Full Show Podcast: 11 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
O Kayota. Good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday edition
of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. August eleven. I'm
Jason Pine Show producer Annie McDonald. We're here till three
talking sport and talking gold medals. Carrington Carrington I said she's.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Got the race face on the Red Sunnies. It's Carrington
Carrington coming.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Down to the line.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
It is gonna be gold for New Zealand's Lisa Carrington.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Co cohuts through and it's down. I'm golden for Lydia
com and.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Kerr, Hamu's Kerr for the gold middle Kiwi's can fly.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
And Hamus Kerr scales his everest.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
And his high jump Olympic champion Hamish kursed anybody to
chat to us. Lydia Coe with us this hour as well.
We'll hear from Dame Lisa Carrington a bit later on too,
as we celebrate one of the greatest days in our
Olympic history. I would love to hear about your pride
in watching three magnificent moments in our sporting history in

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the last twelve to fourteen hours. Lines open immediately on
that other metters around today. Well, there's this text and.

Speaker 7 (01:50):
The touts and the capitol Kurt continues. The old Lacks
lose again in Wellington just thirty eight thirty if thoud
even defeat to Argentina and lost. Pomus celebrates again the
Lord the Black Scott Robinson's Movester peters All.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Black Head coach, Assistant coach Jason Holland along with us
after one o'clock. Your thoughts are welcome. Two on what
you saw last night in Wellington and where was everybody?
New Zealand's number one darts player Hope by Pooha is
with us ahead of the Hamilton Darts Masters next weekend,
and we've got another double pass to give away for
the action at Globbox Arena and Hamilton. James mcconey out

(02:31):
of Paris as well. That guy has been doing magnificent
work over there in Paris. Live Sport this afternoon Parah
Palmer Cup, North Harbor and Otago underway at Albany, Manowitu
and Tonanlacky get underway at five past two. Bunnings MPC,
North Harbor Hawks Bay also at five past two. We'll
keep our eyes on those games for you, but please

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join the show whenever you're like, oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty allows you to do that on the phone
nine two ninety two on text emails into Jason at
Newstalk SEDB dot co dot nzeid coming up ten past twelve.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Freaking down the Mary's and the Epic Fails weekends for
it with Jason Pine, News Talk.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Zenb So the Sporting We witnessed the most dramatic of
men's high jump finals, Hamish Kurr and American Shelby McEwan
with a last two left with two meters thirty eight
on the bar. Now both missed all three times at
two thirty eight, and having both had two previous misses,

(03:33):
they went into a jump off for gold. Now they
kept it at two thirty eight. They have one jump
they both missed. They bring it down to two thirty six.
They each had one jump they both missed. They brought
it down to two thirty four. And shall be missed
at two thirty four, which left Hamish Kurr needing to

(03:53):
clear two thirty four to claim gold.

Speaker 8 (03:57):
Weeks and years of training, Hamus Kerr for the.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
Gold medal, Kiwi's can fly and Hamous Kurr jails his
everest and his high jump Olympic champion and he is
away Homoss cur sprinting around this arena arms wide.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
He is an Olympic champion.

Speaker 9 (04:23):
In the most.

Speaker 10 (04:24):
Dramatic of high jump finals, Hamous Kerr brings it home
for New Zealand's what a moment and it couldn't happen
to a better bloke.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And that bloke Hamish Kurr joins US now out of Paris,
Hamish Olympic high jump champion, with a few hours to reflect.
Have you been able to process what you've done gold
medal mate?

Speaker 11 (04:50):
No, No, I haven't. It's been pretty pretty crazy since then.
I've sort of been pushed and shoved in various directions,
but it's.

Speaker 12 (04:57):
You know, it's just such an amazing, amazing night.

Speaker 11 (05:01):
And to be able to share it with with not
only my coach and the rest of my team and
my friends and family, it's just yeah, it's a dream come.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
True two thirty four on the bar a height you
know you're capable of a clearance needed to win. How
are you feeling at the top of that run and
take us through that jump?

Speaker 11 (05:17):
Oh, I'm stoked day, Like That's that's the kind of
That's that's what dreams are made of, right there.

Speaker 12 (05:22):
Like, I mean, you know, as.

Speaker 11 (05:24):
A as a jumper, you you dream of those moments
where you can have one jump to make all the difference.

Speaker 12 (05:30):
And that's what was going through my head.

Speaker 11 (05:32):
You know, I I wasn't afraid of failing.

Speaker 12 (05:35):
I wasn't afraid of the water ifs.

Speaker 11 (05:37):
I was just accepting the fact that, you know, I
could land on that mat in the bar, could still
be up and the rest of the history.

Speaker 12 (05:44):
And that's that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
How much of you thought back to your third leap
at two twenty and qualifying without Without that, you're not
even here, right, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (05:53):
Look, that was the hardest jump of that this whole
this whole competition, that's for sure. And probably not only
knowingly that, but it's probably one of the hardest moments
of my life, you know.

Speaker 12 (06:04):
To face what could have been disaster looked.

Speaker 11 (06:10):
At in the eyes and just to accept the fact
that that's not that's not what's going to define me.

Speaker 12 (06:16):
Was was a pretty scary moment.

Speaker 11 (06:17):
It was pretty raw, and I was pretty emotional afterwards,
you know, even through the twenty five and the twenty
seven and qualifying, I was I was pretty much holding
back tears.

Speaker 12 (06:26):
But at the same time, like.

Speaker 11 (06:27):
I think that that's what I knew I had in
my bag coming into this final. You know, I was
battle hardened. I I'd earned the right to be there,
and I'd really fought and that was that was the
thing that got me over that that final jump in
that and that jump off.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
You needed three attempts at two thirty one in the
final as well. Was it a similar feeling, Nah, that.

Speaker 12 (06:50):
Was so much less stressful.

Speaker 11 (06:54):
Yeah, which seems weird, but I think at the same time, like,
you know, I knew I was in good shape today
and and I knew that it wasn't a matter of if,
it was a matter of when, And you know, to
have three three well know, two decent cracks and then
and then one one clearance at thirty one, that was Yeah,
that was completely on the Bingo card.

Speaker 12 (07:12):
Having a having a face.

Speaker 11 (07:15):
And qualifying was not quite on the Bingo card hints
it was a little bit tougher.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Amazing and we've got a proud history of middle distance
running and then shot put, but young Kiwis haven't really
had a high jumper to look up to. How proud
are you that they now do?

Speaker 13 (07:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (07:31):
Look, I mean that's that's the amazing thing with sport
at the moment. You know, I'm obviously re running history
in high jump, but not only that. We we have
such an amazing team of people throughout all events now,
and you know, with with sprints and chants and polevolt
and throws, it's it's great that Kiwi kids can can
look up and see idols and almost all of those

(07:52):
event groups. So yeah, I think that's the great legacy
that we we're leaving mid and hopefully we're going to
have heaps of track and field medals in the next
few years.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It provided us with goosebumps of breakfast time back here Homis.
Congratulations mate, absolutely amazing. Thank you for joining us, mate,
and enjoy the rest of your evening.

Speaker 12 (08:09):
Awesome thanks hates mate.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, thank you, Hamish Hamish Kerr. Now this tells you
all you need to know. It's currently quarter past two
in the morning in Paris, and there's Hamish Kurr taking
our call to have a chat to us. And I
can tell you we are not the first and probably
won't be the last media interview he does. But I
guess that's what you get when you're an Olympic champion.
Great to get the chance to chat with Hamish Kerr

(08:31):
after a remarkable, remarkable high jump competition this morning. Let's
celebrate this super Sunday, shall we, or super Saturday as
it was over in Paris, Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Tell us what you watched in the last
fourteen hours or so. Tell us the emotions that you
went through.

Speaker 13 (08:49):
Tell us what.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Stands out the most. Three very different gold medals, but
three equally compelling sporting moments. I mean, he's Dame Lisa Carrington,
a scarcely believable eighth Olympic gold medal. It leaves us
all hunting for new superlatives, doesn't it. How do we

(09:10):
even find the words now to describe her achievements as
an Olympian? Lydia Coe completing the set she got silver
and Rio bronze and Tokyo gold. Here and Hamish Kerr
just the third Kiwi to win an Olympic track medal,

(09:31):
after long jumper Dame Evette Williams and Helsinki nineteen fifty
two and shot put a Dame Valerie Adams twice two
thousand and eight and twenty twelve. Carrington, co and Kerr
providing moments that will go down in our sporting history,
moments will never forget. Join the conversation, even if it's
just to say, you little beauty or your little beauties. Oh,

(09:54):
eight hundred and eighty teen eighty and nine gold medals
now more than any other Olympic Games. Do you remember
when we had no medals? Do you remember at the
start when we were wondering where they might come from?
Two three days in and a bear cupboard, we sort
of wondered whether that'd come at all. I think we
knew they would. I think we knew that they would arrive,

(10:14):
but we were a bit worried to start with, weren't we.
But they have first slowly, and then as we entered
the second week steadily, and now as we reached the
conclusion of these games, they're coming in a bit of
a rush, which is great and of our eighteen medals.
We mentioned this yesterday. Five and a half can be
put down to the men and twelve and a half

(10:37):
to the women. The half, of course, is the mixed
multi hull bronze. Michael Wilkinson, Erica Dawson. Seven of our
nine golds have come courtesy of our female athletes, and
the medals have come across nine different sports, and there's
a chance for a couple more at the Vlodrome tonight.
So who knows the twenty from Tokyo may be under threat.

(10:57):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, let's talk our
success at these Olympic Games. Enjoy a bit of a
Sunday conversation with a bit of a golden glow together
eighteen minutes past mid day. Back with your calls after this.

Speaker 9 (11:09):
It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason
Vain and GJ.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Dogs Then b.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Twelve twenty one. When I talked about the track medals,
I said track gold medals. I think I did. If
I didn't, I meant to talking about track gold medals
at the Olympics. Of it William's Dame Valerie Adams twice
and Hamish Kerr just the three who have achieved the
top step of the podium at an Olympic Games. Cad I, Jeff, yeah.

Speaker 14 (11:40):
Get I just thought i'd let you know how I
flepped watching Hamish Kerr this morning. I actually went. I
watched Lidia till about one thirty after the All Blacks
and a few drinks and fell asleep on the couch.
So I hit record and went to bed, thinking I
might just have a bit of a sleep and then

(12:01):
have a bit of a late lazy breakfast and watch
the rest of the last nine holes of Lidia, hopefully
get in gold. And when I looked up at six
and just couldn't get back to sleep, I just thought, well,
I'll go and watch it now. Turn on the TV
and there's Hamous curR halfway through, and I be honest,
I won't even remember that he was dumping this morning.

(12:24):
So I clepped it completely and it was the most
amazing bit of theater I've seen at the Olympics. Just
I'm so glad I woke up early on.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Jeff, must have been faked something, something in your deep
in your subconscious must have been sort of you know,
niggling away to make sure you're up, because you're right.
The theater of it was incredible.

Speaker 14 (12:46):
And to watch a humble he looked a little bit
like a young ed Hillary.

Speaker 15 (12:52):
I'm looking at.

Speaker 14 (12:52):
Him thinking, this guy is just so just a nice,
humble key we beating a strating American was just fantastic,
just a little old New Zealand again, just just on
the world stage, just out there. You know, it was
just amazing stuff. I'll never ever forget it.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Did you get the chance to watch the back nine
of Lydia's round then, once you excitement of the high
town had worn off.

Speaker 14 (13:18):
I did, and I just said idea or not? And
that when she stuck it in the water and dropped too,
and then the German and another girl hit one or
two birdies and clothes within one from about a lead
of four or five, I thought, oh, no, here we go.

(13:40):
She may not even meddle, she may even finish outside
the medals. And that was theater as well, and she
was just and again so humble, just so nice. I
think it was just the nicest morning nation, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, you're you're so right, You're so right,
jee And and I think that's been the theme, hasn't it. Yes,
there are all different kinds of people, and often to
reach the top of your sport you do have to
beat your chest a little bit and maybe, you know,
display a little bit of a swagger. But but to
a person, I think the Kiwis who have who I've
seen interviewed, those who have won and those who haven't

(14:17):
have all been exactly what you've described. They have just
been terrific. You know, really is so humble.

Speaker 14 (14:23):
Yeah, I mean you go right back to the guy
wild in his race and and and losing even so
humble and and uh yeah, I was really proud, really
proud of the the way they've won their medals. You know,
they haven't they haven't beaten their chest, so just just

(14:46):
taken it as they should. So I think we should
be really proud of all these medal winners and and
everyone else has had a just competed under the Kiwi
turned So yeah, very very.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Proud, good man, Jeff. I'm glad it all worked out
for you, mate, because they could easily have been something else.
Good on your mate. Hope you get a bit more
Hope you get a bit more sleep tonight, my friend.

Speaker 14 (15:10):
Yeah, looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Good on Jeff oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Okay,
I need to explain this again. I'm talking about field
events at the Olympics. Okay. I know we've won a
lot of track events field events. Just the three athletes
have won gold in a field event at an Olympic Game.
So that is no way denigrating the amazing record we

(15:33):
have on the track, Absolutely not, and the likes of
Walker and Snell and Hellberg and Lovelocke. Of course I'm
not in any way playing down there achievements. But in
field events, the throws and the jumps, just the three
Evette Williams long jump, hell Sinking nineteen fifty two, Dame

(15:55):
Veto sorry, Dame Ofvett Williams, Dame Valerie Adams shot put
two thousand and eight and twenty twelve, and now Hamish
Kerr high jump Powis twenty twenty four. Just the three
Olympic gold medals in field events. Thank you for all
your for all your texts. Though, it's good to know

(16:17):
that people are listening out, maybe trying to trying to
catch me out. Piney says, Steve, doesn't Hamish get a
cash bonus for a track and field gold Steve, he
does fifty dollars just for winning it. That's not bad.
That's a nice little bonus. I know that's not the
reason he does it, but yeah, terrific from a financial

(16:42):
point of view. Yeah. World Athletics came out, didn't they
and said, look, everyone who wins an Olympic gold medal
in track or field, track or field, this time we'll
give you fifty grand Hamish Kerr bank balance is about
to increase, must says Piney A challenge someone to grab
a tape measure and mark out how high on the

(17:04):
wall Kerr actually jumped. It'll blow your mind. And while
you're at at mark out nineteen meters and see if
you can throw a lumper lead that far. These athletes
are freaks. Mars, you're right. I remember being at a
a charity like a charity lunch with Dame Valerie Adams
once and somebody did exactly that. They got a tape
measure out and measured and gave us a physical demonstration

(17:29):
of just how far nineteen or twenty meters is. And yeah,
it doesn't look as far on TV because they're all
kind of chucking it out there, But when you actually
work out how far nineteen meters is, it's a very
very very long way. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten,
nineteen ninety two. For your text, lot's coming through on text.
But let's get back to the phones. Hello, Phil, What
did you enjoy the most?

Speaker 16 (17:50):
Oh, that's a very good question. Probably probably Lisa Carrington's
gold medal, because I've actually seen that one. I was
unlike the last call, it went the other way for me.
I watched the foot, then flipped over to see Lisa

(18:10):
and Amy Fisher doing their thing, and then see Lisa
when a gold and I intended to watch the I
think I've seen a couple of shots of Lydia her
tea and off, and had too many drinks, fell asleep
on the couch with the fire gun, wake up at
four o'clock in the morning, and went to bed. So

(18:33):
I didn't get up to watch the high jubb breather,
which I was going to do. But at least I've
seen Lisa. Yeah, and I was going to start off
with you little.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Beauty, and it was terrific what she did. And look,
like I said at the top, felt it's hard to
come up with any more. Superlatives for her, because what
eight gold medals, that's the same as that's you same
bolt numbers. That's what we're talking about here more than
Simone Biles, the American gymnast. We're in rarefied air with

(19:02):
you know, with her metal hall Incredible.

Speaker 16 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's just incredible, like you say, when you
really start to think about it.

Speaker 17 (19:11):
And and.

Speaker 16 (19:13):
She blitzed too, you know when she won that gold,
she just went out of the box and just blitzed them.
Like I was thinking this could be close with Amy
Fisher as having beaten her once or twice throughout through
the year, but she just stepped it up. She just
stepped it up, agear and just and just blew them away,

(19:34):
you know, So that that was another amazing thing about it.

Speaker 15 (19:38):
Also, what I've loved.

Speaker 16 (19:39):
About this Olympics is the emotion, the raw genuine emotion
from the athletes too that haven't done succeeded and what
they wanted to do. Like a lady who was crying
because and she said she had been through helen back
and been through the fire just to make the Olympics.

(20:00):
And that got to me too, and I wanted to
give her a big hug and say, don't cry, you
donet best, and you've made it to somewhere where you
know a lot of people will never get to. But
so I've enjoyed that. I don't know what would be
the way to say it. I don't enjoy seeing people fail,
but I've just enjoyed the humility and the emotion and

(20:21):
the pride of our athletes and that, you know, and
how they want to do it for not only themselves
but the country as well. And it makes you very proud,
very proud to be part of a country like that,
and we are punching above your weight country like New Zealand,
and a.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
KIW good on your felt very well, said mate. Yeah,
And that was pretty visceral, wasn't it. Watching Amy Fisher,
she was clearly utterly distraught and she was apologizing, and
I felt like saying to her, there's no not that
I could, But I felt like saying, there's no apology
required here. You've gone out there, you've done your best.
You've you know, just because you haven't meddled, just because

(20:59):
you haven't won, doesn't take away from all the hours
and hours and hours of training that you've done to
to get to where you got and yes, of course
she's naturally disappointed, and that came out and as I say,
pretty visceral fashion in Amy Fisher's post race interview last night.
But yeah, I don't think and hopefully when the sun

(21:22):
comes up in Powis tomorrow morning, she'll realize that just
because there's no metal around her neck doesn't mean that
she hasn't achieved something very very special. Hello, Neville, Hi, I.

Speaker 18 (21:35):
Just want to congratulate all the women doing so well
on gold medal lords.

Speaker 13 (21:40):
It's a few.

Speaker 18 (21:41):
Seven of them. They've got the seven of the nine
nine as Amanda failing a lot here, what we're gonna
have to do?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I actually heard an interesting I heard an interesting thing yesterday, Neville,
and it was that we've had, you know, obviously here
in New Zealand, we are very well. There's a lot
of equality around the resourcing of male and female sport,
and that doesn't happen in other countries, and that and
that the males often get you know, a lot more
invest Whether that actually translates to our women being better

(22:10):
than a lot of women from other countries or our
men being worse than men from other countries, I don't know.
But there's certainly been a lot of resource poured into
both genders. And you have to say, you look at
you look at it, look at a Hamish curb, a
Hayden Wilder, Finn Butcher, and yeah, the boys are there too,
but now the women are women are punching above well,
i'd say punching above their weight. I think they're just
doing us proud.

Speaker 19 (22:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (22:32):
And I just had a look at what Canada have done.
They've got about the same goals as us, and they're
a population of about sixty five million people. And I
think we're there's just so awesome that we're doing so great.

Speaker 13 (22:46):
Yep.

Speaker 18 (22:47):
Yeah, I just think we're extremely good at what we do.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I agree, Leville. And yeah. And the good thing as well,
made is that thanks for your call A good thing
as well as that were there's sports that we that
we typically do well in rowing, we've always been good
at rowing. Kayaking, We've always been good at that, going
back to the days of Ferguson A McDonald and three
the Dame Lusa Carrington area era. We've always been good
at that. Even track and field, you know, we've always

(23:12):
sort of been there or thereabouts on the on the
track if not necessarily in the field events, but here
we are winning medals an i jump, in canoe slalom,
you know, Finn Butcher triathlon. Yes, we've had a we've
had a bit of history in that and the cyclists
as well. But yeah, just great to see the medals
spread across nine different sports. You're missing a bit of sleep, Dallas, are.

Speaker 18 (23:36):
You, Yeah, but not as much as you and I.

Speaker 20 (23:41):
Just want to thank you Piney. You deserve a gold
medal for your commentary.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's very kind. It's part of a team effort. There's
there's six of us here working through and I think
we've all I think we've all had the chance. We've
all had the chance to call medals. I think most
of us have had the chance to call golds, which
has been a very nice, very nice thing to be
a part of. Dallas.

Speaker 20 (23:59):
No, I don't I rely on radio. I don't have
a TV as such, so I've been listening to everything
on radio. So just thank you for.

Speaker 21 (24:08):
All the drama.

Speaker 20 (24:09):
And last night I just actually I couldn't bear to
listen to Lydia when she put the ball in the water.
You know, you can just tear the groan across the country.
Oh no, it's slipping.

Speaker 13 (24:23):
Away, you know.

Speaker 14 (24:23):
And but she pulled it back and oh, she's just.

Speaker 20 (24:28):
Fantastic Lydia and they all are. And and this is
a very good point about when does confidence become arrogance
and that that would be a good question for a
sports psychists next time you have them on, you know,
you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Tell us, yeah, because I think we probably all agree
that that you have to be confident, right. I think
to reach the top of a sporting field, you have
to have a degree of self confidence.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
And whether that outwardly then crosses that line into what
we perceive as arrogance or brashness or the I guess
the overplaying of the strength can sometimes be the weakness,
if you know what I mean. Yeah, a lot of
our athletes seem to be able to get up to
the line, have the self confidence, a little bit of swagger,
and certainly internal confidence without coming across as being a

(25:15):
bit of a dickhead.

Speaker 20 (25:17):
I'm so impressed with our athletes. They're so grounded, they're
so grounded, they know what they can do, what they
can't do, and they're just so humble. But at the
same time, the positive you know, it's just fantastic whos
and the coaches, I guess deserve a lot of credit
for that. And yeah, it just makes you proud to

(25:38):
be a Kiwi, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
It, Dallas? It certainly does. And that's a great question
you ask, when does confidence become arrogance? And how do
you tread that fine line. We'll make sure we get
to our coach in Guru, Wayne Goldsmith onto that, because
I'm sure he'd have some great thoughts on that, And
and do you can you train confidence as well as
another thing? Can you train to be this way to
go right to that line and not cross it? You know,

(26:02):
we've seen a lot a lot of different styles of
athlete at these Olympic Games. We've got the very very brash,
the very very outward exuberant extroverts, and then we've got
the other end of the scar that the humble and quiet,
quieter achievers. And I think it's kiwis we probably like
that a little bit more. I think we like our

(26:23):
sports people a little bit more humble, you know, And
I think for the most part that's what we've got
with ours. But I would like to think that if
we had an athlete who was super successful, and they
were a bit brash and they were a bit arrogant
that we wouldn't tear them down for it. And you
know who I land on with that israel A de Sonya.
Here's a guy who does beat his chest, who does

(26:45):
display outward brashness, and I think sometimes he is an
easy target for people. But then I remember listening to
his speech at the Hallbergs and he he was so
articulate and so real and so authentic, and he made
such good sense. He said something along the lines of
when I rise, we all So it does take all types.

(27:12):
Whose decision was it asks this one to have the
jump off instead of sharing? It's a it's a good
question because there are mixed reports on this. So they
could have shared the gold medal. Hamish Kerr and Shelby
McEwen of the United States, they could have shared the
shared the gold medal if they both agreed on that.
That's what happened three years ago when two jumpers who

(27:35):
were both there this morning, actually Barshim of Katta and
Tamberry of Italy, they were in exactly the same situation
three years ago in Tokyo and they decided they would
share the gold medal this time. I think I think
they asked McEwen first, the American, do you want to share?
And he said no, So only one person has to

(27:55):
say no. But in listening to an interview that Hamish
Kerr did with Michael Burgess from the New Zealand Herald,
he said that if he'd been asked first, he probably
would have said no, let's jump for it as well.
I think you said something along the lines of I
would rather win silver by jumping for it than share
a gold. Even though there's you know, that was a

(28:18):
nice storyline three years ago, which edited to the legacy
of the Olympics. I quite liked the fact that they
both said, now we'll give it a crack. Let's see
who's Let's see who's best today. Let's see who's best today.
Sam says, Jason got home last night from my mates sixtieth,

(28:39):
watched the K one on record superb then onto the
golf with Lydia. I've never watched the game of golf
for my life, and I watched from the thirteenth to
the eighteenth hole, nervous but confidence awesome. I thought fondly
of one of Lydia's biggest fans, Murray Deeker, good on
your Sam. Yeah, oh, Murray would have loved it, would
have absolutely loved it. You're thinking of taking a sick

(29:00):
day tomorrow from lack of sleep, Mark.

Speaker 18 (29:03):
Yeah, sleep's parwadive at the moment. But I've got to
listen to this show, so that's not.

Speaker 15 (29:11):
Going to happen for a while.

Speaker 22 (29:14):
As you know, I've done a lot of white Water
and Water Canoe and Jason, to me, the whole lot
last night was brilliant. But Lisa Carrington? Are we ever
going to see another Lisa Carrington?

Speaker 13 (29:27):
Well?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I mean, what do you think? What do you think?

Speaker 12 (29:31):
Mark?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Having been in the sport? Is she just a generational
one off?

Speaker 22 (29:35):
She's a she's a giry, She's just she's a freak,
an absolute brilliant freak. And I really hope she goes
into coaching because that is where it's going to come from.
She's got the mine, she's got the.

Speaker 23 (29:54):
She's got the knowledge. Obviously, she is very, very fit and.

Speaker 22 (30:01):
That takes a lot of dedication to get us fitters.

Speaker 19 (30:05):
Watch how old is she?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I think she's mid thirties now.

Speaker 22 (30:09):
Yeah, right, A woman of that age to be that
fit and to do what she's done.

Speaker 17 (30:16):
Man another Hallberg.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, well, I think she's got to be a front runner.
That's the good thing about Olympic years. We've got nine
gold medalists. Now look at the Sportsman of the year
for starters, Hamish Kurr, Hayden Wilde, Finn Butcher. There you go,
three gold medalists right there. There's three of your finalists
straight away, and how do you separate them? How do
you separate those three? Actually know wild didn't win the gold. Sorry,

(30:42):
didn't win the gold, did he? I'm going to bet
carried away there Andy, Sorry, but I think he's still
there or thereabouts. Finn Butcher and Hamish Kurr certainly in there. Yeah,
the Hallberg's are always always interesting. After an Olympic year,
Lydia coe along shortly a couple of tech set Hamish Kurr.

(31:04):
What are two hours of drama? It was like watching
Saint Lisa rowing for two hours. It wasn't it like that?
Wasn't it? It was a lot like that. I went
to bed, said Rosalie at four am after Lydia finished
with her gold, got up again at six to watch Hamish.
I'm feeling a bit dusty, but it was so worth it.
It really was, Rosalie, It really was worth it. Jason.

(31:26):
There's one gold medal moment that stands out for me,
Hamish Kerr. We're well known for kayaking, for rowing, for cycling,
but high jump, that is my golden moment, says Michael
Brian says, taking into account the individual achievements of Jamee, Lisa,
Lydia and Hamish, this is perhaps New Zealand's greatest sporting

(31:46):
day in our history. May well be, may well be.

Speaker 24 (31:50):
Hello Chris, Oh hey buddy, how are you men?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Very good Chris? How are you mean?

Speaker 24 (31:54):
It's good?

Speaker 25 (31:55):
Hey?

Speaker 24 (31:55):
Look, I can't believe that high jump last night. I
had to rewatch the whole thing this morning. Like I
don't think I've ever thought in my mildestreet that would
ever win a high jump medal.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I know, I know that seems so well, it just
seems so odd, just like we've got another things, but
high jump, you know we.

Speaker 24 (32:10):
Never where did that come from?

Speaker 26 (32:12):
Well?

Speaker 24 (32:12):
But I mean the dramas that's really cool, right, that's
I think that's the whole thing. It's really cool, but
the high jump. But what I want to say real
quickly was I couldn't believe Lydia Coe. And and I
think it was a comment that a comment that made
that struck me. He went through all at accolades and
then he said, she's completed golf at twenty seven. Completed golf.
You've completed it, like that's what You've cropped the game,

(32:34):
that's all I can Yeah, I do you believe that
golf is the most hardest sport probably in the world
to actually win. You've completed the twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
That's such a good comment.

Speaker 24 (32:43):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's clocked. She's clocked. And she said,
well she's in the Hall of Fame now, that takes
her into the Hall of fame. She I mean, she
she said, after after this one, Chris, it will be
her last Olympics. So whether that means she's going to
call it a day completely or whether she just doesn't
want to go on for another four years. But something
about the Olympic Games and Lydia Co, I mean, you
know how hard golf is, right, It's hard enough to

(33:05):
win a tournament, let alone win three medals across three
Olympic Games. I justs honished you one.

Speaker 24 (33:11):
Yeah, gold, silver Bronch's won all three and then and
then literally the last comment that guy said, Oh she's
completed golf queen okay in comparison to delay, just the
most hardest, mentally tough sport in the world. You just
completed something at twenty seven. Yeah, that's amazing. It's being
an amazing night. It's an amazing, amazing Olympics. Honest, fantastry.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Good on you, Chris, great stuff mate, good to chat
and hear your enthusiasm.

Speaker 27 (33:34):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I'll probably you know, in seventy years from now
put that on your headstone. Lidia Co she completed golf
at the age of twenty seven. Seventeen to one, Stay there, Dennis,
with you right after this.

Speaker 9 (33:47):
From Penrose to Paris.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
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Speaker 2 (33:59):
Talks fourteen to one, talking Super Saturday in Paris. Super
Sunday Here, How are you, Dennis?

Speaker 26 (34:05):
Good after morning Lydia Co. My late wife was probably
her biggest fan and every game she's almost ever played.
We're up watching what my wife was and I've been
watching so much Olympics, whatever time it was, I've had

(34:26):
enough and went to bed and I was woken up
at three o'clock by my wife. I think, to come
and watch Olidia.

Speaker 28 (34:39):
Brilliant.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, just yeah, she must have known it. She must
have known.

Speaker 26 (34:50):
Oh sure, yeah, she's up there with them all. And yeah,
I thought, no, I'm not going to watch Lydia because
she'll do the water or you know, all that sort
of stuff and we'll be disappointed. But three o'clock and
I sleep hours night. You know, I was working up.
I don't know how next thing I'm from a TV

(35:13):
about three o'clock and watched it. Thought, yep, I know
she got me up there. There we go.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
What a moment, What a moment, Dennis terrific night.

Speaker 26 (35:26):
Yep, she'll be she'll be over the moon. She used
to text Lydia. Lydia comes from a Hopey beach. My
oldest daughter lives up there, and it's not friendly with
her but knows no acquainted with you that sort of thing.
And uh yeah, and finally, thank you very much for

(35:48):
you and the team. I've just in between I'm doing
portrait painting and when I'm not watching TV, i'm missing
the few eyes I think as gold medals do you
all deserve.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Boddy, marvelous, good man, Dennis, all the best, take care
of yourself. Thank you for calling in.

Speaker 29 (36:06):
Hi, Julie, Hey Fanny, thank you so much for you
call this morning on Hamish's high dump. I was listening
on the radio and my stomach was a Nazi created
everyone and I've had got so much I want to
say to you. But the highlights, the numerous, like the
synchronicity on the dive board and on the gym floor

(36:29):
and sitting on the couch trying to hold my breath
while those thin night swimmers are doing their things, the water,
and the humbleness that has been touched on by both
our successful athletes and our ones that feel that they
haven't quite matched their performance they wanted. But two golden
quotes was Lidia Cove this morning in one of our

(36:51):
interviews saying it would be quite cool if I went
out and got a medal. And then the Homeless gave
us care this morning when he said, you know that's
bought for you though it makes us do cool shit.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I heard that too. That was awesome.

Speaker 29 (37:09):
Yeah, So thanks, finally loved out and looking forward to
getting out, sleep back.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Good on you, Jerlie Lovely to chat to you, thank
you for calling her. Yeah, it was there's some, there's some.
There's some quotes for the ages coming through, that's for sure.
Stoke for them all, says Nick. But watching Lisa Carrington,
I was most nervous. I really wanted her to win.
Coe was the most pleasing. Kerr was the most surprising,
but all bloody marvelous. Yeah, that's that's well put, Nick,

(37:35):
That is well put. Jason, Lydia took a few years
off my life glean after she found the water on thirteen.
Her five shot lead disappeared in seconds and every shot
thereafter was like a match point of a sudden death penalty.
She has the coolest temperament of any sports person I've seen. Incredible,
love it a bit, It's good on you. Glenn Well
said similar this one. What Lydia co has achieved is

(37:58):
nothing short of sensational. And to get into the Golfing
Hall of Fame first ever, key we Dame Lydia. Surely
Jason is this Brian not New Zealand's greatest day in sport?
Who would have thought that possible? With the All Blacks
going down last night. Yeah, good call, Brian, good call
and not a New Zealand athlete. But this morning, what
about that women's fifteen hundred final, the Kenyan winner her

(38:20):
third success of gold Olympic medal in this event. How
amazing is that? The best fifteen hundred meter race? I
think I've ever seen so many moments. And that's the
thing too, is that, yes, we've watched out our kiwis
and reveled in their success and loved what they're doing,
but we have seen sporting ability at the very top

(38:40):
of it's you know, it's mountain. These are the best
of the best, and in some of these events, you
just marvel at what the human body can do or
what the mind of these athletes can compel the human
body to do. Night away from one US Talks EB.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
on eighty Weekends with Jason Hine News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Thank you so much for all your texts. They're flowing
in and I'm enjoying reading all of them. My apologies,
i can't read them all out, but I'll just get
to a selection of them before the news at one
and it says Jason was ready for bed after Lisa's gold,
ended up watching Lydia until half past one, went to
bed with the radio on, woke up to here she
was walking to the eighteenth Green, so got up to
see her final part. What an amazing young lady signing

(39:29):
golf balls and giving them to the volunteers, signing hats, shirts,
et cetera in the crowd. What a humble lady. So proud.
Then woke up and caught the end of Hamish Curves Gold.
Very very proud. Key we hear not just for the
medals but also for the down to Earth keyweiks. Thanks Enna,
Dawn says, also add to the humble, honest, down to
Earth New Zealander list, our weightlifter David Letty and our

(39:51):
shot putterer Maddie Wishy a joy to watch, agreed Dawn.
Thank you, Ponty. Great effort by Lydia, co says David
to stay carm and to win extreme pressure from the
Kiwi public. For context, it's more difficult to win a
major as there are so many more players. Anyone can
just have a blinder. You can't control that, Thanks David.
Good point, well made, PINDI don't now, don't forget our

(40:11):
cycling girls. Two golds and a silver and maybe more. Yeah,
that's absolutely right, and there may well be more. There
is still a really good chance of another gold medal
tonight for Elise Andrews and the sprint. She's into the
semi finals, so if she wins her sprint semi she's
racing for gold. This is Elise Andrews already, She's already

(40:34):
won a silver in the team sprint and a gold
in the Karen. It's all of a sudden she's in
this conversation. Imagine trying to pick Sportswoman of the Year
next year. Alisa Hoskins got two gold medals. She probably
looks across at Dame Lisa as well, I can't really
beat your three. But then Alise Andrews, like I say,
could do incredibly well. We've got Brook Francis and Lucy

(40:56):
Spores who won gold and the women's double skulls in
the rowing. I think they need to extend the number
of finalists andy out to ten or something like that.
It's been a terrific Olympic Games. It's been really really good.
Have loved it. I want to come back to it

(41:16):
as well. After two after one though, We've got a
call scheduled with All Black's assistant coach Jason Holland he's
going to join us to recap last night. Can you
get your thoughts as well.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
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Speaker 9 (41:31):
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Speaker 2 (41:39):
Welcome back into the show. It's one oh seven. What
time does the lease race later tonight? Asks this text.
I can tell you she is underway at twenty two
minutes past nine twenty two past nine. In fact, she's
the second of the two heats, so I guess nine
twenty five. You'll probably say, tune in to us on

(42:01):
Gold Sport at nine twenty two and you won't miss it.
So it's effectively semi finals Elise Andrews race as a
British writer. There are German and Dutch writers in the
other semi The winners race for gold and silver, the
loser's race for bronze. So regardless of what happens, Elise
Andrews will be certainly racing for another medal. If she

(42:23):
wins her heat of the women's sprint, then she's racing
for gold. Incredible, Craig says. Most people probably don't realize
what the athlete's clear and high jump if you live
in a house with an eight foot start, look at
a wall and the bottom of the trum up to
the roof and that's it. Incredible, Thanks Craig. Linda says Jason.

(42:47):
I watched Lydia from start to finish, went to bed
at four, continue to watch cycling and high jump. Sleep
will have to wait. My son and is in the
New Zealand dodgeball team competing at the World Champs in
Austria this week. Good on your Linda, and David says
I reckon there should be a special of ward at
the Hellbergs for the outstanding success of these medalists. Can
never say never, but I feel like it will be

(43:08):
a long time before we see this again. Hope they
get reasonable remuneration. Thank you, David, that's all to come.
I guess the renumerble remuneration conversation. Co's medal is the
best for me, says this one by far a more
competitive and larger sport, elite numbers wise and nature of
the game. Thank you very much. Indeed, we'll revisit the

(43:31):
Olympic Games. After two, Well chat Olivia. Co actually James
mcconey as well out of Paris. He has been doing
incredible work over there. He's going to join us and
before we knock it on the head at three, we
will be talking some darts with Hope I Puoh, our
number one darts player head at Hamilton Darts Masters next

(43:51):
week coming up ten past to one.

Speaker 28 (43:54):
They throw themselves at the line.

Speaker 13 (43:55):
Argentina's over.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
They take back the lad through their thirty nine year
old hooker and he can't believe it. Thirty three thirty
to come and the All Blacks will need to respond.
Test to come from directly under the un right.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
So last for the All Blacks last night thirty eight
points to thirty. Let's bring in assistant coach Jason Holland. Jase,
thanks for taking the time for a chat. What's the
overnight test? Telling you about what played out last night?

Speaker 15 (44:19):
Oh look, obviously we're really disappointed with the outcome and
some fatters of how we went about went about our
game and how we got pressure on ourselves. So yeah,
a lot of things we need to we need to
get to a bit of standard to make sure that
how we want to play next weekend.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
What are some of the things that perhaps I don't
know whether they kept you all wake last night, but
the things that are front of mind for you and
the others this morning.

Speaker 15 (44:45):
Oh, there's a couple of things, like there's a couple
of times where we really put them under under lots
of pressure with some of our skill set and some
of our playing on top of them, but a couple
of obvious ones, we seem to score point and then
not be able to get out our own half. And
what we've seen is when whenever we saw Argentine that
got him to the opposition twenty two, there was points

(45:06):
came from under one and we just were inefficient enough
at getting out of our own end post points and
then being able to convert that pressure. So there's a
game of small margins around the pressure moments, and we
went good enough and a few and a good few
of them last night.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Why was it so challenging to exit your own territory.

Speaker 15 (45:23):
Well, Argentina a good side and they got some really
good kickoffs going on and put us under pressure. And
we we you know, with the combination of a little
bit of skill set around our kick skills and in
a little bit of understanding of structure and how we're
going to get out of our own ends. So we'll
work hard at that this week and make sure that

(45:43):
we get into into Argentina's half.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Do you think you kicked too much or not?

Speaker 15 (45:50):
No, we didn't kick too much. We just didn't kick
acurately enough. And if you kick accurately straight away, then
ideally your next starting point will be something you can
play with ball in hands. So yeah, it's aught about execution,
getting ball back when you kick in the air, those
sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
As coaches, how do you address unforced errors? Because there
were a few of those last night too, Yeah.

Speaker 28 (46:14):
There was.

Speaker 15 (46:16):
Yeah, obviously we're challenging boys to you know, skill sets
under pressure, so we've going to train that. We're going
to make sure we're under pressure the whole week in
our skill seat and nailed on so that we again,
as I say, apply the pressure Argentina the whole time
rather than letting them off to hook when we feel
like we getting on top of them. So little things
around breakdown, little things around there, catch past stuff or

(46:37):
the little skill seat or something that we just got
to keep nailing during the week.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
How do you apply pressure in those situations?

Speaker 13 (46:43):
Jase?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Because I know you can. You can ask you know,
your pliers to keep high standards. But at the end
of the day, in the back of the minds, it
is just training. How do you how do you apply
that pressure in a training situation?

Speaker 15 (46:53):
Yeah, nothing's really just training. You know, our sessions during
the week and especially our Thursday sessions a high speed,
no space. The boys that are in the twenty three
are always applying mess of pressure and looking to apply
just as much, if not more pressure than what the
opposition and the weekend are going to do. So Thursday
we built our weeks at Thursday's high speed, high pressure

(47:16):
and not much time or space. So yeah, which could
be more accurately to flow into the game.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Are the players executing the game plan you want them to?

Speaker 15 (47:27):
Yeah? As I say, yeah, the game plan and what
we're looking to achieve is showing some really good moments
at times those were scoring thirty points and being able
to you know, as the things we've talked around around
some of our stuff and putting pressure on ourselves is
more around execution and making good decisions at good times.

(47:50):
So there's a click as a coaching group and as
a playing group, when we'll keep working really hard making
sure we can execute what we intend put out of you.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Did you get what you expected from Argentina?

Speaker 15 (48:04):
Yep, yep, one hundred percent. The mushroom if for the
court physicality, they're ablieve to get off the line and
put pressure on you. And then the the kerry and
that the big boys and they you know, have been
pretty impressive and the lead up and we knew exactly
what was coming there with both sides of the ball.
So yep, we got that. And uh no credit to them.

(48:26):
They were they were they were good, and they heard
us for the little bit that we didn't get right.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
And uh, I guess this is all still relatively new
to you guys as a coaching group for the first
time on a Sunday, you're you're picking over the bones
of a defeat. What what will that process look like
for the rest of today and into tomorrow? When do
you when do you finish your review and start looking
ahead to next Saturday?

Speaker 15 (48:48):
Yeah, look, obviously today's a travel day, so we traveled
all done this afternoon. A good few of us have
been watching watching the footage one morning and having some
meetings and some conversations around around all the things that you,
you and me have just talked around.

Speaker 14 (49:03):
So we'll we'll.

Speaker 15 (49:05):
Have lots of conversations as we travel the meetings tonight
and we'll review in the morning and then look at
the way that we're going to look to beat Argentina
on the weekend, on dunchdown tomorrow and move forwards.

Speaker 14 (49:17):
So we've got a learning no idea.

Speaker 15 (49:19):
This environment was hard on each other, having each other
as coaches and hard each other's players, and we worked
really hard to make sure Yeah, we put we put
a bit of performance that we did last night.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, we've got to frame a reference now with Argentina.
So do you is it more is it likely that
you'll just use a similar kind of game plan and
just look to execute better or do you think there'll
be tweaks to the game plan?

Speaker 15 (49:42):
Our combination of both, combination of both, There will be
some areas that we look at that we say, okay,
we'll do things a little bit differently to put them
under more pressure. So it's a good point. You just
you've you've got a plan in place for one week
and then you look at it and we'll tweak it
but it'll be a combination of both.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
All right, Hey, thanks Jason, I going to plan to
catch appreciate you by taking our call. Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks, your chance to react to
what you just heard there from Jason and what you
saw last night. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
can open the lines on the rugby. The word I
wrote down watching last night was and this was after
the first half, was chaotic. It was all just a
but helter skelter, the pass, kick catch basics for some reason,

(50:22):
just seemed to desert some of the best players on
the planet at kind of inopportune times. Argentina absolutely came,
as advertised, stuck to a game plan which gave them success.
They run hard, they tackle hard, they kick well. They
forced their All Blacks into positions they didn't really want
to be in less than ideal. No space in the

(50:44):
middle of the field and no real ability to make
space out wide. All in all, I think it was
just a below par performance and all the players said
that afterwards. I've heard post batted interviews with the likes
of Jordi, Barrett Boden, Barrett, Artie Savie others, and they
all said the same thing. We just didn't play well
enough positives. Always liked to look for them. Sam Darren

(51:06):
I like him, does the basics well, winsor's lineouts as
if the ballers trying to him scored a try. He's
a guy who could be around the All Blacks for
a long time. I like the look of Sam Dowry.
Also good to see Will Jordan back after a prolonged
period on the sidelines. I think obviously he adds to

(51:27):
any team he's in. But that's about it, really, And again,
this is nothing that the players don't know. They all
said exactly the same last night. They were brutally honest
in their self assessment. Let me know what you thought,
what you saw, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,
two ninety two on text, And just a word on
the crowd or lack of crowd, twenty five thousand there

(51:51):
last night. My good friend Brad Olsen messaged me last
night and said, do you know what the crowd is?
And I said, well, I've got the official word through,
which was twenty five thousand. That seems like a very
arbitrary number to me. You know, whether it's twenty five
or whether it's twenty four nine, two six or what
the heck it is that it's around twenty five thousand.
Let's say Brad came back and said to me that

(52:14):
that's the lowest crowd for a Test in Wellington since
the stadium was built. It's the lowest crowd since the
All Blacks played Argentina at Athletic Park in nineteen ninety seven.
And there's no way of hiding it in Wellington? Is
there with those bright yellow seats? Why aren't we turning

(52:36):
up in the numbers that we used to. Is it
now just easier not to go? Certainly cheaper Test tickets
aren't cheap, but a big part of me says, you
know what, if the tickets aren't going to sell, and
you know they're not going to sell, and you get
to the back end of the week before a Test match,

(52:57):
then pay a visit to a bunch of schools and
give some kids who would never even dream of being
able to go to an All Blackstis Test the chance
to do exactly that. If you're not going to make
money from those seats, then do some good with them.
A whole bunch of decol one schools in Wellington could

(53:18):
have been given those tickets. They could have headed out,
the players could have taken them out. Imagine those kids
if the All Blacks turn up at their school and say, hey,
we're not just here for signatures and selfies. Here's some
tickets to the game. And while we're at it, we'll
get a bust. You know, we'll get a bust to
the game as well.

Speaker 28 (53:35):
For you.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Imagine the good will that would create. Instead we're talking
about the bays and bays of yellow seats. But to
crack into that, keen to hear your thoughts. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty, I see we've got a full
board already. It didn't take food long. I looked away
and then look back, and all of a sudden, here

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we are. So let's get into it, Rusty, thanks for holding.

Speaker 19 (54:00):
Thank you very much. Well, you know, I think that
idea of getting the chill and there is just an
absolute winner. But you know, with the powers would be
to ever think of that in a practical sense getting
onto the game. You know the panic situation when they
threw a ball back and back. I think the first
ball was thrown by Artie, wasn't.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
It yes, I think so well.

Speaker 19 (54:25):
I mean a fighter forward like that, he just picks
the ball up and drives forward and sets up. He
doesn't throw the ball back. I mean she was with
this is kids now. The other thing is the line
out now? And again went well, but why oh why
when Lord came on the tallest man in the paddock

(54:46):
and they threw the ball right out the back, where
was the you know, the talk there of what we're
going to do with it. It's just ridiculous. You're going
to win that ball a lot easier at two and
four than you went at the back, and this you've
got first five running to it or a man back
there ready for it. So where was that discussion? And
then I'm going going on to this kicking business in

(55:08):
the last quarter of an hour unless when we need points,
Bode and Barrett kick the ball and they won the
line out. You keep the ball in hand when you're
behind and just keep working and working and working, winning
winning the rucks, winning this and winning that, but making progress.

(55:28):
But kick it and kick it out. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, right, I do. I you surely though, understand that,
like if they're just keeping hold of the ball and
they're not getting past the advantage line, which Argentina weren't
letting them. Do you know, you're just banging against a
brick wall. You do have to try other things to field.
Position is still valuable in the game of rugby, even
if you don't have the ball.

Speaker 19 (55:48):
Yeah, when you've got a we were tortoise kids on
an eight eighty two year old man. We were tortoise kids.
When you're against to good forward pack, you get the
ball to the outside and keep working to the outside.
But how many times did our center get the ball
to the wingers? Very very few. And I'll tell you
what I did see was brilliant. Haven't seen it for

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years as the centry kick and we scored.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah, that was good, wasn't it. With Cody Taylor charging
up the middle. Rusty Sorr. I've got to get to
some other calls, mate, But yeah, that was also what
impressed me about Sam Dowry that he got that try. Yeah,
the center and kick from Bowden Barrett is Cody Taylor
charging up the middle. For all the world it looked
like he would score. Sam Dowry could easily have just
you know, let him sort of you know, leave him

(56:34):
to it, but he followed up, just in case, just
in case, just in case, and there he was got
the try. Someone said they're the best thing for me.
Aside from Argentina's performance, was Sam Dowry's mum's reaction to
her son's try. I didn't see that she's involved in
the all black setup, isn't she Sam Dowry's mum. She's

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involved in the nutritional side of things. What did you
make of it?

Speaker 28 (57:00):
Mark terrible?

Speaker 21 (57:06):
One of the most disappointing games I've ever seen. I
just wanted to say quickly about Lydia car. I think
it's one of the best sporting events I've ever watched.
I mean, just the way she handled the pressure while
all the competitors just fell away was Yeah, it's just
mind blowing. Really, I thought she was years just that. Absolutely,
I haven't seen anything like that apart from Tiger Woods

(57:27):
in his heyday. Really, it was just she was just
so dominant in control, and I thought, yeah, just blew
me away.

Speaker 30 (57:33):
Really amazing how she could turn that on at the
Olympics time after time, you know, and it's good to
know that she's got into the Hall of Fame and yeah,
just incredible.

Speaker 31 (57:43):
But the All Blacks.

Speaker 21 (57:45):
It's just yeah, it was just just sad to watch. Really,
they look completely disorganized. I think the worst news I
heard was raised just before saying they're going to stick
with d MAC. I mean, the only reason I can
see them sticking with d MAC. And you know, I
feel a bit sorry for Bowden bear and I mean
you think, wow, you know, he's a multimillionaires, you know,

(58:06):
player of the Year twice. But I mean it's a
bit like Liam Lawson. I mean, we're seeing d MAC
is just not handling it well under the pressure. And
you've got you know, two time best player in the world,
who I think is, apart from probably Richie m Wanga
is is the best number ten in the game. And
I mean he's not getting any game time, which probably

(58:26):
doesn't help things. But the only thing I can think
of why they're sticking with DMAC is that in the
next World Cup. I think they're thinking Richie and Wanga
will probably be back, and they want d MAC is
the backer and Bowden you know, probably paired with Will
Jordan as fullback.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
What do you think, Yeah, potentially. I also don't mind
the idea of saying to a player at the start
of a year. Look, you're our first five, so play unencumbered.
Even if we lose, We're not going to drop you,
so don't be fearful of that. And we all know
that at his best, Damien mackenzie is a player who
you know, who plays best unincumbered. He's a free spirit

(59:03):
if you if you like it, and there's not everyone's
cup of tea at first five. But I don't don't
mind the idea mark of them saying we're not going
to drop you just because we've lost the game.

Speaker 21 (59:13):
And I think you're right in the way, and I
think Richie Muhanga did have the same problems when he started,
and I guess that's what they're trying to play out
with the Mac, you know, I mean that that that
super that pressure that comes with testa Mac rugby. They
call it the rush defense, but it's basically they have
less time to make that the decisions. And I don't

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think even in Super Rugby Final, you know, d Mac
under pressure did not perform well. And you know when
he's given time and just a little bit more time,
he's amazing, but just under that international pressure, and I
mean Jason Holland said before that the Sargentinian is a
great side and not a great side. You know, we

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saw not a great side Australia put to the sword
by an amazing South African side and at the moment
our all Black team is nowhere near that. And I
mean it's quite scary that we're going to be facing
South Africa in a very short time and we're probably
looking at a similar sort of result that probably Australia
at the moment, because I don't actually think we looked
that good. We just looked completely disorganized.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Good on you, Mark, thanks for your thoughts, good points
well made as always. Yeah, the trip to South Africa.
I know they'll just concentrate on next weekend's Test against Argentina,
But that trip to South Africa. Yeah, I only had
half an eye, I must admit on the South African
Australian game yesterday. But every time I every time I
looked up, it seemed as though the score was going up.
So yeah, that's a bit of a come down for

(01:00:40):
Joe Schmidt and Australia. We've got to go to Joe
Burg in Cape Town and try and win over there. Yeah,
let's concentrate on this coming Saturday. First and turning around
what happened last night. I guess that's what they'll be saying.
One twenty six, Dave Richard, Please holt, I've got to
get a breakaway with you right after this. Your calls
are welcome on eight ten eighty Back after this on

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Back to the lines on a sec. Here's Scott robertson
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Speaker 32 (01:01:19):
Damian's got some some hell of moments, isn't he. He
showed some really incredible class touches, you know, that chip
kick and because short passing games are really really good. Look,
Neil grows a game manager. This is the biggest area. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
And does Razor accept that they're going to have to
make some changes for next week?

Speaker 32 (01:01:41):
Yeah, Look, it's.

Speaker 28 (01:01:44):
It's good.

Speaker 32 (01:01:45):
The first thing you have to do to accept anything
like that to be honest with each other. So we'll
be honest. Once we're honest, well appear, you know, with
with a real clear focus what's required this week and
people owning firstly, to be honest, you'll own it and
then get the leaders right in place, and we know
how much as a stake this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
And is Scott Robertson speaking earlier today, Thanks for holding Dave,
that's all right.

Speaker 27 (01:02:12):
I don't think they want to let that fortress. They've
never lost at Eden Park. They won't want to lose
at Eden Park. And I agree with your idea. Get along,
give tickets to the schools and the counties and tim
and correct out this way. And because they give tickets
to my grandsons along to the Blues Blues game out

(01:02:35):
there to see the Blues play, and they should do
the same out here all over Auckland and get them along.
And they do the basic things right and the forward's
mill it, don't get penalties way, and don't let their
argentiniansk boards get on top of them. As you said,
throw the ball and properly and basic things right. They'll

(01:02:58):
do it. They get it right. They win at Edon Park.
They won't want that record record Eden Park.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Eden Park's fortress, indeed it is. And I thanks for
you Court. I don't think they'll lose there, but then
I didn't think they'd lose last night either the idea,
the idea about school kids at the game isn't new,
but I was just thinking about it this morning when
I was watching a replay of the game and seeing
those empty seats and thinking, you're not getting money for

(01:03:23):
those seats anyway. It's like when an aeroplane takes off.
Once there are aplane takes off, you can't sell any
more tickets to it. Once the game starts, you can't
get any more revenue. So what would you rather banks
of yellow seats that we're going to be talking about today,
or the experience of a lifetime for a bunch of
kids who would never get that experience otherwise. There are
some kids, I mean, we have to sometimes remember how

(01:03:45):
lucky we are. There are some kids who don't even
get to go into the city, let alone get to
go to a game of rugby. It is expensive, far
beyond the means of a large slice of our population.
Imagine if unsold tickets on a Thursday at the back
end of the week, or even on the Wednesday, when

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you know the team typically has a lighter training day.
Imagine if Artie Savia and Rico Joanni turn up at
your school and hanging out a bunch of Test tickets
and say to them and all you have to do
is be at this place on Saturday night. We'll bust
you when I'm back. Imagine the goodwill and the full

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stadium as well. Richard, Hi, mate Hi.

Speaker 14 (01:04:32):
Finally, it couldn't agree with him more about the ticket.
So I couldn't believe my eyes last night when Sky
accidentally showed the other side of the stadium, that was
I reckon it was three quarters empty on the one side. Yeah,
I just thought, and I agree with you. Get the
kids involved, because the kids are not feeling in connection
with these days, I'm sure of it, and that's why
a lot of them aren't playing rugby anymore. But last

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night's match was a really excellent All Black performance by
the opposition, if you think about it in these terms.
Argentina considered an early lead in a scrappy try. They
fought back from twenty to eight down, They scored both
sides and a half time they went under the half down.

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How often were seeing the All Blacks do that? And
then the second half they dealt to the All Blacks
twenty three to ten. That's not a small margin, that's
a big margin against anybody in the top five teens.
Argentina played like the All Blacks last night and the
result shows it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
That's a great that's a great way of looking at it. Richard,
You're right because the stuff you're saying, there's the stuff
that we yeah, we used to expect from our team.
Right if we were behind, that's okay, we'll run over
the top of them, you know, a becket of a game.
We'll you know, we'll use our bench to you know,
to get the job done. It's a really good point
you make.

Speaker 14 (01:05:44):
Can I come in on the Australians African match?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah? Please?

Speaker 14 (01:05:48):
Yeah, I watched that. I'm a bit of a jogment fan.
I'm quite enjoying how Australian rug is sending itself around
at moment. There isn't a team in the world that
was stuck with saith Avera yesterday. That was the best
of African performance I've seen in a long time. They
absolutely mollered them, They rolled them everywhere. And if it
wasn't for the defense of aggression of some of the

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all the Wallabies, the step score even sixty points. I
know that's the strangest thing to say, but that was
an impressive South African performance and the All Black coaches
must be worried about going to Africa next month. You
must be worried about going there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah, well I am not worried. I'm actually quite curious,
to be honest, Richard, because yeah, they South Africa Cleveland.
Like I said, I didn't watch the game in as
much detail as you did. I've I've sort of I've
had a look at the highlights. Like I say, every
time I looked up last night, they were putting points on.
But from what you've seed, they're they're they're They're an
imposing force as they always are, but maybe even more

(01:06:43):
so this year because Australia have kind of been a
bit like us even't though they've won their first couple
against against Wales and and you know, not got to
the top of their game, but against a real opposition
like South Africa, they clearly what do you they got, Mullard.

Speaker 14 (01:06:55):
Mullard, Yeah, well, they spent their entire first half in
their own half, the worldbeest, and they didn't like scoring
for seventy minutes. That's that's more of a friction of
the South Africans and how well organized they are, right
now because they're organized and those forwards are big, and
they're fast, and they're confident, and it's a Beth He's

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going to be difficult to stop, very difficult to stop.
It's a good team.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Yeah, good on your Richard. Hey, thanks mate, Please call again.
I've enjoyed listening here to your analysis. Yeah, please please
stick with us across the Rugby Championship. Might i'd like
to hear from you again? Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty kids don't go to the city. What is there
to see that?

Speaker 23 (01:07:35):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
What I guess what I meant was that a trip
into the city is like we go to town is
a bit of a treat, right. I remember hearing from
some kids who got free tickets to a Phoenix game,
and that's that's where I guess I got this this
phrase from. Is that not only was it the first
time a lot of these kids had been to the stadium,
it was the first time a lot of them based

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out in the Hut Valley had even been into the city.
There was this whole new world for them. Not saying
that they should be able to go in there all
or would want to, but the fact that they had
never left the Hut Valley and gone into Wellington City.
As I said, we need to remember that not everybody
is as lucky as us.

Speaker 13 (01:08:15):
Hey, Kevin, how.

Speaker 28 (01:08:18):
Are you good?

Speaker 23 (01:08:19):
Can I just make two points from last night the
rugby yep? First of all, this seems to be a
lot of people wanting to knock Damien McKenzie, and I
think it was all based around that scrambled towards the
end of the game when the Argentinian scored, the ball
came back and it was surrounded Damien McKenzie and then

(01:08:40):
he tried to get it back to Barrett. But if
you have a look how that started, and it was
Ardie save that stuffed that up. He went down for
the ball when it was a bit of a maul
and Radama was trying to pick it up, and he
took it off radamah and he was and he threw
that pass that was nowhere near McKenzie, And of course

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McKenzie then at the scramble and he tried to get
it back and Barrett was running, was running and overran it.
So that was just a comedy of errors. But I
reckon it was Ardie Savia caused that, and I think
he wants to go back and have a look at that.
If the halfback wants the ball, let him have it.
For God's sake, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Think Kevin, I think he's so yeah, I'll let you
get to your second point. Just on that. Artie Savia
totally owned up to that last night. He said yeah.
He held his hand up in the postmatch press conference
and said exactly that.

Speaker 13 (01:09:31):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, no, but no, no, no, no. I wouldn't have
expected you to have heard it. I just wanted to
make the point that, yeah, of anybody, and they all
did it, but he in particular owned that specific mistake
that he made. Sorry your second point.

Speaker 23 (01:09:44):
Yeah, My second point is that I believe that under
this current regime we tended to run our subs on
and all our subs were newbies. Now, if you have
a look at the Argentinians and who they brought on
towards the end a man, there's a lot of experience
there and the South Africans do that. If you want impact,

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you don't give it to newbies that really haven't been
under pressure like that. Amoa threw the ball and badly twice.
They took the young fellow that they had in what's
his name.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Darryl or the Locke, the New Boys, Sam Deary, the Blues,
Sam Deary.

Speaker 23 (01:10:22):
Yeah, Sam dearrk darry that's it. He was going like
a train. Why take him off? He can run for
eighty minutes for goodness sake, these guys if they why
do we have to pull them off? He know. I
bet he got off the field and thought, Buggert, I'm
doing all right. And I just looked at the changes
they made and they all seemed to they didn't have

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any effect. But maybe you bring on Cody Taylor as
the impact player rather than run him on. But he
could probably could have run for eighty minutes too. So
I just think that we seem to want to change
when a lot of these players should be fit enough
to play at least sixty five minutes going on, you
know what I mean. So that's my point. I just

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think they made very bad choices with their subs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Thank you, Kevin, two points well made by you. Yeah,
I mean Argentina, when you've got Augustine Cleevey coming off
the bench who scored a really nice try, didn't he
a guy who's played one hundred and ten Test matches
for Argentina then yeah, you've you've got, you know, a
real weapon there. Just on al Moor, I've always liked
the way I suffer. I more plays the game of rugby.

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But and a lot of what's impressive about him happens
in the loose, picks it up, thighs pumping, gets up
over the advantage line, takes guys on, smashes into them,
that sort of thing. But he again freely admits that
it is his core role that he has to work on,
and that a couple of throws into the line out
last night just I'm sure he's looking back today thinking

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I must be better. I must be better. They're they're
all thinking that after the game last night. I don't think.
I don't think. I can't remember a time where there
was as much honest self evaluation so soon after the
final was or from all Blacks players they know, they

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News Talks MB Matt says Jason crowd was disappointing, but
not surprising with all the job cuts and cost of living,
Wellington's really struggling. If someone's worried about their mortgage, a
couple of hundred bucks for rugby tickets isn't a priority.
Good point, Matt Allison says. One reason for the empty
stadium the Olympics. Many of us wanted to see the
single skulls with Lisa and Amy. All right, Bevan, let

(01:12:45):
me have it.

Speaker 17 (01:12:46):
All right, I'm going to give it to you. Nighttime
rugby and I've been on it forever is the reason
why those seats were empty. I mean, if you look
at Brisbane Wallabies and South Africa sold out. So I
don't care anymore about this argument about the northern hemisphere. Well,
well there's no normal northern hemisphere, so why was the

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game at nighttime? The second point I'd like to make
is that we don't have size. We don't have this.
We've got no bulk. You know, you think about Sunny
Burll and none who you know people like that. We
don't have that size anymore. And in my opinion Argentina,
it just masses. And when the All Blacks come up
against South Africa, well it's going to be even worse.

(01:13:31):
I mean, those guys are just like running bulls.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Yeah, I can't disagree with either thing. BEVN the daytime stuff.
You're right if in some sort of parallel universe the
All Blacks are playing at two thirty on a Saturday
afternoon rather than seven o'clock at night, I think you're right.
I think there are more there. It just kind of yeah,
and it was. Was there any reason given for the
for the Australia South Africa game being being at that time?

(01:13:57):
Was it purely for the crowds? It can't have been broadcast.

Speaker 17 (01:14:02):
Because of the AFL. I suppose that's sort of yeah,
they sort of wanted that, you know, there's a bit
more of a bit more people looking on television. But
the thing is is that, you know, like when there's
daytime rugby, you know, I reckon if because Wellington was
it was a nice day yesterday, Well why yeah, Like

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why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you do it? Like I
just don't understand this obsession. Every time the Orbitex play
it's at nighttime, I mean, and it's I mean, who
wants to do that? I mean, who wants to go
out there? Get your kids in the car? And stuff.
You go to have the dinner before dinner after and
then you've got to get out of there, and it's
just like and then you lose or whatever. I mean,

(01:14:43):
you know, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But I mean,
it's it's not a it's not an attractive proposition.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
It's not an attractive proposition. It's a good, good way
to finish that that little encapsulation of it, Bevan, It's
not an attractive proposition. You're right, Otherwise that would there
would have been more there last night than twenty five thousand.
You know, again, this is perhaps unfair, but I feel
like this is I'm reading the pulse right here. It's

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people say it's only Argentina. They're not as glamorous an
opponent as Australia or South Africa or England even you know,
it's only Argentina. They don't tend to be box office.
I wonder how it will be this coming Saturday at
Eden Park. Will they absolutely definitely sell Eden Park out?

(01:15:33):
I'm not sure that they will. I hope they do,
of course, I hope they do. You want people, We all,
I think want the same thing, don't we. For the
most part, we want full Stadia to watch our all
blacks Eden parks a fortress. Got to make sure it
stays that way.

Speaker 33 (01:15:51):
Hello, Murray, Hey doing pony. Well, the public have got
everything they wanted, so we're glad you brought it up.
I mean, after sort of baying for blood and the
trial by me, they've got rid of Fozzy, they've got
rid of Cane basically had bb relegated to the bench,
and now Rico for the snatch as well. So what

(01:16:13):
surprised me is how despondent and almost dejected Scott Robinson
sounded when we're just talking about Damien mckenzey, No, Damien McKenzie,
when we've talked about Dave McKenzie and supporting him while
he's learning. Excuse me, I just fell off my chairman.
Damien McKenzie has been all back for eight years now.

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I don't want any learning. I want a performance.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I guess it's you know, no Ray, no, no good point.
I guess Damien McKenzie has never played under razor and
the first five is a big part of a game plan, right,
so maybe you know if I'm playing Devil's advocate. To
your point, I'd say you know that Damien McKenzie is
learning how to play within Scott Robertson's system.

Speaker 33 (01:16:58):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
No, I mean you no, No, Look, I don't know
whether I'm right or you're right, or neither of us
are right or wrong. But I just wonder whether that's
what he meant.

Speaker 14 (01:17:07):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 33 (01:17:11):
Mean I was at the last I was. I was
pretty much delivered last night with how things turned out.
And I I thought about half time we were done
when it was twenty fifteen, I was in covenant at all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, you weren't confident even though we were a hit
at half time. Must know we were a hit at
half time.

Speaker 15 (01:17:29):
I wasn't.

Speaker 33 (01:17:30):
No, I was too much. It was too scrabby, too
much going on, didn't didn't didn't look I thought fig
the fact that we went and played FIGI I thought
there was a waste of time and it didn't advance
our rugby dal In. We paid the price last night
and it could have been a lot worse. If BB
having two none performance to get Thinger, we'd be looking
at two losses. And you know it. Ever in the

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country knows that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Oh Murray, I'm not going to argue with that about
Boden Barratt's performance against it with the neat and park
there was sensational. Yeah, I totally agree. People have made
the point that the Warriors sell out rayan Halo shine
at nighttime as well. It's a good point. Australian Rugby
advertised US today's test, says Keith, as family friendly. I
think they also had family tickets. Terrific idea, terrific idea.

Speaker 34 (01:18:15):
Ricardo, Hi mate, Hey good so only can hear me aka?
I can fantastic. Look, we've had this problem for years,
to be honest, midfield. Midfield seems to be a huge
issue for US ever since Noney sort of left. You know,
you noticed an international play. You know, these two two

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key areas that are quite intimidating for the opposition, and
that's the centers who evers playing in that censer position
twelve or thirteen, because you know, you've got that robust,
sort of no nonsense sort of approach player that's just
going to bang it up the middle and run it straight.
And then you've got that intimidating sort of cano sort
of factor in that forward pack, either a six uce
or eight that's going to fly out of nowhere and

(01:18:58):
absolutely become Akazi, anyone that's coming through. We don't have
any of those fear factors in either of those positions.
You know, Rico Yowanna, Yeah, okay, whilst he was benched,
he's too light. We need someone quite heavy, heavy and
and and you know, like a no new type of player.
We still haven't found that. And then the forwards. Yea,
Artie's great, like, don't get me wrong, He's done wonders

(01:19:19):
for us, but we need someone out else to sort
of have that sort of back up as well that
can accommodate Artie's presence, and we don't have that. And
you know, Argentina showed us up to be honest, like
that previous caller said, we could have easily lost those
three tests could have been three tests in a row.
We could have we we could have lost by now.

(01:19:39):
You know, we were very fortunate that we've got those
victories over England, but Argentinas, come on, you know they're
not even Yeah, okay, you know why of all of
all teams we lost to Argentina, I don't know. And
you know it was public's choice at the end of
the day. You look, we got to you know, read
what we so we we wanted Razor and now we
just got to I guess by time. Now, yeah, I

(01:20:01):
think he's on a long term contract. Just yes, look,
we's got to have faith in him. But look, we
didn't expect that that came out of nowhere. To be honest,
they had lost to Argentina.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I agree on one.

Speaker 34 (01:20:13):
Or one or two losses against England. Yeah, okay, we
could have fathom that. But losing Argentina, that's that's non negotiable.
That that's unheard of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
That point you make about the number six, about the
Jerome kin or kind of player. I think they hoped
and it may still be. Are they that summer Penny
Female is that guy, but he seems to have fallen
out of favor. He wasn't even on the reserve bench
last night. They've gone with Wallace a Titi instead. And
I think Female and that enforce a role for the
Chiefs has on many occasions proven that he can be

(01:20:44):
that intimidating force. I just don't know why. You know,
he may come again, but I think they hoped and
he may still be that bloke for them.

Speaker 14 (01:20:54):
Well I hope.

Speaker 34 (01:20:54):
So look, look, you just got to give him time,
don't you. You know, you've got to give him game time.

Speaker 14 (01:20:59):
Yep.

Speaker 34 (01:20:59):
You know, these sort of players are confidence players and
if they're sort of left out in limbo. You know,
you know what happened to the east of Taller Market
back in the yester years. He was a phenomenal sort
of threat and then you know, because they didn't play him,
he lost a lot of confidence and before you know what,
he was on the outer and I hope that's not
going to happen to that player that you just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Yeah, yeah, I hope so too. Ricardo, good to chat
to you, mate. Yeah, Summer Penny Finale, I think he's
got tremendous potential he for the Chiefs. When I've watched
him at his best for the Chiefs, he is frightening
the way he flies out and times has HiT's on
the first five. Yeah, I'm not sure what's happened there,
But like you can't give everybody a game Ethan Blackadder

(01:21:38):
last night was the number six. Obviously, Papal Savia think
Savia obviously plays. Somebody's made the point. We'll play three
number sevens and the Lucy's interesting point. Seven to two
News talks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
The school from the track fields and the Court on
your home of Sport Weekends for it with Jason Vine Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
B one fifty six. Already, what was going to our
talking rugby? I think we tried to solve a few
problems there. Thank you for all your calls and texts,
most of which, in fact almost entirely all of them
were making good points, So thank you. After two we're
going to flip our focus back to the Olympic Games.
Lydia Co gold medalist and the golf is on the
show with us and James mconey, who has been doing

(01:22:18):
some absolutely incredible work over there, including meeting Tony Hawk,
the goat of skateboarding during the week and Hope by
pul how our best darts plan ahead of the Hamilton
Darts Masters next week.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
It'd be two o seven, Hello and welcome in all.
Welcome back as the case may be. I'm Jason Pyne,
Adam McDonald here too. We're with Hettel three and then
Tim Beverige is going to take over He came in
before and said you want to carry on and talk
more sport, I said no, the listeners would riot Tim
if you weren't here for the weekend collective at three.

(01:23:06):
So we'll be here till three and then we'll pass
it over as we normally do. Lydia Co's on the
show on a sec. James mcconey out of Paris as well.
We didn't get to the last hour because of the
all Blacks chat and Hope I Pooha from well from darts,
Shall we say our number one darts player, Hamilton Darts
Masters next weekend. We've got a double pass to give

(01:23:27):
away to Friday night's action in and around our chat
with Hope I Pooh. You can continue to send you
text we'd love to read them, and we'll read out
a few too. This one from Billy's great as for
the Olympics, it was quite the eventful night in our house,
says Billy. We had sick kids all around, dealing with
tubby bugs, buckets at the ready, a real circus. But
amidst all the chaos, we were jumping up and down,

(01:23:49):
glued to the screen, cheering on the incredible performances of
Lisa Carrington, Lydia Coe and the phenomenal high jump. What
a fantastic effort from our Kiwi athletes. Despite being completely
wiped out, both kids and parents were left smiling. It
certainly made the All Blacks loss a little easier to bear.
Good on you, Billy hope everybody's feeling a lot better.
Eight minutes past two. As we always do it around

(01:24:10):
about this time, we like to keep you up to
date with the stuff you may have missed, and there's
so much going on at the Olympics we can't clearly
can't cover everything, but Annie McDonald's picked out a few
things which he thinks are particularly noteworthy. A new Olympic
record and the means marathon courtesy of Ethiopian tamar At Tola.

Speaker 31 (01:24:27):
Chamirat Toller will be the chost to beat Theopia today,
an absolutely magnificent victory. He's the Olympic champion and he
breaks the Olympic record as well. He adds his name
to a rich list of champions taller with the performance
of a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
And a record an Olympic record in the fifteen hundred
meters from Kenyan legend Faith kip Yegon leading from.

Speaker 31 (01:24:54):
The front, leading by example, take a moment to save
for these images.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
We've never seen anybody.

Speaker 31 (01:25:00):
Win three in a row, and now we have faith.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Jim Yah god put in new Olympic big record was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Not to be denied, the crowning moment of a glittering career.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Wonderful stuff. The United States meantime have shocked absolutely nobody
and won gold in the means basketball.

Speaker 25 (01:25:19):
Curry with it behind the back. He'll pull up with
two hands in his face.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
Off, stop it, stop it.

Speaker 9 (01:25:27):
You have got to be kidding me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:29):
Stiff Curry, another May three and that should do it.

Speaker 25 (01:25:36):
Stiff Curry, you are simply special.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
And our first b boy gold medalist has revealed himself
in the new sport of breaking.

Speaker 35 (01:25:51):
We are watching a dance with Olympic destiny. Will it
be Phil Wizard and the gold for Canada or will
it be Danny Dan and an Olympic title for France?

Speaker 6 (01:26:06):
Around tigs to fill Wizard and he is the first
be by with a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Gold metal when it's down to the line. You made
a call on.

Speaker 9 (01:26:18):
Weekend Sports with Jason Hine, News Talk zeb.

Speaker 25 (01:26:22):
Lydia Coe, the teenage sensation who has been a household
name here in New Zealand for well over a decade.
There's two puts here for gold.

Speaker 9 (01:26:32):
The boy would she love?

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
A Birdie Co putts through and it's down. A golden
glow for lydia com runner up in Rio, two back
in Tokyo and at top of the podium in Paris.
The fairy tale is complete. Lydia Co is an Olympic champion.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Indeed, she is Lydia Coe's one Olympic gold and the
women's golf at LA Golf National simultaneous Lisa kurring entry
into the LPGA's Hall of Fame. She fired at one
under past seventy one in her final round, sinking that
bertie on the eighteenth to finish ten under overall for
a two shot winner. Completes, of course, the trifecta of medals.

(01:27:20):
After lydia Co won silver in Rio and bronze in Tokyo.
Lydia Co's with us with a gold medal around her neck. Congratulations,
Lydia How do you reflect on your day?

Speaker 36 (01:27:32):
Yeah, you know, I think I stayed really patient today.
I was nervous, and I knew going into the day
that I was going to be nervous, but I stuck
to the same routines as any other day and tried
to take a lot of deep breaths. And I've been
doing a lot of good work with my coaches, and
I felt like all those training and all those moments

(01:27:55):
were were you know, I guess working, and like I
was able to prove to myself that I could do
it for this moment. So it's honestly so cool that all,
you know, all of the hard were not only just
from myself but from my team is like peed off
and honestly paid off at the biggest event in my

(01:28:16):
hometoire line.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Indeed, Well, you had that tricky moment on eighteen yet
to get it over the water, you know, with not
much room to play with and certainly not much room
on the scoreboard. What was your mental process as you
as you played your approach to the eighteenth green? Yeah,
you know, I.

Speaker 36 (01:28:32):
Heard it wasn't the best contact off the T shirt,
but I knew being at the bell way it was crucial,
and you know, I worked through the numbers patiently with
my Katie Paul and having that wed shirt was effing
a nice way to kind of approach the Green.

Speaker 34 (01:28:50):
But I didn't want it to be greedy.

Speaker 36 (01:28:52):
But at the same time, just like focus focus on
what I've got to do, and just know that it's
never over until the end, So just put one hundred
percent effort in until that board drops.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
And going back to to the thirteenth, you had that
double bogie, which which sets you back a little bit.
How did you recover from that? What was the mental
process behind that?

Speaker 36 (01:29:14):
Yeah, you know, I actually didn't hit like a bad
shot for it to cool in the water, So I
think in ways like because I knew obviously I made
ne mistic. I didn't like take it to the head
right away, and you know, with fourteen being a part
of five, I knew that it was like where I

(01:29:36):
could potentially make a broody and kind of come back
and find my momentum again. And even though I didn't,
I just did patient and just know that there's still
holes left and just got to focus on what's in
front of me and not what happened, not what has
already happened.

Speaker 13 (01:29:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
I saw a really cool quote from you in one
of your post round interviews when you talked about a
quote you'd heard from American gymnast Simone Biles about it
being up to you to write your own conclusion, the
own conclusion to story. Is that a quote that's kind
of set in your mind this whole time.

Speaker 36 (01:30:12):
Yeah, I saw her documentary and it said and she said,
I get to write my own ending, and that's what
I tried to embrace today. I didn't want, you know,
somebody else playing bad or good to dictate how I
was approaching it. So I just wanted to focus on
me and made sure that I got the job done.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
As you're playing the funnel round for the or any around,
are you aware of the scoreboard as you're going around?
Were you aware of how close those behind you were? Today?

Speaker 21 (01:30:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 36 (01:30:40):
I mean there's a lot of scoreboards, so it's hard
to like miss it. So I knew what the situation was.
So I think hitting quality iron shots. I'm fifteen and sixteen,
I knew was going to be the most important factors
where you know, I was going to take like big
numbers out of the way. So and you know, I
had I hold two good three footos for Parr on

(01:31:02):
those two holes to kind of you know, reset myself
and get ready for seventeen and eighteen. So yeah, I
would have preferred a little bit more of a cushion
going down the last, but no eighteen being a part five,
I wanted to just stick to my game plan and
you know, just take it one shot at a time

(01:31:22):
and to better finish with the birdie. It really couldn't
have been any better.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
So a third Olympic medal for you now one of
each color of course, silver, Rio, bronze, Tokyo, now gold
here in Paris. Can you can you put into context
with everything else you have achieved in your golf in
Korea where your Olympic medals sit.

Speaker 36 (01:31:39):
Yeah, you know, it means a lot, you know, to
be able to represent museum and to do it at
the Olympics three times. I'm very proud to call myself
a three time Olympian and now a three time Olympic
medalists and to collect both all all colors of the
of the medal. It's it's on a c cereal. And yeah,

(01:32:01):
you know, I I think when I lost in the
playoff in Tokyo, I wish I had you know, one silver,
But you know, maybe it was a golfing god's way
of saying, hey, get ready for gold in Paris.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah. Well, whoever was making these decisions certainly got it
right today and just to finish. In the context of
everything you've done as a golfer across your pro career,
where does this rank, this gold medal?

Speaker 36 (01:32:29):
I think every win is special in its own way.
You know, my bronze and silver medal, they are just
as up there as any of my other wins, so
it's kind of hard to compare that. But for now,
this is you know, it feels like the biggest moment
in my career.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Wonderful. Thank you for joining us, Lydia, really appreciate it
and you're packed schedule. Lydia Coe gold medalist in the
women's golfer gold of silver and a bronze for her now.
Just staying with the Olympics for a second. If there
was any doubt about who the greatest of all time
in a kayakers, well that was well and truly put
to bed last night.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Charrington now has her bow in front, She's on ahead
of Cheapish of Hungary. Oh, it's gonna be a fight
to the finish between New Zealand and Hungary. The rest
have been left behind. Can Lisa Carrington make it eight
gold medals?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Carrington, she's putting the stroke right up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
She's half a boat length ahead of Cheapish. She's got
the race face on the red Sonnies. It's Carrington Charrington coming.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
Down to the line.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
It is gonna be gold for New Zealand's Lisa Carrington.
It is Paris perfection for Lisa Carrington.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Here Dame Lisa Carrington completing a second successive hat trick
of gold medals, paddling to victory there in the K
one five hundred last night, she had to overhaul silver
medalist Hungarian Tamara Cheapish, who led it halfway mark, but
the key we eventually stopped the clock in Olympic record
time of one minute forty seven point three six. So
what does an eighth Olympic medal and a third of

(01:34:04):
these games mean to Lisa Carrington.

Speaker 37 (01:34:07):
Yeah, it's incredible, It's it probably means I mean it
means a lot. I think after achieving what we did
in the K four, in the K two, and then
you know, making an individual race like this a team
event with my three teammates on the sidelines cheering me on,

(01:34:27):
I mean, it's just special to have even I think
that I could have tried to achieve this.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
So yeah, I mean this one's really special.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
What was going through Lisa Carrington's mind at the two
hundred and fifteen meter mark when she was in a
battle with Cheapish for the gold.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Oh, I just knew exactly.

Speaker 37 (01:34:46):
I think it's just sticking to my own game plan
and my own strategy. And I knew, you know, through
the through the week that she was performing really well
in her team event. So you kind of get an
understanding of how the field might be and to not
panic when someone who is not always there turns up,
or who should I expect at the two fifty or

(01:35:07):
but I was prepared to you know, you've got to
go out there.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
It's you want a good race, you want to fight,
you want to, you know, really earn it.

Speaker 37 (01:35:14):
So I'm so stoked that I could meet that fight
with tomorrow today and just stick to how I know
how to peddle and you know, as boring as anything,
but just come back to some good technical cues and
how to and lean on my training.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
And when did Dame Lisa know that she'd won.

Speaker 37 (01:35:35):
I don't know, maybe like I never maybe in the
last fifty or twenty five, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
Actually I couldn't actually see tomorrow.

Speaker 37 (01:35:43):
She was a few lanes over from me, and I
think it's you know, you've actually got the camera with
the car driving along the side, so you could think
that that was a person as well. But yeah, I
mean it's just trying to say my own lane. And
I just knew that the last kind of one hundred
meters or even one fifty was going to come down

(01:36:03):
to a lot of heart and just not just sticking
to my technique.

Speaker 13 (01:36:10):
And to finish it, you must have thought she might
come over the top of me the third time this year.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
Yeah, I mean that's right.

Speaker 37 (01:36:19):
You never know anyone, right, like, because obviously we're all
tying up, we're all getting tired, but it's really like
who's got the strong back end as well, So some
people might leave their back end a bit too late
or they started too early and die. So absolutely I
was under no kind of well, I didn't, I didn't not.
I knew that I hadn't had it at the two

(01:36:40):
fifty four hundred. I just had to keep going to
the end, and yeah, I said to keep leaning on
my fitness.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
In that part of the race.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Dame Lisa Carrington eight gold medals, nine total, the goat
without a shadow of a doubt to twenty one. When
we come back. We're off to Paris. It's about twenty
past four in the morning over there. But James McConney said, no, no,
give me a call, so we will. James mcconey right
after this.

Speaker 9 (01:37:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Two twenty four on News Talks NB four twenty four
in the morning in Paris. But James McCarney is up
and about taking our call. Good the chat to your mate. Gee,
I don't know where to start. You've been all over
the place at the Olympics, but I get the I
got a message from you to say you spent time
with shot put silver medallist Maddie Wishy over there. How

(01:37:36):
How was that? And I mean she's an absolute diamond,
doesn't she.

Speaker 28 (01:37:40):
Oh, fantastic.

Speaker 38 (01:37:41):
Your whole family are just awesome and it was lovely
to see them at New Zealand House there and Maddie
has really sort of done it her way, you know,
she didn't even realize that Dame Vale was a legend
because she didn't really watch athletics that much on TV.
So when she was starting to compete and she realized that, old,
wait a second, I'm up against the goat. And and

(01:38:04):
of course had a great relationship and ship with Val
and there's nowhere there as big.

Speaker 28 (01:38:11):
But she through nineteen eighty six ninety.

Speaker 38 (01:38:15):
Meter is eighty six on a wet night, and she
was saying that, you know, because she grew up in
Auckland and trained out at why Tarkety there in west Auckland,
she knew all about throwing in the wet, so she
was she was well prepared and just an absolute delight.
So happy for her, and I think that she will
inspire a new generation because I mean, with all due respect,

(01:38:40):
Vale was six ft five is six ft five, but
Maddie Wishy is one of those you know, she's well
under six foot and just really powerful and good at
what she does and is quite relatable.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
It's incredible that the feedback we're getting a lot on
the show today and yesterday and across the Olympics is
just how humble our sporting champions are and just how
proud we all are because they are that way. I
think it's very key we isn't it. But I think
of Maddie Wishy. I know, you know you've spoken to
many of the others as well. Daniel Hillier, Van Butcher

(01:39:15):
was so humble, you know, Hamish kur Lydia, Lisa Carrington,
the list goes on. It's just isn't it great to
be a kiwe at a time like this?

Speaker 38 (01:39:24):
Yeah, I find that our athletes are definitely the most
approachable and even if they've they've been disappointed by their results,
they're still willing to give their time in chat and
they understand how important it is to you know, put
this sport on the map, to be a good ambassador
and to and to reach the people of New Zealand.

(01:39:45):
That's that a lot of the athletes really talk about
the next generation and hoping that they can inspire them
and hope. Even David Lezi tonight, I was at the
at the weightlifting and he came eighth and it was
you know, he's the eighth strongest man in the world.
He made me repeat that several times in the interview.
I love it because I mean, that's amazing, isn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:40:09):
Really?

Speaker 38 (01:40:09):
Let's be honest, He's up there with in the big leagues,
and some of these guys are absolute freak. So you know,
he was making a point that he found a passion
and just really went for it. And he hopes that
that young kids will look at that, look at him,
and and young Pacifica kids will try something different from
maybe rugby or whatever it is. And he was talking

(01:40:32):
about Koreas just finding a passion. You know, it doesn't
necessarily have to be sport, but it can be. And
I love that message and I thought that, you know,
he's he really acquitted himself.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Well, absolutely, And Hamish Kerr said, you know that before
or when he was growing up doing high jump, there
was no one for him to look up to necessarily
as that you know that that that person who had
been there and done that, and now he becomes that
for somebody else. You know, there'll be there'll be kids
around the country this morning, you know, setting up sort
of bars or maybe bits of rope or ribbon in
their backyard and doing the Fosberry flop or whatever it

(01:41:06):
might be to try and emulate him. Now, speaking of
meeting people, Tony Hawk, you met Tony Hawk, the skateboard goat.

Speaker 28 (01:41:15):
I did.

Speaker 38 (01:41:16):
The goat was wandering around after the men's park skateboard final,
and so was Snoop Dogg as well, by the way,
but he had a lot of security around him. But
Tony wandered past the mix on, which is just a
little sort of pig pen where all the media sort
of wait for athletes to come by, and I thought,
I'll just ask him to say if I'll have a word,

(01:41:37):
and he turned around. I said the words New Zealand
and I think that pretty much got him over and
he and obviously, you know, I locked eyes with him,
and so that was something.

Speaker 28 (01:41:50):
But I.

Speaker 38 (01:41:52):
Actually think that he really is, you know, probably the
most famous person I've interviewed, but not necessarily the most
famous from this Olympics, because I interviewed the Australian break
answer Who's gone viral Reygun, who had a very interesting routine,
shall we say, and and that was that's that's something

(01:42:15):
that has ended up going around the world. But also
the New Zealanders can't believe that she won the Oceanian chaps.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Did you interview her? Have you have you had a
chet to Reygun? She is ultra famous now.

Speaker 38 (01:42:31):
She is super famous and for the for the listeners
out there, if they haven't seen what she did. She
kind of arrived on the floor. It reminded me of
an episode of Kath and Kim. You know, look Amy,
look a moy and and then she did something that
resembled a kangaroo. And there were a couple of times
where she looked like she was mopping the floor with

(01:42:52):
her head and it just was quite bizarre. And you know,
she was genuine. She she was really proud to be there.
She's a thirty six year old university lecturer. Although after
watching her perform, I wouldn't trust you to teach anything, so.

Speaker 28 (01:43:09):
It just didn't add up.

Speaker 38 (01:43:11):
And look, I hope that she's okay because I think
she's going to get a lot of attention.

Speaker 28 (01:43:15):
You know what Australians are like, if you're.

Speaker 38 (01:43:17):
Not ripping the green and gold the right way, they'll
come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I wonder that actually, because I've seen a lot of
a lot of you know, people mentioning this and as
you would have seen this online, she has just exploded.
She probably is as as prominent in the last weekends
as Tony Hawk. But I think people are some people
are like, this is absolutely ridiculous. What is going on,
she's she's become a laughing stock or made our country

(01:43:43):
laughing stock. Well, I think there's another side of some
Australians that I've seen who actually now are making her
into a bit of a cult hero. So it'll be
interesting to see where it lands once she gets back home.

Speaker 28 (01:43:55):
Yeah, she is.

Speaker 38 (01:43:57):
She's somewhere between in the Eagle, Eric the Eel and
that that I skates Stephen Bradbury who won a gold
medal when everyone fell over.

Speaker 28 (01:44:08):
Yes, yes, but I mean look, I mean.

Speaker 38 (01:44:12):
Bradbury was a proper racer. I feel the only issue
with ray gun Rachel Gunn is.

Speaker 28 (01:44:20):
That she is that she ended up looking kind of comical.

Speaker 38 (01:44:25):
Really, that's the only problem was I was, I was
enjoying it in the wrong way.

Speaker 28 (01:44:30):
Really, that was something to behold.

Speaker 38 (01:44:34):
There were a few memes out there saying this is
what happens after a six year old says watch me
and mum watched this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
It's like when they put on when you have visitors
around and they put on shows. That's exactly. Another one
I saw was here's a move I like to call
Tracy's had a few vodkas.

Speaker 38 (01:44:56):
Yeah, I know, I mean, it's just the guess that
keeps on giving. So yeah, we've all been chasing big names.
I mean I spoke to Scottish Scheffler after after he
won the gold middle of the men's golf and I thought, Okay,
it's not going to get much bigger than Scottie Scheffler.
But hey, a couple of days later, Tony Hawk and
then Raygun.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
That's the holy Trinity of the Olympic Games. You've absolutely
nailed it. And I have to say, and the discussion
back here is that only James mcconey gets those interviews. Look,
I know you won't likely saying this, but you are
the most disarming person I've ever met. And I'm sure
that when Tony Hawk and Scotti Scheffler and Raygun locked

(01:45:37):
eyes with you, they were brought under that spell that
so many others have been and just felt compelled to
open their hearts to you. I just think you have
an incredible ability to disarm people and to make them
want a chat to you. And look, it's something that
I've admired for a long long time.

Speaker 28 (01:45:56):
Thanks man, I really appreciate that.

Speaker 38 (01:45:58):
You know what, I still get people coming up on
the street and asking for directions. I am that guy. Yes,
we're people. Yeah, and I don't even speak for each
or know where the hell I'm going. So, you know,
I think that there is something there's something in that maybe.
But the one thing I do think with guys like

(01:46:19):
Scottie Scheffler and I think You've got this exactly exact
same ability as well, is that as soon as you
talk to them, you realize whether you can get on
the same page with those people, you know, whether they've
got a little bit of enjoyment and fun in their
in their life, you know. And I think I've I've
got that even just from my family. You know, my mom,
my grandmother, and you know, my sisters. We're all very

(01:46:42):
similar like that. We like to find out people's life
story in two minutes and you know, and counting. Really
it's just a it's a family curse.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Yeah, Well it is also a magic powerte a magic power. Indeed, James,
great to chat to you. Presume you'll be coming home
at some stage. Can we look forward to your company
next Sunday from somewhere maybe back here, over there or
somewhere in between.

Speaker 38 (01:47:05):
Well, I'm going to drive you crazy because I think
I'll be at the opening day of the Ignish Premier
League Bornemouth versus at Nottingham Forest.

Speaker 28 (01:47:15):
So you can oh and get excited about that, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Safe travels there, can't wait to catch up next Sunday,
get some sleep. Always great to chat.

Speaker 38 (01:47:24):
Cheers mate, really appreciate it and can't wait to get back.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Yeah, I can't wait to see when you get back, mate,
But off to Bournemouth with you to watch Bournemouth against
Nottingham Forest. Unfortunately Alex Paulson's not going to be there.
We didn't even get the chance to chat about Alex
Paulson over the weekend. There was so much else going on.
Alex Paulson to Auckland FC. Maybe we can address that
once the games are over. Twenty six away from three

(01:47:48):
when we come back. It's New Zealand's number one dance
player Hope by Pooh and we'll let you know how
you can get your hands on a couple of tickets
to the Hamilton Dance Masters next Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend
Sport with Jason GJ Gunn Homes New Zealand's most trusted
home builder, News talks.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
The twenty twenty four New Zealand Darts Masters are on
next weekend at a Globbox arena in Hamilton, coming to
New Zealand. We spoke to world number one Luke Humphreys yesterday,
world champion, World match Play champion, and bunch of other
champions as well. Michael Smith is coming, Gerwin Price, Rob Cross,
Peter Wright, Luke Littler to meet Roy Vandenberg, Damon Hetter.

(01:48:29):
They're all coming and leading the Oceania Chargers. New Zealand
number one, Hope by Pouha, who's standing by the chat
to us. We've got a double pass to Friday's session,
Friday night session at the Hamilton Darts Masters. If you
would like those tickets, simply text I was gonna what
do it do? Yesterday we got people to text the
word darts. I know what we'll do today. Why don't

(01:48:51):
you tech through the highest score you can get with
three darts? Tech through that that score to nine nine two,
the highest score you can get with three darts? What
is that? To nine two nine two? And we will
will draw a winner in the next fifteen minutes or so.

(01:49:12):
I hope, I booh, number one in Oceania is with us,
and I hope I First of all, I've got a
lot of questions for you about the year you've had,
but how much you're looking forward to coming home and
competing on home soil.

Speaker 13 (01:49:26):
Yeah, Hamilton has always top of the list for me,
playing in front of the home crowd. Yeah, I'm stoked.
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
It's been a big year for you, a landmark year
in any ways. We spoke to you, I think right
at the start of the year when you earned your
PDC tour card. Can you tell us what the first
six months of the year have been like for you.

Speaker 13 (01:49:49):
It's just yeah, it's just it's been. It's been tough
at times. It's been my family's been been here in
New Zealand, so I've been over there in the deep
end by myself. So at times it is lonely, but
I'm over there. I'm a trailblazer. I'm soaking it all up.
I'm one of, you know, one of the professionals in

(01:50:11):
the room. So I've been working hard. I've been grinding away,
treating it as a job. Some of the results haven't
really been going my way, but I've been getting better
and better every time. I'm back home now after six months,
so Yeah, it's been good to catch up with the
family when on a bit of a holiday the last

(01:50:32):
couple of weeks. And yeah, the last couple of days,
I've been back on the board two weeks off and
it's start like it feels like I haven't fronted up
for like months. So yeah, I've been doing two sessions
a day, trying to get back in the swing of things,
and yeah, and enjoining all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
I guess we all just assume it's a glamorous life,
don't we. But that must have been harday, being away
from your family for six months. How have you How
have you gone about dealing with that? WAT strategies have
you used?

Speaker 13 (01:51:05):
Well, we're lucky day and age of technology, we can
have video calls, so video calls twice a day in
the morning, well in the morning news. The other morning
I would ring before the kids go to school and
then obviously before bedtime. So yeah, and to be fair,
it's probably I speak more to the kids while I

(01:51:26):
was away than when I'm actually at home. So so yeah,
that's a big yeah, big I mean, plus having having
devices like this at the same time. Yeah, it's it's
not just my goal, it's it's a family go it's
our goal. So I'm over there trying to make a

(01:51:49):
better life for us, so trying to get off the tools,
trying to get off the roofs, and yeah, make something
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Well, you're making the steps towards that made it's it's
it's awesome to see. So tell us about the tell
us about the week to week of being a you know,
being a professional on the dark room. You know, do
you still do you still have to pinch me moments
or do you feel, look, I am I do belong
here now?

Speaker 13 (01:52:14):
To be fair, I always thought I belonged. Uh you
might ask me who's my favorite player, and I still
do say Gary Anderson until he's at the ockey with
me and there you know. But yeah, when when you
walk into the room, it's hard to have the same mindset.
Like in New Zealand, I walk into a room and
feel like, you know, I'm nine, I'm a good chance

(01:52:37):
of winning. But when you walk into the room over
there and you look to the left and there's Michael
Van going, and I look to the right and there's
you know, Littler and Humphreys and Peter right, you know,
it's it's that is a tough part. And and it's
even though the halls are packed with people, it's still
you know, I'm still over there by myself. It's relatively

(01:52:58):
learning at the same time. But yeah, it's just yeah,
just going away and small small steps to get better
and better. And it is looking. It's all we all
can't be little at learn and when everything that we
look at when we first get there. But as much
as we want to.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Be, he's just burst onto the scene has now. I
want to ask you a bit about him in a second.
But something you said there about you know, looking to
your left and see Michael van Go and looking to
your right and seeing, look littler who it might be.
But you still feel like, you know, there's no I
guess some you know, psychological being overawed by this. You're
still like, well, I'm here too, you know, it's just me.

(01:53:38):
It's me and my three darts on the board against
that bloke.

Speaker 13 (01:53:41):
Yeah. To be fair, when when I do play against
those types of guys, you know what you're in for,
so you know you have to play good. So those
sort of games I tend to play a bit better.
But it's the less known people, you know, like we think, oh,
I might have a chance here and then they have
one hundred and ten, so they're they're in the same

(01:54:02):
boat i'm and you know, they're thinking the same thing.
They don't know who I am. And it does get
a bit late.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Luke Littler, as I say, you know, I guess eighteen
months ago not many people would have heard of him,
but an incredible world championship of course, and now you know, know,
and across the world of darts and wider than that
as well. You've obviously had the chance to be in
the same space with him. Have you had much to
do with Luke Littler at all?

Speaker 13 (01:54:29):
Yeah, Well, so in the darling world, we're all known
who luck litter is. He's still be enough to play,
you know, the amateur tournaments and stuff like that. So
it's only you had to be sixteen to be a professional.
So he's probably been good enough to be on the
pro circuit since he was thirteen. So like he's been

(01:54:49):
winning for a long time. It's just the fact that
he turned sixteen and become a pro and now the
world can see him. We already knew who he was.
He beat us, He beat us up online like many
a times, so We didn't think he was going to
have that much of an impact, which is it's it's
been good, Like it's throughout the board, you know, with darts,

(01:55:09):
Hour's accessories, boards, just the hyper darts. He's brought a
lot of hype to our sport, which is good, and
the money has gone up everywhere. So he's been he's
been awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
For the game playing, we can work out like you
have been. Where have you seen the big improvements in
your game?

Speaker 13 (01:55:30):
Well, numbers don't mind the averages. You know, everything's on
Dark connect now, so the averages pretty much even just
mindset practice, like just seeing it going, like I practice
really really good, like half the time when I when
I my good game never comes out. It's just a

(01:55:53):
matter of time. Hopefully, hopefully it's going to be one
of the next two world series.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
So you can put it all together, you know, you
can let the numbers in practice. What what does it
take to to then convert that into into doing that
on the really big stages, just.

Speaker 13 (01:56:10):
Just doing it more and more, getting used to it.
They you know, the top guys in front of thousands
of people, like every week. I like, lower down the ranks,
we don't get to play all the time, so they're
playing week in week out. We were practicing. You have
to qualify, so for half of the events that they're playing,

(01:56:33):
and we we're like trying to qualified for them. So
there is a lot of downtime for me. So not
enough downtime that I can come home, but enough to
you know, three weeks in between some events for me,
whereas they're playing like every single week, and though even
have exhibitions with hundreds to thousands of people as well.

(01:56:58):
So it's just it looks so normal to them because
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Yeah, but it's a gap that you believe you can
bridge because as you say, I'm sure there's a lot
of guys sort of at your level. You talk about
the top guys and you've just outlined what their lives
are like. But there must be that level that you're
on where there are a lot of guys just you know,
just looking to make that step up. You believe you
can you can bridge that gap.

Speaker 13 (01:57:21):
I've had some good games one hundred, one hundred plus
averages and winning against like some of the best players
in the world. I still think but my practice has
still been really really good. It's still a matter of time,
but Yeah, it's just I don't know, it's a weird game.
It's a game of minimeters. When I backstage sometimes I

(01:57:44):
feel like I can't miss, and then you get on
stage and then you can't hit anything, and then and
then vice versa. I'll be backstage and can't have anything,
get on stage and win. You know, like it's just
a it's a very weird game. But they always say
the more you get comfortable about what's doing in it,
the more the results will come. Just keep running away,

(01:58:05):
black Phil Taylor. Just grind away and grind away.

Speaker 28 (01:58:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
Indeed, indeed, indeed he did. He's still you're still at
the same. Favorite doubles, any doubles, A good double.

Speaker 13 (01:58:19):
Where when when you're playing the best in the world
and you just hope to get a chance of a double.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
It's a really good way of looking at it, a
really good way of looking at it. Yeah, So just
to finish back home in Hamilton, you know it's you
must love that that home crowd. I mean, we obviously
watch it on television all of these big events around
the place, but you know, to get the chance to
see the likes of yourself and the other players, I
mean to pour up close. You must get a real
energy from a home crowd, do you.

Speaker 13 (01:58:44):
Yeah, it'll be good to not get booed and not
get whistled at this. I'm looking forward to that. The
European crowds and they're yeah, they're something else. There is
that right?

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
They let you have it.

Speaker 13 (01:59:02):
Especially if you like, especially the pro tours. When you're
playing the Euros, when you're playing in Germany against Germans,
you know you're inmper.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
It amazing And just to confirm.

Speaker 13 (01:59:15):
It is tough. When you listen back to it, you're like,
oh my god, that's really bad. But as part of
the game now you've got to have a thick, thick skin.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Now, absolutely, And just to confirm the tour card, so
to retain that, what do you have to do to
retain your tour card?

Speaker 13 (01:59:31):
So if you stay in the top sixty four and
the money moneyless and money rankings and stuff like that,
you can have a tour card forever.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
And so whereabouts are you in relation to that.

Speaker 13 (01:59:45):
I'm right at the bottom. I'm not at the bottom.
I'm about one hundred okay. So the rankings is a
two year cycle, so I'll do two years and then
if I'm inside the sixty four, then I wouldn't actually
go back. All right, that's one of the goals, right, so.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
Plenty of time for that. Then you already watched six
months and is that right?

Speaker 13 (02:00:04):
Yep, that's quick, that's correct, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
Well, I bet your family delighted to have you home,
Hope IY. So we can't wait to see you up
on the ocky at Hamilton in a couple of weeks time.
Thanks for taking the time for a chat. No, thanks
for having me, Thanks for joining us, Hope, I hope,
I pooh our number one darts player. Not a couple
of weeks this coming week Friday Saturday at Globbox Arena

(02:00:27):
in Hamilton, the New Zealand Darts Masters sell some tickets available.
I understand. Thank you for all your texts. The answer
is one hundred and eighty. Of course, the high score
you can get with three darts. Some people took it
literally and said, well, the high school I can get
with three darts is about fourteen. I enjoyed your originality there,
and we have picked out one or out. I should
have actually mentioned at the start we can't get you

(02:00:48):
to Hamilton. You need to get there under your own steam.
I'm sure people realized that when I didn't mention Airfair's
accommodation and such like. It's just the tickets. So hopefully
our winner, Christine can get there. Christine, we've drawn you
out and he's going to be in touch and let
you know how those tickets can get to your place
and you can get along to watch the Hamilton Darts
Masters on Friday night at Globbox Arena and Hamilton. What

(02:01:12):
are we nine and a half away from?

Speaker 39 (02:01:13):
Three back after this analyzing every view from every angle
in the sporting world Weekends for it with Jason vine
Call and eighty News Talks eNB six.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
To three just before we hand it over to the
Weekend Collective. Tonight is the final night of competition at
the Olympic Games and our main focus is at the Vlodrome.
We do have Camille French though, in the women's marathon
that gets underway at six o'clock tonight New Zealand time,
and then we're off to the track. Alie Wallaston taking
part in the women's omnium. Sam Daykon is in the men's.

(02:01:46):
Karen Elise Andrews is in the women's sprint. So Ellie
Williston from nine, Sam Dakin from nine twenty nine, Elise
Andrews from nine fifty. That is when you can watch
them in action and listen to them action on gold
Sport via iHeartRadio. That's where we will be for the
sixteenth and final time as we bring you the final

(02:02:10):
day of competition at the Paris Olympic Games. Thanks so
much for listening in this afternoon. It's been great fun
chatting to you both about the Olympics, the All Blacks
and everything else in between. Huge thanks to Andy McDonald
for pulling together the show today and yesterday too. We're
working through a bunch of different time zones at the moment,
so it's a little bit challenging, but thanks mate, terrific
heavy lifting from you, and thanks indeed to you for

(02:02:32):
listening in as well. It's been a privilege as always
to bring the radio show to you next weekend. I
presume anyway, I'm having a guess here, the show will
come to you from Eden Park next Saturday for the
All Blacks against Argentina. Were secured that commentary position? Have
we for the show? Andy?

Speaker 13 (02:02:48):
I hope? So all right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
I haven't put any work in behind the scenes, so
that I never put it. No y, Actually, I tell
a lie.

Speaker 12 (02:02:53):
I always put in the work.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
I'll get it sordered for you finding it. Thank you Andrew.
Wonderful stuff. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon song to
go out. I loved all the gold medals overnight. I
love Dame Lisa, love Lydia Cove, but I think most
of all I loved Hamish Curve leaping into our sporting history.
This was another breakdancing one. You can if you you can,
you can call it that if you like. I certainly
I'm not giving a nod to B Gills and B

(02:03:17):
Gills and boys from the boom Box, from the boombox,
the ghetto blaster. Now this is simply titled Jump by
Criss Cross. We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow night.

Speaker 8 (02:03:28):
Till you see then.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
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