Full Show Podcast: 1 September 2024

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Tromp ten points down, Tromp back and beat the York
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Speaker 4 (00:54):
One twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Bruising Test match in joe Burg this morning. The All
Black scored four tries to three. They led by ten
with twelve to go, but last thirty one twenty seven,
with South Africa scoring two late converted tries while New
Zealand had a man in the bin. All Black's assistant
coach Jason Holland shortly a South African viewpoint with rugby

(01:17):
journo Mark Keohane after one some of the postmatch thoughts
of a couple of All Blacks players two and your
reaction obviously to what played out at Allis Park this morning.
Lines open immediately as we unpack this test match. Other
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In on the line, Williams a bonnet.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Tuth Africa score and take the lead here. That's the
try that sealed a thirty one twenty seven victory for
the spring Box over the All Blacks at Alice Park
this morning. Shortly after the final whistle, I spoke with
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland to get his initial reaction.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Oh, obviously she was disappointed for the boys. Some massive
efforts out there, and yeah, just small parts of the
game with us down in the in the second half
there around you know a little bits of pressure cycles
where we don't win moments and let them into our half.
So my massive effort from the voice. So the main
things is disappointed for them.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
How much did the yellow card hurt you?

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Yeah, obviously it did.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Obviously the yellow card came from a lot of pressure
that they've been able to apply in our end, So
that sort of took the play.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
Yeah, definitely definitely took its toll.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
Obviously.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
You know they grew legged in and went to work up.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Front, and you know they were really solid in that
last ten twelve minutes.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And the stats say fourteen penalties to five. A lot
of those penalties from pressure. As you've mentioned, how big
a factor do you think that was?

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah, Like, obviously compounding penalties make it really tough, and
then then that results in the yellow and then you
got seven points and you know all sort of rolls
into one. But you know, little things we can do around.
You know, a couple of times we get down into
their end and a little simple things let let the
South Africans off the hock, or we could have maybe put.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
Them away with fifteen minutes to go, we felt.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
And then you know, not.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Being able to get out of their corner two or
three times as vital. So you know, those are the
little moments which which mean that the pressure just gets.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Too much for and ends up with yellow cards or penalties.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Did you feel in control when when Caleb Clark scored
a second try to make it twenty seven seventeen. Did
you feel in a pretty good place then?

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Oh, look, you never feel in control at this park
when you're not at all, But definitely we felt like,
you know where, it was a real opportunity to sort
of turn the screw.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Get out of where in the end.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
And then when we went down there, I think we're twelve,
We had a penalty and we kicked to the corner.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
If we'd have scored there, maybe it might have felt comfortable.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
But yeah, big moment where we don't we don't get
points and they camp on the other end and she's
not thirty four to what would have been you know
where we're We're not thirty four seventeen. We're now twenty
seven twenty four, So you know, massive swings and tight
moments in a Test match.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, you've talked a couple of times there about not
being able to get out from your own end. What's
the ideal strategy for that? Is it just better kicking?

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Oh, look, we've got to there's a little bit of
strategy involved in it, and there's making sure that yeah,
we get some execution to get to a start point
we're happy with. So yeah, it'll be definitely something we
work really hard at to make sure that we don't
give this this South African Fords easy ins to our
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, both sides kicked a lot tonight, Jase, how did
you assess the All Black skicking game tonight?

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Yeah? Look, at times really good.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
We were still going to be We still feel like
we've got to be a little bit braver and keep
the ball hand a little bit at times and and
get to get to edges a bit more. But yeah,
there was times in that first half I thought we
were really solid. We put pressure on with our kicking
game and mixed up our game and varied our game
pretty well. But as I say, when you play a
lot of your game and you in your own fifty,

(07:22):
you've got to find better ways to apply pressure at
the other end.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
How pleased were you though, with the moves that led
to Caleb Clark's two tries, in particular that the catch
and pass that led to those two tries.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, like we wanted to. We wanted to, you know,
attack when we had the opportunities. I think the first
one came from a really good set of d with
a good tackling, a really good turnover attack, and then
you know it was good to get a set piece
try there from from something we'd planned during the week,
So that that's that's excellent, and you know the big
moments in games as well, but you know there was

(07:56):
a bit of a theme with score points and then
better to get out of our end, as I'd say.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
So you can tell that's up most of my mind
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
It certainly can you know your referenced that I can'tule
of times so again without you know, I mean, it's
the game's only just finished. But what are the strategies
for that, Jase, what will you be looking at this
week as you head to Cape Town to try and
be better in that area?

Speaker 6 (08:19):
I was the.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Key thing is how do we want to give South
Africa the ball and what parts of the field.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
So obviously you don't want to give it to them
in the twenty two, but it's.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
More you know, where are we where are really comfortable
to defend from if we're going to give position away.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
So that's something that we'll be looking at really hard
during the week.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
So I thought a lot of our a lot of
our defense was really good today, you know, so we'll
just get really tight around around how, how and where
we give the South Aificans the ball to stop their
forwards getting that role on that they got on the
last fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
A lot to be made of their bench impact as well.
Did you think that was a factor.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Yeah, well, I thought that they all come on on
pretty early than now.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
I think it was forty three minutes. The old bomb
squad came on, and I think we dealt with that
pretty well. I think we were we were ten points
up with Court of Never Go, so we dealt with
that pretty well.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
And how guys.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Had come on, so I didn't didn't think that was
a major I didn't didn't feel like they made a
major impact.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Did you think the first South African try was a
knock on?

Speaker 5 (09:21):
I haven't seen it. It's a bit of check going around,
but I haven't seen. I couldn't see anything. I don't
know if there was no replay or something.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
I don't know. I didn't see it.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
But.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'll have maybe
I'll see that when we have a look at the
computer and said that was why what what are you reckonplaining?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Absolute knock on, Jess, honestly one hundred percent. He loses
it before the line, so yeah, no you've they've got
away with one there, right, Yeah, have a look at
it made. It's it's one hundred percent of knock on.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Hey, just they go both ways?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, very diplomatic. Hey, just before you go, how have
your reshuffled responsibilities this week with one fewer coach in
the setup?

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Oh yeah, just a little bits and pieces mate, we're all.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
Or doing a little bit extra and it's you know,
it hasn't hasn't hindered anything. So it's been. It's been okay.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
So I've just doned little bits and pieces here and
there for mainly for myself.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Comes and end, Scotty Henson.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Thanks for taking the call. Jay, Safe travels to Cape Town.
Look forward to the second test next week.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
Okay, thanks Bone see you mate.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's Jason Holland who I spoke to shortly after the
final whistle from from Alice Park. Your chance to react
to what you heard there or what you took away
from this morning's game at Alice Park and open the
lines on this I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
anything you want to react to or anything in particular
that stood out when you think back, what was it now,

(10:46):
six or seven hours ago, now the full time whistle
win or even longer, what is standing out to you?
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty bruising test match,
typical All Blacks spring box battle. The All Blacks, I think,
can be very proud of a lot of what they did.
They played some excellent rugby in the first hour of
that game, but unfortunate Lea South Africa just came over

(11:08):
the top of us in the last ten or fifteen minutes.
Helped hugely, hugely, of course by the yellow card to
offer talking the fussy. It's hard enough to hold a
team like that out with fifteen men, extremely challenging with
fourteen and as it turned out impossible with fourteen. Champion
teams just find a way to win, and this is
a champion South African side. They found a way, just

(11:29):
like they did in the Rugby World Cup semi last year.
They were fifteen six down with ten to play against England.
They won at sixteen to fifteen. That used to be
our trademark. Remember we've seen the All Blacks do it
plenty of times down the years. Come from behind to
win test matches find a way. This time it was
South Africa who did it now. As per usual, Test

(11:50):
matches between US and the spring Box are often decided
on moments, and I think one of the most crucial
little passages of play was early in the last quarter
of the game, twenty seven seventeen ahead. In the sixty
third minute, we got a penalty inside there twenty two
and look, I totally understand the rationale of kicking for

(12:12):
the line and I admire the intent of taking the
line out looking to score a try, which would have
made it what thirty two seventeen maybe thirty four to
seventeen the game's over. Unfortunately, we didn't get the set
piece right. The chance for points fizzled out. South Africa
get it, they run and then kick it all the
way down our end. Put pressure on at the line out.
Then a slightly high pass from Asafuwan more back to

(12:34):
Corteges latter moments, he doesn't quite have enough time to
get us kick away. It's charged down. We then give
away a penalty. They kick for the Lions darle a
line out drive offer talking the fast as yellow carded.
We're down to fourteen, they score and the game's changed. Look,
hindsight is as always a wonderful thing, a wonderful thing.
But taking the three points would have given us a

(12:55):
thirty points to seventeen lead. Instead of thirty seventeen, it
became twenty seven to twenty four South Africa. I've got
the momentum and a man advantage and they go on
to win the game. The other talking point, and just
before we go to the lines, and we've got to
talk about this, is that blatant knock on for South
Africa's first try. How on earth the TMO has missed

(13:18):
that is unexplainable, inexplicable, impossible to comprehend. At the very
very very least, there is doubt, but they didn't even
look at it. It sounds like sour grapes when you
talk about stuff like this, but with technology so often
a talking point and the acceptance that it's here to stay,

(13:39):
it needs to be hoosed used effectively. It wasn't. The
examination and confirmation of that try happened very very quickly.
The reft didn't even signal time off. The shot clock
kept going, and ironically enough, the conversion attempt was timed out.
But again, at the very least, there is doubt the
TMO needed to say to the referee we should have
a closer look at that. Now. Again, let's be very

(14:03):
very clear. It's not the reason we lost the game,
but it's it's something that shouldn't have happened. It should
not have happened. Weekendsport oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty twelve twenty one already a full board. If you
can't get through the first time, please try again. All right, Greg,
kick us off? What's on your mind?

Speaker 8 (14:23):
Thank god? You brought up about that shot at gold Piney.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, I mean, hindsight's wonderful. Hindsight's wonderful, Greg, isn't it?
But and it wasn't right in front? But I reckon,
you have a crack, don't you.

Speaker 9 (14:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (14:36):
I mean, like, do we learn nothing from the World Cup?

Speaker 10 (14:38):
You know?

Speaker 11 (14:39):
Three points or three points?

Speaker 8 (14:40):
The thing that really frustrates me at that point in
the game there were ten points up. It would have
been thirteen points up because it was it was a
pretty easy kick, and I mean you take the points
on the offer. They get a breezer for a couple
of minutes. The ball gets kicked back to them. You know,
everything's in their favor and your building score pressure against
to South Africans, and they start doing dumb things. You know,
I just can't understand the mentality sometimes and they don't
take those three points when they're on offer.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Again the ration la you think, yeah, yeah, are you correct? Yeah?
Again the rational I don't mind it. And even though
I've watched it back two or three times just to
check a couple of details, and even in the commentary,
Jeff Wilson says, like I admire the intents, and if
they had got the try and converted it, they're out
beyond that fourteen points the two converted tries, and would
be having a different conversation. But the fact remains thirty

(15:24):
seventeen is still a good lead.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
Yeah, I mean the pastry show is at most games
during the all backs, and Sillever won by about three
or four points, so you know, three points is critical.
Take the shots when they're on offer.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yes, indeed, I think if they had their time again,
they probably would. Greg they probably would. How do you
feel about Cape Town next week?

Speaker 8 (15:44):
I think they'll probably come out in one. Yeah, I
have my doubts about them. Today they actually played a
lot better than they were in that game for most
of the game. But I thought they were going to
really struggle, but they went.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, yeah, No, I thought they were good for an
hour or so, sixty five minutes. Thanks Greg. Yeah, that
was just yeah. Again, it's not the reason we lost,
but I just thought that was an interesting decision. You'd
see d Met going up even to Scott Bear and saying, oh,
I'll ever cracky you. But they made the decision. And
like I say, if they score a try from a
line out drive or from a move off a lineup,

(16:16):
we're having a different conversation. I just wonder whether you
take the points if they're there and suck a couple
of minutes up too. Charlie, Hi mate, Hey Jason, are
you doing good? Thank you mate. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (16:28):
I tend not to try and for instantly look at
things like that. I mean, I could see that, I
could understand it. I tend to be normally go for
the points. But we were in ascend and scene I
think that yeah, and the line out had gone great
all day. I think on the balance I liked it.
I wasn't screaming at the Telly take the three, but
obviously afterwards you're going to go why didn't you take

(16:50):
the three? It's right hindsight, Yeah, I think, like the commentators,
I was a little bit perplexed by some of the
late substitutions For me that you know, the two big
game breakers we had on that team from my OI
was Klea Clark and Jordan, and I don't think I

(17:11):
think bon had run out of path by then, and
I could see I tend to when Bone runs out
of Puffy kicks it. And you know that last play
was you know, I mean, you've got to think you've
got a minute on the clock.

Speaker 11 (17:21):
Why would you kick it?

Speaker 12 (17:22):
I mean, why would you possibly kick that ball? But
he was dead on his feet, And I hope there
may be a bit brave next week. I love Boden,
but I think maybe putting Jordan back at fifteen and
bringing Bone off the bench. I think Clark has secured
his place, and then either Talia or or Ice I think,
well we should come back on. And I think that

(17:43):
was the only thing that you know, that the finishing
in the last fifteen And you say, we always used
to do it with other people, And it does become
a bit of a mental game when you start getting beat.
We were doing it regularly. I was remembering that more
non new one in the last two minutes or whatever
against South Africa and maybe ten twelve years ago, and
we we were you know, we we're famous for that.
And South Africa now have that belief. I could just

(18:05):
you could tell by listening to could see that they
didn't panic as all even with the intercept try that
they felt they had the confidence of coming back.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, Charlie, it's the mark of a champion team, which
they have become. They now do have that confidence. They
don't panic even at ten points down with less than
fifteen minutes to go. They believe they can, you know,
they can exert enough pressure to still win the game.
Even if we had kicked that and we were thirty
seventeen ahead, I still think they would have backed themselves

(18:36):
At thirty seventeen. I think we win the game, but
they still would have backed themselves just like we used to.
And we didn't always win. We didn't win every single game,
but we used to back ourselves to win from behind
late in matches. But Russia Usmus even said after the game,
you know, the All Blacks could easily have won that game.
I don't think he said they deserved to, but he
said they could have. But he's in charge of a

(18:57):
team that has utter belief. Utter belief doesn't matter who's
on there, and you're just on the subs too. I
don't think this is any going to be and come
as any great surprise. But they got more out of
the bench than we did. But you look at our
bench and it's very inexperienced. You know, there are a
couple of guys on there having then played in South
Africa before. I don't think I don't think Corties Ratama has.
I don't think Semipenny Fina has. I don't think Sam

(19:20):
Dowry has. I mean they've got, you know, sort of
three or four caps, even a safe Moor eleven caps.
It's not a lot, not a lot of experience. They
bring on the bomb squad as they call it, and
it does make a huge impact. The guy like Quager Smith,
My god, what an impact. Just before we go to
the break, Jared says, the mist knock on is absolutely
the reason we lost the game. It was an incorrect

(19:40):
decision and had all else been the same, we would
have won. Why must all commentators dance around that very
basic fact, Jared. The basic fact of the matter is
if that isn't awarded, we go back to seven nil
and the game plays out in a completely different way.
We can't possibly predict how the match plays out from there.
It is not the reason that we lost the game.
It's a bad call, an unexplainable set of circumstances, but

(20:06):
it is not the reason that All Blacks lost the
game twelve to twenty seven. Back with more of your
calls after this.

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Speaker 4 (20:22):
Cody Taylor joins her Black Pack crumpling towards the line.
That's just good.

Speaker 13 (20:26):
Stuff with the Black packer over Hey, Cody Taylor, he's
the first trive to match.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, I think of one of the secrets to winning
at Ellis Parker's starting. Well, then the All Blacks ticked
that box, didn't they without opening try and I don't
think South Africa touch the ball in about the first
ten minutes. The All Blacks out of the blocks far quicker,
far quicker than the spring box. It was just the
other end of the game. They'd all nag away at them.
I'm sure as they make their way to Cape Town,
could they.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
Mark hey Canney.

Speaker 14 (20:51):
Yeah, Cody Taylor was terrific in that game. I thought
he was probably the best player on the parc to
their decision that no try, I think is a sports
fan and anyone in professional sports deserves better than then.
And I hope they own incision because it was you know,
it wasn't a subjective there. It was just objectively just wrong,

(21:12):
you know, terrible mistake. And it's just that shouldn't really happen.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
At all, you know, I can't see how the process
wasn't followed. It's there before much at the very least,
there's there's doubts, at the very least, these.

Speaker 14 (21:27):
Doubts simply just wasn't a try. I mean, I don't.
I think even if you're a boxed supporter, you'd have
to admit it. Just unfortunately, like when you could tell
when he scored, he likes the lady, and you can
almost tell the the way that the try scorer reacts
whether they know they got it or not. And he
knew that he didn't score that try, So I mean

(21:47):
you could almost tell the body language. But I mean interesting,
it's not really the whole game. I thought the ol
Mas player pretty well probably hour of the game. I
thought they weren't a bit of sense. I don't think
they responded well to the to the bomb squad. It
could have started off as a bit of a gimmick,
but you know, he is a genius coach, and I
think they didn't. We haven't really got a plan for them,

(22:10):
whether they've got the players to combat that. But it
becomes in a bit of an accumulation. You know, they
come on, but then they sort of almost take over
sight in that last twenty minutes, and you've got to
admire that. The last point I want to make is
I don't think you're kicking like I will also say
I don't think South Africa has been that great at kicking,

(22:32):
and I think the other Northern Hemisphere teams do dominate
the kicking and the level of kicking is. I remember
I when Island came here a couple of years ago,
you just looked at you're kicking and it was just
adds the losing pinpoint, you know, and now kicking really
is not up to World club stand and I think
for me that's the biggest area we need to improve

(22:55):
because of different situations. You do need to kick, and
you do need to kick accurately.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yep, one hundred percent of Mike, and you just reiterating,
really Jackson Hollins comments that, you know, we would need
to work out where we're happy giving South Africa the ball,
because that's what you're doing when you kick, you're given
the other team the ball, unless it's a box kick
and you contesting. But let's talk about kicking for territory.
They need to work out where they're happy giving South

(23:21):
Africa the ball and then execute that properly. Thought, I
think South Africa kicked more than we did. They did
a lot of little grubber kicks. Did you notice that
they would a lot of times in their back line
they tried the little grubber kick through one of Whether
that's a Tony Brown thing perhaps, I don't know. It's
just occurred to me that they were doing it more
often than they previously did. A couple of people have

(23:42):
pointed out that Damien McKenzie kicked a conversion after the
shot clock had ticked over, which I actually I thought
he had to and certainly given the fact that the
one for the very questionable first South African try was
was chalked off for being timed out. I thought Dmac
went over as well. So if we're talking about decisions,
he's taken other two points off us, you know, Like

(24:03):
I say, one decision does not cost a team of game,
especially when it's so early. Because the game just takes
a completely different track, we can't possibly predict what will happen.
As I say, if the try is not awarded, we
start with a scrum, don't we. We start with all
Black speaks to a scrum, and the game takes off
along a completely different path than the one that followed.

(24:25):
It doesn't necessarily follow that just because that try was awarded,
the All Blacks don't win the game. We were ten
points ahead with twelve minutes to go. The two things
do not correlate to one another. Yes, it's a talking
point in the game, but it is not the reason
we lost the game. Hello Chris, Hey, how are you

(24:46):
very good?

Speaker 15 (24:47):
Chris? Look my take on the game, and I take
it with a grain of salt because I hate losing
to the status, you know. But in saying that, the
one two world Cups in a row. They are the
form team and world rugby the last few years. And
so you know the fact that we went to joe Berg,
which is like five and a half thousand feet, you know,

(25:10):
there's a lot of you know, like that that helps.
It stops people's oxygen and they're I think we did
really well. New team, new coach Thays, who have never
played there in the past, in an inexperienced team versus
a very solid tables at the African team. There's a
good future in this All Black side. And to be

(25:32):
so close to them in this early process of the
four year cycle, I'm very proud of the boys to
be so close, and we could have had it, you know,
if it was a couple of decisions here or there.
I take it as a sob a moment because next
week we're going down to sea level at Cape Town,
and there was times in this game that we ran

(25:54):
them off off their feet, So I'm excited about next week.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, I'm the same Chris I thought the I thought
the fifteen that started we're really good. I thought Cody
Taylor had a horrific test. Ethan Blackadder stood out for me.
Sam Kane was good Caleb Clark, I think has made
a really strong case for a start next week. Jordie
Barrett was good. I thought the starting fifteen well on

(26:20):
the whole, very very good. I just we just didn't
get the impact off the bench that we're come to
expect in the past. And that's South Africa get now.

Speaker 15 (26:31):
Yeah, I mean, you know they've got the bomb spot
mentality that they do. But I would like New Zealand
Rugby to stay with the way we do things, just because,
like this was a good example of certificate playing there
Rugby and us. We just fell a little bit short
on the high belt. We ran out of puff essentially

(26:52):
and had a yellow card at the same time. If
it wasn't that yellow card, it could have been a
little bit different. So yeah, let's I looked forward to
and I'm rubbing my hands at let's go to Cape
Town and see if they can do the same thing
back to us again.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, good man, Chris, I'm looking forward to next week
as well. That's the great thing about the way the
season is structured. As we get another crack straight away
a week away, you don't have to just sort of
have it fester away like the Rugby World Cup Final,
wait for months and months to have another crack at them.
We get, you know, seven days down to Cape Town,
have a go down there. I don't think the w
any changes to the starting fifteen. I think the fifteen

(27:32):
will be the same. Whether there's a few tweaks around
the reserve bench remains to be seen. The other one
is that and the bomb squad is obviously premeditated what
they said on five. At the same time, I still
like the idea if a guy's playing well, just leave
them on, particularly in the half back in hooker roles.
And that's nothing against the guys who came on Alma

(27:55):
and Ruthdama, But like I say, they're far less experienced
than Pernala and Taylor, both of who I thought were good.
I'm not ignoring TJ giving away that penalty for chatting
to the ref. I think if we're giving penalties now
for half backs chatting back, then where are we? Where
are we with this game of ours? I don't know,
but I thought on the hole yet he had a

(28:15):
good game and corties on Ama. You know it's still
early and there's all Black's career. A Pata Harma we
spoke yesterday thanks for calling back.

Speaker 16 (28:25):
Well, he wanted a debrief point, but firstly a happy father'sday.

Speaker 11 (28:28):
I hope your kids looked at to you this morning.

Speaker 16 (28:31):
While you cried into your breakfast.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I haven't. I haven't seen my kids this morning, actually
a pat of harm. I I watched the rugby and
then I came straight into work. So any chance of
my kids being up at five next to non existent.

Speaker 16 (28:43):
Mate, it's two things finding let's try so I've got
an alternative on it.

Speaker 11 (28:50):
I think Jordy kneeds it out of his hand as
he's going to ground and then he just falls on it.

Speaker 16 (28:55):
So that Jordan, I said, you.

Speaker 8 (28:57):
Could have picked the really call out a strip.

Speaker 16 (28:59):
But and I think I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It's still a knock on though it's Yeah, it's still
a knock on though, isn't it If it comes out
of his hands forward, it's still not gone.

Speaker 11 (29:09):
Not if a strip?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, but he has is it? Can you strip it
with your knee?

Speaker 15 (29:15):
I reckon?

Speaker 16 (29:16):
You know?

Speaker 17 (29:16):
It was like and I feel like did Jordy sort
of forced it sort of towards towards anyway.

Speaker 16 (29:23):
I was surprised they didn't look at it like you said.

Speaker 17 (29:26):
First of the good Pioney.

Speaker 11 (29:29):
I talked about Dmac yesterday.

Speaker 17 (29:30):
I think general play, I was pretty happy with him,
right he he was in the middle of pretty much
most of our tries and he looked good skipping around
and whatnot. So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna give him
a good, good pass for his general general play today.
I thought he might feel the pressure, but I think
he did pretty well. Our set piece was solid, super solid.

(29:52):
You know, I think we probably got more of their
line outs than days that have ours, so you know
that it was there for the taking to write the
box for me.

Speaker 11 (30:02):
They didn't really play that well.

Speaker 16 (30:03):
They dropped it a lot of pill and actually when
they did hold onto.

Speaker 15 (30:06):
The super dangerous for mine.

Speaker 16 (30:08):
So I was sort of glad they dropped as much
small as they did. They're bad. So we were so disciplined,
and I call it sort of unforced penalties. Of course
it's not unforced unforced, but you know, it's just disciplined
sort of penalties. We don't need to do that extra thing,
and we just gave away so many, which ultimately led

(30:29):
led to that yellow MM and h our kicking too.
You know, well who the Jays talking about exits and
we've got we've got a cannon and Jordi Barrett who
should be in the pocket and exiting, exiting from those
kickoffs and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
But I don't know.

Speaker 16 (30:48):
It's obviously tactical that they don't use him.

Speaker 17 (30:50):
One of the times he was actually ducking out of
the way and kicked it over his head, So we've
got to use his boots, tiny, I guess.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I guess I'm trying to think of of of reasons
for him not being in the pocket. I guess if
he sits there in their pocket at first receiver said,
they ever gonna know what's coming. They know he's not
going to run from first receiver. If he gets at
Jordi Barrett there, he's going to kick it. So it
all almost telegraphs it. At least when he's at second five,
you know, yes it can get to him, and he
can kick from there with less room obviously, but look,

(31:19):
you're right, he's got a terrific boot. The penalties that
you pick up on a pat ahama is so valid.
Fourteen to five, you know, And and no matter which
way you dress it up, that is a that is
a big, big imbalance fourteen to five. I'm not saying
that's anything to do with the referee. I just think
it was pressure which led to ill discipline and at
the end of the day led to the South Africans

(31:40):
running over the top of us at the end.

Speaker 17 (31:43):
Yeah, and the last thing, you know, the kid Chase
those kicks that we do, the kick Chase made it
look like Tailor was good.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
Tailor's kick Chase came from.

Speaker 16 (31:54):
He was like, they were not great texts, but he
made them look good by a securing ball, even though.

Speaker 18 (31:58):
I think there's a few ruck turnovers kicking those who
we had to finish.

Speaker 19 (32:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
He just looked him and him and Rico when he
kicked out a head, I looked and I sort of
looked at Ricco Yoanni who I think he was kicking
it forward too, and he just kind of dropped his shoulders.
He was neked. They both were, you know, they were
just done.

Speaker 9 (32:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (32:22):
Yeah, well and they were kicking it back to us.

Speaker 16 (32:23):
It's like, why don't these teams don't want to hold
the ball for.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
Win?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
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Speaker 2 (33:11):
Early in the second half, I thought we were looking good.
We did look good for an hour, didn't we We
did look good for an hour. Thanks for holding Blair
good afternoon.

Speaker 21 (33:19):
Can you give me Parney. I'm going to respectfully disagree
with you here if we don't mind.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I liked it. Were all opinions valid here, Blair, go
for it.

Speaker 21 (33:31):
My biggest problem with the game today, putting aside the refereeing,
which I found bizarre at times, but it is the
usage of the bench. You say a moor Et cetera,
lack experience. They you know, Moo is a big unit,
bringing him on with ten twelve minutes to go and
expecting him to play extremely well, which is what has

(33:53):
happened all season. It doesn't work, Sam Dowry. You know,
some of those forwards were buggered.

Speaker 11 (33:59):
We're twenty to go.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
We were dominant.

Speaker 21 (34:01):
We had them puffing and panting, but our forwards looked
bugging at the same time.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
And we don't.

Speaker 21 (34:07):
We don't pull forward. We don't seem to pull these
guys off until, you know, until the last few minutes,
and it's just by then our discipline had gone. You know,
we were making mistakes. He needs to use his reserve
bench better. And I'd also take a look at some
of the reserve bench. You know he's got guys there

(34:28):
over Yeah no, not for me, thanks mate. He's he's
been a good player. He's still a good scrummager, but
he's slow and ponderous and he does give away a
lot of penalties nowadays. You know he's got the big boy.
Is it toasy?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I think yeah? Yet No, you have Vasilosa, Yep, that's him.

Speaker 21 (34:48):
He's a big unit. He's extremely mobile, he's a good scrummager.
The sight of him in the last twenty minutes been
given the ball and told run like hell at Malcolm
Marx who was puffing and panting. You know, I would
have liked to have seen that. But I do question
Scott Robinson's usage of his bench. Sam Dowry, you know,

(35:09):
he's a superb athlete, a great little player in the making.
We should have brought him on was twenty to go,
and to be honest, you could have replaced Scott Barrett
with him because Barrett was struggling, I think, which is
to be expected after several weeks out of the game.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, so when you used that, yeah, so when you
say used the bench better, so in other words, used
the bench.

Speaker 18 (35:28):
Earlier, definitely for me.

Speaker 21 (35:31):
I mean, Erasmus is not the only one who brings
this bench on early. We've seen Ireland do it, you know,
to a lesser extent, We've seen France do it. Scott
Robertson seems to have an issue with you know, his
players are exhausted, but he still does not replace them.
And yep, okay, Cody Taylor. Perhaps you know, with the

(35:52):
amount of time he spends on the wing, he might
not have been as tired as you know, guys like.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
VII and Barrett and that.

Speaker 21 (35:59):
But you know he needed to make some changes today
and you could see it. The heads were down, the
discipline went down. Then you bring these young guys on
and you say we'll have about it.

Speaker 11 (36:10):
It's too late by then, and asking.

Speaker 21 (36:12):
Them to perform miracles against you know, a fired up
South African team with ten or eleven to go is
I think it's unfair on them, and I think it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
When they came on, though, I think we were ahead
when the majority of them. I think Talaya and Leonard
Brown came on a bit later, but I think when
Darry maybe not fee now Alma came on, I think
we were ahead.

Speaker 21 (36:37):
He didn't bring the forwards on until we were struggling
when he brought them on, And to me, I mean
Dari and Amora in particular should have come on at
least twenty to go and just puked into their work.
You know, I need the other one for me. Perhaps

(36:58):
that he should be looking at is Billy Proctor. You
know what's he got a guy of the class of
Billy Proptor. Therefore, if he's not going to have him
somewhere in the squad or somewhere in the team. Rico
still dies with the ball he's and he died tonight.
I thought he had one of his better games this season,
but he still died with a lot of ball. You know,

(37:21):
if you're going to have Caleb Clark out on the outside,
you really need someone who's going to distribute to them
all the time. And to me, that's Proctor.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Good points well mate, I take the other guy i'd
like to see and there is Wallace a Titi, but
I don't think they will. And the same with Proctor
because they're so new. It's almost like too big an
occasion for them, or Alice Park might have been. I'd
love to see Wallacer, Titi and Billy Procter come into
at least the twenty three next week.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 21 (37:45):
And I mean, you know, where do you start these guys.
You know, you've got to start them somewhere. If you
don't start them in the cauldron, you know you can
find an excuse every week. I think you've got to
start them and you've got to back yourself as a
coach to get the best out of them, no matter
who you're playing.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
It's been a pleasure disagreeing with you, Blair, thanks for calling,
make callback anytime.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
Thanks right, so all of this.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Take it easy. We'll get one more breakaway back with
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Speaker 1 (38:15):
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Speaker 2 (38:22):
Seven to one, did I Joe?

Speaker 6 (38:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (38:24):
How are you doing?

Speaker 20 (38:25):
Party?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Very good?

Speaker 7 (38:26):
Very good Jo.

Speaker 9 (38:28):
I'm a first time caller and yeah, I guess it
was a great game. I think the referee was shaky.
I think the penalty on Peranara for talking back uh
in a Test match like that, I think is a
bad call. I think also, you know, we made a

(38:49):
couple of crucial mistakes. One where we didn't take the
three points. We were roped ten. We wanted to put
a little bit more onto the box and go up
by more than thirteen. But I think when you're down there,
you got to take the point. There was another mistake
where no one got to the rock and South Africa

(39:13):
just picked it out of there and we were right
inside and ready to attack again. I think the South
Africans again slowing down the ball and the referee letting
them lay on our side of the ball and not
penalizing them for it. And then also with our lineouts.

(39:34):
I think our lineouts and our scrums did a big tick,
but South Africa continually slow it down and are having
a huddle before our line out, and the referees got
to step in and say, listen, you either get into
the line out or are you going to get penalized,
And so they were a crucial moment. I did think

(39:58):
when we were up ten that it was still in
the balance. We needed to score one more time, whether
it was three or seven, and then the penalty again
ten minutes left in the game. It's a big call
for the referee, but you got to make big calls there.

(40:18):
He would we would have been better off letting them
score to try and then go back with fifteen players.
You can't commit a penalty like that inside the five
meter line. With South Africa, they are dangerous. Anytime within
the twenty two they're gonna line out, drive and uh

(40:39):
and then look to get points whether and most of
the time it's the penalty is with them all and
they're great at it. So I tipped my hat to them.
It was one that I just thought we had it
and would have been a great win for US. I
feel sorry for the boys because boy, they just they fought,

(40:59):
fought like tooth and now and I thought Taylor Clark
had a blinder. I know on the after the match
they said that he might have got hurt. I'm not
sure why they took him off, but I would have
probably kept them mind unless he begged to come off.
And yeah, and the bench, I think they're going to
have to look at at the impact that the bench

(41:21):
made and is going to make in the future because
they didn't really make a positive impact.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I don't think Joe brilliant first time Cally you have
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Hello one O seven. I'm Jason Pyne, Andy McDonald alongside.
We're here till three. We'll dive back into this Test
match in a moment. Get a South African viewpoint for
you from Mark key Ohanes, a long time rugby journalist
based in the Republic. We'll take some more calls as well.
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(42:58):
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Speaker 4 (43:16):
It is one oh nine, hopped up again picking go
to spring Up, driving South Africa plose the game. He
ad Gorgo swift.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
That was the try that brought it back to what
twenty seven twenty four was it? Then the spring Box
went on to win thirty one twenty seven, a third
straight win for South Africa over the All Blacks. That's
the first time that's happened since two thousand and nine.
Let's bring in hugely experienced South African rugby journalist, columnist,
analyst and broadcaster Mark Keohane. Mark, thanks for joining us

(43:50):
across New Zealand. With a few hours to reflect on
the game at Alice Park. What stands out the most
for you?

Speaker 22 (43:55):
Just there was just such a tribute to the rivalry
between the two teams.

Speaker 20 (43:58):
It was an incredible test match.

Speaker 22 (44:02):
And poignantly at Ellis Park, where the two teams have
played eight times since ninety ninety six. The average score
is thirty one to thirty point eight for the All Blacks.
I thought at one stage at thirty one twenty seven,
oh my god.

Speaker 20 (44:16):
It's going to end thirty two twenty one. They're going
to get that one point again.

Speaker 22 (44:20):
And it was just it was twelve eleven at halftime
to the All Blacks. It was It's the kind of
World Cup Final of last year reversed. There's just such
incredible reverence and respect for the All Blacks in this
country and in the rivalry.

Speaker 20 (44:31):
And this is an all Black team. That's that's maturing.
It's in its first year with Scott Robertson. It's a
very settled Springbok team.

Speaker 22 (44:37):
But my goodness, one occasion I'm going to have to
watch the Test match several times as week I could
probably give you an informed opinion of the Test match
from a Slavian perspective.

Speaker 20 (44:47):
We got the result.

Speaker 22 (44:49):
It's great that we get to go again in Cape
Town in a week's time.

Speaker 20 (44:51):
But everyone spoke about this is the World Cup.

Speaker 22 (44:55):
Final revisitor and my goodness, did they not produce something
quite spectacular again?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, what a titanic Test match for sure. How much
did the yellow card for New Zealand later on open
the door marked reckon for the spring Box to come back.
They were ten points down with twelve minutes to play
at that point and then just rolled over the top.
How important was the new miracle advantage?

Speaker 20 (45:16):
Yeah, look, I think that there's two.

Speaker 22 (45:17):
I've been looking on social media and obviously after reports,
and there's been a few things.

Speaker 20 (45:21):
I mean, I don't think bonds try was a try,
but I also don't think New Zealand's first try was
a try technically, but nothing was revisited. But that was
in the first ten minutes of the Test.

Speaker 22 (45:29):
So you don't lose a Test match in the first
ten minutes, you lose it at the last ten minutes.

Speaker 20 (45:34):
The big thing for me.

Speaker 22 (45:35):
Was that twenty seven to seventeen, the momentum was with
New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (45:38):
This is altitude, this is Test rugby.

Speaker 22 (45:41):
You scored your four tries, they get a penalty to
go thirty seventeen up and they don't take it, and
it was pretty much a gimmy and they kept for
the corner and they got turned over, so that feel
clear by thirty thirty meters within a minute they got
yellow carded, so that forgets back in the game of
scores twenty seven to twenty four and we've got a
hum dinner for the last ten minutes, and that to
me was the pivotal moment at like I think sixty three,

(46:03):
sixty four minutes thirty seventeen, I don't know I would
have come back.

Speaker 20 (46:07):
It's that psychological too converted trials.

Speaker 22 (46:10):
But for New Zealand to kick to the corner for
what you know, they may have felt they had momentum
or whatever. But test match rugby in Sola Africa, when
you got the box twenty seven to seven and you
can go thirty seventeen, you take three points. And I
was perplexed by that decision. I think maybe that's going
to be one of Scott Robinson's big learnings in terms
of Test match rugby as opposed to supermat rugby.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Indeed, No, it's a great point you make, and I
think there's a few heads being scratched over the side
of the world as well about that very decision. How
important Mark, do you think the impact of South Africa's
bench was?

Speaker 20 (46:42):
Look, No, it was always going to be.

Speaker 22 (46:43):
I mean all the previous we did this week, we
looked at the two starting fifteen's and you see there's
very little choose between them.

Speaker 20 (46:49):
You looked at it at the wall cup, very little
chooth behind them.

Speaker 22 (46:51):
But then you looked at the bench and you just thought,
come the last twenty minutes they effectively put on a
starting they'd put on a starting pack and New Zealand
currently just doesn't have that depth and that was fundamental
to the outcome of this Test match.

Speaker 20 (47:04):
I just think the quality of the New Zealand performance.

Speaker 22 (47:06):
Was that up until that seventieth minute they were in
the contest, they were effectively leading the contest and they
had played that well. I haven't seen the New Zealand
team come to Ellis Park and play with such presence
and such composure and such energy and intelligence as this
one did in the first forty minutes.

Speaker 20 (47:23):
But I always doubted when it got to.

Speaker 22 (47:25):
Seventy minutes whether they would have the cattle to come
off the bench. And I think that's going to be
his biggest test is building that squad depth. But I
thought their performance was I think it's the best performance
I've seen under Scott Robinson this season. They look clear,
they look functional, there was clarity. I thought the pack
was outstanding. I'm so not convinced it's the best back

(47:46):
line he's got going there. You know, there's you know,
whether it's body should start at ten and there should
be a different midfield, and they should different be be
a different bactory. But I just thought the pack front
it'd superbly in the most incredible conditions.

Speaker 20 (48:00):
I mean, sixty two thousand people.

Speaker 22 (48:02):
Nutters that Ellis Park, there's fervor of this spring Box
the plane flying over again, and it really reminded me
that I was there ninety five. It reminded me so
much of that. And it's a credit to this All
Black side that they were. They were in the context,
but I just felt one or two big decisions. And
that comes from a side that settlement's been together for
six years and a side that's in its first season.

(48:23):
But there's not a hell of a lot between the
two teams, and I can tell you know when so
that gets us in the next They're gonna have to
play very well to win.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, that's great analysis. It really is about the settled
nature of the South African side. I saw Victor Matfield
on Supersports coverage afterwards say this is the best spring
Box team we have ever seen. Do you agree with that?

Speaker 20 (48:42):
Not at all. I think the twenty nineteen would whip them.

Speaker 22 (48:45):
Okay, the two and nine team that beat the All Blacks,
they've been a very special All Black side, and you
know they played against some very special or back sides,
so everything is relative to And he was part of
that magnificent two thousand and seven Worl Cup winning side
two thousand and nine that beat the All Blacks three
times in succession, beat the British and Irish lines, and
you know, but for the odd decision in twenty eleven,

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I've got.

Speaker 20 (49:05):
To walk in for that semi final.

Speaker 22 (49:07):
But no, like everything is, you know, like you know
what they say, he's out of side, out of mind.
I still believe that two thousand and nine walk upside
and the mighty Richie McCaw one hundred and forty.

Speaker 20 (49:17):
Eight tests fifteen defeats.

Speaker 22 (49:18):
He says, the team he's played against, and what's the
greatest was that that's we walked team of two thousand
and nine. So I acknowledge what this team has done
and they've they've had wonderful wins. But if I look
at the quality of that two thousand and nine side,
if I stuck them on the field against this side,
I'm back in the two thousand nine side.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
And just a word on Tony Brown, who of course
is now part of the South African coaching setup. Can
you see his imprint on this side?

Speaker 23 (49:41):
Mark?

Speaker 22 (49:43):
I can, and there's people who are raving about it,
and there's people are saying, what the hell's he doing?

Speaker 20 (49:47):
He's trying to make us play like New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (49:49):
So there's definitely been an evolution of the side at
the moment. And I think also, I think he's had
a big say in the young first five sash of
Feinberg Gomezzoulu, who I've watched play since he was fifteen
sixteen at Bishops in Cape Town. He's just a wonderfully
se talent. He's the closest I've ever seen to a
Dang Carter type ten and just how naturally he's just

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going to make mistakes, but he actually owns the game.

Speaker 20 (50:14):
And I see this wonderful.

Speaker 22 (50:16):
Kind of evolution of him and this this mentor andship
of hundred Pollard with him. So they've got a gem
in that. And I looked when I looked at today's
Test match as well, it was one of those where
so he's come through, Fussy did well today, these individuals
that have come through. But I looked at that New
Zealand side, I thought Scott Robinson would go away and
say they packed did particularly well.

Speaker 20 (50:35):
Certain people did well, but he knows Richie Wonga has
got to come back. That's his tent. You know, if
you had a Brodie were Retallic and a Shannon for
a Zell in that pack, what a difference. So the big.

Speaker 22 (50:45):
Discussion in South Africa is you've got three of the
best players in the world and they're playing off Shawan,
you don't pick them.

Speaker 20 (50:50):
We did that and we were seventh in the world.

Speaker 22 (50:52):
We then started picking off short players and we became
world champions two times in.

Speaker 20 (50:56):
A row and we number one in the world.

Speaker 22 (50:58):
So it's when New Zealand starts picking the best twenty
three available.

Speaker 20 (51:02):
I don't know, it's going to be a very different
ballgame at the moment.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Oh, you've opened up that can of words for our listeners, Mark,
I love it. Another another chapter in the storied history
between these two sides. Really appreciate you joining us to
break it down across New Zealand today.

Speaker 20 (51:16):
All right, thanks mate, and down to all New Zealanders.

Speaker 22 (51:18):
Just you know, what a performance from your team and
we've been on the receiving one of those close ones.

Speaker 20 (51:22):
But the tide's going to turn pretty quickly.

Speaker 22 (51:24):
I can tell you that now this side's coming and
save your side's going to be on red alert.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Good on you make appreciate your time again. Mark Keohane,
South African journalist, commentator, analyst, astute observer of the game
one seventeen. We've got time for some more calls, if
you'd like to jump aboard and give you all reaction.
We didn't get everybody on the air before one o'clock.
It was a full board most of the time. If
you'd like to take your chances now, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty eighty is our number. Nine two nine two

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is the text line. Got a bunch of texts which
I'll try to get to email us Jason at NEWSTALKSEDB
dot co dot nz. They're into a second set tiebreaker
Alex D. Manure and Daniel Evans Demono won the first
set six to three, six all in the second and
Evans leads for to one in the tiebreak, so looking
to square it up at one set a piece. Danil Medvedev,

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the fifth seed, is about to take the court as
well on Arthur Rash. I think Demonir and Evans are
on Louis Armstrong Arena. Did you think that the South
Africans were just massive men? I saw that they put
the pack weights up at one stage and they were
pretty similar really, but they just look enormous, don't they.

(52:36):
The South African forwards. I looked at to Mighty Williams
and he's a big guy, a big, big unit, but
he looks small by comparison to some of the South
African guys. It was just so And what impressed me
was how we we match them physically. All the talk

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during the week was about physicality, or a lot of
it anyway, and how if you know, if you don't
match South Africa physically, you might not turn up.

Speaker 24 (53:05):
Well.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Thought we did and I thought Sam Kine led that thought.
Cody Taylor, like I said before, was excellent Ethan Blackadder
as well. I thought we really matched them physically. Our
set piece was good again, we didn't lose a scrum.
The lineouts on the whole were pretty good. But it
just stood out to me just what enormous units Africa's

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players are. Leon says Pinety. You still my thunder. The
knock on by the spring box for the first try
inexplicably missed. Despite the technology we now have at our disposal.
Also by passing the shot at goal to a head scratcher.
Even if Damien had missed it, we'd have gotten the
ball back with another attacking opportunity. Becking. I still believe
we can come back in Cape Town. But Test matches
are won by small and important decisions and margins. Thanks Leon,

(53:53):
I appreciate it very much. It is one nineteen.

Speaker 8 (53:57):
Hello John, Hi pony.

Speaker 18 (54:01):
My view is a little bit different. I'm going back
to the preparation for the Test match. I don't think
there is and took it seriously enough. The South Africans
after the Australian Test, they hauled eleven players out and
took them back to train at altitude and they put
eleven back and when they when the South Africans played
in Perth, they Australia played a B team and we

(54:22):
were numpties. We played our second Test against against Argentina
and we waited eight days before we took our team
to train at altitude. It was and then, as as
many of your callers have said, that kick at the
end was vital. It gave our players arrest. Whether they

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whether they got it or not, we would have got
the ball back.

Speaker 11 (54:45):
So just on.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, John, I'm going to come back to that, but
just on the on the bit about the team we lost.
We lost to Argentina and Wellington, so I think it
would have been a very bold move to take out
ten or eleven starters for the second Test against Argentina
and Auckland.

Speaker 18 (55:02):
No, I agree. I agree with that, Pinny. What I'm
saying is that the ten minutes after the test was over,
we should have been on the plane to South Africa.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, yeah, not wait a week? Yeah they went. They
went on the Friday. Yeah, I know, I'm spoiling here. Yeah,
they went on the Friday. So what's that year? Six days? Yeah, No,
I get it. I get it. So you think the
adjusting to the altitude was a big part of what
you saw this morning, the non adjustment that happened with
only a week there, one hundred percent.

Speaker 18 (55:33):
When we got to ten twelve minutes to go, we
looked like we were puffing and blowing, and that that
transpired transpired, I reckon into the way they gave that
penalty away. We just flopped on the ball. We didn't
we had no energy left, Piney. We just didn't take
it seriously enough. South Africa wanted to beat us. They

(55:54):
took their players out of out from Melbourne straight back
to training at altitude and we were left with what
the result is. It'll be a different game when we
get to Cape down and we're at sea level. But
you know, we just we have to take these things.
We have to treat them with respect.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Thanks for you call, John.

Speaker 8 (56:16):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Trying to figure out whether not going as soon as
physically possible, i e. The next day, is not taking
it seriously. I don't think any of your Blacks team
against South Africa has never not taken it seriously. But John,
I don't mean to, you know, downplay your point that, yes,
physically they could have. They played against Argentina and Auckland

(56:41):
on the seventeenth of August. That was a Saturday night,
so feasibly they could have gone the next day, eighteenth
of August, and that would have given them two weeks
in Joe Burke, would it have made a material difference?
Maybe we will never know. I guess you always talk
about acclimatizing, especially when you go to altitude. Yeah, maybe

(57:04):
if they had been there for two weeks, would it
would have made a material difference. I appreciate you bringing
it up, John oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty one twenty three. We're back after this with more
of your calls.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
One crutch Hold Engage Weekend Sport with Jason Tame and GJ.
Gunner Homes New Zealand's lost trusted home Builder News Talks
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Speaker 2 (57:25):
News Talks will be one twenty six couple of text.
Joe says Jason. The officials need to be seen to
be held to account for the glaring miss of the
knock on for South Africa's first try. It's an indefensible
error when we know how quick they can be to
pick up on marginal head high tackles Joe. It's a
good point again. I just want to reiterate, just so
that there's no confusion here. My view, and you might

(57:49):
not share my view, is that it didn't cost us
the game. The reason we lost the game wasn't the
missed knock on and what was it the tenth eleventh
minute of the game. But the missed call still needs examination.
There still needs to be an explanation given as to

(58:09):
why on Earth it wasn't looked at by the TMO.
At the risk of repeating what I said last hour,
at the very very least, there is doubt as to
whether he's got that down without knocking it on. There's
doubt that he achieved contact with the ball all the

(58:31):
way down to the tryline. So why not just take
time off and have a look at it. As Joja said,
they in forensic detail examine things like head high tackles.
I'll go back five or six phases on things referred.
It even take time off for the TMO to have
a look at it. I know the TMO as the

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one who says to the referee, hete I think we
should have a look at this, So why didn't he?
Why didn't he? It just doesn't make sense. It's not
the reason they lost the game, but it's a talking point.
It's being talked about all over the place. There was
Art's embarrassing that we're talking about this. We're focusing on
this one thing. I think we're focused on quite a
few things in the last ninety minutes or so, but

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that is it's a talking point. No matter which way
you look at it, No matter which way you look
at it, Michael says pintly, when you climb Mount Everest,
you go to base camp for a week to acclimatize.
You don't climb the mountain straight away. I believe the
extra cost of accommodation, security, etc. Couldn't be justified. But

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for me, it's win at all costs. I think they probably.
I think if Scott Robertson had said, or whoever makes
these decisions as a coaching group, management staff, whoever had
said to you know, whoever it is to Mark Robinson
I presume, or to the board or whatever, Hey, we
think if we went to joe Berg the day after
the second Argentina Test, that will give us the best

(59:57):
possible opportunity to win the test match. I think they
probably would have got the green light for it. They
probably would have got the tick. So you can only
assume that that wasn't something that was suggested to the
powers that be. I know they flew out on the Friday,
they flew through. It's a long way to South Africa,
you know. Again, that perhaps plays into this as well.
If they left on the Friday, I think they arrived

(01:00:18):
probably late on Saturday evening local time, so they still
had a whole week. And look, we've been traveling up
until recently for years to South Africa as Super rugby
teams and collected a lot of ip on what is
best as far as traveling all that way and getting

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optimal performance, because the other part of it is if
you're there for two weeks, what are you supposed to
do for two weeks? And Johannesburg you can't go out,
You're stuck inside the hotel room. You go stir crazy
a little bit. I know they can do activities and
things like that, but that's a long time to build
up to a test match. They often say these players
that the week of a test match drags, especially the

(01:01:02):
last two or three days as they you know, get
ready for the battle. So if that's the case over
a week long build up, what would it be like
over two weeks. Here's Damien McKinsey post match with our
rugby editor and match commentator Elliott Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Damie McKenzie Demien thoughts on was a pretty tough test match.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, it was a It was a tough tough test match.

Speaker 10 (01:01:22):
Obviously you're easy playing over here he else Park, But
I think you know, we've done enough in first half
and particularly sort of the first quarter the second half to
do enough to win. And I guess, Yeah, we kind
of a little bit foot off the peel in the
last fifteen twenty little bit of discipline and particular against
the South African side, you can't give them that opportunity.
So yeah, a little bit disappointing, but we know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
That some good stuff there too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Yeah, the last twenty minutes, I guess the crucial part
of the game. You lead by ten points but just
couldn't quite close it out with How crucial was that
discipline later on that just you couldn't quite get right.

Speaker 10 (01:01:54):
Yeah, we kind of put ourselves under a little bit
of pressure by our discipline and ah yeah, so they
putting us in the corners in great suit piece sab
Ashkan boys. So yeah, I think we're have to something
we have a look at and around, I guess, making
sure we don't take the foot off the throat around
that last twenty minutes, making sure we're still playing rugby
and backing ourselves.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Do you feel, you know, scoring twenty seven points at
als Park, You know that the attack clicks, but maybe
just you're not far away from getting that performance that
maybe next week in cap Down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 10 (01:02:22):
I think there were some great moments tonight with our
attack scored some good tries off set piece. I think
particularly early on in the first half we looked really
good on our attacking side of the ball, and yeah,
I think we had periods we were great. So I
don't think it's far far away in terms of clicking
and putting it all together. So that's eighty minute game,
so it's all we got to put everything together for.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
It was a real battle of kicking, technical and also
penalty kicking as well out there. How did you find
it as a ten sort of navigating what was going
on out there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Yeah, obviously there's a lot of kicking.

Speaker 10 (01:02:51):
I've got some great kickers on their side and probably
maybe lost that bet or late in the second half
they kicked really well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
We probably kicked maybe a little bit of ball away.

Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
But I still think there was times where we did
a good job in terms of that. And yeah, again
when yeah, your discipline is not as good as it
should be, put you on in a little bit of appresciure.
But like I said, I think there's some good stuff
there that we know we can take away into next
weekend and put it all together.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
It's Damien McKenzie speaking with Elliot Smith after the game.
He also caught up with starting prop Tyrol Lomax commiserations.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
It was a tough test out there. What did you
make of I guess that the physical encounter that it was.

Speaker 25 (01:03:29):
Yeah, they played exactly how we expected them to direct physical.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I thought we played really well from large parts.

Speaker 22 (01:03:38):
Of that game.

Speaker 25 (01:03:38):
It's just yeah, so that looks quite disapparning.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
You had a unique position, You're office off by that
point in time, but the last twenty minutes just didn't
feel like it clicked as well as the first hour.
What were you seeing from the touch line?

Speaker 25 (01:03:49):
Yeah, it's going to be a lot more clinical, a
lot more discipline. Gave them too many locks inside our
twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Does it feel like if you fixed that up then
seven days time in Cape Town, then you can capitalize
and get a win over the spring Box on.

Speaker 25 (01:04:02):
One hundred percent. Like I said with a fellow, we're
on top for a part of that game, come out
a half time, had a really good fifteen minutes after that,
so a lot of positives to take. It's just yeah,
that last ten to fifteen minutes were going to be better.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
How did you find the ford battle of the scrum
battle throughout that match? Was pretty ding dong, wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:23):
It was?

Speaker 25 (01:04:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Like I said, they.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
We know how they play.

Speaker 25 (01:04:28):
They played direct, physical, They want to scrum your line out,
and I thought we competed really well in that area.
A few scrums, we just let them get what they
want around the setup.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
So yeah, we'll review that and be a lot better
next week.

Speaker 20 (01:04:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
But if you feel that the team last couple of performances, Wellington,
perhaps aside that you are building to some really good
stuff at the moment.

Speaker 25 (01:04:49):
Yeah, definitely, we're looking like a lot better team. Yeah,
it's just clinical and those real crucial moments.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
It's to Rollomax. Speaking with our rugby editor Elliott Smith
post game a couple more texts before we pivot into
a different topic, Piney says Cross he saw the first
hour of the Test. I thought it was the most
complete performance I've seen from an all Black team in
a very long time. Chris, I have to agree that
the first hour was good, very good, excellent in fact
in many facets. Unfortunately, the last fifteen cost us Ponty

(01:05:21):
shure that have been a penalty try when they got
a yellow card for a professional fowl as we were
going for the try, yeah, I have that suggested. I
don't think it would have mattered if it was a
penalty try or not. The fact is he got the
yellow card. We scored a try straight away after that
through Cody Taylor and it was converted, so you know,
I don't think it made a material difference to the game,
but it's an interesting talking point. So a yellow card

(01:05:41):
for both sides. Unfortunately, the one for the All Blacks
was late in the game and allowed, as I've mentioned
a couple of times, for the South Africans to take
advantage of their new miracle advantage. It is one thirty
four News. Round four of Rugby's bunnings En PC continues
this afternoon. Wellington three from three this season. They can

(01:06:01):
join hawks By at the top if they can secure
a bonus point a way when over Canterbury this afternoon
kick off five past two. Live commentary on Goldsport iHeartRadio,
led by the head of our christ Church ZB Sport Bureau,
Nick Buley. It joins us you're at only you're a
show ground oval today, Nick, how are the conditions good?

Speaker 23 (01:06:21):
A piney Yeah, beautiful day here in Canterbury and rung
to be precise, it's your first day spring, of course,
so expect nothing less, but yeah, twenty degrees I a
short spinyes you know, it's pretty good areas when that
is the case, to get the carves out. But that
great occasion this, of course NPC Rugby came to this
very venue last year for the first time. Canterbury beat

(01:06:44):
Taranaki on that occasion and today we welcome Wellington. At
the moment, we've just seen the last final stages of
the curtain rays of the Southbridge Shield, which is between
North Canterbury and Alsmere, the one hundred and first playing
of the south Bridge Shield, and North Canterbury are going
to comfortably defend their shield fifty five eleven. They lead

(01:07:05):
and drew time at the minute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
All right, bit of an up and down season so
far for Canterbury. Two wins, two losses in the last
seven days. They've beaten Auckland twenty seven to twenty one
at Eden Park and lost by exactly the same margin
to Hawks Bay at home. Why has consistency been hard
to find for the Red and Blacks?

Speaker 23 (01:07:23):
Yeah quirky, isn't it? That same score line and you
open the season with a good win against Northland at
home losing up the road to their neighbors Tasman. I
think in these what's now being dubbed storm weeks where
they're playing all the NBC teams this year have to
play three games in the space of eight days. It
is a challenge around those short turnarounds and rotating players

(01:07:46):
in and outs. But look it does feel like a
bit of a changing of the guard time at the
moment for Canterbury. Yes, there are some familiar faces to
this afternoon. For example, we've got Joe Moody back for
the first time at Lucy had Prop Braiden in or
in the centers. But we've got a fifth different halfback
and this is their fifth game for Canterbury with Tyson
Bealworthy making his day. But we've got another new first

(01:08:06):
five eighth and shouldn't be Archie, So it's you know,
guys like Fergus Burt going overseas. There's been a little
bit of turnover, a little bit of injury issues as well,
but yeah, look Canterbury will be a little bit frustrated.
They were, certainly in that game on Wednesday night against
Hawks Bay just couldn't get across the line. But I
think once they negotiate that this being the third and

(01:08:27):
final of their three games in eight days, they will
sort of look more broadly, perhaps feel a bit more
settled around what their best twenty three is and look
to attack the second part of the season and build
towards the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
As far as the visitors are concerned, Wellington, they won
all three of their games so far with bonus points,
but they're winning margins have all been in single figures,
so it's certainly not as though they've monstered any of
their three opponents so far. How do you assess the
threat that they'll bring to Canterbury this afternoon?

Speaker 23 (01:08:54):
Yeah, look, I think they go in his favorites. You'll
probably enjoy me saying that, Piney I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Concur well, Look, win's over Auckland.

Speaker 23 (01:09:03):
Who I know, they're having a real tough time of it,
aren't they. But twenty nine to twenty one went over
Taranaki and then put through their paces a bit last
week has to be said against Manowa two before finally
coming out on top thirty nine thirty one, but having
the benefit of that week long break coming down here
to run Yura and still having some really classy players
that have been sort of filtered through and have plenty

(01:09:24):
of super rugby experience. Really looking forward, for example, to
having another look up close of Peter Larklay at number eight.
I think he's got all the hallmarks of a future
all black. Same too with Xavin Numa, the loose head props.
So look, they've been able to rack up points thirty
nine points against Man oh two and whole teams like Taranaki.
You is certainly threatening with ball in hand, the defending

(01:09:46):
champions to just nineteen points. I think they've got some
encouraging signs under Orlando Soakai. And look, I think with
the quality of names I'm seeing here in front of
me on the team sheet that they rightly go in
his favorites this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
All right, looking forward to your call on Goldsport and iHeartRadio.
Has it been a happy Father's Day for you? I
think your second day? From memory, I.

Speaker 23 (01:10:08):
Was going to say say, yeah, happy Father's Day to
you too, Piney year second Father's Day, you're going to
be fourteen month old boy theo.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
So it's been.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
A special day.

Speaker 23 (01:10:16):
Started off well, not quite into Father's Day, but big
big wise man and started off with quite an outstanding
You know, farewell for Shawn Johnson. I very much enjoyed
obviously all blacks quite as flash. But I've got the
boy and my wife Kelsey somewhere here in the in
the showgrounds enjoying it. That's that's one of the beauties
of this of this sort of community rural feel for

(01:10:39):
this NPC game. You can bring your your kidding with
a pram, you can bring I think I've even seen
a few dogs around, or certainly last year there's a
few dogs around sitting up on the little rise embankment
on the far side. So it certainly feels more like
a heartland type environment than what we're probably accustomed to
it some of our biggest stadiums in NPC. So now
it is special, having special having the boy here somewhere

(01:11:02):
at the ground. And yeah, it's a privilege to be
to be a dad for your brilliant stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Now that's exactly how it should be. That's how I
believe that's the way forward, not just for Artland Championship Rugby,
but for NPC as well. Enjoy your call, Nick, thanks
for stopping it.

Speaker 23 (01:11:16):
Cheers Piney.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Nick purely has the call of Canterbury v. Wellington Bunnings
MPC from five past two, Catch that on Gold Sport
and iHeartRadio twenty to two when we come back James
mcconey in this regular Sunday slot.

Speaker 7 (01:11:30):
You be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Have yours say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend
Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most
trusted home builder News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
NB seventeen to two. Let's get to James mcconey. Are
your European tickie tourists? Continuing? Where do we find you today?

Speaker 26 (01:11:50):
I'm on the northern tip of Denmark visiting some great Danes,
some old friends of mine who I met when I
was on my II in Maidstone, south of London and Kent.
So all those years ago, me and the Danes forms
formed a pretty strong bond. The Bally Jim Carrey movies
that was there where we basically decided, okay, we're going

(01:12:14):
to be friends for life.

Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Well, did you and your friends for life from Denmark
get in front of a TV to watch the All
Blacks at All?

Speaker 11 (01:12:22):
Yes?

Speaker 26 (01:12:22):
I managed to fire up the laptop and watch the
test which possibly is it an instant classic? I mean
It's hard to say when the All Blacks lose that
that's the case, but I think it might be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah, a terrific test match. Yeah, And look, most of
the feedback we've had today on the show has been
about the last sort of ten to fifteen minutes the
yellow card to offer to the Farsi in the way
that the spring Box took advantage and sort of rolled
over the top. What are your main takeaways, if I
can use that cliche.

Speaker 26 (01:12:53):
One is I feel like the spring Box are going
to lift a gear between World Cup years now. They
used to phone it in every now and then and
probably leave a few of their big stars untroubled until
they really needed them in that you know, sort of
nine months before cycle that, you know, so that was
the way they played it. But now it just feels

(01:13:15):
that intensity lift. We've got something that rivals really stay
of origin intensity now and then.

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
I mean we've had Springbok tests like that, but they're
not always like that.

Speaker 26 (01:13:25):
So if this is what is going to happen, then
I think I'm all for it because I think it's
going to breathe life into rugby. Second thing is you
could see Tony Brown's handprints all over that spring Box team,
some of those innovative moves.

Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
Off a line out.

Speaker 26 (01:13:45):
There was just a real sort of brown esque kind
of vibe to the way they play the game and
attacked wholeheartedly with a ball in hand near the end.
And my third takeaway is probably that the bomb squad
works and why have we not tried to copy it?
It just if you're bringing it's the best Dean cam Vincent,

(01:14:07):
cock Quakers, Smith, Malcolm Marx off the bench and they
are doing the damage. Are we really stuck in an
old style of thinking, which is a bench that just
plugs every gap? And are we not thinking enough about
impact rather just more about cover.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Well, it's interesting because last weekend or sorry, two weekends ago,
the last test News You'll then played Eden parkingst Argentina.
They did bring on five at the same time, but
it's a very different match situation. They were well clear
by then. It was almost like, okay, let' attempted the
bench and give some guys some minutes. Do we need
to do we need to embrace more. Even though we
sort of tend to say yes, it's now a twenty

(01:14:47):
three man game, should we now actually believe that it
is a twenty three man game.

Speaker 7 (01:14:53):
That's the difference. I think.

Speaker 26 (01:14:55):
I don't think we've quite understood what Rassi has been
doing all these years, which is basically sending people on
to win games and you know, tooth and nail. How Ever,
doesn't matter how it looks, they will, They're going on
to finish the job.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Whereas I think the All Blacks.

Speaker 26 (01:15:13):
Feel that that, you know, if they get everything right
and the processes are good and the strike moves work,
they'll be you know, in an untouchable situation with with
you know, fifteen minutes to go. But that's not test
rugby really and that's why I feel like Russi is
the master. And to be honest, the most impressive Bomb
squad member for me was Aluric Low.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
He made a run from from a kickoff. Did you
see that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:15:39):
Three or four players and I was like, oh, this
guy twenty four years old, six ft five, loves forward.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
Okay, South Africa, we get it.

Speaker 26 (01:15:46):
And there's talent there as well at ten and fifteen,
I think, which that we haven't seen before. That could
be you know, could actually take them through the more
World Cups.

Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
That's that's the danger.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Yeah. Indeed, well we'll look see. I look forward to
seeing how the All Blacks regroup ahead of Cape Town
a week from now. Other bits and piece of floating
around to Chris Wood got another goal. That's seventy one
in the Premier League now, more than Eric Cantona. He's
starting to get up into rarerified air.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
Who are Chris Wood? Yes? Who are Cantona? He going
past Eric Cantona is crazy for me.

Speaker 26 (01:16:22):
But the one thing that I think kwies need to
appreciate with Chris Wood is that if Nottingham Forest stay
avoid relegation, it'll be because of Chris Wood and no
other player. And I don't think you can say more
about Chris Wood in the sense that I know, seeing
somebody put an entire team, an entire club, famous club,

(01:16:43):
European Cup winning club on his shoulders is just something
to behold really, and that's I think that's going to
be his you know, his calling card for years is
that the guy who could just make things happen for
the battler. And look, it was a He's a big unit.

(01:17:04):
It was a headed goal and on target and just exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:17:08):
Where he needed to be.

Speaker 26 (01:17:09):
And I always look at Chris Wood and just go
there's you know, that type of player has been outdated
for some time now, but the fact that he's that
important and starts games for a big Premier league club
like that, it just shows he actually is worth every penny.
And I'm glad that we've got someone who's a proper

(01:17:32):
superstar of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Now, speaking of pennies or whatever currency you're dealing in
right now, did you put any of it on lydia
Co last week? We spoke last week she was three
rounds in and sort of within striking distance at the
Open Championship at the Old Course of s and Andrews.
Did you get any of your I don't know what's
the Danish currency?

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
Did he put me on any crona?

Speaker 26 (01:17:54):
Look, I this is the thing, Pinnie. I was talking
her up, and even when I interviewed at the Paris
Olympics before she played, I had a feeling. I just thought,
the way she's speaking, it sounds like she's going to
win the whole shebang.

Speaker 7 (01:18:09):
And I mean I.

Speaker 26 (01:18:10):
Didn't bet on her then, and she's probably playing forty
one dollars or something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
And then like a muppet.

Speaker 26 (01:18:17):
When we're talking last weekend again talking lydia Co up.

Speaker 7 (01:18:21):
She's in a great position.

Speaker 26 (01:18:23):
You know, Nellie Carter will be worried about her breathing
down her neck. Sure enough, lydia Co gets up. Look,
I don't know what the word is for for regretting
not making bets. I'm sure there's a German word for it,
like stupid Betton forgetting or something like that. But that's
that's what I That's what I'm feeling right now is Yeah,

(01:18:44):
I'm happy for lydia Coe. But why didn't I listen
to the inner sports pundit which says or punter just goes, yeah,
that that lydia Coe just looks to be in good
form and just seems to have the weight of the
world off her shoulders.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Indeed, hey, just before you go, Bunn ex MPC continuing
over here, you would have noticed that Auckland four from four,
but not in a good way. They've lost all of
their games. Have you sort of been keeping up with it?
And as an out of the box thinker any more
thoughts on attracting crowds back to NPC.

Speaker 26 (01:19:19):
This is the thing that borrows me Piney. I mean,
I'm missing home a little bit, even though I do
love the Danes and they're various cheeses and pastries. I
still tune in for a bit of Bunnings MPC and
just seeing the lack of crowds is fairly sad. I mean,
what can you do to revive that? How can you

(01:19:40):
get people back watching rugby. I don't think the rugby
is enough, clearly the marketing side of it. I mean,
I'm sure they've thrown lots of money at it. Look,
I've always felt that it needs to be another event
as well down there at a rugby ground, whether it's
a farmer's market or you know, some vintage merch which

(01:20:00):
everyone seems to go crazy for these days, or whatever
kind of event that you want to host. Maybe throwing
hay I mean after raygun at the Olympics and breakdancing.

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
It could be whatever you want to do.

Speaker 26 (01:20:15):
They need to think outside of the box because it's.

Speaker 7 (01:20:18):
Pretty chronic right now, Piney.

Speaker 26 (01:20:19):
And I'm sure even your beloved Wellington lines are struggling.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah, indeed they are. Well they've taken games to Pottydoor
Park where excuse me, I don't mind it. I quite
like the smaller grounds. I know it doesn't increase the
side of the size of the crowd, But it certainly,
I guess makes it look a lot better. And actually
it's more of a feel, you know, if you're that
close to the ground a a you know, or to
the players at a ground like Pottydoor Park compared to

(01:20:43):
sky Stadium, and then all the better as far as
the experience is concerned, is you know, from what I
can see anyway, we're we're swiftly running out of time.
So should we bid each other? How do you say goodbye?
In Danish?

Speaker 7 (01:20:56):
Well you do?

Speaker 26 (01:20:57):
You say Favell, and vill says, which is I'll see
you later, So Favell, virsays.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
And same to you, James, same to you. Enjoy yourself
in den and we'll chat to you again next week.
Seven and a half away from two. News Talks EB.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
on n eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talk ZEB.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Just on four and a halfway from two. Just updating
the tennis. Daniel Medvedev is five to three a head
in the first set against Flavio Caboli of Italy and
forty love up so serving for the set. Alex Deminor
and Daniel Evans are tied at one set apiece, and
there in fact they were up until a couple of
seconds ago where Alex Demonor has one of the third

(01:21:41):
set six love so demon of two sets to one
ahead of Daniel Evans. Text A here Warrior is surely
worth a mention. Absolutely you're in our minds. Fitting farewell
for Warriors star Shawn Johnson last night playing a starring
role in helping the Warriors snatch that thirty twenty eight
comeback went over the Sharks in Cronulla. Adam Blair going
to break it down for us after two o'clock. Well,

(01:22:03):
also check in with one of the new investors in
Auckland FC, Winston Reid, Tim Brown and Noah Hickey, three
former All Whites and three very successful businessmen and their
own right beyond their playing days, have all invested in
Auckland FC. So what's behind all this? Noah Hickey will
join us and the captain of our futsal Ferns our

(01:22:25):
women's futsal team who have earned qualification to the World
Cup next year. Hannah Kruckman is also going to join
us after two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 20 (01:22:48):
It'd been.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Two o seven. Welcome into the final hour of the show.
Tim Beverage is ready to go after three. He'd be
ready to go now if we gave him the opportunity,
but I think we'll we'll stick to what's on the roster,
give you another hour of sport before we hand over
to the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective hosted by
Tim Beveridge. Just having a look on the monitor. Canterbury

(01:23:12):
and Wellington have just kicked off into an ungy order.
Talking to Nick Beiorley before he was setting the scene
for us and it's another one of those grounds. I've
never been to the lungy Order showgrounds, but it's another
one of those, which is it's like a little priven
Shill almost Heartland Championship ground where the crowd and ice
and close and they're all sort of crowded around the edges.

(01:23:33):
It looks so much better than having MPC and these
massive cavernous stadia. Excellent idea. Wellington have done it too,
they've hit it out to pottyd or a park rather
than sky Stadium. I just think it's the way forward
for provincial rugby. Steve agrees on text pinety. They helped
revitalize NPC rugby. Play Saturday and Sunday afternoons only, well

(01:23:56):
the first fifteen game as a curtain raiser off a
primary school kids with a parent or guardian free entry,
make adults twenty bucks, second resc school students five dollars
with sensible prices for food and drinks, and have a
player slash young fans area to meet after the game.
Also says Steve, the All Blacks should be available to

(01:24:18):
help their team out more often. Steve, the last point
is one that I'm not sure if you heard our
conversation when we had Smiley Barrett Kevin Barrett on dad
of the three All Black Barrett brothers, he said exactly
the same thing he said. In his view, during the
Super Rugby season when it overlaps with the club season,

(01:24:39):
there should be a weekend where everybody gets a buy
and every player in Super Rugby goes back to their club,
including all of the All Blacks, not necessarily to play.
They can play if that is appropriate, and they are
given the go ahead by their super rugby club, but
just to be there, just to show their face around
the club and imagine the impact it would have on

(01:25:02):
club rugby. I think that's a terrific idea. You were
talking more about provincial stuff, but yeah, I thought that
was a very good idea. And you know, who knows
whether they can make it work or not? Not sure anyway,
this hour the music's completely run out, so I've clearly
been rabbit gone for far too long. At the top
of the at the top of the hour, we're going
to talk some football, some footsal in very shortly some

(01:25:24):
rugby league. Adam Bleed standing by the chat to us
about Sean Johnson's swan song. Last night his final play
in the NRL resulted in a match winning try, so
it doesn't get much better than that, apart from, of course,
making it to a Grand Final. What Adam Blair are
going to chat to us shortly as we always do,
though at around about this time, which is almost ten
past two, I've been rabbiting on for so long. In

(01:25:46):
case you, mister Curtis sev Andy McDonald, all the stuff
that might have escaped your attention over the last twenty
four hours or so starting at love Welter, Espania. A
stage win for Australian cyclist Cayden Groves.

Speaker 27 (01:25:59):
Groves he has got the upper hand but now here comes
to these acceleration of an art coming to the line
into Fia Pleina has lunched for the line throw and
it's a six stage victory for Cavan Groves of Alpha
Zinder Kernig.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
A good finish for Kiwi Corbyn Strong. He was third
to the NRL. The Eels have made the race for
eight in the NRL. Very interesting knockdown by Paramatta MARETI
has it in one of the strangest games of rugby
league we've seen for a long long time.

Speaker 24 (01:26:30):
The Eels have struck a hamm of blow for the
Dragons top eight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Chants forty four points to forty. The Eels beat the Dragons.
I read last night that's the first time a team
has scored forty points in an NRL game and lost.
The Dolphins also put forty on the Broncos.

Speaker 26 (01:26:49):
Now it Joe Sullivan beautiful announced again it's turn this
time gonna just get third.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Tobby has a double Dolphins forty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah, forty points to six. So the Broncos are done,
all done, landowners meantime, putting even more heat on Max
for stepping. After claiming another Formula one pole position, this
time for the Italian Grand Prix.

Speaker 13 (01:27:14):
Lando Norris, hoping to make it back to back poles,
he crosses the line now and improves on his time.
Red Bull didn't have the tally today and didn't make it.
And it is that team and Papayah and fat Man
Lando Norris. But take a front row, lockhouse and poll
for the Italian.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Grand Prix to the NPC fins up the Tasman Muckel
remain unbeaten.

Speaker 18 (01:27:36):
Gray just go through and the simplest of tries as
the Tasman mic goes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Now shall it right?

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
What will be a victory?

Speaker 10 (01:27:47):
Even though we have seventeen minutestrum mining They turned the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Screws thirty four to fifteen over the Bay of plenty
steamers Auckland, though remain winless.

Speaker 11 (01:27:59):
And is it the wreck and diggings and spell on
the pill He's done in the post I had Rich
mist Lincoln thin and the score seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
One finished thirty nine to twenty one to White Cuttle
to the US Tennis Open Alexei Popper and taking the
biggest win of his career.

Speaker 28 (01:28:16):
As exists life to six six foe he yets another huge,
huge shock here in New York.

Speaker 26 (01:28:29):
Alexei Poppery interview, Sarritory Captain Majors.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
And finally to the Premier League Manchester City with a
three to one win over west Ham United thanks to
a hat trick from Guests who getting.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Himself back on side.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Maky's run through the middle.

Speaker 24 (01:28:45):
This for his hat trick, irresistible, irrepressible and very futably
one of the best there has ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Urling Harland of course, the man of the moment and
all Whites Captain Chris Wood with yet another Premier League
goal for Nottingham Forest.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Deep this time and then wonderful atti from christ Worth.
Two Wolves that not picks up on that far post
and it's take to Nottingham Forest. Just ten minutes to
get themselves in front.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
The school, from the track fields and the court on
your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News Talks, NB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
News TALKSB It's two fourteen Adam Blair very shortly just
updating you on some live sport at the US Tennis
Open to Neil medvedev As won the first cent against
Flavioca Bali of Italy sixty three. He's two to one
up and serving for three to one. In the second set,
Alex Demneur against Daniel Evans. It was tight for a while.

(01:29:49):
Demon won the first set six to three. Evans won
the second seven six and a tiebreak, but then double
donut Alex de Minur six love, six love, so it
all ended rather quickly as far as Evans was concerned.
As far as the Bunnings ENDPC between Canterbury and Wellington
at Orangiola is concerned, eight minutes gone no score in

(01:30:12):
this one between Canterbury and Wellington. Wellington, of course looking
for a fourth straight victory. A bonus point would take
them equal top with Hawks Bay. A win of any
sort would take them into the top three. Currently the
other two unbeaten sides in the competition are Hawksbay as
mentioned and also Tasman as we just mentioned in the

(01:30:33):
in case you missed it segment. So currently nil all
between Canterbury and Wellington in the In the NPC, eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is always is our number.
We've been taking a few calls on the rugby this afternoon,
but I want to flick across now to rugby league
because the Warriors have completed a remarkable comeback to stun

(01:30:55):
the Sharks in their NRL season finale in Sydney. Trailing
twenty two points to four at halftime, they scored four
unanswered tries to lead twenty six twenty two before Cronulla
scored a converter tried to go ahead twenty eight twenty six,
but with only seconds remaining, the retiring Sean Johnson did
this possibly their last chance.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
Hagan the walker Johnson side.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Up, cutside runs his own scrap time riddle, produced directed
by Sean.

Speaker 26 (01:31:32):
Johnson the movie He's Last.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Jame winsard for the Warriors. Yeah cut our pass to
Delan watenis Alesniak who gotted down in the corner for
a hat trick of tries for him and a thirty
twenty eight win for the Warriors over the Sharks. As
well as Sean Johnson, of course, Adam Vanua Blake and
Jazz Tavanga also played their final matches for the club
last night. Former Warrior NRL triple centurion and now Skysport

(01:31:58):
Rugby League analyst Adam Blair joins us Adam. Fairy tail
endings don't always happen, and of course the Warriors haven't
made the eight. But how pleased were you to see
Sewan Johnson go out on a bit of a high
last night with a match winning play with his final
action and a Warrior's shit?

Speaker 9 (01:32:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:32:14):
How great was that for? You know, not only the
Warriors and the fans by Sean Johnson. And like you said,
not everyone goes out on anything. And last weekend, you
know it mounts go media Stadius he would have got there,
he didn't get it, but last night he had his
fingerprint over everything. I thought that sick enough. No, I'm
going to be real honest. I didn't think they looked
likely of winning that game, Like you said, I think

(01:32:34):
it was twenty two four at halftime and they had
to come out and play some footy. But you know,
I thought Shawn Johnson stepped up in the second half
and had his fingerprints of everything right to the end
into the last second. In that long ball down he
has stall had a bit of work to do, but
a nice trying, a nice way to finish off all
those boys that are leaving as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Do you reckon any part of Sean Johnson wonders if
he should go around again.

Speaker 11 (01:32:57):
No, no, not at all. You know, I put myself
in Sean's shoes and my time when I was about
to finish up, and I think the Preshoff Swekings game
that go media dame, and I guess the build ups
have been his final home game and the emotion and
all the nity were they used to try and get
through their week. You could see the smile on his
face last and last night's game from the moment he

(01:33:18):
ran now to the moment he finished with their kick
and missed the goal. That those are the moments that
you just know that yep, you've made the right decision
and your addy's right there. And I thought he looked
like they're through the whole game.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Of course, I mean very similar to yourself. You had
fifteen seasons in the NRL. He's just finished his fourteenth,
so pretty similar. Do you remember, Adam, how you felt
in the in the few days or weeks after your
final game? What back in twenty twenty.

Speaker 11 (01:33:43):
Yeah, well I'm a little bit different to Shawn. Havevn't
had like a real I guess, colorful career like Sean Daddy.
He was an icon here in New zyllan arm. You know,
every single kid, every single kid looked up to the
things that he did. He was magical when he come
on stage on the big stage in twenty eleven. And
I think, you know, my decision was literally last minute.

(01:34:03):
It was Captain's run getting the circle. Other boys, that's done.
Hey boys, let's switch over the focus, because again I
wanted to just finish off on a high and enjoy
those moments that I had left with my teammates, those
last moments in the dressing rooms, the last moments on
the field. And yeah, so mine is a little bit different,
but he deserves everything he has. He's been a legend
here in New Zealand for not only international space the

(01:34:25):
key we've got also had the Warriors and every kid,
including my kids, love and thinks he's a legend.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah. Well, barring any remarkable you know, change of mind
and one hundred and eighty degree turn and coming back,
let's just assume he's not coming back. Do you think
Tomighty Martin will get first crack at the seven jersey
next season?

Speaker 8 (01:34:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:34:44):
I think there's a lot of conversations around the halves
at the Warriors. Thing like this year, we would have said,
you know, we've got six six different halves, and we've
got six too many. And you know, you get through
the year and the injuries are everywhere and they're trying
to find these combinations and not too many played together
throughout the year. They had most really five or six
different changes. And I think Tomighty's in the box seat.

(01:35:04):
I think like most of the boys, Metcalf and Cludits,
you've got to get for a solid preseason to give
yourself some confidence so that you can go into the
season feeling like that position is yours. It's up to
anyone to just grab there. And I think Chanelle can
do a good job. To think Metcalf can do a
good job, and I also think somebody can do a
good job. So the balls in their hands and if

(01:35:25):
they work really hard, they get but all definitely own
that position.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Yeah, and you're so wrong. I'm just looking at the
lineups that the Warriors have had and it's been, yeah,
a lot of chopping and changing around six and seven.
I think Chance nikol Kluksta even had a game in
the six jumper at one stage. How important Adam is
it to find to find a combo you like, a
six to seven you like, and barring injury, give them
a decent run in those positions.

Speaker 11 (01:35:48):
Well, it's important you see the best teams and the
competition at this time of the year are playing their
best halves in the right positions and consistency around combinations.
And I guess the most thing is confidence for halves.
They are your main players. They are you'll go to
that your leaders. They are your guys that gets you
in the right position to finish off your set. So
it's important that you have that consistency around the same

(01:36:10):
halves all year. If you're chopping in chosing luck we've
seen this year. Obviously injuries have haven't helped as well.
You're going to get kind of similar results to what
we have. But like you said, Chancey step doesn't. There
may be something some thinking around Charms going into that
six position next year and someone else goings at the seven.
I thought he's a bigger body, he's got some got
some ball playing ability, and you know we're seeing Taine

(01:36:30):
to Opiki at the back last night. I think he's
he's an n RL starter without adult But does he
hang around? Does does is it rocked by someone else.
So there's options there for the Warriors, but they need
to play the people in the right positions.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
For me, yeah, you know you've rippen my mind on
tane to Vicky. I thought he was terrific last night.
It's only had six games this season, same with Ali
Leah Dawa as well, only the six games of Armi
was good last night too. Can you see those two
playing a more significant role next year?

Speaker 11 (01:36:58):
Oh well, I put Taine in the similar position to
change when Charms was first trying to come through to
the Warriors pathways with Roger blocking and from getting a
position at starting at the fullback. So I feel like
if if they're not going to play or play Tane
to Opiki, I think he finds himself at another club
because I think he's a fast up start at any
team if they're looking for a fallback, he's got that

(01:37:18):
different mold or fallback, a lot smaller lot, quicker, lot,
more agile on their feet, similar to Kan o' kenny.
So yeah, Ali to the good thing about the Warriors
and the future looks for it, they've seen We've seen
them be able to bleed some of these young forwards
through Obviously you're losing Adam for Noah Blake, but you
also got ali To Rocco Berry has been sitting on
the side. I think they're the future, these young guys

(01:37:39):
that have come through the pathway other future. Consistency with
them getting time on the fielders is important. So preseason,
that's where it all start with him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Where do you reckon? We'll say, Roger tiv Asschek playing
most off the next season.

Speaker 11 (01:37:52):
I'm going to say wing. That's just me having a stab.
I just don't think he's he's like, he's a fullback
without a doubt. But you know what I mean, like
you've got chance, you've got tame to a pick in
the game's changing real quick. You've seen someone like Clink Gufflerson.
I think the game starting to move past the older
guys with obviously these young guys coming through with the
faster feet, the more athletic, you know what I mean,

(01:38:13):
You're not gonna you're gonna lose mostroy the leadership of
what and the quality of what they bring. But he
got these kids that just come into the game and
just play some football. So I think they find himself
on the on the wing again. You've got some other
wingers there as well, so some challenging times for the
Warriors and some I guess you've got an off season
to try and plan and see what there looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
We know Dan Fanola Blake's off to the Sharks. Do
we know where Jess Tavung is going?

Speaker 11 (01:38:35):
Not at the moment. I think, you know, someone like
Jazz could fit into any club. I like, I've got
a podcast I mentioned him going to the Bulldogs. I
think he fits into that, that mentality that they have
that just keeps tuning up and keep working. He's obviously
got a good relations with Todd Payton at the Cowboys
that could end up going over there. And then maybe
Benji Marshall might offer him a lifeline at the at
the Tigers. So these are just my thoughts to my Inanza,

(01:38:57):
and I think you could add value to all three clubs,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
And just I was watching that game last night, the
second half of particular, Adam, I'm sure you were as well,
and I was thinking to myself, Man, wouldn't it big
if they were like this every week? And I'm sure
that's the you know, that's the golden ticket that every
Tame's after But why do you think it was so
hard for the Warriors to find consistency this year?

Speaker 11 (01:39:16):
Definitely the ins and out of swapping positions and people
not playing in the right position, to injuries. I think
you might have heard if you watched that right to
the end of Sean Johnson's interviews. He managed to get
three consecutive games, and I don't think he's had that
all year. So when when your spine can get some
games together, they start getting a bit of a feel
for the game and they see things because this is

(01:39:38):
what they do, They get their flow on, and that's
what Sean said. He felt like he was into his
own last night. So when he set up that last play,
it was like a sequence play that they've trained, they've
seen it. But this was the third week in the
road that he's managed to get on the field and
it just all seemed to come together at the right
time for Seawan last night. So you know, they've got
to get they've got to get consistency about just making
sure that they've got time on the field and connection together.

(01:40:00):
It's important. Spines are a big part of your team,
and it may be an offseason where they hang out together,
maybe it's simple as having a coffee and having a chat,
you know, and building those relationships, seeing those connections and
being tight as a group.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
That's how that happens. Are we headed for a Storm
Panthers Grand Final? Do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:40:17):
Oh? I think Nathan Clear is a big part of
that pen of Panthers and I'm guessing he's going to
be back in the in the fold the next coming
weeks and it's important that they get in there. I
definitely think the Storm are going to be there. Maybe
two weeks ago I said storm pen of Panthers in
the Grand Final, it's all over. But I've late of
seen someone like the Roosters come into contention. Don't know

(01:40:37):
about their defense. I know they can score a lot
of times and they play a lot of football, but
you know, when it comes down to the Grand Finals
or winning games in this in this next part of
the competition, it's defense that wins wins premierships. And I think, yeah,
I think both teams know how to play these big
moments and they could be those two good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Well, it's great chatting to you, Adam. I hope you've
had a great father's day mate. Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 11 (01:40:58):
Thank you. I appreciate it all the best.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Adam Blair joining us to talk Warriors there. Yeah, I
think the you know, the the unpacking of Warriors season
will happen over the next little while. The season reviews
will take place, and yeah, let's hope that that lessons
are learned. I think, you know, they always are, aren't they.
I think back to this time last year and we
were looking forward to the Warriors and their finals run.
We don't have that to look forward to this year obviously,

(01:41:22):
and you know we've said many times on the show
that that it just hasn't gone the way anybody expected.
We're all looking at this Warriors team like a top
eight outfit at the start of twenty twenty four, not
to be What will twenty twenty five bring well, I
guess we'll find out in a few months time. At Raungioda,
Wellington fourteen ahead of Canterbury after eighteen minutes and their

(01:41:43):
Bunnings NPC match. Checking in on the tennis, Danil Medvedev
six three in the first set and four to a
head in the second over Flavio Koboli. Medvedev, of course,
is the fifth seed two twenty six. When we come back,
We'll flick our attention across the football. Auckland f SEED
less than fifty days away now from their A League debut,

(01:42:06):
Big men's debut anyway, and they've had some new investors
this past week, some high profile new investors. Winston Reed,
Tim Brown, Noah Hickey, three x All Whites have all
jumped on board and jumped into the ownership group. So
what's driven this? Which had to one of them? Noahickey
with us right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Ifs more than just a game? Weekends for it with
Jason Pine and G. J. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted
home builder News Talks, NB.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Two twenty nine on News Talks, heb Three former All
Whites have joined the ownership group of new A League
football club Auckland FC. Winston Reed, Noah Hickey and Tim
Brown have joined former All Black Ali Williams and entrepreneur
Anna Mowbray in investing into the Auckland f C ownership group.
The club remains majority owned though by American businessman Bill Foley.

(01:42:54):
Noah Hickey, one of those three, played professional football for
a decade, including stints with Auckland's earlier editions of professional
clubs the Kings and the Knights. He also had time
playing in Finland thirty three for New Zealand between nineteen
ninety seven and two thousand and seven, including all three
matches at the two thousand and three Confederations Cup. Posters
playing career, no Hicky's been involved in all sorts of things,

(01:43:17):
including mentorship, philanthropy, executive leadership and investing. He's been involved
in successful ventures like pushpay and co founded fashion brand
as You Were. He's currently CEO of fleet maintenance software
company whip Around. He also had eight years on the
board of Wellington Phoenix. No Hicky's with us from where

(01:43:37):
he's now based in San Diego. Man I got tired
even reading that. Noah, I'm surprised you've got time for
something else. How are you, mate?

Speaker 20 (01:43:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:43:46):
Everyone needs passion projects right.

Speaker 20 (01:43:48):
Oh good, Thank you Piney.

Speaker 7 (01:43:49):
Great to hear your voice.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Great to hear yours as well. Mate. Tell us about
the discussions which have led to your investment into Auckland FC.

Speaker 19 (01:43:57):
Yeah, well, you know, it's been as far back as
times when you really kicked in and were became the
prominent figure in New Zealand football as well with the
Wellington Phoenix when that moved down to Wellington and Lloyd
Morrison with a vision and Rob Morrison, who I think
has been the most influential person in New Zealand football.
But I'll get onto that doing what they did. And look,

(01:44:21):
I've been away for quite some time, really for about
eight years in business in the US mostly and always
loves what is happening up here with the MLS and
the growth of it, and always had a passion that
Auckland needs a team and I think what Wellington has
done for not only the league but also for New

(01:44:43):
Zealand has been amazing. So anytime that there was an opportunity,
I thought that we could have a derby. And what
the ultimate dream would be for me is have an
Auckland Wellington final and I could be part of it
with some phenomenal people.

Speaker 20 (01:45:02):
It's it was very hard to convince.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Men good stuff. Was this joint decision by you, Tim
Brown and Winston Reid or did you all make the
decision to get involved independent of one another.

Speaker 19 (01:45:15):
Well, look, I mean we're great mays, the three of us,
and we do regularly keep in touch. I mean I
went and stayed with Brown a few months ago and
I'll do it again soon, and so we've just had
discussions about it for a long long time and being
pretty passionate about doing something. Winston's done his own thing
with academies. I mean, Winston's a powerhouse right just who

(01:45:37):
he is and what he's been able to do. But yeah,
for the most part, I've been head down with the
business and investments, and so it's been loose conversations.

Speaker 7 (01:45:47):
But the moment that.

Speaker 19 (01:45:49):
The opportunity came about, and that was actually a phone
call from Ali and Anna, that's when it really kicked
into gear. But Tim, I mean, I've got to say
Tim's passion behind this and his want well before even
this ownership group came in, he was you know, he's
been in discussions to make it happen anyway. So I
think that's been something that he can be very proud of.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
How much hands on involvement do you think you'll have, Noah.

Speaker 20 (01:46:17):
Probably myself, not so much.

Speaker 19 (01:46:18):
It's more if I look at everyone's strengths on there,
there's Bill is phenomenal. So you know, when I got
the call from Alian Anna, I was in Vegas because
I have to spend a lot of time the off
the business and I was driving past the Vegas Knights
hockey Arena and I was like, Wow, this is meant
to be.

Speaker 7 (01:46:37):
If it's some reason.

Speaker 20 (01:46:40):
The world's aligned.

Speaker 19 (01:46:41):
And I'm looking at this amazing achievement from you know,
Bill and thinking having that in news Villinder is just
I mean, it gives me goose. I'm still to think
that that's where New Zealand sports ownership has got to
because that's what's made it happen here, and the emails
and the like. And so when I look at what
he already has in resources and what he brings, and

(01:47:03):
then I lock at Anna and there's world and you know,
I've had some first hand exposure to that up here.
It's so much bigger than any of us could ever comprehend.
I look at what I can bring, and I, you know,
I think I've got relationships with the Phoenix. I think
us and the Phoenix can actually family.

Speaker 20 (01:47:21):
Will have that hard rivalry.

Speaker 19 (01:47:23):
I have already seen some of the band or even
with our names being mentioned, which is fantastic.

Speaker 20 (01:47:28):
But I do think that, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:47:30):
We can do a lot together for New Zealand football,
and I think the future.

Speaker 7 (01:47:34):
Of New Zealand football is bright.

Speaker 19 (01:47:36):
Having two teams, So any part that I can play
in that is where I really want to do as
much as I can. And then that's something that I
know if we can have more Winston Reeds, we can
have more international transfers going to some of these bigger clubs,
which is already happening. I mean, New Zealand football is

(01:47:56):
a long time and long way advance with players playing
in Europe now when even I was playing.

Speaker 7 (01:48:02):
More of that is what I want to have.

Speaker 20 (01:48:04):
Influence.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
And you mentioned Rob Morris before, and I've listened to
other interviews and read some of your comments since you've
invested in Auckland FC talking about Rob's influence and you
obviously alluded to it a short time ago in our chats.
How big an influence has he been on you? And
as you say, maybe you could expand on his influence
on the game here in New Zealand as well.

Speaker 19 (01:48:27):
Yeah, well look, Hugh Lloyd Morrison, his brother who is
you know, he's past, but he is a hero of
my son's actually named after herm and my grandfather, so
they were two big influencers. And then introduced me to
Rob and the Phoenix right at the early stages and
I got to see firsthand how much work Rob put

(01:48:48):
in to this and it's been phenomenal. I mean in
terms of not just for the Wellington Phoenix as well,
but for the ownership group. There's a couple of the
owners who have had major, major roles in getting the
league to where it is right now. In Melbourne City
they've got Simon, and then I think with Wellington and
having Rob, the owners have actually looked to Rob a

(01:49:11):
lot from what I got to see.

Speaker 9 (01:49:13):
And.

Speaker 19 (01:49:15):
Almost leaned on him because of the way he operates.
So for me, look, I think.

Speaker 20 (01:49:20):
That he is probably if not.

Speaker 19 (01:49:24):
I think he is actually he's the person who has
done the most of New Zealand football in the last
ten years and also for the A League as well
for a New Zealand representation. Everything that I've seen him do,
and then how we as an Auckland group and I
look at myself in a more as football in New

(01:49:46):
Zealand can do things together or follow and always respect
what he did for this pathway. I just feel that
I want to add something as well that I can
to have any touch of what Rob's done because he's
a legend and so you know what influence did you
have on me. I got to watch all of that,

(01:50:08):
I got to learn. I'd say, if there's anything that
I've got a strength, it's just leaning off people that
a much better than me, and you're going and using
it myself.

Speaker 11 (01:50:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
What an attitude. What a great atitude. So are we
going to see you down? I know you're busy, but
we're going to see you down there for any games
for derbies.

Speaker 20 (01:50:22):
Maybe I'd love to be at the derby's.

Speaker 29 (01:50:26):
My schedule is pretty crazy, so I've got uh. I
know that if I missed too many games, Ali will
give me a dead arm and frame the minds.

Speaker 20 (01:50:37):
So that's probably where my fear comes from.

Speaker 7 (01:50:39):
So make sure I get down for quite a bit.

Speaker 19 (01:50:42):
And look, I just I kind of miss New Zealand
and this part of it quite often, right, And so
anything I can do to jump on a plane and
come back and come and catch up with you, Piney
and all of the crew, I'll be That's a great
part of life.

Speaker 7 (01:50:58):
I would say for the future coming.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Up, look forward to seeing you and just what we've
got you. What is what is my taking up most
of your time at the moment? CEO of around that
is that the thing that takes up most of your
time at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:51:12):
I mean, look, I'm on a plane every week. We've
got some of the largest companies in the US construction
through all sorts of things, so I'm learning a lot
through that as well. I spent a ton of time
doing that. But I've got to say my one of
my other major passion projects is surfing, and my son
is just an absolute surfer. So I am driving around

(01:51:33):
all of California. You're taking him to surf competitions and
you know, learning a bit of surf coaching as I
go because I have to. So that's those are the
two things that take out most of your time, and
they're both funds, so I can't say I've got no complaints,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Good stuff. Well it's it was great news during the
week to hear of your investment. Along with Tim Brown
and Winston Reid. You know, three iconic names in our
game and three men who have gone on to great
things post their playing career. No awesome to get the
chance to chat to your mate. Get down here for
one of those derbies. I can't wait to see.

Speaker 7 (01:52:04):
You your top man.

Speaker 20 (01:52:05):
Cheers playing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Thank you, Noah, Noahicky that one of the new investors
into Auckland FC, along with Tim Brown and Winston Reed.
Bill Foley. Of course, the American billionaire businessman is the
majority owner. Anna Moobray and Ali Williams are the others
in that ownership group. Less than fifty days now until
the new A League season starts, including of course, in
a league debut for the new boys on the bloc.

(01:52:27):
Auckland FC twenty one to three will keep the shape
of the ball the same, but go indoors with it.
Futsal next, we spoke yesterday to the coach of the
New Zealand men's team. Next up the captain of the
New Zealand women's team who have earned qualification for next
year's Women's Futsal World Cup. Her name is Hannah Krugman.
She's with us after this on Weekend Sport The.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Pine
and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Talk coming up to forty three on News Talks hed be.
The first edition of the fief for Women's Futsal World
Cup will take place next year in the Philip our
footsal Ferns will be there by virtue of winning the
first ever OFC Futsal Women's Nations Cup in Honiara a
week ago. They beat Fiji seven to one in the final.

(01:53:17):
Hannah Kruckman captained the New Zealand side, was also awarded
the Golden Ball as Player of the tournament and Hannah
Kruckman is with us congratulations on what you and the
side achieved in Honiara. Hannah thirty six goals scored, only
three conceded. Whether a week or so to reflect, how
do you assessed the way the team played to qualify
for the World Cup?

Speaker 30 (01:53:39):
Yeah, no, thank you as well for having me on
this and to speak about it. I think, yeah, it's
a really exciting time for footsall in New Zealand. And yeah,
in terms of how the team played, I mean we
had a few days camp before we went across to
the Somn Islands beforehand to kind of work on kind
of team tacks and things like that. We have a
New Zealand based players but also a few five or

(01:54:00):
six of us kind of overseas as well, so it
was really good to come back together and just work
on kind of you know, the team tactics what we're
focusing on, and we just kind of focused each game
as it came and we're working on kind of the
main principles that we kind of want to play as
a team together.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Can you tell us how long this has been in
the making and how much work has gone into qualifying
for the first ever footsall Women's World Cup.

Speaker 30 (01:54:22):
Yeah, no, definitely it has been a long time coming.
I think we've heard that a lot, but yeah, it's
I think twenty seventeen has been the first ever kind
of women's footstal Ferns team was established and we played
three internationals against New Caledonia. Since then, we've had another
tour against China in twenty nineteen, I think it was.
But yeah, it's a lot of work from a lot

(01:54:43):
of different people. You know, there's people that aren't currently
insof but have put a lot of time, like people
like Dave Payne, and then you've got people like Marvin
Ekins as well, who is currently in Thailand with the
men who are at their pre World Cup tournament. So yeah,
in general, there's been lots of work from lots of
people and just yet grateful for everyone that's kind of
come before us to help kind of pave the way

(01:55:04):
to get us there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
Now it seems incredible that it's taken this long for
there to be a women's footsal World Cup, but here
we are. The first one is next year. Can you
tell us when you found out that there would be
one and how motivating that was for you.

Speaker 30 (01:55:18):
Yeah. I think it was twenty twenty two. We found
out towards the end of the year, and me and
a couple of my friends and football teammates had actually
moved over to the UK earlier in twenty twenty two,
so I think, and part of, like, not the only reason,
but I guess a big part of the reason was
to play more football more regularly. You know, they've got
like a full season over here and we're playing in

(01:55:39):
training every week now, so it was kind of a
big motivation then to hear that a few months after
kind of moving over here, which is kind of made
that move a lot more worth it as well, to
have that, you know, pinnacle world event to work towards.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
And as I mentioned at the start of the chat,
you were the winner of the Golden Ball for best
player at the tournament. I know you it's a team game,
and it's a team game. But how personally satisfying was
it for you to lead from the front and win
that award for Player of the Tournament.

Speaker 30 (01:56:07):
Yeah, obviously it's always really special and to be recognized
with the Golden Ball. Yeah, obviously a proud moment myself.
And yeah, I think I have been working hard in
the past few years. I mean I think I did
my ACL. I can't remember how long it was a
while ago now, but we didn't have much football action
for a while, and so I've just been working on
kind of getting back to where I was before I
did my ACL, and yeah, I think in the Golden

(01:56:28):
Ball maybe, Yeah, finally, Sean, you know, I've got back
to a good place and hopefully, you know, I kind
of can lead by example and show people in New Zealand,
you know, these pathways in futsal and hopefully kind of
inspire more people to play as well. It's really kind
of what I want. And yeah, credit to my teammates though,
I mean everyone had amazing, amazing games and yeah, very
special moment.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
We'll tell us a bit more about the squad that
you've got together, the you know, the mix in terms
of the levels of experience like yourself and maybe some
of the younger ones coming through. Who you know, I
may go to a number of World Cups in the.

Speaker 30 (01:56:59):
Future, Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 24 (01:57:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:57:01):
Differently, I think we had a really good max of
kind of experience and kind of new players coming through,
which goes to show obviously we have kind of grown
the pathway New Zealand a lot like this, Like the
high school competition is huge now, which is like really exciting,
and we've obviously got our national league as well for
players to move into after high school. But in terms
of our sword at the moment, I mean there's I
think there was five or six of us from the

(01:57:22):
original twenty seventeen squad. They also featured in the Solomon
Islands recently, so that's really cool, and I think, yeah,
it's like seven or eight years you know for us,
so that that's I guess really special. But in terms
of the mixture that the young players, you've got kind
of Jim mccathword Jamie Evans, Jordie Jordana Bremner as well.
Who I mean, those two players are just unreal and

(01:57:44):
they've kind of come through the pathway there. I think
they're around around their twenties, so they have I guess
a long future hopefully in futsal. That's what they want
to do and keep doing. But they were all amazing
in some islands and really good for them to get
kind of international experience as well. Just the pressure, especially
in the final, Like it's a different kind of pressure

(01:58:05):
that you feel when you're playing a final compared to
like the group games, I think for them to get
that experience as well. We were actually it was two
one at half time, so I'm not a school line
at seven one you know, shows like a decent gap,
but we were two one up at half time, so
it was very close. You know, it was very tense
out there, like the finals can go anyway, especially footsal
was into end. You never know what's going to happen.
So for those three young players to get that experience

(01:58:26):
of that kind of intense game I think was really
good and really promising for the future of our team.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Do you have a background in the traditional eleven of
side game, Hannah, you know outdoor football, and when did
you start taking futsal more seriously?

Speaker 30 (01:58:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I started playing foot when I
was five, you know, like lots of people didn't do
in New Zealand, but yeah, I certly started playing footsal
probably around seventeen eighteen. One of my friend's dads, actually
Daniel Bradley, who's got one of our goalkeepers in the team.
Her dad start actually kind of got a bunch of
us together playing futsal when we were kind of seventeen eighteen.

(01:59:03):
We all met. A lot of us met kind of
through football at that time as well, and so we
kind of just started playing for fun because we were
all from like different parts of like Auckland, all kind
of just came together as a friendship group and we're
playing footsore. So that's kind of how my football journey started.
And then yeah, a couple of years after that is
when we kind of maybe started taking it a bit
more seriously, so university there's kind of university competitions, and

(01:59:24):
then in twenty seventeen the World University Games in Brazil
was on, So that was probably the moment where it
was like, Okay, you know, there are opportunities. Although maybe
it's not as many opportunities as in football at the moment,
like there was still kind of some really exciting opportunities
and you know, I just fell in love with the game,
so yeah, I wanted to keep on with it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
Great stuff. So you're one of the first teams to
qualify for the World Cup. In fact, I think the
first team to actually qualify. The host the Philippines of course,
will be there too, so you've got the best part
of a year or so to prepare. Ideally, how often
will you spend time together as a team in preparation
for that for the first World Cup?

Speaker 30 (01:59:59):
Yeah, I mean, obviously I want to say, oh yeah,
but realistically I think it would be amazing to get
a couple of tours under our bouts before the World Cup.
There isn't actually a date set yet, so it all
has been said that it's going to be kind of
October November roughly is kind of what they're looking at,
but no kind of exact dates yet. So hopefully at

(02:00:21):
least kind of two tours where we can go play
a few countries beforehand would be amazing. And then for
the players based in New Zealand, I think it'll be
great to have kind of you know, a weekend camps
leading up throughout the year essentially, and our national league
is in kind of January, to aprils when players will
be training and playing with their kind of regions, So

(02:00:43):
especially after that, ramping it up to you know, a
couple of sessions a month for the New Zealand based
players at least, and then the overseas based players coming
in for tours or camps where they see fit. But yeah,
see budget callustrates and things like that. So yeah, we'll
just hope for the hope for the best and yeah,
see what we can get.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
Yeah, well, I hope you they'll get a decent program
together for you. And you mentioned Marven Deakins before we
had them on the show yesterday to the futs All whites,
your male counterparts there are about to embark on their
Footsall World Cup for the first time in the next
couple of weeks. How pleased were you for them to
make it after a few years of trying unsuccessfully.

Speaker 30 (02:01:20):
Yeah, and I was exscaitic for them, And yeah, they
probably have been maybe working towards qualifying for that even
longer than we have for our one. So yeah, I think, yeah,
Marvin would have been super proud and yeah, super excited
for the opportunity to go there and you know, be
involved in the first World Cup for the men. So yeah,
super proud of them and you're really excited to see
what they can do. Obviously got their few games in

(02:01:42):
Thailand as well before the World Cup and then yeah,
so super excited.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
Yeah, no, well excited for them and excited for you, Hannah,
as you've guided the Futsal Ferns to their first Footsall
World Cup next year in the Philippines. Thanks so much
for joining us. Congratulations, hope you get plenty of plenty
of build up matches next year, and again I appreciate
you taking the time for a chat today. Thanks Jason,
Thanks Hannah. Hannah Crukman there the captain of the New
Zealand Footsalerns, off to the Futsal World Cup in the

(02:02:08):
Philippines at the back end of next year. Eight Away
from three News Talk ZIB.

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend
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Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
Zebby five to three. Claire says, what is footsal Please explain? Yes,
I'm sorry, Claire, I should have done that. Indoor football.
So think of the game of football soccer inside five
a side, one of those as a keeper. Huge sport
around the world and growing all the time. The first
ever Women's World Cup next year. The Men's World Cup
has been going for quite some time, so yeah, thanks
for the question. I should have made that Clara a

(02:02:41):
short time ago, thirty one nil to Wellington over Canterbury
at halftime and RUNGI or goodness me, what's happened to Canterbury.
We haven't got time to unpack that today, but maybe
we'll do that at some stage in the next little while.
Thank you for listening into the show this afternoon, Tim
Beverid's This Afternoon from three with the Weekend Collective. Massive
thanks to Andy McDonnell for pulling the show together over

(02:03:02):
the last couple of days. Thank you for your calls
and contributions. We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow night between
seven and eight, taking us out on the first day
of September. Lots of songs about September to choose from,
but I've gone with the Earth, Wind and Fire song
simply called September out of nineteen seventy eight. Hope the

(02:03:23):
month has started well for you. See you tomorrow night
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