

Speaker 7 (01:27:09):
Zero seven point two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
My goodness, these are crazy speeds. New Zealand and the
home Straight.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Kiewis Weekend Sports Road to Paris twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Man, it is rushing up now, eleven days until competition
starts at the Paris Olympic Games. We continue traversing the
Road to Paris by celebrating some of our great Olympians
from Olympic Games past. Dame Valerie Adams is one of
New Zealand's most successful and celebrated Olympic athletes. She competed

(01:27:52):
in the shot put at five Olympic Games from two
thousand and four to twenty twenty one, becoming the second
New Zealand woman after Barbara Kendall to compete at five Olympics.
At her second Games, she won gold in Beijing in
two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
And the way she goes now in a bit to
be the Olympic champion, that is more like it very good. Indeed,
she'll be a comfortable leader after this at twenty meters
fifty six, that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
It's Valerie and the vs for victorious and She repeated
that feat at London twenty twelve, won silver in Rio
twenty sixteen, and bronze at the last Olympics in Tokyo
in twenty twenty one. She is a four time world champion,
a four time World indoor champion, and she also attended
five Commonwealth Games, winning three gold and two silver medals

(01:28:43):
from two thousand and two to twenty eighteen. At one
point she won one hundred and seven successive shot put competitions.
In twenty fourteen, she was named World Athletics Female Athlete
of the Year. She won the ngoc's Lonsdale Cup five times,
was the Hellberg Sportswoman of the Year for seven consecutive

(01:29:04):
years from two thousand and six, and the Hallberg Supreme
Award winner three times. In the twenty seventeen New Year's Honors,
she was named a Dame Companion of the New Zealand
Order of Merit, making her the youngest Dame in New
Zealand history. She had previously been made an Officer of
the New Zealand Order of Merit. Dame Valerie Adams is

(01:29:26):
in studio with us. Thank you so much for taking
the time, Dame Valerie to come in It is such
a glittering CV that I've just read out. Where do
your Olympic gold medals sit in amongst everything else that
you've achieved in your career?

Speaker 27 (01:29:41):
In a box in a safe at home. They come
out from time to time, believe pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
In terms of the context where you put Olympic gold
in amongst everything else she've achieved? Where do they sit
in that regard?

Speaker 28 (01:29:57):
Pretty high up.

Speaker 27 (01:29:58):
You know, the Olympics is the pinnacle of your sporting career,
and everybody strives and can and train so hard for
this very one moment which we're we were all about
to enjoy in a few weeks time, So looking forward
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Your last Olympics Tokyo three years ago. I remember there
was real emotion when you won bronze in Tokyo. Can
you take us back to Tokyo.

Speaker 27 (01:30:19):
Yeah, Tokyo was quite a journey and it was very
emotional and all the feels mentally, physically and emotionally. And
that was only because you know, I had my son.
I needly carcked it and there was a delayed game,
so I had to be separated from my children for
a very very long time. It was a games that
was quite unique with COVID and being locked out on

(01:30:43):
you know, of certain places and doing things in a
very specific way. But all in all, I'm very glad
that we had the opportunity and the games you know,
continue to happen in twenty twenty one. But winning that
bronze medal in Tokyo was felt so much more special
to me than winning my two gold medals, and that
was only because of the journey it took to get there,

(01:31:03):
but also being there as a mum of two was
quite special for me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
At times on that journey to Tokyo, Did you think
you weren't going to get there?

Speaker 13 (01:31:11):
Totally?

Speaker 27 (01:31:11):
Shit, Yes, absolutely, you know, for a moment there like I.
You knows, as I mentioned, you know, like I nearly
when I had my son, didn't nearly make it, and
then COVID happened, and you know, old girl was aging,
so the body wasn't responding as well as she could.
Having two major operations in the abdomen area was not ideal.

(01:31:33):
It's not ideal preparation. But I still continue to have
hope and I still continue to use that those experiences
to kind of inspire me and motivate me. Towards my goals,
because I still had this inkling of hope that I
could make it to Tokyo. Everybody knows the type of
competitor I am. I'm not a numbers person. So ten
months after having a C section and having two major

(01:31:57):
operations after that, I did qualify for the Olympics, which
was fantastic, and it was like, you know, I got
punched my ticket and all the rest of it to
go there. But equally, I knew that I if I
didn't throw nineteen meters by a certain competition, I was
going to pull myself out. So that's the type of
pressure I put on myself, even at the stage I
was at age wise and physically. And once I was

(01:32:18):
able to meet those criterias, my personal criterias, then I
knew I had the opportunity to go to Tokyo. But
also I was there to win a medal. I wasn't
there just to be a number. If that makes any sense.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
It makes total sense. Your daughter, of course, if we
go back a few years, was born in twenty seventeen.
Was it always the plan to return to elite level
competition after that?

Speaker 27 (01:32:39):
Well, six months after having a RIC section, yes, I
had every intention to turn up to their Command Games
and to hold a silver medal at a six month
old baby in one hand. That was quite a unique experience,
but one I haven't haven't embarked on obviously, But it
was very, very tough.

Speaker 28 (01:32:56):
But I always knew that I.

Speaker 27 (01:32:57):
Wanted to go to those Commath Games, even though it
was a lot earlier than the other championships. That was
my driving force take to get back into shape and
to be able to turn up and perform. And it
was a very difficult ride. I'm not gonna lie. Having
a C section for the very first time, to have
to get her out was quite intense. And didn't realize that,
you know, things moved a bit differently, things are a

(01:33:19):
little bit looser, so might had to modify training to
be able to get to those games.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
And I'm glad I did incredible just on twenty twenty
one as well, your sister Lisa one Paralympic gold in
the shop put in Tokyo under your guidance. That must
have been incredibly special as well, was it?

Speaker 27 (01:33:34):
Oh, it was wonderful. It was awesome to be able
to compete at the Olympics and then stay on for
the Paralympics. To be able to support Lisa in her
journey towards her gold medal. You know, it was a
fantastic experience for the both of us and also for
the New Zealand team. And to be able to be
part of that Paralympic Games. I've never been a part
of something like that before. Was quite special, just to
see things, to see how they do things. But man,

(01:33:56):
the athletes at the Paralympics this phenomenal. They absolutely sp
just special human beings who do extraordinary things. And I
was very, very very wow. I just meeting these athletes
and just seeing what they're able to do, what their
capabilities are with the physical disabilities that they did did
have was quite extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Your first Olympics Athens two thousand and four. But I
think you just had an appendectomy? Yes, then you never
go you never go the easy way.

Speaker 28 (01:34:24):
Do you No, that's boring, let's worring.

Speaker 27 (01:34:28):
Yes, the Yeah, six weeks before the Olympic Games in Olympia,
I had appendicitis and I had yeah. Yeah, it wasn't
very good, so I was had surgery, managed to make
it on the plane, manage to perform a like have
two competitions before competing in Olympia. But the downfall to
all of that was a yes, having an abdominal surgery,

(01:34:49):
but be not having the competition fitness to be able
to perform better at those games. However, as a youngster,
I finished tenth in the day. Now sitting at fifth position.
Who knows with technology another way, they're testing all the
all the samples at the moment, they could change, but
I'm sitting at fifth place at the moment. At my
very first Olympic Games, all.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Right, gold in Beijing in two thousand and eight. What
stands out most vividly about those games?

Speaker 27 (01:35:15):
It was one that ran to the box, like everything
ran to plan. It was a perfect competition. I dominated
from the start. I out did all my competitors mentally,
physically and emotionally, and I was able to perform at
my very best pbe gold medal. It was just everything
was perfect. I cannot fault those games at all because

(01:35:37):
everything just ran absolutely amazingly well for me. But quite
an amazing competition all in all, because you know Beijing,
and to be able to go to Beijing two months
before the games and all the smug and everything else,
and then two months later, it was like you're in paradise.
Was quite extraordinary to experience. But yeah, perfect competition.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
When you are throwing at your best like that, What
does that feel like? Both physically and mentally? Are you
in some sort of flow state when that happens?

Speaker 13 (01:36:06):
It's easy.

Speaker 27 (01:36:08):
It's so easy that you're like, oh okay, sweet that
when you're in that state and when you're when you're
competing and things go really really well technically, it's such
an easy throw and it's so effortless that it's it's it's.

Speaker 28 (01:36:23):
An incredible feeling.

Speaker 27 (01:36:25):
However, that happens once in a while, but when it
does happen, it's it's quite amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
So, yeah, you won gold in twenty twelve as well,
but it was only awarded to you after the disqualification
of nadsaia a stopchuk. I seem to remember and correct
me if I'm wrong that when you got the silver
there was a little bit of almost blowback as though
silver wasn't good enough you eventually got gold. Did all
of that dilute the achievements.

Speaker 8 (01:36:48):
At all for you?

Speaker 27 (01:36:50):
You know, like I think that journey to the twenty
twelve Olympics, you know, everything happened. Nothing like a bit
of drama, right, Nothing goes easy, you know, not being
entered into the Olympics in the first instance, to being
entered and then to finish with the silver medal. Absolutely,
it was very devastating on the day. But and then
getting it awarded seven days later, did it dilute it?

Speaker 10 (01:37:10):
Not at all.

Speaker 27 (01:37:10):
It just showcase the fact that I was able to
compete under the pressure that I was under, that I
was in and bring the best that I could on
the day and it eventually paid off. The hardest thing
for me was the mental battle and the I guess
the comments and you know, people's opinions on the way
I performed on the day that I should have won

(01:37:32):
the gold medal, because you know, that was the goal,
and ultimately for me, I felt like a failure on
the day. But then seven days later I became a
national hero. So lots of learnings from that and that
I want, you know, continue to scream out loud that
you know, we need to celebrate every medal this country gets,
and everybody strives for a gold medal. It's not for
lack of want or lack of trying, but it's sport

(01:37:53):
and it does happen. Fortunately for me, I got awarded it.
Seven days later they caught her and they you know,
disqualified her. But for a lot of athletes, you know,
it could be years down the line, eight years, ten
years with until they get their gold medal. So I
want of the lucky ones. However, the damage was done
when the competition definition. Then I try to get myself
back up after that, but yeah, it is the way

(01:38:15):
the cookie crumbles. You just got to be able to,
I guess, stay strong.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Yeah, but you were robbed of standing on top of
the podium, you know in London and here in New
Zealand's national anthem again. I know you heard it once
we got back here and there was a special ceremony
and it was it was awesome, But I mean, did
you feel robbed in any way looking back at that
at that moment.

Speaker 27 (01:38:35):
One hundred percent. That was probably the hardest part is
actually that moment was taken away from you. I had
my family members there who traveled all the way from
New Zealand, I had friends, eighty thousand people, and it
was a moment that I should have been able to
enjoy standing up on a dice. Yet I had to
set up on a dice on the second place together
and actually listen to her national anthem. And that was hard,

(01:38:56):
and it was a moment that you can never ever
get back. And I know they we did something here
back in New Zealand, and it would probably never happen
again in my lifetime something like that happening here in
New Zealand. However, that moment was taken away from me,
and yes, I was robbed of it, but I'm glad
she was caught. You know, you always got to try
and look at the bright side. And now it's good,
you know, to look back on it. And actually I

(01:39:18):
guess honan on that a bit more. But in that moment,
absolutely I had a few colorful words to express.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Did you know she was cheating?

Speaker 27 (01:39:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, yes, yes, absolutely, I mean
it's my coach said something up for the competition and
just you know, kept quiet, and he got ridiculed for
it because then he need said because they asked, so,
you know, what do you think about her performances? And
Jean Pierre said, you know, I have nothing to say
except you know, wait and see he knew something was

(01:39:49):
going on, and then sure enough seven days later, but
everything kind of came to life because I beat her
in May at the Diamond League in Rome. I threw
twenty one meters and it was a great competition for me.
And then she went back to Belarus and she never
exited Belarus until she came to London, so then she
was she went into to Belarus and she competed and
stayed there within their military confinements and then that's you know,

(01:40:12):
where she was training. So as far as drug testers
and things like that goes, it was very difficult for
them to even get into the country to test her.
And you know, like it is what it is, and
they do whatever they can to win those medals, but
she's still seen as a national hero and they took
back the medal when she did win in twenty twelve
and celebrated and all the rest of it. But yeah,

(01:40:35):
it's just one of those things that you got to
deal with within sports, and unfortunately it's systematic from the top,
you know, as opposed to an individual bid to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Be able to do this crazy well, history will judge
her and her country. Just on Rio sixteen Dameville, another medals,
this time silver. Again you led them to the final round.
Any tinge of disappointment you couldn't get gold.

Speaker 27 (01:40:53):
There there's hoias as the appointment if you don't get gold.
But equally again for me personally, it was like I
hadn't thrown that far in like three years. I had
two major operations that took me out of twenty fifteen.
There are all the things that people don't know. You know,
people only see the medals, And yes, I would have
loved to get the three pete. That was always our goal.

Speaker 28 (01:41:12):
But getting nubbed in the first in the last round
absolutely sucked. But the same thing. It's sport. You win some,
you lose some, But I don't see it as losing.

Speaker 27 (01:41:20):
I see it as like I got second best on
the day, like you know, say lovey, And I was
able to enjoy it myself and celebrate it because the
journey it took to get to Rio in itself was very,
very difficult. But it would have been great to get
the three pet But hey, well good, you know, oh
good love it.

Speaker 28 (01:41:35):
Silver medals great? You know, people will kill for a
bloody silver medal.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
So when do you think you were at the absolute
peak of your powers in your career? When were you
throwing in that flow state where it was, as you
said before, easy. When was that twenty twelve?

Speaker 27 (01:41:50):
Absolutely twenty twelve when I moved to Switzerland and trained
to Jean Pierre under his guidance, and basically twenty twelve
and so twenty eleven when I broke the world championship record,
and that was the start of it. And then basically
into the twenty twelve season, I was pretty much unstoppable
and I was at my best physically, mentally, emotionally, like

(01:42:12):
I was humming on all four Cylanders, and I'm not
saying all the other seasons I wasn't humming. That just
stood out for me from a physical point of view,
in particular because when I moved to Switzerland and when
I approached Ian Pierre to take me on, he basically
like told me if I wanted to survivors training, I
needed to lose a bit of weight and you know,
get fit to be able to survive it. And I

(01:42:33):
took that information, came home, trained so hard to get
myself into a physical state which I was where I
was able to perform, went back to Switzerland and then
we're like basically head down, bump up, and worked so
hard that in six seven months time, I went to
the World Championships in Daegu, broke the championship record which
had been there there since nineteen eighty seven. So that

(01:42:53):
was a fantastic competition.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
For me, fantastic present day, it seems a silly question
for a mom of two, but what takes up most
of your time now?

Speaker 12 (01:43:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:43:03):
I asked my manager.

Speaker 27 (01:43:07):
A bit like if everything really it's life is very
busy at the moment, very complex, but it's it's great,
like it's with I'm your I have the opportunity to
be able to do some things that I really want
to do, make some changes, be a part of like
I'm being a chairperson of the Athletes Commissioner World Championship

(01:43:28):
at the World Athletics has been amazing, been part of
the counsel to be the athlete's voice from a global
point of view, and with the higher form of sport,
New Zealand has been on the board there. Then I've got,
you know, still heavily involved all my sponsors, which bloody fantastic.
And then two young children both at primary school now,
which is awesome. So and that single mom life. You know,

(01:43:49):
it's not always easy, you know when you're trying to
work and navigate and organize everybody. It's just all part
and parcel of what we do. So life is very busy.
I'm busier now than I was before because you know,
as an athlete, you can just be like, no, I can't.
I can't because I'm training, training, training, But it's a
great opportunity right now to make some changes and to

(01:44:09):
see progress and help people where you can, and be
a part of great charities like you know Jami's for
June and things like that, which actually are very close
to your heart, especially within your community.

Speaker 28 (01:44:20):
But watch the space.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
What's not going amazing? Final question is the one I've
asked all of our guests on this feature, and you
actually alluded to it at the start about I mean,
where on earth do you keep all of your medals?
Are they really just in a box somewhere?

Speaker 27 (01:44:31):
Yeah, they're in a box in the safe, like I'm
not kidding. So from time to time I have to
take them places. I'm yanked them out and then the
kids come and have a little play and throw them around.
Then I take them away with me and then they
go back into the box. So yeah, I mean my
house is pretty much full of toys and kids shoes
and you know, kids clothes and all the rest of it,
because it's all about them, right, Like they don't actually
really give them about what mum's done. But I do

(01:44:54):
laugh from time to time when walking down the supermarket
and people want to take photos and my six year
old daughters giving them the side eye as if to ask, like, what.

Speaker 13 (01:45:00):
Are you doing?

Speaker 28 (01:45:02):
So she doesn't understand.

Speaker 27 (01:45:03):
They don't really know. Apart from the other day where
my classes five went to the blabury and there's an
Olympic book and he opened and he goes, this is
my mum and he had this massive grin from cheek
to cheek and the teacher sent me a phone and
I thought that was really sweet. So one day they'll
know what their mum's done, but for now they don't
really care.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
I love that. I love that. Incredible career. Dame Valerie Ongoing,
your work is just amazing. As chair of the World
Athletics Athletes Commission. Enjoy your trip to Paris as a
fan for the first time and I think, what two
decades and thanks for taking the time for a chat today.

Speaker 28 (01:45:35):
Awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
No, thank you for popping in Dame bel Dame Valerie
Adams our latest guest on the Road to Paris. It's
been amazing to catch up with all of these former Olympians.

Speaker 13 (01:45:46):
Another one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
There's some great stories and insight from Dame Valerie Adams.
One more guest on the Road to Paris. Next Sunday,
just after the two o'clock news. Don't forget the news talks.
He'd be as an official radio partner of the upcoming
Paris Olympics and on gold Sport you will get through
the night coverage, wall to wall commentary of Kiwi's and

(01:46:07):
others doing amazing things at the Paris Olympic Games. Half
past two, let's get a breakaway when we come back.
We're across the Tasman to Australia where the Black Ferns
take on Australian side this afternoon. In game two of
the Lorrie O'Reilly series, Lucy Jenkins out of the Black Ferns.
Right after this.

Speaker 7 (01:46:25):
It's more than just a game. Weekends for it with
Jason Vine and GJ.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
News Talks twenty six to three International Rugby hits Belly
Moore and Brisbane this afternoon as the Black Ferns take
on Australia for the second time in twenty twenty four
to four o'clock kickoff. Among the Black Ferns reserves this afternoon,
loose forward Lucy Jenkins right for finding the hacollo and
space and now rode for Lucy Jenkins who's got plenty

(01:46:55):
of speed.

Speaker 29 (01:46:56):
And jumps to get to the line. And Lucy Jenkins.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Lucy Jenkins weather us on Weekend Sport. Thanks for taking
the time, Lucy, your debut for New Zealand and played
six Test matches last year. This was your first test
of twenty twenty four. So how much you're looking forward
to getting back into that black jersey.

Speaker 29 (01:47:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm hugely excited to get the black jersey
back on. Obviously missed out and pact fourth probably wasn't
playing at my best during said rugby so so it
was understandable and yeah, worked my way back in and yeah,
very excited.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Tell us about your build up towards this afternoon's game, Lucy,
what's the week consisted of.

Speaker 29 (01:47:30):
Yeah, so far we've just had a couple of training days,
but of extra rest this week. This was the travel
sort thing. Cool, doing a little bit of slight thing
in Brisbome, but massive training day Thursday, a bit of
a hit out against each other and then we'll prepare
for a tough game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
So you played Australia in Albany or at Albany in May,
Blackburn's comfortable sixty seven nineteen winners that day. How do
you make sure that complacency doesn't set and when you're
play an opponent you really should be quite comfortably.

Speaker 29 (01:48:03):
Yeah, I guess we've We've got a couple of new
girls in there who are ready to bring some some
real energy. And yeah, I think I think we've We've
done a lot to adapt our game and work on
some things that we.

Speaker 21 (01:48:17):
Wanted to improve on.

Speaker 29 (01:48:18):
But yeah, I think we're just really excited to get
out there and see.

Speaker 8 (01:48:21):
What we could do.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
What about your own game? How much did your own
game grow during your first experience in the black Ferns
environment last year?

Speaker 29 (01:48:30):
Yeah, I think my games usually grew. Yeah, I think
I've worked on my defense a lot, and yeah, I
think just like my game understanding and how I can
I guess I'm used to the people who I play
with that provincial and so regular level, but just really
adapting to playing with the new set of girls and
how I can.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
Play with them.

Speaker 12 (01:48:50):
My best.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
One thing a lot of people notice about the way
you play the game is your work rate, you know,
on both sides of the ball. How much do you
pride yourself on that?

Speaker 29 (01:48:59):
Yeah? Yeah, for me, that that's kind of my certain power.
That's my that's my number one. If I can do
something or even if I'm coming off the bench or starting,
if I can do, say to bring some energy to
the team and when they're fatigued, and how I can
lift the team up. That's something I really prow myself on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
And you are among the reserves this afternoon. So as
an impact player, you know, with a shorter space of
time to impact the game, does that energy and work
great become perhaps even more important?

Speaker 29 (01:49:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say a little bit. But yeah,
whether I'm playing eighty minutes or ten minutes, I think
I try to bring that samely more than intense series
as much as I courss we can, so yeah, it
doesn't matter too much for me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Has the balance that you strike between working on defense
and working on attack also improved during your time with
the Blackfnds.

Speaker 29 (01:49:43):
Yeah, I really love like I've always loved attack, but
for me defenses. Yeah, it's a massive opportunity to get
the ball back and if I can add my line
speed and really shut down defense, that has something I
really enjoy these days.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
I read that you watched the twenty twenty two World
Cup Final from the stands of Eden Park with a
dramatic win for the Black Fans over England. Watching that,
how much to that motivate you to push for the
black jersey yourself in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 29 (01:50:12):
Yeah, it was huge for me. I mean I've I've
wanted a black jersey since I was about Stephen, So yeah,
it definitely feeled me a little bit. But just like
having videos of like the crowd and it was, yeah,
it was. It was an amazing experience to be there
and watch them win it. So yeah, it was cuddainly motivating.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
And talking of big occasions, the Black Ferns will play
England at Twickenham in September, set to be a sell
out there, another historic occasion. How keen are you to
be involved in that?

Speaker 12 (01:50:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:50:39):
Oh, that would be an absolute dream for me, someone
who Yeah, I've been involved in working since I was
about four years old, So yeah, Twickenham's a pretty big one,
so yeah, that'll be an awesome opportunity if I could
be there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Yeah, all right, Well, in the meantime, all the best
of this afternoon. Does the Black Ferns take on Australia.
Thanks for taking the time, Lucy, good to jet, Thank
you very much, Thank you, Lucy, Lucy Jenkins. There the
Black Ferns against Australia and Brisbane at four o'clock this afternoon,
New Zealand time, it's twenty two to three. We'll get
you to the UK and preview the euro Finals shortly
after three o'clock on the Weekend Collective. It is a

(01:51:14):
politics hour to start and it will mainly focus on
the events at Donald Trump's Pennsylvanian rally today a reported
attempted assassination. One attendee has died, two are in critical condition.
The alleged shooter, who shot from a shed about sixty
meters away is also dead. And there's obviously lots more

(01:51:38):
to come on this. Rather than me try and summarize
it in a short period of time after three o'clock
with the Weekend Collective, Tyler Adams and the chair will
get you to the US. A lot more to come
on this developing story when we come back though. A
preview of the Euro Final England v Spain.

Speaker 7 (01:51:53):
From Penrose to Paris.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
You like to call on eighty ten eighty Weekends fort
with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunnolmes, New Zealand's most trusted
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Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Two forty two. The Final of Euro twenty twenty four
seven o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand Time, England v Spain
in Berlin. Dominic Fifield is commissioning editor at the Athletic
Football and hugely experienced sports rider. He joined us to
preview this one, dom Are you in any way able
to succinctly sum up England run to the final?

Speaker 13 (01:52:31):
Well?

Speaker 30 (01:52:32):
Start started slowly and have been improving steadily along the way,
but some good thoughts as well, admittedly, but belief is growing.

Speaker 13 (01:52:44):
I mean, look, it's they weren't impressive in the group.

Speaker 30 (01:52:46):
We know that Serbia they beat Denmark, they were lucky
to get the draw against Slovakia or Slovenia at that
point where that was a goalless draw and it was
pretty turgid stuff. But then you take the Slovakia game
in the last sixteen when you know, when you equalize
in the ninety fifth minute with a bicycle kick from
Duke Bellingham and then score again earlier and extra time,

(01:53:09):
you start wondering whether your name's on the trophy and
whether luck's going to turn to you this time. And
then with the Swiss likewise going behind late on equalizing
with a fantastic golf from Bacayatsuka and then prevailing really
in the penalty shootout, and I have to say that's
the first time in my life and I'm almost fifty

(01:53:29):
where I've seen England going into a penalty shootout and
I've been utterly convinced that Englam are going to prevail.
They were going to win that penalty shooter. And I
think that it's little things like that that actually demonstrates
the Gareth Southgate effect over this last six years at
the helm Ory, eight years at the Helm Sorry, it's
really since the Russian World Cup in twenty eighteen, there's

(01:53:52):
a belief they're getting better.

Speaker 13 (01:53:54):
There, there's a depth of quality and I think we'll
go into this.

Speaker 30 (01:53:59):
Final tomorrow not favorites, not favorites, but with a very
good chance of finally ending that draft.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
If they are to do that, which England players are
most important.

Speaker 30 (01:54:12):
Well, that's a really good question because I think instinctively
you say Phil Foden and Due Bellingham, but actually they've
only fired in fits and starts in this tournament. I
thought Foden was excellent in the last game in the
semi final, played really really well against the Dutch in
the first half and then came off midway through the

(01:54:34):
second half.

Speaker 13 (01:54:35):
Bellingham has come up with some timely moments, but.

Speaker 30 (01:54:41):
I think he's actually he hasn't quite looked at his
best and I think you could probably argue he hasn't
looked at his best at club level either any since
the turn of the year, So maybe that's a fatigue
factor after a massive, massive year in his career.

Speaker 13 (01:54:53):
But if I was to pinpoint players have to thrive.

Speaker 30 (01:54:57):
The key to beating Spain, I'm sure is disrupting that
midfield is stopping from Rodery from dictating the player, making
sure the partnership in there is is not working as
it has been so so brilliant, because if you just
front Rodery then they're danger man up front Yamar Williams.

Speaker 7 (01:55:18):
Elmer.

Speaker 30 (01:55:19):
They they won't get the ball, they won't be able
to define the space to hurt England. So in that respect,
I would say that deck and Rice has to has
to be at this swarming best.

Speaker 13 (01:55:32):
He has to.

Speaker 30 (01:55:33):
He's run more than anybody else at this tournament, but
he's going to have another really, really busy night in Berlin.
I think Cobby Mayne has got to be all over
that midfield's got to dominate. And whoever joins in that
midfield from the back, whether that be John Stones, Mark
Gay or one of the fullbacks, Kyle Walker pushing in

(01:55:53):
here and Trip here, whoever plays, they've.

Speaker 13 (01:55:56):
Just got to They've just got to prevail there.

Speaker 30 (01:55:58):
They've got to hold sway in the middle because if
they do that, they have a chance because they will
stop Spain playing and maybe maybe some of their own
individual talents up top Foden Bellingham, Caine Sucker will come to.

Speaker 13 (01:56:13):
The foe and hurt them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
How big a three do Spain President, Oh, you only have.

Speaker 13 (01:56:20):
To look at their performances over the tournament. They won
all their games.

Speaker 30 (01:56:23):
No one's ever done that before a euros of They're
going through the entire tournament winning every match, they've got.
I think he's seventeen now, Yamal isn't he's He's just seventeen,
but my word, he plays like he's been playing for years.
The kid is his quality. He's providing chances. He's scored
a wonderful, wonderful goal against the French. He's a real

(01:56:49):
talent at Barcelona and illuminating this tournament. Danny Olmo, I
think has been excellent in that number ten role. He's
come up with three guys himself. He's up there with
the Golden Boot potentially with Harry Kane and numerous others
since he has strangely changed the rules over night on
that one. But and Nica Williams is just he's lightning quick.

(01:57:11):
So they've got They've got an attacking threat and a
depth as well. I think there they probably lack a
world class center forward, which is probably cu now for
Marata to score at Hatchrick in the final. But but
I mean, I think if England, England will hope that
the Alvarra Marata that leads the line for Spain is
the Ala Morata that underwhelmed at Chelsea, as opposed to

(01:57:34):
the player that actually has got a decent goals plick
game record and most of the leagues he's played in
apart from the Premier League.

Speaker 13 (01:57:41):
I think that they're slightly short there. And I think
you can disrupt Rodery.

Speaker 30 (01:57:46):
I mean mainly did a wonderful job doing that in
the f A Cup Final at the end of the
season for Manchester United against Manchester City.

Speaker 13 (01:57:53):
So there is a bit of previous there. There is
some hope.

Speaker 30 (01:57:55):
You look at the quality and logic says that Spain
should win it, but actually I just feel there's this
build up of belief around England and and I think
they've they've learned the experience from from losing three years
ago in the final to Italy. We have to remember
that Spain haven't been in a major final for twelve years.
It's quite a long time for for a squad a

(01:58:18):
nation of that such football talent, and maybe maybe that
experience can help England, maybe that maybe they can call
upon that. I think they they really have been summoning
that to get through the tighter moments of the tournament
so far, and they're going to need to do that
again in Berlin on the on the final evening.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Dom do we have any clarity about England manager Gareth
Southgate's future beyond this match when all those.

Speaker 30 (01:58:42):
Well, not really before the tournament began, he said that
he intimated that if if even won the tournament, he
probably step aside.

Speaker 13 (01:58:51):
His contract expires at the end of this year calendar year.

Speaker 30 (01:58:56):
The FA have since A few stories were written this
week suggesting that the FA would would definitely go to
him and try and persuade to stay on, regardless of
the res out in Berlin, and I think there's a
logic to that. I think it's really strange. I mean,
the perception of Southgate has shifted again. I think there
were appeers in this in this tournament, not least when

(01:59:20):
he was being people were pelting him with empty beer glasses,
plastic beer glasses.

Speaker 13 (01:59:25):
You should be said again. After Slovenia and then the
Gulls drawed, it was it was fairly ugly.

Speaker 30 (01:59:31):
I think people would felt that he would have the
handbrake on the team, that the talents that we see
thriving in the Premier League each week weren't being able
to express themselves.

Speaker 13 (01:59:39):
I didn't like the selections.

Speaker 30 (01:59:42):
They thought there was a bit of blind faith with
people like Caine who didn't appear to be functioning at
full throttle and that there was a period where it
was getting a bit dicey, and I think England went
into proper siege mentality mode at that at that stage
started suggesting the world was against him, and it worked
for them. That sort of seemed to get them through
that to shrug themselves awake and get back into some

(02:00:05):
kind of rhythm in the tourn But I think that
would have hurt Southgate hearing that and seeing that amongst
the supporters of media. You know, he doesn't worry so
much about the media, and I think but actually the
groundswell now is he's been vindicated. I mean, everything he's
done in the last few games has come off the
substitutions he's made, the timing of them, the way they

(02:00:26):
prepared for penalties, the unity within the group and the squad,
and the fact that people seem to be getting behind
him and backing him and they are getting results. And
he is the only England manager that has taken England
to two major finals and you know, and three he's
reached three semi finals in four major tournaments in charge
and the others at quarter in Katar and he actually

(02:00:48):
look at his record and it's amazing.

Speaker 13 (02:00:50):
It's brilliant. I mean it's tournament football at its best.

Speaker 30 (02:00:53):
The Blaker's got so much experience as a player and
as a manager in tournaments.

Speaker 13 (02:00:57):
He just knows how to find a way through. The
next thing he's got to do is win one.

Speaker 30 (02:01:03):
And if he does, and he'll have a choice, I
think there'll be a real clamor for him to stay
on for the twenty twenty six World Cup in the
United States, Mexico and Canada. I think people will want
to see him in charge, and you know it's but
he may look at it and think, well, what more
can I do?

Speaker 13 (02:01:20):
I've won as a trophy and I've got an impackable record.
Maybe now is the time.

Speaker 30 (02:01:24):
Maybe his stock will be high at that point and
he might be able to get a club job, or
might just be able to go off into the sunset
a happy man. I think he's been wonderful for England,
wonderful in the context of taking up the range in
twenty sixteen in very difficult circumstances.

Speaker 13 (02:01:41):
With the national team in a very low EBB.

Speaker 30 (02:01:43):
But if you look in the last eight years as
to what has happened in the world, let alone in
justin England. What he's navigated, the sort of sense of
reassurance that he's provided with the way he has spoken
or the way he has behaved or the way he
has coached the team, and the success he's gleaned for
the team at a time when we've gone through COVID,
we've gone through political upheaval in this country and disenchantment,

(02:02:06):
you know, societal problems. Garre Southgate has actually been the
source of reassurance for us all and I think we
will properly miss him if he goes. He is, he's
been that significant. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't
end this tournament with a knighthood at the very very.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
Least wonderful to get your analysis, Don, Thanks so much
for joining us across New Zealand. Mate. I hope the
game goes the way you and your countrymen and women
hope it does, and look forward to catching up again
sometime soon.

Speaker 13 (02:02:32):
I'll just hope he goes better on the rugby game.
Let's see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:35):
It's all the best next yeah, well, if your sake,
I hope it does go better than the rugby seven
and a half away from three Dominic Fifield out of
the Athletic.

Speaker 7 (02:02:43):
In the UK, breaking down the Hail Mary's and the
epic fails.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
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Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Four to three rather News at three than the Weekend
Collector for the first hour of which will be dedicated
to the alleged assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump
at a rally in Pennsylvania. Tyler Adams was in the
chair after an News at three o'clock. Huge thanks to
any McDonald for producing the show this afternoon. As always,
thanks you to you for listening in and for taking part.

(02:03:14):
Lots of great interaction this afternoon. Really enjoyed it. We'll
be back tomorrow night on Sports Talk to mop up
the sporting weekend and back on Weekend Sport next Saturday.
Exit song today, Well, I've heard it said that the
All Blacks escaped last night, so why not escape from
Rupert Holmes the Pinaculata song.

Speaker 8 (02:03:36):
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Speaker 7 (02:03:46):
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