Full Show Podcast: 15 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello, Keln, a good afternoon, Welcome in to the Sunday
edition of Weekend Sport on News Talk said the September fifteenth,
Happy birthday, Nathan. Aastal turns it around the corner and
he has it two hundred of one hundred and fifty
three balls. The standing your mention for Nath and Nastal
forever iconic. That ending is against England back in two

(00:52):
thousand and two in christ Church two to two two,
from one hundred and sixty eight balls, twenty eight four
to eleven six ers as last one hundred runs came
off thirty nine balls. Happy birthday, Nathan. One of our
greatest female cricketers, Emily Drum also having a birthday today.
She scored one hundred and sixty one not out and
sixty two not out in a Test against Australia in
ninety five. Another one hundred against England in ninety six,

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played over one hundred one days and was captain of
the White Ferns when they won the World Cup on
home soil in two thousand. Happily, happy birthday to you too, Emily.
In two years since this much of Rain.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Now has changed his decision.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
It's an all black scrum and Bernard Folly is filthy,
the crowds laying into muchI Rainaw he changed the decision
was a wallaby's penalty.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Now it's an all black scrum. You've only got a
certain amount of time to click for touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, I mean they're leading the China Tuo down the
clock and they've done so illegally.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Big call from rainw remember that, martiur Ray. Now, the
time wasting coll at the back end of the Bledisloe
Cup test in Melbourne two years ago to the day
leading to the All Blacks winning thirty nine thirty seven
at Marvel Stadium. That's enough. Looking back on Jason Pine,
Andy McDonald alongside, we're here talking sport until three after
one o'clock. Olympic high Jump chair and Hamish curR is

(02:08):
in studio five weeks since that dramatic I jump final
in Paris, looking forward to chatting with Hamish curR after
one massive game of provincial rugby in Blenhim this afternoon.
As I said to Francesca half an hour ago, what
a brilliant sentence to say, massive game of provincial rugby

(02:28):
in Blenhim this afternoon. Tasman defend the ran Fury Shield
for the first time ever. Wellington are in town to
try and take it off them five past two kickoff
at Lansdowne Park. If you're after a commentary of that game,
you can hear it on gold Sport and iHeartRadio from
just after two o'clock. We will get you inside both

(02:49):
camps this hour, the Wellington challenges and the Tasman defend us.
And I'm keen to chat some Shield rugby with you
this hour as well. We did a bit of this
on Monday night, but there was a real appetite for
conversation around the log of wood and howe prestigious and eshel.
It still is. Heaps of good Ranfilly Shield stories as well,

(03:09):
which I'd love to love to hear and also want
to chat to any Tasman supporters in particular, how are
you feeling after a week with the shield? I mean
it's not beyond the realms of possibility. 'll be one
and done, but how you're feeling, especially if you go
into the game, we'd love to hear from him this afternoon.
Other matters around today the Black Ferns going down twenty

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four to twelve to England and their rugby international at Twickenham.
Early hours of this morning. Ruby Toohey is with us
out of London. The Black Cats have arrived in Sri
Lanka for their two Test series after the complete washout
in Afghanistan. Were actually against Afghanistan in India. Coach Gary
Stead and all around a Rich and Ravendra are on
the show. James mcconi in as usual around one forty five,

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a heap of live sport as well the Shield Challenge
of course at five past two Counties against Otaga. At
the same time in the NPC Fara Palmercup. It's halftime
or between Counties and Waycuttle can tell you that Whyecutle
lead twenty six fourteen late in the first half, and
there's a Championship semi final just underway at Jerry Coolins

(04:19):
Stadium and Pottidoor, Wellington already seven doll ahead of Otago.
Davis Cup Tennis as well in Palmerston, North, New Zealand
against Luxembourg. Now Luxembourg won both of the opening day
singles rubbish yesterday. That means, of course we need to
win the doubles and both reverse singles today. If we're
going to win that tie, we'll keep an eye on

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it for you. But please join the show if you
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Speaker 1 (04:58):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
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Speaker 4 (05:09):
Towards the uprights and that's over, Jasmine, Jasmine.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
When for Renfairly.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Shield here they did a week ago in Napier for
the first time ever. But can they hold on to it?
This afternoon, eight days after claiming it for the very
first time, Tasman put the Ranfurly Shield on the line
and blend them. This afternoon they faced Wellington from five
past two. Let's bring in Tasman Muckel captain Quentin Strange. Quentin,
great to get the chance to chat to you on

(05:40):
match day. How has the week been, First of all,
with the log of Wood in your region for the
first time since nineteen seventy four and actually in Nilsen
for the first time ever.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she buzzed through the community and in
the team in the Union. It's good. A great week
the boys. It ended it really well. I thought, you know,
I see he restricted, but have been right on in
our training and engaging with the community and everything's been awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
You want to talk about striking that balance in a moment.
But just back to the to the game up in Napier.
What was it like watching Campbell putter to line up
that last minute kick and then watching it south through
the post. How are the emotions.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
I was out of I don't know. I was disbelief.
It was the relief that was all the above excitement.
Yeah it was I couldn't yeah, but really yeah, I
don't know, just hard to describe it, to be honest.
I was very gratefully got it because, yeah, something we've

(06:45):
been chasing it for a long time as the Union.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
How was the welcome back at the airport, did it
kind of you bring home to you just how you
know how cool a thing this is for for you know,
particularly for smaller rugby regions.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah. Look, but the welcome back on Sunday was Yeah,
it was the means. It was people at the airport obviously,
like you mentioned, and they were stoked. And I think
it really hit home to the boys when we got
to the church steps here on Chicalgu Street and there's
the amount of people there that that you know, like

(07:21):
old boys or young young fellas wearing tensy KT like
that's just what it meant to the community. And it's
a very very very special shield in New Zealand held
in very high regard. It was such an honor to
be able to bring that home to Marlborough and Nelson.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
You talked about the balance that you had to strike
because it's not as though you can rest on your laurels,
you know, very quickly, I'm sure, having to refocus for
what will be a massive challenge this afternoon. How have
you how have you strike that balance, you know, between
refocusing but also allowing as many people as possible around
the region to get up close and personal to the
shield and to the Tasman players.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yeah, I think it's just we've spoken around obviously we've
got one it again. It's it's something that we want
to really do and got pride in our duty and
hold onto it. But it's this week's been so much
about just focusing on what you can control, so when
you're out with fans being there for an x amount

(08:27):
of time, but making sure that you're coming home, you
get in a recovery and you're getting yourself sorted and
your own your own body right for what's to come,
which a lot of guys who aren't playing have fronted
probably a lot of the promotional work and engagement to

(08:47):
our plan to just focus on that, which has been
awesome as a whole team.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Been a good season for Tessaman. Five wines from five matches.
Can't do better than that. What's been the foundation of
your consistency this year?

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Yeah, I think every game has been different too, which
has been awesome. But foundation, I think it's just built
off compassion in this Jersey and I was wanted to
get better each week, and we work great culture, willing
to work hard for each other, and I think anything
that's got that as doesn't go into one games. But

(09:24):
obviously we're aware of what's in front of us and
not dwelling on the paths. Were moving forward and prepared
for a big challenge. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
How big a challenge do you perceive Wellington to be
this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, messive. You know they're at top of the table.
They parted in gratefully this year. They've got an awesome team. Obviously, Well,
we know we've got the beliefs here for us and
we're willing to work hard and go deep, deeper than
ever before in order to win back the shield.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
David Helvilli returns from All Blacks Judy to slot on
at second five. I know he plays for for Tasman
when whenever it's possible. How much of a boost is
it to have him in the twelve jerseys afternoon?

Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:08):
No massive, he's as a Protestant man. Any chance he
gets on the jersey, he's preps at the two hands.
He's he's the sort of guy that you wanted your team.
He's not only as well he left the guy's standards
around him. So yeah, he's messive coming back for us.
Obviously puts twelve, butlet's at the Beach. You know it's

(10:33):
that was been good, but Davey's going to be huge
for us and and all the moments.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It sounds like a sellout this afternoon at Lansdowne Park
and blame him Errick and how important drinking that'll be?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yeah? Massive? You know they always provide great crowds asn't
to sell out Landsdown's pretty special and we just wanted
them proud and hopefully they get him behind us and
make a lot of noise in something that you notice
when you're at home plant in front of your fans
is the engagement and create opportunities and whatnot. So now

(11:06):
they're won't be huge in order to help us get
over the line.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Now this is entirely a hypothetical question, but if you
had the choice, would you rather have the shield for
the summer or win the NPC? Fair enough or you
may well do it? You may well do it not
beyond the realms of possibility. Absolutely, Just did you have this?
Did you have the shield with you overnight up in

(11:31):
nape you? Does the captain get that on it?

Speaker 8 (11:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (11:34):
No, yeah, but I'll share it well read funny Christie
Blue Chapman as well. So we all wear that.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And like just a back to what it means to people.
I've seen so much footage of people getting photos with it,
and I don't know that there's another sporting trophy in
New Zealand that would attract so much attention in terms
of people wanting to get a selfie or whatever and
get it up on their social media. Have you had
the chance to, you know, to share it with some
of your friends and family.

Speaker 9 (12:08):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
You know, I managed to get over to colin Wood
where I grow up good and Golden Bay there during
the week briefly and your family and then yes, I'm
of my old friends and whatnot. Yeah, it's pretty special.
Like as you said that, I don't think here's another
trope you gentlemen. It does what it does to a community,

(12:31):
it's it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
We want to hold on to absolutely Golden Bay. What
a great part of the country. Hey, all the best
this afternoon, Quintin. I hope it goes really well for
you and blend them and you've still got both alive,
a shield over summer and an mp SA. Really appreciate
you taking the time for a chat. Thanks much, chef, No,
thank you, Quentin. It's Quentin Strange, Captain of Tasman, this
afternoon looking to hold onto the shield that was handed

(12:56):
to him eight days ago up there in Hawk's Bay.
Big challenge coming from Wellington. Keen to talk from rain
Philly shield with you this hour, going to open the
lines eight hundred eighty ten eighty in particular, but not exclusively,
but in particular if you're listening in from the Marlborough
region on what are we ninety two point one AFM

(13:17):
in Marlborough maybe traveling to the game from Nelson tuned
in on one six point four FM down there or
thirteen forty one AM even maybe am might be stronger
through the top of the South as you take the
drive head over the Fongomahas, through Rye Valley, past Peloris Bridge,
through Havelock on to Blenheim in a great part of
the country down there. Set the scene for us if

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you would. How confident do you feel Tasman fans eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the shield going to be
a one week proposition or will it be there for
a bit longer? You can be as biased as you like. Similarly,
Wellington fans as you watch or listen from afar or

(13:57):
maybe you've traveled down on the ferry. Actually, sure a
butt of social media this morning of some Wellington fans
hopping on the ferry and getting down to Blenheim time
for the game. Do you reckon? The Shield is coming
back across cooked straight with the Lions later on tonight.
Must admit I do have a foot in both camps
born and bred Wellingtonian, but I spent my twenties most

(14:19):
of my twenties living in Nelson. I absolutely love the place,
terrific part of the country. I guess it puts me
be in a bit of a no lose situation really
this afternoon, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty though,
for your thoughts, I think the scenes when Tasman won
the Shield last weekend. I mentioned this on Monday night

(14:39):
on Sports Talk. I think just another demonstration of where
the real passion for rugby actually lies. It lies in
the provinces. I honestly believe the entire professional New Zealand
rugby ecosystem, all Blacks super Rugby, could collapse. It's not

(15:00):
going to, but it could. Hypothetically, it could collapse and
the Shield would still remain. Mean it is by some
distance the most coveted trophy in New Zealand sport. You
could show pretty much any key we over the age
of twelve a picture of the shield and ask them
what it was and that no, is there another sporting
trophy that could match that. Even the Rugby World Cup

(15:23):
wouldn't have as much recognition as the Ranfurlly Shield. To
be fair, I know it's distinctive. You know where's the
Rugby World Cup looks like a lot of other cups.
The shield is unique, but the point stands. Last weekend
extra special Tasman's first ever successful challenge and as you heard,
Quentin's strange states been shared far and wide around the

(15:45):
region over to Collingwood, over the Tarkka Hill to Collingwood
terrific before the team set about the very very stiff
task of defending it this afternoon. Here is what I
would really like to see the Ranfurlly Shield drop into
the Heartland Championship. All we need for that to happen.

(16:05):
All we need is for one of the teams from
the Heartland Championship to somehow when one of those ceremonial
early season challenges, you know the ones when the team
who's got it at the end of a year, at
the start of the new year, before the MPC gets underway,
they take it to a couple of places, very ceremonial
and normally you know, big score lines. So I know

(16:27):
it's almost impossible for one of those Heartland championship sides
to win one of those games. But I do let
myself dream about it, about the Log of Wood going
to Ashburton or Graymouth, who are Tortia masterdon u Amoru
Tikowiti somewhere like that? Imagine it. Imagine it the fans

(16:49):
of our smallest provinces getting up close with the famous
log of Wood. If you thought that, they went crazy
for it, and Nelson and Blenham, Imagine it in some
of those smaller places, when so little these days feels
truly speak, truly tribal, truly meaningful. When it comes to rugby,

(17:10):
the Ranfurly Shield is all of those things, all of them,
and regardless of the shape of the professional game and
the twists and turns that that will inevitably continue to take,
the shield just stands alone as far as significance is concerned.
It'll still be here one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Weekends for it on.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Newstalks there be twelve twenty four. Hello ken okod aa fini,
how are you doing very well? Ken? Thanks?

Speaker 10 (17:35):
Well?

Speaker 11 (17:35):
I just pressed out on my stack of old programs
and things complete history our record of the Ramfilly Shield
from nineteen hundred and two when it was presented by
Lord Ranfurly to nineteen thirty. I just thought some of
your Ministress listeners might be interested. And it's just I
can't do the whole lot, just too much. But the

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main thing, the main theme of it is the amount
of the provinces that won the shield from nineteen hundred
and two to nineteen twenty and how many times they
how long they held it. I can quickly read that
out if you.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Wish, absolutely no please.

Speaker 11 (18:14):
So nineteen hundred and two was presented to Auckland by
Lord Ranfilly and there were no challenges immediately. Nineteen hundred
and four to five Wasrington had four challenges. At nineteen
one hundred and five to thirteen. Auckland then had twenty
three challenges Taranaki four Wearrington, another fifteen, Southend one, Wearrington,

(18:39):
another two hawks Bay, twenty four Wyre Rapper won hawks Bay.
It was disallowed in nineteen twenty seven. Canterbury had won.
Canterbury had a Manifanneur had two, why a Rapper had
eight and Southon had three, and then nineteen thirty Wellington

(18:59):
didn't have any. And therefore, of the one hundred and
four matches was sealed from nineteen hundred and two to
nineteen thirty, was a total of fifty seventy four, eighty five,
ninety two, ninety eight one and one hundred and four.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Wonderful stuff. Ken You wonder what it was like at
those games, don't you? You wonder, you know when when
Auckland and Wellington and Tatanaky in Southland were playing for
the Ranfury Shield back in you know, the very early
part of last century, what it was like there. I'm
sure there are photos and that sort of thing, but
I mean, you can just you can almost you can
almost sense the history. And to think that that that

(19:41):
trophy has been around for what one hundred and over
one hundred and twenty years now, it's incredible.

Speaker 11 (19:48):
It is. No, this is quite a comprehensive little magazine
I've got, and it's very old and famili it's interesting
and like a first class ticket was ten pound and
second class if you get classes of touring tickets ten
pounds and seven pound ten and to often making a

(20:13):
tour to the South Island. No home matches were played
and as shield matches were the at home, all of
them at home. No matches were played in nineteen hundred
and three.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, so they were all on tours and they didn't
take them with them, I think. And that's you know,
probably ken greater chat how it all started, right, It
was always always only home games. You don't have to
take it on the road. Obviously in recent times teams
have done that, but they haven't really have they. They've
taken it to smaller places like I say, you know,
they and they don't have to teams have I stand

(20:46):
to be corrected, but I don't think a team who's
got the shield has ever taken it to somewhere where
they might lose it or where they you know, where
they have a fifty to fifty chance of not winning
the game. These teams know that when they go to
no places, the outposts of rugby, that they're not really
going to lose it. Much as I said before, I

(21:07):
would love it if that happened. I look at the
start of this year, I'd forgotten this but Hawk's Bay
took it to fang Lanui and won eighty points to five.
They took it to King Country won fifty seven points
to seven. At the start of last year when Wellington
had it, they beat hot Offon to a carpany sixty
eight to seven up in Levin. They also took it
to South Canterbury, who of all of the Heartland Championship

(21:28):
teams you'd have to imagine would be the one. What
if they won thirty five thirty six games in a
row in the Heartland now, haven't They nearly lost to
north Otarget yesterday but they did get up and win
Wellington beat them sixty seven to twenty one. You know,
So it's a pipe dream, I know it is. But
how good would it be if it did drop down?

(21:49):
If it dropped down into the Heartland and the MPC
unions just never see it again, would they? Because I
tell you what, if I'm a Heartland union, I'm not
taking it on tour no way, and I'm not accepting
challenges either from outside the Heartland Unions. Twelve to twenty nine,
Talking Shield Rugby Bruce Calvin Please hold O eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty one spear line there the text
line ninety two niney two back in a moment. On
News Talks, he'd.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Be it's more than just a game weekends for it
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Speaker 2 (22:20):
Twenty nine to one. Mac of the Magpie on text piney,
don't do this to me. Got the shield stolen off
us last week? You got flogged by white Cuttter last night.
Now you're rubbing salt into the wound. MACA, sorry, mate,
You've had a lot of glory. You might even get
the chance to get a back mate. You've probably checked
this out. If Wellington won it this afternoon, they've got
Bay of Plenty next week in a challenge. And if
they weren't that then hawks By come in the last
game of the year, so you might get a Backmacker,

(22:41):
who knows. That's the beauty of it. It could still
change hands a couple of times before the end of
the season. Bruce, how are you?

Speaker 10 (22:49):
Yeah? Good things phony? You said perky today?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Well, check back in with me in a few hours
and if Wellington have got the shield, Bruce, I'll be
I'll be you know, I'll be unbearable.

Speaker 10 (23:00):
Yeah, I'll be crying. Yeah, okay, just a bit of history.
And because I'm getting a bit older, our company were
at the eighty or nineties, but we were visiting some
friends down in Timrou and it turned out that they
held the Renfury Shield at that stage and why Katta

(23:20):
were playing, And of course I'm from Hamilton, so and yeah,
so I went along with the local guy I was
staying with. And what a fantastic crowd, like I mean
when you get to those little you know, like Timrou's
a reasonable size town and not Timuru, but the fact
being this, you know, it's fair the crand was just crazy.

(23:45):
Of course we won and so you know why cat
it run And we did get out of the live
so there was no problem there. But the other great
Shield game I saw was up the Mud Bath, which
you probably wouldn't remember, but they have at Rugby Park
as it was in the old days up in fun Ray,

(24:08):
and they always joked that it had the deepest mud
and the highest goalposts and it was an Auckland North
Auckland game back in Cripe's early sixties piny and anyway,
it was. It was three all with just virtually a
couple of minutes to go. So Northam was holding the shield,

(24:31):
of course, and John Cybon right in front of us,
we were sitting there, and he dived over in the
blooming corner and Auton took it back again and six three,
and uh, you would have thought the whole of fun
Ray had sort of had died over virtually.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's a real rugby school. That was the bro sixty three.
That is a good old fashioned rugby school.

Speaker 10 (25:00):
I know I ended the day's six three, you know,
And yet it was a it was a great game pie,
you know, like I know it's certainly to say that
the goavern at six three, but it was just so hard.
And of course they played tough in those days, I
mean the Maringovich brothers and that they were good creations,
tough men, and of course you did get away with

(25:22):
the light. I mean you wouldn't get away with anything
like that today. I mean, if you touch someone in
the head you get sent off, you know. But yes,
so she was a tough game.

Speaker 12 (25:31):
Crips.

Speaker 10 (25:31):
But anyway, that's that's my thoughts on it. So they
have a great day.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
You have a great day. So Bruce, great to get
your recollections, mate. I love that. I'd forgotten. But Wellington
beat Tasman last year. They defended the Shield against Tasman.
It was seven nil one converted try. That was all,
you know. I looked at the Hartland Championship games yesterday
and he pointed this out to me. It was like
optional defense yesterday. The fifties and sixties were scored. But yeah,

(25:59):
I don't mind a good old fashioned six three and
I think we'll get that this afternoon. Just look at
if you are in the Marlborough region, just look at
the quick with a report. Watch to like there as
we approach an hour and a half away from kickoff. Richard,
were you and Marlborough when they last had it?

Speaker 13 (26:15):
Yes, yeah, for about a week.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
What did you go there on? Did you go there
especially just to soak it up?

Speaker 12 (26:21):
I went I for twenty years but they only held
the shield for a week. But it was I've paid
two games of touch rugby, I mean rugby in the life.
I was about twelve and gave it up as a
bad idea, but it was so hard not to get
infused even though they lost it.

Speaker 14 (26:40):
And you know, I.

Speaker 12 (26:43):
Mean to be able to walk into a pub and
meet you know, the rugby players, you know, like the
Southerland Brothers and all those guys who were legends of
the time. But yeah, it was. It's quite amazing for
such a small population to have won the Ranfrelly Shiel.
Back then, I think I don't think you'd live any

(27:04):
repeated again, you know. But but years later I thank you.
You know guy in the background that I got to
interview Colin Meads on TV? Did you he was because
I had a business down there, and the brothers that

(27:24):
ran that Heartland Ran rugby rang me up and and
I got me to do the Heartland rugby if it
was just like a second grade game and it was
an important game. So I got drawn back into rugby
as somebody, you know, And yeah, it was, it is.
It is an extremely I mean, I don't know what

(27:46):
it's like now because that was quite a few years ago.
But you know, Milburgh always thought to the day I
left there, they thought they were going to win it back.
Every game, that every challenge, we're going to get it back.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
What was what was I say, what was sir Colin?
Like it would have just been Colin Meads then was
he or was he was?

Speaker 12 (28:02):
I think yeah, yeah he was.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
He was.

Speaker 12 (28:05):
He was nice, you know, like he was very very
softly spoken and sort of you know, he was I
don't know, do you know.

Speaker 13 (28:13):
Who the brothers were that ran that heart then?

Speaker 12 (28:15):
I think they were wrestlers or somebody. They had some
unusual thing. But I think he was just called and
he was past his playing career. Yeah, yeah, he was
just just calling them to give commons, you know. And
I didn't next your interview. I just held the camera
while somebody else well.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
No, no, I look, Gretchard, I'd claim it. I'd claim
that you were in and around a media interview with
Sir Colin Meads or column he may have been, then
got on your Richard. Let's hope that that that Marlborough
or as they are now. Of course Tasman. You know,
the Malburn Nelson Bays conglomeration, the amalgamation. From memory, my

(28:53):
memory is a bit dim on this, but I remember
that there was a bit of controversy initially when the
two combined, and it's taken them a long time to
get the shield. I think they combined in two thousand
and six. I think it was two thousand and six.
Anyway someone will know Overcast and Blenheim at the moment
Piney from Tamer. Thanks Tamer, I appreciate that. I remember

(29:14):
going to Rugby Park as a ten year old after
the hand of Perv Graham Purvis the night that white
Cuttle took the shield off Auckland. That was another very
famous shield challenge, of course, because Auckland had it, as
we know, for sixty one successful challenges after they took
it off Auckland in nineteen Sorry, we took it off
Canterbury in nineteen ninety five. Auckland held it for sixty

(29:35):
one successful challenges until white cut Or came to Eden
Park in nineteen ninety three and took it off them
with no little help from Graham Pervis. A remember his
hand sort of flicking it back whether on Blendham sunshining
through white fluffy clouds, no wind, not cold, it's hot.
Thank you very much. Jackson Garden Baship from Wellington shortly

(29:56):
Norman High Hi.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Yes, so the Rnsverly Shield. I was a schoolboy. I
traveled from the out the bank of the Maroon, Dunedin
to watch Ranfury shields christ Church. Yes you name it.
My father he was actively involved rugby, played for Bushfire

(30:18):
Rapper and his possibly would have gone away with the
twenty nine All Blacks had he not been injured in
a professional fight the night before the trials or something.
At any rate, he said Kevin Skinner away from boxing
when he took the news on amateur heavyweight title and

(30:41):
said Kevin was no future and boxing. You gone to
pad on your rugby and you'll be able to go
to South Africa forty nine with the All Blacks, which
he did. And Kevin Skinner made a tribute to her
father changing his life at my father's funeral a few

(31:03):
years ago. At any rate, years, I say it has
died because the games are not really shown on TV
to promote the sport a ball and that's where it's
a dead dunk. I watch league now because it's a
sport and you can watch it on TV even if

(31:24):
the Warriors winning all losing, but rugby has got a
lot to do with their own faults.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
You can still watch the rugby though.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
Norman, Oh yeah, if you if you got Sky, yes,
same with.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
The Warriors, though I think you need Sky to watch
the Warriors, don't you.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
No, no, no, All their games have been on the
normal network.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Are you on Sky Open? Yes, Sky Opened, the formerly
Prime Yeah, the freedoware yep. Good point, Norman, good story
as well about Kevin Skinner. Yeah, it sounds like your
old man did us all favor. What a wonderful all
black Kevin Skinner turned out to be. Appreciate your call
very much. Get your facts correct, mate, says this one. Hawks.
They didn't take the shield to Funk and Hue. You're right,

(32:07):
good fact checking, Wengerno. We went to Hawk's Bay. My apologies.
I just assume naturally that that was taken on the road.
I should have checked. Thank you. That game was in Napier,
as was the King Country game actually, so they didn't
take it on the road. Thank you very much for
correcting me on that. I know Wellington took it to Levin.
Not that that's very far, is it. Oh, eight hundred

(32:28):
and eighty ten eighty's our number. It's eighteen away from
one back with more after this on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
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Speaker 2 (32:43):
Caught it to one talking by ran Filly. Sure, Raebi've
go quite a few friends in Nelson. I sent one
of them this morning a text, you know the Tasman
muck or sort of call sign or slogans finns up,
you know for shark fin markl fins up. So I
just sent a text that said finns up to my
friend and Nelson. Unfortunately it auto corrected to give up.

(33:05):
So I got a very rude message back. Hello Neil.

Speaker 12 (33:10):
Yesterday.

Speaker 14 (33:12):
Yeah, I'm just sitting down to the game now. Yeah,
I'm actually contenderly in fact, And when Marlborough took the
Shield in seventy three, I was sixteen then and we
were playing for near New Brighton and the young the

(33:34):
guys in my team say you're going to the Marlborough
Shield Challenge in seventy three in the afternoon. I says, no,
I'll wait till a toup of ones get here.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (33:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (33:50):
And so one of my writs and Rugby that I
never got to see that game. I tried to get
it on YouTube and can't seem to get it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
But yeah, so I.

Speaker 14 (34:07):
Thought, no, I'm not going to miss out today's game.
But yeah, it looks like it could be the possible
of claud coming in, but certainly it should be all
right for the game. But yeah, yeah, no, mold. We

(34:30):
had it for vitually a year when they won of
the seventy three, but it wasn't quite as surprise as
what everyone.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
Thought it would be.

Speaker 14 (34:42):
But yeah, I think was while he was the captain
of the Canterbury team at the time, and he's actually
lives up and picked him.

Speaker 12 (34:52):
Now, so.

Speaker 14 (34:54):
Yeah, we might see him at the game somewhere.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
But yeah, yeah, good man, Neil, good stuff. Well enjoy
your afternoon. I'm glad you're getting too this one. You
agrece you did, right, was cap Someone told me actually
that South when Marlborough left christ Church having won the Shield.
This may be an urban myth, but the legend has
it that they went to Gris Wiley's house and painted

(35:20):
his letterbox the colors of Marlborough, which are what blue
and white, doesn't matter what color they are. They painted
Gris Wiley's letterbox in Marlborough colors in the dead of
the night as they were getting out of christ Church,
and apparently Gris loved it and never changed it. I
hope he is there this afternoon. He was coach, of course,
of that Canterbury side that had it took it off

(35:41):
Wellington early eighties still remember that and then held on
to it until Auckland came to town in eighty five.
Enjoy your afternoon, Neil. I'm sure it'll be a cracker.
Hello Ross, yep, Hi, it gets a comment.

Speaker 10 (35:51):
Is the Kaikuhr Express still alive?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
The kai Cua Express? You're there? I am, yes, the
kai Cuta Express. I'm not lost.

Speaker 13 (36:04):
You there? Ross?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Sorry, mate, I'll I think that's what you said. We'll
try and get some clarification. Hi, Calvin High you.

Speaker 8 (36:12):
Got afternoon, Jason. First of all, one or two years
ago some numb skulls on ZV tried to make out
provincial rugby who cares? And the Rainfailly Shield? Who cares?
But there are a lot of people in the provinces.
I've always enjoyed the provincial games and likewise the Renfilly

(36:33):
Shield game. And I recalled when that shield was made,
well I read about it. Anyway, when it was made,
the instructions were it was going to be, you know,
like it was being made for football, and the goal
posts on it were laid out as a soccer goal
post and they had to engrave them a little bit

(36:54):
longer to make it look like rugby goldposts. But you
would know all about that anyway. In ninety fifty my
school teacher ninety fifty its long time going now was
Ponty Reid, and he used to be the midweek captain
of the All Blacks, and he played in the Whitecaddow team.
Here and a chap mentioned Colin Neads. When the big

(37:19):
time Hillcrest tavern closed up. A year or so later,
a small hilly Hillcrest opened up and the opening Colin
Meads was there and it was all free finger food.
So I went along, had a couple of beers and
Colin Neads was there and come ove and started talking
to me, and I had two or three beers with him,

(37:41):
and he acting away, and I think I have told
you before for you to guess who he is talking
to me about. And he was talking to me about
netball because his eldest daughter was a silver fern. So
there was a discussion then with Colin Meads. He didn't
become Knight until later on in years.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yes, no, I know it was a bit later on. Yes, Calvin,
I think you're right about You're absolutely right about the
shield when it first arrived, because it a arrived from
over it was it was kind of ordered, I guess
you'd say, to be used as the prize, for you know,
to be used. It was. I'll read the entire sentence.
In nineteen oh one, the Governor of New Zealand, the
fifth Earl of Ranfurley, announced the presenter Cup to the

(38:23):
New Zealand Rugby Union to be used as the prize
in a competition of their choosing. Now, the shield arrived
and the design on the middle of it, the centerpiece
was football soccer, so they had they had to change it,
but posts, you know, above the football posts. And I
believe the ball was round in the in the centerpiece

(38:46):
of it. And I don't know whether they've ever changed that,
whether they've tried to alter it. But if you see
the shield today you can actually see if you look closely,
you can actually see that it has been altered from
when it arrived as there must have been a mix
up and translation Ross, we've got you back the Kai
Cotta Express.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
What do you say about the main three shield?

Speaker 12 (39:08):
Is quite right, it's got a circle world in the
middle of it.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, you're there.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yes, I am. Can you hear me? Yes, I can
hear your Ross. Can you not hear me? Roscar Harris,
I don't know what's going on with Ross's phone. Eight
to one talks dB back in a month.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Let's scoop from the track fields and the court on
your HomeOS sort the weekends for it with Jason Vine
and US talks MB.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Five to one. Unfortunately we couldn't get Ross's phone working.
But I'm almost certain he was talking about the co
Coda Express, being Brian Ford, the Marlboro winger. Considering we're
talking about the ran Fury Shield, I'm almost certain that
he's talking about Brian Ford, who was nicknamed the co
Coder Express and who scored the winning try or one
of the crucial tries when Marlborough won the Shield off

(39:56):
Canterbury back in nineteen seventy three. The score was thirteen
to six, incidentally, and Brian Ford scored a crucial try
for Marlborough evade the defense of Fergie McCormick. No less,
are you're right, Ponte says this one. The Shield's been
altered quite a few times over the years, in fact
quite recently. Yes, I remember that. I don't think that

(40:18):
was to change the imagery though, I think that was
to glue it back together. Thanks, though I appreciate it. Yeah,
a lot of people saying yeah, co Cotta Express was
Brian Ford still alive and well and living in kuy
Colder according to Scotty and a very handy golfer. Good
to know, Scotty. Good to know. The ball on the
shield is still round, says this one. That blue and

(40:43):
yellow letterbox is still there, says Anthony. I used to
travel that road a lot, and I remember when that happened.
I was puzzled why Griz would have Otago colors on
his letter box. Anthony. Yeah, no, Malbrough collors, Maulbrokellers. I'm
so pleased that's a true story because I think it's terrific.
How would they have known the Malborough players where Gris lived.

(41:04):
I guess somebody gave them the heads up. I didn't
get to Jackson Garden bashup this hour, but he has
agreed to take our call just after one o'clock. Only
an out'll kick off, so it's it's quite nice of
Jackson to take our call. He's with us after one
straightaway after the news and then joined in Studio by
Hamish Kerr.

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(41:56):
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(42:18):
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In terms of some live rugby going on and the
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(42:41):
Park between Wellington and Otago. The winner will earn the
right to take on Monowit two in the Championship Final,
with a date to be confirmed for that. Just wait
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Wellington Pride lead Otago, so tight tussle there and pottydoer

(43:02):
Worth ten minutes gone in the second half. Would you
please tell a very old lady what you mean by
Heartland teams? Yes, of course I can. I was talking
about the rand Furley Shield dropping into the Heartland Championship.
Is the NPC, which is the top provincial sides in
New Zealand, and then below that there is the Heartland Championship.

(43:26):
So in the Bunnings in PC we have the top
fourteen sides, and then in the Heartland Championship we have
all of the smaller unions from well I guess you
could say from Heartland New Zealand. And there are twelve
of those. So that's what we mean by the Heartland Championship.

(43:47):
Thank you for your query. Now I need to get
to the bottom of this letterbox thing. Gurus Wiley's letterbox
apparently painted by the Marlborough team as they left christ
Church with the Rand Furley shield back in nineteen seventy three.
I should have, of course known what color Marlborough where
the Red Devils. Of course I've been reminded the Red

(44:07):
Devil's Jason. So Grizz Wiley's letterbox was painted and Malborough
colors red. But I don't think that would have been
as effective, would it, because with him being from Canterbury
red and black it would have been you know, it
wouldn't have made as much of a statement. Anthony last
I reckons he's seen a blue and gold one. Maybe
that isn't Grizz's letterbox. So what color did they paint

(44:28):
his letterbox? Or is this just an entirely made up,
fictional urban myth. Need to get to the bottom of this,
if you know, let us know, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty or nine two nine to two on text.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Penalty Wellington and bet I figure this came over they know,
But they have won the Ranfurly Shield.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Oh, they're like getting big time.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Nineteen twelve Wellington.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Over hawks By. Yeah, so that was Wellington winning the
ran Furley Shield almost exactly two years to the day ago,
actually beating hawks Bay nineteen twelve in Napier a couple
of years ago they fended off six challenges before Hawksby
eventually won it back off them last year. Now the
Lions get another crack this afternoon. Wellington first five Jackson

(45:17):
Garden bashop as whether sard Jackson, thanks for taking the
call right of know you're getting close to kick off
down there. Six from six for Wellington the season. What's
beaten behind your excellent consistency?

Speaker 16 (45:28):
Well, I don't know if we've been anywhere there consistent yet.
There's been some pretty ugly wins, but we've been finding
a way, which is a good thing. And we've gone
pretty deep into our squad over the last couple of games.
So you know, it hasn't always been pretty, but you're
not finding away to win.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Why do you think that beautiful rugby has been a
bit hard to come by.

Speaker 16 (45:49):
A lot due to weather for our home games. Some
of the more exciting why we played against Canterbury. It
was the first tunny day that we had. First game
against Auckland, we defended really well, had to come from
behind against monow or two. So there's been a couple
of different situations that have been put in so far
and we're sort of managed to find a way. So
that's a that's a positive for us, but you know,

(46:11):
we would like to start playing some consistently good rugby.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
You mentioned going deep into your squadron storm week. Of course,
this is your third game in eight days. Could that
be a factor or did you did enough if you
get a rest on Wednesday night, to make sure that
it's not a factor.

Speaker 16 (46:27):
I think we've been managed pretty well by the coaching
start to They put a lot of faith in any
young squad on Wednesday night against against Otago and they
did a job. And I think only two of the
boys that started that game are starting today, so everyone
should be should be ready to go. I think have you.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Tried to treat this like a normal game or have
you in fact embraced the fact that it's a shield challenge.

Speaker 16 (46:49):
I think you've definitely just got to embrace it early
acknowledged how big the occasion is. How exciting it is,
how awesome is going to be to play in front
of a sold our part, But then just as quickly
you need to take it back to what's important, which
is which is our process, our game, because you know,
outside the lines, nothing's going to contribute to the win

(47:11):
other than the twenty three that are taking the part.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
You were part of, the cell of the side, the
Wellington side that won it a couple of years back,
first time that have been in the Capitol for ages
since about nine. I think how special a moment is
it to win the ren Fury Shield.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
It's awesome.

Speaker 16 (47:26):
It's hard enough to get a game where we get
to play for it, let alone win it. When we
won it last time, that was our third crack at
Hawk's Bay for the shield, so you know, it was
really exciting and really satisfying.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I know a few of the team were around when
you won it, and then we're there last year when
there were a bunch of defenses. But is it true
Brad Shields has never had it.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
He's never held the shield.

Speaker 16 (47:52):
I think he's played one game for it in twenty fourteen.
But he's pretty pump. He's pretty pumped for this one.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
It's gonna say, guys done so much in his rugby
career'd be like a little kid, wouldn't he.

Speaker 16 (48:02):
Yeah, well, that's the thing. You there's so many good
players that have played for such a long, long amount
of time and you know, never win it or never
even get to play for it. So we're we're lucky
that Tasman got it off Falks Day last week and
now and now we've we've stumbled up on a on
a challenge. So it's so exciting.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
You've got Billy Proctor and Reuben Love back for this
one as well. Is there there's no danger of disruption
with those guys coming.

Speaker 16 (48:24):
Back as there Now they've been a part of this
team for for a long time, you know, and that
you know, we're pretty we're pretty tight off the field
as a group and they're and they're they're a big
part of that. So it's more about just getting getting
over a little bit of detail. But they slop back
and nicely.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Okay, and beyond this, you know, it's it's just one game,
I know, but a special special trophy on the line
this afternoon. But are also equally determined to try and
lift the MPC trophy. But later on as well, one
hundred percent.

Speaker 16 (48:54):
But like you say, one week at a time. Well
to get the ship the shield today and five points
and then hopefully play some good rugby and doing so.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
And good news too. I know we're here to talk
about the the Shield, but you'll be back in super
rugby next year with Malwana PACIFICA great to see that news.
How did that all come about?

Speaker 17 (49:13):
All right?

Speaker 16 (49:13):
That's just as is a sort of a unfolded that
I was going to be coming back to New Zealand
and staying in New Zealand for the next few whiles.
Sort of the feelers out to see if anyone would
be interested in there, and they come back and they were,
and I was extremely grateful that they were, and I'm
really excited to be a part of that. I think
it's as a cool team, it's a cool movement and

(49:33):
they've been building something special over the last few years.
So then I'm keen to contribute as much as I
can to that.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Oh good to have that look forward to in twenty
twenty five. For the meantime, it's this afternoon. I've seen
you lead the team song. I think, well, I'm not
sure if you're in Dunedin, but certainly let the team
victory song five times. Hope you get the chance to
do it again this Stuffternoon.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
Jackson, Yeah, so do I it's a good part of
the day.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Oh good on you mate, thanks for taking that call, Jackson.
Garden bashup who will line up at first five for
Wellington against Tasman this afternoon to staying try and prize
the ran Fully Shield away from the muckel who I'm
sure all were equally determined to make sure that it
stays in their region for a little while longer one
sixteen It is Celia. You've got a personal connection to

(50:16):
this shield game back in nineteen seventy three when Marlborough
won it off Canterbury.

Speaker 9 (50:22):
Yes, Jason, my dad was Jim Stewart. He was the
coach of Canterbury over that time. Oh wow, So it
was a really big, big part of our lives. And
you know, it was a team that had Alex Wiley
and Sergie McCormack and Tanna Norton. It was a great team, Studcron.
You know, it was a pretty memorable team. But I
can still I was a teenager at the time and

(50:43):
I can still clearly remember when they won the shield
off Hawk's Bay, and you know, there were some thousands
and thousands of people at the airport and my dad
standing at the top of the stairs holding the shield high.
You know, it was such a wonderful moment and we
would attend all the games in that time. But and
I still also very clearly remember the Marlborough game where
we lost, as it was absolutely heartbreaking and my dad

(51:05):
was a lovely man, but boy, it was hard to
live with when when when he lost, Yes, we were
all a bit depressed and I looked up in the
crowd and saw some tears and then realized it was
my sister. And you know, we all knew that that
dad was going to be But I don't know about
the leather box story, but I do know that a
couple of days later we went for a family holiday

(51:27):
and Wiley's Bridge had been painted over to be Sutherland's Bridge,
so that because that was the captain of the of
the mule routine that took the shield, so that would
rub salt into the wound well. And truly, yeah, that
was a big part of our big part of our
lives at the time, and and it has well, you know,
we've all remained pretty keen on my dad's passed away now.

(51:49):
But you know, he was a pretty special man and
a great coach, and we were very proud of him.
But you know it was pretty hard of every lost game,
he took it pretty personally.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, look, I think that probably happens up and down
the country, Celia, at all levels, doesn't it. You know,
I think I think people put their heart and all
into these things, as your dad, I'm absolutely positive would have. Yeah,
there's you know, that's I think that's why Well, that's
why I love sport because of the emotion involved in it.
And I'm sure it brought you as much joy as
it did heartbreak at times as well.

Speaker 9 (52:20):
Absolutely absolutely so. But it was a pretty pretty special time.
It was a pretty special team. You know, those those
that that all amateurs and they practice, you know, they
were working full time and I remember one of the
Messa drive down from kai Kota every day, ye twice
a week to cut to practice and things. So you know,
they were very very dedicated team members. So name when

(52:42):
we sta parties at our house and of all these
of all these guys, so it was a pretty special
time really, So you would have.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
You would have had. Did the shield? Did the shield
come to your house during the time that Canterbury had it?

Speaker 15 (52:54):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (52:55):
Absolutely yes, yeah we we we were able to take
parts with it. And in fact, even more recently when
Canterbury did have the shield, my mum was putting on
a sort of a d embily where they all had
a themed had to have a themed table crop table setting.
So we did black and black and read and we
were allowed to have the shield. So drove I drove

(53:17):
around with it in my boot for a while. They
let them have the shield because we did it all
and we did everything in red and black and we
had the shield sitting at the end. So it was
just for a fundraising and amblee where they were living.
But we still we hit the shield for a while.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 9 (53:38):
Kid's got to got to have a picture with it
and all of those things.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Imagine if imagine if a good talk, imagine the places
it's been your car, boots for starters, but imagine the
place is that that shield has been incredible.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
Exactly exactly. It's a lot of good stories to tell.

Speaker 15 (53:52):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Indeed, see the lovely the chatter you thank you for calling,
and I really appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (53:57):
It's a pleasure, all right.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Have a great afternoon. By bye, there you go, Celia,
daughter of Jim Stewart, Canterbury coach. In nineteen seventy three
when the shield was taken by Marlborough the last time
it was in Blenham. Obviously they held it for six
or seven successful defenses before it was taken away from them.
This afternoon again, the good folk of the top of

(54:19):
the South have a ran fairly shield defense to look
forward to twenty past one. We'll take a break when
we come back. Hamish ker Olympic gold medalist in the
high jump, joins us in studio.

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twenty twenty four. Hamish Kurr winning Olympic gold in the
high jump exactly five weeks ago. This morning seems a longer,
doesn't it. Back home now and in studio with this

(55:12):
Hamish Kurk. Great to see you mate, Thanks for stopping.
And how often does your mind drift back to that
Olympic final five weeks ago?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
A lot? Yeah, it's it's definitely a moment that's burnt
into my mind for the rest of my life. But yeah,
it's probably probably not in the ways that people think.
I remember the run across the field, and I remember
spending a lot of time in media and and and
doping and and various other things afterwards, and then and

(55:44):
then spending time with my family.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
The run across the field was that that that can't
have been premeditated? Was that just spur of the moment
adrenaline rush?

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Ah, it was a little bit premunitated. I so, so
athletics has got this thing. So there's obviously a lot
going on in the stadium, and that's that's something that's
massive for our sports. It's really cool, you know, you
get to go along and and just watch all these
events happening at once. Most people say, like, man, I
didn't realize how busy it was, and it is. It's
just hectic, but in saying that, like, the middle of

(56:15):
the field is never used. It's it's javelin, it's discuss it,
it's the long throwers get thrown into the middle of
the field. But because of that, no athletes even go
in there, and so you're only kind of involving like
one portion of the stadium at any given moment. And
so typically in a high jump, obviously being at one
side of the stadium, if I was to, like when
the competition or something big was happened, I'd run towards

(56:37):
the crowd, and that would then mean that the rest
of the stadium is not involved anymore. And knowing that
it was right at the end of the at the
meat the entire stadium was clapping and getting behind the
jump off, I just think it was fitting to instead
of running towards one side, running right into the middle,
because because then everyone could sort of get a bit

(56:59):
of a taste and celebrate with me. So, yeah, was
a little bit a little bit premutiated. I did have
to wait for the javelin finish, and that had finished
a few minutes before I did my last jump, and
I sort of I had noticed that it had finished,
and so I knew that it was time to clear
that last jump and run.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Loved it.

Speaker 18 (57:19):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Iconic moment. Iconic moment. I remember speaking to you. I
think it was about one in the morning Paris, time
you'd done so much media and stuff. What time did
you actually get to bed?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I got to bed at probably six thirty?

Speaker 13 (57:35):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
So yeah, So left the stadium finish, finished event at
about nine, left the stadium at two, and then just
straight to my girlfriend and siblings Airbnb. So they were
actually staying like really close by, so I was able
to just walk, which was super nice, and then hang
out with them. They were probably more excited than I

(57:59):
was at that point. I was kind of just in shock,
just sitting in the corner, kind of steering at my
middle and they were just bouncing around off the walls
and then and then eventually got to be at about
six thirty.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
They talk about these things sinking in. Was there a
point at which you realized the magnitude of what you'd achieved?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yes to No, Like, I mean, I think for me
it feels strangely normal, like it It's obviously there's waves
of motion, and there's there's times where you kind of
do have to check yourself and kind of really listen
to your body. And I think there's going to be
a lot of that in the next next few months,
as just riding those waves of intense emotion, you know,
the highs and lows. But yeah, at the same time,

(58:38):
you know, we put a really good plan in place,
and we were really kind of strict on what we
were trying to achieve going into that games, and so
because of that, I think, I think it does feel
like it's sunk and because it felt like what we
were trying to achieve.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
One of your great lines afterwards, qualifying was Qualifying sucks.
It's easy to forget. Man, what two misses at two twenty.
How did you manage your way through that third jump
and qualifying at two twenty?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah, look, qualifying, That's what I'll never forget as well,
that feeling of sitting there after that second attempt. So
the first attempt was just a bad jump, you know,
you have that the second attempt, I stumbled through the
middle of my run up because I was so nervous.
My legs kind of just gave out. And then you're

(59:24):
kind of sitting there, going this has happened, and the
two previous World champs failed to make the final. This
is at a lower height than either of those complete
catastrophic disasters, so this would have been even worse. And
it's the one that I was an amazing shape going into.
And yeah, you know, part of me was sitting there thinking,

(59:47):
maybe I don't have the goods, maybe I'm not you know,
maybe there's just something missing, Maybe there's just a little
bit of me that will never be able to get
up for these really important moments. But then you go
back to process and you pull yourself out of that
and you kind of remove yourself from the emotions. Those
emotions don't really mean anything I met on the big
the big stage. They just they just your body trying

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to give you an exit strategy. And so so I
just got back to my breathing and my visualization and
just tried to visualize the jumps as objectively as possible.
And yeah, I just looked at my coach and he
he was got me through that. I mean, you know,
I I was looking at him going like, am I
going to be able to do this? And he's like, yeah,
of course you are, Like You've done this, this is

(01:00:31):
just what you do, Like you can do this and
being able to look at him and know that, I mean,
I was already crying, like it was. It was just
like such an emotional time for me. And yes, it's
just so weird because it's you know, that was probably
the lowest point in my career potentially could have been.
It probably probably would have been the end of my
career if I hadn't cleared that. And yet you know,

(01:00:51):
you you fast forwards six weeks and that's just a
completely different picture.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
That is incredible insight, man, because all the stuff you've
just told told us there would would lead to a
natural conclusion that you missed the third one. You know
that you're doubting yourself, got self doubt in the biggest moment, man,
And then and then you clear and then and then
you're over at two twenty seven and qualifying later on
you jump to thirty six. What is it about the
sport that allows you to jump to thirty six but

(01:01:17):
sometimes miss sometimes miss two twenty I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Think it just goes to show how much timing is important.
You know, we obviously do a lot of training and
you try and get as strong and as fast and
as physically gifted as possible, and you want to really
build those those metrics, but at the end of the day,
if you can't put it down, you know, it doesn't
really count for anything. So I think that's the biggest
thing for high jump especially is it's so so timing base.

(01:01:44):
You can't just push harder, you have to actually push better,
and so it's not just a case of like just
digging in and really going for it. You actually have
to be thinking the whole time around what that looks
like and how your technique needs to change based on that.
So yeah, it's it's a bit of a mind game,
but it's a it's a pretty fun part of our sport.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Because you have two misses at two thirty one in
the final as well, what happened in qualifying help you
negotiate the third jump at two thirty one, because must
that you don't get a met.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
All right, Look, I mean those mustagen in qualifying at
two twenty that was the hardest point in my life.
And to go through that with the techniques that we
had and the work that we've done, and be able
to use that work to actually get me through that.
It actually made the rest of the competition easy. You

(01:02:31):
know that two thirty one. I knew that it was
in me. It was just a matter of putting it down,
and then the jump off was just an amazing experience
regardless as a results. So yeah, I feel like once
I did that qualifying jump, yeah, it was just about
digging myself back out of that hole and just getting
on with it.

Speaker 15 (01:02:50):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Can you put to bed any rumors about the jump
off with Shelby m cuand who got asked first? Did
anybody say, yeah, hey, let's share it? Well, can you
give us the actual version of events?

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I mean, look, I don't think I'll ever be putting
this fully to bed. You know, it doesn't matter how
many times I talk about it that there's there's always
people who can can misconstrue it. But no, what happened
was so I we we knew that we were we
were even. I didn't realize we're even until about halfway
through the two thirty eight round, which is which is

(01:03:22):
the one that we ultimately both missed and therefore triggered
the jump off. So I was kind of going back
and forth with the officials being like, oh, what's the score?
Like what's where are we actually at? But with about
two jumps, well two jumps to go in that round.
I realized that that we were equal and there was
a real chance we were going to a jump off.
He had just done two personal bests. I think I

(01:03:42):
switched off just a little bit, which was which was
probably I was guilty of that on my part, but
at the same time, you know, I knew I'd get
a back, just depended on whether it would be at
that round. So I came off the mat. I was
jumping second, so he had already done his third attempt
here was already at so I was kind of all
on me. And that's that's where that famous jump with
me jumping under the bar came from, because I I

(01:04:03):
just got my time wrong and pushed two hards. So
so yeah, kind of did that, got off the mat,
walked over to Shelby, locked him in the eyes. He
was already standing there with the officials, and yeah, you
kind of have this moment of like what's going to
go on, Like what's happening here? Like you know, what
do you think? What I thinking? And I just nodded

(01:04:25):
at him. I was like, least jump and he's like yeah,
and so and that was you know it wasn't It
wasn't drawn out, there wasn't a big chat. It was
just let's jump and and and we did that. So yeah,
I think obviously, you know, you could look at that
a lot of different ways, and a lot of people have.
But at the same time, I think that was really
futting that in Tokyo, we you know, we got to

(01:04:46):
experience them sharing it, but I think this time there
was no way we're going to share it. It was
it was definitely a case of wanting to know who
who was who was the best, And I was more
happy I'd already come to terms with it, like I'd
already kind of talked with that with my team, and
the potential of going to jump off, which is it's
impossibly low, like it's it's not even a conversation you

(01:05:07):
should be having because it just never happens in competitions.
Are the only two competitions I've ever been a part
of which I have gone to a jump off of
the two Olympic finals, And so for me, I was
at peace worth the fact that I would rather come
second and a jump off and no than not know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
One of the co gold medal holders from Tokyo Mutaz
is a Bashine from Kata. He was jumping brilliantly.

Speaker 14 (01:05:31):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Every time I watched him jump, he was just miles
over imperious. Then he missed twice at two thirty six
paston and missed at thirty eight. So give us some
insight there, what happened to him at those higher heights?

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Yeah, I mean Basham's he's one of the greatest high
jumpers of all time. He's got second highest height in
terms of personal best. He's jumped two forty three. So
I jumped two thirty six in the Olympic finals. Jumped
two forty three, which is just just mind blowing. He
jumped to forty at like ten years in a row.
But he's old, like he's coming to the end of
his career. He's he's already indicated he was that was

(01:06:07):
going to be his last Olympics. He's done four and
he's meddled at every single one of them. So for him,
you know, I competed against them all season. He's an
amazing high jump. He looks just so beautiful, but he
does kind of potentially lack that kind of top end
that he that he used to have, and so you
know that kind of sixth gear that you would reach for,
and those moments he just doesn't quite have anymore. And

(01:06:29):
so yeah, I mean I always saw him as a threat,
but I think that the way that I was, the
way that he was jumping, you kind of knew that
there was only so many jumps on him. And so yeah,
I think I think once he once he did that
two thirty four and went up two thirty six, so
you kind of knew that that it was all over
from two forty. No, it's jumped it for ages. You reckon,

(01:06:50):
you're still got that two forty in you. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's definitely the next goal. I think. I think
for me, you know, how do you how do you
kind of reframe a career when when you've kind of
won it all. It's sort of a weird place to
be in the place that I didn't really ever think
I would be in. But for me, the reason I
got into athletics is just this ability to be able

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to constantly push to be better, and you know, the
feeling of doing personal bests, whether it was one sixty
five and year eight or one seventy eight and year nine,
or or you know, two thirty six and twenty twenty four.
It's it's such a special feeling and you know, it's
just that feeling of never having done something before and
then finally achieving it. So yeah, it's it's still what
gets me up every morning. And I think two forty

(01:07:33):
is going to be that next barrier.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Fantastic. You got a bit of a break, have you now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Yeah I do. Yeah, I'm not training for the I'm
trying not to think about it, but probably November I'll
start again, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Great to see your iconic moment, my favorite moment of
the Olympic Games. It's been amazing chatting to you and
the lead up and then watching you do it just sensational.
Enjoy a bit of a break, Great to chat to you.
Thanks for popping in, cheers, Ponting, thanks each ma, No,
thank you mate. That is a Hamish Kerr Olympic high
jump gold medalist from Paris twenty twenty four. What incredible
insight there, Nick on text mate, that moment, that moment

(01:08:07):
right there, two jumps down career on the line from
there to a gold medal. That's what champions are made of.
Thanks for that moment, Hamish. Indeed, so say all of us,
you do forget. I don't think i'd forgotten necessarily, but
I remember when Hamish Kerr had jumped two or I
had missed two twenty twice in qualifying, and it's like,

(01:08:30):
he's got one more chance at this. If he misses here,
he's not even in the final. This isn't qualifying. He'd
missed it two twenty twice, a height that ordinarily he
clears easily. It's incredible. What pressure does to you, what
competition does to you. And listen to him talk there
saying that he would have that would have been it

(01:08:52):
if he had missed that jump at two twenty the
third in qualifying and not qualified for the final. He
said it just then, that would probably have been it.
Amazing from there, as Nick just said in that text
to a gold medal, talk about a pivotal moment. Yeah,

(01:09:13):
Ams Kerr, he was already it, already had teas INA's
eyes and yet somehow found it within himself to clear it.
Astonishing nice gold medal too. Hamish Kerr with us on
Weekend Sport, brilliant stuff twenty two away from two on
News Talk said b we're back in a sec We're

(01:09:34):
in Blenheim setting the scene for the Shield Challenge again
this afternoon.

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Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Top towards the uprights and that's over, Jasmine, Jasmine, when
for ren fairly?

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
Shield?

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Now do I reckon the liver? Gets sick of listening
to that. Top of the South A huge supporter of
rugby in the Tasman region is Nelson businessman Shane Drummond.
Former Tasman President board member now a life member, has
done a massive amount for rugby in the Top of
the South and for the community as well. He's at
the game or about to watch the game unfold Drummy,

(01:10:20):
how are the nerves, oh.

Speaker 13 (01:10:22):
I could ask the Noon Pioneer. Yeah no, I'm sitting
in the boardroom on them all on the own so's
I'm getting huge listenership.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
God, are you nervous?

Speaker 13 (01:10:34):
Yeah I am? But yeah, well, unfortunately I was in
South Africa on the All Back tour of last week
and I watched it in a in a hotel room
with me computer hooked up the four G to me
TV and with Gary Munroe and may I tell you what, Yeah,
it was hard work being so far and I'm being
so close. And of course here that Jimmy Tava Nawa

(01:10:57):
I steal. At the end we give all the accoladd
the kicker. We wouldn't have been able to kick it
without mighty Jimmy getting the opportunity. And then yeah, the
young fellow stood up with Campbell Parrada and kept it.
He's not a bad kicker. It's between you and I
and there it was sensational.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
How special was it to finally get the Ranfilly shield
to to the to the Tasman region. I know it's
been in Marlborough, but you know, first time in Nelson.
How special a week has it been.

Speaker 13 (01:11:26):
It's been unelievable. Pointy, you know we've been going eighteen
years and I was one of the shaviors of the
union man Max Spence, with the two Nelson people, but
joining with Marlborough to make Tasman, which is what it's
all about. Now it's no longer Nelson, it's no longer Malboro.
It is Tasman and it's given our young people have
great opportunity. And over the years we've been able to

(01:11:47):
get to know one thing. One year we had seven
or eight all books and the all Black squads, so
they are all important and really really nice things to have.
But we've never had the ranfully shield. And I've been
to the four previous challenges and maybe on the on
the on the bad things, I want.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
To say running, maybe you're maybe you're the issue.

Speaker 15 (01:12:09):
I know.

Speaker 13 (01:12:10):
Yeah, I'm here on here before you had to say it.
So yeah, and you know, for us, it's it's overly special.
We've won the you know, we've come from third division
and then joined as I say, with Marlble to become Tasman,
and we've won won the NBC competition, so you know,
the major steps in such a short time and and

(01:12:33):
and amalgamating and being a success like this is quite
special because others have failed. And yeah, it's just it's
special for both our communities. And you know, we've got
to sold out park at the hands down today and
I'm just watching them still ramping in. You know, I
just hope, like something that we do retain it and

(01:12:54):
we get Nelson the opportunity to benefit for a defense
like this. It's the day here in Marlbret at the
moment is beautiful. The ground is stunning. There's no very
little wonder effort all I can't see any at the moment,
which has again been in the past been a bit
of a mold away. It's beautiful here. So here let

(01:13:16):
the challenge begin.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Indeed, and can you just remind us from me about
the amalgamation or the genesis of the amalgamation, would you say,
eighteen sixteen, eighteen years ago, was there any was there
any opposition to it at the time?

Speaker 13 (01:13:30):
Well, yes there was is fear to say, piney and
guide emotions with your particular unions. And Marlborough is a
very proud union and they did Homer Shield and you
know Nelson may ever did and then we had ownership
of grounds and because they Marlborough owned Lansdowne Park they
don't now and of course Nelson is to out of

(01:13:52):
the park which is owned by the council. We're all
sorts of different things with emotions with it, with you know, players, officials,
past players, and they're all things that you'd expect and
you'd hope for, because the challenge of amalgamating is taking
on the challenge and letting people's emotions, you know, get

(01:14:13):
amongst it. But you know, if you look back now,
you know you walk down the street of Blenn and
Moore Nelson and you know you ask if they're not
already in Marco Gare if you ask them, you know,
what would you like to be? And they would like
to be at Marco. These kids, they don't want to
play for Nelson Base the same as they would Well Malborough.
They want to be a marker. They want to be

(01:14:33):
on the national stage. And you know we've given them
those kids that opportunity to develop and comes through and
to see guys like David Billy you know, and all
the you know Ethan Blackaders and all the all Blacks
that we've had over the last couple of years and
still I haven't and guys that are on the fringes.
You know, you look at a guy like Fimo Christy,

(01:14:55):
you know he's sort of a current all but not
at the moment. And young Noah Wholsome's taking a spot
king who is a Tasman player. So you know that's
great to see those guys coming and giving it a
crack in the Tasman area, then making the marko and
then becoming super players and the ultimate to wear the
all black food.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Indeed, I see your CEO, Steve Mitchell and William HARVILLI
brought the shield into one of your places of business
during the week. You would have enjoyed that.

Speaker 13 (01:15:26):
Yeah, I've been again. Not only was I part of
setting up the union right in two thousand and five
when we established in two thousand and six, but I've
been an Augle sponsor right from the start and still
are piny and proud of that. And yeah, when I
got off the plane on Tuesday, Steve had already emailed
men said that Wednesday morning at nine point thirty Wholly

(01:15:48):
coming round with a player and it was well because
he got a head knock and is unable to play
to day and bring the shield ground to be able
to put it in front of our staff and the
few people that were around. Those are special occasions and
lots of the businesses and Nelson, Marlborough, Golden Bay and
went over to Sturge and Machuaca. That great occasions for

(01:16:08):
everybody in the community to be a part of. And
rather than sitting at in the Union and the odd
person seeing it, they took it on the road around
it to all those areas, which was pretty cool for
the public to be able to hold it, see it,
touch it, and have photos with it and with the players.
So that's cool. And yeah, I am excited to have
it because it's the first time we have had it,
and I hope you know, I know you're up and

(01:16:29):
well into now, but you've been down our way for
a long time in the past. I hope for the
good of Rugby that we're able to retain it and
certainly finds up that we do.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Well, look, I said at the top of the show,
I kind of it's a no lose situation for me
and a big part of me, drumming does hope that
it stays where it is, because you know, a week
doesn't seem long enough. We had Quentin Strange on the
show right at the start of the show and he
talked about taking it over to Collingwood, you know, and
the far flung places like that. You know, I mean,
you won back to back MPC titles in twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty without you know, actually openly saying it, do

(01:17:00):
you reckon? Most people would say, okay, well, if we
keep the shield for the summer, we don't mind too much.
If we don't win the n PC this year.

Speaker 13 (01:17:08):
Yeah, well, I think you and I would have that opinion,
and I do have that opinion. I'd rather have that
now because we've you know, and not that we don't
want to win the competition, because we do. And you
know what an occasion today pinted the two only unbeaten
teams playing for the Ray Shield. That's that's crazy stats.
You know, who would have ever packed that at the

(01:17:30):
start of the year, that you know that we went
to Hawk's Bay and to win it, and then we're
playing the only unbeaten team here today. You wouldn't pick
those things. And it's a great occasion because, yeah, we're
going to be playing probably on paper, the best team
in the competition who is leading it with us, So
let's not lose sight that you know, it's not going
to be easy, but I would like to think the

(01:17:50):
adrenaline and just holding it. You know, we'll get these
guys up. And if you saw what happened to Hawk's
Bay last night, you know, I'm sure they if they
were the Shield was on the line against y Ka
last night, you know, I beg to differ, but they
probably would have paid played it a little bit different.
Losing it is tough, but having it, you know, I'd

(01:18:11):
like to sing that it holds a lot for these
guys and certainly of this community.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Well, you've passed about five or six minutes or closer
to ten minutes. I've managed to pass ten minutes of
your time getting closer to kickoff. Drummy, I'll let you
go and mix and mingle. Hope. It's an awesome afternoon mate.
Thanks for taking our call.

Speaker 13 (01:18:28):
Yeah, well, thank you very much for being part of it.
Place good man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Fins up, as they say, Drummy, fins up. Shane Rummond
well known in the Top of the South, huge supporter
of sport, huge supporter of rugby and a guy who
has basically put his money where his mouth is in
terms of his support for the game of rugby and
the really just community, not just sport, but all parts
of the Nelson community. A very very good man. And

(01:18:53):
look he's right. I'm from Wellington, as I said at
the start of the show, born and bred in Wellington.
Was there when when Wayne Smith took an office. One
is scoring a try in Bernie's corner at Athletic Park
and I was delighted when we got it back, was

(01:19:13):
that two thousand and eight when we won it back
a couple of years ago. Loved it, loved having it here,
love being in and around it. But it just feels
to me as though, look of Wellington won at this afternoon, great,
But if Tasman hold on to it and have the
opportunity to spread it around a little bit more in
the next couple of weeks, I'm just having a look
at forward as to what their next challenge would be

(01:19:35):
if they were to win this afternoon and defend it.
They've got a couple of away games, so obviously it
doesn't go on the line there. They play White Cuttle
and then Otago over the next two weekends, then a
home game a midweek home game, so we'd have a
midweek shield challenge when Auckland come to Trafalga Park in

(01:19:56):
Nelson on Wednesday, the second of October, and should they
defend it there, then four days later they'll be back
at Trafalga Park with Tartanaki coming to pay a visit.
So that would be the path to holding on to
the ran Furley Shield for the summer for Tasman. They
need to win this afternoon beat Auckland on the second
of October and beat Paranaki on the sixth of October. Because,

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as we know, once we get to semis in final,
the ran Furley Shield does not become part of that.
It sits in the trophy cabinet of the team that
finishes the regular season with it. We're about fifteen minutes
away from kickoff in Blenham. If you want to catch
a full commentary, we have it for you on Gold
Sport and iHeartRadio eight away from two News Talks B.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
When it's down to the line. You made a call
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason
Pine News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
V News Talks HEB what are we five to two
bumper edition of in case you missed it? There's heaps
of stuff you might have missed, thankfully, and he's put
together in case you missed it, the the epic edition
for you after two o'clock. Also after two we're in
London where the black Ferns have gone down to England
the red Roses as they're called in women's rugby. This morning,

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over forty thousand turning out twicking him to watch that
one twenty four points to twelve England victorious. They were
twenty four nil ahead Caitlinarcolo with a couple of late
tries shortening up the margin of defeat for the Black Ferns.
But we'll get a view from inside the camp, from
Ruby Tooey. James mccony is with us. For those who

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were wondering where James was in his normal spot around
one forty five, he's been involved in what is it?
Is it classic? Was it a classic All Blacks?

Speaker 16 (01:21:35):
Andy?

Speaker 15 (01:21:35):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
What was he doing? Classic All Blacks or something?

Speaker 13 (01:21:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Classic all Blacks? Classic Tony Fair Piney, Classic all Blacks?
Classic Tuney fil Was it like some sort of like
what's a classic All Black? Who was playing? I think
Chris Marsoy was playing? Stephen Donald? Who else was playing?
I can't remember, but yes, Stephen Donald is beautifully silver
here now the beaver.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
That's worth right well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
So James bcconey is with us. He can talk about that.
He was involved in the broadcast of that, but lots
of other bits and pieces as well. Cricket wise too.
Want to get you to Sri Lanka, where the Black
Aps have arrived ahead of a two Test series against
Sri Lanka. Hopefully and by the sounds of it you
know likely that they'll actually get some cricket in unlike

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what happened in India when they tried to get a
Test away against Afghanistan and it rained on all five days.
Updating you on Fara Hummer Cup rugby as well. Otago
has beaten Wellington fifty one thirty eight in the Championship
semi final, so they will take on Mona War two
in the final next weekend. We'll keep you update with

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the Sheld Challenge too, kicking off in ten minutes in Blenham.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason him on your home of Sport
News Talk.

Speaker 14 (01:22:57):
Sa'd been.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Two o seven another hour Weekend Sport and we'll knock
it on the head and hand it over to Tim Beveridge.
He'll take over the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective
and all the goodness that that brings. Before we can
do that, though, a bit to get through from us.
Ruby Twoey shortly out of the Black Fern's camp as
we pick over the bones of their twenty four to

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twelve defeat to the Red Roses of England at Twickenham.
In the early hours of this morning. Ruby twee along
shortly we're in Sri Lanka with the Black Camps coach
Gary Stead all round, a rich and ravender on the show.
James mcconey will pop in as well. We had to
put him off because he's been involved in another broadcasting commitment,

(01:23:42):
So James macconey this hour. But of David Nikker two
if we can fitiment fairly comfortable when last night for
David Nicki, so we're too now fought him live sporting
action as well. Of course they're underway in the ran
Furley Shield defense Tasman against Wellington at what looks like
a very very sun soaked Landsdown Park in Blenham. They

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do claim, don't they, Marlborough Blenham can't remember which to
be the sunshine capital of New Zealand. They always bring
out these stats, don't they have the number of sunshine
hours and Blenham or the Marlborough region always seem to
end up on top. Well, it's a cracking day there
at the moment, but a high clop no score after
three minutes and the Shield defense Tasman against Wellington. The

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other game going on at the moment is Counties against
Otago at Pokacoe, also scoreless after three minutes. There our
lines of communication remain open. You can use them if
you like eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on the
phone nine two ninety two to send a text eight
and a half past two. As we always do though
at around about this time on weekend sport, we like

(01:24:47):
to bring you up to date with things that might
have escaped your attention. And much as we've been saying
it's a bit of a quieter sporting weekend, it's not really.
There's been heaps on. So can I present to you
a bumper edition of Andy McDonald's in case you mised feature.
Let's start with the NPC Bay of plenty yesterday. Plenty

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strong enough to deal with the challenge of Talanaki, pops it.

Speaker 19 (01:25:11):
Back and it is intercepted by Narawa and anybody who's
got the guest to wow, beautifully chased down by that
man right to mighty booking Nickkins.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
But the support was there in the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Shape of finan a Norfall, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Is a try four Bay of plenty against the run
of play and they ran out winners by thirty three
points to twenty. Australian Taine ed Med steered North Harbor
to a big win over Manawatu. Oh wait to the lead.
Edmed with the kick pass oh It's brilliant and muck
up scores in the left hand corner. Edman five medicine

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from the left wing. Touch what's the bed?

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
It'll go straight over the black dock.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Ten from ten and it has fifty eight nineteen Harbor
beating Manawatu and Angelo Lee. Wheeler scored a cool thirty
five points as White Cuttle made it a miserable night
in Hamilton for the Magpies.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Picked up Olioia, He's gonna go for four?

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Here is he done?

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Leo wheel has got four and he kicks the ball
over the fence out of the road.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Thank you very much. He we're forty one five here
four trice six conversions and appearally for Dangelo Loela and
White Cuto big winners by fifty points to five. Let's
get to motorsport Formula one qualifiers and Baku. An impressive
performance from Ferrari.

Speaker 20 (01:26:37):
Charlotte Clair fastest of anybody in the middle Seenter comes
across the line.

Speaker 21 (01:26:41):
Pole for Charlott Clair, but Cerchio Perez, what could he do?

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
He crosses the line.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
It's only fourth for.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Perez, but for Charo Leclair it's another pole around the
streets of Baku.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Let's get to the NRL Week one of the finals.
The Melbourne Storm. All levels of dominance over the Sharks.
Forty's not out of the question.

Speaker 22 (01:27:02):
We're gonna go to field gou Ryan paper housing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Why not practice.

Speaker 22 (01:27:07):
Soul dress reheutle fens is the exclamation bark off the
day thirty seven to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yeah, dominance the Melbourne Storm and the Cowboys have put
an end to the Newcastle Knights season. Up in Townsville.
Ties it back to Dedon, He'll take him on.

Speaker 21 (01:27:26):
Tom did.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
It's dolls and the Cowboys are alive.

Speaker 22 (01:27:31):
In twenty twenty four, Tom Denon puts them on his
back and says.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
Follow me, boys all the way to Sydney to take
on the Sharks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Here twenty eight to sixteen, the Cowboys over the Nights
to the World Series of Dance, Young triumphing against old
Luke Littler, winning over Raymond van Barnabelt eighteen would leave
him the bulls eye.

Speaker 22 (01:27:56):
Now push him on the double and he takes its
double seven and Varney.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Knows that he played a terrific game of dance himself,
that he just had got it in. He said, stop
this phenomenal young talent. Let's got a goal for Rory
McElroy in good shape to win. The Irish Golf opened
despite a chaotic eighteenth hole and.

Speaker 23 (01:28:17):
As a bogey six, I'm afraid it will last for
Rory McElroy. It's a two hundred ount of sixty nine
for the race to do by leader. So we'll go
into Sunday something a second Gene Irish Open titled It's
six under.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Part to the Premier League. It was a happy outing
in Southampton for Manchester United.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
Now, Dallo, can they set the sea lot of me
Gollum a free? They canndy Gana Joe wraps it up.
Three goals, three points and some welcome respites from Manchester United.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
The three Noill winners out of Southampton. Manchester City meantime,
had none other than Earling Harland to think as he
continued his outrageous goal scoring form against Brentford Lort. Harland's
just pumps his way past ten nack through the goal.

Speaker 22 (01:29:06):
That happens, there is never any doubts. It's goal scoring
on another level from the van of the moments.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Yes, City two one winners over Brentford, but an unhappy
night at home for Liverpool. How about that he's picked
out Hudson a doy.

Speaker 21 (01:29:27):
Those two are making an impression, making a difference and
Hutcheon a die has made it even take a difference there.
Notting A Forest have slapstile and filled where they've been
one for fifty five years. There's work to be done,
but remarkably they have the league.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
And they held on to Chris Wood and Nottingham Forest
winning at Anfield for the first time since nineteen sixty nine.
And finally, David Nika continues his rise in the world
of boxing. Not to see beautiful Catawa here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Off the south court position coming is a beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
Temple show's eyes eyes are clear.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
But that's corner you win by tko.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
The Scoons from the track, field and the court on
your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason vine Us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I think that's the longest edition of Incasion, mister we've
ever had. It's two fourteen. I hope you're all caught
up now. I'll just catch you up quickly on the
shield defense in Blenheim. Eight minutes gone Tasman nil, Wellington nil.
Unfortunately Quentin Strange, captain of Tasman, had to leave the
field after just four minutes. So such a shame for

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the skipper of the home side, having all that anticipation
right across the week. In a huge occasion for he
and his team, he has been able to get past
the fourth minute. He has left injured. Nil all after
eight minutes between Tasman and Wellington. It's bang on quarter
past two towards midfield.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Bounces up, well, it bounds up and you feel under
well right hey. The man maks up on a left hand.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Side Baha follow Pensy escapes again paland ba ha.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Folow down the left pen side of the park.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Scores New Zealand's rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Joseph goes down the left hand blind Twoe releases of.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
The ha Hollo ba ha holo down the left back.

Speaker 8 (01:31:34):
Tide sill start.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Neck will be full time.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
England's too good at Twickenham.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Twenty four to twelve. That's our rugby editor and lead commentator,
Elliott Smith. Calling it England's Red Roses a bit of
a thorn in the Black Ferns side, winning their home
rugby International twenty four to twelve at Twickenham in the
early hours of this morning. New Zealand trailed twenty four
nil early in the second half before those two late
tries to Caitlin call All closed the gap. Black Fern's

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winger Ruby Toohey, came off the bench and set up
the second of those tries as she joined us. Now, Ruby,
how do you reflect, first of all on the game
in broad sort of general terms.

Speaker 17 (01:32:15):
Yeah, look, that game really helped us out. We've got
to see a lot of pictures, We've got to try
a lot of things and mate, the crowd was awesome.
A few of us stayed around afterwards to sign a
few things and the support forms Rugby. Yeah, it was
really cool experience for your.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Hand, unbelievable. So in terms of the game itself, quite
a bit of early pressure exerted by the Black Ferns.
A bit frustrating that you couldn't well disappointing you couldn't
convert that early pressure into some points.

Speaker 17 (01:32:45):
Yeah, look, that was probably the best start we've had
in a long time. I think England probably would have
been really frustrated in that first but as well, and
I think, you know, there were just a couple of
tiny moments, passes, bounces kind of thing that if they
went the other way, you know, we definitely would have
been a nil some points all credits in England. When

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they come into their green dome into our twenty two,
you know they're converted. You got to commend that. And
then in the second half I started to open up again,
so you know, it was a bit of an army resort.
I think we played really well for a big chunk
of that game. The parts that they played well, they converted,
so you have to commit England on that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
How did you find it watching on from the bench, Yeah,
to be honest, that's my.

Speaker 17 (01:33:31):
First time ever coming off the bench for the Black Friends,
and man, I could hardly sit down, to be honest.

Speaker 13 (01:33:37):
It was so exciting.

Speaker 17 (01:33:38):
You know, it was so cool to see Ashev Singer
return to the Black Jusey and you just sprinting down
that worn like nothing else. One of their breaks, if
started sprinting down there when Weather and I got told
off to come back to the sub box. So it
was just It was so cool bro, Like you know,
I try and dedicate my life to being a really
good black friend, but at my heart, I'm just such
a fan of this team. So it was such a

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cool occasion. It was really really awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Once you got on, do you did you find it?
Like people say, you go on make an impact, but
did you did it take a little bit of time
to get into the game or were you okay once
you got on there?

Speaker 17 (01:34:10):
Now, there was one thing I found watching from the bench,
you can kind of see, you know, that last pass
or you can see where the space kind of was
opening up, so you know, it was it was really cool. Actually,
I think it actually helped me doup the sea and
hire coming on. You know, we could we could kind
of see where to infiltrate them, and we ended up yeah,

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well at least one try. I can't remember exactly, but no,
it was. It actually sets up quite well being able
to see the space.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Before you go on a ticket and a couple of
tries for Caitlin at the end, how much you know,
how much confidence I guess do you take from that
that you know eventually you did bust them down, got
a couple of tries so I guess just do it,
you know, a little bit earlier in the game. Would
that be the would that be the key when you
meet them again shortly?

Speaker 17 (01:34:57):
Yeah, definitely, there's just you know, I really I actually
can't wait to watch the footage because there's just going
to be so much gold in there for us, you know. Definitely,
Like I said, got to commend them on their twenty
two entries, but looking back at ours, I know all
of us are going to be being like, oh, I'm
so close. So if anything, it just really wracked us up.

(01:35:17):
It's a really exciting you know, I'm actually really grateful
Daily has come over here and have a jam. Got
to go to Twickenham, you know, got to be in
London where the World Cup will be tolp months out.
So if anything, that just I'm pretty sure I can
speak on behalf of the gures. That just made us
so excited moving forward and moving into this next chapter
our June to give it its Oh man, I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
That's cool because yeah, because you get to obviously continue
now with w XV one, you get another crackit England
in a couple of weeks goo the Ireland as well,
so there is there confidence, excitement, optimism as you as
you look to I guess hop on a plane shortly
and get to the get to the next port of.

Speaker 17 (01:35:52):
Corp absolutely like, this is so cool to have a
Wix speed competition. You know some means for the black
friends you're just playing and once met it. But we're
so lucky, you know, we've got these competitions. Now you're right,
we get to go bank three more internationals out and
it's really really crucial for our preparation. We don't know

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when we'll play them again, you know, so the dumb
X we will head over to Canada's phone and it's
going to be you know, really really fun. After that
game that it's felt like a little tasty, you know,
so we're really looking forward to WXV and we really
stoked to have that competition.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
What is Twickenham like?

Speaker 17 (01:36:30):
Yeah, talking them, it's pretty cool. It's got another kind
of third tier, like one more than Eden Park, and
then it's got this kind of half roost that comes
over and what ends up happening is the acoustics just
kind of multiply so when the crowd goes off or
even we did kept and running with no one in
there and Tania coronavally sneeze and honestly was so loud

(01:36:51):
because it goes so loud. So it's like it's quite
a funny stadium for playing because every time the crowd rules,
it's really really loud. And it was really cool. You know,
they love the Hacker, they really you know, we could
hear them chair for us as well. Definitely heard the
kiris that we're out there, so it's definitely one of
a kind talking on stadium and I'm oh, man, I
think last of my played here was the sevens in

(01:37:11):
like twenty fifteen or something, so it was it was
called come back, run it back and have a jam.
And I'll tell you I'm looking forward to tom at
the time for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
And have you got King Charles' phone number in your
phone now?

Speaker 17 (01:37:28):
And then like you're going to see the well, like
what is it even? I don't know if you've been
to London, you know how Eyon goes to London and
then go to stand outside the fence. I've ever done
by the fence opened up. We drove in the bus
and then the castle and you might drive right through
the whole wall. So buzzy y, but no, he was.

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The king was really really nice. It will be down
to earth and he played rugby in the secondary and
broken nose.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Some fact a good fact too. Thanks for staying up
late for us, Ruby, safe travels. Look forward to seeing
how the Black Fians go in WX ME one.

Speaker 17 (01:38:04):
Hey, look, thank you so much anyone, as I'd appreciate
it more than you know, and thank you for all
the support and back excuss it missus David appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
No good on your Ruby thinks indeed, Ruby twey there
out of the Black Ferns Camp twenty four to twelve
went down to England at twicken In this morning. So
they're on a plane now and in two weeks they
begin WXV one. They take on they go to Canada.
All of these games are in Canada. In Vancouver they
take on Ireland on Monday September thirty, then England again
in Vancouver on Monday October seven, and then on Sunday,

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October thirteenth, also Vancouver, they play France. So a good
gauge and another crack at England in the In the
not too distant future, Tasman have drawn first blood in Blenham.
Timothy Tavatava Nawa has crashed over in the right wing
corner to score a try for the shield Holders. They
are five nill ahead after fifteen minutes, although Wellington playing

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at the moment under penalty advantage, so let's say what
they do with that when that phase of play comes
to an end. Just check for you the or in
the other game, Counties fourteen Otago three in Pocacoe. After
fifteen minutes there twenty three minutes past two, we'll take
a break. Come back slightly delayed, but with this is
always on a Sunday James mcconey Right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend
Sport with Jason Vain and GJ. Gunn homes New Zealand's
most trusted oh Builder.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
News TALKSB two twenty six on News Talks theirb a
bit later than usual, but always good to get the
chance on a Sunday afternoon to chat to James mcconey.
This is your second presumably broadcasting assignment of the day.
What were you doing earlier? Was it a classic All
Blacks match? Tell us about this?

Speaker 18 (01:39:46):
Yes, classic All Blacks versus Classic Tunny Far Northland Tunny
fair enfang are, beautiful day there at the stadium, and
some absolute stars of the game. Probably the biggest star
was Conrad Smith. It was reffing the game and I
thought he did a sterling job, although he copped a
lot of abuse from his old teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Who in particular was getting mauthy towards Conrad Smith or
were they all?

Speaker 18 (01:40:13):
I don't want to name names, but John R. Ford
does friend to mine. He is quite lively and as
I mean to be honest, he's he's missing his calling.
He is a commentator and a prop's body and he
needs to someone in the sky needs to sign him
up immediately. But yeah, look some of the big names

(01:40:33):
out there, I say the Switzervaki, Stephen Donald. That was
the starting back line with Andre Taylor, Taylor looking incredible
still playing club rugby and manuat too. And of course
as a Hurricanes fan pioneer, you must feel that he
was hard done by and Conrad Smith agreed that Andre
Taylor should have been an All Black.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
I remember, as you said his name, I remember there
was a season where he was spectacularly good and being
talked about in All Black terms, and I remember actually
hearing an interview with him a year or so later,
where he said the fact he did didn't get picked
really affected him because he thought he'd done enough, but
Cley just not quite enough at that time.

Speaker 18 (01:41:14):
I mean there were lots of questionable calls. I mean,
any ranger probably should have been at least a fifty
test All Black. And that's what always feels the worst
for those players, is that in any other nation, you know,
Andre Taylor would have played one hundred Tests for the Wallabies, right,
So it's just that Zealand it's the toughest nut to crack.
The All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
I say, a toy Ather, what sort of shape is
he in?

Speaker 6 (01:41:38):
Looking good?

Speaker 18 (01:41:39):
Knees strapped up, but looking really good. Yeah, I saw
the iceman's looking good. Frank HALLI bigger than on what
I thought, and definitely thought he was possibly a number
eight or even maybe a front rower. But he scored
it and away try so I take it all back,
Frank Halla, he's still got it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
And I got a message here at Troy Flavel and
Hecker Elliott were there as well. By the sounds of things.

Speaker 18 (01:42:03):
Hecker looking like he still should be playing his very
fit nehim Ilina Scudder as well. I mean I thought
I thought he was too young, but he's actually thirty three.
Troy Flavel forty eight years old, looking super young. I
don't know what his secret is. It's either he's on
the oil of olay or the natural glow, maybe a
combination of the two. And yeah, forty eighth and looking

(01:42:26):
fit as a fiddle, Troy flevel.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Do you reckon Nihimlna scudder just because you've mentioned him
as one of the great lost opportunities of all black
rugby because of injury. I mean twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup, James,
You'll remember this absolute star came home from there, you know,
scoring tries at the World Cup. Looked like the world
was at his feet. He would have played not even
ten Test matches after that because of injury.

Speaker 18 (01:42:49):
Right exactly. And it's a shame as well, because it
was he came along at a time when they actually
really needed one of those multi skilled wingers. You look
at other nations and they have them now, don't they.
You know Ireland with Matt Hanson, these wingers who can
kind of like great steppers, great on their feet. James
Lowe probably qualifies as one of those wingers as though

(01:43:10):
he's a bit beefier, but narhim Milna Scudder, the side
step on him was amazing. But I think that he
plugged that gap that we lost when we lost Charles
Piertew we knew we needed or Ted Limith, Will Steve
Hanson knew that we needed X factor and he was
one of those all blacks always felt as well in
their hair that no matter the occasion, he still just

(01:43:33):
played exactly the same way. He wasn't overawed by anything.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
No, it was on because they took White sucking a
hollow on that World Cup touring party as well. Remember
they left Corey Jane and Israel dag out which was controversial,
took Naholo and Milna Scudder. I've just checked the stats here, James.
After the World Cup final in twenty fifteen Nearhi, Milna
Scudder played just five more test matches. That is madness, madness,

(01:43:58):
and he would have.

Speaker 18 (01:43:59):
Been after that World Cup final. You can imagine he
probably would have been. He would have had advertisers, sponsors
clamoring to get his services. But if I may segue,
even though this is your show, onto another outstanding Hurricanes player, please,
and this is probably going to hurt you, poney. But
you've probably seen the news that Josh Morby will be

(01:44:20):
going to Montpellier and fulfilling his contract in front, even
though I understand that he was trying to get out
of it and stay in New Zealand because he was
getting very close to that all Black squad.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Yeah, so he's another one as he covers fall back
as well, and back in fact plays played and plays
a lot of fallback for Northland in particular terrific on
the wing for the Hurricanes. Just I don't know, do
you think he just thought did he look at the
que ahead of him and think, you know what, there
are a lot of guys in that queue, and I'm
not really getting any indication that I'm moving up that queue.

Speaker 18 (01:44:52):
I think it's just a difference in pay when you're
an up and coming player and suddenly an overseas club
says we'll pay you what a superstar deserves, or you
know what we think your star quality deserves, And so
I think that was the tempting thing, and so he
would have signed. I guess it's called a something like
a pre contract, and I think to get out of
that contract that costs one hundred and fifty thousand euros

(01:45:14):
or something like that, and then you know everybody was
probably keen for Josh to stay. Josh was probably keen
to stay, but then they balk at that price tag.
So another player who I think is really underrated athletically.
I understand that when he was in Cambridge because his
sister in law is Tory Peter's the javelin. He was
in there training with Olympic athletes and they was saying

(01:45:37):
his speed testing was off the chart. So you know,
kind of a dark horse really, Josh Morby. But he'll
be lost in his yellow rugby for two years at least.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Thoroughly nice blood too. I'm not sure if you've had
the chance to meet Josh Moreby, have you.

Speaker 18 (01:45:51):
Mate, He's the son of a tea on which a
dairy farmer. Do you think I haven't met Josh Morby?
Or mean, how do I know so much about Josh Morby? No,
it's I actually haven't met him. I think maybe I've
spoken to him on zoom, but I feel like i'd
know him because he's from my hometown.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Look, if he was walking down the street and you
said good Josh, he'd say good James. In chat for
twenty minutes. He's a terrific, terrific bloke. Yeah, great guy speaking.

Speaker 18 (01:46:23):
Sorry carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
No, no, no, please, you were talking about some drama
in football.

Speaker 18 (01:46:28):
In the world of football, I was thinking about yet
clim Kover actually, and I known a lot of people
out there might be might not be following the soap
opera of the football fans coaching saga. But yeah, she's
finally resigned, and I think this is I guess that
an example of player power and action.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Yeah, it felt inevitable, didn't it. We had Andrew Pragnell
on the show yesterday. They eventually did put him up
to chat after a bit of a cone of silence
on Friday when this news dropped. Yeah, and it felt
very much as though there was just a huge disconnect
between Yitka and a vast majority of those players. I
think this is the right outcome. It's taken us quite

(01:47:05):
a while to get here. I was actually sort of
thinking on the drive in this morning, who might be
a potential replacement for Yetka Klimkova. Do you think they
might look at Paul Temple, the coach of the Wellington
Phoenix women's team.

Speaker 18 (01:47:21):
Yeah, I think there's there's a name like Paul's will
definitely be on the on their radar. I mean that
there is something that needs to happen there with the
football Ferns, that it needs a reboot, a refresh. But
it was tough though, because I think you left the
jog my memory. But the coach that took over it

(01:47:42):
was it was always going to be a fractured situation
where the team wasn't in a good space.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Yeah, Michael Mayne, he was one of the assistants. But
the problem there, or one of the problems, was that
the first time he took over, he found out like
a day before. It wasn't like at any warning at all.
When they went to Spain to play Japan, Michael Maine
was going over there and arrived there and was all
ready to do his role as assistant coach and obviously
got a phone called or something and said, hey mate,

(01:48:08):
you're in charge. So yeah, it was all very curious.

Speaker 18 (01:48:11):
Yeah, man, Mania is a great man.

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 18 (01:48:14):
It's you can't really judge someone on just having to
do a caretaker job. But the one football story, I
guess it was a bright light. Was it one or
draw against the USA? From the All Whites, and I'm
just thinking, this is this is the dawn of a
new era. We didn't even have I don't think we
had Sarpret sing playing. I don't think Elijah just was playing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Jah Elijah was there, Yeah, no, but no Sapriri Yeah no, Sapriq.
A couple of others no, Callum Macowart, he wasn't there either.
A couple of others who would be in and around
the squad weren't there. So yeah, it was a I mean,
the US are going through what they would probably call
a rebuilding phase and they've got Marico Pochettino into to
boss them around now. But you know, I think it
was a I mean, when you draw one all with

(01:48:56):
the team that's sixteenth in the world and you're ninety fourth.
For what that's worth, it's a good result.

Speaker 18 (01:49:02):
It's amazing. You're away from home in Cincinnati. They've got
plus who's their one big super star. But I think,
you know, the collective, let's just call it the star
power medium star power of the All Whites is good
enough to match it with USA, And there's definitely some
promising signs there and I think you can see the

(01:49:22):
way that all those players make themselves available that and
I'm sure Sarpret will as well. He just needed to
find himself a club. I think he's in Portugal now. Yeah,
it's just aug as well, isn't it For the future
it does.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they go. They've
got World Cup qualifies next and they should breeze through those.
And as you know, it's it's automatic qualification for Oceania now,
so by the back end of March next year we
should have the all Whites confirmed that the twenty twenty
six World Cup and then I guess the secret is
James is to get some decent games like these ones
against Mexico and the US to pan out those windows

(01:49:55):
between March of next year and when the World Cup
rolls around in kind of June and July of twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 12 (01:50:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:50:02):
And the other thing I think that needs to be
noted for anyone who's just the medium sort of football
fan and dips in and dips out, is that right
now we've probably got the most creative squad that we've
ever had. And even if it runs deep, you know,
if you if you had to call someone else in,
but if you've got Elijah just star pre seing being old,

(01:50:24):
all these players who are actual, proper, you know, playmakers,
creative creativity. I think Australia would be would be jealous
of the squad. And then you've got people like Joey
Champness who's come back to play for Auckland C. It's
exciting times in that I'd call it a problem position
for Southern Hemisphere or you know Oceania teams. We don't

(01:50:44):
always produce those types of creative players.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Don't forget Marco Rojas down here at Wellington Phoenix again, James, another.

Speaker 6 (01:50:50):
One goodness from Hamilton?

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Yes, yes, another one another from the mighty White Cuttle
just before you go, did you catch up with the
new format for Super Rugby next year? The eleven teams
and the and the top six and the lucky losers
and those sorts.

Speaker 18 (01:51:06):
Of Yeah, it's interesting man. I mean I think it
mirrors a little bit of what the NRL does. I
think the playoffs needs to be needed, some kind of
shake up. I don't mind that is maths equations required.
It just adds to the intrigue. So yeah, it's great
to see. I always just when it comes to Super rugby.

(01:51:27):
You know, I always get excited about it, but then
I just wonder, you know, how do they maximize it?
Because that Super Rugby semi final between the Chiefs and
the Hurricanes was an absolute blockbuster, but still so many
yellow seats. That's the challenge for Super Rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Absolutely always great to chat. James. Will try and get
you back in your normal spot next Sunday, but I
mean you will have many other commitments, I know. But
let's get your people to talk to our people and
we'll chat at some stage. I'm sure next Sunday.

Speaker 18 (01:51:57):
See exactly you can. I'm sure our people can work
it out. It's not going to be a Josh Morby situation.
We'll be able to sort.

Speaker 13 (01:52:02):
This one now.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Thanks. Indeed, James, only big part of our Sundays normally
one forty five A bit later today, but always great
to chat all sorts of sport with James on a
Sunday afternoon. Twenty one away from three. Updating you from
the ran Furley Shield defense in Blenham. Still very tight.
Tasman five nill ahead Wellington had a try they thought

(01:52:25):
that scored chalked off by the TMO. Tasman have just
missed a penalty from a fairly handy position, so yeah,
not a not a high scoring affair. Twenty nine minutes
gone Tasman five, Wellington Neil. When we come back, we're
in Sri Lanka with the Black Apps.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Two forty two. The black Caps are on their way
to Sri Lanka, where they'll play two Test matches against
the home side, both at Gaul International Stadium, the first
of which starts on Wednesday, weather permitting, of course. Speaking
of the weather, of course, the scheduled only Test between
New Zealand and Afghanistan and India was completely abandoned due

(01:53:15):
to rain. Not a single ball bowled across the five days,
so any useful preparation that that might have provided completely
lost to the black Caps, unfortunately. Coach of the side
as Gary Steed, who joins us now, how do you
reflect back on the last week, Gary and the frustration
of not being able to get any cricket in at all?

Speaker 24 (01:53:35):
Yeah, I mean, it was frustrating that we couldn't get
on and play cricket, but fortunately the amount of rainment
that came down made that sort of just a reality
for us that we're looking forward to get into Sri
Lanka now is obviously a big test series in front
of us and starting in four or.

Speaker 15 (01:53:55):
Five days from now.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Did it ever feel at any stage during the week
like you might get some cricket?

Speaker 15 (01:54:02):
Yeah, not really.

Speaker 24 (01:54:03):
I mean, the sun obviously shone a little bit in
the in the first couple of days, but that I
think it was twelve hundred millimeters of rain over that
sort of week period, so days three, four five, that
didn't really stop.

Speaker 15 (01:54:16):
Raining at all. So yeah, it became pretty unrealistic.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
So how did you win the players past the time?

Speaker 24 (01:54:22):
Look, I mean the guys you generally go down to
the ground early and just wait wait until the games
either abandoned for the day and head back.

Speaker 15 (01:54:31):
Go to the gym. There's a bit of cards or
monopoly deal.

Speaker 24 (01:54:36):
Or some scouting of the opposition and hallway cricket as well.
So we've got a we had a nice little area
there that guys could just make around a week bit in.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
I got some cricket and I guess how disappointing though,
was this garry as a missed opportunity ahead of you know,
some big tast matches against Sri Lanka and India.

Speaker 15 (01:54:55):
Yeah, there was no doubt. It is a missed opportunity.

Speaker 24 (01:54:58):
I mean, whilst there's no wild Tiest Championship points on it,
it would still the opportunity for us, I think, to
get match hardened and and get in that I guess,
real real game practice, and.

Speaker 15 (01:55:11):
Unfortunately that it wasn't to be the case. But the
sort of the reasons that are out of our control.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Does it make the Sri Lankan series more difficult without
having had that warm up game if you like, But it.

Speaker 15 (01:55:23):
Definitely makes it more difficult.

Speaker 24 (01:55:25):
But look, we had three really good camps at home
before we got over here on turning wickets, so it's
not like guys haven't been preparing well. It just means
that there's been a little bit of downtime. We still
managed to train leading into the Test match and one
of the days during the Test match as well, so

(01:55:45):
it's not like the guys have been sitting doing absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Sri Lanka, how do you assess the threat that they'll
present to you in these two Test matches.

Speaker 15 (01:55:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:55:54):
I mean Sri Lanka are always tough, especially in their
home conditions, and they've got a very good record at
goal where we're playing both Test matches as well, so
we're going to have to play very well. They are
familiar with their conditions. It's one of the reasons we
have bought Rangin our hero on board with us as well.
He understands those local conditions and hopefully he can assist

(01:56:15):
us in our thinking when it comes to match time.

Speaker 10 (01:56:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Can you tell us a bit more about what he's added.
Presumably he's been a valuable addition as you prepare for
these matches.

Speaker 15 (01:56:24):
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean we've had Rangin Aran for.

Speaker 24 (01:56:28):
This last Test match and also Vikarim Latoire as well.
He was the Indian batting coach and under Ravel Dravid.
So we have tried to, I guess, get those guys
in and around our group. And whilst there wasn't played,
there's still certainly plenty of discussions that have been going on.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Have you got an indication as to whether the weather
will be better in Sri Lankan?

Speaker 24 (01:56:51):
Yeah, I would expect it will be, but look I
mean we can't again, we can't control those things. So
we'll get down there prepared as well as we can
and hopefully we get five five great days.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
And do you feel confident you can match the Shri
Lankans and these two Test matches?

Speaker 15 (01:57:05):
Yeah, we went to Sri Lanka.

Speaker 24 (01:57:07):
We had a one all draw with them in the
Test series, so we certainly know we can win over there.

Speaker 15 (01:57:13):
But then they'll be buoyed by.

Speaker 24 (01:57:14):
Their recent Test victory over England and England as well,
so they are certainly playing a good brand of cricket
as well.

Speaker 15 (01:57:21):
But I mean, you come back to.

Speaker 24 (01:57:23):
To Sri Lanka, I'm sure their makeup of their team
will look different as well as ours does from our
home conditions.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
And a current look at the World Test Championship table
shows you've got some work to do if you want
to make another World Test Championship final, including winning a
few of these upcoming tests on the sub contin and
they get Sri Lanka and against India. Is that a
daunting prospect for you?

Speaker 14 (01:57:45):
Gary?

Speaker 24 (01:57:46):
Look, it's not something we think about a lot. We
know where we sit at the moment. To make that final,
you've got to be in the top two teams, which
normally means you've got to be up around that sixty
to seventy percent sort of area win rates. So that
means we probably have to win five or six of
the next nine tests and that is going to be
a tough ass, but I think this team.

Speaker 15 (01:58:07):
Is capable of it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
All right, thanks for joining us, Gary, appreciate it all
the best for these two test matches. Gary Stead, coach
of the black Caps. First Test Againstri Lanka starts on Wednesday.
Pretty friendly viewing times for us on the side of
the world. Four point thirty in the afternoon the day's
play will start, so go through to close to midnight presumably,
and let's hope there's actually some cricket to watch. By
the sounds of it and by the looks of the
forecast and the weather conditions in Gaul compared to where

(01:58:33):
they were in India for the Afghanistan Test, it looks
as though cricket is a lot more likely. Just want
to finish with some boxing because David Nika has easily
dealt with veteran American Tommy Carpenzi inside three rounds in
his homecoming fight, his first in New Zealand since his
pro debut three years ago. His tenth victory David Nica

(01:58:53):
ninth by stoppage. Carpenci never really any match for Nika.
He did the damage with multiple heavy body shots in
the first couple of rounds. So how does he reflect
on the fight in an overall sense?

Speaker 20 (01:59:05):
It was a nick start, like I would have liked
to have gotten straight into it. I hate when the
crowd goes quiet, but like, no, it was good.

Speaker 19 (01:59:12):
I did what I had to do.

Speaker 20 (01:59:14):
I was patient enough. I still think I could have
set my shots up a little bit better. There are
a few times where I swung a little bit wid
not wildly, but just offended a little bit too too aggressively.
But it's my first big show, first big headlining act,
so it's a step.

Speaker 6 (01:59:33):
In the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
Does he feel though he needs tougher opponents now.

Speaker 20 (01:59:36):
I'd like tougher opposition. Tonight you saw Tommy give up
to a certain degree. I need guys that are gonna
push me and test me because that's where you'll see
the best. David Yucker and to his credit, he did
everything he could. But you know, I want to get
taken to the trenches because that's where.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
I'll throve and does David. You can feel it'll be
tougher though, to find worthy opponents, given how comprehensive this
victory was.

Speaker 20 (01:59:58):
No, I don't think so. I think I was too
big for Tommy. I think that became apparent when he
couldn't me up on the inside, he couldn't move me.
I think there are a lot of names out there
that I called out. I called out Robin so Far
before my last fight in Saudi, and that's that's a

(02:00:19):
fight that I think would be really attractive. And if
if the Saudi's want that fight, we can take it
to Saldi. I know there's big, a big card with
Chris Bill and Smith and Zerda Ramirez. They'll be unifying
two bolts. I'd love to I love to be on
that card. If not that card, I'd love to get
on the December card with the Fury You Sick number two.

(02:00:40):
That might make sense to have to have myself in
so Far on that card. But I loved I loved
everything about tonight. Tonight was was an awesome experience and
I just felt so at home, And you know, it
was probably one of the most relaxing warm ups and
entrances I've ever had. You know, just knowing that everybody's
in my corner, knowing that I've got all the support
from ALTA at all and obviously having the likes of

(02:01:03):
Manuka Doctor behind this event has has made at what
it is and you know, everybody had a great night.
The undercard was incredible. We can, we can, we can
take this to the world, you know, especially with with
the Zone backing us our global platform. We've got so
much to so much to prove here and old all
and we've got so much talent. I love, I love

(02:01:24):
to see Jackson England and Alex Learpi Junr doing well.
That was an amazing knockout by by my my little
big my big little brother, you know, such a such
a cool night and great way to great way to
top it off and yeah, looking forward to doing it again.

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
That is David Nika after his easy win over the
veteran American Tommy cup Pency in Auckland last night, Night
Away from Three, New Stalks.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the weekend Sport
with Jason yin News Talk zen.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
B five and a half Away from Three. That is
US four Weekend Sport for today and for the weekend.
Tim Beveridge will join you after three o'clock with the
Sunday Edi Year of the Weekend Collective. We're back on
Sports Talk tomorrow night between seven and eight. Huge thanks
to Andy McDonald for producing the show. Thanks mate, enjoy
your weekend off. Next weekend we'll get by without you,

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so see you in a couple of weeks. Enjoy yourself.
Thank you for tuning in. It's always a pleasure to
have you joining the show or just listening, and we
appreciate how busy your lives are. Thank you for spending
some of it with us. Eight three Tasmin lead Wellington
at halftime in the Shield Defense in Blenham, speaking of which,
the song to take Us Out Today was number one
the last time there was a ran Furly Shield Defense

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in Blenham, when Marlborough lost it at the back end
of their tenure, which was in the middle of nineteen
seventy four. Number one on the charts that day was
Wings with Paul McCartney up front and band on the run.
I believe this song is fifty years old. Enjoy your
Sunday Said Tomorrow night five an out.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
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World began to set down.

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Speaker 2 (02:03:34):
The searching for us everywhere, but we never builp.

Speaker 21 (02:03:42):
Bad And on the run, on the road, the county.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Men, the drous.

Speaker 21 (02:03:57):
Search forever all or the Band of Round.

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