October 11, 2024 • 12 mins
Kiwi driver Matt Payne has claimed provisional pole after the qualifying race for the Bathurst 1000.
Motorsport Journalist Simon Chapman joined Piney to discuss everything that went down during the qualifiers, and who might find themselves on the top of the podium after the Big Race.
“Oh, it's absolute bedlam, really. Craziness at the top of the mountain.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalk ZEDB Keep You.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Supercars driver Matt Pain and co driver Garth Tender have
claimed provisional poll after qualifying at the Bath first one
thousand Cam Waterers.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Meantime is on a very good lap that might eclipse Phoenie.
It's a pressure moment. He's gone up to position number
two on a five to seven Waters. This done a
five to six so far. Here is the fastest Man
Water is Feenie and Brown out championship contenders a coboard
by one tenth of a second.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Man Pays bunched out.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Of five six as well. He's in there by six
one thousands of a second. Pain Waters and Feenie one
two trick. What a supercar show with sixty seconds remaining.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it was so close, but Matt Pain pipped Cam
Waters by point zero zero six. That's six thousands of
a second. With the top four drivers Paining, Water's Brock
Feenie and Brodie Casticki separated by just point ber zero
one nine to four seconds, so Matt Payin will look
to secure poll in tonight's Top ten shootout, which also
(01:13):
features fellow kiwi's Andre Himgartner and Richie Standaway. Let's bring
in Simon Chapman from Speedcafe dot Com. Simon, they were
quick and they were close, but there were a lot
of crashes, a bit of carnage and qualifying what went on.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It's absolute bedlam, really crazininess. At the top of the mountain.
We obviously saw David Reynolds have an enormous crash between
a rock skyline and the dippers, going those first into
the wall. And then we finished the session off with
David Reynolds having a similar sorry, well Davison having a
similar moment into the dipper, And yeah, the explanation seems
(01:49):
to be basically that everyone's just pushing so so hard
these hard tires. Obviously they've moved away from the soft
tire from last year. Maybe having a look at the
number on the dashboard and going jeez, it's not quite
record pace. And yeah, the summation from a lot of
drivers is that they're just pushing super super hard.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
From what you saw from Matt Pain, how do you
write his chances of going well in the top ten
shootout and then going well tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Well, the rule of thumb always is that the last
car out has the best opportunity. The conditions will be
the best for him to sit the fastest time. So
you'd expect Maddie to be right up there. But I
guess for guys like cam Waters and brock Feenie, they'll
probably feel like that I've got enough in the tank
to beat Matt. Obviously, there was that late red flag
(02:34):
at the very end of qualifying which deprived a few
guys of a chance to improve. Matty Pain seems to
have a lot of pace in the straits. He was
fastest down Comrade straight and up the mountain, whereas the
other guys seemed to have a lot of pace over
the top of the hill. So it'll be fascinating to
see what the Southternoon shootout is going to be like,
(02:55):
because brock Feenie, by all accounts, was on course to
be faster than Matt Pain.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The top four are so close together, aren't they? Does
position in the top ten shootout group position tomorrow? Does
that really matter?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Everyone? At the end of the day if they don't
qualify on pole, they always say, you know, we don't
need to worry too much about the where we're starting
you know, anything can happen over the course of one
hundred and sixty one laps. But look, the reality is
is if you can come away with pole position at
the end of today, you know that you are the
fastest car. You have the fastest car of anyone on
that group, so in theory you should be the favorite.
(03:32):
But as we know, a lot of things can happen
at the mountain and a lot of the time it
comes down to the reliability, spending as little amount of
time in pit lane as possible, and just getting absolutely
everything right. We've seen in the past that even if
you don't get everything right, you can still be a chance.
So you know, for those guys at the end of today,
I think if you're any one of those top ten
(03:53):
runners in the shootout, you're probably giving yourself a really
good sniff of a good result. But as we all know,
just keeping out of trouble is the first step.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, I want to talk more about the absolute keys
to winning the whole thing shortly, but there are two
key He's in the top ten, andre Heimgartner, Richie Standaway,
what's your assessment of where they're at?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, that quick, I think that probably you'd almost have
to say that kind of underdogs in a weird kind
of way. They've flown under the radar a little bit.
Richie Stanaway had one of his best results of the
season earlier this year at the season opener at this
very circuit Mount Panorama, so obviously coming in as as
last year's Batis one thousand winner, there's probably some expectations
for him, but he's had a really dreadful season on
(04:36):
the whole, so he's not really expected to be one
of the favorites. But then you see his teammates sitting
this incredible pace, so you can't rule him out. He'll
probably be applying a lot of the setup philosophies to
that car to try and go that little bit faster,
and he's probably another guy who would have said he
could go fast if not for that red flag at
the end of qualifying on Friday afternoon. And then obviously
(04:59):
andre Heimgartner with his co driver Dickland Fraser the sort
of st bit of a smoky. I think that nearly
the quickest car out of the brad Zones racing stable,
and you know on their day they can be competitive.
I think for Decklan he just needs to stay out
of trouble and let Andre do a lot of the
heavy lifting really, So you know, I would say for
(05:21):
Richie and Andre, you know, historically they've gone very well
at Batist, Richie especially the Batist one thousand winners, so
they would be expecting to be factoring in the fight
for a podium.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And the others in the top ten that we haven't mentioned,
Will Brown, Chaz Moster, Jack Lebroc and on deeper Squally
Huloom's largest of that quartet.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well, a lot of people have been talking about Chaz Moster.
You know, he's he's a winner of this race. He
always turns up in his quick hair. They've again kind
of flown under the radar a little bit, maybe don't
have the outright pace amongst the Fords compared to you know,
Techford Racing and Grove Racing, but you know they'll be
(06:03):
there for them, especially I think after Lee Holdsworth, I guess,
not the best run, it's the sand down five hundred.
He'll be wanting a little bit of redemption. I think,
probably just trying to stay out of trouble. And then
I guess for Will Brown, you know he's the championship leader,
and for him It's a bit of a tricky one
because he'll want to come out the other side of
(06:23):
this with a pretty hefty points lee, but he'll also
want to win, you know, So it's a bit of
a double sword for him because he wants to sort
of probably consolidate a little bit. But when you get here,
the reality is all you want to do is when
you don't really care too much about the championship, and
you know, the Triple A cars traditionally have been amongst
the very fastest, so he was probably maybe not as
(06:47):
quick as his teammate Brock Feenie over the first two days,
maybe just starting to find their feet. Obviously Scott Pie
had that crash at the end of Thursday, So yeah,
it'll be tricky to see where where will Brown sort
of lines like relative to Brock, because I think Brock's
got the edge overm at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
All right, Well, you mentioned a full simon that eliminating
mistakes or simply not making them as a big part
of success Atmount Panorama. Apart from that and driving fast, obviously,
what are the keys to winning Bath First?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Well, you have to minimize the amount of time that
you spend in the pit, Lane's that's really the key here.
The amount of time that you can basically stay on
the racetrack is key. It probably sounds a little bit silly,
to be honest, but really you want to do as
few amount of pit stops as possible. And one of
the big things that we're talking out about at the
track is this full course yellow and the timing of it.
(07:42):
Now at Sanddown Supercars basically said, if there's a full
course yellow, which basically reduces everyone to eighty kilometers an
hour with your pit lane speed limitter, we're going to
give you two laps to cycle around and complete your
pit stops, and that's going to make everything. See it
that rule doesn't exist here. Basically, race control can say,
all right, we're going to throw the yellow flag. Everyone
(08:03):
needs to slow down to eighty kilometers an hour and
what that basically enables you to do is come into
the pit lane and not lose as much time as
what you would under greenplay conditions, because whilst you're trunneling
through the pit lane at eighty kilometers an hour, everyone
else is also on track going the same speed as you,
So you basically want to get in as soon as
you possibly can to execute a pit stop, whether that's
(08:24):
to change tires, change fuel, change your driver, and then
get back out on the racetrack. Now, because of that
rule change, it also means that they can just withdraw
the yellow at any given time. So then you could
either get stuck out on track and miss that opportunity
to pit and maybe need to put under green flay
conditions and lose a lot of time, or you could
(08:44):
come in under yellow and not lose as much time.
So that's going to be I think the key to
this race is how you sort of plan your pit
stops and maybe time them if there are incidents on track, And.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Just in a wider sense, we heard news during the
week the Superhaars calendar is going to be extended by
ten races to thirty four across thirteen rounds next year
and be split into phases eight rams of sprints and
endurance races and then an elimination finals series. What's your
take on.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
This, Yeah, it's it's interesting. I think for supercars, you know,
they've probably stagnated a little bit for the last maybe
five six seven years. Supercaus are looking at ways to innovate,
and I think you've got to commend them for trying
something different. I think it's a very polarizing decision. It's
(09:35):
definitely divided the fans, you know, the diet and the
wolves sort of hold on versus four fans of old.
But you know, at the end of the day, supercars
has probably lost a little bit of its market share
relative to some of the ball sports. You know, NRAL
and AFL are really dominant at the moment, and Supercars
needs to sort of reinvigorate itself. And at the time
(09:59):
when you've got broadcasts negotiations going on next year, maybe
a bit of change is a good thing. We've got
Towiter coming into twenty six at the same time, so
it'll be a fascinating sort of period. I think, you know,
you can't pass judgment until we've actually gone through next year,
I think, and if it works, awesome, If it doesn't work,
(10:19):
maybe they'll reassess it and they might change things up
the year after that. I think everyone kind of accepts that,
you know, we've got to try something different. This is
what they want to do. Make it maybe a little
bit you know, sort of maybe football esque in a way,
because at the end of the day, no one wants
to go to the second or third to last round
of the championship already knowing who's who's won the whole thing.
And yes, you know we we always say that the
(10:43):
drivers who perform over the course of a season should
be rewarded, but at the same time we also want
to see a fantastic flight and this will push drivers
to the very better end of the championship.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Right, just to bring it back to Bathist, you know,
a reset. As you've just outlined, there is being undertaken.
But what about Bathist itself, Simon, does that still have
its lustersolutely?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You know, every time you come back here, it's amazing
to see how many fans turn out. You know, it's
unlike any other event on the calendar. It's like the
AFL Grand Final, it's like the Melbourne Cup. It's like
all of those amazing events we've got over the side
of the ditch. And you know, it attracts an all
star cast as well in terms of the drivers, in
terms of just people coming out to look. You know,
(11:28):
Greg Murphy's here, he's having a race around in the
heritage touring cars and yeah, there's nothing quite like it.
You know, we actually came here earlier this year for
a sprint round and it was very flat. It was
just there was no one here and it was like,
what are we doing here? But now that we're back
and it's the bat this one thousand and it's just
got a different aura around it. If you've not experienced
(11:50):
it before, you've got to get here. You've got to
experience a full weekend because the atmosphere is just electric,
especially this afternoon when we're going to have that top
ten shootout and those guys are going to have the
track all to themselves and you'll be able to hear
the crowd roaring over top of those d V eights.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Amazing stuff. Thanks for painting the picture of us, Simon
really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No worries, Thank you mate.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That is Simon Chapman from Speedcafe dot com. So top
ten shootout just after seven o'clock tonight, New Zealand time.
That'll confirm the positions on the grid for tomorrow and
one thirty tomorrow afternoon. I think stand to be corrected,
but I think it's one thirty tomorrow afternoon, New Zealand time.
The race gets underway. We'll keep you up to date
on the show tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk st B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalk ZEDB Keep You.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Supercars driver Matt Pain and co driver Garth Tender have
claimed provisional poll after qualifying at the Bath first one
thousand Cam Waterers.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Meantime is on a very good lap that might eclipse Phoenie.
It's a pressure moment. He's gone up to position number
two on a five to seven Waters. This done a
five to six so far. Here is the fastest Man
Water is Feenie and Brown out championship contenders a coboard
by one tenth of a second.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Man Pays bunched out.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Of five six as well. He's in there by six
one thousands of a second. Pain Waters and Feenie one
two trick. What a supercar show with sixty seconds remaining.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it was so close, but Matt Pain pipped Cam
Waters by point zero zero six. That's six thousands of
a second. With the top four drivers Paining, Water's Brock
Feenie and Brodie Casticki separated by just point ber zero
one nine to four seconds, so Matt Payin will look
to secure poll in tonight's Top ten shootout, which also
(01:13):
features fellow kiwi's Andre Himgartner and Richie Standaway. Let's bring
in Simon Chapman from Speedcafe dot Com. Simon, they were
quick and they were close, but there were a lot
of crashes, a bit of carnage and qualifying what went on.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It's absolute bedlam, really crazininess. At the top of the mountain.
We obviously saw David Reynolds have an enormous crash between
a rock skyline and the dippers, going those first into
the wall. And then we finished the session off with
David Reynolds having a similar sorry, well Davison having a
similar moment into the dipper, And yeah, the explanation seems
(01:49):
to be basically that everyone's just pushing so so hard
these hard tires. Obviously they've moved away from the soft
tire from last year. Maybe having a look at the
number on the dashboard and going jeez, it's not quite
record pace. And yeah, the summation from a lot of
drivers is that they're just pushing super super hard.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
From what you saw from Matt Pain, how do you
write his chances of going well in the top ten
shootout and then going well tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Well, the rule of thumb always is that the last
car out has the best opportunity. The conditions will be
the best for him to sit the fastest time. So
you'd expect Maddie to be right up there. But I
guess for guys like cam Waters and brock Feenie, they'll
probably feel like that I've got enough in the tank
to beat Matt. Obviously, there was that late red flag
(02:34):
at the very end of qualifying which deprived a few
guys of a chance to improve. Matty Pain seems to
have a lot of pace in the straits. He was
fastest down Comrade straight and up the mountain, whereas the
other guys seemed to have a lot of pace over
the top of the hill. So it'll be fascinating to
see what the Southternoon shootout is going to be like,
(02:55):
because brock Feenie, by all accounts, was on course to
be faster than Matt Pain.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The top four are so close together, aren't they? Does
position in the top ten shootout group position tomorrow? Does
that really matter?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Everyone? At the end of the day if they don't
qualify on pole, they always say, you know, we don't
need to worry too much about the where we're starting
you know, anything can happen over the course of one
hundred and sixty one laps. But look, the reality is
is if you can come away with pole position at
the end of today, you know that you are the
fastest car. You have the fastest car of anyone on
that group, so in theory you should be the favorite.
(03:32):
But as we know, a lot of things can happen
at the mountain and a lot of the time it
comes down to the reliability, spending as little amount of
time in pit lane as possible, and just getting absolutely
everything right. We've seen in the past that even if
you don't get everything right, you can still be a chance.
So you know, for those guys at the end of today,
I think if you're any one of those top ten
(03:53):
runners in the shootout, you're probably giving yourself a really
good sniff of a good result. But as we all know,
just keeping out of trouble is the first step.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, I want to talk more about the absolute keys
to winning the whole thing shortly, but there are two
key He's in the top ten, andre Heimgartner, Richie Standaway,
what's your assessment of where they're at?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, that quick, I think that probably you'd almost have
to say that kind of underdogs in a weird kind
of way. They've flown under the radar a little bit.
Richie Stanaway had one of his best results of the
season earlier this year at the season opener at this
very circuit Mount Panorama, so obviously coming in as as
last year's Batis one thousand winner, there's probably some expectations
for him, but he's had a really dreadful season on
(04:36):
the whole, so he's not really expected to be one
of the favorites. But then you see his teammates sitting
this incredible pace, so you can't rule him out. He'll
probably be applying a lot of the setup philosophies to
that car to try and go that little bit faster,
and he's probably another guy who would have said he
could go fast if not for that red flag at
the end of qualifying on Friday afternoon. And then obviously
(04:59):
andre Heimgartner with his co driver Dickland Fraser the sort
of st bit of a smoky. I think that nearly
the quickest car out of the brad Zones racing stable,
and you know on their day they can be competitive.
I think for Decklan he just needs to stay out
of trouble and let Andre do a lot of the
heavy lifting really, So you know, I would say for
(05:21):
Richie and Andre, you know, historically they've gone very well
at Batist, Richie especially the Batist one thousand winners, so
they would be expecting to be factoring in the fight
for a podium.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And the others in the top ten that we haven't mentioned,
Will Brown, Chaz Moster, Jack Lebroc and on deeper Squally
Huloom's largest of that quartet.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well, a lot of people have been talking about Chaz Moster.
You know, he's he's a winner of this race. He
always turns up in his quick hair. They've again kind
of flown under the radar a little bit, maybe don't
have the outright pace amongst the Fords compared to you know,
Techford Racing and Grove Racing, but you know they'll be
(06:03):
there for them, especially I think after Lee Holdsworth, I guess,
not the best run, it's the sand down five hundred.
He'll be wanting a little bit of redemption. I think,
probably just trying to stay out of trouble. And then
I guess for Will Brown, you know he's the championship leader,
and for him It's a bit of a tricky one
because he'll want to come out the other side of
(06:23):
this with a pretty hefty points lee, but he'll also
want to win, you know, So it's a bit of
a double sword for him because he wants to sort
of probably consolidate a little bit. But when you get here,
the reality is all you want to do is when
you don't really care too much about the championship, and
you know, the Triple A cars traditionally have been amongst
the very fastest, so he was probably maybe not as
(06:47):
quick as his teammate Brock Feenie over the first two days,
maybe just starting to find their feet. Obviously Scott Pie
had that crash at the end of Thursday, So yeah,
it'll be tricky to see where where will Brown sort
of lines like relative to Brock, because I think Brock's
got the edge overm at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
All right, Well, you mentioned a full simon that eliminating
mistakes or simply not making them as a big part
of success Atmount Panorama. Apart from that and driving fast, obviously,
what are the keys to winning Bath First?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Well, you have to minimize the amount of time that
you spend in the pit, Lane's that's really the key here.
The amount of time that you can basically stay on
the racetrack is key. It probably sounds a little bit silly,
to be honest, but really you want to do as
few amount of pit stops as possible. And one of
the big things that we're talking out about at the
track is this full course yellow and the timing of it.
(07:42):
Now at Sanddown Supercars basically said, if there's a full
course yellow, which basically reduces everyone to eighty kilometers an
hour with your pit lane speed limitter, we're going to
give you two laps to cycle around and complete your
pit stops, and that's going to make everything. See it
that rule doesn't exist here. Basically, race control can say,
all right, we're going to throw the yellow flag. Everyone
(08:03):
needs to slow down to eighty kilometers an hour and
what that basically enables you to do is come into
the pit lane and not lose as much time as
what you would under greenplay conditions, because whilst you're trunneling
through the pit lane at eighty kilometers an hour, everyone
else is also on track going the same speed as you,
So you basically want to get in as soon as
you possibly can to execute a pit stop, whether that's
(08:24):
to change tires, change fuel, change your driver, and then
get back out on the racetrack. Now, because of that
rule change, it also means that they can just withdraw
the yellow at any given time. So then you could
either get stuck out on track and miss that opportunity
to pit and maybe need to put under green flay
conditions and lose a lot of time, or you could
(08:44):
come in under yellow and not lose as much time.
So that's going to be I think the key to
this race is how you sort of plan your pit
stops and maybe time them if there are incidents on track, And.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Just in a wider sense, we heard news during the
week the Superhaars calendar is going to be extended by
ten races to thirty four across thirteen rounds next year
and be split into phases eight rams of sprints and
endurance races and then an elimination finals series. What's your
take on.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
This, Yeah, it's it's interesting. I think for supercars, you know,
they've probably stagnated a little bit for the last maybe
five six seven years. Supercaus are looking at ways to innovate,
and I think you've got to commend them for trying
something different. I think it's a very polarizing decision. It's
(09:35):
definitely divided the fans, you know, the diet and the
wolves sort of hold on versus four fans of old.
But you know, at the end of the day, supercars
has probably lost a little bit of its market share
relative to some of the ball sports. You know, NRAL
and AFL are really dominant at the moment, and Supercars
needs to sort of reinvigorate itself. And at the time
(09:59):
when you've got broadcasts negotiations going on next year, maybe
a bit of change is a good thing. We've got
Towiter coming into twenty six at the same time, so
it'll be a fascinating sort of period. I think, you know,
you can't pass judgment until we've actually gone through next year,
I think, and if it works, awesome, If it doesn't work,
(10:19):
maybe they'll reassess it and they might change things up
the year after that. I think everyone kind of accepts that,
you know, we've got to try something different. This is
what they want to do. Make it maybe a little
bit you know, sort of maybe football esque in a way,
because at the end of the day, no one wants
to go to the second or third to last round
of the championship already knowing who's who's won the whole thing.
And yes, you know we we always say that the
(10:43):
drivers who perform over the course of a season should
be rewarded, but at the same time we also want
to see a fantastic flight and this will push drivers
to the very better end of the championship.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Right, just to bring it back to Bathist, you know,
a reset. As you've just outlined, there is being undertaken.
But what about Bathist itself, Simon, does that still have
its lustersolutely?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You know, every time you come back here, it's amazing
to see how many fans turn out. You know, it's
unlike any other event on the calendar. It's like the
AFL Grand Final, it's like the Melbourne Cup. It's like
all of those amazing events we've got over the side
of the ditch. And you know, it attracts an all
star cast as well in terms of the drivers, in
terms of just people coming out to look. You know,
(11:28):
Greg Murphy's here, he's having a race around in the
heritage touring cars and yeah, there's nothing quite like it.
You know, we actually came here earlier this year for
a sprint round and it was very flat. It was
just there was no one here and it was like,
what are we doing here? But now that we're back
and it's the bat this one thousand and it's just
got a different aura around it. If you've not experienced
(11:50):
it before, you've got to get here. You've got to
experience a full weekend because the atmosphere is just electric,
especially this afternoon when we're going to have that top
ten shootout and those guys are going to have the
track all to themselves and you'll be able to hear
the crowd roaring over top of those d V eights.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Amazing stuff. Thanks for painting the picture of us, Simon
really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No worries, Thank you mate.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That is Simon Chapman from Speedcafe dot com. So top
ten shootout just after seven o'clock tonight, New Zealand time.
That'll confirm the positions on the grid for tomorrow and
one thirty tomorrow afternoon. I think stand to be corrected,
but I think it's one thirty tomorrow afternoon, New Zealand time.
The race gets underway. We'll keep you up to date
on the show tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk st B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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