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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalk ZEDB for the.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Gold medal, Kiwi's can fly and hamishkur scales his everest
and his high jump Olympic champion and he is away
Homous cur sprinting around this arena.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
One of the truly great sporting moments of twenty twenty four.
Hamish curR winning Olympic gold in the high jump exactly
five weeks ago. This morning seems longer, doesn't it. Back
home now and in studio with this Hamish cur Great
to see you mate, Thanks for stopping. And how often
does your mind drift back to that Olympic final five
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weeks ago?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
A lot? Yeah, it's definitely a moment. This burnt into
my mind for the rest of my life. But yeah,
it's probably probably not in the ways that people think.
I remember the run across the field, and I remember
spending a lot of time in media and and and
doping and and various other things afterwards, and then and
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then spending time with my family.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
The run across the field was that that that can't
have been premeditated? Was that just spur of the moment,
adrenaline rush.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Ah, it was a little bit premutitated. I so, so
athletics has got this thing. So there's obviously a lot
going on in the stadium, and that's that's something that's
massive for our sports. It's really cool, you know, you
get to go along and and just watch all these
events happening at once. Most people say like, man, I
didn't realize how busy it was, and it is. There's
it's just hectic. But in saying that, like the middle
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of the field is never used. It's it's javelin, it's discussed,
it's it's the long throws get thrown into the middle
of the field. But because of that, no athletes even
go in there. And so you're only kind of involving
like one portion of the stadium at any given moment.
And so typically in a high jump, obviously being at
one sided the stadium, if I was to, like when
the competition or something big happened, I'd run towards the crowd,
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and that would then mean that the rest of the
stadium is not involved anymore. And knowing that it was
right at the end of the at the meat, the
entire stadium was clapping and getting behind the jump off
I just think it was fitting to instead of running
towards one side, running right into the middle, because because
then everyone could sort of get a bit of a
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taste and celebrate with me. So yeah, was a little
bit a little bit premutitated. I did have to wait
for the jablin to finish, and that had finished a
few minutes before I did my last jump, and I
sort of I had noticed that it had finished, and
so I knew that it was time to clear that
last jump and run.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Loved it, mate, Iconic moment. Iconic moment. I remember speaking
to you. I think it was about one in the
morning Paris time you'd done so much media and stuff.
What time did you actually get to bed?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I got to bed at probably six thirty?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So yeah, So left the stadium, finished finished event at
about nine, left the stadium at two, and then just
straight to my girlfriend and siblings Airbnb. So they were
actually staying like really close by, so I was able
to just walk, which was super nice, and then hang
out for them. They were they were probably more excited
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than I was at that point. I was kind of
just in shock, just sitting in the corner, kind of
steering at my middle, and they were just bouncing around
off the walls and then and then eventually got to
be at about six thirty.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They talk about these things sinking in. Was there a
point at which you realized the magnitude of what you'd achieved?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Ah esed to No, Like, I mean, I think for
me it feels strangely normal, like it's it's it's obviously
there's there's waves of motion, and there's there's times where
you kind of do have to check yourself and and
kind of really listen to your body. And I think
there's going to be a lot of that in the
next next few months as just writing those waves of
intense emotion, you know, the highs and lows. But yeah,
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at the same time, you know, we put a really
good plan in place, and we were really kind of
strict on what we were trying to achieve going into
that games, and so because of that, I think, I
think it does feel like it's sunken, because it felt
like what we were trying to achieve.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
One of your great lines afterwards, qualifying was qualifying sucks.
It's easy to forget. Man, what two misses at two twenty?
How did you manage your way through that third jump?
And qualifying at two twenty.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, look, qualifying, That's what I'll never forget as well,
that feeling of sitting there after that second attempt. So
the first attempt was just about jump, you know, you
have that. The second attempt, I stumbled through the middle
of my run up because I was so nervous. My
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leagues kind of just gave out. And then you're kind
of sitting there going this has happened. The two previous
World champs failed to make the final. This is at
a lower height than either of those, complete catastrophic disasters,
so this would have been even worse. And it's it's
the one that I was an amazing shape going into
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and yeah, you know, part of part of me that
was sitting there thinking maybe I don't have the goods,
Maybe I'm not you know, maybe there's just something missing.
Maybe there's just a little bit of me that will
never be able to get up for these really important moments.
But but then you go back to process and you
pull yourself out of that and you kind of remove
yourself from the emotions. Those those emotions don't really mean
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anything on the big stage. They just they just your
body trying to give you an exit strategy, and so
so I just got back to my breathing and my
visualization and just tried to visualize the jumps as objectively
as possible. And yeah, I just looked at my coach
and he was got me through that. I mean, you know,
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I was. I was looking at him going like, am
I gonna be able to do this? And he's like, yeah,
of course you are, Like you've done this, this is
just what you do, like you can do this, and
been able to look at him and know that. I mean,
I was really crying, like it was. It was just
like such an emotional time for me. And yes, it's
just so weird because it's you know, that was probably
the lowest point in my career potentially could have been
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it probably it probably would have been the end of
my career if I hadn't cleared that. And yet, you know,
you you fast forwards six weeks and that's just a
completely different picture.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That is incredible insight, man, because all the stuff you've
just told told us there would would lead to a
natural conclusion that you missed the third one. You know
that you're doubting yourself, got self doubt in the biggest moment, man,
and then and then you're clear, and then and then
you're over at two twenty seven, and qualifying later on
you jump to thirty six. What is it about the
sport that allows you to jump to thirty six but
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sometimes miss sometimes miss two twenty.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I think it just goes to show how much timing
is important. You know, we obviously do a lot of
training and you try and get as strong and as
fast and as physically gifted as possible, and you want
to really build those those metrics. But at the end
of the day, if you can't put it down, you know,
it doesn't really count for anything. So I think that's
the biggest thing for high jump especially is it's so
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so timing base. You can't just push harder, you have
to actually push better, and so it's not just a
case of like just digging in and really going for it.
You actually have to be thinking the whole time around
what that looks like and how your technique needs to
change based on that. So yeah, it's a bit of
a mind game, but it's a pretty fun part of
our sport.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Because you have two misses at two thirty one in
the final as well. Did what happen in qualifying, help
you negotiate the third jump at two thirty one, because
miss that and you don't get a metal right.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Look, I mean those missus in qualifying at two twenty
that was the hardest point in my life. And to
go through that with the techniques that we had and
the work that we've done, and be able to use
that work to actually get me through that. It actually
made the rest of the competition easy. You know that
two thirty one I knew that it was in me.
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It was just a matter of putting it down, and
then the jump off was was just an amazing experience
regardless of the results. So yeah, I feel like once I,
once I did that qualifying jump, yeah, it was just
about digging myself back out of that hole and just
getting on with it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Can you put to bed any rumors about the jump
off with Shelby McEwan? Did who got asked first? Did
anybody say yeah, hey, let's share it? Well, can you
give us the give us the actual version of events?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah? I mean, look, I don't think I'll ever be
putting this fully to bed. You know, it doesn't matter
how many times I talk about it, But there's there's
always people who can can misconstrue it, But no, what
happened was so I we we knew that we were
we were even. I didn't realize we're even until about
halfway through the two thirty eight round, which is which
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is the one that we ultimately both must and therefore
triggered the jump off. So I was kind of going
back and forth of the officials being like, oh, what's the score,
like what's where are we actually at? But with about
two jumps, well two jumps to go on that round,
I realized that that we were equal and there was
a real chance we were going to a jump off.
He had just done two personal bests. I think I
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switched off just a little bit, which was which was
probably I was guilty of that on my part, but
at the same time, you know, I knew i'd get
it back. I just depended on whether it would be
at that round. So I came off the mat. I
was jumping second, so he had already done his third attempt.
He was already out, so I was kind of all
on me. And that's that's where that famous jump of
me jumping under the bar came from, because I I
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just got my time wrong and pushed two hards. So
so yeah, kind of did that, got off the mat,
walked over to Shelby, locked him in the eyes. He
was already standing there with your fisials and yeah, you
can't have this moment of like what's going to go on,
like what's happening here? Like you know, what do you think?
What I thinking? And I just nodded at him. I
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was like, least jump and He's like yeah, and so
and that was it. You know, it wasn't it wasn't
drawn out, There wasn't a big chat. It was just
let's jump and and and we did that. So yeah,
I think obviously, you know, you could look at that
a lot of different ways, and a lot of people have.
But at the same time, I think that was really
fitting that in Tokyo, we you know, we got to
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experience them sharing it, but I think this time there
was no way we're going to share it. It was
it was definitely a case of wanting to know who
who was the best. And I was more happy I'd
already come to terms with it, like I'd already kind
of talked with it with my team and the potential
going to jump off, which is it's impossibly low, Like
it's not even a conversation you should be having because
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it just never happens in competitions. Are the only two
competitions I've ever been a part of which have gone
to a jump off of the two Olympic finals, and
so for me, I was at peace worth the fact
that I would rather come second and a jump off
and no than not know.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
One of the co gold medal holders from Tokyo, Mutaz
is a bachine from Kuta. He was jumping brilliantly.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Every time I watched him jump, he was just miles
over imperious. Then he missed twice at two thirty six
paston and missed it to thirty eight. So give us
some insight there, what happened to him at those higher heights?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, I mean Basham's he's one of the greatest high
jumpers of all time. He's got second highest height in
terms of personal bests. He's jumped two forty three. So
I jumped two thirty six. In the Olympic final, he
jumped two forty three, which is just just mind blowing.
He jumped to forty at like ten years in a row.
But he's old, like he's coming to the end of
his career. He's already indicated that that was going to
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be his last Olympics. He's done four and he's meddled
at every single one of them. So for him, you know,
I competed against them all season. He's an amazing high jump.
He looks just so beautiful, but he does kind of
potentially lack that kind of top end that he used
to have, and so you know, that kind of sixth
gear that you would reach for in those moments, he
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just doesn't quite have anymore. And so yeah, I mean
I always saw him as a threat, but I think
that the way that I I was, the way that
he was jumping, you kind of knew that there was
only so many jumps on him, and so yeah, I
think I think once he once he did that two
thirty four and went up two thirty six, so you
kind of knew that it was all over from two forty.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
No, it's jumped op for ages, you reckon, you're still
got that two forty in you.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely the next goal. I think.
I think for me, you know, how do you kind
of reframe a career when you've kind of won it
all it's it's sort of a weird place to be in,
the place that I didn't really ever think I would
be in. But for me, the reason I got into
athletics is just this ability to be able to constantly
push to be better, and you know, the feeling of
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doing personal bests, whether it was one sixty five and
year eight or one seventy eight and year nine, or
or you know, two thirty six and twenty twenty four,
it's it's such a special feeling. And you know, it's
just that feeling of never having done something before and
then finally achieving it. So yeah, it's it's still what
gets me up every morning, and I think two forty
is going to be that next barrier.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You got a bit of a break, have you now?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah? Yeah I do. Yeah, I'm not training for the
I'm trying not to think about it, but probably November
I'll start again.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Mate. Great to see your iconic moment, my favorite moment
of the Olympic Games. It's been amazing chatting to you
in the lead up and then watching you do it
just sensational. Enjoy a bit of a break, Great to
chat to you. Thanks for popping in.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Cheers. Painting thanks, no, thank you mate.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
That is a Hamish Kerr Olympic high jump gold medalist
from Paris twenty twenty four. What incredible insight there, Nick
on text mate, that moment, that moment right there, two
jumps down career on the line from there to a
gold medal. That's what champions are made of. Thanks for
that moment, Hamish. Indeed, so say all of us you
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do forget. I don't think I'd forgotten necessarily, but I
remember when Hamish Kerr had jumped two or I had
missed two twenty twice in qualifying, and it's like, he's
got one more chance at this. If he misses here,
he's not even in final. This isn't qualifying. He'd missed
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it two twenty twice, a height that ordinarily he clears easily.
It's incredible. What pressure does to you, what competition does
to you. And listen to him talk there saying that
he would have that would have been it if he
had missed that jump at two twenty the third in
qualifying and not qualified for the final. He said it
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just then, that would probably have been it. Amazing from there,
as Nick just said in that text, to a gold
medal talk about a pivotal moment. Yeah, Ams Kerr. He
was already it, already had tears in his eyes, and
yet somehow found it within himself to clear it. Astonishing
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nice gold medal too, Hamris Kerr with us on Weekend
Sport Brilliant Stuff.
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