James McOnie joined D'Arcy to discuss the All Blacks' loss to South Africa, the Tasman Mako's victory for the Ranfurly Shield and the start of the NFL season.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalksb se.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Get on to James. We've found down the back of
the couch today, macconey, is that where you've been all
these months? Don't try and tell me you've been overseas.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
A little bit of overseas and just down in Taranaki
for a conductive education fundraiser. Incredible people are doing education
for disabled kids. And Wayne Smith was one of the
keynote speakers and so some of my opinions this morning
may be influenced by the professor.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So you got them with you now just put them
on the phone.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Not exactly, it's a much better idea. And can I
just give you some cutos for the first part of
the hour with Anna Grimaldi and then Campbell Padata, just
absolute unbridled joy. So I'm guessing this is the miserable part.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, no, no, don't don't be smiling for me, James.
You don't have to be miserable. You're not texting in
come on, someone takes it and the naki is taking
it from the muck or up the naki that's from
chop So would you buy into that as well? Would
you do?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know what, I love the shield so much. I
had a quick look and thought if there was a
one match tenure for the for the rest of the season,
so it just keeps on going around. I think Otago
ends up with it if everybody loses a first challenge.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Who treats it the worst? Now I'm not going to
go along those lines. Already did that with PTA. Let's
talk about what you want to talk about All Blacks
South Africa. Shed some light on it, please.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, well, I thought your call has made some great points,
but I am going to zag where they have zig
and I will actually stick up for Damien McKenzie, not
because I'm a punishing Chiefs fan, but just because I
think at first five there's a lot of nuances to
that position. And I know that everyone goes on about
game management and that's totally fair enough, but also in
(02:01):
test matches of that magnitude of game management is that
big a problem in the coaches have to take some
responsibility there because you watched that last quarter and I
think there were several mistakes from a number of All Blacks,
including you know, great All Blacks, and I don't think
mackenzie apart from off the tee. Yes, I know that
was a problem, the kicking, but I don't think he
(02:24):
was as at fault as many think.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well name them. You can't just throw muddet people and
not name them. Who are the great? All blacks? Are
the great all blacks in that side? What mistakes they made?
Come on? James front up.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, I mean I think you know exactly like well,
I think we've got a drop ball from the captain.
There was several breakdown penalties and you can go in
and talk about that. One was for not releasing, one
was for an incorrect clean out. There was a yellow
card from Tyrell Lomax. I'm just talking about all these
mistakes in the final quarter. Yeah, dmac missed a couple
(02:59):
of kicks, but I just think there needs to be
some perspective. It is a team sport. And by the way,
if we are talking about kicks, I think Jordie should
be taking the long range goals. And don't at me
because he has got In golfing terms, he's the driver
and DMC is the three iron, and I think he's
got ten meters more range and so he should be
(03:20):
taking those fifty meter plus kicks and leave DMAC on
the short range ones, although admittedly he did miss one.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And I'll pass that message on to the All Black management,
not that they were taking any of my advice, but
so be it. Do we get away from that, go
to the Ranfurly shield. The storied career of this log
of wood continues. And when you think about the history
of rugby in this country and the way things chomp
and change and the way things develop and so on
(03:50):
and so forth, this thing's still going and it still
creates a ruckus that's extraordinary, the tenure, the hold it's
had on that he's on in rugby public.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
There's still magic about the shield, and to be honest,
it's one of the things about New z On rugby
that other nations should have taken note. And I think
you can do it in contact sport. It's a bit
tricky in football where someone can nick a goal in
the last second and it just changes everything, but generally,
once you've slogged it out over eighty minutes, you can
work out a worthy winner. So I feel like a
(04:23):
ran Philly shield concept should be used by all other
nations and all other contact codes. Like whether it's the
NRL or the NFL in America because just having that
fortress mentality it means something. You can see the pride
in it, and how great is it that most of
these these players are just young kids, but they still
(04:44):
get it, They still get how amazing the shield is,
you know, one hundred years on from its inception.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And you say kids, because they've been brought up with
the wonderment of the Randfuri Shield. It's the whole oral tradition,
is it? The history handed down? And they know, I
mean it's a part of the even ninety seventy three around.
I think a lot of people would missed that one.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
And want to kick off the bench if only we
kicked like that and capturing And I'm not going to
go back there, but I would say, just in terms
of the bench, did I still feel that bomb squad?
If we are just to backtrack a little bit about
the abs the bomb squad idea, the All Blacks still
haven't worked out how to counter that, because, as you've
(05:30):
talked about on the show, there were several players left
high and dry reserves not even used. So I do
think that the coaches are going to have to take
a hit on that lost last night. I don't think
it's time to get the knives out solely for the players.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Did the quarter that rang through and said, look, there's
been a succession plan for so long with the All Blacks.
This is a fresh team with fresh coaching staffes that
give them a bit of wiggle room.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Do you think, yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm not even
saying that the coaches need to change. I'm just saying
that they'll realize that they've got a few things wrong tactically.
And really, the intensity of a spring box All Blacks
tests is something It's just another level. I think every nation,
(06:17):
doesn't matter whether it's your northern hemisphere or even just
the Minnows, they'll use that those two test matches of
the past two weeks as a master class an intensity
and how to perform or not perform in the clutch.
You know, it's just you can feel it, you can
sense it. I don't think there's anything like it. I
guess maybe Origin at its peak used to feel like that,
(06:40):
But those spring boxs All Blacks tests are just something else.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Third Ay minutester two, you're getting a hammering on text. Well,
if one text is a hammering, apparently you're showing your
chief's bias and you can see that coming, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh yeah, I know that's going to happen. But look,
I'm all for actually persevering with a player who's feedingly talented.
I thought that, for example one Backline movie, it's perfect.
But Willie LaRue got his hand in the way of
Boden's past. You know, if that pass was thrown a
split second earlier, seven Reese makes the break and Boden
(07:17):
finishes on the inside, Like, I mean, that is a
definite try right there. And it was a yellow card
to South Africa probably the right you know risk that.
These are the things I think people need to understand.
It is sport and things weird, little things happen that
tip tip the balance and all those mistakes I'm talking
about from the all blacks. I don't necessarily blame them.
I'm just saying they happened as well.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Come on, I've had it all before. They don't do
it deliberately, and that's what people have got to realize.
That people take this as a personal front like they're
being intacked themselves. I didn't go out there to do that, right,
It's not their.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Plan exactly I know, and that's the thing. I mean, look,
there's I think it's been an incredible test matches and
I've just admired what the All Blacks have done. They
just finished up short. So can we just deal with
that maybe in the mature man. I mean, yeah, obviously
everybody sort of throws their toys every now and then,
but it's not that bad.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I refuse to throw my toys out of the cot
that I pretty much live in on results that I've
got absolutely no control over it. Why would you your nuts?
And we'll finish things off football. It's all on now
in the United States of America right across the conference.
There's plenty going on. Two games yesterday went to Brazil,
and I've got a whole lot coming up in the
(08:34):
next couple of days. What have you got on that?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, I'm just here to say, if you're not into
the NFL, maybe it's time to pick a team. I'm
a Detroit Lions fan. We're apparently the team that sucked
the most and has the longest drouts of no Super
Bowls and no championships or whatever you want to say
over sixty six years. So look, I think there's a
(08:57):
lot to like about the NFL. And the other thing
is it's massive the ratings. I think it accounted for
the top twenty shows in America last year between college
football and the NFL. So are you a fan of yourself, Darcy?
Who do you support?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I support the Jacksonville Jaguars and there is a reason
behind that that. I remember Ben Mallow, who's going to
excuse me join us in about an hour's time, when
we first started talking on here about I want to have
been twenty years ago now. I asked him who I
should support, and he told me that the Jacksonville Jaguars
were a dumpster fire. And I said, that's it. I'm in.
(09:34):
That's my team. And they were and I followed them.
And then Blake Bortles turned up and he wasn't very good,
but they won a couple of games anyway. So that
is my connection. It's Jacksonville because they were so bad,
were kindred spirits.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
James, Yeah, I know this, and that's that's the thing.
You can just choose in the area, choose a player
who you like, you know the specifica players there to
a tongue of my lower with as a quarterback for
the Dolphins, Pookin the cour as someone receiver for the
l A Rams. I mean, there's plenty of ways to
(10:07):
sort of get into it, but look, I think the
tribal is and what they've got over there is something
that every contact sport, including league and rugby, need to
look at because it seems to be growing and thriving
while we with our own domestic competition struggle for crowd.
So you know it should actually serve as a bit
(10:30):
of a lesson as well. Really watch this space, how
do you replicate what the NFL.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Does hold on the rugby union rugby league? You're going
along the same track because they're slowing the game down
ridiculous and you spend more time sitting there looking at
decisions being made than watching accident Dad is my issue
with that game. And on that note, until next time,
Jason Pine decides to desert the studio. James Mconi, thanks
very much for your time, your attitudes, your opinion, your expertise,
(10:58):
your wonderment.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Thank you friend, cheers does lovely to chat to you.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Take am I well eight minutes to two o'clock. This
is news talks it but you're on the Weekend Sport.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to news talks it be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalksb se.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Get on to James. We've found down the back of
the couch today, macconey, is that where you've been all
these months? Don't try and tell me you've been overseas.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
A little bit of overseas and just down in Taranaki
for a conductive education fundraiser. Incredible people are doing education
for disabled kids. And Wayne Smith was one of the
keynote speakers and so some of my opinions this morning
may be influenced by the professor.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So you got them with you now just put them
on the phone.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Not exactly, it's a much better idea. And can I
just give you some cutos for the first part of
the hour with Anna Grimaldi and then Campbell Padata, just
absolute unbridled joy. So I'm guessing this is the miserable part.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, no, no, don't don't be smiling for me, James.
You don't have to be miserable. You're not texting in
come on, someone takes it and the naki is taking
it from the muck or up the naki that's from
chop So would you buy into that as well? Would
you do?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know what, I love the shield so much. I
had a quick look and thought if there was a
one match tenure for the for the rest of the season,
so it just keeps on going around. I think Otago
ends up with it if everybody loses a first challenge.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Who treats it the worst? Now I'm not going to
go along those lines. Already did that with PTA. Let's
talk about what you want to talk about All Blacks
South Africa. Shed some light on it, please.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, well, I thought your call has made some great points,
but I am going to zag where they have zig
and I will actually stick up for Damien McKenzie, not
because I'm a punishing Chiefs fan, but just because I
think at first five there's a lot of nuances to
that position. And I know that everyone goes on about
game management and that's totally fair enough, but also in
(02:01):
test matches of that magnitude of game management is that
big a problem in the coaches have to take some
responsibility there because you watched that last quarter and I
think there were several mistakes from a number of All Blacks,
including you know, great All Blacks, and I don't think
mackenzie apart from off the tee. Yes, I know that
was a problem, the kicking, but I don't think he
(02:24):
was as at fault as many think.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well name them. You can't just throw muddet people and
not name them. Who are the great? All blacks? Are
the great all blacks in that side? What mistakes they made?
Come on? James front up.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, I mean I think you know exactly like well,
I think we've got a drop ball from the captain.
There was several breakdown penalties and you can go in
and talk about that. One was for not releasing, one
was for an incorrect clean out. There was a yellow
card from Tyrell Lomax. I'm just talking about all these
mistakes in the final quarter. Yeah, dmac missed a couple
(02:59):
of kicks, but I just think there needs to be
some perspective. It is a team sport. And by the way,
if we are talking about kicks, I think Jordie should
be taking the long range goals. And don't at me
because he has got In golfing terms, he's the driver
and DMC is the three iron, and I think he's
got ten meters more range and so he should be
(03:20):
taking those fifty meter plus kicks and leave DMAC on
the short range ones, although admittedly he did miss one.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And I'll pass that message on to the All Black management,
not that they were taking any of my advice, but
so be it. Do we get away from that, go
to the Ranfurly shield. The storied career of this log
of wood continues. And when you think about the history
of rugby in this country and the way things chomp
and change and the way things develop and so on
(03:50):
and so forth, this thing's still going and it still
creates a ruckus that's extraordinary, the tenure, the hold it's
had on that he's on in rugby public.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
There's still magic about the shield, and to be honest,
it's one of the things about New z On rugby
that other nations should have taken note. And I think
you can do it in contact sport. It's a bit
tricky in football where someone can nick a goal in
the last second and it just changes everything, but generally,
once you've slogged it out over eighty minutes, you can
work out a worthy winner. So I feel like a
(04:23):
ran Philly shield concept should be used by all other
nations and all other contact codes. Like whether it's the
NRL or the NFL in America because just having that
fortress mentality it means something. You can see the pride
in it, and how great is it that most of
these these players are just young kids, but they still
(04:44):
get it, They still get how amazing the shield is,
you know, one hundred years on from its inception.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And you say kids, because they've been brought up with
the wonderment of the Randfuri Shield. It's the whole oral tradition,
is it? The history handed down? And they know, I
mean it's a part of the even ninety seventy three around.
I think a lot of people would missed that one.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
And want to kick off the bench if only we
kicked like that and capturing And I'm not going to
go back there, but I would say, just in terms
of the bench, did I still feel that bomb squad?
If we are just to backtrack a little bit about
the abs the bomb squad idea, the All Blacks still
haven't worked out how to counter that, because, as you've
(05:30):
talked about on the show, there were several players left
high and dry reserves not even used. So I do
think that the coaches are going to have to take
a hit on that lost last night. I don't think
it's time to get the knives out solely for the players.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Did the quarter that rang through and said, look, there's
been a succession plan for so long with the All Blacks.
This is a fresh team with fresh coaching staffes that
give them a bit of wiggle room.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Do you think, yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm not even
saying that the coaches need to change. I'm just saying
that they'll realize that they've got a few things wrong tactically.
And really, the intensity of a spring box All Blacks
tests is something It's just another level. I think every nation,
(06:17):
doesn't matter whether it's your northern hemisphere or even just
the Minnows, they'll use that those two test matches of
the past two weeks as a master class an intensity
and how to perform or not perform in the clutch.
You know, it's just you can feel it, you can
sense it. I don't think there's anything like it. I
guess maybe Origin at its peak used to feel like that,
(06:40):
But those spring boxs All Blacks tests are just something else.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Third Ay minutester two, you're getting a hammering on text. Well,
if one text is a hammering, apparently you're showing your
chief's bias and you can see that coming, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh yeah, I know that's going to happen. But look,
I'm all for actually persevering with a player who's feedingly talented.
I thought that, for example one Backline movie, it's perfect.
But Willie LaRue got his hand in the way of
Boden's past. You know, if that pass was thrown a
split second earlier, seven Reese makes the break and Boden
(07:17):
finishes on the inside, Like, I mean, that is a
definite try right there. And it was a yellow card
to South Africa probably the right you know risk that.
These are the things I think people need to understand.
It is sport and things weird, little things happen that
tip tip the balance and all those mistakes I'm talking
about from the all blacks. I don't necessarily blame them.
I'm just saying they happened as well.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Come on, I've had it all before. They don't do
it deliberately, and that's what people have got to realize.
That people take this as a personal front like they're
being intacked themselves. I didn't go out there to do that, right,
It's not their.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Plan exactly I know, and that's the thing. I mean, look,
there's I think it's been an incredible test matches and
I've just admired what the All Blacks have done. They
just finished up short. So can we just deal with
that maybe in the mature man. I mean, yeah, obviously
everybody sort of throws their toys every now and then,
but it's not that bad.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I refuse to throw my toys out of the cot
that I pretty much live in on results that I've
got absolutely no control over it. Why would you your nuts?
And we'll finish things off football. It's all on now
in the United States of America right across the conference.
There's plenty going on. Two games yesterday went to Brazil,
and I've got a whole lot coming up in the
(08:34):
next couple of days. What have you got on that?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, I'm just here to say, if you're not into
the NFL, maybe it's time to pick a team. I'm
a Detroit Lions fan. We're apparently the team that sucked
the most and has the longest drouts of no Super
Bowls and no championships or whatever you want to say
over sixty six years. So look, I think there's a
(08:57):
lot to like about the NFL. And the other thing
is it's massive the ratings. I think it accounted for
the top twenty shows in America last year between college
football and the NFL. So are you a fan of yourself, Darcy?
Who do you support?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I support the Jacksonville Jaguars and there is a reason
behind that that. I remember Ben Mallow, who's going to
excuse me join us in about an hour's time, when
we first started talking on here about I want to have
been twenty years ago now. I asked him who I
should support, and he told me that the Jacksonville Jaguars
were a dumpster fire. And I said, that's it. I'm in.
(09:34):
That's my team. And they were and I followed them.
And then Blake Bortles turned up and he wasn't very good,
but they won a couple of games anyway. So that
is my connection. It's Jacksonville because they were so bad,
were kindred spirits.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
James, Yeah, I know this, and that's that's the thing.
You can just choose in the area, choose a player
who you like, you know the specifica players there to
a tongue of my lower with as a quarterback for
the Dolphins, Pookin the cour as someone receiver for the
l A Rams. I mean, there's plenty of ways to
(10:07):
sort of get into it, but look, I think the
tribal is and what they've got over there is something
that every contact sport, including league and rugby, need to
look at because it seems to be growing and thriving
while we with our own domestic competition struggle for crowd.
So you know it should actually serve as a bit
(10:30):
of a lesson as well. Really watch this space, how
do you replicate what the NFL.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Does hold on the rugby union rugby league? You're going
along the same track because they're slowing the game down
ridiculous and you spend more time sitting there looking at
decisions being made than watching accident Dad is my issue
with that game. And on that note, until next time,
Jason Pine decides to desert the studio. James Mconi, thanks
very much for your time, your attitudes, your opinion, your expertise,
(10:58):
your wonderment.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Thank you friend, cheers does lovely to chat to you.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Take am I well eight minutes to two o'clock. This
is news talks it but you're on the Weekend Sport.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to news talks it be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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