October 5, 2024 • 12 mins
Recent reports from France have suggested that they won't be sending their best players to New Zealand when they tour next year. Piney put this to NZR CEO Mark Robinson in one of their regular catch ups
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zed B and every.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Couple of months we shared Jill in a chat with
New Zealand Rugby CEO Mark Robinson on various rugby issues
and there are a few around today's that day. Thanks
for your time, Mark, fresh chat this week, let's start
with this that France may send an under strength side
here next year for three test matches. In discussions with
your French counterparts, I know you've been chatting to them
(00:35):
over the last couple of days. Have you been able
to get any more clarity on this?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We get good after fine and hi to all the listeners.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, we were, as we said in a statement through
the week, we were a little bit surprised to find
this out earlier in the week, and so initially there's
a conversation with World Rugby around what, you know, what
what was happening with regards to this and checking in
on some of the some of the regulations, and then
(01:04):
as you said, head to chat with my French countercagn yesterday. Look,
they're going to have a think about where things are
at in relation to their position. But you know, I
think the key thing out of this is to recognize
that regardless of what happens through this process, is a
massive amount to look forward to for the fans for
next year in terms of the quality of position we're
(01:26):
going to face. France will still send, you know, incredibly
strong side. They've had great success in under twenty level
in recent years and clearly they're one.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Of the top teams in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So that combined with South Africa at home and Australia
at home means that, you know, we're going to have
an incredible series.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But yeah, we've got a little.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Bit more work to do, Piney to st understand the
options here and let France come back to us after
only probably a fifteen twenty minute chat yesterday morning with
their CEO.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think we would love to see Antoine de Pont here, right,
We'd all love to see, you know, a player of
his caliber and others in that French team come down.
Do World Rugby have any rules around making yourself available
at certain times for national tours?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Our Regulation nine, you know, sets out the windows where
we hope that all national unions treat with respect in
terms of making sure that teams are at full strength
when they tour different destinations.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So that's obviously one and a few.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Other things that we just need to check in and
to understand here before we have further discussions. But you know,
I think by and large we've all got to respect
that when we look at Ireland here in twenty twenty two,
we look at England here this year, both you know,
took fantastic approaches to touring with full strength sides. Certainly
the Nation's Cup, which have been working on. One of
(02:47):
the way, as you mentioned, sets up a competition in
July and November where you know, every every international team
will be encouraged to be sending their best teams to
compete for what's going to be a highly regarded and
highly contested competition. So so yeah, there are some things
in play around that, but like a lot of things
on the international game and then the different forums were working,
(03:09):
you know, there are processes and compromises to work through.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
All right, let's hope for some clarity and some positivity
around that when discussions continue. Sounds like you're also close
to signing off on a three test, eight match tour
of South Africa twenty twenty six. Can you give us
any update there?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, we are, we're making really good progress Piney. We
obviously had I was in Southacra, South Africa for about
ten days around the two test matches, and definitely there's
been some really good advancement with that. There's just a
few things to work for around you know, the commercial
arrangements and the final schedule, but i'd like to think,
(03:49):
you know, getting closer closer to that in the coming
weeks and you know, maybe up to six to eight
weeks sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
How about that affect the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, we're working on different models for that with Australia
and Argentina at the moment, and that's in time. That
will probably be more for standarda coming time, you know,
when when everything's finalized. But we certainly, you know, want
to make sure that our partners in the sansar JV
have great schedules and great competition and there's a whole
(04:19):
range of different things being talked about about there in
twenty six and twenty thirty. Obviously twenty twenty six are
in twenty thirty will obviously be you know, more change
than maybe some of those intervening years where some of
the previous models are being looked at as well as
some other concepts around touring, and you know, we just
need a little bit more time on that. In twenty
(04:39):
twenty six and twenty thirty, maybe there's a possibility to
include other nations, a lot of the likes of you know,
maybe Fiji in Japan, and there's also the possibilities of
us still playing regular.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Fictures, especially like the BUSTERESSWWS.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
So there's in our mind when you combine you know,
those tour concepts what we're looking to finalize with the
Rugby Championship as well as the two lines tours are
World Cup in this part of the world and in
the Club World Cup. But we're working on to twenty
twenty eight. There's still a massive amount of opportunity for
fans and a lot of excitement for people on this
(05:15):
part of the world to follow rugby.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Are you suggesting that Japan or Fiji might replace the
All Blacks in the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I'm just saying that in some of those weeks where
we are where in twenty six and twenty thirty, there
might be the possibilities for them to be involved in
fixed as that's to be works for I guess. I mean,
you've got to realize that in twenty twenty six of
the Nation's Cup begins, is a possibility that countries like
Fiji and Japan will be involved at international, top tier
(05:45):
international level already, so you know, a natural extinctionion of
that in years such as South Africa All Blacks tours,
they might be other opportunities as well.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Are we going to see an ANZAC Dave Bledislow Cup
test moving forward?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Look, we're you know, we remain open minded on it.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
We you know, we certainly had a lot of good
time in Australia when I was in Sydney for the
Blederslow One this year to talk through some of those things,
and we just need a little bit more time with that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
There's there's obviously some potential.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Impacts to think about as it relates to Super rugby,
and we just need to understand like a lot of
these things, the commercial model, the playwell fare considerations and
how it fits into the overall calendar. So we had
a really good discussion about it. There seems to be
certainly some fan interest and following you things like social
(06:41):
media and media and that sort of thing, so so
we just need a little bit more time on that tinting.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Is this in a way plicating Australia given the fact
he might be touring South Africa by the looks of it,
so you know, maybe less Rugby Championship content for example.
Is this the way of applicating the Australians by saying, okay,
we'll play a Bledisloe Cup Test on Anzagg Day as
a as a quid pro quoil or similar No, I.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Don't think so.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I mean we're we're working through an arrangement in the
current work with stands that we would continue to play
the two Bleederson matches that we do at present, you know,
going forward, the two matches we play currently around the
Rugby Championship. I think, you know, this is something new
and interesting that clearly is is resonated with fans. It's
(07:29):
a it's a really important date in both the New
Zealand and Australian calendars, and it's it's something that is
certainly worth consideration of its own merits.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What have you made of the All Blacks first nine
Test matches under Scott Robertson.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I look overall the direction of Trevor we're really encouraged by.
But you know, as a team, as a razor and
teams acknowledge. You know, no one around the all Blacks
are in the organization likes to lose, and there's clearly
some disappointment there. But overall, when you think of the
you know, the change you've had in management and and
(08:07):
and the playing group, and you combine that with an
extremely tough schedule when you look at you know where
we're where we've toured in terms of South Africa, England
at home, a top sort of five team, a team
in the world as well, and then the kind of
end of the year two we've got.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Overall, we're really encouraged by the unknowthing of.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Some really really great young talent. Definitely some you know,
I think everyone can see the progression in the in
the game of the team. So so overall we're pretty happy.
But always as there are in all of our teams
and Black Environce has always work to do and they're
always really demanding, so we'll just keep supporting them all
we can. But you know, absolutely we think it's been
a pretty slid start a.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Year out from their World Cup. How worried should we be?
About the black foods.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Oh look, I.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Think you know when we when we saw the game,
I was up twicking them for the game against England
and there were some really encouraging signs here as well.
I think everyone would acknowledge she's been some really positive
shifts in large you know, many a speaks of the
of the player of the team, and clearly the game
against Ireland was a disappointment again the senior players and
(09:14):
Allen clearly frustrated by that. But I think again the
overall trajectory, we're still you know, twelve months or so
to go again, emergence of a lot of good young talent,
a full Super Rugby O picking season in front of us,
and two more tough, tough tests in coming days. We
still think are preparing well. But yeah, there'll be you know,
(09:36):
when the team gets home, we will have to take
the time to review those you know, this campaign and
understand how we can help them to improve going into
next year.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
All right, a couple of water issues. Where are we
with the twenty minute red card and international rugby?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
We hope that will go back to council with World
Rugby in mid November for a vote. At that stage,
you know, I think there's been there's been some countries
and in one in particular in France obviously, who are
very clear of the of news. But I think overall
there seems to be an acknowledgment that it would be
a good thing for the game, and there's a couple
(10:12):
actually sort of small alterations being looked at to give
confidence to more nations around the world. That's the right
thing for the game. But again we just have to
work through that when we get up into the Northern
hemisphere in November.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
The process for the appointment of the new New Zealand
Rugby board, I see there were some updates on that yesterday,
with Dame Patsy already confirming she won't restand. We have
a process for the appointment of a new board, hopefully
before the end of the year. Is this something you
just keep an eye on you work in the operational space,
obviously this is a board thing. Do you have any
(10:47):
involvement in this at all?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
No? No, I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
There's a governance and stakeholder panel set up to help
support the appointment of a appointments.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And remuneration to many which sort of.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
A selects the the board and I'm not involved in
any of those discussions.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Have you read Johnny Sixton's book, No, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I there's a bit of noise about that through the week.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I'm sure he's sold a few more, few more versions
of it as a result of the you know, the
going between him and him and Rico. But oh, look,
you know, I think to some media early in the
week where I just said this is this has been
rightly or wrongly. It's been part of the game for
a for a long time, and I think, you know,
normally it's certainly left on the field. Clearly, you know
(11:40):
that's not the case this time around. But you know,
we we we don't really get involved in it too much.
It's certainly been great for the fans to sort of
speculate on and have your views on. And it's just
another one of the interesting stories going on around the
game at present.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
All right, and your Amber and Black should beloved. Amber
and Black's have a crack at winning the Loger woolf Tasman.
I think most people want it to stay in Tasman,
don't they.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
MA, Well, yeah, I've had a couple of people tipped
me away through the week about why the.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Barrett Boys up playing and I sort of said on
a little bit more removed it from that, go and
go and talk to raise us. So look, it's great,
isn't There's been some amazing scenes down in the in
the top of the South through the year, and you know,
we're delighted to see so much passion around the competitions
voice here. It's got very pivotal part in the game
in New Zealand and it's just great to see so
(12:24):
much good coverage around it in great provincial rivalries and
some of those histories being brought to brought to life
in the community. So it's all good stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Always appreciate your availability to me and too our audience. Mark,
enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Thanks, Bernie, take you you take care.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To Mark, Mark Robinson, then CEO of New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
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You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Couple of months we shared Jill in a chat with
New Zealand Rugby CEO Mark Robinson on various rugby issues
and there are a few around today's that day. Thanks
for your time, Mark, fresh chat this week, let's start
with this that France may send an under strength side
here next year for three test matches. In discussions with
your French counterparts, I know you've been chatting to them
(00:35):
over the last couple of days. Have you been able
to get any more clarity on this?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We get good after fine and hi to all the listeners.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, we were, as we said in a statement through
the week, we were a little bit surprised to find
this out earlier in the week, and so initially there's
a conversation with World Rugby around what, you know, what
what was happening with regards to this and checking in
on some of the some of the regulations, and then
(01:04):
as you said, head to chat with my French countercagn yesterday. Look,
they're going to have a think about where things are
at in relation to their position. But you know, I
think the key thing out of this is to recognize
that regardless of what happens through this process, is a
massive amount to look forward to for the fans for
next year in terms of the quality of position we're
(01:26):
going to face. France will still send, you know, incredibly
strong side. They've had great success in under twenty level
in recent years and clearly they're one.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Of the top teams in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So that combined with South Africa at home and Australia
at home means that, you know, we're going to have
an incredible series.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But yeah, we've got a little.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Bit more work to do, Piney to st understand the
options here and let France come back to us after
only probably a fifteen twenty minute chat yesterday morning with
their CEO.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think we would love to see Antoine de Pont here, right,
We'd all love to see, you know, a player of
his caliber and others in that French team come down.
Do World Rugby have any rules around making yourself available
at certain times for national tours?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Our Regulation nine, you know, sets out the windows where
we hope that all national unions treat with respect in
terms of making sure that teams are at full strength
when they tour different destinations.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So that's obviously one and a few.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Other things that we just need to check in and
to understand here before we have further discussions. But you know,
I think by and large we've all got to respect
that when we look at Ireland here in twenty twenty two,
we look at England here this year, both you know,
took fantastic approaches to touring with full strength sides. Certainly
the Nation's Cup, which have been working on. One of
(02:47):
the way, as you mentioned, sets up a competition in
July and November where you know, every every international team
will be encouraged to be sending their best teams to
compete for what's going to be a highly regarded and
highly contested competition. So so yeah, there are some things
in play around that, but like a lot of things
on the international game and then the different forums were working,
(03:09):
you know, there are processes and compromises to work through.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
All right, let's hope for some clarity and some positivity
around that when discussions continue. Sounds like you're also close
to signing off on a three test, eight match tour
of South Africa twenty twenty six. Can you give us
any update there?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, we are, we're making really good progress Piney. We
obviously had I was in Southacra, South Africa for about
ten days around the two test matches, and definitely there's
been some really good advancement with that. There's just a
few things to work for around you know, the commercial
arrangements and the final schedule, but i'd like to think,
(03:49):
you know, getting closer closer to that in the coming
weeks and you know, maybe up to six to eight
weeks sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
How about that affect the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, we're working on different models for that with Australia
and Argentina at the moment, and that's in time. That
will probably be more for standarda coming time, you know,
when when everything's finalized. But we certainly, you know, want
to make sure that our partners in the sansar JV
have great schedules and great competition and there's a whole
(04:19):
range of different things being talked about about there in
twenty six and twenty thirty. Obviously twenty twenty six are
in twenty thirty will obviously be you know, more change
than maybe some of those intervening years where some of
the previous models are being looked at as well as
some other concepts around touring, and you know, we just
need a little bit more time on that. In twenty
(04:39):
twenty six and twenty thirty, maybe there's a possibility to
include other nations, a lot of the likes of you know,
maybe Fiji in Japan, and there's also the possibilities of
us still playing regular.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Fictures, especially like the BUSTERESSWWS.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
So there's in our mind when you combine you know,
those tour concepts what we're looking to finalize with the
Rugby Championship as well as the two lines tours are
World Cup in this part of the world and in
the Club World Cup. But we're working on to twenty
twenty eight. There's still a massive amount of opportunity for
fans and a lot of excitement for people on this
(05:15):
part of the world to follow rugby.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Are you suggesting that Japan or Fiji might replace the
All Blacks in the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I'm just saying that in some of those weeks where
we are where in twenty six and twenty thirty, there
might be the possibilities for them to be involved in
fixed as that's to be works for I guess. I mean,
you've got to realize that in twenty twenty six of
the Nation's Cup begins, is a possibility that countries like
Fiji and Japan will be involved at international, top tier
(05:45):
international level already, so you know, a natural extinctionion of
that in years such as South Africa All Blacks tours,
they might be other opportunities as well.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Are we going to see an ANZAC Dave Bledislow Cup
test moving forward?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Look, we're you know, we remain open minded on it.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
We you know, we certainly had a lot of good
time in Australia when I was in Sydney for the
Blederslow One this year to talk through some of those things,
and we just need a little bit more time with that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
There's there's obviously some potential.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Impacts to think about as it relates to Super rugby,
and we just need to understand like a lot of
these things, the commercial model, the playwell fare considerations and
how it fits into the overall calendar. So we had
a really good discussion about it. There seems to be
certainly some fan interest and following you things like social
(06:41):
media and media and that sort of thing, so so
we just need a little bit more time on that tinting.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Is this in a way plicating Australia given the fact
he might be touring South Africa by the looks of it,
so you know, maybe less Rugby Championship content for example.
Is this the way of applicating the Australians by saying, okay,
we'll play a Bledisloe Cup Test on Anzagg Day as
a as a quid pro quoil or similar No, I.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Don't think so.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I mean we're we're working through an arrangement in the
current work with stands that we would continue to play
the two Bleederson matches that we do at present, you know,
going forward, the two matches we play currently around the
Rugby Championship. I think, you know, this is something new
and interesting that clearly is is resonated with fans. It's
(07:29):
a it's a really important date in both the New
Zealand and Australian calendars, and it's it's something that is
certainly worth consideration of its own merits.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What have you made of the All Blacks first nine
Test matches under Scott Robertson.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I look overall the direction of Trevor we're really encouraged by.
But you know, as a team, as a razor and
teams acknowledge. You know, no one around the all Blacks
are in the organization likes to lose, and there's clearly
some disappointment there. But overall, when you think of the
you know, the change you've had in management and and
(08:07):
and the playing group, and you combine that with an
extremely tough schedule when you look at you know where
we're where we've toured in terms of South Africa, England
at home, a top sort of five team, a team
in the world as well, and then the kind of
end of the year two we've got.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Overall, we're really encouraged by the unknowthing of.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Some really really great young talent. Definitely some you know,
I think everyone can see the progression in the in
the game of the team. So so overall we're pretty happy.
But always as there are in all of our teams
and Black Environce has always work to do and they're
always really demanding, so we'll just keep supporting them all
we can. But you know, absolutely we think it's been
a pretty slid start a.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Year out from their World Cup. How worried should we be?
About the black foods.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Oh look, I.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Think you know when we when we saw the game,
I was up twicking them for the game against England
and there were some really encouraging signs here as well.
I think everyone would acknowledge she's been some really positive
shifts in large you know, many a speaks of the
of the player of the team, and clearly the game
against Ireland was a disappointment again the senior players and
(09:14):
Allen clearly frustrated by that. But I think again the
overall trajectory, we're still you know, twelve months or so
to go again, emergence of a lot of good young talent,
a full Super Rugby O picking season in front of us,
and two more tough, tough tests in coming days. We
still think are preparing well. But yeah, there'll be you know,
(09:36):
when the team gets home, we will have to take
the time to review those you know, this campaign and
understand how we can help them to improve going into
next year.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
All right, a couple of water issues. Where are we
with the twenty minute red card and international rugby?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
We hope that will go back to council with World
Rugby in mid November for a vote. At that stage,
you know, I think there's been there's been some countries
and in one in particular in France obviously, who are
very clear of the of news. But I think overall
there seems to be an acknowledgment that it would be
a good thing for the game, and there's a couple
(10:12):
actually sort of small alterations being looked at to give
confidence to more nations around the world. That's the right
thing for the game. But again we just have to
work through that when we get up into the Northern
hemisphere in November.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
The process for the appointment of the new New Zealand
Rugby board, I see there were some updates on that yesterday,
with Dame Patsy already confirming she won't restand. We have
a process for the appointment of a new board, hopefully
before the end of the year. Is this something you
just keep an eye on you work in the operational space,
obviously this is a board thing. Do you have any
(10:47):
involvement in this at all?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
No? No, I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
There's a governance and stakeholder panel set up to help
support the appointment of a appointments.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And remuneration to many which sort of.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
A selects the the board and I'm not involved in
any of those discussions.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Have you read Johnny Sixton's book, No, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I there's a bit of noise about that through the week.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I'm sure he's sold a few more, few more versions
of it as a result of the you know, the
going between him and him and Rico. But oh, look,
you know, I think to some media early in the
week where I just said this is this has been
rightly or wrongly. It's been part of the game for
a for a long time, and I think, you know,
normally it's certainly left on the field. Clearly, you know
(11:40):
that's not the case this time around. But you know,
we we we don't really get involved in it too much.
It's certainly been great for the fans to sort of
speculate on and have your views on. And it's just
another one of the interesting stories going on around the
game at present.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
All right, and your Amber and Black should beloved. Amber
and Black's have a crack at winning the Loger woolf Tasman.
I think most people want it to stay in Tasman,
don't they.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
MA, Well, yeah, I've had a couple of people tipped
me away through the week about why the.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Barrett Boys up playing and I sort of said on
a little bit more removed it from that, go and
go and talk to raise us. So look, it's great,
isn't There's been some amazing scenes down in the in
the top of the South through the year, and you know,
we're delighted to see so much passion around the competitions
voice here. It's got very pivotal part in the game
in New Zealand and it's just great to see so
(12:24):
much good coverage around it in great provincial rivalries and
some of those histories being brought to brought to life
in the community. So it's all good stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Always appreciate your availability to me and too our audience. Mark,
enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Thanks, Bernie, take you you take care.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To Mark, Mark Robinson, then CEO of New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk zed B weekends from midday or follow
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