Full Show Podcast: 28 July 2024

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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Arionn Tedmans, When's gold Summer Macintosh, the decking food and
it's fourth fair Erica Fairweather heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Erica Fairweather just missing the medals and the women's four
hundred meter freestyle final on night one of finals at
the Paris Olympic Game. Olympic Lead for Swimming New Zealand
Gary Francis shortly to reflect on that and what is
the best way for an athlete to bounce back quickly,
especially in the case of someone like Erica Fairweather, who

(01:19):
has three more events to compete and in fact, she's
back in the pool tonight for the heats of the
two hundred freestyle. Coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith going to pop
in this hour with some advice perhaps on that scenario.
We'll look at some of the other noteworthy key we
performances on day one of competition in Paris as well. Meantime,
significant punishments for the Canadian women's football team at the

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Paris Games. FIFA have announced a six point deduction from
their group tally, a big monetary fine, and head coach
Beef Priestman and two members of her staff have been
banned from all football activity for one year. We'll get
you to Canada after one with journalist Dylan Dyson. Other

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matters around today. The All Black squad for the Rugby
Championship named at three o'clock this afternoon. It's going to
go from thirty two to thirty six when analyzed who
might be added with New Zealand Herald Rugby writer Gregor Paul.
The Sales NBL Final, as you heard in our sports
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two thirty tip off. Going to preview that with commentator

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Justin Nelson. England men's football manager Gareth Southgate has stepped
down from the role after eight years in charge. Owen
Eastwood is a Kiwi born, UK based performance coach who
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Speaker 4 (03:29):
They turn for home. Let's look at the splits. Let's
see where Erica Fairweather is. She's gained a spot, She's
up to fifth. Has she got more to give? Can
she climb on the decie? The decies in third looks
to be slowing. It's Tatmas's race. Has fear Weather got
a kick? Can she find enough to get her bronze medal?
Tatmos coming for home? It's her gold medal, Arian Titmos.

(03:52):
When's gold and it's fourth for Erica Fairweather.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, heartbreak for the Dunedian's swimmer this morning fourth ari
On Tiitmas of Australia winning gold ahead of Canada's Summer Macintosh.
Caddie La Deeckie of the United States was in third,
but Erica fair Our fair Weather was closing the gap
down the final fifteen meters and just ran out of
Paul unfortunately. Shortly after the race finish, I spoke with
Olympic Lead for Swimming in New Zealand, Gary Francis, and

(04:20):
I suggested that very thing to Gary. If there'd been
another twenty meters, Erica probably would have won the bronze medal.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, I think you've You're exactly right, Jason. I think
that she just run out of run, out of meters
at the end. There.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
It was a very nervous final, wasn't it. You know,
the four fastest girls pretty much ever, and none of
them really swum anywhere near their best.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
You could just.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
See how tense it was. And yeah, I think that
she she just didn't get close enough in the middle
part of the race. Always knew that get to the
last fifty seventy five meters. And regardless of the fact
that all the three other girls actually have a faster
two hundred and one hundred time on paper than Erica,

(05:05):
we know, we know the last the last part of
the race. She's very strong and she came through again,
but yeah, just a little bit too much for her
to do this time.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
How did you assist the way she swum in the
heat this morning? She got their ahead of Summermicantosh, I
know you always hold something back in a heat. How
did you assist her heat?

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Well, because the heat was that wasn't the last heat,
that it was the second, it was the first of
the two seeded heats. You can't afford to be too
complacent because you know four oh three made the final,
and you know they were four four o two's. I
think the most important thing is to try to touch

(05:45):
the wall first, and to touch the wall first with
using the least amount of energy, and I think she
did that really well. She's found that beautifully this morning
and she certainly, you know, was she She felt really
good and she had plenty left, so we're really I mean,
she she did a really good job this morning and

(06:05):
she was ready to go tonight, and it just wasn't
quite enough.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
As you say, the star power though in those middle lanes,
four of the fastest women ever over four hundred meters,
four of five who have gone under four minutes for
this distance. But as you say, it's it's funny what
occasion can do to people, because as you pointed out,
it wasn't really the perfect race from any of them,
was it.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
No, No, not at all. I think the race was
predictable in that we always know how Tipmas is going
to swim, she's going to gun it, and she's going
to try and destroy everybody in the first two hundred.
We weren't too sure how Macintosh would swim. She's you know,
she's she's done it in different ways in the past,

(06:48):
and we know that Katie Ldecki will also swim the
middle and the end part of the race strong. And
you know, Erica's job was just to be right in
there and not be in with a chance to swim
people down at the end, and she just wasn't quite
close enough. But it was really interesting to see that
the times were actually quite slow and four minutes we've

(07:12):
got to gota middle and you know, it's just that
that's sport at this level. It's not really no one
cares if you break the world record. It's about getting
the medal, isn't it. And in the end, tipmas And
and Macintosh were able to do that, and and Decky
was able to hold off Erica at the end.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So always lessons learned.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
But yeah, it was it was. It was a tough race.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
It must be hard to process for Erica as well.
You know, obviously these pinnacle events are what you know,
our top athletes work their way towards. And we've arrived
here and she she hasn't quite been able to achieve
the goal that she set for herself. How do you
assess her ability to process it? Obviously to be disappointed,
but she's still got other events to swim, hasn't.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
She Well, I'll you know, I watched at the end
of the the end of the race as she walked
back past myself and her coach Lars.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
And she was in tears.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Obviously she's very, very upset, but at the same time
she her tears were tears of you know, a mixture
of this woman frustration. She's gone back to our team area,
she's stripped into her dogs to swim down, and she's
already now starting to process. She'll think about the swim.

(08:30):
She wants to get back into pool tomorrow and try
and do a better job in the two hundred. So yeah,
there'll be time to reflect on this. But already now
it's right, Okay, that one didn't that one didn't work.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
I've got to get on with it.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
I've got another race tomorrow. And she's really you know,
this is a sign of her maturity. She's already starting
to think about tomorrow. She can't dwell on this for
too long, just in the same way that had she
got the medal, we couldn't over celebrate it. Go to
get back in and get on with it. So yeah,
I mean, it's a tough one to take, but it's

(09:07):
I think the fact that the rest of this. You know,
if they'd all swim around three fifty five, maybe the
world record had gone and Erica had gone four oh one.
I think she would have been like, well, what's going on?
You know, why did I swim so badly? But I
think that in the context of the race, we can
see that it was there must have been a hell
of a lot of tension in the core room beforehanded,
and again she went down to the core room, she

(09:28):
was in you know, she was in the right frame
of mind. But it just shows you at this level
for all of those swimmers, how it affected them.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Absolutely right. Well, she's back in action tonight, as you say,
that's tonight for us, overnight for you, back in the poll,
as is Lewis Clearbird in one of his in fact
has favored events. Look, I don't want to jinx anything here, Gary,
but what feeling do you get from from Lewis at
the moment?

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Well, I think one of the things that Lewis was
in this morning and he's had it, He's been observing
what's been going on.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
He looked at the heats this morning.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
Again, the heats were quite nervous all around in all
of the events this morning. You know, he's he's kind
of a I mean this in the nicest way. Lewis
is a kind of a predator. He's a real racer
and he will you know, he's pretty good at detecting
any kind of tension and weakness, So if he can

(10:25):
latch onto that and not get affected himself, I think
he's going to go pretty good tomorrow. You know, he's
he's pretty experienced. He does race well under pressure. But
I guess there's pressure, and then there's the Olympics, isn't there.
So we will see tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (10:44):
You know.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
I don't want to jinx him, and I don't want
to put any extra kind of expectation on him, but
hate his preparation has gone really well, as has all
of the swimmers, and this I think we may not
have seen the fastest times so far. Tonight we saw
the men's four hundred and three promise and still come

(11:05):
up short of a world record. But the overall, the
overall feeling of the standard here and what we're seeing
in the warm up pool and in the training areas,
the sport has moved to an different level, and I
think we're starting to see the Olympics in the pool
becoming similar to the Olympics on the track. You've got

(11:28):
to be strategic, you know. It's about it's about winning
the medal the time. It's great if you get it,
but it's about winning the medal. So we shall see
how we go tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Indeed, can you tell us a bit about that the complex,
the aquatic scener there, Garrett, looks amazing on television. It's
quite new, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Well, it's it's actually the Racing ninety two's rugby stadium. Yes,
it's an amazing, an amazing stadium. It's forty thousand seats
if it was a rugby stadium. The pool is actually
for the people at home to picture it. The poor
is actually set up across it would be across the

(12:08):
twenty two, so it's in the tri zone and up
to the twenty two across the stadium, so it gives
you an idea of the size of the stadium. And
then the spectators are wrapping around what would be behind
the goalposts, and then the press and media area is
pretty much from I guess from somewhere between the twenty

(12:32):
two and the ten yard line and or the ten
meter line, and then the halfway line and then the
other side of that is the warm up area and
the warm up poul stretches at right angles, so the
warm up pool pretty much goes to the far end
of the rugby field and then the rest of the
area is for the team preparations. It's an unbelievable stadium,

(12:54):
it really is. And the noise in here tonight. I
mean I've been in Rio, which was pretty bloody noisy.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
When the you know, the crowd was.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
Stamping on the on the ground and the stadium was
actually moving, but that tonight was something else.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Again.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
It was really pretty special, amazing.

Speaker 9 (13:14):
Gary.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Thank you so much for joining us painting a picture
for us. Much more to come in terms of events
for our New Zealand swimmers to compete in Powis. Look
forward to staying in touch and again thank you for
taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
Always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Thanks very much, Jason, No, thank you, no, thank you Gary.
Gary Francis there. He is the Olympic lead for swimming
New Zealand twelve twenty. If you watched that this morning,
I just felt gutted for her. I kind of watched
Derek Affair weather over the last three or four years
since She made the Olympic final in Tokyo as a
seventeen year old. Remember she was still at school at

(13:49):
the last Olympics. Get how young these athletes are. And
over the last three years she's gradually improved and become
someone who I guess we started to pin our hopes
on and if not, you know, if not that, then
certainly we thought that she may be a chance, had
to be a chance of a medal. You look at

(14:09):
that stacked four hundred meter freestyle field and it's you know,
often you know, you get a generational swimmer right to
Michael Phelps, and you say, why how am I going
to beat him? But in that field there are there
are three absolutely generational swimmers that eric A fair Weather

(14:30):
came up against, and it is no disgrace to be
fourth behind those three well DECKI Titmas Macintosh, three absolutely
outstanding swimmers, as is eric A Fairweather. Now she's got
to get back in the pool tonight, and I wonder
whether that's you know, something that maybe they often say,
you know that you want to get back on the

(14:52):
horse after a bad game. A team wants to get
back out there. I'm not I don't know whether that's
true or not for swimmers, Whether there'll be this lingering
disappointment for Erica. I mean, you could tell afterwards, and
we'll play some wadeo in a moment, just how guarded
she was. What wouldn't she be? You know? I was
actually not pleased necessary, but it was nice to see

(15:12):
some emotion. And she's always just been, as I say,
so laid back, so authentic, so real. Still only twenty,
I mean, she'll be younger than I think, certainly younger
than Ladeci and Titmas at the next Olympic Games in
terms of how old they are now. So another four
years it must seem hard though, right, must have to

(15:34):
look ahead, and it must be like losing a Rugby
World Cup, that old phrase the George Gregan. Four more
years it must seem like an awfully long way away
to get the chance to achieve that dream of an
Olympic medal. Having said that, she's in another couple of
events Erica fair Weather. She swims in the heats of
the two hundred freestyle tonight. She's also in the eight

(15:56):
hundred meter freestyle and in the four x two hundred
meter freestyle relay. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If
you watched that race this morning or anything that occurred
to you from the Olympics overnight, there was there was
a I don't know, it was a funny old night.
Andy and I were sitting here saying, okay, what are
we to talk about in the show today? And obviously
Erica was was probably the thing that we both agreed on.

(16:17):
But then you look at what happened overnight, and well,
there were no medals, so there's nothing, you know, nothing
to hang a hat on there, and you know, there
were bits and pieces here and there. It's not as
a false start. I'm sure there'll be much more to come.
The other person in the pool tonight is Lewis Clarebird,
and I mentioned that to Gary Francis just then in

(16:39):
the heats tonight of the four hundred meters individual medley,
that is his favorite event. The final of that is
tomorrow morning. It's six thirty and unlike Erica Fairweather, it's
not like a stacked field of you know, it's not
three or four you know, amazing medley swimmers. There's one,

(17:02):
the local Hope Marchal, the Frenchman, and he seems to
be ahead of just about everybody, But then there's a
bunch of swimmers, a group of swimmers who could all
on their night get on that podium. So it was
clear tonight in the heats of the four hundred meter
individual medley and the final hopefully tomorrow morning. It's six

(17:23):
thirty and eric a fair Weather in the heats of
the two hundred meters freestyle tonight. That's a stacked field
and not her specialty, but who knows. You might get
out there and be driven on by what happened this morning.
The semis of that event are tomorrow morning, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two. If
you would prefer to center text. Here is eric a

(17:43):
fair Weather in the mix soon afterwards, chatting to our
friends from sky.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Credible to be amongst hatfielders for how are you feeling
right now? Yeah, I'm obviously a little bit gunned to
get fourth. Nobody wants to be there, but I done
myself part.

Speaker 10 (17:57):
I mean, that was an Olympic part and I just
came forth in it, so can't complain too much. How
much should you leave it all out there?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I mean that was everything I had in the bank today.

Speaker 10 (18:06):
It wasn't the performance I wanted to put down at all.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I've been much faster, and I think I could go
much faster, but that's.

Speaker 10 (18:12):
The nature of sport. You can't always be on Can
you put it down to anything? No, I think it
just it is what it is today.

Speaker 11 (18:19):
Do you think once this disappointment phase you'll look back
on this race of the century and feel proud of
being involved in.

Speaker 10 (18:25):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I mean I might be a little bit upset now,
but I can definitely see the bright side of it already.

Speaker 9 (18:29):
And do you think when Katie Le retires it might.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I'd love to be on the podium in spite of that,
or you know, being amongst those girls is awesome. You know,
I'm in one of the most competitive races there are,
so I can't.

Speaker 10 (18:42):
Complain at all.

Speaker 9 (18:43):
Did you pet the gage before you were at the race?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (18:45):
I did it, just it didn't click for me and
that's okay.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
Yeah that's actually nothing.

Speaker 10 (18:52):
Yeah that was that was it Onday.

Speaker 9 (18:54):
Do you think Arion can be beaten must.

Speaker 10 (18:56):
I think I think anyone can be beaten.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, she's proving at the moment that girls can
go superuper fast of us. I mean, she's pushing the
boundaries to the max and I'm excited to see where
it goes.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
You see the.

Speaker 10 (19:09):
Suning Heaving signed you expen that line next year?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean I've raised them all before. I'm starting
to get a bit more used to it now, but
you know it's an Olympic final and that never changes.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
It's Eric affair with it. In the mix zone as
they call it. That's when all the media actually not
just the team at Sky get the chance to ask
some questions, what I mean, some voices. You're recognized and
there Eric A Fairweather being generous with her time, being
authentic as usual. Twelve twenty six on News talks 'b
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Speaker 3 (19:56):
Twelve twenty nine. Give fair Weather or break. She's just
twenty years of age. Coming forwards is awesome. She's a
bubbly person with a whole career in front of her.
Stop down playing her. I don't know the I was
doing that, And if it came across that I was
downplaying her, then I absolutely, unreservedly apologized for giving you
that perception, because I think what she's achieved is absolutely magnificent.

(20:17):
Being able to swim that distance under four minutes and
be one of only five women in history to do that,
I think it's an incredible achievement. So any impression I
gave you that I was downplaying what she's done this morning,
I'm sorry. That was absolutely not on my mind at all.

(20:39):
Graham says Piney. I'm a complete novice on swimming sports.
But when I saw those names Addie on Tipmas, Katie Leadecki,
some of Macintosh come out, I thought Erica would have
to swim the race of her life. Fourth is commendable
against three absolute legends. Totally agree, Graham. Hello, Willie, there.

Speaker 12 (20:55):
You go there, Pony, very good will you. I haven't
talked to you for a while, but I thought I
would come on and just congratulate Erica for what she achieved.
She should be proud of herself, and New Zealand should
look at this woman and say the same thing. We've
watched her swim and what she with the performance gated
was today was magnificent. And everybody out there should just

(21:17):
embrace the Kiwi congratulator and welcome her into the It's
hard enough just getting into the Olympics. Little one coming
under fourth and under four minutes. I put out a
big congratulation to her and the competitive second air in
the Olympics.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
All right, oh no, good on you.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Wellie, I totally agree. And you'll know, being the student
of swimming that you are, how infrequent frequently we've got
on that podium. Only six Olympic medals in swimming in
our history. The last one was ninety six when Daniel
Loedo got his two golds in Atlanta. It is very,
very difficult to win a swimming medal at the Olympics.

Speaker 12 (21:57):
And I can understand your trying to hold back the
tears because I've seen it before. Now I once said.
All I can say is congratulations, Erica, you've done the country.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Pair good on your willie, well said mate, very well
said how are you?

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Lol?

Speaker 13 (22:14):
Yeah, not too bad mate. The highlight for me this
morning was the woman's four by one hundred relay. I
don't know if you know. But Australia have won at
the last four consecutive Olympics.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
And what happened this morning Australia won And again so
was that number four or was that number five in
a row?

Speaker 14 (22:36):
It's number four.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's still It's still a bloody good record, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (22:41):
Yeah, I'm so proud of Elliott tickmas Moss is a
gold Coast Gill the key we girl.

Speaker 15 (22:48):
Yeah, I just don't think.

Speaker 13 (22:50):
It was her day.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Well, it's a tough it's a tough field, Laul, Right,
it's a tough field, man, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (22:57):
Oh it is.

Speaker 13 (22:58):
I mean, Australia produces great rugby league players, but we
probably produced better swimmers.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (23:04):
It's good weather all year round here and this conducive
sort of producing pats sort of athlete we'll hauld Jerry
Speck to New Zealand, they probably don't hit the facilities.
They've probably got the athletes, but they don't really hit
the facilities to develop them to the level they do here.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I just love the I love the battle between Australia
and the United States and the pool. Obviously I want
us to do well, but I understand our you know,
our limitations and most of the events. But whenever I
see the US and Australia those two caps side by side,
particularly in the relay, I have to say, Lyle, I
absolutely love it. Man, I love it.

Speaker 13 (23:48):
Oh yeah, I mean you're going to get the American
s there, Jews, they're very good, but we push them
all away.

Speaker 15 (23:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Look, I spoke to Adam Peacock yesterday, Australian correspondent. He
didn't he didn't think that that Australia would get the
metal hall that the United States will in the pool?
Do you do you concur you agree?

Speaker 14 (24:11):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (24:13):
Do you ever get it?

Speaker 13 (24:14):
I don't think there'll be very much in it. I
mean we're headed the metal table across the board at
the moment, obviously because swimming start.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
Yes, yes, but the men's.

Speaker 13 (24:25):
Went down to the Americans. I think we came in
about third place, but I think it will.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh lol, I've just ought you're still there. I've just
last year. I've just last year. Sorry, low, I think
we've got most of your most of your viewpoint. Always
enjoyed chatting to you, mate. Thanks for taking the time
for to call up Ian Hi you want to said
about him?

Speaker 16 (24:46):
A twig yeah, what, I'm nice of it, Jason. I
couldn't believe it made that. Woman's not a really been
a very big woman. She's sort of smallish and she
just went to do what she did. Rowing just amazing, mate,
I'm really please. I hope a family are there watching
her and things like that. I really for her and

(25:07):
the one on the swimming My congratulations go to her
too sort of things, Jace.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah, Emma Twig is amazing. Ian, she is. She is
an absolute pocket rocket. And you're right over stalking to
Francesca about her before and you know exactly just what
I said. She's just a power to weight ratio similar
to Hamish Bond actually because he wasn't a big guy either,
but man, he could make that boat go fast.

Speaker 16 (25:35):
Yeah, and it was fantastic. I love this because I've
been watching quite a bit. I'm half asleep now, mate,
I might have to go and have a few winks.

Speaker 17 (25:43):
Good on.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, Ian, thanks for taking the time to call before
you're not off mate, Michael High.

Speaker 18 (25:48):
I'm good, Jason, thanks for talking. Just a couple of things.
Congratulations to all who made the Olympic team for a
start litt alone if they didn't overly flash. But well,
I've been some good stuff, amazing swimming, amazing sculling so far,
and it brings me back the point of call, Jason.
You can't do anything about it, but there may be

(26:09):
some powers to be who listen if you've got a
daughter in say in that like the finals of four
hundred three style, and they they're on the outside lane
and one of the outside lanes with you know what
I mean. But the camera work and the commentators always
number one and two, that's all they look at. Underwater
shots always number one and two. Both shots always number

(26:31):
one and two. Head on shots number one and two.
If I wasn't my daughter or son was in a
race there, or your sister or whatever, you'd want to
see you you want to see the hometown person doing right,
they could, you know, concentrate on them, if you know
what I mean.

Speaker 8 (26:44):
I do.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, I do. Michael hard though, isn't it. You're right?
They do do the white shot, and they do that
aerial shot and you see all eight lanes and it
gives you a really good idea of everybody is in
comparison to one another year. But I guess, I guess
that's the nature of us, especially in a race like
the four hundred, where they tend to spread out of it.
So for the last one hundred, one hundred and fifty minutes,
You're right, it is often just those at the head
of the field. But I guess that's natural.

Speaker 8 (27:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (27:05):
But the thing is that in some of the long races,
like the rowing this morning at two hundred and two kilometers,
they've got plenty of time. But if they had a
close up of say somebody from Bournmouth, you know, they're
not likely to get somewhere. You know, I'm not being awful,
but the locals will be crowding around the TV's at

(27:26):
home or the wireless or something and trying to watch
and see our hometown girl, little boy. But they're not there.
They're not even shown, they're not featured over How long
does it take seven minutes or something?

Speaker 5 (27:37):
To do?

Speaker 15 (27:38):
You know?

Speaker 18 (27:38):
If you know what I mean, they're I.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Do, Michael, I do. Yeah, it's a valid point you make.
It is I guess they've only the director's only got
he's got the choice of shots, and I guess the
money shot off and is that one of who's leading
the race? But yep, know your points A good one
and well made. Thanks for calling through twenty three to one.
Going to take a break, come back and hit across
the Tasman to get some coaching advice from our coaching

(27:59):
guru Wayne Goldsmith on what is the best way to
bounce back quickly from adversity when you've got I'm back
in the pool Twenty four hours later, Wayne Goldsmith on
the show After.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
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News talks.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Be heartbreak for eric A fair Weather in the pool
this morning. I wanted to get a view from our
coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith, who joins us regularly on the show,
and how she best puts this behind her, given she
has three more events to compete in starting tonight and
consultation with her coach. What strategies could she use? Wayne?
First of all, how challenging will it be for eric

(28:45):
A Fairweather to put this behind her and to almost
immediately refocus on her next event?

Speaker 15 (28:50):
Well, first of all, we're going to say how proud
New Zealand should be of Erica.

Speaker 19 (28:55):
That man.

Speaker 15 (28:56):
She got beaten by the current world record holder, by
the Canadian Son Macintosh, who broke the world four hundred
im record only a few weeks ago, and the greatest
female distance swimmer of all times. So it's I don't know,
it's like being beaten by the All Blacks by a
point in a final of the World Cup. I mean,

(29:18):
it's you know where I think all New Zealand should
be so proud of what she's done here there. But
you're exactly right. The challenge is now, as it is
with so many athletes that have got high expectations, either
they put on themselves or people have placed on them,
to say, all right, didn't quite get where I wanted

(29:39):
to be, didn't get the result that I quite expected. However,
I need to be at my absolute best and quickly.
So the question is really how do you move on?
And I take it back to an NRL story, believe
it or not, where I was sitting talking with Tobe
Sexton's there with the Bulldogs and at the time he

(30:00):
was with the Gold Coast Titans, and we're having a
chat about how do you get players to move on
quickly after a tribes been scored and he was talking
about he said, look, I noticed as a halfback that
I'm in the ingyle area and the players are talking
about who missed the tackle and how disappointed they were

(30:20):
and talking about where the gap was, And I said, Davie,
the bottom line is we've got to ask the question,
what do I need to do now and what do
I need to do next? Because made as humans, we're
all focused on what's happened, what we know has gone before.
The trick is to get our brains focused on what

(30:43):
do I need to do now? What must I do next?
Where do I in their case, where do I have
to stand off the kickoff? So to bring them into now,
to bring them into the moment and get them out
of their head, which is living in the past.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
And then I guess leads into the analysis of what
went wrong. I get the feeling. What you're going to
tell me is that the analysis of the four hundred
freestyle can wait for now.

Speaker 15 (31:09):
There's nothing and is a great liner like the pony,
which is there's nothing that you can do now from
a physical perspective that's going to make you any better.
But she's you could do a lot of things to
stuff it up, and I think, what a lot of
inexperienced coaches do. You know, first time coaches and the Olympics.
Quite often what they do is they over analyze and
they say, you.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
Know what we've got to do.

Speaker 15 (31:29):
We've got to swim it the way Fittma swim at all.
We've got to play the way the French played in
the sevens. We're going to change everything because that's what
they're doing. Dumbest thing you could ever do is to
change what's worked for you, letting up. She's a world champion,
you know, she is a hell of a good swimmer.
So the things that you've done to get to the

(31:50):
Olympics and the things that you've done to be that
good will hold you together right now. And may look,
I've been in these rooms in Olympic villages and in
Olympic war rooms as you call them, and you sit
down and say, wow, we've got to turn things around quickly.
The most experienced coaches that I've worked with, so the
don Talbots in swimming and some of the great ones

(32:11):
that have been there over and over again, they just
look at you and say, when you ask what are
we going to do? They basically say, don't change anything,
if anything. I know it sounds really crazy. Do less.
The general rule before Olympic game starts is work hard.
There general rule once it starts, once you're in the
environment is rest more, recover more, regenerate more, look after

(32:36):
your mental health, sleep better. There's nothing you can do
physically to make yourself better once you're in the environment.
It's all about sticking to the things that have got
you there in the first place.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
I'm sure that there would have been a routine in
place for Erica and for other swimmers who were involved
in multiple events, because she's certainly not the only one
when lose or whatever after the four hundred, there would
have been a plan for her for the twelve twenty
four hours after that as she hits into the two
hundred free. So sticking to that is key, from what

(33:09):
I'm hearing you say.

Speaker 15 (33:10):
It is. And look what you can do, and what
some coaches will do is you change something, but change nothing.

Speaker 9 (33:17):
So what I mean by that is you.

Speaker 15 (33:19):
Might change something that is in reality testimony. I can't
even say that without my false second. But you might
change something, not because it's going to make any physical
or technical change in reality, but the athlete goes, you know, okay,
that's going to make me better. Sometimes you play a
little bit of a mind game where you go, you

(33:41):
know what, I've been thinking about the race. You know
what I think we should do. Why don't we change
instead of using your left hand, we use your right
hand on that? And they go, oh, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (33:51):
See you're giving them something small to focus on. Where
they go, yep, I've made a change. It's going to
improve me. In reality, it probably is here or there,
doesn't really make a difference. But sometimes with some athletes,
you give them a little thing, just a tiny, tiny
thing that they can focus on that gives them the

(34:11):
confidence to say, hey, okay, I learned from yesterday. My
coaches come up with an idea for me, and we're
going to change something just to give them a little
bit of a boost if they need it. But again,
it would be very very small. You wouldn't change anything substantial.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Everyone's going to have an opinion. Obviously, there are only
certain opinions, very small number of opinions that will actually
count to Eric Afairweather. But in terms of athletes in
her position staying off their screens, is that something that
you would encourage as a coach.

Speaker 15 (34:43):
Oh yeah, look, I got up this morning and because
I'm into sport and swimming particularly or there were so
many emails and texts and social media posts and so
many of them.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (34:55):
They should apply for a license to be able to
use a keyboard because some of the comments right across
the board were just ridiculous. There was a conspiracy theory
about the Chinese team, for example, that I read this
morning that they deliberately swim slowly to lose the final
of the relay because they wanted to catch people off guard.

(35:16):
I mean, it was just so much rubbish, you know.
And if you're an athlete in the village and you're
going what I need is I need a little bit
of reassurance or I need something to make me feel better.

Speaker 8 (35:28):
I need.

Speaker 15 (35:30):
A quick emotional hit to read something positive, and you
go on social media. It just doesn't work. And look
what you said, Pin is exactly right. You have a
small group of people that you listen to and trust
and you put your faith in them. So it could
be for example, your coach and your life partner, or
your coach and your mum and dad, or coach and

(35:52):
your best friend or two members of your team. You
have a very small circle and if you want help
and support, you'd go to them one of the Again,
another I love talking about is another thing you've got
to be really careful of is to have set all
this up beforehand with the team on how you'll deal
with win, lose, or draw. So what I mean by

(36:14):
that often say to teams that are going to big competitions,
it doesn't matter what happens, They're going to be on
an emotional rollercase to feeling great if they do well,
feeling not so good if they do poorly. When they
come back to be part of the team, be their rock,
be stable, be strong, be positive, be helpful, be caring.
Don't give them too much advice, because if they're already

(36:38):
trying to sift through and figure out a simple, clear
path forward and they're getting one hundred and ninety two
different voices in their ear, it only makes things more
complicated and more difficult. And I think that's where the
relationship between coaches and their athletes become vitally important, because
in moments like these, you just want to hear one

(36:58):
voice that.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
You know and trust, and you've got faith in so
much wisdom, why just one final thing? And this might
be a hard question to answer, but in your experience,
when a swimmer, let's stay with swimming, When a swimmer
experience is disappointment but then has to get back in
the poll straight away, is that typically generally a good thing?

(37:21):
Or will someone's performance just naturally go down but because
of the disappointment of the first race, if you get
what I'm asking, yeah, no, My view.

Speaker 15 (37:31):
Is as always made. It comes down to preparation. And
it's the same as when you're working on football teams,
isn't it is that you go in thinking, yo, I
want to win the game, But what happens if we
lose someone in the first ten minutes? What happens if
we get a nine to one penalty count, what happens
if all of a sudden it's eighteen mil at a
half time? You play out all those different possibilities and

(37:53):
you prepare for them, and you know, I know, when
I've been in camps and when I've been in the
villages with athletes over the years, you get to this
moment and you want them to feel howard and powerful
and that what happens to the next is their choice
is that yesterday was yesterday. I can't do anything about

(38:15):
what happened. All we're focused on is what do I
do now? And point it can come down some really
simple things like okay, what are we going to do now?
We're going to get in and do some easy laps,
or then we're going to do what We're going to
go to the village and have a really good meal.
What are we going to do and we're to have
a nice nap and asleep and sticking to simple practical

(38:36):
things that you can do and be focused on what
comes next. I mean that word next, and even more importantly,
I guess the word now, what are we going to
do now?

Speaker 8 (38:48):
What do we do here?

Speaker 15 (38:49):
What are you going to do next? Bring it from
the past into writing and right now, because mate, as
you and I know, I haven't had breakfast even it's
a little bit late, but I'm about to choose what
I eat for breakfast, and because that's about to happen,
I can't control what I had to eat or drink.
Lass can't do anything about what's gone. And to get

(39:09):
the athletes in that mindset to say I choose to
move on and swim really really fast. I choose to
be remarkable tomorrow. I choose to warm up brilliantly. I
choose to eat well, I choose to sleep well. You
give them that sense of real empowerment, and it takes
away a lot of that. Well, this happened yesterday. I

(39:32):
have no control over the past, but I can control
what I do, where I am. And how do I
approach it right now?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Well, I can only hope that erik A fair Weather
has the kind of wisdom wrapped around her that you've
provided us this afternoon. Wayne, Always love getting your insight.
Thanks for taking the call. We might see if we
can catch up again next week, because no doubt something
will happen in the week you hit at these Olympic
games that'll be worth discussing, So please keep your phone
on if that's okay.

Speaker 15 (39:58):
Always a pleasure, my friend, Always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Good on your Wayne. Thanks indeed, Wayne Goldsmith there a
regular contributor to the show and always with pearls of
wisdom on whatever topic we throw his way. On text
from Bob Jason, you've been going on all morning about
eric A fair Weather losing. Just leave her alone. She
did bloody well in most people's eyes except yours. I
doubt you'll read this out because the truth hurts. Bob. Thanks.

(40:21):
I have not mentioned the word losing at all with
regards to eric A fair Weather. I said before if
I've been giving out the perception that I, in any
way have, you know, have any disappointment in what she did,
it is the wrong perception I've been given out and
apologize for that. I think Erica did herself, her family

(40:41):
and us proud, absolutely magnificent. She made an Olympic final.
How many Keywis can lay claim to that fourth in
an Olympic final? Even fewer an absolute champion seven four
to one news talks they'd be after the news that
one want to get you to Canada. Big sports story overnight.

(41:01):
The punishment handed down to the Canadian football team, a
six point deduction from their group at the Olympics, two
hundred thousand Swiss francs fine and beef priestman. The head
coach has been banned from all football activity for a year.
Really significant punishment. So we'll cover that off and the
National Basketball League final this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (41:22):
Pleas to discuss the biggest sports issues on and after fields.
It's all on regain Ford with Jason Vaine on your
Home of sport US.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
All one seven. Hello and welcome back into the show,
or welcome into the show, as the case may be.
Want to get you to Canada shortly to discuss this
rather significant punishment handed down to the Canadian women's football team.
It's a three pronged punishment. They've been docked points at

(41:55):
the Olympic Games, They've been handed a fairly hefty fine,
and their head coach and a couple of her assistants
have been banned from all football for a year. New
Zealand Football though, as you heard and then you're still
not that happy about it, you might have some views
on it. Textan Jason, how did our equestrian events go overnight?

(42:19):
I can tell you pretty well. New Zealand a fourth
after the dressage. In the three day event they go
dressage show jumping, no sorry, dressage, cross country show jumping.
New Zealand fourth overall and as far as the individuals
are concerned, Clark Johnston is the best of them, tied
for ninth individually, Tim Price twelfth and Janelle Price twenty seventh.

(42:45):
So that's how they have gone overnight. But to Canada
we go significant punishments for the Canadian women's football team
at the Paris Olympic Games. FIFA has announced a six
point deduction from their group tally at the Games. That've
been fined two hundred thousand Swiss francs, which is four

(43:06):
hundred thousand New Zealand dolls, and their head coach Bev
Priestman and two members of her staff have been banned
from all football activity for the period of a year.
Canadian support staff twice used drones to spy on New
Zealand training sessions ahead of their games opener on Thursday.
Canada won the match two to one, meaning they go

(43:30):
from minus six to minus three and stay last in
Group A. Incidentally, New Zealand don't get the points, it's
just Canada who lose them. Dylan Dyson is an Ottawa
based sports reporter who joins US on Weekend Sport. Dylan,
thanks for lending us your expertise. What did you make
first of all of these sanctions handed down by.

Speaker 11 (43:52):
FIFA, Yeah, Jason, I thought these were some pretty heavy
handed sanctions were given to the Canadian women's national team.
You know, it's a triple whamy. It's the points deduction,
it's the suspension of the coach. And it's the financial
fine as well. I mean, anyone here who follows Canadian

(44:12):
soccer knows that Canada soccer has been in financial turmoil
for some time, so you know, just the extra fine
just you know, ads on top of it all. But
like you said, a minus three point total after one
game at the Olympics, I mean, I've never seen that
before in my life. We've seen you points deductions for
teams like Juventus or Everton, notdham Forrest this past year.

(44:37):
I've never seen the points total in the negatives. And
you know, all of this together seems very heavy handed
and I feel extremely bad for the players. I think
that's a sentiment all across Canada. It's the poor judgment
from the coaching staff to you know, blatantly cheat like this.
I mean, Canada are defending gold medal champions from the

(44:59):
Olympics in women's soccer, and you know there's no need
for them to go out and try and cheat this
where they have a strong team, and it's just it's
unethical in Canadians, in Canada's view. And you know, Canada
has this perception that we're all very nice over here
and to an extent that is true. But you know,

(45:20):
with that personality, you know, we also feel a great
deal of shame when things like this happen.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Sounds like a similar kind of psyche to what we
have here in New Zealand. How long do you think
this has been going on? Do you have a gut
feel on that.

Speaker 11 (45:37):
It's it's really tough to to think about how long
that's been going on, because not long ago, just a
couple of days ago. John Herdman, who is currently head
coach at Toronto of C in the MLS, he was
the women's national team head coach prior to the Priestman,

(45:57):
and you know, he says, you know, this wasn't going
on under my watch. You know, he was head coach
for a number of years with the Canadian women's national
team and you know, drone usage recently kind of when
I say recently in air quotes, recently kind of came
into heavy usage in sports and recreationally. But he says

(46:22):
that never took place. And then you know, our sister
station here in Canada TSN reported that, you know, John
Herdman showed drone footage to you know, offwards of a
dozen seventeen players on the Canadian men's national team. When
he left the women's team, he joined the men's national team.
Now he's with Toronto i FC. Now it's it's bad

(46:45):
priestsman who's done this and has been successful with Canada.
So it's it's very disheartening and it's tough to imagine
how far back this could go. And to look at
Canada soccer as an organization. We have come so far
in such a short period of time over the last three,

(47:05):
four or five years. Is you know, great qualification campaign
for the twenty twenty two World Cup, a great showing
at the most recent Cocoa America tournament, and to think
a lot of that could be tarnished by the actions
and poor judgment of you know, a few coaching staff members.

(47:27):
It's a real gut punch to Canadian soccer fans.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Do you think the play is new?

Speaker 11 (47:36):
That's that's that's a great question. I mean there's being
a lot of former women's national team players come out
to say they didn't know, you know, our greatest ever player,
Christine Sinclair, who scored you know, over three hundred goals
for Canada. She says, you know, they never saw any

(47:58):
footage of this type. You know, former goalkeepers coming out saying,
I did my research on penalty shootout to you know,
win US games. I never saw footage like that. So
it's you want to believe these players who put their
heart and soul into the match, who you know, kiss
the badge and pride every time they win for Canada,

(48:23):
and so you want to be on their side and
believe what that they're saying. They never saw any drone
footage or any any footage of that was used in
spying of other teams. But the more this scandal has
evolved and developed here on Canadian soil, the more we're
learning about it. You know, you know, did John Herdman

(48:47):
have any influence in this? Did Bev Priestman, you know,
learn some of these tactics from John Herdman. It's it's
all very murky, and it's you hope the players didn't
know much about it and it was kept within the
coaching staff, but it's it's impossible to say. And I mean, frankly,
I don't think you're going to have players come out
and admit that they were part of a cheating scandal.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So of course, no beef Priceman as a Sai Band
for a year. But this is the end of her
surely as head coach of the Canadian women's football team,
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (49:23):
I mean you have to imagine, so, I mean, a
year out of football, it's just going to be damaging
for anybody. But like I said earlier, I mean us Canadians,
we pride ourselves on being ethical, being fair in everything
we do. That includes sport, and the shames that the

(49:43):
nation is fealing right now from this drone gate scandal.

Speaker 8 (49:49):
That it's being called.

Speaker 11 (49:52):
She is I can probably say with confidence from my
opinion that she will not be returning to the Canadian
women's national team. I just can't see Canada Soccer taking
her back as a head coach coach, especially with new
leadership at the top of Canada Soccer trying to you know,
sort out what it's called as a systematic failure in

(50:17):
terms of you know, this these ethical findings. The Canada
Soccer is doing an external or having an external investigation done,
you know, following these revelations. And you know new CEO
Kevin Blue you said, you know, he used that word
systematic more than once in the most recent press conference.
So that gives you an indication that this kind of behavior,

(50:40):
these actions go back much further than just you know,
this one time use. So it's it's you know, in
my view, near impossible to say that preasonable will return
to the Canadian women's national team and.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Just back onto the grass. Dylan. As we've mentioned the
six point deduction, the three they got for the winner
of New Zealand. They are at minus three. They could
get to three points if they bate both Columbia and France,
so all is not lost. But what do you think
this will do to the to the playing group. Will
they be galvanized, will they be demoralized? What sort what

(51:18):
do you expect from the players?

Speaker 11 (51:22):
Well from let me let me say this rate from
a job, from a fans perspective, I think a lot
of fans think it's near impossible for the team to
dig itself out of this minus three points hole right now.
But as a player, I think it's going to motivate
them in the fact that they're going to go out
there and they have to prove now that you know,

(51:44):
they're not relying on drone footage, you know, spying tactics
on other teams just to be able to win they're
going to want to go out there show that they
have the skills, the fortitude, the team spirit and the
ethical play that can beat any other team in the world,
as they did the last Olympic Games. So I really

(52:05):
think it's going to motivate them to show what they
can do. And like we've said, Honey, a minus three
points total, if a team can come back from that
and qualify out of a group stage, I mean that'll
be talked about for years to come.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Dylan, great to get your insight. Thanks for joining us
across New Zealand. We'll look forward to seeing how this
plays out, certainly on the grass and off the field
as well in the time ahead. I appreciate you taking
the time for a chat today.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
All Right, cheers, Thanks Jason, No, thank you, Dylan.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
That is Dylan Dyson, Ottawa based sports reporter New Zealand Football.
As you might have heard in our sports news please
to see swift action. But they say that issues remain
given that Canada and I'll quote here likely had an
unfair sporting advantage gained by filming our key tactical sessions.

(52:59):
Now it's impossible to quantify whether that is true or not.
It is impossible to know whether Canada's went over New
Zealand had any direct or in direct connection to the
footage that was secretly filmed by these drones. You can't
say if they didn't have drones filming New Zealand's training

(53:21):
session that they wouldn't have won. It's impossible. Now Canada
Soccer are considering an appeal. They reckon the points penalty
is excessively punitive for their players, heavy handed, in other words,
who they say weren't involved in any unethical behavior. But

(53:42):
football is a team game, isn't it? All for one
and one for all, live and die collectively by individual
decisions made by team players. That's how every team at
an elite level will tell you ad nauseum that they
are all in this together. I think they should have
been kicked out. If they had been kicked out, Would

(54:03):
there have already been a big uproar?

Speaker 15 (54:05):
I doubt it.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
That's often a gauge on these things. If you say, okay,
had they done this, what would the reaction have been?
I think if Canada had been kicked out, I'm not
sure that there would have been widespread wailing and gnashing
of teeth about it. I still don't think New Zealand
should get the points. I just something in me just
says that's not right. I know when there's a default

(54:30):
in a game for whatever reason. You know, you play
an ineligible player or whatever happens, or your default. Someone
said her, stop saying soccer. It's football, mate. If you've
listened to me for any length of time, you'll know.
I know it's football. I said Canada Soccer because that's
the name of the organization, all right, They're called Canada Soccer.

(54:52):
I know it's football, mate. Anyway, I digress. I still
don't like the idea of New Zealand geting the points.
That doesn't feel right to me. They didn't earn the points, right,
They didn't go out there on the grass and nearing
the points. And you really can't tell me that Canada
had any information gleaned only from those drones, which were

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the pivotal reason they beat us. Did the players know?
This is a really interesting question for me, And even
Dylan wasn't able to unequivocally say whether they knew or
not because he doesn't know. But you try, you put

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yourself in the position of the players right now, try
to do this. Just go with me on this. You're
in the you're in the in camp, you're preparing for
a game, and you're as part of the preparation for
that game showing you know, hey, we think this is
how New Zealand are going to play. We think that
they might you know, attack down the left hand side,

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or they might you know, when they take their corners
they swing them in rather than swing them at or
something like that. This is all just hypothetical stuff. And
if you reply you did you automatically think, oh, they've
got that from a drone or would you just think that, hey,
we've got really really good technical analysts who have found
out a heck of a lot about our opposition. And

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I don't know, I don't know which it is. Did
the players know. I think it's almost impossible that at
least some of them didn't know. In other words, I
think some of them knew. I think there was probably
an inner circle of players in that team close to

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Bev Priestman, the head coach, who knew exactly what was
going on, who knew that intel on opposition teams. And
make no mistake about it, this is not just New Zealand.
They got caught doing it. Against US. There was a
group of players I'm sure in that team who were

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in some sort of inner circle that were let in
on what was going on and were I don't know
if that were they were sworn to secrecy. They were
just you know, that just made sense for a few
people to know. There might have been players who had
no idea, and in fact, I'm sure that's probably true too.
I'm sure there were some players who just you know,

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sat in a tactical season, looked at a whiteboard, took
in the information that was given to them by the
head coach and other members of the coaching staff, and
thought that's helpful. That'll be helpful when we play New
Zealand on Thursday. I think there's some players who didn't know.
I reckon there might have been some players who did.
I think they should have been kicked out. One twenty

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four News talks they'd be back after.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
This the tough questions off the turf weekends for It
with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted
home builder.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
One twenty six heap through on text text here it's soccer.
I love it. I love a good soccer V football debate.
Hello Praven, great, thank you.

Speaker 20 (58:07):
Yeah, I've got my views on this Canadian team. I
don't think the players should be penalized. I think that
enough for the coaches. You've played the fine and the
coaches are doing the time. Those guys actually work four
years really hard to actually get where they are kind
of the and I don't think that players should be
penalized for their hard work.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
I sympathize with that view, Privein, I really do. And
you know, a big part of me, when I said
before I think they should be kicked out sort of
felt a little bit icky about saying it for that
very reason that you're bringing up, because there are people here,
I'm sure who are victims within the Canadian side as well.
But it feels to me as though you can't just

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punish half of an organization, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 20 (58:54):
Yeah, but the thing is you have to be careful.
It's like in a classroom, if one could, if the
principal player plays up, we get of all the all
the kids out of the classroom. So it's it's a
catch twenty two. We got to be careful where we go.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
With the same Yeah, No, that's that's a good, good analogy.
That's a good I guess. I mean, like I said before,
proving you know, sports teams are always all about togetherness,
aren't they. You know, they went together, they lose together.
I know this is different because it's illegality, but look,
I take your point and if I was, if I
was one of those players, I'd be absolutely gutted, absolutely

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gut especially if I didn't know.

Speaker 20 (59:35):
If I didn't know, just have a look at what
the referee done to all blacks in the last World
Cup finals.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
There was a that was a swift change of subjects.

Speaker 20 (59:47):
Puffy, you think about all those you know, no one
got penalized for that. You know, we we took it
on the chin, and I think the next World Cup
will be a better team kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
Good, we played a better, better game.

Speaker 20 (01:00:03):
But the thing is, I still don't think that, you know,
taking three points of those girls, or taking six minus
six for a start, that is very harsh. I think
they should have called the game with the fairs game
of draw and give it given one points to or
even give three points to q Gills, one to the
to the Canadian and then the second round we go

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from there. Kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, yeah, I've never heard of it proven actually in
a tournament situation like this where you've got such a
limited time to game points, you know, and Dylan even said,
you know, you look at Everton and Nottingham Forest in
the latest Premier League season. They were docked points for
for breaking financial fair play rules, but they had a
thirty eight game season to make up the make up
the difference, and both of them did. But when you've

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only got three games and your minus six at the start,
the most you can get to is three again, you know,
it's some Some would say, actually, you've got off lightly
great to chatty praving, thanks for calling, and mate, oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, hello Andrew?

Speaker 21 (01:01:03):
Oh hi, Hey, if one player knew, then they should
be done the points. But my real question is why
why were they film in New Zealand and they're not
seeing how useless New Zealand women's teams are. I mean,
they're just not terrible, They're terrible, so I couldn't imagine
why they even needed to bother filming them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Andrew, what I reckon and I don't know this to
be true, but what I reckon is that they've been
doing it for every team they play.

Speaker 21 (01:01:30):
Ah, yes, okay, yeah, no, I get that now, because
they could just watch film when you seland and not
be scared at all. You know, I was surprised there
was two one to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'd be doing it for everyone, right Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:01:45):
Yeah, they're definitely, but it's so proof of that. They
wouldn't be sitting there thinking New Zealand so good and
we're so.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
Worried about them.

Speaker 21 (01:01:53):
You're right that we're going to film them.

Speaker 13 (01:01:55):
That's that's not something you do, No, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I agree. If they were going to if they looked
at their group and said, right, Columbia, France, New Zealand,
we've got one chance to spy who were going to choose,
they wouldn't choose us, right Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:02:08):
So anyway, I didn't play. I knew about it, and
that should be if it was just the coaches, but
then that would influence the coaches' direction to the players.
So yeah, they should be even if they didn't tell
the players, there should be doctor points just for stupidity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
That's right, You've been stupid here, so they stay the points.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
Nine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Sorry, I wasn't big Forastial said, A good point you make,
and I honestly do think that this isn't the one off.
I just think this is the first time they've been caught.
All the all the rhetoric I've seen in the last
little while is that they've been doing this for ages. Hello, Richard.

Speaker 14 (01:02:45):
Piney. I don't think there's any doubt they should have
been kicked out. Just to imagine, if the coach of
the Jamaican four by one RelA team had been discovered
that he'd been giving steroids to one of his runners
on the day before of the final of the four
by his relay, you reckon they get that get kept

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kicked out. Of course they would. And if you want
to know why, you go back to the greatest French
sporting team of all, the Three Musketeers, and what was
their motto?

Speaker 20 (01:03:19):
All for one and one for all.

Speaker 14 (01:03:20):
And that's what happens when you're in a team. If
somebody in the team screws up, the whole team takes
the penalty. And that's why Canada should have been booted.
And it's got nothing to do with Oh, the players
didn't know, that's irrelevant. The players got the advantage from it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
That's actually a really good analogy you use, Richard. You
know two forms of cheating, and you know in a
relay team, so the coach says to the anchor league bloke,
are you you know have some of this? The other
three don't know. They just think they makes really fast.
So yeah, the whole team should go. You're right, absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:03:58):
I don't see why it's even being debated, and I
can't believe that Canada are appealing it. They should shut up,
they need us and then get away and vow to
do better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Good point, well made, Richard, Thank you, mate. Drive safe.
I got to move because I want to I want
to preview the basketball. Quick question though, from Mark on
the drone? Mark, what's your question about the drone? Here
we're going, buddy, Well, I got two.

Speaker 18 (01:04:24):
Actually, the caller just before calling the New Zealand soccer
team useless, mate. If they were useless, they wouldn't be
at the Olympics.

Speaker 9 (01:04:31):
So maybe he wants to rethink his wording.

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
On the drone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Where did the drone come from?

Speaker 21 (01:04:38):
Did they bring it in themselves or do they buy
it in France? And if they did bring it in,
why were they allowed to?

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I know drones are used by every team for their
own sessions. Mark the All Blacks use them, The Phoenix
used them, Every professional club used as a drone. You're
just not supposed to spy on other people with it.

Speaker 18 (01:04:57):
Okay, all right, Yeah, I just wondered where it came from.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
That was all Yeah, I'm pretty sure it came in
with them, and it's allowed. In fact, the I saw
this thing actually the recruitment ad for one of the
Canadian assistant coaches, and some of the skills that you
needed one was being able to fly drone, not to
film other people, to film your own sessions. It's common,

(01:05:20):
really ready common news talks here beat twenty six to
two the Cells NBL finals this afternoon. This is the
National Basketball League Cannavary Rams Auckland to a TATA tip
off two thirty Cows Stadium, christ Church. Justin Nelson has
the call on Sky. He joins us, Now, Justin, have
we got the Sorry, I just had to put you

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on the air. Have we got the best two teams
in the final?

Speaker 17 (01:05:45):
Yeah, I definitely think we have. They finished one and two.
Of course, the Rams went on that sixteen game winning
streak through the season.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
The Tuatara had.

Speaker 17 (01:05:52):
A ten game winning streak. Definitely the best two teams
and not surprisingly given the way they've built their rosters
over the last couple of years. We have a back
to back Grand Final rematch.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Who are the favorites? Then this afternoon justin.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
Well, Rams will start favorites.

Speaker 17 (01:06:08):
I mean, they're on their home deck. They've had a
really good record at Cal's Stadium over the last couple
of years. Interestingly, though, they did lose to the tour
Atara earlier this season at Cowl Stadium. That was the
game when the Tuatara came out and put together a
forty seven point second quarter to go on and take
the win. However, the Rams on that day didn't have

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Lucky Old Brick MVP of the league this season, and
didn't have star import kJ Buff and both of those
players will be running around today.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
That's an outlier, though. Wasn't that a forty seven point quarter?

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It is.

Speaker 17 (01:06:45):
You don't often see it. I think for memory. They
hit something like nineteen of twenty one shots from the field,
and you know, Corey Webs to rob Low, Tom Danovich,
they just all fired and caught I suppose caught the
Rams off guard at that particular time, and it's one
of those quarters in basketball that you just dream of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
This season has thrown up so many different storylines and
we almost had another one when the Tananhaky Airs were
at cal Stadium a week or so ago against the
Canterbury Rams. W what do we go to? Two periods
of overtime justin.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 17 (01:07:21):
The best game I've seen since I've been in New
Zealand and speaking to people across the competition, remembering the
Sales NBL has been going for forty three years, lots
of people saying this is the best game they've ever
seen in the history of the competition, which is quite
some sort of statement. But it was an amazing game,
double overtime and it went right down to the way
a one point victory for the Rams. The other semifinal

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was a three point win.

Speaker 8 (01:07:46):
For the Tultara over the ball.

Speaker 17 (01:07:47):
So across two semi finals collectively, four points separating those
top four teams. And if we have a grand final
like that today, we'll be pretty happy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Yeah, let's hope we get something similar. Just on the
Canterbury Rams, and you mentioned that incredible unbeaten run that
they went on, or that winning run that they went on.
What were the main planks of that? Why were they
so consistent?

Speaker 17 (01:08:07):
Well, they've got this outstanding young center. This Australian out
of Adelaide plays at the Illawarra Hawks and the Aussie NBL.
Twenty years of age. He since now gone on and
won the MVP of the competition Most Outstanding Young Player
Youth Player of the Year. A lot of people are
talking about Locky Oldbrick as a future NBA player. He's
certainly got the star quality and I think we're going

(01:08:29):
to be looking back in future years and remembering the
year that Locky Oldbrick had playing here in New Zealand.
He's an absolute superstar. He is the key to the
Rams today, along with Captain Taylor Britt point guard, Most
Improved Player All Star five this year. He's had an
outstanding season. But they do have some very experienced players

(01:08:51):
that they're going up against. For the Tuatara who have
a star started starting five.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
I want to get to them in a sec. But
Col's Stadium that's where we are this afternoon. How much
of an advantage is home advantage for the Rams?

Speaker 17 (01:09:05):
Of course, the Sales has gone back to home finals
this year. First time in over a decade. It used
to all be at one location, and the fans have
certainly turned out. What we do know about cald Stadium,
it's an old stadium, it's got a lot of history,
but it's a cauldron, so it's going to.

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
Be absolutely chock. A block today.

Speaker 17 (01:09:24):
Filled with Rams fans will make a lot of noise.
And if you're looking for a six man, a six
player to get you up over the line, you certainly
wanted to be your home fans, and I think we'll
get that today.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Let's go to the Tourtata. Then you're right about their
starting five being all Star, Cam Glidden, Corey Webster, Rubin Todagi,
Rob Low, Tom Verdanovitch. I can't believe that their team
is in favorite.

Speaker 17 (01:09:46):
Yeah, well, I think they go in with high credentials obviously.
I mean this team is loaded with experience. As you said,
Corey Webster, they win today. Corey Webster is a five
time Sales NBL champion. Amazingly, his fourth title was playing
for the Rams last year against the Tuatara, so he's
got the chance to turn things around. Rob Low is

(01:10:07):
an MVP. He's a defensive Player of the Year two time.
He's a star in his own right. Cam Gliddon. Of course,
the Australian Ruben Talangy has just signed another Ossie NBL contract,
And of course you know Tom Vedanovich is just an
absolute powerhouse. He brings the muscle. If those five players
turn up today and do what they do, this team

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will go on and celebrate their first championship.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
There's so much attacking weaponry in both sides justin But
you know they often say, and it's a cliche, defense
wins championships, but what about grand finals? Does defense win
grand finals? Or are we looking Are we looking at
a at a one ten to one oh eight game
or an eighty to seventy eight game here this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (01:10:47):
Yeah, I think probably the ladder. These also are the
two best.

Speaker 17 (01:10:51):
Defensive teams in the competition, so they bring that quality
with them. I think the ladder wouldn't surprise me if
it's if it's under one hundred that gets the win
here today. You can't tell though. I mean Tuatara step
out in a forty seven point second quarter lock they
did last time they were in christ Church, all of
a sudden it blows the lid off.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
And if we zoom out from the Grand Final and
look at the Sales NBL season as a whole. How
would you rated in terms of, you know, the usual metrics,
fan engagement, exciting games, are competitive league, that sort of thing.

Speaker 17 (01:11:25):
Yeah, it keeps getting better and better, doesn't it. And
you know, you talk about the competitiveness. We've just spoken
about the semi finals and how close they were. You
think crowds. You know, the Giants sold out just about
every game, the Rams sell out just about every game,
The Saints do the same, the Twotara. You know, Auckland's
been a real struggle ground for the Sales NBL for decades.
I think they sold out seven of their ten games.

(01:11:46):
So we're seeing an increase in the fandom up and
down the country. We know the attachment or the love
affair that kids have with basketball in particular. They're coming
out in big numbers, and look, when every game is
live on TV, it certainly helps. But I think the
thing that we will look back on in twenty twenty
four as being a real catalyst for that love and

(01:12:07):
connection the community has with this game and the Celles
MBL rapidly has obviously been a massive success, and I
think that's got a big path to play going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
All right, who edges it this afternoon for you.

Speaker 17 (01:12:21):
Rand start favorites. There's absolutely no question. But if the
Tuatara lose today in the forty three year history of
the league, they will be the first ever team to
lose three consecutive grand finals. I can't see it happening.
I think the Aucklanders get up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Great to chat, Justin, have an awesome call this afternoon.

Speaker 17 (01:12:39):
Cheers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Thanks Justin Nelson there, skysport basketball commentator rams to a
tarta this afternoon. It's been pointed out to me by
a few people there's a no fly zone in France
at the moment. You can't fly in any drones. So yeah,
interesting point. I hadn't picked up on that, so yeah,
I don't know how they got it in. James mconey's
in Paris. He's with us next.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
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Speaker 7 (01:13:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Just an oh flies on in Paris, not the entire
country of France.

Speaker 14 (01:13:12):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
James mcconey's in Paris. What are you doing in Paris?

Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:13:17):
A lot of people are asking that question, Poney, what
the hell am I doing over here? I am here
covering the Olympics for the crowd Goes Wild and Sky.
So on any given day, I could be doing something
for crowd Goes Wild and then you know, might be
turn around and do a live cross for Sky and

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and interviews after at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
You know, sometimes happy ones, sometimes they'll be.

Speaker 22 (01:13:45):
There'll be tears, but you're there to capture the emotion
and then in between times just trying to actually sort
of catch a couple of sports that you wouldn't normally see.
So I'm going off the beaten track of hopefully to
see a bit of skateboarding and break dancing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Looking forward to hearing your your reports and your anelys
of that being in Paris while the Olympics are on
or have just started. What is it like there? Can
you can you give us an idea of the feel
of the city.

Speaker 22 (01:14:18):
I can I can tell Paris is let's just say
cautiously or slowly buzzing. It really came to life tonight
when you saw Antoine DuPont leading this the French sevens
team to the gold medal victory over Fiji in the final,
and I was in a restaurant where you know, they
were all the French were going completely nuts loving that moment,

(01:14:42):
and and it was it was it was really special.
I guess for DuPont because you know, he got injured,
he had to wear a mask in the Rugby World Cup,
and he's he came along to the sevens team and
you know he doesn't always start games, but I'll tell
you what, he finishes them, and he was impressive. So
I'd say the mood on on the street is pride

(01:15:05):
and and they're also buzzing about the opening ceremony.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Did you see it, Piney?

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Yes, I saw bits of it, and I was very
keen to get your thoughts because you know, I kind
of tend to look at these things through a traditional eye,
whereas you you seem to, you know, think outside the
square a little bit, look at things from a different
angle and in a different way. What did you think
of it?

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
Overall? I think it worked right.

Speaker 22 (01:15:32):
So I think you know that the opening ceremony is
about showcasing a nation and its history, and really frant
sort of nailed that, nailed the brief. You know, there
are a couple of moments that you could probably give,
you know, take or leave. And also I think I
always felt sorry for some of the dancers just going,

(01:15:53):
you know, dancing their hearts out and they get zero
point five seconds on camera and then they just have.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Some aerial shot of the river, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:16:03):
I like, I'm like, Okay, they're cut away from that
person who's really giving it. Theyre all But I thought
the start was really special. And my French friends, I
was talking to one of them, she said that her
and her partner and her boyfriend were in tears. They
were just so emotional about it because they really felt

(01:16:24):
represented France in the most positive way. And that was
I mean, I think if everyone out there hasn't seen it,
that the start was epic.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
A heavy metal band.

Speaker 22 (01:16:37):
Basically all members of the band outside of a massive palace,
out of different windows, while there's a Marie Antoinette is
carrying her own head and the head is singing, and
you just can't yet a more epic start to something
than that. So I actually thought that was great, and
I actually thought the end was great. From when they

(01:17:01):
had these acrobats playing different acrobats, I understand playing the
one character it was masked and doing flips with the
Olympic flame, and once that Olympic flame was handed to
zenodinsa down onto Rafael and dal and then the great
Olympic freech Olympic athletes and Paralympic athletes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
I thought that was really special. It having a desired effect.

Speaker 22 (01:17:25):
Which was emotion really and now they've got a pretty
cool flame with the balloon attached.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
That's right. Not every city in the world can say
that just on You mentioned the highs and the lows,
the disappointment and the delight. Our men sevens team obviously
started even before the opening ceremony, and their chances of
metal were kind of extinguished before the flame was even lit.
What about our Blackfood and sevens? Though, James should be

(01:17:54):
fairly confident they'll go back to back in the women's
seven should be pretty confident about that, wouldn't you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
Yeah, I think so. I think the blackfer and sevens
are just a really great story in camaraderie, in.

Speaker 22 (01:18:11):
You know, sisterhood, understanding each other and getting the best
out of each other and really supporting one another, and
that they're excellence. Yeah, Okay, they're amazing athletes, but I
think they're a really great template for how a modern
New Zealand team should be and that's just part of

(01:18:32):
it is driven. I think a lot of it's driven
by the players and I'm always so impressed and you
can see it on social media.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
They're very, very candid. I'm sure every.

Speaker 22 (01:18:41):
Time you've interviewed a Black fer and seven they're pretty
much the best interview in sport overall, you know, playing
for player and so I think that positivity just shines
on the field and they'll have to dig deep to
be a team like Australia if that's the final, because
they've sort of lifted their game in the past six months.

(01:19:01):
But yeah, I really do like the blackfer and seven.
Then having someone like see why I could come back
as well, like there along with you, Porscha Woodman, michaeleb
Lyde and and all the others you know, Tyler King.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yep, No, I think they've looked for me. They're they're
the ones. They're the ones. So I think we'll we'll
get us started over the next couple of days, perhaps
with the gold medal. We might even get some metal
before that. Just before you go, do you reckon? Like
if you went to the break dancing and you did
like a backspin or the worm? Will that get you
a good points? Do you think in breakdancing?

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Hope.

Speaker 22 (01:19:39):
So I'm sort of more of a pop and locker,
you know, like I sort of can get electric pulse
and seat of go through you know, my fingers. And
I mean, I don't know what they do about the
robot now? Is that considered a bit parse?

Speaker 19 (01:19:52):
But I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Speaking of robots.

Speaker 22 (01:19:57):
Though, Poney, the one thing I was, you know, the drone,
the ladist of the drone saga with the Canada has
been docked six points.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
I think it is.

Speaker 22 (01:20:07):
Ye, so they for flying two drones spying on the
football fans. But it doesn't really address and this is
what the statements come out from the end, zo see,
it doesn't address the fact that the football fans lost
that game. So it hasn't actually helped them at all
in a positive way. It's really just killed off Canada's

(01:20:30):
chances of qualifying, right, So I think that is that
that's one thing that that should have been a walkover
or that result should have been overturned in favor of
the football fans. It's it's not really the ideal punishment there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Yeah, you mean to have a zero sum solution here,
aren't you. So if somebody loses points, somebody else should
gain them. I guess what that also means though, is
that you know, if they've docked six, then somebody else
has to get three. I don't know, but yeah, I
think I tend to agree there's been no advantage gained
at all by New Zealand here. They've been the victims

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both off the field on it unfortunately. So yeah, it's
a yah. It's a story that keeps on giving. I'm
sure there's more to come on this, James. I've kept
you all wait long enough. You you go and get
some sleep in the in the Paris night. Enjoy the
weak ahead, mate. I can't wait to see what what
content you come up with, and we'll hopefully catch up
again next Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
Cheers Piney sounds good mate. I'm always available for you,
you know. And yeah, I'll get some sleep now and
bondwi from me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Bon wie. Indeed, thanks James. James Macony in Paris seven
to two News Talks.

Speaker 7 (01:21:39):
Heb when it's down to the line, you made a
call on eight Weekend Sport with Jason Payne News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Heb four to two an hour away from the announcement
of the Rugby Championship squad for the All Blacks. They're
gonna name a thirty six man squad. It was thirty
two for the England and Fiji tests. So who might
get added and who maybe might not be there? Gregor
Paul from the New Zealand Herald after two and Owen
Eastwood are key we born, UK based performance coach who

(01:22:09):
worked alongside recently departed England football coach Gareth Southgate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Or the big names, the big issues, the big controversies
and the big conversations. It's all on Weekend Sport with
Jason Vain on your home of Sport News Talk, said B.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Two seven its this is Weekend Sport. On News Talks,
he'd b I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald's through the glass.
We are with you until three and then Tim Bevera,
so I can see through another pane of glass is
ready to take you through the rest of you Sunday
with the Weekend Collective. Before we get there, I want
to get you to the UK. Gareth Southgate was England

(01:22:53):
football boss up until a couple of weeks ago. When
following the defeat in the Euro Final, he handed in
his notice resigned as England football boss after eight years
in charge. One of those who were hooked alongside and
was a key we Owen Eastwood, born here in New Zealand,
based in the UK, has worked with some really top

(01:23:14):
elite sporting teams, including England during Gareth Southgate's time in charge.
So it'll be interesting to find out from Owen Eastwood
what it's like inside a environment with Gareth Southgate at
the helm. The All Blacks are about to name their
Rugby Championship squad. It's due out in around fifty two minutes.

(01:23:35):
Thirty six in the squad They had thirty two in
the last squad, So who's going to get added in
which positions will they look to strengthen as anybody from
the thirty two not going to be in the thirty six.
Hard to see it, Gregor Paul on that shortly, and
we'll look ahead to to night's action at Paris twenty
twenty four and give you some or some things to

(01:23:56):
look out for, maybe some alarms to set, some key
events that you might want to get your ears on.
Don't forget we have through the night coverage on Gold
Sport and i Heeartradio of the Paris Olympic Games. When
our first night last night seemed to go okay, only
fifteen to go. As we always do it around about

(01:24:17):
this time, which is nine past two, it's time to
catch you up on a few things which might have
happened while you were asleep or while you were doing
other things. Andy McDonald's marathon edition today of in case
you missed it, let's starting the NRL. The Bulldogs have
dealt a hammer blow to the Broncos top eight chances,

(01:24:38):
third of the.

Speaker 23 (01:24:39):
Money it was held sixty the sheeft, the shefter shift,
Tracy himside were straight to lead at on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
The back of this performance, two maps qu a daald
forty one sixteen the Bulldogs beating the Broncos. Meantime, the
Cowboys have moved into a strong position in the eight
with a thirty twenty two win over the Sharks. Takes
it out of play.

Speaker 7 (01:25:13):
This world of ending the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Cowboys were hoping for that.

Speaker 24 (01:25:15):
They've got the job done at full time thirty points
to twenty two and the Rooster's held on in a
classic against Manly.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
It's stilling open for them. Can the manly side six again,
but it's irrelevant.

Speaker 24 (01:25:28):
It's the last play comes to lord a little probably
a little kick.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
That's besscun Colins.

Speaker 25 (01:25:33):
Holls on it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:34):
Who roast this hold on?

Speaker 26 (01:25:36):
What are the games?

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Are?

Speaker 20 (01:25:37):
The thing?

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Are the roosters with players screwed all over this Halliard Stadium?

Speaker 26 (01:25:44):
They have won?

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yeah, they've won at thirty four thirty. A late game
comeback was needed, but the mystics have made another a
n ZED Premiership Netball Final.

Speaker 21 (01:25:54):
Burg is still putting in the air for that's just
lovely movement.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
And that's the game you suspect is lock atwo.

Speaker 21 (01:26:01):
He comes flying through, but the deflection falls for the
defending champions.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
It's not gonna matter.

Speaker 8 (01:26:08):
It's because the defending champions will have.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
The charts to go back to back next week in Welbington.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Back overseas pole position in Belgium for Ferrari?

Speaker 27 (01:26:20):
What could show the clan to can he put his
Ferrari somewhere there the fronts?

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
He rows he can put his car on the front.

Speaker 27 (01:26:26):
Row currently and that could be whole position.

Speaker 24 (01:26:30):
For Charles Leclair along with the one he inherited this
time last year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
And a lot of Olympic stuff to catch you up on.
Starting with the rowing Tom McIntosh with a strong start,
and the men's single skulls.

Speaker 27 (01:26:43):
New Zealand's Thomas McIntosh in lane five. He's gonna win
it comfortably. Heading down to the finish line, now the
first three in each heat qualifying for the quarterfinals.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
There he goes, and Emma Twigg did the same thing,
just slowing down.

Speaker 10 (01:26:58):
Now she doesn't have to.

Speaker 27 (01:27:00):
Buster gut at this point, not in the heats. When
you're a good boat length and a half in front
of the second competitor who's just crossed, and that is Uzbekistan.
Emma Twig crosses in seven fifty four point ninety seven
to win her heat handsomely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Our women's double skulls had an eventful starts.

Speaker 27 (01:27:20):
New Zealand might have got their noses in front of
Great Britain. As they come down to the line, they're
about to finish and Brook Francis Lucy Spores cross in
first spot.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Boy want to come back to equestrian. Our three day
events are fourth after the first day the dressage.

Speaker 26 (01:27:40):
I believe she nods her head and acknowledges the crowd
and Price's score. His cars She's currently in fourth, so
a successful dressargefits in the thirty point eight vault points.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
It wasn't all plain sailing though, Jewles.

Speaker 26 (01:27:57):
Moving and Jules Is actually just dropped their guts on
the stand there. Unfortunately, I'm not sure you get marked
out of that anyway, how unfortunate into a canaday now
jeefers early drama at the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
And as having the trouble holding it together there. Let's
get to cycling. Kim Katzo could be our next big star.

Speaker 26 (01:28:25):
Kim Katzo coming through and through to the finishing marker,
powering home to the finish and Kim Katzer she has
hit the top of the table. Staw She's on the
top of the podium at the moment. Is Kim Katzar
the new Zealander. Kim Katza in her made Olympic Games
and outstanding effort of the time trial to come in

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seven to the huge career you useduspect ahead for the
told ride of the twenty two year old.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
With that finish means Black Sticks fell to a tough
loss to India.

Speaker 27 (01:28:55):
Is that game over?

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
It is.

Speaker 27 (01:28:57):
The umpires have called it and India triumphant over the
Black Sticks. The men Black means black sticks in game
at number one for these two teams at Paris twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Four and the United States relentless against our Ollie Whites
in the football. Here's a chance for a third for
the US. They can't get the shot away.

Speaker 24 (01:29:16):
Paulson makes it great safe and it has found its
way in for three again, Paulson saving the first effort,
but it's found its way back to gian Luca Buziol.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
This is getting very, very bad and deep for New Zealand.
They trail three nil on the half hour mark and finally,
in events not including Kiwis, the Queen of Clay had
no issues to start her tennis campaign well.

Speaker 25 (01:29:41):
A very disappointing finish to this game at double faults
from the Romanian world's number one hundred and thirty six
Arena Begu, but we all knew that the classroom Syontet
was going to shine through at some point. The Queen
of Clay shows very little sign of being dethroned in
round one at Paris twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Four, and Antoine du Pont has finally found the glory
he was looking for at Star de Front.

Speaker 10 (01:30:06):
They want another one.

Speaker 28 (01:30:07):
As time starts to take ninety Sigers at play ads
long two ponds.

Speaker 10 (01:30:13):
Who else but a man for the.

Speaker 28 (01:30:16):
Occasion may have just helped sealed a deal For a
famous moment in French sporting history, time is up an
anslong duke plum. Sometimes it's written, and it is for
this French team history made the first gold medal of

(01:30:42):
Paris twenty twenty four for the home team France Rugby
severs winners.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
The scoot from the track Field and the Court on
your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News
Talks in b.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Two fifteen, the all Black squad for the Rugby Championship
is named at three o'clock this afternoon. New Zealand Herald
Rugby writer Gregor Paul is with to discuss. Gregor, it's
a squad of thirty six. It was thirty two for
the tests against England and Fiji. Is it fair to
say that the original thirty two who were named will

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be retained if they're fit? I mean nobody has played
their way out of this team, have they?

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
Hopefully one would necessarily have played their way out. However,
that doesn't necessarily mean that all thirty two of them
will be reclaimed because there are certain individuals who had
thought were going to come back. For example, Samson, he
was originally going to be in the squad, but you know,

(01:31:45):
was injured, so he came out. They brought in Bell
was a replacements, so that might be one of the
thirty two. Will Jordan is back fit, and you know,
again he would have been in an original selection if
he'd been fit. I will have to see whether he
comes back in at the extense of an existing player

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or whether he's in adal outside back going into the mix,
And it'll already depend on you know, what kind of
balance the selectors are going to feel they need positionally
to understand if there's going to be any guys coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Well, just on the Will Jordan one, if they add him,
that's still only six outside bags, isn't it, Clark not
our Piafitta race to layer Ed Jordan. They can afford
another outside back if they're adding four players, can't they?

Speaker 8 (01:32:33):
They probably could, but they've got some, you know, injury
concerns if you're going backwards and look back to Locke.
At the moment, Scott Barrett has been revealed I've had
surgery on a finger the length of his recovery time
is unknown at the stage or we haven't been told. Certainly,
Patrick Tupelotto, you didn't go to San Diego. They were

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resting him after, you know, I had an incredible period
with his knee and back and forth and whatnot. So
they'll be a little bit careful about managing him. Still,
I would have thought with with what's happened with him,
so they might want to strengthen themselves around Lock. They
might not. They might feel comfortable operating, you know, with
the guys that they've got with just three knowing that

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I assume Barrett will come back to full fitness reasonably quickly,
so they could probably carry three Locks to through the
Argentina games and then get Barrett back. So it really
just does depend on where they feel they need strength
and dates across the thirty six players that they have.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
It feels like Sam Derry might be there though he
debut didn't he against veg Over in San Diego. If
they are even mildly concerned about Lock, that put Sam
Dry in there, wouldn't they.

Speaker 8 (01:33:47):
I think he'll certainly do the Yeah, I think that's
a given at the moment. Given where they're at, they
would want injury cover for Scott Barrett certainly, and I
think they'll probably want to carry four locks in their
thirty six man squad anyway, and Sam Barry would appear
to be the fourth guy given that he was one
we called up to take the San Diego So yeah,

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he'll he'll definitely be there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
I would have thought, what about Sam Kine lit with it.

Speaker 8 (01:34:15):
Yeah, Look, Sam's been training with the squad pretty much
throughout the whole of July. He I bumped into him
in a cafe, told me he's fully fit. He's been
training for most of the time the squad had been assembled. Look,
let's be clear, he's a world class player, and he's available,
and he's available until the end of the year. And
I know that Jason Ryan, the forwards coach, is a

(01:34:36):
huge Sam Kane fan because he understands the value of
a of a heavy tackler, which is what Sam is.
A highly experienced professional with great leadership ability, really strong
over the ball at the breakdown. He's a great carrier
of the bomb in close quarters. He's maybe not the
kind of traditional New Zealand seven. He gets dived into

(01:34:59):
the open and we you know, we see you know,
a long striding ball playing seven that he's really good
at just grinding out a couple of really difficult meters
against bigger men. One hundred percent going to be back
in to the squad, and I'd imagine if they think
he's got enough game time behind him, I think they'll
want to get him on the bench pretty quickly for

(01:35:19):
the All Blacks and then back into the starting sisting
ready in time to go to South Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Interesting, what about David Havili? Is there a room for him?
They've got four pretty good midfielders at the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
Again, it depends on where they want to part the
new The new players they did seem pretty keen on,
you know, like Razor would know David Havili pretty well.
He's a really versatile football players that plays in the midfield.
He's played at full back, he can play at number
ten if needs be. Whether he can play their international

(01:35:51):
level not quite yet. So a guy on that level
of versatility and he's got he's got a good level
of experience as well. He's played you know, twenty plus
Test matches. But he'd been a kind of guy that
they potentially for Rugby to want to carry with them.
So he's embedded with the system with the team. He's
been training with them. By the way, throughout July, there

(01:36:13):
was a whole sort of entourage of extras that were
continually with the team throughout July. He was one of them,
George Bauer being another, Sam King, Will Jordan, All these
guys have been with the team. So it's potential for
David to come in because inevitably, Piney, we know there's
going to be injury a little bit. Had a guy
training with them who they trust and is ready to

(01:36:34):
up to speed with how they want to play, what
his role is likely to be. If he's needed. It's
good to have them there rather than calling them in
calls and having to get them up to speed quickly.
So yeah, he if the balance suits them, I think
he's the sort of guy that would would cover a
lot of options for them if he comes back in
half back.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
I think we can assume can't be that cam Roy
guard still isn't really I think they were talking about
the end of year term tour rather for cam Royguards.
So let's say TJ. Pernada is fit again. What is
the picking order in New Zealand half picks Let's leave
Roy got out of it. What's the picking order of
those who are fit at the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
Well, my taking order is Quarters ratumare one, and I
would go Noah Hawsum two, TJ. Perrinara three, Finley Christich
four if it was up to me, where where would
they be sitting? I think they might have got enough
confidence in Quarters Ratama to start them, But whether they

(01:37:33):
do start them regularly, I don't know. Because they probably
like the experience of TJ. Peer and his competitiveness, his
leadership qualities. These are all valuable things. So I think
they probably still see TJ. Parri's number one because I
think he started the season is number one, and just
because he's been injured, I don't think they would as

(01:37:53):
evidence to say he's no longer the number one. But
clearly there's going to be a live situation there. Ratum
has now number two and Christy would be their number three,
and I imagine that Noah Hawsum drops out when t.
Peranara comes back in, when roygun arrives whenever that is
probably later this year. Jeepers, you know you've got what

(01:38:14):
five six guys who you know are going to be
competing for a birthday and I think that pecking order
will remain fluid.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Do you think we'll see Bowden, Barrett's staff and the
teen jersey at all in the Rugby Championship.

Speaker 8 (01:38:26):
Well, potentially that's something that may happen, you know, while
they because they're going to rest and retake mckensey at
some point. I don't think they want to do that
too much because I think you want to keep a
young number ten young in the sense that he's not
got a lot of experience. You probably want to keep
him on the field, keep learning, keep growing, because it's
about understanding your craft so broader and I suspect will

(01:38:49):
be a guy that I don't think they'll be looking
to put a competitive element into that situation at the moment.
There's no real need to do that. But if they
want to give, you know, McKinsey a week off, then
Barrett would probably be the guy that they would start
at number ten. But look, they know what they've gotten Barrett.
I don't think they need to start a live process
of putting pressure on McKenzie, you know, because he's playing

(01:39:10):
pretty well as it is. I don't think he needs
that right now external pressure. With the sense they're trying
to grow a veteran number ten alongside him. They're lucky
because Bonds is a brilliant player and if they need
a number ten that's capable of playing a test match
called off the bat, he'd be the guy that could
do it for them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
And when they come together as a thirty six with
the coaching staff, etc. Get ready for the Rugby Championship.
Given what they learned during the two England Test matches,
let's both feed you to one side in the England
Test matches. What do you think the main areas of
focus will be for Razer and his coaching staff as
he prepares this group for the Rugby Championship.

Speaker 8 (01:39:47):
I think the forwards need to be a bit more
concentrational and aggressive in traveling north to south, around around
the middle of the field, going directly through forward packs,
playing a little bit of continuity there, whether it's you know,
using quick feet, quick passing, changing the point of the attack,
but certainly putting defenses backwards, you know, through the ball

(01:40:10):
carrying and an ability of the All Black forward pack
to do that. We didn't really see a lot of
that against England. I think they need to be a
bit more clinical when they you know, when they create
half opportunities. There were quite a lot of points they
left out on the field. And I think the third
area that they weren't particularly good at is marrying an

(01:40:31):
accurate kicking game into the rest of the game plan.
They seemed to kick a little bit with you know,
no real plan around what they were trying to do.
There didn't feel like they were really spot on with
what their intentions were and what their execution was, you know,
was trying to do. And I think when you when
you end up playing teams like Argentina and South Africa
in particular, that that's a part of your game you've

(01:40:52):
got to get right. So these will be the three
three elements I think they'll want to get.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
Sharper On always enjoy you're insight, Gregor. Thanks so much
for taking the time this afternoon. My play Gregor Paul
there you read them in the Insined, the Herald, Indian,
herold Dot cut on Engine or just the paper. Three
o'clock this afternoon is when that team is named squad
of thirty six for the Rugby Championship couple of tests
against Argentina, both in New Zealand tests away two in

(01:41:18):
South Africa, then home and away against Australia. So six
Rugby Championship tests, thirty six men in that squad. You
might have caught the news yesterday Scott Barrett needed surgery
after one of the recent test matches. I think it
was the Figi Test, so he's in doubt for at
least the first Rugby Championship Test. Other than that, I
think everybody's pretty much good to go. TJ Petinalo, we

(01:41:38):
understand is going to be all right, so I presume
he'll come back in thirty six names. We'll have them
for you in our news at three two twenty six.
I want to take a break. When we come back
to the UK, we go again and to a key.
We're living over there and making a living as a
performance coach and doing it pretty well. Actually, he's worked
with a lot of elite sporting teams in the UK,

(01:42:01):
one of which was the England football team during Gareth
Southgates time in charge. His name is Owen Eastwood. He's
on the show with us right after.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
This Don't Get Caught off Side Call eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Pain and GJ. Guvnerhomes
New Zealand's most trusted home builder news.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Dogs MB coming up two thirty before we close the
show at three. I'll let you know what to look
out for and listen out for tonight. On the second
full day of competition at the Paris Olympic Games, England
men's football manager Gareth Southgate stepped down from the role
after eight years in charge following his side's loss in
the European Championship final. During his eight years, he took

(01:42:43):
the side to consecutive euro finals, as well as the
semi finals of the twenty eighteen Football World Cup and
the quarterfinals in twenty twenty two. Owen Eastwood is a
Kiwi born, UK based performance coach who's worked with some
elite sporting teams all around the world, including England during
Gareth Southgate's time in charge. Owen Eastwood is also the

(01:43:04):
author of Below the Ancient Code of Togetherness. It joins
us now, Owen, thanks for taking the time to have
a chat to us. Tell us about your time working
alongside Gareth Southgate with the England team.

Speaker 9 (01:43:18):
Kurada. Yeah, a great honor for me.

Speaker 29 (01:43:21):
I was retained by the Football Association the year before
he became the manager of the team. They were doing
a big DNA project and they were looking at all
the aspects of English football and what they found is
that they were pretty clear on what they wanted to
do from a technical point of view, but they really
weren't confident how to create teen culture. So anyway, I

(01:43:43):
was invited to participate in that, and at the time
Gareth was an under twenty one manager and I came
back with probably quite a radical report. In many ways,
I felt like they needed a complete transformation, and I
think with a lot of other managers would have been
too much for them and too different for them. But
when he was promoted to be the England men's manager,

(01:44:06):
he knew me. He agreed with the ideas and we
got to work together.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
What sort of things were you suggesting to him and
to England?

Speaker 29 (01:44:16):
When I first got appointed, I did a three month
project trying to understand the culture of English football team.

Speaker 9 (01:44:23):
Obviously, as a.

Speaker 29 (01:44:24):
KIWI, I wasn't familiar with that, and I went back
and I actually met players going back to the nineteen
fifties and I asked him what the ten culture was
like in the nineteen fifties and all the way through
and started to get a good sense of it. And
the thing that probably stood out the most was that
the Golden Generation, which was about twenty years ago of
David Beckham and Michael Owen and Frank Lampard and Stephen Gerard,

(01:44:49):
they were regarded as probably the best English generation since
nineteen sixty six when they won the World Cup, and
they underperformed pretty miserably really over a decade. And I
spoke to some of those players in the team and
the things that really stood out to me was that
a lot of the pla as we're very candid with me,
and said that they did not.

Speaker 9 (01:45:09):
Enjoy going to a Euro's or a World Cup.

Speaker 29 (01:45:12):
The amount of pressure on them was just extreme and
if you missed a penodia got sent off literally your
life could be detrimentally affected forever.

Speaker 9 (01:45:23):
And that had happened with some people.

Speaker 29 (01:45:25):
And you know, it's very actually similar to being an
all Black. This is incredible intense pressure. People get very
very emotional things don't go well. They expected not only
to win, but to win with style. And some of
the players told me that actually, you know, when they'd
been defeated in the quarter final of a World Cup,
the player said to me, if you had been on
our bus, you would have been sure we'd won it

(01:45:47):
because the players were actually so relieved to go home
and for this ordeal to have finished. It looked like
they were elated and celebrating.

Speaker 9 (01:45:57):
That's how bad it was.

Speaker 29 (01:45:58):
So that was the obvious thing for me, is that
the culture was one full of fear, full of negativity
and pessimism really and that was the thing they needed
to be addressed. And you know, Gareth had been in
that situation himself, having been a player for England, and
he completely agreed. So that's what we were able to
collaborate around. What would a more optimistic, positive, energetic culture

(01:46:21):
look like.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Did it become that?

Speaker 29 (01:46:26):
You know that I'm very proud of the fact that
it definitely did. You know, the energy of the team
fundamentally shifted, as you pointed out, after they.

Speaker 9 (01:46:35):
Won the World Cup in nineteen sixty six.

Speaker 29 (01:46:38):
They only made one semi final of a World Cup
after that nineteen ninety and they never made the finals
of the Euros and then the four tournaments that Gareth
was a manager, made two Euro's finals, made a semi
final of a World Cup and lost a quarterfinal to
the reigning champions France.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
And the other.

Speaker 29 (01:46:57):
And what people would say is the players enjoyed the
experience and they were a lot less stressed. So we
connected them with the meaning of the Three Lions and
playing for England and they loved all that. We spent
time away from training to connect them with each other,
and that really was.

Speaker 9 (01:47:14):
A powerful thing to have done. And we wanted have
fun and relaxed.

Speaker 29 (01:47:17):
We had basketball court set up in the hotels and
we just wanted them just to be young men and
enjoy themselves.

Speaker 9 (01:47:22):
And Gareth was brilliant at that.

Speaker 29 (01:47:24):
He's a really lovely, gentle person and he wasn't threatening
to them, he wasn't scary. He was always consistent the
way he turned up and the players learned to trust
him and became a father figure into many of them. So, yeah,
the energy of the team changed and that led to
a direct improvement in their performance.

Speaker 9 (01:47:43):
And they done about that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Are you able to directly correlate those two things or
did they simply just play better?

Speaker 9 (01:47:51):
You know, I've had this with other teams as well.

Speaker 29 (01:47:55):
Sometimes people watch a team on TV and they go,
you know what, they're not fit. They don't look fit,
they don't look conditioned. They looked exhausted. And actually, what
I've learned is that often it is nothing to do
with physical conditioning. The reason is is that and I
think a lot of people who are listening to this
can relate to this in their workplace probably is that
when you're in a very stressful environment where you don't

(01:48:17):
really feel psychologically safe, there's a lot of tension around you,
and you don't really trust the environment or all your leaders.
That is chronic stress, and you are absolutely naked. And
it's no different for a sports theme as it is
for any one else. And so these very simple principles,

(01:48:38):
and it's actually hormonal. Is a good way to think
about this is that we want people to be energized
by having less stress and more oxytocin, which is released
when you feel connected to people around you, and more dopamine,
which is released when you are striving towards a goal
with other people which has some meaning to you. So
these are quite simple ideas and that definitely transform the

(01:49:00):
energy of the team. The fact that Gareth is always
an optimist, he's focusing on what could go well than
what go wrong. That actually also changes the hormonal state
of people. When you are surrounded by optimistic people, you
are less stressed.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
We think the All Blacks coaches are the pressure. How
much is that pressure multiplied as England means football boss.

Speaker 9 (01:49:24):
I don't think it's multiplied, but I think it's very
very similar.

Speaker 29 (01:49:27):
And you know, I mean Gareth has been under incredible
pressure in his last tournament to win it, you know,
which if you think about, is quite mad because before
his time the team which is completely uncompetitive for fifty years.
So but people like the exell in public, they want

(01:49:49):
to win and they want to win in style. And
Gareth was criticized for his tactics being a bit too cautious.
I'm not a football expert, so I wouldn't comment on that,
but there was a desire to move on from him,
notwithstanding the relative success that he had.

Speaker 9 (01:50:04):
So you know, that's the reality we know about. That
is key Weason. But you know, having said that, I
encourage everybody to get right in behind raise her because
it's not easy what he's doing.

Speaker 29 (01:50:16):
And you know, we need to have some patients with
him and allow all of this to play out in
the way that he's envisioned.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
As you've outlined. Oh and Gala Southgate came under immense
heat during the Euros, despite the fact that he guided
the team all the way to the final. What I mean,
how did you feel watching him? You know, cop it
not just you know from the media fans on social media,
but also having placed a cups thrown at him at
one point.

Speaker 29 (01:50:45):
It was very tough because you know, he's my friend
as well as my colleague, and I didn't like to
see him suffer. And he's got a beautiful family and
they suffer as well, so I.

Speaker 8 (01:50:54):
Didn't like that.

Speaker 29 (01:50:55):
And to be perfectly honest, I'm sort of relieved in
many ways that he's resigned and we'll move into.

Speaker 9 (01:51:00):
Club football management now.

Speaker 29 (01:51:02):
One of the things we did with the team, and
I learned this when I did my research before I
started with helping them, was that they didn't really talk
about what they were trying to eve. They didn't really
talk too much about the purpose of playing for England
and what it was to be English. Didn't talk about
those things. I think the All Blacks are much more
sophisticated in how they think about what the shirt represents.

(01:51:25):
With England, you were expected to get it and put
it on and play well. And one of the things
that we learned was that some of the players, and
I remember Michael Wowen told me this, is that some
of the players really believe what the media was saying,
and the media was saying in the Golden Generation years
that you guys don't really care, that you're selfish, that

(01:51:46):
you're technically not that great, that you're mentally weak, you
can't take penalties. And one of the things Gareth did
successfully is create a complete bubble around that external noise
and just change the narrative to an internal, optimistic view
of who we were and what we could become.

Speaker 9 (01:52:06):
Did an amazing job of that.

Speaker 29 (01:52:07):
And the players really did churn out from the external
voices and focused on this much more positive story about
how they could become. But to be honest, I could
see it over the last few weeks it was still
even getting through to him, the criticism and the negativity.
And he's an honorable man and you know, if the
fans wanted to change, then he would accept that, and

(01:52:31):
that was part of his reasoning.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
When it comes to England overcoming that final obstacle and
winning major trophies. I mean, as we've outlined under Gareth,
you know, they've reached a couple of Euro finals, a
semi final and a quarter final of a FIFA World Cup.
When it comes to winning one of these, is it
a mindset thing, or is it, as I said before,
playing better football that's more important or other two inextricably linked.

Speaker 9 (01:52:58):
You know, it's football in particular, is such small margins? Really?

Speaker 12 (01:53:02):
Really?

Speaker 29 (01:53:03):
Is talking about interests decide massive games? The team is
not far off, that's pretty obvious if you make two
finals of the Euros. The first one they made went
all the way through extra time and then to a
penalty shootout, and then the second one was one all
up to the eighty fifth minute, So they're not far away.

Speaker 8 (01:53:21):
You know.

Speaker 29 (01:53:21):
Again, there'll be football experts out there who will be
able to point to some areas of detail that could
be improved upon, no doubt, and some tactical ideas that
probably will take the team to another level.

Speaker 9 (01:53:35):
I'm comfortable in saying that. But one thing that I
have a slight fear of is that.

Speaker 29 (01:53:42):
Football in particular, there's this cult of personality around a coach,
and well, what that sort of means is you put
a coach in you don't necessarily really understand all their
principles of play and how they approach things, their cultural blueprint.

Speaker 9 (01:53:58):
So when they leave, you ask.

Speaker 29 (01:54:00):
Someone else to take the job, and all those incredible
learnings and the things that worked really well under the
previous manager is sort of all thrown up in the
year and the new manager has given complete discretion as
to how they want to do these things. And you know,
I don't that worries me because it's not about Garatuthgate
and his personality and his coaching style. There were certain

(01:54:22):
things that he discovered as manager, in particular what was
the optimal environment.

Speaker 9 (01:54:27):
For English players, what they really enjoyed and thrived in.

Speaker 29 (01:54:31):
And I do fear that a new coach will come
in not part of any of that experience and will
just bring in their own ideas from a completely different context.
I think the All Blacks are pretty good at protecting
themselves about that. I think they know some of those
things that work really well, and they want continuity. I
think if a new coach wanted to be the All
Blacks coach and said I don't really believe in play

(01:54:51):
a leadership group something, I'm going to blow that up,
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get through the interview process.
But in the Football Association England. You know, although they
have engaged me for quite a long time, I'm slightly
nervous they don't quite understand the reality of how he
did get such consistently good performances out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Wait yeah, well wait and see just to finish in
the fullness of time, and you know, with I guess
a few years reflection back on on what Gareth Southgate
achieved as England manager, what do you think is overriding
legacy will be.

Speaker 9 (01:55:28):
Well, I think his overwriting legacy and it is one
that I will always have a lot of.

Speaker 29 (01:55:36):
You know, pride in is that he took a team
which were very uncompetitive. The last competition they played before
he was a manager, they lost to Iceland in the
round of sixteen, okay, and he took that team and
made them extremely competitive and what walking you want from
a coach. And yes, they still to win a trophy,

(01:55:58):
So hopefully the next person can do that. But you know,
I talk about the idea of fucker Barber and the
idea of the sun moving down a line of people,
and while the sun shine on him, he took a
very uncompetitive team with I would say quite a dysfunctional
culture and made them one of the best teams in
the world. And now he's passed that on to someone
who will come in next and that's a huge.

Speaker 9 (01:56:19):
Thing for him.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Do you're proud of fascinating insight? Owen, thanks so much
for joining us across New Zealand. It's been terrifically interesting
listening to your chat. Thank you great to chat, Jason.
Thanks Ellen Owen Eastward there performance coach based in the UK.
Some interesting insights there into working with the England football
team and in particular with Gareth Southgate. Sixteen to three.

(01:56:42):
When we come back, I'll give you your your timetable
for listening to or watching the Olympic Games tonight on
day two or full competition in Paris.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend
Sport with Jason V and GJ. Gunn homes New Zealand's
most trusted Owen Builder News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
It'd be all right two forty seven, Gay, the Olympic
Games are the full day two or the What am
I trying to say here? Andrew? The second day of
full competition at the Paris Olympic Games? Did I get
those words?

Speaker 8 (01:57:17):
Out.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
I think did you throw that one in there? Schedule timetable, itinerary, itinerary.
That's a very good one.

Speaker 8 (01:57:23):
Actu.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
I didn't even think of that one. Yeah, yeah, you
got to write the lineup.

Speaker 17 (01:57:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
You can listen right through the night on gold Sport
and iHeartRadio, either via traditional means, your transistor radio or
via your device. Just download the iHeartRadio app and then
search for gold Sport and you can get through the
night commentary of all of this stuff. We're on the
air from seven o'clock and right through until the last

(01:57:47):
kiwis are in action Tomorrow. Equestrian Tonight of Venting Team
Day two. It's the cross country for Janelle Price, Tim
Price and Clark Johnston starting around eight thirty. We've got
Georgia Rose Brown and the gymnastics Artistic individual all round
that starts around seven thirty. Quite a bit of rowing tonight.
The women's pair heats. Kate Haynes and Alana Sherman are

(01:58:11):
our representatives. In the men's pair, Dan Williamson and Philip Wilson,
that's around nine o'clock for both of those, sorry, eight
to thirty for the women's pair. Nine for the men
are nine point thirty the lightweight double skull women's heats
Jackie Kiddle and Shannon Cox are our representatives, ten thirty
the women's four Jackie Gwala, Divina Waddie, Phoebe Spores and

(01:58:34):
Kerry Williams. And at ten fifty the men's four heats
Logan Ulrich, Matt McDonald, Tom Murray and Oliver McLane. So
quite a bit of rowing at the swimming pool. Lewis
Clairburton the heats of the men's four hundred individual medley,
Eric of fair Weather in the heats of the women's
two hundred freestyle, and Cain follows in the heats of

(01:58:54):
the men's one hundred meter backstroke. We've also got sailing
underway in the forty nineer Isaac McCarty and William McKenzie,
the forty nine er FX, Joe La and Molly Meach,
the winds Surfing Josh Armit and the men's andvela ten
half in the women's. Then we get over to Monday,
just after midnight the mountain bike cross country Sammy Maxwell

(01:59:18):
and the women's race canoe slalom. Luca Jones back in
action in the women's K one Semis and hopefully the
final bit later on the football Ferns play Columbia No Drones,
the Black Sticks play Belgium. Rugby sevens is underway for
the women. Our Black Fern sevens play China at around

(01:59:38):
four o'clock and then a bit later on Canada around
seven thirty. Our surfers Safy Vetta and Billy Stammand are
in action. And then there are swimming finals tomorrow morning.
If Lewis Clairbert makes the men's four hundred am medley final,
which he should, that's at six thirty, and then Erica

(02:00:00):
Fairweather's women's two hundred freestyle final eight o'clock if she
makes that, and semi finals for Caine follows it. He
makes the men's one under minute backstroke semi finals. So
there are some of the highlights that you might want
to listen in for, set an alarm clock for, or
just stay up for. Really heaps of it across the night,
Lots to look forward to, and yeah, looking forward to

(02:00:22):
seeing our Black Fern and sevens get out there and look,
they could well be our first medal. However, having said that,
I quite like the chances of Lewis Clarebert and the
four hundred individual medley tomorrow morning. Heaps tonight final at
six thirty tomorrow morning. That might be worth just a
little listen night away from three news Talk said.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Bright breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails.

Speaker 7 (02:00:46):
Weekends for it with Jason Pine News Talk.

Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
ZB two fifty four. Just another note, nine forty tonight.
Simone Biles, perhaps one of the most famous sports people
on the planets, is underway in the women's gymnastics nine
forty tonight for Simone Biles. Thanks for our pointing that out, Andy,
and thanks for the last three hours. I think we
got through okay. Thanks for joining us on weekend Sport.
We're back on sports Talk tomorrow night between seven and eight.

(02:01:14):
You can catch Andy and I as part of the
Gold Sport commentary of the Paris Olympic Games. Our coverage
starts on gold Sport at around seven o'clock tonight. Well
hopefully mostly just you, not me or else. Something really
wrong has happened, hasn't it. Well, I'm gonna go and
get my head down for a couple of hours. If
I don't surface by the time the swimming programs underway tonight,

(02:01:36):
maybe you could take the mic.

Speaker 29 (02:01:38):
I'll do my best, but again I don't think I
could match some of your excellent expertise commentaries or which
I've heard in the past and is very very good.

Speaker 8 (02:01:46):
Piney.

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
If you don't mind me saying so, I don't like
it all. I don't mind one little bit. Thanks for
producing the show as always, Mate. I have a RESTful afternoon.
Thank you for listening. And Tim Beverage after three song
to take us out today. It's all about looking at
things you shouldn't be spying on people haul and O
some private eyes tacking us out today.

Speaker 19 (02:02:27):
Fine, standing the style, stand.

Speaker 10 (02:02:41):
Watching, Let's see you read?

Speaker 6 (02:02:46):
What game my.

Speaker 19 (02:02:49):
Watch? Watching you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
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Speaker 10 (02:02:59):
Listen, let's say.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
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