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July 19, 2024 13 mins

The Warriors have lost another winnable game, this time a 2 point defeat to the Raiders in Canberra which leaves their finals hopes hanging by a thread.

Veteran Nrl journalist Phil 'Buzz' Rothfield joins Piney to discuss what has been going wrong for them all season

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
One play left for the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's just that sort of season for them.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Another one goes astray for the Warriors, and the Camera
Raiders have snapped a losing streak which they.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Railed their season.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's not joy, it's relief.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
The Camera Raiders scored one less try but have held
of you never hit it in this game and they
have beat the Warriors twenty eight points to eighteen.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Yeah, the Warrior's path to the NERL playoffs has become
even tougher. Twenty eighteen. They lost to the Raiders in
the Australian capital last night. They called their way back
from an early fourteen NIEL deficit, but Warriors five to eighth.
Chanelle Harris Devita missed a game tying conversion from almost
in front with seven minutes to go. The Warriors actually
outscored the Raiders four tries to three, but just one

(01:03):
of those tries was converted by Adam Pompey before he
left the game with a knee injury, and Chanelle Harris
Tavita took over the kicking and couldn't find the Mark
with any of his three conversion attempts. The result leaves
the Warriors twelfth on the ladder. Six more matches to
come this weekend, seven rounds to play. Let's bring in
hugely respected, vastly experienced rugby league Jouno Phil Buzz Rothfield Phil.

(01:28):
Is it too simple to say better goalkicking would have
won the Warriors that game?

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Look the scoreboard showed that, didn't it. You look the
statistics heare they went. He just didn't land that said
in near the end or any of the other opportunities
that he had. And goal kicking in a competition as
tired as this one is gold it's so crucial. And no,
you've got the non goal kick. You scored more trie

(01:56):
than the Raiders, so you know you're now stuck on
nineteen points. And I think sads is to say, I
think the Warriors can start preparing for Madnes because I
can't see them being involved in finals football this year. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Look, I think the rugby league public around New Zealand
are probably nodding their heads in agreement. But but what
else could the Warriors have done bill last night apart
from laying their shots on goal?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh? Well, they could have turned up at the start
of the game. You know, you don't give any side
in this competition even Look, Camebra's the middle of the
road side. They're not a lowly side. But you can't
give fourteen points start. Look, I know they've got to
come back in them and they've done it before this year.
But mc coole freezing night and the National capital there,

(02:45):
they just gave up, gave away too much start. They
lacked discipline early and yeah, sorry, note I've just got
to move my dog out of this route because he's
stuff in the bark.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
But they wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
They just didn't turn up early and it's very, very
difficult to come back against the Cambra side. It was
as desperate as the Warriors to get the two points
to keep their season alive.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Not turning up early. Mitch Barnet's it afterwards. We're just
finding ways to hurt ourselves. How frustrating must that be
for Andrew Webster and the coaching staff.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh well it's hard to believe. You know, Andrew Webster.
You don't go from a Galliam coach for there or
an ordinary coach. So look, he knows what he's doing.
But you know you've got injuries Johnson, Sean Johnson, Tara Harris,
Luke Metcalf. Guys at rock O'deria are out and you know,
but every side's got injuries. And you had a couple

(03:42):
there in Origin which hasn't helped, which is unusual for
the Warriors to have two State of Origin players. They're
phenomenal athletes, these guys to back up from that colossal
game at sun Court the other night. Look, I don't
know where you go from here, and you know the
reasons for the fact that it just hasn't worked out

(04:03):
as you know, like you'd hoped. I thought you'd be
a stronger outfit this year and seriously challenge for the title.
But it just hasn't, you know, hasn't worked out. You
look at your draw and the run home. You've got
West Tiger's Power, Dolphins, Manly Bulldog Sharks. You know, you
win all those games, you'll you'll make it. But I

(04:25):
can't see you beating Manly away or the Sharks away,
and you know that the Bulldogs are very hard to
beat these days. Look, I just think it's too tough
for assignment from here.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
But we all thought exactly what you said before that
this would be a team that would not only make
the eight, but we were looking at you know, is
this a top four side? Is this a team that
could finally, you know, really challenge for an NRL premiership
or a championship.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Have you seen this sort of thing happen before?

Speaker 5 (04:51):
The teams that are that are highly touted at the
start of a season just somehow find a way to
you know, to disappoint their fans.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Well, yeah, it does happen. You look at the paramatter Rails.
You know, they I know they got rid of Brad
Arpa not so long ago, but they start Most people
would have had them in the top eight at the
beginning of the year. But you know, these are years
you just have the losses. I can't explain. How can
you get rolled sixty six six against the Titans, you know,

(05:24):
and I think the week after around that time they
storm put thirty eight points on them. So that's more
than that. That's an average of fifty points in two
games in a row. And that's just not the Warriors
football and the metal and the you know, the grit
that this football society showed last year. Look, I'm not

(05:46):
blamed because I thought Adam Fanua Blake went all right,
but their decline appears to have coincided, you know, with
problems in the sheds with him his decision to walk
out in the last year of his contract. I don't
know that there was some sort of internal issue to
make Andrew Webster or for him to stand him down.

(06:10):
But you know, they not only had a top four
football side, I thought, but they had that massive, massive
support and you know, they became nearly everyone's second team
even in Australia because of what they've achieved since COVID. Look,

(06:32):
I think they're going to have a look at a roster,
the roster because there's a few people in that football
side and look, I don't really want to single them out,
but they haven't turned up, they haven't justified their pay
packets this year and you know you're not going to
make the finals. So it's going to be a really
interesting post mortem come October.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Just on that if there is an acceptance, and there
won't be because it's still a mathematical possibility. But if
there's an acceptance even privately, that the top eight now
looks unlikely, what should they be doing as a coaching stuff?
Should they be handing younger players, those who are contracted
beyond the end of the season game time.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, look, it's a really good point, you mate. You're
on nineteen points. You've got to buy twenty one six
games to go. You win everything, you'll get thirty three points.
You'll make it, Okay. I reckon thirty two points is
the cutoff. As I explained early when I went through
the schedule, that will not happen. And plus you've got
a negative for and against. Look, I will give it

(07:36):
another couple of weeks and see what. You've got a
nice draw for a Fortnite You've got the West Tigers
and Paramatta. So I'd stick with my A grade side,
no question. Though, in a few weeks time, when it
becomes mathematically impossible to make the eight, it is time.
It is time to experiment because and you know what,

(07:57):
the guys who are going to miss out in selection
won't have reason to go to Andrew Webs and say
this isn't fair. You know why, because they haven't aimed up.
And yeah, it's been a really disappointing year. Because I said,
you've got a lot of it. There's a lot of
fans here in Australia who just admires so much what
they achieved last year and it was good for rugby league.

(08:17):
It really was raiding well on television for that game
last night, I think showed both those football clubs, the
Raiders and the Warriors aren't really top eight sides this year.
You know, it was a pretty messy game and Ricky
Stewart was very quick to concede and his press conference
afterwards that the Raiders were lucky to win on the

(08:39):
back of your Paul goalkicking taine two opick.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
He started at fullback last night, I had to leave
and failed an Hia. Roger to Avasa Chik moved from
the wing, which is where he started, back to full back.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Would you be playing Roger to Ivarsaschik at fullback?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Definitely. I think it's time to make that change. I
think he's a waste on the wing and he's still
a superstar player. Hasn't reproduced anything like the form this
year that when he won the Dally m Award prior
to him moving to rugby union. But you want Roger's
hands on the football at every opportunity. You want him

(09:18):
poking into the back line left or right, side, just
those sweeping movements, that massive step speed he's gotten. Yeah,
I would not be wasting a play of his ability
on the wing. But you know what, I said the
same about sack clack Backs at the start of the year,
when you know a regular center and change planning and

(09:38):
put him under the wing, and he became the best
winger in the NRL this year. But till Barsa checks
the fullback, Will said the fullback, You've got to give
him the opportunity to poke himself into the game wherever
he sees fit. He's so experienced out the back. At fullback,
you can see opportunities in a game. You can decide

(09:59):
when you're going to inject yourself and I think that's
one thing I'd be doing asap.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
The interesting part you mentioned Adan vanua Blake before. The
interesting thing about the NRL is that you can sign
for another team but still have a whole season to
play with the team you're currently at. That's an odd rule,
isn't it, Because there's always going to be question marks
over guys you know, they know they're leaving after the season.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, can I just forget about him for a minute.
I've been banging on about well last week with Jason Rose.
Now he was still employed at Melbourne Storm after he'd
signed with Paramatta and he's a young coach about the
start and he needs to Paramatta again like Bustards, and
he needed to prepare for next year. Same with Wayne Bennett.
Wayne's coaching two sides over here sion with South bringing

(10:45):
their players involved in recruitment, still trying to steer the
Dolphins into the side. Footballers were a little bit different.
I you know, it's it's really tough. You know, players
and fans you know, want to support and shair players
who are committed long term to their football club to

(11:07):
win the premiership. And he made it clear personal reasons
that he wanted out, mind you, at the club and
Camra George had done a great job to pick up
Fisher Harris. But it is odd. I don't like it whatsoever,
but there are rules in place that are allow it
to happen and it's crazy as far as I'm concerned.
And look, I reckon it's detected. He's for He was

(11:28):
the number one prop in the competition last year in
my view, magnificent legs be power and he's not this year.
And it's been unsettling. You know, if he's coming home
for personal reasons, I don't know what they are, but
I wish him well. But I don't like the way
the NRL allows this sort of thing to happen. But

(11:49):
you know what, sadly it happens across the competition, and yeah,
I'd like to see a rule that prevents it from happening.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, I don't think you're the only one just to finish.
If we zoom out, Penrith, the Roosters, the Storm, anyone
from outside of that three going to challenge to win
this whole thing this year?

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Buz, Well, you've got the traffecta down there. Pen refers
to Storm. Look, I think the Roosters could even you know,
it might be their year. You get Joey Mahnhu back
onto the field with Swali in the Sanders. Their meddles
are just extrawdinary. You know, there's one team I do
like if they can ever get some consistency into the game,

(12:28):
and if they could take book fall over with them
wherever they went. I'm really really impressed with that manly roster.
You know that they're a really good footy side, and
you know they've got Turbo at the back again, Tommy
to Allow I Reckon in the Sanders has been one
of the buyers of the year. Cherry Evans back from origin,

(12:49):
great middle, Jake Turbo, Ola Colatu on the edges. You know,
Josh Alloy they're a good side. And I'll tell you
the other by the is Nellie that Nathan Brown in
the front row. So I think Manly could creep up,
take force by and give it a shake.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Great to chat you, Phil, love talking rugby league with you,
getting your expertise. Enjoy the rest of your weekend and
hope you hope your dog's okay. Can let them bark now,
Thank you you too, mate, Phil Buzz Rothfield there one
of the most experienced rugby league journalists going around over
four decades of experience.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
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Speaker 1 (13:29):
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