Full Show Podcast: 18 August 2024

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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Be All Blacks good without what aiden Park?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Border line from Elliott Smith and what a response from
the All Blacks forty two to ten winners last night
thirty five to three at half time emphatic ruthless a
statement reaction to defeat last weekend in Wellington. All Black's
assistant coach Scott Hansen standing by to chat with us shortly,
very keen to hear your feedback on what you saw
last night. Lines and immediately and right across the afternoon

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Try scoring sensation. Caitlin Vaha Collel is with us after two,
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us to discuss that the new Premier League seasons underweight.
We'll get you to the UK on that with Tom
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Heaps of Live Sport to keep an eye on this afternoon.

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up against North Harbor Todonga five past two, Wellington Taranaki
potty doer at the same time, and the Fara Palmer Cup,
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Canterbury take on Way Cuttle in christ Church from five
past two and Chatham Cup Football semi finals this afternoon
Coastal Spirit against Wellington Olympic and christ Church from one.

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Auckland City up against Birkenhead and Auckland from two. Will
keep eyes on all of that for you as well.
The show is yours though to add two if you
would like to very keen to get your thoughts on
a bunch of stuff this afternoon, particularly last night at
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Speaker 3 (03:30):
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Speaker 2 (03:39):
Pack Fine five, All Blacks forty two, Argentina ten. Let's
bring in All Black's assistant coach, Scott Hansen. Scott, thanks
for taking our call this afternoon. How much of what
we saw last night was a response to what happened
last weekend in Wellington.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
The response we talked around was the detail and the
execution that we needed and the lessons that we took
from the first tense. We also talked around the response
needs to last more than one test. So really happy
with our performance last night, in particular the first half.
Still things to work on and we'll continue that mindset

(04:15):
around building our game.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Sam Kaine said afterwards. The first half was a clinic.
Did you feel that first forty minutes coming pre game.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Well, we owned our weak around what it looked like
in our exit and our execution.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
There variation in our.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Kit game allowed us to move the ball differently, which
got us in the front pop. I thought our effort
both on and off the ball from the group we're outstanding.
And what that led to, Jason was good kick pressure
and we built some nice pressure cycles which allowed us
to get down the right here of the field, and
then our set piece gave us what we needed in
regards to a quality ball we were able to play

(04:58):
on top.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
How strongly did you demand physicality from the team last night.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, well it's one to have the coaches ask for it,
but just as importantly as the players demanding.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Out of each other.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
And what happened last night was with the weather coming
in and just when you know you're playing in the rain,
what it did for us early was really focuses in
around a curry height and also our defensive tackle levels,
so we were low and aggressive on both sides. And
that's a great example of us just turning our mindset

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at where we need to be and just watching in
a game again this morning, Jason, our physicality and the carry,
our height and our cleans was far better and it
really was all black standard.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Many of the players postmatch talked about simplifying things, but
rugby can be a complex game with lots of moving parts.
How do you simplify a game of rugby effectively?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Focus on your care rolls around what it looks like
to exit your half, on your tombs, create that variation,
and then the simplicity of playing what's in front. The
defense is always going to give us pictures to attack,
and it's about us looking and engaging around it and
playing what's in front. What we did really well last

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night was put the ball behind Asente there and could
kick pressure on them and then our skill sets in
wet where what we should expect of each other around
working into the ball, and they were the simple things
done well.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
What is that it's run pass kick?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Why do you think it was a bit harder to
assert the same dominance after halftime?

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, good question, and we'll be asking the group that
around where we were.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
We spoke at halftime.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Around resetting our game coming out and keeping the pressure
on Agentina body, putting up behind them, playing in the
right area of the field and then using our skill sets.
We didn't quite get that right at times got caught
in the middle of the field. So we definitely sit
down as a group and work through how it can
be better to there coming off the bench impact players,

(07:11):
how it can set them up better around what that
looks like in that game. So there's some good conversations
there and again the leaders will drive that you work.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Very closely with the halfbacks in the first fives. How
did you assess the week of TJ Petanata and his
performance last night after a challenging outing in Wellington.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, I think that's a fair fair Christian Jason around.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
You know, there was some a.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Leens put on TJ, especially the first test around how
we got out of our corners around our kick game,
and what we addressed during the week was our rock.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
The ability to protect him better.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
So give TJ some more options to move the ball
and kick it out of dmax hands or bodies and
we used that well. TJ led the week very well
around that execution. He was really clear on his role
and just watching his game again this morning, I.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
Thought, as if it's on and off fur outstanding, it.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Was has best around his competitive nature and real please
film around what that looked like an attack with the
offload down the edge world Tourden's game and then telling
us for TJ to back that up now and continue
to lead.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, I wouldn't have come as a surprise though what
his reaction to last week. He's very level, isn't he?
And it's been around for a while now.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
I was.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I was personally delighted for him, But you wouldn't have
been surprised by the reaction you got from TJ, were
you now?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
And I'm surprised at all. He's a competitor, he's a
proud all Black. We didn't quite get it right, and
with ties match rugby, you know it's one or two percent.
If you don't get it right on the evening, it
can cost you and test match level, especially at the
moment around the world seems are pretty even around where
are out in the game, and if you're one or
two percent off, it can catch her, and especially when

(09:01):
you're not getting out of your half when your terms.
Last night we showed when we were better there what
it did for a game. Again, TJ led that I'm
not surprised at all by the response from TJ's he's
a warrior. I was really pleased for him and his performance.
But also in the background, Jason, the way he's leading

(09:21):
our young nines and sharing his experience, and Cortez and
are both riding his tail pushing him. So the game
from TJ was really pleasing for all of us.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
One out to first five. How have you assessed Damien
McKenzie's development across the first five tests of the year
at verse five.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, I thought last night he was immature and how
he kept the ball in front of us, he was
a lot clear around what that looked like. He chose
his moments when influenced the game around his running game.
If you look at the subtlety that he had also
around his kit game, to the edges and the like,
I think he can be really pleased with his performance
last night as a test match ten and pretty challenging conditions.

(10:05):
So are really happy for him. Body Barrett's giving him
great force outside too to allow him to see the
field and give them solutions. So those two are working
very well together and again happy for iMac and the
continue their growth. And there's Keay management and we're seeing

(10:25):
some really good subtle changes around how he leads this
well being down.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
The field and just to finish, how important was it
to put out that sort of performance before you hop
on the plane for two big test matches in South Africa.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, massive opportunity to get over there. Just watching South Africa,
they've been the last fourtiest, they've been very very good
in their attack. Obviously there's set preecets, so there's will
be a massive challenge for us over there.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
We're looking forward to it.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, we'll step right towards that vines with our game
and what that looks like. A testaments rugby, as we
see on the night, can come down the moment, so
we've got to earn some of those for outset place
and what that looks like.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
We're looking forward to getting on the plane.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
You're looking forward to a couple of days off first, Yeah,
a couple of.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Days off, get home with the family. We spoke to
them was last night around get home to your loved
ones and ull your time at home, keep yourself set
for what's going to be a massive challenge over there. Yeah,
we're looking forward to getting home and reconnecting with our
loved ones.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I bet congrats on the result and the performance last night, Scott,
great to chat as always. Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, thanks, Jess, appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I appreciate your time, Scott. Thanks indeed, Scott Hanson that
All Black's assistant coach. You've given this game the overnight test.
You've probably maybe watched a hope and some highlights the
replay this morning, read some match reports, some analysis, trawled
through a bit of online reaction. Time for your thoughts now,
oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty that first half.
Sam Kane called it a clinic afterwards, and that's a

(11:55):
pretty pretty good description. Everything the All Blacks did in
that first forty was pretty much perfect and fairly challenging
conditions at times. It was pretty wet at kickoff. It
did ease off the for large parts of the game,
but even so it was the execution of skills in
challenging conditions from the All Blacks in the first half
was rarely impressive. To their immense credit, the Pumas regrouped

(12:18):
at half time and were much more competitive after the break.
Second half score was seven all, but the damage was
done by an utterly brilliant first half TJ Pedinada. It
would appear that rumors of his imminent demise have been
somewhat exaggerated. Tremendous last night, what a response to what
was a challenging evening in Wellington, and that run and

(12:39):
passed for Will Jordan's first try sublime, his awareness to
see the opportunity that little looked to the left and
then darting down the blind side, the skill to execute abit.
He slept pretty well last night. Ethan Blackadder, absolutely terrific.
Twenty tackles last night. He was still tackling in the
eighty third minute at forty two ten ahead, the kind

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of workhorse performance that epitomizes his approach to the game.
Plenty of nigglers were from Ethan black Adder. He and
Thomas love and and he had plenty to say to
one another, but only only during the eighty minutes. They're
all good buggers.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
I hate it at times on there, but have a
laugh from the yarn after. It's great.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's Ethan Blake had a huge shift from him. And
it seems almost repetitive to mention Ardie Savier, but we
have to rarely just exceptional. Yet again, the stats only
tell some of the story, but here they are. Eighteen
carries five defenders beaten another try. That's twenty seven and
Test matches now for Ardie Savier a level with Richie

(13:38):
mccare as our highest try scoring Test forward. He also
gave the final pass to Caleb Clark for his try
and on the other side of the ball twelve tackle,
twelve tackles and no miss tackles. He's to Mighty Williams
talking about Ardie Savier afterwards.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
Ardie just the minor of physical dominance and I guess
it's easy to prepare when that's all you get us
to do.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
So yeah, I'm the leader's lead and we'll just follow them.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And Artie himself said exactly the same thing. It starts
with myself as a leading the start of our leaders.

Speaker 9 (14:07):
We need to step forward and lead and let the
boys follow us.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Let the boys follow us. Imagine having Ardie Savier as
the guy to follow. He'd run for a brick wall,
wouldn't you, and then be looking for another one. Your
takeaways from last night, anything that stood out to you players?
You want to talk about how confident you feel now
ahead of the South African Tests in a couple of weeks.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty ninet two ninety two
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
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be aline there if you want to jump aboard though
and give us your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Text here from Henry. I was very critical of the
All Blacks last week, but boy what a performance in
the first half, and saying that Argentina were off but
probably due to the All Blacks being so good. Yeah,
I think that was it. I just think the first
half was just the personification of what the All Blacks
can do to you, you know, in the blink of
an eye or in the blink of forty minutes, a
game completely taken away from the Pumas by that first

(15:15):
half performance, just the execution of the skills. It was
very wet. Yeah, I mean you could probably see that
if you were there, you'll know it that even though
the rain stopped for large parts of the game, the
ground was very greasy. It was raining all day in
Auckland yesterday. And to be able to execute some of
the stuff that they did under pressure and with such

(15:36):
accuracy while needing to also make sure that they simplified things,
I thought was really impressive from the All Blacks last night.
Ethan Blackada, I mentioned to him or mentioned him before
and spoke to him briefly after the game, just to
check in on how he was after his herculean effort. Yeah,
it was great, mate.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
We wanted to start well and I thought we did that,
and we just we exited a lot better this week
than last week, and it made a huge difference.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
How much of tonight, particularly the first half, was a
response to l week and the things that you really
wanted to improve on.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
Yeah, so, like I just said, the exit, we wanted
to sort that out and we did so that was
a massive positive.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
And then we just wanted a connect on.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
Our cackchase and not let them get where half breaks
and just keep the heat on them.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
What about the physicality, I mean, it's almost a non
negotiable for the All Blacks, but tonight it just seemed
to go up another level. Are you proud of the
physicality you brought both sides of the book?

Speaker 7 (16:29):
Yeah, yeah mate, So Argie they played a bit tired
of tonight. Lots of close caris near the ruck so
we had to bar up to stop the bleeding there
and we did at times and it was pleasing.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
You acquainted yourself with a couple of the players, Thomas Lavinia,
so you're talking to him at the end. They're inviting
him for a BN next time he's in Canterbury.

Speaker 10 (16:44):
No doubt.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yeah, mate, they're all good buggers. It's heated at times
on there, but have a laugh and the yarn after
it's great.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's Ethan Black at it after a performance from hamiwhich
I think he probably needed to provide. There's been a
bit to talk about the loose forwards and what they
are bringing as a combination and as individuals, and I
think Ethan Black out of last night just just just
did what he does for the Crusaders. Really, he's been
in and out has he with injury lately? And yeah,

(17:14):
I was just just really impressed with particularly near the
end where the results beyond doubt. Right once it's once
you're into you know, the eighty second minute, you know
you know the results beyond doubt. And yet Ethan Blackadder
was still making tackles deep into added time. So that
says a lot about his mentality and the way he
plays the game. And again it shouldn't be a surprise,

(17:35):
that's just what he does. But but yeah, I was
just utterly impressed with him. Guy says, why do we
need a response? Have to lose one to win one?
What if we lose the first one in Africa? Why
don't we just play properly? I think, I think, guy,
the look, you can't. You can't win every game, but

(17:58):
when you do lose a game, as the All Blacks,
our response is important. And down the years through history,
what the All Blacks have shown, through a combination of
coaches and players is an ability to bounce back. I
said this yesterday. Very rarely do the All Blacks lose
twice in a row at home to the same opposition,
and that's three times now that they've lost to Argentina,

(18:20):
once in Parramatta and twice here in New Zealand. Where
the bounce back performance has been emphatic when they lost
to the Pumas for the first time ever in twenty twenty.
Two weeks later they won thirty eight nil against the
same opposition two years ago when the Pumas won in
christ Church, the All Blacks won fifty three to three
in Hamilton the following week, and again this time I

(18:42):
lost last week and a bounce back to the tune
of forty two to ten. Text here, It's a shame
it took a shocking performance last week to play like
the All Blacks did last night. It wouldn't be sweeping
that under the carpet too soon. Well, I think what
last night did was helped to sweep it, didn't it. Yes,
you can look at last night and say, well, why

(19:03):
did it need the week before to produce? But the
All Blacks can only do can only play the next game,
can't they. It's not as though they can. It's not
as though they can continue to revisit a game from
now a couple of tests ago. Yes they take their
lessons from it. Yes they probably use it as a

(19:25):
frame of reference, but there's no need I don't think
now to talk about Argentina and Wellington anymore, as there
a couple of text through here talk about the referee,
and I concur with both of the sentiment. Maris is,
I'd like to congratulate the referee on the way here
fish out of the game allowing it to flow. Another
one here from Lyn Pinty, the ref deserves praise. I

(19:46):
thought the ref was terrific last night, really really good
for a guy who hasn't refereed at the top level
a lot. That was his first rugby championship game. I
thought he was good. Grant takeaways for you.

Speaker 11 (19:58):
Yeah, pioneer, I'm still here. I'm still here, just not
risking over exposure, but I'm still here. Carry on. Yeah, Well,
everyone played pretty well, I thought. I mean, what an
absolute cracker for TJ had Well. I mean, I won't
go through the whole team, because really everyone played well.

(20:23):
They did what I'm sure they weren't listening to me
a while ago, but keeping even owing for the conditions,
keeping the ball as much as possible in hand, and
it was to me it was very interesting that okay
later in the game because of the school where he
was able to make lots of different changes and all there,

(20:46):
but they checked a lot maybe in the last sort
of ten minutes and we didn't score. So yeah, anyway,
anything else you want to ask me.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
No, no, no. You make a good point about keeping
the ball in hand, run and they did in the
first half. I think, you know, having a thirty was
it thirty five three lead at halftime just brought them
the freedom to pretty much do whatever they wanted in
the second half, just closed the game down. I'm sure
they would have liked to score more tries. Of course
they would have. Who wouldn't want to score more tries?
But yeah, the fact that they were so dominant in

(21:23):
the first half just allowed them, I guess, the freedom,
as I say, to kind of write their own script
for the second if that makes sense. Twenty nine away
from one. I spoke to TJ pet and Ada after
the game too. Very briefly, it.

Speaker 12 (21:40):
Was good boys, boys come out firing, we were fighting,
simplified a bunch of our games tonight and Dave the boys,
you know, some clear tasks out there, and it was.

Speaker 9 (21:50):
Good Man for a big portion of that first half.

Speaker 12 (21:52):
I thought we were in control. Boys of physical and
against a good art attend the inside.

Speaker 9 (21:56):
I think we bounce bat well.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Was it a tough week after Wellington, it was a
normal week.

Speaker 12 (22:04):
If I'm being completely honest with you, I know media
and I guess outside noise, we write it up because
it's entertainment and it's a story, and I get it.
But for us, all for me personally, regardless of this
one without lost last week, my approach to a weed
is the same. I'm trying to get better and I'm
trying to be the best player I.

Speaker 9 (22:22):
Can be, regardless of results. So I guess from.

Speaker 12 (22:25):
An outside perspective year it might have been a little
bit different, but internally we try and treat things very
much the same.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
And Will Jordan's first try set up by you the snipe,
just like rolling back the years. I loved it, mate.
What did you see when you what Pixius? Did you
see in your head?

Speaker 12 (22:39):
Well, they had a prop on the side of a
war there, and with the new laws he can't actually
influence a tackle, so that that's something we sort of
looked at throughout our week.

Speaker 9 (22:48):
And then having Will Jordan there bowing for a ball,
it is always it's always a good option. He knows
how to.

Speaker 12 (22:54):
Finish a try and and he did very well today.
He ends up scoring another one later in the piece.
But he's a good football player.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Man, he has a good football player. Will Jordan, he will,
I think, almost inevitably break the All Blacks Trice scoring record.
Now it just seems like that's just a fight of
complete Doug Hallett's forty nine Test tries. Others have kind
of threatened over the years to do that. Rico your won,
Julian Savia had pointed out to me by Elliot Smith
A Boden Barrett now has forty four Test tries. He

(23:21):
might get there before Will Jordan. But if Jordan continues
in the way he is with a try a test,
then it won't be too much longer before he has
that record. Hello Dean, hell is.

Speaker 13 (23:33):
Their pony look thrilled me with their exiting from when
they kickoffs. You know when the opposing teen agent and
he kicked off the way that McKenzie made sure it
went straight to the touch. I caught every one of
them and also there was no kicking over the top
inside they're own twenty five and giving me the opposite

(23:54):
team the ball back which are absolutely the test.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
The box, the box.

Speaker 13 (24:02):
I cannot believe that they continued to that, especially you
see Astralia, they had Australian fallback what's his name, the
quick one. He never misses the ball and they always
run it back at you in an Ireland of course,
when they were out here, that's how they beat us.
We kicked it back to them and they said thank you,
and then they can in our line and scored. Yeah,

(24:24):
but that's what I was thrilled about. But the whole game.
I mean, I was in Rugby heaven last night. I've
had two heavens. I've come out of church this morning,
so I've had two heavens. Piny, I'm really blessed.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Brilliant Dean. I'm please, you've had a good eighteen hours
or so. My friend, Yeah, it was like I don't
think you could say it was heavenly Rugby necessarily from
the All Blacks last night, not across the eighty minutes. Anyway.
I've had a couple of people say, well, why are
you glorifying a substandard performance in the second half. I
don't think I am. I tend to focus on the

(24:56):
positive most of the time, and I thought what they
did in the first half last night was terrific. I
think you can be impressed with it. Was anybody not
impressed at halftime. Yes, of course they would have, as
I say, like to have scored more in the second half,
you know, increase the scoreline. Scott Hansen said himself. You know,
we need to look at what happens in the second

(25:16):
half and you know, take our lessons from that and
they will. But I feel like we're very much drinking
from a half empty glass, aren't we if we focus
on the second half. I think we are allowed, aren't
we to look at the first half and say, you
know what, terrific easily the best half of football Undercott
Robertson by quite some distance, and a glimpse for us

(25:40):
across that forty minutes of the way he wants his
team to play. King to chat to you about it
if you look, if you if you would prefer to
pick up on some things which you were less impressed with,
then look, happy days. We're always open to all sorts
of opinions on the show. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. The invitation is there?

Speaker 14 (25:58):
Hello, Phil, oh, hello Pony. Yeah, okay, I'm good, yeah, excellent, excellent, Okay,
I'll get into it. I do want to touch on
the second half, but there wasn't anything that I wasn't
disappointed with, you know, when you said just that there
was anything you were disappointed that, there wasn't anything on

(26:19):
the whole that I wasn't disappointed with.

Speaker 15 (26:20):
But I thought.

Speaker 14 (26:23):
Fantastic that first half. They come out so strong right
from the word go, and a couple of interesting things
that I think it was Glori Mains you might have
had on your show, or I heard him say he
was a bit bit puzzled about TJB and picked again,
you know, because of the first performance. But then I

(26:44):
think I heard John Kirwin say that maybe there was
an all black thing, an old school all black thinking,
where you give a guy a second chance. You know
you've don't go so well the first time, then you
give him a second chance, and then you look at
it two bad performances. So maybe that was the thinking

(27:05):
behind it was Scott Robin and since he would be
an old school kind of thinking, all black type thinking,
you know. And boy did that payoff because TJ was
fantastic last night. And the other thing another thing was
too like I remember years ago somebody said you can
watch how get an indication of gauge of where the
all Black's head are at in their physical physicality, and

(27:28):
now it's going to come to play, so to speak,
and play hard and man up. When if you watch
him doing the harker and you look at some of
the faces, and I looked at Sam Kaine's face last
night when he was doing the Harker, and I could
see in his eys and his face just written because
I thought, yeah, yeah, these boys they're in for it today.
They've come up for a game, and right from the

(27:50):
go they came out like gladiators. So there was those
sort of two points. And also I was so glad
not to see the fifty to fifty giveaway kick that
I call that stupid box kick that I'm that I
don't like either, you know, because most of the time
you're just given the ball all the way to the opposition,
you know, and letting have run it.

Speaker 13 (28:09):
Yees.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah. Look when I saw them box kick a couple
of times last night, Phil, but I thought it was
so much more accurate. I thought the the elevation on
the kicks was a lot better, the chase was a
lot better. There were very few instances last night, and yes,
they box kicked less than they have in the past.
There were very few though went up that were uncontested.
I think that's the one that frustrates us, the uncontested
box kick, because then you are just giving it back.

(28:32):
But I was watching the likes of Caleb Clark and
Will Jordan and Jordi Barrett contesting box kicks and I thought, okay,
that's better. You can see what they're trying to do.
And it was the elevation of the kick as well
the height that TJ was getting on them, which was
impressive too. Thanks for your call, Phil. Hello Tom, How
are you good?

Speaker 13 (28:51):
Tom?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Very good?

Speaker 16 (28:52):
Thanks mate, you're good good?

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, No, I run you.

Speaker 16 (28:54):
David McKenzie, mister Dame mckensei facebook page.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Oh yeah, I know the one, mate, I know the
one you you're building. You're building building an audience like
like no other. Mate. It's a great page.

Speaker 16 (29:05):
Yeah, I appreciate it. No, I really really appreciate it.
No real stoke about the game last night. You can
see the intent the boys had there, the fad, the
form for the boys to do their work. Obviously, you
could see, honestly a clear change of game plan from
last week. You saw d Matt putting the ball in
front of the forwards. Not none of this contestable in

(29:28):
the big with the selection on the wingers. We had
taller wingers out there as well, so when we did contest,
I think there was a bit more intent and ability
to do work in that sage. So no, really, please,
with the effort out there, you could just see Yeah, no,
the boys really came to playoffs night.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
So yeah, I hope it cares on. You're just breaking
up a little bit, Tom, but please stay with me, Ma,
because I just want to ask you about Damien McKenzie.
Across the five tests that he's played, he's had you know,
he's been handed the five starts, you know, And I've
said that a couple of times. I really like the
fact that they've said to him, right, you've got that jersey.
They've clearly said him like you're a ound number ten
at least for half a dozen test matches, because I

(30:10):
think of starting the first Test against South Africa as well.
What have you made of him across the I mean,
I know you're a bit biased, but what have you
made of him across the first five tests?

Speaker 10 (30:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (30:18):
No, it's it's obviously been. It's a work in progress
for Demac. You know, he's he's played I think he's
played nine tests now and he's won all and near
nine tests and he's won eight or something like that.
So he's had a good first of it. You know.
He obviously had that thing last week and it wasn't pretty,
was it?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
You know?

Speaker 16 (30:36):
But no, I think I think he's had a good
fest of it. He's looking really good last night, I
don't think.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (30:42):
You obviously had gained pretty well as well. But how
many times have we seen a ten go out there
and an international pressure cooker and in the wet and
the bucketing wet and put on a performance like that,
you know, six out of six kicks try as to
try pretty. It was pretty special. No, I'm stoked. I'm
stoked for Damien, stoked for the boys, and I just

(31:05):
wish if we can see so like that at Alice part. Okay, yeah, it'll.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Bit absolutely brilliant. Hey, so just give us the official
name of your Facebook page, mate, want to get you
some more followers?

Speaker 16 (31:17):
I missed off Damien McKenzie. I've got about fifteen thousand
followers at the moment, post regularly every day and yeah,
we've got a real good, real good chet going on.
There a lot of debate what a real good rugby
talk and ban to the elite.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
So join it up, love it mate, love it time.
Callbeck anytime, mate, Good to Chet you mate, always take
it easy. Myth of Damien McKenzie. Great Facebook page. Yeah,
check it out. Nineteen away from one. I've got to
get a breakaway Stephen, please hold there with you right after.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
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eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
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Speaker 3 (31:58):
I voted Parretts lovely part lovely try.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Voted for the twenty.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Two twelve forty four just one of the tries on
the first half last night, Steven, thanks for holding mate,
How are you?

Speaker 10 (32:09):
Yeah good?

Speaker 17 (32:10):
Thank you Pony, just the observation.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Really.

Speaker 17 (32:13):
I got home in time to watch the game on Telly,
which was a plan and I live in Auckland. It
was absolutely freezing. It was also it was pouring down,
I mean really heavy rain, and I watched I watched
the players come onto the field and they got soaked

(32:33):
from the time they walked out of the tunnel to
the time that they ended the Harker was probably about
six or seven minutes, and all the reserves were absolutely
drenched and it was freezing cold. So they then they
went and sat down and had a jacket put on
them or a coat. But I've seen soldiers within sixty

(32:55):
minutes to come to hypothermia, and so there's real danger
that those guys sitting down soaked like that could actually struggle.
And you know, they would get up and have a
bit of a run, but that wouldn't do much. At halftime,
hopefully they may have been able to change for a wet,

(33:15):
cold jersey to These are the reserves I'm talking about,
but some of them wouldn't have got on the field
for fifty sixty minutes, and so it's potentially quite dangerous
and at zero degrees which it was last night, to
be that wet.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, I think they give them big jackets to wear,
but I mean that's just going over the top of
wet clothing, isn't it. So yeah, and you're right, there
is a lot that goes on before the whistle blows
to start the game. You know, once we get as
you say, once we get through, they walk out. They
have the anthems, we have the hardker. So yeah, you
are six or seven minutes of standing in the pouring rain.

(33:49):
You wouldn't do it ordinarily, would just taven. You wouldn't
go out there and stand in the rain for six
or seven minutes and then come back inside and not
draw yourself off. So yeah, it's an interesting point you make.
They seem to go okay when they came on though.

Speaker 17 (34:01):
Yeah, I agree, they always will, but potentially last night temperature,
in that extreme weather, there is an opportunity for hypothermia.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Let's hope it never happens, Stephen, But it's a good
point you make. Thanks for holding and thanks for calling mate.
Good to chat to you. The referee, I should call
him by his name rather say the referee, the Italian
Andrea Padi really good last night. The referee was brilliant,
says Garrick, only thirty two years old. I thought he
had a really good game. And the only reason, you know,
normally it's when you talk about the referee that he's
had a bad game. We're only talking about him because

(34:33):
I thought he was very very good.

Speaker 18 (34:35):
Dallas, Hi, Well, I'm glad you didn't get hypothermia, biney
and all the flu.

Speaker 15 (34:41):
So that's good.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
No, I don't want to think I have made unless
it's been delayed, Dallas and I and I come down
with a dose of it tomorrow. I feel okay today.

Speaker 18 (34:47):
Yeah, you're found good now about this kicking versus keeping
the born hand the modern philosophy in rugby, it's a
territory game. You try and play the game and in
the opposite half. That means you kick, and you try
and you trust your defense. You kick it and then
you trusted the sense to follow up and keep them

(35:08):
pens on their half. And that's the traditional that's the
modern thinking. But when it comes to the all backs,
our strengths there's always been passing, running and speed of
path and speed on the outside so and being able
to score from anywhere on the field. So I'm glad
we're getting back to that philosophy.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I am so. I just loved Caleb's Clark Caleb
Clark's try last night, Dallas. You know, quick, quick ball
through the hands, the last pass from Artie Savier to
Caleb Clark. Similarly the little past from TJ to Will Jordan. Yeah,
just the nature of the tries. Yes there was a
there was Artie's kind of pushover as well, but yeah,
I agree that the allbacks look at their best when

(35:52):
they're running with the ball in their hands, you know.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Good on you dellis good to chat mate, and thanks
for inquiring about my health too. I was sidelined last night.
I have to say it actually stopped raining a round
about kickoff. I had the hood up. That's that was
my indicator. Hit the hood up for about ten to
fifteen minutes and then it was okay after that. And anyway,
she wasn't that cold Richard high.

Speaker 19 (36:15):
Mate, Yeah, goodness, piny Hale. Of course, awesome game last night.
The All Blacks were absolutely on fire. PJ just had
a great performance. Yes, so great to see. But I
just wanted to talk a little bit about the record
of Eden Park and call out a bit of an
unsung here. I reckon think about the conditions last night
and as the scrums were packed down Engli, it wasn't

(36:37):
a later grass that was shifting underfoot. The pace of
the game. All the handing was a bit slippery, but
nobody slipped over. So whatever those guys are doing to
that turf, I reckon there's a lot to do with
helping the All Blacks play on home ground. There a
fastyle of rugby and I think it called out to
the turf managers there. I think it was the ground
was as much of a star as a rugby great point.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, especially with so much rain, Richard, you know, and
I know they've got their scientific ways of making sure
that it stays firm, but yeah, there were a couple
of reset scrums, but nothing really. You're right. I remember
walking cross afterwards to do the postmatch interviews and looking
down at the turf and you think, well, for eighty
minutes a rug beyond that, having poured down with rain
for most of the day up until kickoff, you'd expected
to be cut up a bit, but you're right it wasn't.

Speaker 19 (37:18):
Yeah, and they had a fifty range fifty game streak.
There's something in that ground and I put it down
to no sport that tooth manager.

Speaker 20 (37:24):
I can't remember his name.

Speaker 19 (37:25):
I think it's Blair maybe, but yeah, taheaps off so
but awesome, awesome game abs and keep that up and
looking forward to the box.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Ah me too, Richard, thanks mate, looking forward to the
box more than the box kick, but if it's contested,
we're fine with it. If it's contested, we're fine. I
had had a text about that before by Dave. Dave,
the box kick Jason is one of the best attacking
weapons in rugby, has been for over one hundred years.
But to work, it needs a pack of forwards on
their feet bound driving forward to get the whole team

(37:55):
on the front foot. Dave, that's what we had last night.
What's the old cliche It all starts up front and
the All Blacks establishing dominance up front last night was
a huge part of set in the platform for TJ
and for Damien McKenzie to do what they did. They
had impressive games, largely due to the guys in the
lower number jerseys nine to one used talks their b

(38:16):
back in a.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Mote sue from the track fields and the court on
your homeless sport, we sport where's Jason Vine and used talks.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
MBU mackenzie has it now? Mackenzie pot part on the
their pan Zhipridy sair draw perss Pana popa try with Horner.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I enjoyed that one from Caleb Clark six to one,
We'll open the lines again after one o'clock. Couldn't get
everybody on the air, but we'll try again after one.
Scott Robertson has had his media conference this morning as well.
We'll play some of the pertinent bits of that, mainly
looking forward actually to what lies next for the All
Black Speaking of which Jamie says, Jason good performance. I
see the All Blacks splitting the games in South Africa

(38:58):
for the following reasons. Test one, Joe Berg hard and
fast track, the All Blacks first Test since the World
Cup final Alice Park will be a cauldron. Motivation will
be off the scale, So the All Blacks to win
that one test too, says Jamie. And Newland's bounced back
from the box and reaction to what happens at Ellis
Park softer ground and conditions. Jamie, I reckon if they

(39:18):
come home with a win and a loss. While they'd
never say it, I think they'll be relatively satisfied with that.
You look at how South Africa are playing at the moment.
Again last night they were I mean it wasn't as
convincing as the first Test against Australia, but untroubled really
South Africa last night. They'll go back to the Republic
and they are the best team going around at the moment.

(39:41):
It'll be a great gauge on where the All Blacks
actually are. They absolutely needed last night though, before they
hop on that plane, Tom says, Jason, what do you
think of the talaya mackenzie sub called Damien was on fire?
I thought it seemed a bit nuts to subham Tom.
I wonder whether they just wanted to have a look
at Will Jordan at fallback, because when Damien McKenzie went off,

(40:06):
Boden Barrett came into first five and Will Jordan went
back to fall back, and I just wonder whether they
wanted to have a bit of a look at that.
Not that Scott Robertson really needs to check out Will
Jordan at fullback. He knows all about him from his
days at the Crusaders. That's about the only position Razor
rev who played Will Jordan and at the Crusaders, if ever,
rarely have ever thought that I can remember I played

(40:27):
him on the wing, so he knows all about him.
But yeah, I just wonder whether they want to have
a look at that at Will Jordan at fullback. I
think it's Damian McKenzie's best Test of the year. His
kicking was good. Did you notice that the shot clock Now,
I thought the shot clock conversion the shot clock for
a conversion was ninety seconds, and I've checked a bit
this morning and it has always been ninety seconds up

(40:49):
until the Rugby Championship. It's ninety seconds for a conversion
and sixty seconds for a penalty. Last night it was
sixty seconds for a conversion as well, which I've since
found out is actually the rule now in the Rugby Championship.
And yet Dee Mack, who has been troubled by the
shop clock in the past in Dunedin when it ran

(41:10):
out on him, kicked six from six and didn't seem
unduly concerned. Really the clock was counting down on him,
but he nailed them all News next it won them
back with more.

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Last hour oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty to
come in on the rugby forty take your.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Kick over the top end of the end goal. No
one's tone for Gentina forsting the Endal damien a Cantina
try lovely bounce for the All Blacks number ten.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, bit of innovation for the first try last night,
little kick over the top. There was one earlier as
well that that Artie Savier grabbed. Did you see Ardie
Savia bump that off, not once but twice? Just the
absolute boomfa. He had the balls down in the as
you watch on TV, the far side in the right
wing quarter, and he caught it and just went into
that bloke And then the guy got big up again

(43:20):
and Artie ran into him again. It was like a
game of scrag or something in the school yard.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Terrific again from Ardie sav last night, he said, or
actually to Mighty William said afterwards, Ardie demanded physicality from us,
and the best way to demand physicality is to display physicality,
I would have thought, and that's exactly what Ardie Savier
did last night. From Jules and almost Era free All

(43:46):
Blacks as an animal no other team can live with scrum, power,
line out, accuracy, physical dominance, handling and kicking precision. What
more can a fan ask for? It's a very good question, Jieles.
I'm not sure we could ask for much more after
the first half last night. Hello Craig, how's it going good?
Thank you?

Speaker 15 (44:03):
It was a good game last night. I was kine
divide it because my girlfriend's unerteining, so I kind of
have to. I have to say, I have to sit
in the middle somewhere.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
And was she after last week and she would have
been placed after last week?

Speaker 15 (44:16):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (44:16):
She was?

Speaker 15 (44:16):
And then this week it's like, you've got to we
walked the fine line between rubbing it in the face
and just gain. I feel so sorry for you.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Ah, you're a very good peacemaker at your place by
this out of it.

Speaker 15 (44:28):
Oh yeah, it's like it's at the it's just a
game for one week, whereas youve got to live with
the other person for a while, so you have to
you have to toss up the two of them. I
get it, man, question I've got there's three questions, like,
well two questions, well three in it. What I couldn't
figure out was one was why do they have it
only a two game when it's like the other guys
won last week and we won this week, so then
it's a draw. So why don't they have like a

(44:50):
three one where you can basically end up with a
winner or don't they do that nowadays?

Speaker 20 (44:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Great, great question. I'm sure they would love to. It's
just the calendar, really, Craig. I think it's just fitting
them all in. You know, if they had one more
test then they'd only have one week between going to
South Africa. It's really just a it's just a calendar thing, really, mate.
But I think you're right me. Imagine a designer be awesome.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (45:09):
Well, I mean it's just like I reckon if if
it wasn't pouring down of the rate and what probably
would have been a tider game, I imagine. I think
the actually team guys are struggling little.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Bit with wetball.

Speaker 15 (45:17):
Where are we probably with our conditions are probably a
little bit used to playing that sort of conditions really
during NBC and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, bang, Scott Robinson s afterwards, the weater the better.

Speaker 15 (45:27):
Yeah. And the other question I've got is I got
I got asked this question by one of your friends
while last week what is there, Like the double standard
with the orbitis as far as they can do the
hucker and run your finger across the throat, but when
other individual players do it, the other players going off field,
they get sanctioned about it. What makes the hucker so
special that they can get away with that sort of stuff?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Another good question? I think what they'd tell you is
that is that because the action in the hucker, as
I'm sure you know, is the drawing of the of
the thumb across what's supposed to be the sort of
the upper chest area.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, but and I know, Craig, I know what you're
going to say and what people say.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
Across the throat.

Speaker 15 (46:03):
Yeah, but it's like, well, why can some guys get
told off about when they did in an NPC and
various other things. But yeah, if you do in the
hockey you get away with. This's like, well, that's kind
of a little bit of a double standard, really, I suppose.
But the other thing I can't understand is her She's
and a lot of her friends being Christian people, they
get a little bit upset when people start talking about
the Guarden of eating. It's like, well, that's a Bible
rips reference, why is it being used for that? They

(46:25):
get a little bit annoyed and sort of say, oh,
let's blessed for me. I sort of stay out of
him and go in the other room and go I
don't want to get into that one, Craig.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm not going to either. I'm going to come into
the other room with you. But let's agu and sitting
there we can talk rugby. Yeah, I look, I think
nicknames are fairly common, and yeah, I don't think there's
any any intent to blaspheme in that way. I'm glad
it was a peaceful weekend in your house mate. You've
split the series with you and your girlfriend, and it's
hope that peace reigns in your place for the rest

(46:55):
of the weekend. Good to chat to your mate. Hello, Elizabeth.

Speaker 21 (46:59):
I'm a bit of a noldie. But wasn't that Bill
Freeman who said the ball is always faster than the man? Yes,
and I think on the eve of going to South Africa,
we should remember that, no brute force, just keep passing it.
We've got the skill, we've got the backs, we've got
the speed, and I just think keep passing it. That's
what we did last night in the first half and

(47:20):
we won.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Good strategy, Elizabeth. Yeah, and look, it sounds so simple,
doesn't it. And you're so right. The ball is always
faster than the man. So if you can get the
ball through the hands and you got one more guy
on the outside, then it's always going to hopefully pay
dividends for you. I guess the counterpoint is being allowed
to do that when defenses are right up in your face.
But where these guys are professionals, it's up to them

(47:42):
to work out how to beat that. And it's a
great strategy, which I'm sure a lot of all Blacks
fans will be big fans of.

Speaker 21 (47:49):
I should pass it on to Scott Roberts.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Maybe you should. I think you should. Yes, I think
he look knowing Scott robertson a little bit and having
dealt with them, he would probably be quite open to
your suggestion.

Speaker 22 (48:00):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Thanks Elizabeth. Great to chat to you.

Speaker 13 (48:03):
Jack.

Speaker 11 (48:03):
How are you, mateyllo?

Speaker 23 (48:05):
Plenty very good and well into absolutely bucketing down.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
But yeah, my wife, yeah, my wife. My wife sent
me a text saying that team I about to start
up here in Aucklam made all though it was pretty
wet here as well.

Speaker 23 (48:15):
That is absolutely harndusly. I mean, I enjoyed the game
last night, but I had more of a question from
someone who was born in the nineties. They made the
comment yesterday in the commentary that in ninety eight we'd
never won a Train Nations game. At the time, we
lost five in a row, and I was just interested.
I mean, if you can remember nineteen ninety eight what
that was like. Having never actually experienced something even remotely

(48:36):
close to that ninety.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Eight, I do remember ninety eight, Jack very well. Yeah,
ninety six and ninety seven, the All Blacks were dominant.
They were a dominant rugby team across. That was when
professionalism started, the Try Nation started. We beat South Africa,
we beat Australia nineteen ninety eight, five straight losses. It
was mate, it was. It was really challenging for All

(48:59):
Blacks players, I'm sure, but for fans and you kept
on just thinking, okay, well we'll win the next one,
we'll win the next one. We didn't. And Tane Randall
was the captain then, and I know it was a
horrendous time for him as captain of a team that
lost five straight Test matches.

Speaker 23 (49:16):
Was there more hysteria than there would be today, or
less hysteria or just a different kind because it's pretty
self phone pre that stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
I think there was quite a bit of hysteria. I
don't think it was quite as bad as I actually
actually there was, because I remember after ninety nine as well,
the Rugby World Cup in ninety nine when when France
beat us that in that semi final. There was there
was so much hysteria after that, and I think that
had been building off the back of nineteen ninety eight.

(49:44):
It was pretty rabid, mate, I've got to be honest.
There was a lot of Yeah, there was a lot
of a lot of feral behavior from all blacks fans
around that time.

Speaker 23 (49:52):
From memory, Yeah, well, no cool fee. I was just
curious having been born in ninety four.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
So the lost, Yeah, it does happen. Jack, Yeah, stay
dry mate, if you can, good to chet you oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty teight text. I want
to get to some of them. Chris says. I would
say it will be a win and a loss in
South Africa, but the other way round from what the
previous Texter said, they'll win, the first one will bounce
back in the second thanks Chris Durrance's Finally no Way

(50:19):
was at zero degrees last night at Eden Park was
a bit chilly with the rain and the strong wind.
But the caller who suggested the players were likely to
get hypothermia is a bit off. Not great to get
wet and be in the wind, but the reserves had jackets.
It was actually quite humid and nothing like playing in
Wellington or christ Church at night in midwinter. I agree, Actually, Jared,
it was where I was. It wasn't cold. I just

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I had a you're always talking layers. I had like
a jersey and a jacket on and I was not
cold at all. But then again, having said that, you
think about those all blacks standing out there in the
pouring rain in their plane kit because they take their
kits off, they take their jackets off to stand there
for the anthems and the hakka, and that kind of sinks.
Even if you put a jacket on over the top,

(51:00):
the layer next to your skin still wet. So yeah,
but yeah, I've been a lot older than I was
last night. I'm from Welling tonight, so that's hard. They're
surprising Steve.

Speaker 24 (51:11):
Yeah, how's it going?

Speaker 25 (51:13):
Very good?

Speaker 24 (51:15):
I don't have any issues with the run on teams
any troublers. I think that they're going to need to
do something with their reserves that come to handle the
bomb squads.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Good point, Steve, Yeah, I mean South Africa may well,
I've gone with seven forwards on the bench, haven't they.
Whether they do that in these test matches remains to
be seen. Do you think we might go to a
six two split perhaps, Oh.

Speaker 24 (51:39):
It's not about that. I think it's about their mental
state at the time. For the reserves that are there,
they just need to be a lot because we didn't
in the second half and thus weekend they didn't really
come up to us, did they. They didn't score them
any drive and the seven.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
All yeah, second half was seven all. I don't know
whether that was entirely down to the changes. It's always
going to be a bit clunky. The thing you would
have noticed last night, Steve, they made five changes at
the same time, which is quite rare to bring to
make five at one time. Often you see a couple
of props come on together, or or you know, you
might see two sometimes three. But I think that's the

(52:16):
first time I've seen five changes at the same time.

Speaker 24 (52:20):
I'd love to see Tossi on too given the go Yeah, yeah,
the other the other prop yep.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I think I thought he was good he I think
he's only played against Fiji from memory, probably has to
buy this time. He was good for the Hurricanes to
Mighty Williams. I thought stepped up well last night, Stephen.
Not saw what you what you thought? He hasn't started
too many test matches. I thought he was good last night.

Speaker 24 (52:40):
Oh he was awesome. He was awesome there and they're
all pretty good actually. But yeah, they're one on squad.
I don't think they have an issue with that. It's
just just the the bomb squad. When they come up
against them, it's going to be a bit different.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, it will, Steve. The strategy will be really interesting
to see whether they go to combat what South Africa
will likely do. Whether they go seven to one again,
I don't know. They might, They're they're highly likely actually
six to two, and to combat that, maybe we go
six to two and just put an extra big bopper
on there. I'd really like to see Wallace the t

(53:14):
T play against South Africa. I just wonder whether they
missed the chance to give him a crack in these
two games against Argentina. That's not to say they can't
throw him in there. I think sam Kine was good
to see him back out there again last night. He'll
be a big part of the of the reserves bench,
I think in the Republic. Yeah, but yeah, two huge
test matches coming up. Can't wait to chat to you

(53:35):
about them. A couple more texts before we get to
a break. Pinty Congress of the AB is very impressed
with too por Vai for the second week in a row.
To me, I would like to see him as our
big man at number six. He has power, speed, excellent
handling skills and stamina to me, just a fraction short
for an international lock. Thanks. Gonna always enjoy your text.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
That point was made yesterday on the show that maybe
to por Va he might be a six. I think
he's enjoying himself in the second row and with the
extra responsibility of calling lineouts. That is something that by
the sounds of it, he works extremely hard on and
it might seem like a small thing, but it's a
big part of the way that set peace dominances established

(54:18):
And to porv I was watching him. Actually, that's another
thing about being sidelined. It's such a privileged position to
see these guys and to watch too por v in
just the way that you know he does the call
the others all, you know, take it on board. And
the lineouts were better last night with in fact, that
was probably the best line out performance of the year
by the All Blacks. Steve Mate, how are you great, Steve?

(54:41):
Great things?

Speaker 24 (54:43):
Hey, just going to throw this out there, and it
might be just my one eyed black pet con, but
we hear a lot about the South African bomb squad
and what they we watched, what they did like last
night in Australia and just various other teams, and I'm
missing something. Last year when we played that we beat
them in South Africa. We lost one World Cup final

(55:06):
the first through trade with fourteen men four down to
a lot sixty odd minutes for the game. I think
they're very two even teams. But what we've done in
the last eighteen months, even two years, we've nullified that
of the squad. They don't seem to have the same
impact on the All Blacks because of our technique and

(55:28):
what would bring to the game that other teams. Do
you know, when was the last time you saw them
pushing the All Black pack around it did last night,
and they hear the bomb squad, Bomb squad, bomb squad.
But I honestly believed that we had technique and in
the string to nullify the bomb squad had You've shown

(55:50):
that several times in the last about eighteen months to
a few years.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Do you know what it makes me nervous? Dave as
the game at Twicken them before the Rugby World Cup
last year when they beat us thirty five to seven,
And I know it might be an anomaly, it might
be an outlier, but they monstered us that day. Let's
so let's leave that off to one side. I think
you're right. I think the All Blacks can compete physically
with South Africa is going to need another step up
again from what they did last night. But I just

(56:17):
can't wait. I can't wait for it.

Speaker 24 (56:20):
I've been so excited for the game because I was
singing last night. But Lucy's are going to to They're
going to just wipe each other out. They got called Lucy.

Speaker 15 (56:28):
We right the forwards.

Speaker 24 (56:30):
If we can nullify that that bom bottoms Quad and
the initial board pack, we just get some parody with
them I think our backs have got it all over there.
It's just from the pure skill base. They've got the speed,
the fact that we can play eighty minutes and like
ten minutes into the game last night, the rest to
get those water boys off the field. The game yu

(56:53):
ten minutes, yea. So let's hope we've got a half
past treat in South Africa. And as I said, NULLI
nullify the forwards that do the type five. The Lucys
will take care of themselves. You know, that's pretty even
matched and it's going to be up to our backs.
So it's going to mean TJ has got to get
a good clean ball and Mac has got to he's

(57:15):
got to really use it to the full advantage. And
you know what else was great last night? The first
time this season Jordy didn't listen he tackles. Now, if
you watch the England game, he was trying to rush
up in defense and he got hipped several times.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Great analysis. Yeah, good analysis, Steve. I've got to move mate,
but no, please let's talk during the South African series, mate,
because your sound is deeply invested in it. As I am.
Thanks for your call. One twenty three. I got to
get across the Western Australia in a moment to talk
to you UFC one final text from Steven Nelson up party.
This is the last time I listened to you. Yesterday,
six hours before kickoff. I was holding strong and you

(57:53):
suggested there was nothing wrong with opening my first beer.
But as I tend to do, says Steve, I make
the most of my bad decisions when I'm feeling good.
I've only just seen the second half. Oh Steve, you
should know better than to take my advice on things
like that. I thought that was good advice. Pining, I
thought it was too I mean I would have if
I wasn't working.

Speaker 24 (58:14):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Well, I'm not sure that always matters to you. I
don't want to incriminate myself any further. Thank you very much.
One twenty four. Let's get a breakaway across to UFC
three oh five.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Right after this one, grudge hold Engage Weekend Sport with
Jason Thame and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealand's first trusted
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Speaker 2 (58:34):
Baby one twenty six. Thanks for all your your calls
and text on the rugby. We can circle back if
we get the opportunity, but I need to get across
to Western Australia where UFC three to five is on
this afternoon. Israel Adisgna aims to become the first man
in UFC history to be a three time middleweight champion.
He takes on current champion Drickers dupless C and he's

(58:56):
also looking to rebound from losing that belt to Sean Strickland.
And what was a massive upset at UFC two nine
three shipland up and guns leaps seconds.

Speaker 22 (59:10):
The sign Loren's are kick.

Speaker 18 (59:12):
To the body.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Like we had so sick Lander, Oh my god. His
biggest upsets in USC championship history. Elsewhere on the card
this afternoon, flyweight Chai Cutter France up against Australian Steve
erseg and lightweight Dan Hooker against Matteus Gamrod of France.
You can watch UFC three oh five live on Sky
Arena and stream it on Sky Sport Now from two

(59:39):
o'clock this afternoon. Let's bring a host of UFC on
Sky Ravender Hernier, who is in Perth at the moment.
Revender Israel told you during the week I watched some
of your coverage. He told you that he feels like
this is destiny for him this afternoon? Do you think
winning a third middleweight title is his destiny?

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:00:01):
You know, I don't believe anything he's telling me, to.

Speaker 26 (01:00:04):
Be honest, he has a very influential way about him.

Speaker 22 (01:00:07):
But no, it's been the word destiny was used.

Speaker 26 (01:00:12):
The way I posed the question was it's been a
very emotional journey for him, not just fight week, but
leading up to this fight. You know, there's been a
lot of that rivalry between him and Dracas Duplessy about
heritage and lineage and things. And I actually think it
made Israel look inside himself a little bit more and
to really concentrate on why he does things, concentrating on

(01:00:33):
those that love him as opposed that those who hate him,
because they' sure are those out there. And I think
he's just gotten to a point now where it feels right,
that it feels like his purpose is back, his fire
is back. So I think that's where that word destiny
really came from.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
He's had an eleven month layoff, he's lost two of
his last three fights. How do you think he's placed
to bounce back this afternoon?

Speaker 26 (01:00:54):
Oh, I think he's every chance in the world. The
thing with Israel at Desctlin here he's a little bit
of a freak of nature where although he does have
those two losses, he's still one of the best in
the business, one of the best to we have do it.

Speaker 22 (01:01:06):
Frankly, you know, those two blemishes over a career that
spans over six years is pretty good to be.

Speaker 26 (01:01:16):
To be fair on him, It's hard to come by
an undefeated fighter in the UFC these days. I think
kobieb is probably the only anomaly that I can think
of that comes to mind. And he's not around anymore.
So you know, two losses, Yeah, that will set you back.
He's he's one before, he's lost before, he's come back before.

Speaker 22 (01:01:33):
So I really feel like with that purpose that's.

Speaker 26 (01:01:36):
In his heart right now, he's pretty much unstoppable this afternoon,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
How formidable an opponent then as dric as dupless.

Speaker 22 (01:01:44):
Oh, he's an absolute formidable force. And he's got that
title for a reason.

Speaker 26 (01:01:48):
And of course he won that title from Sean Strickland,
who beat Israel A Deaks on your last year in
Sydney in September.

Speaker 22 (01:01:54):
And it's because he.

Speaker 26 (01:01:55):
Has that come forward, he has that brute strength and
he has that come forward, he will not go away.
And that that is what Israel adesk on your I'm
guessing we'll be looking out for today. Israel adaks on
your style or fights to on the outside, to use
his range and to use that range well, whereas Drickis
Duplessy likes to shut down that range, bully himself and
and and just be a savage basically. So two very

(01:02:16):
exciting styles you know that I think will compliment for
a great fight. But yeah, watch for Drickis Duplesses come
forward and that brute strength.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
These two don't like each other very much, do they No.

Speaker 22 (01:02:28):
And they've openly admitted it too. It's crazy they aren't usually.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
What's behind that? I know that there's there's been suggestions
of who the real African champions I think. I think
Drickis has said that he lives in South Africa, you know.
I obviously he's very proud of both as New Zealand
and as Nigerian heritage. Is this just all trash talking
the lead up? Or is there something deeper here?

Speaker 24 (01:02:52):
You know?

Speaker 26 (01:02:52):
I kind of thought in the beginning, I was like, Okay, great,
they've created this narrative and this is what we can
run off of having conversations with Israel, specially Fight week
this week. It has cut him those comments that he
made about, as you said, being the real African champion.

Speaker 22 (01:03:09):
He says, you know, I live breathe I was born
here in Africa. I breathe the African air.

Speaker 26 (01:03:14):
You know, I bring the title back to the people
in Israel A dathsonya doesn't he you know, he migrated
away and he's not here with the people. So that's
something that israel A daths Onnya took to heart because obviously,
I mean, he wasn't you know, living absolutely in poverty.

Speaker 22 (01:03:29):
When he was in Nigeria.

Speaker 26 (01:03:30):
But his mum and dad well and truly made the
move to New Zealand to have a better life and
to give him and his siblings a better life. I
think his dad's an accountant, mum's a nurse, so they
worked really hard to get to where they are. And
you know that's the reason why Israel, you know, fights,
and they're his purpose. So I think that struck a
nerve that and I think that's a lot a lot

(01:03:51):
of New Zealanders can resonate with that, is that, you know,
if you talk all of where I'm from or who
I am.

Speaker 22 (01:03:56):
That you will take it to heart. And I think
that's what's happened here in it and it's for real,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Let's look at a couple of the other fights your
co host on UFC on Scott Dan Hooker against number
five ranked Matthias Gamrock. Dan Hooker feels like an underdog
in this one, but from the footage I've seen and
you're talking to him, he looks really pumped up. How
do you reckon it'll go?

Speaker 22 (01:04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:04:17):
I mean I've been following Dan hook obviously for his
career and this I've never seen him so like hungry
for a fight but so happy at the same time,
like really content all at the same time. I feel
like he's really hit his stride in terms of peaking
at the right time in his career, in terms of maturity.
He says he feels he's in the best shape of

(01:04:38):
his life, and he also feels like he's a better
fighter this time around.

Speaker 22 (01:04:41):
And when we were just talking about celebrating.

Speaker 26 (01:04:42):
Ten years in the UFC, and he's saying, just now
he's like the best like he ever felt he is,
you know, being the older fighter. So I'm always a
firm believer that a happy fighter is a dangerous fighter,
and that is definitely Dan Hooker right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, he looks very happy up there, You're right. Was
that his daughter he had with her mum and at
the way in.

Speaker 22 (01:05:03):
It was indeed little Zoe. Oh she mounts your that
little girl.

Speaker 26 (01:05:07):
But yeah, she took the stage yesterday and mounted everybody's hearts.

Speaker 22 (01:05:11):
She sure did.

Speaker 26 (01:05:12):
And yeah, very proud of her dad and how exciting
for her to be able to watch that on the
big stage and then join him, holding his hand and stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:05:19):
And it showed a nice soft side to Dan too.

Speaker 26 (01:05:21):
He's always so hard and you know, quite radical in things,
so it was nice to see a softer side to
him as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Indeed, And speaking of that, Kai Cutter France, I mean
I saw him at the way I'm very pumped up,
really into it, but then he also got very emotional
when you talk to him about his Fano back home.
What are your sense from Kayik Cutter France.

Speaker 22 (01:05:40):
Yeah, lot's changed for Klai Cutter France over the past year.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:05:43):
He he had a bit of a ripoff decision against
Ameer al Barzi at a UFC fight night last year
and then since then hasn't been able to fight because
he's been battling concussion. So he's gone through the ringer
trying to come back from that. It's one thing to
come back from a physical injury. It's another to come
back from a brain injury, obviously, So he's been you know,
he's been with the specialists and testing and trying to
get back to tip top shape. He's you know, leaned

(01:06:06):
with the warriors to try and help himself in the
mental space. And within all of that, him and his
wife had another baby. So there's been a lot happening
for kai Kata France. And I think you know, through
all of that and through all that journey, that it's
all come to this and this is his moment to
Shina when he gets him a title shot. So there's
a lot on the line for him, and I think
I just caught him at a time where maybe he

(01:06:27):
realized all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
What on an occasion this afternoon? What's the venue like.

Speaker 22 (01:06:33):
Aric Arena.

Speaker 26 (01:06:34):
Yes, we've been there a couple of times now for
both the press conference and the way and it's a
lot smaller than I expected to be honest, I actually
I think Spark Arena seats more than Aric Arena.

Speaker 22 (01:06:45):
If the if I've done my research properly there.

Speaker 26 (01:06:48):
But it's a nice venue right in the middle of
Perth in the city and because of it being so small,
I can understand why the last time they had to
UFC at the spot they said that I wasn't you know.
The fans are absolutely shaking the house, screaming and yelling
and things because it's quite intimate, so I'm expecting the
same today. You know, you've got an Australian or New

(01:07:10):
Zealander basically on every single fight on this car, so
that's going to be absolutely massive and a lot of
support behind our local fighters.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Absolutely can't wait for a really exciting afternoon, Revender, Thanks
for joining us, loving your work on sky Hope. It's
a very memorable afternoon for you and for all of
our fighters from back here as well.

Speaker 22 (01:07:29):
I'm sure it will be. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
No, thanks for joining us, Rivenda, Rivenda who neea there
from a UFC on sky So UFC three five rac
Arena in Perth this afternoon. Israel Adisagna, aiming to become
the UFC's first three time middleweight champion, takes on at trikastupla.
See that'll be a bit later on. The undercart starts
at two o'clock, so what are we now about? Twenty
four minutes away from things getting underweight. We'll keep you

(01:07:52):
up to date right across the afternoon on Israel, but
also on Dan Hooker and Kaikara France involved as well.
When we come back across to the UK, we go.
James mcconey has been in Paris for the Olympics and
his jeted off now to the UK where he's filing
various bits and pieces for the for the for the
different organizations he works for. But he will take our

(01:08:15):
call James mcconey in his regular Sunday slot right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
They'd be twenty one, so you just stoupdoating some live
sport for you. Scott McLoughlin's come home second in the
IndyCar Race in Illinois. Joseph Newgarden has won his fifth
victory on this oval track. I understand ya McLoughlin's second.
There was all sorts of chaos without eight laps to
go and had to go under a what was a
red flat green flag. They had to go into a

(01:08:51):
flag and start again and McLaughlin couldn't get past Newgarden
in the final seven or eight laps, so second for him,
still a really good result. Marcus Armstrong the eighth place,
eighth for Marcus Armstrong and Scott Dixon coming home eleven.
We'll keep you up to date with that. Looking at
some Farrah Palmer cup North Harbor forty one to five

(01:09:11):
ahead of Tasman at Albany and looking to score in
another try just as we speak, seventy five minutes gone,
and that one couple of Bunning's MPC matches underway at
around about two o'clock this afternoon after two actually we'll
talk to Ben o'keeff. He's refereeing County's White Cuttle this
afternoon has two hundred and twenty second first Class fifteen's match.

(01:09:32):
That takes some past Patty O'Brien as our highest referee
in terms of controlling matches with fifteen plaza side. So
Ben O'Keeffe on the show a bit later on this afternoon.
Let's get you though, to James mcconey, who is still
in the Northern Hemisphere from the Paris Olympics across to
the UK where you'll be jumping around and visiting various people.

(01:09:54):
Opening weekend to the Premier League season. Of course, James
Chris Wood has another goal. That's nine Premier League seasons
now in which he scored. He got the goal in
Forests one all draw with Bournemouth to open the Premier
League season. More goals in the Premier League now than
Eric Cantoner. What a player Chris Wood has become.

Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
It's unbelievable, isn't it. I'm so thrilled for Chris Wood.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
And I feel like I've watched enough podcasts saying that
Forrests are going to be in the relegation zone to
think that they haven't really factored in Chris Wood.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Because he keeps scoring goals.

Speaker 8 (01:10:27):
He's an important part of that club and I think
they've got actually a pretty good nucleus of attacking, attacking players.
So I know it's only one all, but hey, it's
a point and Chris Wood just doesn't miss.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
You know, he's reliable and very very reliable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
They all count for one doesn't matter. And yeah, he's
just a guy a lot of teams would like to have.
I guess his heir apparent in the All Watch anyway
would be Ben Wayne. He's a Plymouth our guy. Now
Wayne Rooney's his boss, James.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
I know I'm going down there to see him on
Monday for Crowd Goes Wild. So I can't wait to
see Wayne and Wayne. But they've said to me, you
might not get an audience with Wayne Rooney. But I
just said, I might be the only journalist that's traveled
twelve thousand miles to be there, So just you know,
give him a little nudge in my direction if you can.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
But Ben Wayne, he look, I think that this is
this is a big season for him.

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
He's you know, he's you can tell that he's starting
games for the New Zealand at all levels and and
I think he is.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
A proper starting striker.

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
And he's always been on the bench for Plymouth Argyle
and I think it stayed that way today.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
So look, he's it's pivotal for Ben Wayne.

Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
But you've watched him from his what I call his
Macaulay Culkin days, his home alone days as a basically
a child playing for the Phoenix. I think this is
this is going to be massive learning from pretty much
you know, one of the greatest English strikers of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Yeah, no, terrific for him. You just need to send
send Plymouth Arguile footage of you interviewing Tony Hawk and
Scottie Shefflin and and tell them that actually, Wayne Rooney
is not not such a big deal for you anyway.
I'm sure, Ygun. Three of the biggest styles on the planet,
Wayne Rudy just they'll be very sort of common place

(01:12:16):
by comparison. Hey, did you get the touch in front
of a TV and watch you all Blacks?

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
I did, And I really thought that they played some
Champagne rugby in the rain.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
I thought the Fords are outstanding.

Speaker 8 (01:12:27):
Great to see two po vi he sort of stamp
his mark on the game because I feel like he's
he's got that and him the loose forwards actually were excellent,
weren't they. And but really for me the standout performance
was Damien McKenzie. I think, you know, he's getting coming
under a lot of pressure for game management and all
these different sort of things that yeah, I know it's

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important for a first five. But I just think, don't
scare off or don't ruin let's say, the chances of
seeing someone who could be a real an outstanding.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
First five too early in the piece. You know, we've
we've scared off.

Speaker 8 (01:13:02):
Talented players before in rugby, and I just don't want
to see that happen to someone like Damian mackenzie. Look,
his best position may yet be fallback with boat and
sliding into ten or something like that, but at the moment,
I'm I think it's worth persevering with that experiment.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, I totally agree, and I think he'll get the
ten jersey for the next Test against South Africa and
then we see from there. I thought it was a
pretty good crowd there at Eaton Park last night. It
was very wet, especially in the lead up to the game.
Once the game started it wasn't as bad, but I'm
still getting over forty thousand there. We've talked during the
week about the lack of crowd by Comparison and Wellington.

(01:13:44):
I think every sports organization is looking for a way
to make their events pop. If you like I mean
you're an out of the box thinker. Have you got
any thoughts on this?

Speaker 8 (01:13:54):
Yeah, I was kind of messaging you before saying, look,
I think there's something in the way that a lot
of sports events have just become so big that they
still improve against all odds.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:14:06):
The Ryder Cup, for example, last year was the most
watched in its history, even though linear TV or just
normal TV is supposedly going down in ratings, but the
Ryder Cup manages to sort of be bigger than ever.
The Ashes seems to be bigger than ever, and it's
more frequent now. So I think it comes down to

(01:14:28):
a few things. One is rivalry. I think you can't
beat that, and even state of origin, you can be
an absolute newbie to that and still appreciate what's on
the line with this intense rivalry. But then you need
a format that really works, and that's where I think
the Ryder Cup is something. By having three days of
different types of competition. I wonder whether rugby. I know

(01:14:50):
Rugby's going back to Tours of South Africa, but would
it perhaps work, for example, for Transtasmin competition not to
just play for the bleeders load with the men playing,
but then also have the Black fans play and then
have our sevens teams play.

Speaker 6 (01:15:06):
And you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:15:08):
So there's four games, yes, and then it all becomes
a massive format so that you're all fully engaged in
all these different styles of rugby. And I mean that's
just for rugby, but I feel like in other sports
that could happen. Football, whatever you like, it needs they
need to have some just change, tweak the format a
bit so that people have properly interested in the outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yeah, when you're talking innovation, nothing should be off the table,
you know. Just yeah, just kick some ideas around.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Even what do we add the touch blacks and have
a game of touch as well as part of it all?

Speaker 6 (01:15:41):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I mean, let's kick some ideas around and see what
flows to the top. Hey, speaking of ideas, you've got
a new a new call it a show. I'm not
sure what the right terminology is these days. I'm not
sure what the young kids are calling it. You've got
you've got something new coming up.

Speaker 8 (01:15:57):
It's really a chat show that's on on Sky starts
tomorrow night at seven thirty pm on Sky Sport one.
And it's called It's not Tiddley Winks, so it's referenced
to Tanna among his famous quote when he was saying
to the ref, you know, we're playing rugby here, and
it's really just having players talking, sharing stories that they

(01:16:19):
wouldn't normally share.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
I mean, you and I have done so much, so
many events where we're em seeing.

Speaker 8 (01:16:25):
And doing Q and A on the couch in front
of you know, live audiences, and quite often those stories
some of them probably aren't for TV, but some of
them are. And that's where I sort of decided that
this would be a good idea to have a show
where We've got Stephen Donald kicking things off tomorrow night
and he's fantastic. We've got Shrey and Gillies Khaka coming up,

(01:16:46):
a Peartow Brothers really interesting, Steve Devine, Thomas the Tank Engine, Waldrome.
You know, there's Frank Buntz as an episode as well.
So yeah, it's going to be every week for the
next six weeks on Monday night on Sky and I'm
really excited just even just to do something I'm not on.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
In front of camera.

Speaker 8 (01:17:06):
I'm producing it and it's Rah Paul Muddy from Crowd
Goes Wild and John R. Four are the hosts. But
I think Beaver's stories are really interesting. Just even his
sill of any siv vartu stories from Gauzoe mates at
school right at Wesley College and then and then we're
teammates for years and years and you could listen to

(01:17:26):
them all day, but they are half an hour.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
So that's my plate tune in nice.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
One A good plug too, excellent to chat to you, mate,
all the best with Wayne and Wayne, with Ben and Wayne,
with Wayne and Rooney when you get when you get
down to Plymouth wherever that might be. Hey, great to
chat as always, mate. We'll catch up again next Sunday.

Speaker 6 (01:17:46):
Cheers Poney, Thanks mate, Yeah, Rooney.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
James mcconey from the UK off to see Wayne, Rooney
and Ben Wayne. No doubt we'll hear all about that
next week when James mccony joins us in his next
installment of Sunday Afternoons on weekend Sport eleven Away from
two updating you on some live sport chat. Madam Cup
Football Semi final time Coastal Spirit hosting Wellington Olympic down

(01:18:12):
in christ Church one all at halftime or approaching halftime
in that game. The second semi is at two o'clock
at Kiwatia Street in Auckland Auckland City up against Birkenhead United.
When we come back, We'll just give you a couple
of little snippets from Scott Robertson's day after media session
house he feeling as they head off to the big

(01:18:34):
challenge of South Africa. We'll hear are the thoughts of
Scott Robertson after this on Weekend Sport when.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
It's down to the line. You made a call on
ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News dog.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
ZMB seven and a half to two full time in
that far Apartmer Cup Championship game at Albany and North
Harbor of beaten Tasmen forty six points to five, so
fairly comprehensive. There Bunning's MPC action underway in about ten minutes.
Goldsport and iHeartRadio have commentaries of these games. Bay of plenty,
North Harbor. This game is at the toadong A Domain
Bay of plenty two from two looking very good and

(01:19:07):
at pottydo A Park or Jerry Collins Stadium in Potty
do Wellington taking on Tararanhaky. That game also at five
past two. Scott Robinson, all blacks Head coach the day
after the win over Argentina last night, has he already
started thinking ahead to South Africa?

Speaker 27 (01:19:23):
You do, just naturally, You look forward to the next
game pretty quickly. Yeah, you know, these two don't come
around that often, especially the Joe burg Cape down combo,
so you're aways planning away And you know, I enjoyed
last night and the capping and of the three debutantes

(01:19:43):
with their families and then get a sleeping sort of
a sleeping and then get straight onto the next job.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Haw's last night's performance loosened the shackles around the team
a little bit, a.

Speaker 27 (01:19:54):
Little bit, just confirmed what you know, we've been planning
all along, I could said last night and the execution
part of it. Love the efforts and off the ball,
you know, we showed a lot of those clips. We
just needed to get that these little finishers people finishing
your job. We've been creating and doing jobs, but not
finishing job. So that was pleasing and the mood of

(01:20:16):
the group was boy enters.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
You can imagine how big is the challenge of getting
the team up to speed now with the challenge that
South Africa will present.

Speaker 27 (01:20:25):
Yeah, these different styles and these different body types, and
they've got a clear DNA South Africa. They've been pretty
innovative involved evolved really well in the last few games.
So it's exciting part. And you know you said enough
of them and test footing and you see how Zie's
minds worked as pretty specials. They've got a great group there,

(01:20:48):
so it's going to be great, great few test meters.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
And one thing we haven't talked about actually with the
rugby today is our suffer I'm aways yellow card late
in the game for head contact, stayed at a yellow
card after an off field review. What did Scott Robertson
make of that yellow card decision?

Speaker 27 (01:21:00):
I think it was right cool, yep, it was good.
I Look, what I'm really impressed with is where we've
got to clear processes. We've got considered its short sharp,
they look at it. The tmo's coming in and saying
it's a yellow. There is some mitigative factors. Let's don't

(01:21:21):
have a look. It's done with and you know there's
not big long stops and play. You know, the whole
Rugby Championship has been really clear, it's been quicker, the
actual entertainment values higher with all those little things that
have been put in. I think they've done a great
job world rugby and that's a great example of it.
That yellow card there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
That's Scott Robertson with some of his after or day
after thoughts. The next Test is in a couple of
weeks in South Africa. They playing joe Burg and then
in Cape Town. Two massive test matches coming up. Look
forward to us seeing how they play out into discussing
those test matches with you.

Speaker 13 (01:21:56):
Final.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
A couple of texts on the rugby before we hit
the news. Jason somewhat unheralded and unappreciated thought too, Paul
Vai had a good game and telling Lee played eighty
minutes in both test matches. Seems the coaches appreciate what
he brings. Absolutely might totally agree with that. Good to
see some of the young blokes go el Sis Barry
to Mighty Williams and Sam Dowry. I'd like to see
Artie back at seven with Satiti starting at eight. I

(01:22:18):
sort of made that point yesterday. I wonder whether they
if that's in their mind at all. Well, Ethan black
Aada made a really good fist of the number six
jersey last night. I think he probably holds on to that.
I just think it would be hard to bring Wallace
Atiti in now against South Africa without having played the
last two Test matches. Still we'll see, and Craig says
finding one of d Max's kicks was one second away

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from being over time the crowd we're counting down too.
Obviously something worked because he's kicked six from six, hasn't he?
D Mac After two we're inside the Black Fern's camp
with Caitlin va Calall.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Been two o seven This is weekend Sport, but only
for another hour and then we'll hand over to Tim
Beveridge for the weekend Collective Sunday edition. Quite a bit
to get through between now and three though, just looking
at some pictures from Potty to a park in Wellington.
The weather is terrible and there's been a special commemoration
of the life of Connor Garden borshop can see his dad,

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former All Black Stephen Bashop there as part of a
number of friends in farn Now who have been invited
out onto the turf there to pay tribute to their
recently fallen son Jackson Garden bashop. Of course, Connor's brother
is at first five for Wellington this afternoon. They're taking
on Taranaki had a wind and rain swept potty to
a park. We'll keep eyes on that for you, as

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we will on the other NPC match which is going
on right now, and I'll just just check who that is.
They have bleeding North Harbor of course, how could I
forget the Steamers this hour. Caitlin var acrlol is a
try scoring sensation for the Black Ferns. Four tries the

(01:24:18):
last time she played in that jersey against Australia. She's
been named as one of the traveling squad for the
upcoming Test match against England at Twickenham and then the
wx F that follows. She's standing by the chat to
us Tom Rennie out of the UK, running an eye
over the weekend that has been and is still to come.
In the Premier League opening weekends, Manchester United starting with
a win and it'll keep the United fans happy for

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a week.

Speaker 24 (01:24:40):
At least.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Ben keeps on the show too. He breaks a record
this afternoon. Our top referee. We'll tell you more about that.
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Speaker 9 (01:25:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
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South Africa have line out driven their way to another
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Trying to hold them a ransom.

Speaker 8 (01:26:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Milk Marts goes in thirty points to twelve the winning
margin and finally to the Premier League Liverpool. An impressive
start to their post Jurgen klop Era in the Premier League.

Speaker 25 (01:26:54):
Alexander Arnold and Salah and Mosalah in for Shutter who
doesn't miss this time. Liverpool's first goal scored under the
new head coach Arna Slot.

Speaker 9 (01:27:08):
Its caressed beyond the.

Speaker 25 (01:27:10):
Ipswich keeper by dog shot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
The scoot from the track field and the court on
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Speaker 14 (01:27:19):
It with j.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Eleven minutes past two, Taranaki, you've opened the scoring in
Potty dou scoring a try to Ricky Rickettelli. It's absolutely
pelting down in Wellington. I think it's actually wet everywhere where?
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where you are in New Zealand, let us know. Ah
the Black Ferns their squad has been named for the
highly anticipated end of year tour, where they will play
England at Twickenham before venturing to Canada for w XV
one in September. The squad, of course, includes Blues and
Black Ferns. Winger Caitlin Vaha al all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Left end side for the matt left running ball. Vaha
call tonight a hat trick before halftime and might come
now though she's swerving and she's away. Kaylan Baja.

Speaker 9 (01:28:15):
Scored it third.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Kaylan Vaha Colo is with us on Weekend Sport. Congratulations
Caitlyn on your selection in the squad. How much anticipation
is there among the players ahead of what looks to
be a very very exciting tour.

Speaker 10 (01:28:28):
Thank you so much here, really grateful to have been named.
We're very excited to go overseas and I guess show
the growth that we've had as a team of this
last year but in different years. We lost England last year,
so we really want to come into these next few
tests firing and yeah, we're really excited.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
I was going to ask you about that loss at
the back end of last year at Mount Smart thirty
three twelve. How much motivation do you have to turn
that around when you face England at Twickenham.

Speaker 10 (01:28:54):
I mean, nobody likes losing, so obviously there's there's a
little bit of hunger that we have to go back
and get our revenge, I guess, but this is something
we do every day. It's just another rugby game as well,
so we're just going to go into it with that
same mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
And yeah, well, let's look at the last time you
played for the Black Ferns last month. Four tries and
a sixty two nil demolition of Australia that equals the
Black Ferns record for most tries and a Test match.
What went so well? I looked at the highlights you
were amazing. What went so well for you that day?

Speaker 10 (01:29:24):
I'm sorry it was actually most tries and Visustralia because
porl she has the most.

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
But I what was your question?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
I just wondered what went so well for you that day.

Speaker 10 (01:29:34):
Honestly, I just have the best teammates and they just
basically gave me that last tussle, that last kick, and
I was able to put the ball over the line.
I think over the last few weeks before that game,
our coaches had really made us hold each other accountable
to our skill set, and I think we were able
to transfer that onto the pitch when it came to
playing that day. So yeah, it was an exciting one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Yeah, are being a bit modest. You're right, You're on
the end of a couple of backline moves, but there
was also a gruber kick that you had to chase
after and score, and then there was your third try.
I reckon, you're about thirty forty meters out the line,
ball in two hands, side step. You're playing well, man,
you must be stoked with how you're playing.

Speaker 10 (01:30:13):
Yeah, I'm definitely becoming more confident, which I think was
something I was struggling with last year. So just to
be able to play confidently has been my biggest goal,
and so yeah, I'm loving what I'm doing at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
You did talk about your teammates though, how exciting is
it to play outside players like Sylvia brunt Alo I
hate Demon Amy Duplas who are very good at creating
opportunities for their outsides.

Speaker 10 (01:30:35):
Yeah, they're awesome, I.

Speaker 11 (01:30:36):
Learn Sylvia have.

Speaker 10 (01:30:37):
I've played them since they first started with Auckland Storm,
so I love to get begin to care of my friends.
I have so much fun with them.

Speaker 19 (01:30:44):
Amy.

Speaker 10 (01:30:44):
I don't play in a lot of the team to
the Black Ferns, but she has such a workhoorse to
work greater than amazing, and she just loves to play.
So I'm pretty lucky to spare what to learn from them,
and just to be able to play on the same
level of them as really exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
And you've got thirteen tries in your last eight test matches,
have scored at least one and all of those last eight.
Is that a metric that you measure yourself by? Try
scoring an important measure of your success.

Speaker 10 (01:31:12):
I think for people that watch our games it probably is,
But to me not really. I feel like the amount
of tries I score won't necessarily represent the kind of
player I am, and I don't want it to. I
don't want sooring tries to define who I am as
ruggy player. I think I'm so much more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
So yeah, well, well Rugby obviously thought so breakthrough fifteen's
Player of the Year at the end of last year.
How big an honor was that for you?

Speaker 10 (01:31:36):
Yeah, that was very unexpected, I'm going to be honest,
but I think that's just a reflection of all the
support that's been around me and the amount of people
that have believed in me. So I guess I was
able to break through because of that. Yeah, but I've
obviously felt very honest.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
You talked before about how you've got a greater confidence
now in a black Fern's jersey. What was it like
when you didn't have that confidence and why do you
think that was.

Speaker 10 (01:32:02):
I think I've just been I'm just really hard on myself.
I really high standards myself as a revery player, and
I really do want to be the best in the world.
So last year was my Like, I guess I was
a bit of a rookie and I didn't know if
I was in the right place. I sometimes felt like
I didn't deserve the jersey, but just from the support
around me and people constantly reminding me that I'm exactly
where I'm meant to be. It's kind of been engraved

(01:32:23):
in my mind that now that I'm exactly where I'm
meant to be, and if I believe in my stuff,
then I can't play as great as I have been lately.
So I think that's been the change for me over
this last year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
What is the Black Fern's environment like in terms of
the support that has wrapped around you when things are
going well and even when they're not.

Speaker 10 (01:32:42):
I feel like I'm supported in the best way possible way.
I feel like everything we need is athlete. The internal
management and our coaches try it be best to cater
to our needs. I still think we can get paid
a bit more, but I know that's a journey. But
other than that, I feel like we're very supported in.

Speaker 21 (01:32:59):
We're very lucky.

Speaker 10 (01:32:59):
I think our past Black Fernds have really paid the
way for us to have full time contracts, so you
have credit to them and all their hard work so
that we, I guess, get to reap all those benefits.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Of course, you're a brilliant rugby league player as well,
like for the Kiwi Ferns Rugby League World Cup back
into twenty twenty two, what got you back to the
fifteen a side code.

Speaker 10 (01:33:20):
While my first year with Oakland Storm, I had never
been in such a welcoming environment and I just feel
like after that, after that campaign, I really wanted to
keep playing with those same people. And I think in
New Zealand there's not as much support around resources for
female sport, especially within rugby league.

Speaker 13 (01:33:37):
Like for the league.

Speaker 10 (01:33:37):
Sorry, so we don't have FULLI contracts for rugby league
players here. The girls have to move over to Australia
to get proper opportunities and so it's awesome that the
Worries have a team next year, which means girls can
stay home. But for me, I'm looking at my future
life and what I want to have as a career
and I don't want to be a part time I said,
I want to be a full time athlete, so which

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is what Black Germs is offering, which I'm very lucky
to have.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
So you so if an opportunity ever came up in
the future, I mean, could you ever see yourself going
back to a rugby league in the NRLW.

Speaker 10 (01:34:09):
I don't know. My focus right now is my rugby
and trying to make the World Cup team. That's my
only focus in serving this Black Link team as best
as I can. So I haven't really been thinking about Lee,
to be honest, but who knows what the future holds.
But who Now, I'm fully focused on this team.

Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
Good time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
You just don't need to decide now, you don't have
to decide to die you about plague you. The other
thing I love, Caitlan is your social media content. Your
Instagram is just full of happiness and light and positivity.
How keen are you to use your platform for good?

Speaker 10 (01:34:45):
I never want to feel like it's obligation. I think
when you have a big platform, you sometimes feel like
you have to be the super positive and happy person.
But I think I just want to be someone that's
relatable and I want I guess if I want it
to be anything. I want to be an advocate of
encouragement to young people that see my social media and
they see that I'm expressive and that I'm trying to
be just be myself, that they can go and in

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pathways that I'm at the moment too, So don't. I
don't want to ever feel like I'm obligated to be
like that. But I just love to be happy. I
love to share joy and if that comes across on
my social media. Then that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
I guess it comes across as authentic, though it doesn't
come across as though you're forcing yourself to put a
smile on and put a photo up. Because authenticity, your
authenticity is important to isn't it? And being real?

Speaker 10 (01:35:30):
Yeah, I do think it is. I think that it's
important to share your struggles. It's important to share the
things that I guess don't necessarily look that great on
social media, but if maybe if I'm sharing that, then
people will feel less alone. And so yeah, that's probably
why I'm sort of open on social media.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Awesome, And just to finish, back to back to the
black Ferns and your next your next point of business.
Have you thought about what it'll be like running out
if you get the opportunity, obviously running out of to
sold out twicken them to face England.

Speaker 10 (01:36:00):
I have never been in a crowd where I can't
hear my teammates, but my my my friends in the
black telling me that what it's going to be like,
and apparently it could be like a world record breaking audience.
So I guess there is a little bit of nervousness
if I get slicked to play. But like I said
at the start, rugby is I do this every day,
so it's just the same thing. We just have a

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crowd around us that's only different.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
So yeah, such an exciting squad that you're part of
for these back end of the internationals. Kaitlin, travel safe,
all the best and yeah, we all just can't wait
to see how it plays out for you at Twickenham
in September. Thanks for taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 10 (01:36:37):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Thanks Kaitlyn, Caitlin for call on there. Yeah, try scoring machine.
Keep an eye on her. She will, I think, become
what Porsha Woodman has been in that team. She just
seems like a very special player, very special player. Indeed,
we'll look forward to seeing how they go against England
at twicken and big challenge there coming to tweety. Okay,
I asked where it wasn't raining. Okay, here we go,

(01:37:02):
hot and windy and hawks by today. Jason, thank you,
Sonny and Woodland's Southland. Hi, Jason's only in Denedin, but
clouding over now, but no rain or wind, says Kate.
Old Erna says fine here in Mosgeel, fine with some
cloud and Napier, Hastings twenty degrees earlier. Beautiful, says Brendan Piney.
He's been to Ocean Beach near Hastings ran fully Shield Territory.
All right, calm down, sunshine, Sunbay. There's swimmers getting breezy

(01:37:22):
but still warm and dry, thank you, Graham. Sunny but windy,
and Gisbon fine. Hot and windy in Napier, says John
a mind day, and in the cargo says Hemi's just
been out orient tearing, nice work, fine and sunny. Gisbon
very windy though nineteen degrees sunshine at Marsden Point. No
rain in Cromwell sonny in Hawk's Bay, only now clouding over.
You can't beat it. Beautiful day and Gisbon fine Here

(01:37:43):
in Matuta at the moment, says Cath Cloudy with the
sun shining in Mattoda, and I think that's it. I'm
looking at a TV screen with wellings and on it.
Terrible and he's been watching the Farah par mcupp in
christ Church terrible. Not that nice here in Auckland, unfortunately,
but good to know that around the country there are
parts of our population who are enjoying the I've just

(01:38:07):
got Southland and Hawk's Bay. From that report, I think
you're right well. Enjoy Enjoy guys Southland and Hawks Bay.
You have the best of the weather today to twenty two,
we're after the UK shortly a look at the Premier League,
which has been well been underweight, is underway the first
round of the new Premier League season across the weekend.
Some teams have played, some teams yet to play. So

(01:38:27):
can anybody knock Manchester City off their perch? Tom Rennie
out of talkSPORT in the UK after this.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
It's more than just a game.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
Weekend Sport with Jason Bene and TJ Gardner Homes New
Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Talks and b two twenty five Chris Wood has scored
a goal on the opening weekend of the Premier League season.

Speaker 9 (01:38:48):
Here they are really costive and long. It gets it
back from Wood yet.

Speaker 26 (01:39:00):
Noting a forest in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
The incredible Chris Wood has now scored in nine Premier
League seasons. He has more Premier League goals, as I
mentioned to James mcconey a little while ago, than ear
Ack Kentona and a host of other big stars. Just
continues to produce the Goods, Chris Wood, Nottingham Forest one,
Bournemouth one. Let's bring in talkSPORT commentator Tom Renneye to
run an eye over some of the other matches. Can

(01:39:23):
we start with the very first match of the season, Tom,
which you covered Manchester United one nil winners over Fulham.
They were eighth last season Manchester United. Anything to suggest
that they'll challenge for I don't know, the top four
or even higher.

Speaker 9 (01:39:37):
Yeah, I wouldn't go any higher. Let's not go wild
on the first weekend of the season. But do you know,
I think most of us are surprised that Ericton harg
is still there, right. I think that the season was
pretty poor in the league, but then they put in
an all time great performance to my mind against man
City in the FA Cup Final. Not many people beat
man City and they did, and on the balance of it,

(01:40:01):
I think it's fair that he gets another shot. Ericton
Hall two seasons, two trophies, not too shabby. And you
know they've not won the Premier League's in Alex Ferguson
and all of that, so you've got to take all
this success is relative and I think during the summer,
no euro at the moment but I think you'll be good.
De Lickt wasn't fit enough to start, but he's going
to come good. Xerxy is scoring the winning goal. He's
going to come good. I think there's lots of positives

(01:40:22):
about Manchester United. Look, the performance against Fulham wasn't great,
It wasn't fully coherent, it wasn't as good as they're
going to be. But if there's one thing the opening
weekend of the football season will teach you is that
we're not in a position now to talk about performance.
We're not in a position to talk about development. What
matters is you get that first win by a hook

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or by crook. If you get it, there is your
foundational stone for this season. Next week, there's an away game,
next week, another home game. If you get to five
games in and you've not won, and your bottom of
the league with a minor six goal difference, you may
well not finish there. You likely won't finish there if
you're Man United or even you know, Newcastle Villa, west
Ham or whatever, the mid table, never mind the upper table.

(01:41:07):
If you're in that position, everyone on start to panic.
The season will fill doomed and it's very hard to recover.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
From that.

Speaker 9 (01:41:14):
So they got the win and that's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Well, let's look at a couple of other teams that
did exactly that as well. Arsenal sickon to City in
the last two seasons two at home over Wolves. Could
they take that next step Arsenal this season.

Speaker 9 (01:41:28):
I mean, the issues are too far with Arsenal. Number
one is that the average to win the Premier League
across the thirty seasons there's been is around eighty four
to eighty five points. Manchester City have made that average ninety,
so you have to get ninety points to win the
Premier League. Now, man City have raised the standards and Arsenal,
though great for two seasons, have not been able to
meet those standards. They face City quite soon in the

(01:41:50):
opening few weeks of the season. To win the Premier League,
they have to beat Manchester City twice. That has to happen.
It's Rick Flair, right, to be the man, You've got
to beat the man. That is what it is with Arsenal.
So I think it all comes down to those meetings
with man City coming up one of the first few
weeks on the opening day against Wolves, they weren't amazing.

(01:42:12):
It's got to be said. They weren't at their absolute best.
That can rise have just come back from being away,
barely played and trained during the summer. Same with the
Kayasakrus scored the second goal, so again get the job done.
Were they spectacular, No, but they were certainly solid. I
will say that with the transfer window being open, looking
at the Arsenal team on Saturday, not a great deal

(01:42:33):
of change has happened. And I think even though it's
called ninety plus goals last season, last season, I'd still
be looking for that goalscorer who can take that chance
in that game to get them over the line, because
again the standards are ridiculously high. So look, can they
do it?

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
Yes? Will they do it?

Speaker 9 (01:42:51):
I'd still sit in the camp of no.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
West Ham one, Eston Villa two, Villa fourth last season
you cover this game? Was this encouraging from Eston Villa?

Speaker 8 (01:43:01):
Yeah it was?

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:43:02):
I followed a couple of Villa games during pre season.
They lost the match against Columbus Crew in Ohio. They
didn't really look like they were in the best of
shape during their US tour, But I'll tell you what
they looked like the team of last season. They just
continued from where last season left off. I know there
were some poor results back end of last season, but
the macro of the campaign was fantastic and you could
see they looked a lot more settled then west Ham

(01:43:24):
in this game with John McGee was fantastically on. Bailey
had a great game defensively strong, offensively, impressive and fitting.
Really that John Duran, who was almost begging for a
move to west Ham a couple of weeks ago. He
was on Instagram live doing west Ham symbols to west
Ham fans because he thought he was being sold, comes
on for Villa and scores the winning goal away at

(01:43:46):
west Ham. One of the most fitting things you're going
to see in football weather. But look, I think Villa.
The issue with Villa is that they've got a great
manager and a really good team. The issue is they're
in this new Champions League. First, they have a Champions
League campaign. There are eight group games. That is going
to be a killer come December, come February four Villa,
unless they had some more players, they really are one

(01:44:07):
of the great teams we will find out. And on
the flip side with west Ham, you know four and
a half years of David moy is a very very
long time and they looked like they were trying one
or two new things today. There were new players coming in.
I think Riquez was very poor, but he's a good player.
Nicholas ful Krug not fit enough to start. He is
a brilliant signing for west Ham. I think he'll come good.
You know, they went to west Ham at a really

(01:44:29):
good time and in the end, Thomas sochik this is
an open goal. It probably should be too too. So
I think that there's good science for Villa, but I
don't see them requalifying for top four and I think
west Ham are going to take ten games. I think
it's not fair to judge them until we get to
end of October.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
Probably.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Premier League football returned to Portman Road after a twenty
two year ebsence. Wonderful scenes there Episwich though, going down
to Neil to Liverpool, you talking about teams needing to
get off to a winning start. New Liverpool boss Anna
Slot just needed the win, didn't he Impressive from Liverpool
and impressive enough.

Speaker 9 (01:45:02):
No, I wouldn't say impressive. I think you make the
point and you're absolutely right. I keep saying it too.
In this conversation first weekend. Just get the points on
the board. Liverpool going to get better. Liverpool is going
to learn how to play under Arnes slot. And look
they had a really interesting assignment today because ipswich a
bit like the other two promoted sides. They're going to
struggle for thirty points. Right, It's going to be really

(01:45:24):
difficult to stay up in the Premier League for those teams,
and it's going to become increasingly more difficult when even
the likes of Brighton can now spend one hundred and
twenty to one hundred and fifty million pounds on players.
It's so hard to catch up. Every point is going
to be vital. But that first home game a great bounce,
great energy about Portman Road. As you say, twenty two
years since they were last in this league. So it

(01:45:46):
was a tough one. But Liverpool just went through the gears.
And they've got most Sala who always seems to score
an open day. They've got McAlister, the Sabba Slie looks
like he's fit. They've got Diogo Jotta for as long
as he stays fit, they'll score goals. They can make
changes with quality coming off the bench, so they would improve.
I think they made a couple of signings, they'll becoming
honest team. I think they may be pressed higher than

(01:46:08):
we've seen in the last couple of years and played slightly,
not recklessly, I think that's the wrong word, but there'll
be a bit more cavalionis to Liverpool by the look
at what we saw today. But yeah, look, it's not
an honest lot team yet. We're weeks and weeks away.
A bit like West Ham, a bit like Man United.
I'd wait till week twelve, week thirteen to really get
a beat on this team because they are going to
be different.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
All right, quick, look a here, Tom, It's okay. Four
time defending champions Man City lives at Chelsea tomorrow, game
of the round probably. How are City placed fourth? I
can't even believe I'm saying this an unprecedented fifth title
in a row.

Speaker 22 (01:46:41):
You know, City are.

Speaker 9 (01:46:42):
Probably as interesting right now as there've been at any
point in the last four or five years. You know,
I'm bored of them. I find them tedious to watch
and I would like Guardiola to leave. You know, I'm
happy to accept he's the greatest coach of all time
with a stacked squad, and he's too good for us.
He's just too good. He's too good. They're too good.
Take the Golden Premier League Trophy, take the belt, retire

(01:47:04):
it whatever, just go and don't come back, because you're
kind of killing it in many ways that he's the
greatest coach ever, right, Fine, take the badge. The issues
which make them interesting for me is that, a this
is likely to be Guardiola's last season. I think he's
intimated several times he isn't going to renew an extend
and that'll be like a decade at city. That feels
like it's probably enough for everybody involved. There are players

(01:47:27):
like Julian Alvarezo has left, as others have left saying
they can't continue to work at this intensity, and you
know rahiem Sterling and one or two others. You look
at this golden generation of players. Kevin de Burner is
getting old, Walker is getting old, John Stone is getting old.
They're going to need to do a huge rejuvenation coming
up in the next couple of years. And then of

(01:47:48):
course in September the hearings about one hundred and fifteen
charges start and then after we've had the hearings and
there is a resolution in one way or the other.
You can bet your last dollar that city are going
to appeal and appeal and appeal and appeal again, and
we are going to be stuck in courtroom hell with
this for a long long time to come. And that's
if they're found guilty, and they've found innocent, and we

(01:48:10):
hope they are, then it's a whole other kettle of fish.
But either way, I think that city are on for
an historic end of an era campaign and I think
that may well spur them on for another ninety plus
point season. If you get that, then you're going to
be champions more than nightly, just briefly as well. On
this game tomorrow or on Sunday. Chelsea, what on earth?

(01:48:34):
What in the flying squirrel are we going to get?
I have absolutely no idea. The manager, you know, has
never managed at top flight level before. He's been assistant
to Pellegrini at west Ham and Guardiola at Man City
and now he's managing Chelsea is basket case club with
fifty five senior players in their squad, of which forty

(01:48:57):
four are still at Stanford Bridge or Cobham training, where
they have to name a twenty five man squad plus
additionals who are development or whatever. There was a story
in The Athletic which was players were getting chained in
the corridor because there was not enough room in dressing
rooms to get ready. They've since expanded the squad from
that point. I don't get it. I don't understand it.

(01:49:20):
I don'gee how it's practical. I don'ge how Maresca as
a novice is going to handle it. Who knows it
might be amazing. They might beat City five nil, or
they might lose five nil, or Gord knows what they're
going to be fascinating to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
I'll tell you that I love it, Tom. Always love
tending football with you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Here we are week one of a long season. Let's
catch up again soon.

Speaker 9 (01:49:41):
Don't get too down in the dumps until week ten.
Everyone stay was it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
I love it Tom? Thanks mate.

Speaker 13 (01:49:46):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Renny had a talkSPORT in the UK. So if him
Menu won Fulham nil, love Apaol beating up switch to nil.
Great to see him switch Town back in the Premier
League after over two decades away. Arsenal two nil one
is over Wolves Newcastle one Southampton nil. Southampon back in
the Premier League. If it to nil, Brighton three in
Forest and Bournemouth drawing one all West Ham one Eston Villa.
Two games to come tomorrow morning one o'clock Brentford host

(01:50:08):
Crystal Palace three thirty. It's that Chelsea Manchester City game
and then Leicester who had a season out of the
Premier League only to bunce straight back in. They host
Tottenham Tuesday morning at seven o'clock. New Zealand time. Having
a quick look around the live sport that's happening in
New Zealand right now. Bunning's MPC Bay of plenty five
North Harbor three after twenty eight minutes at Todonga and

(01:50:31):
Wellington five Taranaki twelve currently after the same amount of
time at Pottydoor Park. Checking on the Farrh Palmer Cup.
This game being played in christ Church Rugby Park and
christ Church in terrible conditions are Canterbury three mill ahead
of white Cuttle. Later on this afternoon in the Bunnings MPC,
it'll be white Cuttle traveling to Pukakoe to take on

(01:50:53):
Caddy's Manico Ben O'Keefe is the referee and he will
break a long standing first class refereeing record when he
controls this one we'll tell you more about that and
chat to the man himself, Ben o'keef when we come back.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
Questions off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes,
New Zealand's most Trusted.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Home Builder News two forty on Weekend Sport. A long
standing first class refereeing record is to be broken this afternoon.
Ben O'Keeffe is in charge of the NPC rugby match
between Counties Monaco and White Cuttle in Pokacoe, kicking off
around four thirty. It'll be Ben o'keeff's two hundred and
twenty second top level fifteen's game, passing Patti O'Brien's two

(01:51:36):
hundred and twenty one. That record has stood since two
thousand and five. Ben o'keeff joins us on the wad
of the game. I think congrats on the milestone.

Speaker 15 (01:51:44):
Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Can you remember game number one two twenty two this afternoon?
Can you remember game number one?

Speaker 20 (01:51:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:51:51):
Thanks Piney.

Speaker 20 (01:51:52):
Game number one was a long time goo now, but
I do remember. It was on the West Coast. I
was doing a Heartland game and I was pretty young Bicknness,
learning my trade and craft. But it almost didn't go
ahead because of the there and I think it was
a bit of hail, but it was nothing. Nothing soften
me getting on that field to do that match. And

(01:52:13):
it was in twenty more since then, so it's been awesome,
it's been I'm really grateful.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
So two hundred and twenty two and counting this afternoon.
How much does this milestone mean to you? The fact
that you'll be you know, the highest highest controlling referee
in New Zealand history.

Speaker 20 (01:52:32):
I think it mainly, like you know, when I realized
that I was going to reach that milestone this week,
it just makes me reflect on, you know, the referees.

Speaker 15 (01:52:38):
That have gone before.

Speaker 20 (01:52:40):
Obviously Poo O'Brien massive and you know, it was a
big part of me when I started young himself, Colin Hawk,
and I've had a lot of not just referees who
have coached me or I've been you know, working with,
you know, people that have just really assisted me throughout
the game the whole time. So it's sort of made
me just reflect im the help that I've got along
the way, because it's been a big part of my
life in part of games, and I abouly love it

(01:53:02):
and how they get to two hundred and twenty two,
I sort of feel like there's a bit of responsibility
to keep going and you know, do even better job
for the next hundred and twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I can brilliant, great stuff. What is behind your longevity
at the very top level, do you think?

Speaker 20 (01:53:20):
Look, I've had a lot of good support while I've
been refereeing, but I do think that I'm a bit
of a like, I'm a student of the game. I
actually love rugby and I'm always trying to work on
the things that I can get bit after every single
game I'm reviewing them. You know, I'm really diligent about
how I watch my games afterwards and then what do
for a week two get better? So I feel like

(01:53:40):
I've been able to just grow after each game to
do that, And that's what I always tell other referees
and when our refereeing games is you know, you've always
got to learn. There's always something you can take out
of a match that it can make you better for
the next game that you do. So I feel like
that's probably been a big part of it and something
that I'll just I'll continue withus on my journey.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
When you're doing a review, what is it that you're
watching for.

Speaker 6 (01:54:02):
A lot of it.

Speaker 20 (01:54:02):
I mean there's a lot of detail just around the
decisions that I make correct, clear and obvious. What decisions
did I miss? And then things like how was my
positioning in the game? Could I have been better? The
way that I communicate with players, was that a correct
escalation process? About to give alow card? So all these
things that make your game understandable not just for the players,

(01:54:25):
but for the you know, the spectators and people watching
the game as well. I want it to be really
clear to them how I'm officiating and controlling.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
The match, and amongst those two hundred and twenty two
or two hundred and twenty one up till now, you've
controlled some massive matches Rugby World Cup semi finals. Do
you still get a buzz out of referring provincial rugby?

Speaker 20 (01:54:45):
Oh? Absolutely? Singles sort of go down my spine now
just thinking about, you know, the games that or got
coming up that you know, even just heading down the
book to covery like I almost feel like it. Even
though I've done some massive games like Line Series and
Rugby World Cups, you know you feel more pressure, you know,
doing NBC provincial games, doing Super rugby games because you know,
there is there's an expectation should need to do a really,

(01:55:07):
really good job, and I love that. I also love
the environment of going in and you know, I have
some young assistant referees, some new tmos that I can
work with, but also just the environment around. You know,
there's a little bit of an afternet to an NBC
game too, So those types of things I do find
more pressured because I want to do a really good job,

(01:55:28):
but I also love the environment around how everyone can
just enjoy it after the game as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
How much responsibility responsibility, Ben, do you feel for nurturing
the next way you talked about some young officials. There
is that a responsibility that you take seriously.

Speaker 20 (01:55:41):
Yeah, but Hurricane, that's one of the biggest things that
I'm sort of running towards now.

Speaker 17 (01:55:44):
I guess the.

Speaker 20 (01:55:45):
Responsibility that I want. And you know, the game is
trying to work itself out of a whole internationally al
so regionally as well. We're trying to get people that
love the sport and I think a small part of
that is the referees and how we manage games, referee
games and allow people to understand the decisions that we're making,
So I feel a bit of responsibility to help that

(01:56:07):
drive to improve the game, and also like I want to,
I want to be a leader and show the next
generation of young men and woman referees hopefully how to
do it my way and then hopefully they can get
better than me and and you know, go on to
the inspecial stagids be absolutely fantastic, which is you know
where we were out at the moment was really really

(01:56:27):
promising and really awesome referee at their level, and I
hope that would give many, many more and you know
they can sort of surpass me and then lead the
way after fi I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Well, you take the record from Patty O'Brien you mentioned
that before, but can can you just give us a
bit of an insight into into the assistance he's given
you and the trial that he blazed for referees.

Speaker 20 (01:56:45):
Well, he had a professional referee, you know, him, along
with Colin Hawk, showed that you know it could be
the job can be or personally a full time professional role,
and you know that it can be a job that
has taken very seriously and that to be to be
able to have long jevity, you have to work hard,
not just on the field and how you you know,

(01:57:05):
you move like. He was a very physically active referee,
was really really fast, the way that he managed players.
You know, it was something that you know, when we
were younger, we always sort of aspired to it. We
would take parts of what Paddy did, parts of what
Colin Hawke did, parts of what guys like Chris Pollock,
Bryce Lawrence ken Jackson did, and we'll try and mold
the best of that into how we refereed. So now,

(01:57:26):
all those referees that have gone before me, I've watched them,
and you know, I've studied them and taken a piece
of what they do really well and tried to include
in the game that I or how I referee.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
How much has the officiating of the game changed during
these two hundred and twenty one games.

Speaker 20 (01:57:43):
Yeah, well, look, if I think back to right at
the start, you know, we go through just the number
of camera angles that are there in the games, the
use of the TMO and the procol around what the
TMO can come in for and what they can't come
in for, and even more recently, just the law changes
to try and make the game faster also safe with
the players so all of that has helped, I think,

(01:58:06):
and grow into the right direction, and it's going to
keep it's going to continue to do that. And what
I love is that over the last few years, players, coaches,
you know, key stakeholders in the game have also been
collaborating with referees to try and make that game better
for every run too. So I think it's changed a
lot over the two hunred and twenty two games, as

(01:58:27):
certainly I can remember, I've helped to change. I feel
like it's gone in the right direction. So it's exciting
to still be a part of it because I think
we can actually go a lot further than making a
game that we love, you know, more more enjoyable for
other parts of the world as well. So I think
it's pretty exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
Can you still watch a game of rugby as a
fan without refereeing it from the stand or from your couch?

Speaker 26 (01:58:49):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:58:50):
No, I think I was five games five games in
and that kind of stopped me, unfortunately. And I feel
sorry for any any close friends and family as well,
because I think they sort of fixed on watching the
referee too now. But me, no, I always I've always
sort of watching a game and you know, even though,
and I can really enjoy, you know, watching the all
backs of a fan, I'm definitely looking at where the

(01:59:11):
referees positioned and for the sisions that they make and
the replays that come on the big screen as well.
So and I enjoy it. But you know, it's a
fascinating part of the game. When I'm sort of sitting
in the stands or I'm sitting on the couch watching
watching a game of rugby, I can, I can get
a bit loud.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
I think I don't believe that I do. So two
twenty two this afternoon. What do you reckon the final
number will be?

Speaker 20 (01:59:35):
Look, I don't know. I think I'm thirty five now.
And if you look at sort of the age of
you know, some some of the top referees that sort
of continued into their sort of late forties, I'd love
to I'd love to continue for another few World Cups. Obviously,
we're a World Cup coming in Australia, the US after that,
and then you know, potentially out.

Speaker 5 (01:59:53):
There as well.

Speaker 20 (01:59:53):
But yeah, look, the body is really good right now.
I feel like I'm really contributing well to the game,
friends really well as well. So and also I feel
like you know, there's sort of still a lot of
stuff I can then and get better at. So I
hope the runways quite long. I'm keen to stay part
of the game because it's a privilege to be better
run on any sort of field, not just around the world,

(02:00:16):
but you know, especially in New Zealand. You know, right
from Super Rugby npceed and to Club Rugby. You know,
it's it's awesome. So yeah, look, I'm hoping, I'm hoping
it's it's a long one, but it's not because you know,
we've got a lot of young refrees coming up and
they take over me and that's fine as well. I
would have left it in a good place.

Speaker 24 (02:00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Well, I'm sure there's a bit to come and join
number two to two too this afternoon. Ben, thanks for
chatting and we'll catch up again.

Speaker 15 (02:00:40):
So good bye, no, thank you mate.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
That has been O'Keefe on his way to referee his
two hundred and twenty second first class game of fifteen's
passing Patty O'Brien's two twenty one that record dating back
to two thousand and five. Updating you on the games
that I honor. At the moment, they have plenty of
lead North Harbor twelve ten at halftime in Todonga. There's
been quite a lengthy stoppage and potty door while he'm
up or Cunningham is attended to quite a serious injury

(02:01:04):
by the looks of it. So there still thirty two
and a half minutes. The game's been stopped for the
best part of ten minutes actually, so let's hope I'm
morepor Cunningham is okay. The Tatarannaki number eight. They're just
getting back underway now. Tadahaky twelve five ahead of Wellington
with seven and a half minutes to go halftime in
the Fara Palmer Cup in christ Church as well, Wake

(02:01:25):
up all lead Canterbury seven points to three. Quick email
from Leon always enjoy your thoughts Leon, thanks for giving
them some voice fire email Piney. The AB's great last night,
especially in that first half despite the tricky weather conditions.
The Box will be a much tougher challenge though, especially
upfront and at set peace time. Can't wait for it though.
Also d'orsagna against Duplus today will certainly be worth the

(02:01:49):
admission price. I'm picking the Style Bender to win an
unpressed entered third Midway title in what should be an
epic fight. These guys really can't stand each other and
this will be spicy. I'm picking easy to win a
close one. Thank you, Leon, I appreciate it very much.
Nine away from three News Talks he'd.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
Be breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails
weekends for it with Jason Pine News Talk zemb just on.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Six away from three. That's pretty much us for another weekend.
Don't worry, we'll keep you updated across the afternoon as
part of our sports news bulletins with the rugby the
NRAL when that gets underway, and of course UFC three
oh five with a number of kiwis involved, including the
headlined act Israel Ardisgna who fights I would look, I'm
just guessing here, but I think around four thirty five

(02:02:35):
o'clock probably is when he'll take to the ring against
Dricus Duplessy. We'll keep you, as I say, right up
to date with it. Tip Beverage on the radio after
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We appreciate you taking the time to call or to text,
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appreciate them very much. Taking us out today with the
exception by the sounds of it of Mber Carglan Hawks Babe,
the rest of the country is being subjected to quite
a bit of rain at the moment, quite a bit
of wet, wet, wet, you might say, Andy, Andy, shaking

(02:03:18):
his head at my use of this very tenuous link.
I do like the band though, and I've enjoyed the weekend,
even though it rained at Eden Park last night, enjoyed
the rugby very much. And look, as they always say,
it's good for the gardens, good for the garden. With
a tiny play the song this is a sweet little

(02:03:39):
Mystery by Wet Wet Wet, Taking us out see Tomorrow
Night Morrison, Tap Time, Tap.

Speaker 5 (02:04:38):
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