August 31, 2024 • 10 mins
Springbok legend Breyton Paulse is no stranger to success against the All Blacks at Ellis Park.
20 years ago he scored a try in a 40-26 win over the All Blacks in the 2004 Tri Nations.
He joined Piney to discuss the upcoming test between the All Blacks and Springboks at Ellis Park.
“I know New Zealand is going through a bit of a rough patch and, and we as Springbok players and ex-Springbok players, we can never write them off.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason nine
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
ZEDB African View though on this test match from an
absolute spring Box legend exceptional wing Brighton Paulser played sixty
four test matches for the spring Box between nineteen ninety
nine and two thousand and seven, went to the nineteen
ninety nine and two thousand and three Rugby World Cups.
His lightning pace and acute game awareness saw him become
(00:33):
one of the most prolific try scorers in the modern era.
Twenty six tries across his sixty four Test matches, including
this one against the All Blacks and a forty twenty
six win at Alice Park in two thousand and four
to two merchants.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Miliainas Weld tackled their well red their bark rats.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Of Pulsa Kunradi and Monty's got it can Munty.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Petala Petas.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, famous try by Paulser and a victory at Alice Park.
He also scored thirty eight tries in eighty one games
for his loved Stormers. Following his playing career, he became
a popular commentator, presenter and analyst. Brighton Pauls as well
as how are you mate?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Thanks alling me, Jays.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I tell you what the excitement is an advocate at
the moment, it's unreal. I wish it could be here
to experience what we experienced At the moment. It feels
like building up to the World Cup Final of last
year and obviously we all know what happened, but there's
huge excitement. But I can tell you one thing that
there's no underestimating from the Springboks.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You know, for the All Blacks.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I mean we all know that even though the All
Blacks haven't hit their steps, in my opinion, I think
there's lots of room for improvement. There's mutual respect and
it's a quiet sort of nervousness amongst the fans especially.
So I tell you what, even me, I'm a little
bit nervous when the Springboks going in as favorites.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We don't like that. We like to be in any
kind of game.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, it's a rare feeling is you're knowing for the
All Blacks because they more often than not our favorites.
But like I think everybody body can say what happened
in the Rugby World Cup Final and can see what's
happened in twenty twenty four, right not be interested in
your view on the spring Box of twenty twenty four.
I've heard it suggested they're a better team than the
one that won the Rugby World Cup. What's your assessment
on that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, they are and purely because you guys borrowed us
Tony Brown. He's been doing some great work behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And let me tell you, when you look at stats,
and obviously when we have to prepare for rugby games,
you look at kind of stats. Not that it will
make a big difference, but one step that's quite remarkable
is the amount of passing that the Springboks have been
doing compared to previous years. And I think they kind
of earned the respect and that's why another master stroke
by Russy at Asthmas bringing in Tony Brown purely for
(02:50):
the attacking game for the spring Box which has been lacking.
If you have the likes of Chest and Colby, Macazolimpimpy
Curtly Oul answer, you want to get the ball into
those fellows' hands. They do create danger, they do create
playos and that's what you want all the time. But
saying that the World Cup, we want it because we
are so good in our de fensive system and we
(03:11):
pressurize teams and we are so well conditioned. The last
ten minutes the boys go up another notch and other
teams sort of crack. They can put it that way.
So the attacking flare of what Tony Brown is blow
to the steam. They not they yet, it's work in progress,
but they don't mind having a go when it's on,
like the Orblets you know of ten years ago when
(03:32):
they were unstoppable and throwing the ball around. When they
really soften up the guys upfront.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
One thing that we know we're always going to get
from South African side is physicality. And you've talked there
about the perhaps more expansive attacking game, but it's the
physicality of the spring box forward pack in particular, still
at the heart of what they do.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yes, that's their core and that's what they believe in.
I think that's the uniqueness of any South African team,
whether you're playing in the lower divisions or whether you
play at the URC level or Super Rugby level. So
Afican teams, first and foremost, the guys want to scrum,
they want to rock, they want to mall, they want to.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Bully, people, so that will never go away.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But now you're adding the likes of Jesse Krill, Dami Dallende.
Upper lef Fussy are answering Kolby's. Those guys want to
run the ball and it must be fustraining for them
at times just to chase balls.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And they're doing it so well.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
But now when it's on they will give a call
from the outside and the ball will go to the wingers.
Their first try Upper ll Fuzzy against the Australian team.
I was extin studio that day and we analyzed it
and back in the day or last year, when they
turn over ball they will kick it away. Now it's
going through the hands, from props, from locks, to the
(04:42):
wingers and to the outside channel. So that is quite
exciting from a sergifican's perspective, but it's they're not there yet.
They know they will need to work at what Tony
Brown will probably take a year for them to get
the balance right. I think it's all about the balance
and people like this team because now you know, I
always say it's a chairman of the little men. Little
guys also get opportunities likely and Jason Kobe, so that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
These guys are absolutely year at the moment. Inside Africa.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
First is an interesting one. He's say now gone past
Willie la Robe as the first choice fall back.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that as yet.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
If you look again at his stats u LC, he
was first in terms of line breaks, meters, made all
that beautiful stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But I think he's worked on his abiel skills.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
He worked on little sort of shortcomings that the coaching
staff required of him. And I think in a difficult
season for him at the Sharks, Sharks had so many
spring books, but they kept losing in the ULC.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
They were our worst team, the biggest budget. It didn't
win for them.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
So Apille fast he was the one shining light in
the Sharks team. And I think Russi Rasmas when when
a player is so good, when he is in so
much good form, they tend to stick with him the
same like Sasha find Look and Gomo Zulu. I'll tell
you what, James, I'm just surprised at a check to
his dad the other day. I can't believe how calm
(06:01):
that that that young man is. He's absolutely calm. It's
almost like he's been waiting for this moment and he
belongs there. He's really taken like a duck to water.
And it's quite incredible to see when young players come
into the side, they just enjoy the environment and they
thrive under those pressure situations because, as you know, like
New Zealand, South African fans are ruthles.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, if you don't perform, they want you out.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But at the moment, we're going through a good time
and it's been like that for the last five six
years and people just love it. There's no single ticket, jays,
I tell you people are mates of one are still
phoning me.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'm getting upset. There's no single ticket.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And I tell you what, even next week, if South
Africa had two stadiums, Oh, there was a stadium that
could take one hundred and fifty thousand people, it would
have been sold on tape.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Tom also is waiting in the wings. But this week
it's going to be incredible.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The weather today is a bit chili, but tomorrow should
be fine and altitude is going to play a role.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
We're all so excited. Hope you guys do.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Oh, we really are. I can sense it in your voice. Brighton.
I want to ask you about the altitude thing because
of course you were basemainly in Cape Town with the
Stormers during your career when you had to go to
Altitude to Pretoria to Joe Berg, did you feel the
effects of it?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes, oh yes, oh yes. It does play a role.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But we're living in modern times and science plays a
big role these days. We look at I was covering
the ULC final when the Blue Bulls played the Glasgow
Warriors and let me tell you, Altitude didn't play it
all the day. In fact, it was reversed the last
twenty minutes Glasgow were out of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
They up the speed and they took the game away.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
From the Bulls and they ultimately won the game. Coming
back to two years ago, we came from Umbumbela where
the Box were in control. They beat your blogs coming
not easily, but they were in.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Control for the whole game.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
We went to Els Park, you guys came played a
high tempo, high paced game and I feel, I feel
if the Old Blacks do have a chance in beating
the Box, they need to start running from the beginning
and get that out of your system. When we used
to play the Lions at Ellis Park, we used to
go very hard the first fifteen minutes in terms of
(08:10):
throwing the ball around, so you can get that what
we call that second wind. Uh and and and for me,
that is key for the All Blex. And I know Razor,
I've got so much respect fromim. Played against him many
a time, you know, and I do feel is a
really credible coach. And he's still trying to find his feet.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But he came to South.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Africa lots and he played the lots, he coached their lots,
he won their lots, he had success their lots. So
for me, if the O Blicks stands to stand the chance,
they need to go hard that first twenty minutes, just
throw the ball around and see what the box can do.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Encountering that as a spring Box player and now as
a as a spring Box fan and speaking for all
spring Box fans, I guess Brighton, is there still something
special about the black jersey about playing against the All Blacks?
Was there for you when you were a spring Box player?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yes, oh yes still still. I know New Zealand's going
through a bit of a rock patch, and.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
We as Springbok players and x Spinbok players, we can
never write them off. That is the talk from you know,
X spring Box and Analyst and guys who actually who's
actually been there a wounded All Blacks, like a wounded Springbok.
When those guys are angry, they come at you with desperation,
and that means they have ever chance. So you know,
(09:22):
even when I became a Springbok, I look at the calendar,
I'm like, okay, when I'm playing the All Blacks, you know,
you can't kind of we can't wait to play the
Old Blacks. And I'm sure the same for the All Blocks.
So the rivalry is back to where it was supposed
to be, like you know, like hundred the last hundred years.
And I think there's wonderful And because the ol Blecks
to a certain extent are building in a sort of
phase where they not sure what to do week in
(09:45):
and week out, but we would not underestimate the All
Black team. The respect is absolutely insane. And I think
from a South African perspective, you know people also, I
mean capet On, charl You you guys got so many
fans in Cape Town for instance, so the All Blecks
will feel they.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Played home next week. So it shows you that the
mutual respect is there. And we love to see it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, we love to said as well, Braton. I've just
so enjoyed chatting to you and getting a sense of
the occasion over there. We're very envious on the side
of the world that we can't get up close and personal,
but we'll be watching from afar and really curious to
see what happens. Really appreciate you taking the time to
join us across New Zealand today.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Thank you, Jas, and enjoy the game.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You enjoyed the game too, Breton, Breton Pulse the top man. Jeez,
you can just feel the excitement, can't you. Texts here here,
I'm getting goosebumps just listening to this chat, I am too.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk said B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason nine
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
ZEDB African View though on this test match from an
absolute spring Box legend exceptional wing Brighton Paulser played sixty
four test matches for the spring Box between nineteen ninety
nine and two thousand and seven, went to the nineteen
ninety nine and two thousand and three Rugby World Cups.
His lightning pace and acute game awareness saw him become
(00:33):
one of the most prolific try scorers in the modern era.
Twenty six tries across his sixty four Test matches, including
this one against the All Blacks and a forty twenty
six win at Alice Park in two thousand and four
to two merchants.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Miliainas Weld tackled their well red their bark rats.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Of Pulsa Kunradi and Monty's got it can Munty.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Petala Petas.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, famous try by Paulser and a victory at Alice Park.
He also scored thirty eight tries in eighty one games
for his loved Stormers. Following his playing career, he became
a popular commentator, presenter and analyst. Brighton Pauls as well
as how are you mate?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Thanks alling me, Jays.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I tell you what the excitement is an advocate at
the moment, it's unreal. I wish it could be here
to experience what we experienced At the moment. It feels
like building up to the World Cup Final of last
year and obviously we all know what happened, but there's
huge excitement. But I can tell you one thing that
there's no underestimating from the Springboks.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You know, for the All Blacks.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I mean we all know that even though the All
Blacks haven't hit their steps, in my opinion, I think
there's lots of room for improvement. There's mutual respect and
it's a quiet sort of nervousness amongst the fans especially.
So I tell you what, even me, I'm a little
bit nervous when the Springboks going in as favorites.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We don't like that. We like to be in any
kind of game.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, it's a rare feeling is you're knowing for the
All Blacks because they more often than not our favorites.
But like I think everybody body can say what happened
in the Rugby World Cup Final and can see what's
happened in twenty twenty four, right not be interested in
your view on the spring Box of twenty twenty four.
I've heard it suggested they're a better team than the
one that won the Rugby World Cup. What's your assessment
on that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, they are and purely because you guys borrowed us
Tony Brown. He's been doing some great work behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And let me tell you, when you look at stats,
and obviously when we have to prepare for rugby games,
you look at kind of stats. Not that it will
make a big difference, but one step that's quite remarkable
is the amount of passing that the Springboks have been
doing compared to previous years. And I think they kind
of earned the respect and that's why another master stroke
by Russy at Asthmas bringing in Tony Brown purely for
(02:50):
the attacking game for the spring Box which has been lacking.
If you have the likes of Chest and Colby, Macazolimpimpy
Curtly Oul answer, you want to get the ball into
those fellows' hands. They do create danger, they do create
playos and that's what you want all the time. But
saying that the World Cup, we want it because we
are so good in our de fensive system and we
(03:11):
pressurize teams and we are so well conditioned. The last
ten minutes the boys go up another notch and other
teams sort of crack. They can put it that way.
So the attacking flare of what Tony Brown is blow
to the steam. They not they yet, it's work in progress,
but they don't mind having a go when it's on,
like the Orblets you know of ten years ago when
(03:32):
they were unstoppable and throwing the ball around. When they
really soften up the guys upfront.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
One thing that we know we're always going to get
from South African side is physicality. And you've talked there
about the perhaps more expansive attacking game, but it's the
physicality of the spring box forward pack in particular, still
at the heart of what they do.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yes, that's their core and that's what they believe in.
I think that's the uniqueness of any South African team,
whether you're playing in the lower divisions or whether you
play at the URC level or Super Rugby level. So
Afican teams, first and foremost, the guys want to scrum,
they want to rock, they want to mall, they want to.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Bully, people, so that will never go away.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But now you're adding the likes of Jesse Krill, Dami Dallende.
Upper lef Fussy are answering Kolby's. Those guys want to
run the ball and it must be fustraining for them
at times just to chase balls.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And they're doing it so well.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
But now when it's on they will give a call
from the outside and the ball will go to the wingers.
Their first try Upper ll Fuzzy against the Australian team.
I was extin studio that day and we analyzed it
and back in the day or last year, when they
turn over ball they will kick it away. Now it's
going through the hands, from props, from locks, to the
(04:42):
wingers and to the outside channel. So that is quite
exciting from a sergifican's perspective, but it's they're not there yet.
They know they will need to work at what Tony
Brown will probably take a year for them to get
the balance right. I think it's all about the balance
and people like this team because now you know, I
always say it's a chairman of the little men. Little
guys also get opportunities likely and Jason Kobe, so that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
These guys are absolutely year at the moment. Inside Africa.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
First is an interesting one. He's say now gone past
Willie la Robe as the first choice fall back.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that as yet.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
If you look again at his stats u LC, he
was first in terms of line breaks, meters, made all
that beautiful stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But I think he's worked on his abiel skills.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
He worked on little sort of shortcomings that the coaching
staff required of him. And I think in a difficult
season for him at the Sharks, Sharks had so many
spring books, but they kept losing in the ULC.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
They were our worst team, the biggest budget. It didn't
win for them.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
So Apille fast he was the one shining light in
the Sharks team. And I think Russi Rasmas when when
a player is so good, when he is in so
much good form, they tend to stick with him the
same like Sasha find Look and Gomo Zulu. I'll tell
you what, James, I'm just surprised at a check to
his dad the other day. I can't believe how calm
(06:01):
that that that young man is. He's absolutely calm. It's
almost like he's been waiting for this moment and he
belongs there. He's really taken like a duck to water.
And it's quite incredible to see when young players come
into the side, they just enjoy the environment and they
thrive under those pressure situations because, as you know, like
New Zealand, South African fans are ruthles.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, if you don't perform, they want you out.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But at the moment, we're going through a good time
and it's been like that for the last five six
years and people just love it. There's no single ticket, jays,
I tell you people are mates of one are still
phoning me.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'm getting upset. There's no single ticket.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And I tell you what, even next week, if South
Africa had two stadiums, Oh, there was a stadium that
could take one hundred and fifty thousand people, it would
have been sold on tape.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Tom also is waiting in the wings. But this week
it's going to be incredible.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The weather today is a bit chili, but tomorrow should
be fine and altitude is going to play a role.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
We're all so excited. Hope you guys do.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Oh, we really are. I can sense it in your voice. Brighton.
I want to ask you about the altitude thing because
of course you were basemainly in Cape Town with the
Stormers during your career when you had to go to
Altitude to Pretoria to Joe Berg, did you feel the
effects of it?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes, oh yes, oh yes. It does play a role.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But we're living in modern times and science plays a
big role these days. We look at I was covering
the ULC final when the Blue Bulls played the Glasgow
Warriors and let me tell you, Altitude didn't play it
all the day. In fact, it was reversed the last
twenty minutes Glasgow were out of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
They up the speed and they took the game away.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
From the Bulls and they ultimately won the game. Coming
back to two years ago, we came from Umbumbela where
the Box were in control. They beat your blogs coming
not easily, but they were in.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Control for the whole game.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
We went to Els Park, you guys came played a
high tempo, high paced game and I feel, I feel
if the Old Blacks do have a chance in beating
the Box, they need to start running from the beginning
and get that out of your system. When we used
to play the Lions at Ellis Park, we used to
go very hard the first fifteen minutes in terms of
(08:10):
throwing the ball around, so you can get that what
we call that second wind. Uh and and and for me,
that is key for the All Blex. And I know Razor,
I've got so much respect fromim. Played against him many
a time, you know, and I do feel is a
really credible coach. And he's still trying to find his feet.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But he came to South.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Africa lots and he played the lots, he coached their lots,
he won their lots, he had success their lots. So
for me, if the O Blicks stands to stand the chance,
they need to go hard that first twenty minutes, just
throw the ball around and see what the box can do.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Encountering that as a spring Box player and now as
a as a spring Box fan and speaking for all
spring Box fans, I guess Brighton, is there still something
special about the black jersey about playing against the All Blacks?
Was there for you when you were a spring Box player?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yes, oh yes still still. I know New Zealand's going
through a bit of a rock patch, and.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
We as Springbok players and x Spinbok players, we can
never write them off. That is the talk from you know,
X spring Box and Analyst and guys who actually who's
actually been there a wounded All Blacks, like a wounded Springbok.
When those guys are angry, they come at you with desperation,
and that means they have ever chance. So you know,
(09:22):
even when I became a Springbok, I look at the calendar,
I'm like, okay, when I'm playing the All Blacks, you know,
you can't kind of we can't wait to play the
Old Blacks. And I'm sure the same for the All Blocks.
So the rivalry is back to where it was supposed
to be, like you know, like hundred the last hundred years.
And I think there's wonderful And because the ol Blecks
to a certain extent are building in a sort of
phase where they not sure what to do week in
(09:45):
and week out, but we would not underestimate the All
Black team. The respect is absolutely insane. And I think
from a South African perspective, you know people also, I
mean capet On, charl You you guys got so many
fans in Cape Town for instance, so the All Blecks
will feel they.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Played home next week. So it shows you that the
mutual respect is there. And we love to see it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, we love to said as well, Braton. I've just
so enjoyed chatting to you and getting a sense of
the occasion over there. We're very envious on the side
of the world that we can't get up close and personal,
but we'll be watching from afar and really curious to
see what happens. Really appreciate you taking the time to
join us across New Zealand today.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Thank you, Jas, and enjoy the game.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You enjoyed the game too, Breton, Breton Pulse the top man. Jeez,
you can just feel the excitement, can't you. Texts here here,
I'm getting goosebumps just listening to this chat, I am too.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk said B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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