September 21, 2024 • 8 mins
The All Blacks have retained the Bledisloe Cup after a nail-biter match against Australia in Sydney.
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland joins Piney to talk about the knife-edge 31-28 victory, and why the team are finding it so hard to score in the last 20 minutes of the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zed B barrif as a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
TT draws Clark Clark, what on two.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Saws?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
He found a way through to defenders and the All
Blacks have three.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It was all looking pretty rosy at that stage, wasn't it?
Twenty one nil after about fifteen minutes, but the All
Blacks eventually getting home thirty one points to twenty eight
in Sydney last night. Let's bring an All Blacks assistant
coach Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for your time. You've given
this one the overnight test. How do you assess last
night's game in general terms?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
First of all, yeah, obviously you really you're really happy
with what we did early in the game. You know,
we were pretty accurate at what we did and then
we're able to hold on the board and put the
Ausies under massive pressure, which we saw on the scoreboard.
But you know, again, a little bit around the second
half around not being able to hold onto the ball
(01:05):
and play the right parts field and in the second
half was you know, it was something we need to
figure out and we need to make sure that we
can hold onto the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So it's a bit of a spiral, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Or we don't have the ball and the opposition give
them our half and cards are coming from that. So yeah,
it's definitely that an area we'll focus on. But at
the end of the day, pretty nicely working out of
Australia with low cup.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Indeed, the fast art Jase twenty one nil after sixteen minutes.
What do you put it down to? What was so
good in the first fifteen minutes?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Just nice and simple and accurate.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, we had a couple of key, key plans
around there, how we're going to take them from ship
peace and it got some real good go forward and
that early on. And again, as I said, I keep
saying the power position, but we held onto the ball
really well and eventually broke them down and I think
it was twenty one and no when then, you know,
probably could easily have been, you know, doubled up by halftime.
If we continue with that accuracy.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Does frustration start to sit in when you create opportunities
but can't execute the final part of it to finish
them off.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh, I suppose it just sharpens us sharpens our focus
during the weeks, you know, it's great to know that
we're creating the opportunities when we get excurate, and we
just got to make sure that we're putting the boys
in these situations during the week where they're under pressure,
but they've got to pick the right pass with the
final pass and the little things that we didn't quite
get right last night. So I wouldn't say frustration. I
think it's just the sharpens your focus around what's really
(02:31):
important is you get sort of eight or nine games
into our season.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
How do you create that pressure in a training situation?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh, look, there's we've got guys outside the twenty three.
You ain't getting picked who are outstanding during the week
and giving pictures or putting guys under pressure in their
training and have fifteen D fifteen. So we're getting them
during the week and it's going to make sure that
when that moment is there to pull trigger, we're pulling
the trigger.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
How far away do you think you are from executing
the rugby you want to for for longer periods for
close to eighty minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Look, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully this weekend. Look we you know,
we was working really hard. We're creating really good opportunities
and I think we're king the little parts and as
I say, we'll see some really good pictures in their
review this week around what it looks like when we
do finished and what are the little little bits of
detail when we don't. And there's some pretty clear pictures
(03:27):
around just just a little bits of skill execution that
are letting us down up vital times and picking the games.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Is that is that something that you can you can
coach though? Then these are New Zealand's best players, So
are you really just asking them to be you know
clearer in their in their mindset? How how do you
see you know, get to a point where they are
doing what you what you know they can Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Look, I think it was a pretty clear it's just
around putting with a different coach, we can coach around
what we're looking for and what are the little cues
to give a pass or not give a pass or
by then they were just going to make sure we're
getting lots of little skill hits and putting them under
the unstructured space where we've got to pick the right pass.
And saw three or four of those we didn't quite
(04:09):
catch the little pass. So little bits we will put
the boys unstructured spaces this week to to help us
execute that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
On Sudley Damien McKenzie last night, just a question about him.
There were a couple of errand passes that he threw,
but he also of course creates opportunities, which is I
guess has you know, has great superpower. If you ask him,
Jase to work on his accuracy, do you lose a
bit of his unpredictability.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's like he's de max for
aware of all the all the little parts of his.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Game where he wants to get better.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But mate, and what he's creating for us as outstanding,
and some of the fast lines that are helping him,
and the looks of will Jordan run those good lines
out of the back of them are creating good space.
But you know, look, at no time do you try
and put any any player into a little box. They've
got to be who they are and just keep working
away at the little bits that are keep making them better.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Second half, even though it was called back for a
forward pass eventually, how much did you enjoy the intent
the execution of that end to end move that saw
Cortez dot down.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We love that, love that like Obviously we're driving the
boys to trigger, as I said, on on the pictures
they see and they did that perfectly and loved the
intent the boys to I think there's four or five
black jerseys next teaming up on the inside of themat
when he started that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So that's that's what we want to play.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So it's great to see them. And as you say,
as we've talked around, we've just got to keep making
sure that that last pass or the last little bit
or the last breakdown where we're winning those races and
making sure.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
We finish it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Why do you think it's been so hard to score
points in the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, look, it's a little bit of you know, well,
as I say, we'll have a look at some pictures,
but there's there's some things around in field position and
around how we hold onto the ball in those periods.
So I think what you're what you're seeing in the
last twenty or thirty minutes there of the game last
night was was us losing the ball after two or
(06:08):
three phases from our lineut or our scrum. You know,
we get turned over a breakdown. So just a little
things around holding on to the ball again, missing and
then we making sure we get out of our own end. Well,
you know, we we did that really well in the
first in the first half, and then second half we
just got a little bit inaccurate around how we came
out of our own end. And so it's a combination
of having the ball and making sure in the right
(06:30):
parts of the field.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Are you getting the impact you want from the bench?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, Look, I think I think we're working really hard
on you. If you look at.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Impact off the pinch last night, I thought that TJ
was unbelievable when he came off the pinch last night
in the defense of space. He you know, he saved
us a few puns last night. So there's good.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Little bits of individual off the bench.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's it's good to see, but it's just around as
a collective making sure that we're you know, we have
the ball for long periods.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
What sort of emotions are you feeling up in the
box when you go down to thirteen?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, it was maybe just boys, just really but
on the mouth out of it there, and I was sure,
you know, we're really happy with what the boys did.
We went the under fitting, but you know that it's
an example of the are of just little things. We've
got to be smarter. You know. Caleb was awesome I thought,
and has in the game last night, But just little
things like that where you have a lets of concentration
(07:28):
and it puts massive pressure.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
On the team. So yeah, it's not ideal go fitting.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But you know, on the other other side of it
was great. How the boys got set out.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, character building, I think they call it. Jordi Barrett
went off at halftime with the knee injury. Is he
unlikely for Wellington? Jason?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a little media not too bad,
but you're very unlikely for next.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Week all right, and the wind shows up the bleeder
slow Cup. Does that give you the chance without asking
you to name the team, to tinker a bit and
give some players some minutes next weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, look, I think we'll have we have that com
when we get to Wellington. You know, there has been eyes.
You know, there's not much between anybody and selections, so
you know it might be an opportunity for one or
two guys to get an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
All right, we'll save travels, Jace. Look forward to seeing
you back here in the Capitol.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Thanks Jason Jason Holland there, assistant coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks at B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zed B barrif as a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
TT draws Clark Clark, what on two.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Saws?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
He found a way through to defenders and the All
Blacks have three.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It was all looking pretty rosy at that stage, wasn't it?
Twenty one nil after about fifteen minutes, but the All
Blacks eventually getting home thirty one points to twenty eight
in Sydney last night. Let's bring an All Blacks assistant
coach Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for your time. You've given
this one the overnight test. How do you assess last
night's game in general terms?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
First of all, yeah, obviously you really you're really happy
with what we did early in the game. You know,
we were pretty accurate at what we did and then
we're able to hold on the board and put the
Ausies under massive pressure, which we saw on the scoreboard.
But you know, again, a little bit around the second
half around not being able to hold onto the ball
(01:05):
and play the right parts field and in the second
half was you know, it was something we need to
figure out and we need to make sure that we
can hold onto the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So it's a bit of a spiral, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Or we don't have the ball and the opposition give
them our half and cards are coming from that. So yeah,
it's definitely that an area we'll focus on. But at
the end of the day, pretty nicely working out of
Australia with low cup.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Indeed, the fast art Jase twenty one nil after sixteen minutes.
What do you put it down to? What was so
good in the first fifteen minutes?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Just nice and simple and accurate.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, we had a couple of key, key plans
around there, how we're going to take them from ship
peace and it got some real good go forward and
that early on. And again, as I said, I keep
saying the power position, but we held onto the ball
really well and eventually broke them down and I think
it was twenty one and no when then, you know,
probably could easily have been, you know, doubled up by halftime.
If we continue with that accuracy.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Does frustration start to sit in when you create opportunities
but can't execute the final part of it to finish
them off.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh, I suppose it just sharpens us sharpens our focus
during the weeks, you know, it's great to know that
we're creating the opportunities when we get excurate, and we
just got to make sure that we're putting the boys
in these situations during the week where they're under pressure,
but they've got to pick the right pass with the
final pass and the little things that we didn't quite
get right last night. So I wouldn't say frustration. I
think it's just the sharpens your focus around what's really
(02:31):
important is you get sort of eight or nine games
into our season.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
How do you create that pressure in a training situation?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh, look, there's we've got guys outside the twenty three.
You ain't getting picked who are outstanding during the week
and giving pictures or putting guys under pressure in their
training and have fifteen D fifteen. So we're getting them
during the week and it's going to make sure that
when that moment is there to pull trigger, we're pulling
the trigger.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
How far away do you think you are from executing
the rugby you want to for for longer periods for
close to eighty minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Look, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully this weekend. Look we you know,
we was working really hard. We're creating really good opportunities
and I think we're king the little parts and as
I say, we'll see some really good pictures in their
review this week around what it looks like when we
do finished and what are the little little bits of
detail when we don't. And there's some pretty clear pictures
(03:27):
around just just a little bits of skill execution that
are letting us down up vital times and picking the games.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Is that is that something that you can you can
coach though? Then these are New Zealand's best players, So
are you really just asking them to be you know
clearer in their in their mindset? How how do you
see you know, get to a point where they are
doing what you what you know they can Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Look, I think it was a pretty clear it's just
around putting with a different coach, we can coach around
what we're looking for and what are the little cues
to give a pass or not give a pass or
by then they were just going to make sure we're
getting lots of little skill hits and putting them under
the unstructured space where we've got to pick the right pass.
And saw three or four of those we didn't quite
(04:09):
catch the little pass. So little bits we will put
the boys unstructured spaces this week to to help us
execute that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
On Sudley Damien McKenzie last night, just a question about him.
There were a couple of errand passes that he threw,
but he also of course creates opportunities, which is I
guess has you know, has great superpower. If you ask him,
Jase to work on his accuracy, do you lose a
bit of his unpredictability.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's like he's de max for
aware of all the all the little parts of his.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Game where he wants to get better.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But mate, and what he's creating for us as outstanding,
and some of the fast lines that are helping him,
and the looks of will Jordan run those good lines
out of the back of them are creating good space.
But you know, look, at no time do you try
and put any any player into a little box. They've
got to be who they are and just keep working
away at the little bits that are keep making them better.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Second half, even though it was called back for a
forward pass eventually, how much did you enjoy the intent
the execution of that end to end move that saw
Cortez dot down.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We love that, love that like Obviously we're driving the
boys to trigger, as I said, on on the pictures
they see and they did that perfectly and loved the
intent the boys to I think there's four or five
black jerseys next teaming up on the inside of themat
when he started that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So that's that's what we want to play.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So it's great to see them. And as you say,
as we've talked around, we've just got to keep making
sure that that last pass or the last little bit
or the last breakdown where we're winning those races and
making sure.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
We finish it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Why do you think it's been so hard to score
points in the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, look, it's a little bit of you know, well,
as I say, we'll have a look at some pictures,
but there's there's some things around in field position and
around how we hold onto the ball in those periods.
So I think what you're what you're seeing in the
last twenty or thirty minutes there of the game last
night was was us losing the ball after two or
(06:08):
three phases from our lineut or our scrum. You know,
we get turned over a breakdown. So just a little
things around holding on to the ball again, missing and
then we making sure we get out of our own end. Well,
you know, we we did that really well in the
first in the first half, and then second half we
just got a little bit inaccurate around how we came
out of our own end. And so it's a combination
of having the ball and making sure in the right
(06:30):
parts of the field.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Are you getting the impact you want from the bench?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, Look, I think I think we're working really hard
on you. If you look at.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Impact off the pinch last night, I thought that TJ
was unbelievable when he came off the pinch last night
in the defense of space. He you know, he saved
us a few puns last night. So there's good.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Little bits of individual off the bench.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's it's good to see, but it's just around as
a collective making sure that we're you know, we have
the ball for long periods.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
What sort of emotions are you feeling up in the
box when you go down to thirteen?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, it was maybe just boys, just really but
on the mouth out of it there, and I was sure,
you know, we're really happy with what the boys did.
We went the under fitting, but you know that it's
an example of the are of just little things. We've
got to be smarter. You know. Caleb was awesome I thought,
and has in the game last night, But just little
things like that where you have a lets of concentration
(07:28):
and it puts massive pressure.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
On the team. So yeah, it's not ideal go fitting.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But you know, on the other other side of it
was great. How the boys got set out.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, character building, I think they call it. Jordi Barrett
went off at halftime with the knee injury. Is he
unlikely for Wellington? Jason?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a little media not too bad,
but you're very unlikely for next.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Week all right, and the wind shows up the bleeder
slow Cup. Does that give you the chance without asking
you to name the team, to tinker a bit and
give some players some minutes next weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, look, I think we'll have we have that com
when we get to Wellington. You know, there has been eyes.
You know, there's not much between anybody and selections, so
you know it might be an opportunity for one or
two guys to get an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
All right, we'll save travels, Jace. Look forward to seeing
you back here in the Capitol.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Thanks Jason Jason Holland there, assistant coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks at B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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