Full Show Podcast: 26 October 2024

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Pooney New Zealand one hundred and ninety eight for five
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drill down into the cricket after two o'clock with Scotti Styris.
Tony Brown leads us off today. Former All Black now
Springboks assistant coach, widely credited with South Africa's improved attack

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One of New Zealand's top rugby coaches is currently behind
enemy lines. Former Highlanders, Sun Wolves and Japanese assistant coach
Tony Brown is now part of South Africa's coaching cohort
and in the Rugby Championship this year help mastermind a
thirty one to twenty seven win at Ellis Park and
an eighteen twelve victory in Cape Town, so two Test

(04:31):
match wins for South Africa over the All Blacks this year.
Tony Brown's back home for a bit before heading north
to rejoin the spring Box for their end of year tour,
which features test matches against Scotland, England and Wales. He
joins us now Tony thanks for taking the time for
a chat on weekend Sport. Let's take it back. How
did the contact and the role with South Africa all

(04:53):
come about? Firstly, year, pleasure to be here.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
Yeah, Resci just gave me a ring during Cup because
he obviously had a couple of coaches leaving just to
gauge what I was doing the following year, and I
was obviously leaving Japan and needed a job, and lucky
enough picked up the South African job.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, it's a plumb job. Did it come out of
the blue at all? Or was it something that you targeted?
It feels like a massive job, So was it a
bit out of the blue or not?

Speaker 7 (05:31):
Yeah, definitely blue.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
I hadn't heard from USI since I played for him
in two thousand and eight, so to get the phone
call from him was a little bit bizarre, but it
got me thinking around what I wanted to do next,
and staying an international rugby was definitely my main goal
and I could potentially have gone back to Japan and

(05:55):
there was another team that was interested as well, so
lucky enough everything out and got the opportunity to coach.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So what is your specific brief within the team.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
I'm the I do the attack for the for the side,
and just an assistant coach. Was basically and obviously working
with with the backs predominantly when we do our unit stuff.
So yeah, something I enjoyed doing really is the attacks
side of the game.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I guess when we think about South African teams historically,
we don't think about them as particularly expensive teams. Very
four dominated rugby and it's been successful for them for
a long time. Did you feel that coming in Tony,
that you know that that there might be some you know,
some stereotypes to break or not.

Speaker 8 (06:49):
No.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
I definitely knew they had a real strong identity around
the physicality, around the set piece and around the kicking
game and obviously defensively the best team in the world,
So I knew that was their identity. And and you know,
going in as a new coach, you don't want to

(07:09):
tell the world champions what they need to do different.
You sort of just got to work with what they've
got and try and make little changes along the way.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
How did you navigate that coming into a team that
has been so successful as you say World Champions. How
did you sort of navigate your way through that being
a newcomer into such a successful environment.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
Yeah, well, I think my job is to create around
the attack, the attack side of the game for the
South African team, show them the opportunities that they're potentially missing,
show them where they can be better and when they've
got ball in hands, show the forward to what they
need to do differently to have a big impact on attack.

(07:50):
And then obviously work with the backs that have got
a lot of X factor to make sure that they
play within the structure and with the other fourteen players
on the park.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
How open were they all as a playing group to
the ideas that you brought.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
I think that the first thing was that Ressi addressed
because we've got two new coaches attack and defense, and
Ressie addressed that at the first meeting, saying that we've
got to look to develop our game, we've got to
look to do things a little bit differently and not
to be closed minded around what we were going to deliver.
So it's a it's a great intro for me getting

(08:31):
the head coach to a back what I was going
to say, and then from there it's just me showing
the team where we could be better, training different scenarios
around what our attacks should look like, and then and
keep showing them how they how we can do it
a little bit better, and how we can improve as
a team and how we can improve as individuals.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Once they started implementing the ideas that you brought to
the table, Tony and they started to work, did that
help in the in the relationship that you know that
what you were suggesting was actually paying dividends for them.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
On under winning matches definitely makes it easier to I guess,
stick to what you were, what you're doing, and stick
to what you're preaching around what we can do better
on attack. You know, if we had lost four or
five test matches this year, then you know things would
have been different. But you know, from my point of view,

(09:28):
what I what I tried to do and was just
work with the physical side of the game that they're
really good at and just show them a little ways
where we can being direct and then trying to get
us to use our skills a little bit more, trying
to get us to position a little bit quick and

(09:48):
try it. Mostly it was around trying to create a
mindset that we can be the best team in the
world on attack.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I look at the back line that you're working with,
Jesse Kleil, Chesslyn Colby, Willie LaRue, Curtly Orenza, f Lally, Facy,
Damian de l Ende. I mean, what a what a
back line arguably the best in the world. How do
you assess them as a as a back line and
comparing comparing them to the other ones you've had the
chance to work with.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, I think you know individually, individually the some of
the best players in the world for sure. So we
just needed to make sure that we could create space
for them to you know, attack, especially guys like Cheeslin
and even a guy like Fussy from from Fallback who's
got some electric speed and currently on the other wing.

(10:36):
Like those those three guys, if they get a bit
of a bit of time and bit of space, then
they can beat players and they can score tries. So
my job was just to show everyone how we could
do that and and then just keep driving it during
the trainings and keep creating the mindset that to be
able to create space, you've got to you got to

(10:57):
attack space. So there's just little things like that that
we just added to the physical side of the Springbok game.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You mean before as well. I guess we assume you
know when you're when you're an attack coach, you immediately think, okay,
you're working mainly with the backs, but you mentioned there
that you did quite a bit with the forwards as well.

Speaker 9 (11:15):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 6 (11:18):
If the attack's going to work, the forwards are the
most important, and I think probably in the past the
spring Box have just had a forward pack that was
really dominant and then they would would do their thing
and you just give it to the backs and hope
that they did their things. So for me, it was
around getting your un combining, getting the type forwards, creating

(11:39):
space for the for the inside backs and there, and
then you're getting your loose forwards who are operating out
in the width. So you're a lot lot more dangerous
team if if everyone's on the same page and they're
creating space for each other.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Can you articulate for us see your Kalis's influence in
the South African site.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Well, obviously he's won two Cups, so it's hard. I've
only been in there for six months, so it's a
little bit hard for me, But just my initial impression
of Seas, he's, you know, one hundred percent committed to
South Africa. He wants the rugby team to represent the
country and definitely represent transformation within South Africa and you know,

(12:26):
the spring Box and doing an amazing job at that
and he's probably the leader of all the side of
Springbok rugby and you know, and he's a selfless guy.
You know, he doesn't he doesn't always play. He hardly
ever plays eighty minutes. Sometimes he's only playing forty. So
he just does whatever's required from him for the team

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and he sacrifices a lot for the spring Box.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
How did you find it coaching against the All Blacks?

Speaker 6 (12:56):
It was definitely different, but it's something there, especially the
Johannesburg Test match, the All Backs versus South Africa. It
was just amazing to be a part of that Test match,
even though I was coaching against the All Blacks. I

(13:17):
just the reason why I took the South Africa's job
was to be coaching on the biggest stage and the
biggest test matches and for me, that was probably the
biggest one that I've coached in so far. So pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, it's it's just rugby.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
You know, one day maybe I'll be coaching the All Blacks,
but at the moment I'm just fully committed to South Africa.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You're still hard at that ambition.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Always.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
You know, I played for the All Blacks obviously from
New Zealand, played for New Zealand Maldi, So you know,
one day definitely want to be able to coach the
All Blacks at some stage.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
How do you assess where they are after nine tests
of this year under their new coach Scott Robertson.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
Yeah, tough for me too to give you a proper opinion.
You know, I think the starting to find their way
as a coaching team. The players are potentially look starting
to believe in the coaches a little bit more. And
if if they can get those two things working really well,

(14:25):
then you'll see the players being able to I believe
and and they'll get better better.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Quip and uh. We see the public face of Rassi
Erasmus a lot, we might cow you know, we we
obviously enjoy seeing them in media situations and that sort
of thing. What does he like to to work alongside?

Speaker 6 (14:46):
He's very good, one hundred percent honest. You know, he's
he's got the South African players one hundred percent committed
to South African rugby and committed to the country. And
you know, especially in professional sport nowadays, it can be
easy to be be selfish in certain times, and but

(15:10):
he makes sure that everyone is fully committed and everyone
understands that if you're not playing, you're still committed to
helping the other players prepare. And you know, he just
wants to plays to be one hundred percent honest with him,
and he's created this environment where I believe the South
African players would literally lie down and die for the team.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Must be an incredible environment to be a part of.
Is it a Is it a deal through to the
next World Cup, Tony or what's the what's the duration
of the deal for you?

Speaker 10 (15:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:41):
For me, it's through to the World Cup. You know
that was something that Russ he was pretty strong on
around committing through to the World Cup because all of
his plannings around getting ready for that.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, it's been a great pleasure to catch up with you. Look,
we can only congratulate you on being part of the
South African side that that has looked tremendous and a
lot of chat about how much more expansive. They are
on attack and it's great to get your insight into it. Tony.
Thanks for taking the time for a chat this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
Thank you pleasure anytime.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Thanks Tony. Tony Brown there Attack coach, Assistant Coach of
South Africa, twelve twenty two. You've heard from Tony Brown.
Can to get your views on this on our top
coaches which Tony Brown is and how we retain them? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten. Are you're going to throw
the lines open on this?

Speaker 9 (16:34):
Look?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
This isn't new. Obviously we have a lot of great
rugby coaches in New Zealand and they can't all coach
the All Blacks, so some of them are going to
end up at other places. But for Tony Brown to
end up with the world champion spring box and to
make such a huge difference to them, actually improve them,

(16:57):
is really really interesting to me. Remember back in twenty
nineteen when All Blacks coach at the time, so Steve Hanson.
Steve Hanson then i think, confirmed that he'd be vacating
his role after the Rugby World Cup in twenty nineteen.
There were three front runners for the role. Scott Robertson
Ian Foster, Jamie Joseph, and you remember at the time

(17:17):
New Zealand Rugby wanted convincing that each candidate had their
coaching staff sought it as well. Remember Brent Himpey, he
was the president or chair chair I think of New
Zealand Rugby at the time, said bring us your team,
tell us who you've got, and both Scott Robertson and
Jamie Joseph wanted Tony Brown in their group, and Tony

(17:40):
Brown went with Jamie Joseph, who then opted to pull
out and stay in charge of Japan. Tony Brown actually
was still offered a role under Ian Foster, but he
turned it down because he said it didn't feel right.
He went back to coaching Japan with Jamie Joseph, and
he was again in the conversation to coach the All
Blacks after Ian Foster left, but Razer got the job.

(18:03):
Of course, so Tony Brown was kind of in Limba.
But I don't know if Raiser approached him again, but
even if he did, he went with his current coaching group,
including le On McDonald who has left now. Of course,
a huge part of me believes Tony Brown should be
sitting in the All Blacks coaching box not plotting our downfall?

(18:25):
But are we just in a situation where this is
a fact of professional sport? As I said before, we've
got a lot of good coaches, heaps of them, and
they can't all coach the All Blacks. But Tony Brown
even admitting in there or even saying, and I've heard
him say that a few times and other interviews and
read pieces on him as well, he is very aspirational
when it comes to the All Blacks. At some stage

(18:45):
you'd have to think it. He's still quite a young guy.
He will be part of an all Blacks coaching group.
It just I don't know. I don't know if it rankles.
But how do you feel when you see how you
look at the South African coaching box and there's Tony
Brown plotting our downfall? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
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Tony Brown's influence on South Africa has been significant. Hello,
et En Jason, how are you good? Thank you? Are

(19:42):
you South African?

Speaker 10 (19:44):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (19:44):
Mate, I am very proudly.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well you'll be you'll be very pleased to have Tony
Brown on your side.

Speaker 10 (19:52):
Absolutely. Listen.

Speaker 11 (19:53):
I've been living here in zero for twenty years, and
let's give him a go. He's gonna be coaching Africa
and to all the twenty twenty seven walk up in Australia, yep,
And so I thinka will win it again. And he
was saying that he wants to coach Doll Blacks and

(20:15):
he's only getting stronger, so he's performing there and when
hopefully you'll get the chance to coach Stoll Blacks and
you'll make the team stronger.

Speaker 10 (20:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh look, I mean, without wanting to crystal ballgaze too much,
let's just say for argument Sagetti and you're right, And
it's one possible scenario that South Africa do win the
World Cup in twenty twenty seven, making it what three
in a row? I mean, I think New Zealand Rugby
would I mean apart from apart from it happened in
nineteen as well. Know that's so Steve Hanson left, they

(20:49):
put Foster and But normally when you lose the World
Cup as an All Blacks coach, you don't get the
job again, Sir Graham Henry did of course and O
seven But are you but would it be your gut
feel that if South Africa were to win it again
in twenty twenty seven, and Tony Brown has a big
part of playing that that he would get a knock
on his door from New Zealand Rugby. Absolutely, who do

(21:14):
you support when the who do you support? When the
spring box by the All Blacks So Africa? Yeah, but
you mean twenty years we haven't we haven't.

Speaker 11 (21:23):
Yet again made the best one win. I always sit
on the sideline on that one. But my heart is
Africa always. But when it comes to So Africa and
New Zealand obviously made the best one win, which is
very competitive. Yeah, So I'm sure he is getting his

(21:44):
name out there, He's getting the word out there that
he wants to coach New Zealand. So I'm sure if
he gets a knock on his door, he'll take it.
And I'm telling you now New Ziland will get a
lot better. What will be better than that? I just
I just don't think Tony Robinson has got what it
takes to take this team further. I just don't think so. No,

(22:05):
the team is not responding, they're not working together like
they used to. Everybody can see it, and so yeah,
I just don't think that's quite what it takes.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I guess the difference is that Tony Brown is an
assistant coach. Yes, he's been a head coach at the Highlanders,
but mainly an assistant coach with Jamie Joseph. Here again
with South Africa. He's an assistant coach with a specific
role of attack, which clearly he's doing very very well.
Would I think I feel like in twenty twenty seven

(22:37):
he would be part of a coaching group. It might
be with Jamie Joseph for example. Although he's moved out
of the head coaching landscape at the moment, I'm going
to take up a director I think director of rugby
and will probably be. I think he's head coach of
the Highland is next year, but out of the international
realm anyway, I feel like Tony Brown's best best role
to playing a team is what he's doing with South Africa,
just looking after their attack, because man, they've been magnificent.

Speaker 11 (23:01):
Yeah, I'm telling you it's incredible. He's got so much.
He's got a massive inputting me. There is things that
you know. Raha Russi is a he's like hiding this
and hiding that and not let anybody know nothing. There
is a lot going on there that we don't know about,
and Tony Brown is a part of it and they're
so awesome. That's a great, so great to have him
a part of the team. And I'm telling you now

(23:25):
Africa is going to go for it again four times.
They can win it again.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I love the optimism. I love the optimism. Let's let's
let's chat again over the next couple of years and
see how they're see how they're tracking it.

Speaker 11 (23:40):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I didn't all right, Thanks you and appreciate your call.

Speaker 11 (23:44):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Good to chat to you. There you go. That's the
South African view our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
for your view. Like I said, there isn't a solution
I can think of. I mean, I mean, I guess,
I guess. Okay, let's let's spit ball a bit here.
It wasn't working between Scott Robertson and Leon McDonald, and

(24:05):
that led to who are parting of the ways. Leon
McDonald left the All Blacks coaching set up and the
remaining duties were shared, or his duties were shared among
the remaining coaches. Tomothy Ellison took a bigger role, Jason
Holland took over some extra responsibility. Presumably Scott Hansen did
it as well, so they spread the responsibility out. I wonder,

(24:29):
I wonder whether there might have been an opportunity to
go to although the timing wouldn't have worked, but to
go to Tony Brown then and said hey, Tony, I
know you've you've thrown your lot and with South Africa,
but come home, man, come home. I think the timing
was the problem, wasn't it, Because Leo McDonald he that
was just before they went to South Africa. So by

(24:51):
that stage Tony Brown had signed on the dotted line
with Rassi Erasmus for the next three to four years
through to the next Rugby World Cup. Opportunity lost or not.
I feel like it is. I watched that South African
and as he said to Tony Brown earlier, they've always
been renowned, always for their dominant forward pack, their no

(25:14):
nonsense set peace, their ability to physically dominate. But immediately
it was obvious watching South Africa how much more expensive
they were with ball in hand. And that has to
come down largely at the feet of Tony Brown. What
he has very quickly brought to that team. He must

(25:34):
have been He must have got in there, looked at
the players at his disposal and started licking his lips
with what he could encourage them to do. They have
a terrific set of backs, and under his guidance they
became expensive. I bet the players absolutely loved it. I

(25:55):
bet they loved it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
for your thoughts, speedline. If you want to jump aboard
Mike's says, call me petty. Yes, he's a good coach
and it's professional sport. But the un ardinable indiscretion of
helping South Africa beat the All Blacks, any team but them,
no All Blacks coaching job for Tony Brown. In my book,

(26:15):
Ge Mike, that's a bit harsh. If that's the if
that's the if that's the criteria that if you if
you help another side beat the All Blacks, you're not
let to coach you All Blacks. Then I'm not sure
that's the road to go down. Maybe you're saying it
with tongue in cheep.

Speaker 10 (26:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Dave says my thoughts on Tony Brown coaching the All Blacks.
If Scott Robertson wins the World Cup, he'll of course
get the next four years with his current group. If
he fails, the next cab off the rank as Verne
Cotter Jamie Joseph will miss out. Tony Brown might need
to tie his colors to vern Would there be any
any scenario under which New Zealand Rugby might go to

(26:53):
Tony Brown and say, look, I know you've got a contract,
but we know these things are breakable. Come home, come home.
Do you think that would ever ever possible happen? If
Tony Brown continues to, you know, encourage and enable South

(27:15):
Africa to play, well, wouldn't you go after him and say, hey, Tony,
well you know we'll get you out of that contract.
Come home another David says at the end, is so
right about Razor Brett says New Zealand rugby broke their
own rule. All black coach does not need international experience.

(27:39):
You're right. It's two be billboard bred, isn't it This
Texas the spring Box won two World Cups before Tony
Brown even got the year. Look, I'm of course they did,
yes they did. But he has improved them. There's no
doubt that he has improved them this year. And how
do you improve it a back to back rugby World
Cup winner? You have to do something innovative, you have

(28:01):
to do something different. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open on this updating a bit of
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Is it raining quite heavily in christ Hitch at the moment.

(29:13):
Presumably it is. It was terrible and Wellington yesterday, but
it's actually all right at the moment. Should be good
for the NPC final this afternoon. Just after three o'clock.
Gold Sport and iHeartRadio have live commentary of that from
just before three. Ross Bond, Matt Buck and Shannon Puku
are our commentary team. We'll get down to Skystadium at
some stage after two o'clock just to set the scene

(29:35):
for you down there. Also, Major League Baseball is at
its World Series stage. This is I guess what you
call the final Dodgers Yankees game one underweight about one o'clock.
Will keep eyes on that for you. And of course
the All Blacks up against Japan ten to seven tonight
again a commentary right here on news talk Sad Beat
with Elliot Smith and Gregor Paul, the commentary team. Elliott's

(29:58):
been with the All Blacks in Tokyo all week, reporting
back for us and chatting to various participants, holding All
Blacks front, Robert all the Fussy.

Speaker 12 (30:09):
Off the fussy with us. Always a special week when
the All Blacks come to Japan. How's the week gone
to this point from a fan perspective of training perspective
of how things gone, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (30:19):
It's been good. Obviously we love coming here. Uh, we
were a big fan base here in Japan. The culture,
the people love you over here. Obviously, they love rugby,
they love the All Blacks and very passionate people. But yeah,
in terms of training, we've been we've been building very nicely. Obviously,

(30:41):
we got in a few days earlier than we would
have on a normal test week, so we got the
climate ice and pece of the heat obviously. Yeah, a
bit different from back home. But yeah, we've had a
good week prepping. Obviously, some of the squad head around
with Panasonic guest today and uh that went well. But yeah,

(31:04):
I focus is on Japan.

Speaker 12 (31:06):
And how important to start this tour off on a
good note with a good performance on Saturday.

Speaker 13 (31:11):
Yeah, obviously at the beginning of a long tour, and
it it'll big great to start off strong and then
you know, put a line on the stand in terms
of our performance in and so we can move forward
from there.

Speaker 12 (31:26):
A couple of years ago and here in Tokyo they
gave you, you know, a real scare. They put a
good performance and I think thirty eight to thirty one
in the end. What are your recollections of that and
what they're able to do well to put you under
pressure that day?

Speaker 13 (31:41):
Yeah, I think obviously with no disrespecting or of the
Japanese side, because they've always been their computer. You know,
look at their last two World Cups and then all
those big upsets. We certainly don't take them lightly obviously

(32:02):
on their day as rugby, you know, things can go
your way or don't. But uh, yeah, if I don't
remember much from that game, but I think there was
a lot of you know, things going fell into their
hands and work out there in their favor. But yeah, we,
like I said, we've had a good week prepping and

(32:23):
probably we've had a great week, probably the best in
preparation and this year. And yeah, I can tell the
boys a confidently can't wait to go out there on Saturday.

Speaker 12 (32:34):
You've known Patrick toy but a lot too for a
long time. Yeahs special for him to get to Leader's
Country out on the weekend.

Speaker 13 (32:39):
Oh very I suppose be very special for himself and
his family, Petty since at the very beginning. And I'm
I'm just extremely proud of them obviously lead us at
the Blues and the just the top man Petty on
and off the field, and like how I went to play
play alongside him on Saturday.

Speaker 12 (33:01):
The sharing the All Black seems like there's heaps of
competition hit prop with Pasilio coming in and you know
and too mighty growing as well. How exciting is that
for the propping departments and the All Blacks to have
that competition, pushing, pushing each other.

Speaker 13 (33:15):
Oh, it makes our another team healthy. I suppose it
makes us better the competitions there. But for us, it's more,
you know, making everyone better, especially us prompts you're unspitt
and healthy and then playing some some great rugby you know,
who knows might be the opportunity this week or we

(33:38):
may get it next week. It's about you know, to
staying ready so because you're your opportunity will come. But
I'm glad to see those boys, you know, playing really
well and then growing as not only players but but people.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
Yeah, how important.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
I guess there's this tour of five big weeks in
it in a row Japan. But then and it's a
bigger test, a big test to come off the back
of it, to grow as a team and connect over
these next few weeks.

Speaker 13 (34:06):
Yeah, it's important. Look looking back in the championship and
the July chests against England, I think we're we're building
nicely and we're our game is evolving and lock it's
just the next few weeks just another opportunity for us
to to Obviously we haven't put one hundred percent uh

(34:32):
of our performance out there, but I think we're growing
and hopefully we can it be better.

Speaker 12 (34:39):
A few weeks since you've got on the park and
then it was Cape Down last played, weren't able to
get a game for the Tunny Fire and Sneaking game
in there.

Speaker 9 (34:46):
I would I would have loved to.

Speaker 13 (34:47):
Obviously, being in this environment, even though you're not playing,
there's still a lot of you know, you're obviously your world,
your old changes during the week, either either be playing
or you're preparing the boys, the trainings. Yeah, n inteen
Cities High and the and there's always a lot of
things to do. So even though I'm not out there
on the park, you know, the body still take a

(35:09):
lot throughout the week. But yeah, hopefully you know this.
Obviously this week I'm on when they're coming off the beach.
So yeah, looking forward to getting out there and play just.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
As a team this weekend.

Speaker 12 (35:22):
Talk about obviously getting the tour off the right note,
but performance wise, you're a Japan's a team that likes
to run at the All Blacks hour as well. Do
you think there's some similarities in terms of the way
that the two game plans might meet on Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 13 (35:34):
Yeah, it's always it's gonna be a good running rugby
game on Saturday, I think. But yeah, for us, it's
about just focusing on our game and our plan and
if we do that then I think I said before,
things will fall into place.

Speaker 10 (35:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (35:53):
The Japanese loves loves running rugby and they play really fast.
So for us, it's just our game management and hopefully
the best. Can you manage the game well to give
us before it some time.

Speaker 9 (36:08):
To be a good game.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
That is the voice of Offertortem Fussy, who will be
off the bench tonight as he was a couple of
years ago in Japan when the Brave Blossoms got as
close as they ever had to the All Blacks a
thirty eight to thirty one win on that occasion're going
to break the test down and the end of year
tour as well in a wider sense with Murray mixteat
after one o'clock, time for a couple of calls or

(36:30):
still time for a couple of calls before one on
the best way to keep our top coaching talent with us.
Whether you'd welcomed Tony Brown back into the fault seems
a bit of a no brainer to me. But obviously
the current coaching staff have another five test matches this
year to negotiate, First of all Japan this afternoon, and

(36:50):
then those three big matches in consecutive weeks England Island,
France to finish with Italy. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty lines open as always, just on that game
two years ago, it was a very different All Blacks
team to this one, and obviously sent ten players on
to England to prepare for next weekend. But from the

(37:11):
starting fifteen two years ago when New Zealand played Japan,
only Sam Kine and Sevu Reese from the starting fifteen
that day are going to start tonight. Just two of
the fifteen. Patrick Tuupolotu was on the bench two years ago.
He's going to captain the team for the first time
tonight in a Test match. Anton Lennard Brown was in
the reserves that night too, He's starting at offer Talkma

(37:32):
Farsi and David Harvilly on the bench two years ago
and they are again on the bench tonight. So a
very different looking All Blacks team from the one that
narrowly beat Japan thirty eight thirty one a couple of
years ago. Coming up ten to one News Talk CV
back in a moment's on Weekend Sport when it's.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Down to the line.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
You made a call on ten eighty Weekend Sports with
Jason Hine, News.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Talks MB seven and a half away from one, James says,
tarential rain in christ Church at the moment, absolutely no
chance of cricket today. James, you've called it because I've
abandoned that Ford Trophy match. They've said nope, we're not
getting ay of cricket in today, So that game has
been officially abandoned between Canterbury and Northern. I guess Northern

(38:15):
will hop back on the plane and maybe try to
get an earlier flight out of there. Central fifty five
for two and the fourteenth dover batting first against Wellington
and Otaga one eighty for five in the thirty sixth
over batting first against Auckland. Good ay, Jonathan, I got Jason.

Speaker 14 (38:32):
Yeah. I had to listen to your interview with Tony
Brown and for me it's like treason to for a
New Zealand coach to teach another international side against the
All Blacks for which he was in all back himself.
But at the same time I'd be respect the fact
that there are lots not to New Zealand world class

(38:55):
coaches and like you say, they can't all coach for
the or Blacks. So he's professional coach and he's got
to find work. But I do, I do remember, and
I think I'm like saying that that Wayne Smith said
that he was if he was ever an international coach,
he would never coach against the All Backs. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
He did say that. No, he did say that.

Speaker 14 (39:16):
Yeah, I take my head off. I take my head
off to him. But like I say, it's it's hard
and yeah, it's it's almost like treason for me.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, yeah, I know against Yeah, it must be hard
because and even asking him standing there and during the
national anthems and all that sort of thing, Jonathan must
be really kind of hard to process in your own brain.
He's stood out there in that black jersey and now
he's singing the South African anthem.

Speaker 14 (39:46):
Yeah, I I honestly couldn't do it. But that's not
my job. I'm not a coach. But it's your life.
You've got a fighting work, haven't you, really, So what
can you do?

Speaker 6 (39:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
And that's the big paradox for him writers that as
You're right, he's got to earn a livelihood. That's his job.
He's a he's a rugby coach and if there's no
job available here then I mean coach Japan. So you
know that's I know different. Maybe that's because they've never
really been a threat to us, but to sit in
the coach's box in South Africa and for two test
matches against US really make a difference. Yeah, it must

(40:19):
be kind of a paradox in his own mind, right.

Speaker 14 (40:21):
Yeah, but I hope I would love for him in
the future to get the All Backs job because.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I agree, I agree, Jonathan. I'd love to see
him as part of a All Blacks coaching group as well,
maybe alongside Jamie Joseph, who knows. You know, they've been
a pair for a long time, Jonathan, Thanks for your call.
Whether Jamie Joseph has moved away from that now he
went into that director of rugby role at the Highlanders.
He's taking over though, isn't he his head coach next
year of the Highlanders? Pretty sure that's the case. So

(40:49):
back into the kind of super rugby landscape, will he
again be a candidate to coach the All Blacks down
the track. I mean he might have to wait for
a while. I'm sure of the All Blacks won the
next World Cup, then that's another four years, and deservedly
so for this coaching group. But yeah, Jonathan makes a
really interesting point. It is the great it is the

(41:12):
great paradox. I'll use that word again. Tony Brown's a
former All Black, loved the Black jersey, played for New
Zealand Maori clearly still you know, deeply invested in rugby here.
But that job is not available and so he has
to find another job. And it wasn't as though he
didn't go and knock on that door. RESSI Erasmus wrung

(41:34):
him plumb job hard to turn down. He almost I
don't think he sounded apologetic for it, but I think
he you know, he wouldn't be human if he didn't have,
you know, a little thought off to the side of
his mind, thinking I'm coaching against the All Blacks here.

(41:54):
After one o'clock, Murray Mextead's on the show. Haven't spoken
to mes for a while, looking forward to getting his
views on the current All Black side and tonight's Test
match against Japan.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's the only place to discuss them the biggest sports
issues on and after fields.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
It's all on Wee jens Ford with Jason Vain on
your Home of Sport in New Talks.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Or one oh seven. Welcome back, and I hope you're
long weekend's going well, or the first part of it.
If you're in a part of the country you don't
normally inhabit. I hope you're enjoying yourself on the road.
Perhaps good to have you listening in. This is Weekend Sport.
I'm Jason Pine and McDonald's show producer. We're h till three.
Murray mixed it in just a second chatting All Blacks
rugby Japan tenth Test match of the year tonight, Hewy reckon,

(42:42):
we'll go mix on that shortly. Joseph Tappany out of
the Kiwis Rugby League doubleheader in the Garden City tomorrow,
New Zealand against Australia in Women's and Men's Rugby League
and Peacock out of Australia before two as well. Keep
your calls some correspondence coming. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty nine two nine two On text, Joe says

(43:03):
party at Tony Brown's will be on the cards if
he was to come back and join the All Blacks
in the future. He was a tough first five, never
took a step back. Loved him as a player and
he would bring plenty of innovation to the table. I agree, Joe,
and Robbie says. Finally, Tony is a really top coach.
I reckon he's the closest guy to Wayne Smith. I
would have him and the All Blacks coaching team in

(43:24):
a flash. What time to Wellington lose, says Robbie. Settle down, Robbie,
behave yourself NPC final this afternoon, just after three o'clock
Wellington Bay have plenty at sky Stadium. Will get you
to Sky Stadium before three with a bit of a
preview of that one. Eight past one.

Speaker 9 (43:39):
Comes through that right boot of his and.

Speaker 12 (43:41):
Away the yo. The All Blacks get three to finish.
Japan go down swinging and this one thirty eight thirty one.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
What a Test match we have seen. It was two
years ago the last time the All Blacks played Japan.
It's their tenth Test match of this year, ten to seven. Tonight,
the first of five tests and five weeks to end
the year. Much tougher assignments ahead England at Twickenham, Ireland
and Dublin, France and Paris across three consecutive weekends before
Italy in Rome. To wrap Scott Robertson's first year in charge,

(44:12):
let's bring in thirty four tests, seventy two game All
Blacks number eight and astute rugby analyst Murray mixed. Did
Murray great to get the chance to chat to you
in general terms? First of all, what have you made
of the All Blacks performances so far in twenty twenty four?

Speaker 10 (44:27):
Well, firstly, good afternoon, very good. Yeah, Well, I reckon
that raises taking it one step at a time and
probably having a good hard look in lots of combinations
because I think that he was thrown into a hard
Well they're all hard, aren't they when you think about it.
The All Black program was a very difficult program going

(44:49):
to South Africa, playing two games Cape Town and in well,
joe Burg and Cape Town, So you know, he had
a tough go and I think lots of things were
proven over there. I think it exposed a lot of
weaknesses and therefore I'm very very pleased with the team
that he selected to play against Japan because there's probably

(45:13):
half a dozen guys in that starting lineup that he's
having a good look at to play in that first
Test against England and Ireland and France. Three in a row.
That's a tall order. You know, in any year, that's
a hard combination to play three weeks in a row.
So it's going to be very interesting this game. And Tokyo,

(45:36):
I think the team's very clever selection and I think
we're going to get a good opportunity to have a
look at five or six players we might figure in
the first Test in England.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I want to talk about a couple of those potential
players in a second murray. But which weaknesses do you
think we're exposed in South Africa.

Speaker 10 (45:54):
Well, the biggest one, most clear to everybody really is
the lack of size in comparison to the Springbok forwards.
So we were well undersized. And you know, I think
if you're get to beat South Africa and South Africa,
you've got to target sixty percent possession. Now we didn't
achieve that in either of those games, and we've got
under fifty in the second game, I believe, so you're

(46:16):
not going to beat South Africa and South Africa unless
you get more than them and as far as ball goes,
and we couldn't do that. We just weren't literally weren't
big enough for the aerial possession battle, which we lost.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So let's look at the selection then of this team,
actually before we do. Did you think Raiser might be
more adventurous with his selections up to this point because
he's he's kind of stuck with a very solid cores
right across the first nine test of the year. Did
you think he might be more adventurous?

Speaker 10 (46:49):
No, I don't. I think that. I think he's a
very good coach and he's he's approven coach, which a
lot of people are forgetting that. He came back to
New Zealand after playing France for a long time coaching over there,
he came back to news Own and he did he
did the arts big time, you know, with Canterbury b

(47:09):
I think he started with and then Canterbury and then
is fantastic you know tenure with the Crusaders. So I
think that he's a proven coach. What he's not proven
at is perhaps selection at international level. And I also
think he's a quick learner and if you're surrounded by

(47:32):
really deep thinkers, then you have to try out a
lot of players. The other characteristic I think of raises
his loyalty. Once he picks someone, he gives them plenty
of opportunity. You know, he really does. He doesn't just
look at him for a couple of games and say, no,
you're not upset, I'll try someone else. He just gives
them another game and another game, hoping he's going to

(47:52):
come through. And that's why he developed such incredible loyalty.
And you'll see the difference in the Crusader. And you know,
you've got to have Lorty coach. You've got to have
Lordy with his players. He selects. If you lose the
players on the field, you're gone, you know, because rugby
is a true team sport and everyone's got to want
to be pushing in the same direction. Literally. So I

(48:13):
think that he's proven in that area and his loyalty
is unmatched. But I think this is a new ballgame
now we're starting again, and that's why I think this
team that play Japan is a very very interesting selection.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Do you like the look of Wallace a T team?

Speaker 10 (48:33):
I don't. I'm too early for me to comment on
him to be Frank number one. He's been played at
blindside Blanka most of the time and he's a number eight,
so you know you've got to be a to look
at him in both positions. I think his selection will
depend on who the other two loose forwards are. And

(48:56):
I say that objectively because I think that Ardie Severe,
you'd have to say, is equally as competent at seven
or eight. And how that evolves over the next few
weeks will be very interesting to see because you know,
we've got a very successful open side flank also on
that team who's played one hundred games or so his

(49:18):
need for the All Blacks, Sam Caine, so he's also there,
probably on his last journey with the All Blacks. And
I think, in fact he's one of the guys, you know,
I sort of I put a circle around the names
of the players playing against Japan.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
And.

Speaker 10 (49:39):
One of the names I circled with his name, So
I think it depends and this is the way it
should be too. You know, you get selected to play
big test matches on performance, don't you, So you know
he needs to perform in England. There's no doubt about
in Japan to be picked against England. So there's a
lot of options at seven and eight. Where I think

(50:01):
the complication comes with Satiti is we need a really
proven aerial positionion man in the back three, and if
you have Cain and Severe, you've got to have a
six foot six guy somewhere in that back three. Now
this is not new, This dates back to you know,

(50:23):
even back as far as my playing days are concerned.
You know, when you're playing the Northern Hemister, you're going
to have four guys who are really good at aerial position.
Those four guys are all going to be, you know,
over two meters tall, and if you go in there
with guys that are you know, I'm mixing up inches
and send the meters aren't died. But if you go

(50:44):
in there with guys that are six foot one and
six foot two, you're just not going to cut the mustard.
You're never going to get sixty percent position. And we
need to get sixty percent position in each of these
test matches in the UK if we're going to win
those games.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
So the only guy I can think of, yeah, sorry,
mix the only guy I can think of? Then that
fits the bill of a of a of a six
foot six loose forward in this team. If you've got
Kine s a T's summer Penny Fenwe and he hasn't
really shown enough. I don't know what you think to
justify a place in the best loose forward trios.

Speaker 10 (51:18):
Yeah, and you're absolutely correct, well done, you know. I
think that that's pretty clear though, isn't it, after what
I just said? But female is the only guy that's
call enough to compete. You know, he was given a
hard baptism, was me. I mean Johannesburg. You'd have to
if you're playing the spring Box in Johannesburg, that would
be the hardest game of rugby to play ever. You know,

(51:40):
if you look at all the different venues around the world,
and I've been spoiled actually and lucky enough to have
played in most of those, the game that is the
hardest to win is the one when you'd run on
the field in Johannesburg. And for countless reasons which I
won't go into, but that that is the biggest challenge.
So f now got that challenge and he didn't really

(52:02):
come through. Diddy is what you're saying, and you haven't
heard from him since. But I think what found out
in South Africa is that he didn't have any six
foot six loose forward who could win ball, you know,
and he didn't have two locks who could win bore
that level either, because VA's well under well under six
foot six. And I think he's playing really well though,

(52:23):
so you know, he's another guy that I would think
would be look in the future, will be looked at
as a blindside blanker and additional because he's good in
the air with the ball. But he's just not quite
big enough to be a lock against the very best
in the world. When you think they're all six ft eight,
you know, you've got to look at the realities. And
Barrett would be a showan obviously is one of the locks.

(52:48):
But do we have another lock of six foot eight?
And I'm looking hard at this guy, Josh Lord, because
he's the only guy there that's named I think is
sex eight. I think we've probably got another one, haven't we.
Who is it? Now die he's one of our locks?
Of course. Yeah, we've got two guys going to on

(53:11):
this tour that are six foot six foot seven or
six foot eight. But I think Lord would be an
interesting guy. You see when he comes on the field
in this game, against Japan will be very interesting when
he appears. Will he come on straight out to halftime
on picking? He will? And he's one that they might
have to look at in Europe, even though he's a

(53:32):
bit of a virgin. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I guess Sam Dowie's the other one, isn't he who's
starting alongside Patrick twy a lot too? What did you
make of the of the decision to seen team players
on ahead mix?

Speaker 10 (53:46):
Well, I think this is all part of the plan,
isn't it clearly part of the plan. And when I
look at the team at that plane, you know, it's
a really interesting team. We've got a fantastic front row.
Stocks in the front row are really good and I
think Jason Ryan it's done a magnificent job. And that's

(54:08):
one of the great things. I think that he was picked,
you know, in the last regime and started to develop
a front row because we were one step behind internationally,
and I now think we're one step ahead. So he's
got about six or seven or eight guys that are
good enough to play in tests. Serious, I'm really pleased
with what's going on there. We've got real challenge in

(54:30):
the second row, haven't we, Because if you've listened to
what I've just said. We haven't got too many six
foot eight locks around and the loose forwards. We haven't
got a big loose forward that's been proven yet either,
and we're not sure about our open side flanker heir
to be. I mean, I was picking Blackadder actually as
the next open side flanker after Caine has had his lot,

(54:54):
but he's been injured a fair bit and we haven't
seen much of that open so I've seen more of
than a blindside because of the lack of height. But
fortunately we've got Ardie Sabia and he can double up.
He can play seven or eight equally as well.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Does it actually matter?

Speaker 11 (55:08):
Does it matter?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Does it matter in the modern day game? Murray? Does
it matter which number is on the back of a
player in the loose forward trio? I know it goes
against what you said about having a tall guy, but
for example, Ardie Savy is going to play the same
way if he's got seven on his back or eight
on his back.

Speaker 10 (55:24):
Isn't he It's a very contentious question you're asking because
you know you've got to look at the core role.
What is the core role of the six to seven
and the eight. And if you ask most people, they've
never thought about it. They may know, but they've never
thought about Now, the core role of an open side
flanker is to retain and regain possession. That is the

(55:47):
core role. So in other words, you're on the open
side of the scrum. It doesn't matter who wins the
ball in the center of the field. Also a kickoff
doesn't matter who wins the ball. You have an opportunity
to retain or regain. So you've got to be the
best we've got in New Zealand in that role. And
then who's the second closest, who has a second amount

(56:07):
of opportunity is a number eight. So you're quite right.
Seven and eight both have a mission and their core
role is to retain and regain. You know, you've got
to add a couple of other attributes too to the
number eight, and ideally one of them would be you
know that it would be six or five or so

(56:28):
as well, like Karen Reid was an ideal number eight
actually because he supported the blindside flank of line out
aerial position in general, kicks and dropouts, et cetera. Yeah,
so ye, cutting cutting, cutting to the chase you've got
to have two. Really in my view, if you go
to England, you're going to play England, Ireland and France,

(56:51):
you've actually got to have too loose forwards who are
really good in the air, and one of them would
have to be good enough to hunt and gather. So yeah,
hunting and gathering is really important for the seven in
the eighth. The number six of totally different position. The
blind side flanker has least opportunity to get in the
action from set play. He's often the guy either jumping

(57:15):
or lifting in the line out less opportunities. So when
he does get an opportunity, he's got to make an impact.
So you need a really very hard, abrasive, aggressive blind
side flanger that you see when he gets a chance.
You know he hasn't got as much opportunity as the
seven in the eighth. So I hope that is simplified

(57:36):
for it.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
No, it has, it has. I look at them. I
look at the guys who have worn six this year
for the All Blacks, some of Penny Female for the
first two tests against England, then Jacobson against Fiji. Blackadded
for three Test matches, the two against Argentina and then
South Africa, then Satiti in the time since and now
we're back to female. So of all of them, mex,
who's who fits the bill best? Is it Satiti? Is

(58:01):
he because he's physically abrasive as you've outlined? Is he
the man?

Speaker 10 (58:05):
Okay, okay, it's I mean if you had if you
had a Karen Reid playing at number eight, you could say, okay, yeah,
you could place a TV at six. But you haven't
got a Karen Reader number eight. You've got this numberate
in the world probably who's not necessarily a line up forward. Well,
he's not a lineup forward. You compete against South Africa

(58:26):
and England and France and Ireland, so you've got to
have a big blindside blanket. And so the only one
on that team at the moment is female, which is
why I would be looking at Vay as an option
at blindside blanket. Does that answer your question?

Speaker 9 (58:44):
It does? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
But didn't we try this with Scott Barrett's We moved
him out of the second row to blindside didn't really work?

Speaker 10 (58:50):
Well, I don't know, did it or did it not
really work? My mind? Is it did work? You see?
I reckon that Barrett also could play six. But we
haven't got two other six foot eight bloody locks, have we.
So you've got to look at the realities. We're short
of poor ball winning forwards second row and back row
third row. So you know that's my view. You can,

(59:15):
you know, you can argue and dispute that, but what
you can't dispute is that you've got to get your
share of possession and to beat the big teams away
from home, you've got to get more than your share
of possession. I don't think anybody, doesn't matter how smart
they are, can dispute that.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I'm not disputing it at all. I'm not disputing that. No, absolutely,
not for you, mate.

Speaker 10 (59:39):
I was probably because you asked me the question, I mean,
which meant that you weren't decided either. But it's something
that's been neglected, you know, and it's something has been
forgotten about. But it's very very obvious. You know, if
you can have two guys and the loose forwards that
can win the ball in the air. Gee, you've got
a great head start, haven't you. But they've got to
be good too. They're going to be good at their role,

(01:00:01):
you know. So so TT that's in the same category
really is. It is severe, you know, they're in that
same and came to a less extent because I think
Kane is an out and out open size nothing else,
So you know, severe and s TDI I think in
the same category, you know, same size. Not big enough

(01:00:22):
to compete in the air for aerial possession against guys
who are six foot six to six foot eight, you know.
So that's a that's a real dilema at the moment,
and I think that's why females playing against Japan.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Murray, it's always interesting, very interesting, instructive chatting to you.
Thanks for taking taking our call and being so generous
with your time, mate, Really appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:00:46):
No problem. See you, Adam, see you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Alada Murray Murray mixed deep with as always interesting views
on the state of rugby. You might have a reaction
to what you heard there from Murray. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty the loose four trio. Look, I
said it a couple of times. I'm not sure they
know who the who the next seven is. Can you,
with any degree of confidence tell me who will wear

(01:01:10):
the seven jersey beyond this year when Sam Kain is
no longer an option Because I think Sam Kaine may
well play against England next week, even though he's playing
today against Japan. And they've sent on these players to
you know, the ten players they've sent on are almost
certainly going to play next week. I don't think they've

(01:01:32):
sent on anybody who's a number seven. Artie Save has
gone on, but he'll probably part number eight. So who
is who is our long term number seven? Maybe we
don't need to know yet. Maybe we you know, the
whole you know, planning for the future type thing and
getting somebody locked in for the next World Cup and

(01:01:53):
all that sort of thing can wait.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Maybe Peter Larkey's your man. He's coming off the bench
for a test deboo tonight, so it's probably putting a
little bit of high expectation on Peter Larkeye. But yeah,
so maybe we don't need to know. I think Sam
kin will probably start it open side next week. And
what's happened to Dalton Papa Lee? I know got injured,
but he's not on the twenty three for today. I

(01:02:18):
don't think he's been sent on, so I guess he's
just is he just waiting? Is he just in Japan?
I presume he is. I presume he is, Hey, John, Hey,
about how you doing?

Speaker 15 (01:02:28):
Great?

Speaker 10 (01:02:28):
John?

Speaker 16 (01:02:29):
Great, that's the story. He's just a couple of quick things.
I think Murray's on the money there actually, And I
was just reflecting that I don't really think we've had
a blindside since really since Jerome kind of in that mold,
and he was an outstanding player in that sort of

(01:02:50):
you know, hard running, defensive sort of guy, and we
do lack a bit of that tall timber, particularly against
the South Africans. We have guys of a lot sort
of similar size. And so yeah, that's my thought on it.
And just one other quick comment. You were talking about

(01:03:12):
Tony Brown. I actually think you have to look at
the coaching record. And I've thought of this before that
even with Jamie Joseph going back to the Highland as
his coaching record, it's only like early fifty percent, and
Tony Brown's is late forties, so not rarely the coaching records,

(01:03:35):
we should probably be worried about it. I don't think
there's a lot said about Tony Brown, but surely it's
about producing the results.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah, yeah, And I think what him going to South
Africa is proven though, John, is that when he gets
the cattle to work with, he can be a real influence.
And yeah, I'm not suggesting Tony Brown should be the
head coach of the All Blacks. I'm not suggesting that,
but I think he has a lot to offer in
the attack space you talk about as well. Just back
to your first point about Jeron Kinell. I think we

(01:04:06):
were getting there with Shannon Frazelle last year, or I
think we were getting there, but then all of a
sudden he's off overseas. So yeah, which was a shame really.

Speaker 17 (01:04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:04:17):
Yeah, and the ability I think back to that final
last year. Actually, Barrett actually I thought played pretty well
in that situation, and he's another one who could potentially
survel on that net blind side role rather than being
at lock. You know, he's matured so much as a

(01:04:39):
player that we've got an option there. But we just
need the big guys in the middle row more than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, i'd leave I'd leave Scott Barrett where he is.
I'd have to say. Yeah. A toopul v one is
interesting as well, Thanks John, I appreciate you. Call my
drive safe is another interesting one. I've heard that suggested,
and I think he has played successn't he for the Chiefs.
But you look at him and you think, well, he's
been so good at lock this year. He's probably been
the best lock this year. But because at the start

(01:05:10):
of the year, ok, okay, well our locks are going
to be Scott Barrett and Patrick Towey pilot too with
white Lock and Retalic going and to Paul Vy is
probably going to be the bloke who comes off the
bench most of the time. Now I actually reckon he's
ahead of Patrick twy Polot two. He clearly is because
he's been sent on. I know, I know Patty Toops
has had an injury and all that, but but but
Tupul and Scott Barrett will start next week against England.

(01:05:33):
That's clear. So I'd kind of be living too PORV
where he is one oh eight hundred and eighty ten
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Speaker 18 (01:06:01):
Ye're gonna I'm done and just wondering. I can't figure
out why. I don't even give Hoskins Stituto a run
or two, but it seems to be some maybe coach
and him don't get along. What do you think is
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Well, he's injured at the moment, so he can't. He
was picked for the All Blacks fifteen tour but has
pulled out of that with injury. Dom But I presume
you're referring back to the initial All Blacks selection at
the start of the year when he was left out altogether.

Speaker 18 (01:06:31):
Yeah, and some things he was like he didn't train,
didn't come to work on time, kind of things like that.
I don't I don't know what's going but anyway, I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
There was ever I don't think there was ever any
suggestion of that. I think probably, like like anything done.
You know, one one coach's you know, rusted on starter
is another coach's fringe player, and I just think they
went for what was to Titi. I think I don't
know whether it was a straight choice between Sotutu and Satiti,
but you have to say that what was Titi's made

(01:07:01):
a really good first of his time in the All Blacks.
So yeah, I don't know what's going to happen with Hoskins.

Speaker 18 (01:07:04):
Yeah no, no, I don't. I don't see them as
what it's Citi is at number eight. He shot the
height and Stiti doesn't. That's why I think we want
him at the number eight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Okay, So okay, sorry, So so you I think we're
getting our names mixed up here. So you would prefer
Hoskins Stutu at number eight, Yes, definitely, okay, gotcha. Yeah, Look,
and he was terrific there for the Blues, wasn't he
Wasn't he done? I mean terrific there.

Speaker 18 (01:07:37):
For the blows his position, and you know, Servia is
like you know, doesn't have the height requirements of the
big It's okay, that's all I can say.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Really, no, fair enough to I don't think it matters
with Artie. I've got to say. I don't think it.
I don't think Artie's height plays a part. There's absolutely
no doubt that Ardie Savia has been terrific at number
eight for the last couple of years since since he's
started playing there. That actually started at the Hurricanes. From memory,
Jason Holland put him in at number eight and then

(01:08:12):
that just carried on into the All Blacks because he
was playing there in Super Rugby. But I don't think
there's any suggestion that Ardie Savira is too short to
be a number eight. He wins line out ball, he
is a lineout option. He wins line out ball often.
He jumps at two and they go to him. So
I'm not sure that there's any suggestion of that. But
I know what there is a suggestion of is whether

(01:08:34):
at some point he should go back to the number
seven jersey. And maybe that's what happens next year when
Cain goes. Maybe Savea is yet seven and then you
start looking at Wallace Stiti or Hoskins Stutu or somebody
else at number eight. But I have to say I
would love to see at some stage, and we may

(01:08:55):
this year, who knows. I would love to see this
year Ardie Savia and Wallace Stiti start a Test match
together in the seven and eight jerseys. I mean, I
know they've done it in the six and eight jerseys,
but I would like to see them start together in
the seven and eight jerseys and in that situation. I'd

(01:09:18):
probably have Satiti at number eight because, as I said before,
it doesn't actually matter what Jersey Ardie Savie has on.
He just blays the same way he comes off the
back of the scrum with a ball, or if he's
off the side of the scrum in an attacking or
a defensive situation. Utterly effective, utterly effective. Joey says, what

(01:09:40):
about this Satiti at six, ARETI at seven, So two
tou at eight. We're not going to see it this year,
obviously with Hoskins Stutu injured, but that wouldn't be a
bad loose trio. At some point, I get the feeling
someone like Ethan Blackadder will be a solution at six,

(01:10:02):
although he's played a bit of seven too, hasn't he
started against Fiji in the open side jumper sixers, sevens
and eights. We're not at sixers and sevens yet, I
don't think. But we've got lots of options. Hello, Phil,
get a.

Speaker 19 (01:10:16):
Pointy Yeah, okay, I'm good, excellent, excellent, Yeah I was.
I listened to a interview with Murray Mexty and I
was quite thrilled. I found it really interested, really good.
I don't know, I don't have the knowledge and depth
of a lot of your callers and yourself with the

(01:10:37):
specifics of the players and the roles and that. But
I I thought he was on the money because it's
something that I've kind of thought about over the last
few years watching, you know, because growing up loving the
All Blacks and watching the All Blacks from from day
one sort of thing, And over the last few years
I have actually wondered in my mind that are we

(01:11:01):
lacking the height you know that we need when we
come up against the big teams now, like like he
was saying, like you're England and your France and your Irish,
like they have massive joyt South Africans as well, especially
South Africans. I'm not kind of a hunder so about

(01:11:22):
the Irish, but the English, South African Africans and the French,
they have these colossal giant locks now you know that
the bloody six foot anoying sort of thing that have
the height and are good in the year. And I
can't wonder, like he was saying, can he put it
so much better than I ever could, that we just
maybe are lacking that height that we maybe used to

(01:11:45):
have in the past against the teams, but these other
teams nations have got so much bigger with the with
the big locks. You know, maybe not so much in
the seven eight like you were saying about, doesn't matter
so much in that position at the moment where with
severe and situtu and that sort of thing, but definitely
in the locks, I think, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yeah, And I was listening to Maury talk about selection
phil and I was thinking, well, he can only select
what he's got. And you know, it seems to me
as though, I don't know, this is probably not true,
but it seems as though there's just an endless supply
of six fort eight, six foot nine massive men in
South Africa, and we just don't have that here. We
just don't know. Whether they're eating bigger steaks than us,

(01:12:27):
I don't know, but but it seems as though if one,
if one drops out, there's another one ready to take
his place. We're over here, we just don't have that.

Speaker 19 (01:12:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, there must eat those bars over
and South Africa. But I also think, and I think
the same seems to be true for France and England.
You know, they just seem to produce. Maybe it's just
a population thing, you know, pure population thing that, you know,
because they've got so many more people to choose from,

(01:12:56):
you know, they just the ration now is, you know,
they're just going to have more bigger men sort of thing.
But like you say, we don't seem to have that
option here in New Zealand. But those countries France and
England and France, I think is a bit like South
Africa Frances, they seem to have a produced giant locks
as well, you know from nowhere, from one one after another.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Yeah, indeed, and look, I'm sure Razor would love to
have that that that supply line, but yeah, at the moment,
he can only go with what he's got and that's
probably why he's having you know, he's having a play
with a few people in terms of where they play.
Corey is another guy who's been been talked about. Another
lock really I think, but a guy who could play six.

(01:13:42):
Thanks philp appreciate your call.

Speaker 20 (01:13:43):
Andy high Hey, funny. Yeah, I've always been the just
system to mix. I've all has been interested by Scott
Therecter has never given a shot at eight. I thought
he's found I mean, he's a really good lock and
we need locks, but rather than seven, I thought he's founded.
But at seven in the World Cup against against the Tooms,

(01:14:05):
you know you have the likes of Zim van Brooke,
big said, and at let already go down to the side.
Have they ever thought of putting Scott Barrett at the back?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
I've never heard of it, heard it, suggested Andy. I've
never I think the only the only switch was ever
from Locke to Blindside because of his physical size. I
don't know. I've never heard or seen Scott Barrett suggested
as a number eight. But he'd be a pretty physically
imposing bloke coming off the back of the scrum with
Bord and hand On.

Speaker 9 (01:14:34):
I mentioned, yes.

Speaker 20 (01:14:35):
Here, you know you had what I do for Sea
and and Zuzan and and Murray, you'd be pretty good.

Speaker 10 (01:14:42):
I thought, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
A good point. Andy, yep, no, good on you mate.
Thanks for calling in. I appreciate it. Got to move
and get across the Tasman, but do appreciate you taking
the time on your long weekend eighteen away from two
when we come back. Adam Peacock in Australia.

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Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
Good?

Speaker 17 (01:15:15):
Tiny yourself on very good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Things, very good? A couple of issues to kick around
with you. David Warner free to captain Australian cricket teams again.
How has this been received?

Speaker 17 (01:15:27):
It was a story that kind of wasn't really in
the national consciousness before Cricket Australia came out and with
a statement out of nowhere saying life to hand lifted.
I was under this understanding that it was done oh
months ago.

Speaker 10 (01:15:43):
It was.

Speaker 17 (01:15:43):
It was all okay. And I actually had on a
podcast over here Trent Copeland, who has just taken over
the GM role with Sydney Thunder, and I asked him
point blank and said does this mean Davey cam captain?
And he was kind of coy and started laughing about it.
He goes, oh, we'll have those discussions when we get
closer to the season. Now, to me, that sounds like
It was always going to be that Dave Dave Warn
who was going to captain the Sydney Thunder at this

(01:16:05):
Big Bash edition. So I don't think it's an issue.
Look what happened in Cape Town was obviously horrible and
it was bad for Australian cricket and a light got
sean where a light should have been shown a while ago.
It's done, it's over, everyone's moved on. Steve Smith has
captain Australia since so why couldn't Davey. So do you go?
I don't think he's going to captain Australia, but he's

(01:16:26):
definitely going to be able to captain some big budge
Bash cricket, which is good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
He's even still in the Australian Does he still play
T twenty cricket for Australia for the national team or not?
Does he just now big Bash kind of freelance, you know,
go around the world play for whoever kind of playing out.

Speaker 17 (01:16:41):
Yeah, he's I think he's available for T twenty cricket
for the national team and he's probably going to be
chosen if if the team was picked tomorrow, for instance,
they're playing Pakistan in a two twenty series soon. I
can't remember if he was selected. There so much happens
in cricket, but put it this way, and the kind
of cycles of it dormant at the moment because there's

(01:17:02):
not a World Cup on the horizon. We've just had
one of those. But if he's still going good in
franchise cricket, there's no reason why he wouldn't be in consideration,
I think for a T twenty World Cup, but beyond that,
no fifty over World Cup. He threw something flipping out
this week about oh yeah, if they can't decide on
a Test, I'm still available. That's not going to happen.

(01:17:23):
I think he was having a bit of fun with
that one. But yeah, he's still around Australian cricket and
he's going to commentate a lot this summer as well,
so it'd be interesting to hear his observations.

Speaker 10 (01:17:32):
On the game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Absolutely. Did you catch this Western Australian collapse against tas
Mayna at the Wacker? Did they lose eight wickets for
one run and that one run was a wide?

Speaker 17 (01:17:44):
I think it was nine for one if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
it was like six ducks in a row and I
watched it and it was it was horrible. It was
a mix between great bowling and some brainless batting. So yeah,
that is so unw with. They have been the benchmark
for Australian domestic cricket over the last three years. They
basically won everything if they don't want it, trophy there

(01:18:06):
in the finals. So how this has come about I
do not know, because they've produced the glut of Australian
debutantes in the last five ten years as far as
the men side of things go. So this is very
much an outliner. And it was against Daszy, so Tazzy
beat him in Sorry Wa won the Shield last year
the Shield Final against Tasmania in the West and a

(01:18:28):
couple of months later they came out and do that
in a one day game.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
It was pretty funny, absolutely crazy stuff, all right. A
couple of other matters, there's some rugby league double hitter
and christ Church tomorrow our men and women against the
Australian men and women. Has this got any cut through
on your side of the tesman?

Speaker 17 (01:18:45):
Not a heap like it's still got some attention, but
it hasn't really. It's not the forefront of rugby league stories.
This week there's more stories about player movement within the
NRL and this goes to show where the priorities are
again for international rugby league. It is not the priority.
It's still something good and don't get me wrong. I
mean the game against Tongo last week still rated I

(01:19:09):
think one point five million overall when you're some some
of them all up around the country. We're watching the
game at some point, so they're pretty good ratings. Not
to be sniffed up, but it's yeah, it's not from
page back page butt it that way, far from it.
What's it like over there?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Yeah, it's it's a little bit the same. It's a
kind of a funny time for it as well. You know,
the NRL season obviously captures a lot of attention and
then there's been you know, a bit of a break
and people sort of forget about rugby league and you
know we're thinking about cricket and other bits and pieces now.
But yeah, it's but look, I think the game, the
games plural Tomorrow and christ Church are sold out, so
that's a good sign. And yeah, I think you know

(01:19:47):
tomorrow will feature on the radio and look forward to it.
But yeah, it's not like it's not absolutely front page
back page news, but like your side of the task,
but maybe a little bit more over here because we're hosting.

Speaker 17 (01:19:59):
Yeah, and this is the time of view where everyone
kind of branches off and you know that we pay
a lot of attention to footy codes in the winter.
But as you say, cricket, a league football, if you're
into that, which I mean you definitely are horse racing,
Big Cox plait here today down in Melbourne, motor racing.
Baptist was on a couple of weeks ago. So yeah,

(01:20:20):
it's when you go and tap into your other interests
as well this time of the year, so it's hard
to kind of pay attention in that. There's got a
lot of focus over six months.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Indeed, just bore we go mention a leg there. We
spoke last week. I was at the Auckland FC the
very first game for Auckland FC. Are really good occasion.
You were at the Sydney Derby last Saturday night?

Speaker 9 (01:20:38):
How was that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:20:39):
Likewise it was great, great occasion, good atmosphere, open game,
interesting game. I think Sydney would a better side and
they got the result, but Western Sydney found a way
to make it, make it close towards the end in
Sydney are the one I can honestly say the Sydney
Auckland Grand Final if we sat here right now. Auckland
have got a great squad and if they're going to
get support like that, you tell me piney are they

(01:21:02):
going to get that in their sixth seventh home game
kind of atmosphere? That's the trick to the administration. That's
what they're aiming for. But you've got to Melbourne Derby
here tonight as well. I'll be watching that that'll go
off down in Melbourne. But yeah, Auckland, you reckon they'll
be able to maintain that kind of atmosphere because if
they do, it's just a wonderful thing for the Alay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
I think they will. Yeah, I actually do think that
they will. Obviously Sydney are there tomorrow, so it's Auckland
the FC Sydney you see tomorrow, the Corrika Derby as
they're calling it. You know, I've heard very very positive
messaging around ticket sales fmorrow. It's a long weekend here
in New Zealand, so I few people have left Auckland
and gone to you know, far flung places to their

(01:21:43):
holiday batches and things like that. But no, I'm hearing
good things and yeah, man, if they can, if they
can recapture it across as you say, across a twelve
to thirteen game home season, then yeah, no reason why
they can't continue the momentum.

Speaker 17 (01:21:55):
And that's the thing about a leagu football. If you
turn on the television, and with all due respect to
some other clubs, and you turn it on and all
you can see is empty seats because that's aside, the
sun's on, it's too hot to sit in that, and
the atmosphere doesn't really sing through the television. Immediately you're
put on the back foot, subconsciously, consciously, all of that.
But you turn it on and the things jumping. Immediately
you think, oh, this football's all right, no matter what's

(01:22:16):
going on on the rectangle with the eleven classes against
eleven players that you you're fed. Your senses are said
by what's happening with the crowd, so hopefully organ I'm
humped about watching it all. Wellington Derby ever they got
the name of it, Pew Classic or.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Something that's a that's a terrible name, isn't it. That's
an awful I can tell you I can tell it
right now. We're up for using that in television commentary.
We'll think of something much better than that. Hey, better
fly and I'm always good to jet to you mate.
Let's do it again next Saturday. Good thanks byning tug
it mate, by that's Adam Peacock. Seven to two News
Talks in News Talk, hipp and Weekend Sport. What are

(01:22:54):
we coming up? Four away from two after two o'clock,
Scott Styrus gonna join us. We could win a TES
series in India for the first time ever, first time
ever and we got there through the bowling of Mitchell Centiner.
Incredible sentence to say. But keen to chat to Scott
Cyrus about that and look at prospects for day three

(01:23:15):
but later on and prospects for the Bunnings MPC final
Wellington Bay of plenty will do that as well. After two.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 10 (01:23:36):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Two o seven for an hour away or just under
an hour away from kickoff in the Bunnings MPC Final.
It's for twenty twenty four Wellings and against Bay of
Plenty sky Stadium in the Capitol. We'll get you there
before three o'clock with our commentary team from gold Sport
and iHeartRadio, Ross Bond, Shannon Paku and Matt Buck. It's
just started to rain. Well, it hasn't just started. It

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started a little while ago. They're trying to get a
game of cricket at the basin. They're off the for
That won't affect the rugby, of course, but it will
be a bit in clement at sky Stadium when that
game gets underway. Speaking off cricket, We're going to win
a Test series in India, aren't we. This is mad,
absolutely crazy that, off the back of a very very

(01:24:25):
mediocre showing in Sri Lanka, that we should go to India,
of all places, one of the hardest places to win
test matches, win the first one and be in a
terrifically strong position after two days of the second test.
Scott Styrus on that in just a second, your cause
and correspondence welcome. In fact, I quite like to chat

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the cricket with you. I watched that yesterday with a
growing sense of bewilderments really that Mitchell sat was running
through India crazy stuff, crazy in a good way, though
crazy in a very good way. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty As always as our number nineteen ninety
two for a text message. But as we approach a

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pass two, as we always do, time to keep you
up to date with the stuff that might have escaped
your attention over the last little while, the things that
perhaps you've missed. We call it in Kasha mist It.
It happens at around this time every Saturday and Sunday
afternoon on weekend sport, starting with American Sport and the
LA Rams handing the Minnesota Vikings just their second defeat

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of the NFL season.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Daly look at it, Safety, Aroon Young take some down
the ends on ramp sial It at two and it's
thirty to twenty and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
My son will be very pleased about that, being a
Minnesota Vikings fan. That will featured that on the Incasia
mist A segment. Today, Pakistan have taken command of their
third cricket Test against England thanks to a classy century
from Saud Shakiel.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Unruly kind of a Beeshwal.

Speaker 21 (01:26:00):
He gets a single in reses back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
To the gallery.

Speaker 21 (01:26:03):
His partner is happy chappy because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
One hundred, one hundred number four plasld secure, So England
two sixty seven and twenty four for three Pakistan three
hundred and forty four, England fifty three behind with seven
second innings wickets in hand. Now to an intriguing match
and Australian domestic One Day cricket. We spoke about this
with Adam Peacock before two West Australia cruising supposedly at

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fifty two for two against Tasmania.

Speaker 22 (01:26:33):
Then this he can appeal forbw and he's out. Bro
webs has caught Cameron Vancroft in front, well they reckon
pad thirty's out second ball. Vaux Webster's got the big
wicket for captain Ashton Turner and he's fouled in Billy
standlight straight through Josh Engliss with a tremendous delivery.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
First flies off the edge of Quarner.

Speaker 22 (01:26:56):
Third slip another neck and this too he does catch it.
Brilliant catch forr Iwan, diving to his left.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
So that was five wickets lost without advancing the score
at all. But then they responded by scoring a run
it was a wide, but then.

Speaker 22 (01:27:09):
This, well that's a nick behind a big nick at
bo Webster. An appeal for Robbie W's out, no wicket
for Webster, another one for Tatspadia.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
That record is in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Now stand has delivered the ball, AGA has stied the
ball and Western Australia are officially all out. Yeah, astonishing
from fifty two for two to fifty three all out.
They lost eight wickets for one run and a slightly
better sporting performances. Chris Wood continues his goal scoring form

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for Nottingham Forrest, doing this against Leicester this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:27:47):
Finding Would Wood on the turn.

Speaker 21 (01:27:50):
Tas squats he's done so often in recent seasons and
there's now holding back in the celebration even though he's
just scored against one of his former clubs and one
wasn't enough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
He scored a second, propelling his team to a win
in lifting Ottingham Forest to the giddy heights of fifth
on the Premier League ladder. Would and he's.

Speaker 21 (01:28:13):
Got a chance for another, which he takes. That's a
delight for the former Leicester striker.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
When it's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
You made a call on eight weekend Sport with Jason
Hine us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Talk ZV just on eleven past two, going to talk
Test cricket in just a moment updating you on cricket
domestically off the field at the base in Reserve Central
and ninety three for two in the twenty third over.
That's down to forty eight overs a side. I would
say there's a high possibility and they're not getting back
on at the basin reserve now looking out the window

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in that direction from our studios in downtown Wellington, so
that may well be abandoned. Earlier cantering Northern abandoned in
christ Church without a ball being bold, but a full
fifty overs possible in Mount Monganui where batting first, having
been sent into bat have racked up two hundred and
eighty three for nine two eighty three for nine against Auckland.

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So Walkland shortly. We'll head out in the chase for
two eighty four to win that one. Twelve past two,
the black Caps on the verge of a first ever
Test series win in India, dominating the opening two days
of the second Test in Poune, looks closing with the.

Speaker 23 (01:29:32):
Army and now by a thinger goes up I'm by
a Paul Rifle has had a good deal as well,
and so has the man on your screen, Mitchell Santna.
The second best figures by New Zealander and India Mitchell
Santner seventh for fifty three.

Speaker 9 (01:29:45):
What a spell of calling. It's been well for the
first time.

Speaker 17 (01:29:48):
Mitchell Santa is going to get to hold that ball
up and he will hold it up very, very proudly.

Speaker 9 (01:29:53):
Indeed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
So match scores New Zealand two fifty nine and one
ninety eight for five India all out one fifty six.
Mitchell Santner seven for fifty three. His best Test figure
is by a long way. The second best figure is
ever buy a News Island in India the equal eighth
best innings bowling figures by any New Zealand bowler in
our Test cricket history. That has The black Caps are

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head by three hundred and one with five second innings
wickets in hand and three days still to play. Let's
just put this in context for you. We've been touring
India since nineteen fifty five, what's that nearly seventy years.
This is the thirteenth time New Zealand have played a
Test series in India. Of the previous twelve, eleven have
been won by India. The only drawn series was in

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the back end of two thousand and three when both
Test matches were drawn. Scott Styrus was in that team
actually that drew both those Test matches at the back
end of two thousand and three. He joins us Now, Scott,
I honestly didn't think i'd be saying the sentence. Mitchell
Santina has bowled New Zealand into a winning position. What
did you make of his bowling on day two?

Speaker 24 (01:30:57):
Yeah, I think mitchle Center, of course, has been having
short of terrific with the white ball in his hand.
The red bull's been a bit more of a challenge.
But he's got a lot of talent, there's no question
about that, and it's great to see him step up
and conditions which favor him, it's fair to say it,
but you've still got to deliver and he did that well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
I think you're right that the conditions do favor him.
But ajs Patel at the same time didn't get any
wickets in the in the in the in the first thing,
so so you've got to put it down to Mitchell
Santna doing something that he hasn't really done a test level.
That's just bold, terrifically well, don't you.

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:31:33):
I think what we saw is his height, place and
advantage he's got. He's a tall man, He's got a
nice high action, very similar to a Daniel Vittori. So
he was the one that extracted a lot more bounce
out of the surface and that's what caused the batsman problems.
Wasn't so much the variable bound but when you couple
that with the ability to the standarball almost tennis ball,
like I thought Mitchell Santner, then just every over you

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could almost see that the approach from the batsman, the
Indian batsman was different to Santana to the others because
of the fact Billips and a Jazzell are a lot
shorter and they don't get that same climb.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
So in that regard then Scott, is it likely he'll
be the most important bowler for New Zealand and the
second innings as well? Or with the pitch wearing, is
it likely to bring the likes of Patel Phillips, maybe
even Ravendra into play.

Speaker 24 (01:32:24):
I think it will be still all about Satna just
because of that baths that's the one. You always want
variety in your bowling attack. And even though those two
left arm spinners, they're very different left arm spinners, there's
usually a little bit quicker, has their bounced bowls, a
really nice undercutter, which is often the type of delivery
in India which has the most success, not necessarily the
traditional overspin that you see the likes of Victorial Adjut

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Patel look to employ. So you know, I think the
fact that that they do have the two left ups
but they are very different does posts and problems is
a great strength for us because the spinners have done
really well on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
This to it absolutely so. Then New Zealand went out
to bat with a first innings lead of just over
one hundred, really positive to start. How important was Tom
Latham's eighty six in the second innings yesterday?

Speaker 10 (01:33:13):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:33:13):
I love the veryminute of it. And the reason for
that is because of the old school batting, wasn't it.
I mean, I think we saw two teams of batsmen
who on that surface where they couldn't necessarily trust the balance,
didn't know how much it was going to turn, They
didn't really back their defensive screen, their defensive technique, and
therefore they were quite aggressive and they didn't have a
lot of patience. Well, Tom Layton doesn't play a lot

(01:33:33):
of T twenty cricket. He does take a lot of
pride in his defense obviously employs the sweep shop, which
worked really well. So I think he summed up conditions
and had the mental discipline if you like to stick
to that camplan all the way through, because New Cella
certainly needed it. You know, they need to get through
fifty to four hundred. I think if they do that,
then yeah, we may well see that first series win.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
So we're three hundred ahead now, even that seems a
tough chase. Or do you think India could chase three
hundred down.

Speaker 17 (01:34:05):
I think they could.

Speaker 24 (01:34:06):
I mean, if anyone's going to them, it's their home conditions.
They're used to these style of pictures. I'd never feel
confident in the subcontinent when they've got the bat in hand.
They often over the history have just made the pitch
look like a completely different surface to battle. I think
we won't see them be as loose. You know you
actually Polymus another full toss Suffras, Yes, he played a

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loose shot to be called him mid off, but I
guess that's the way he plays, but I expect them
to be a little bit mentally stronger than that second innings.
They will want to lose that home Test match as well.
The Test Championship is something that they have won yet
and they put a stock into it, so they really
want to keep developing that Test game in India. They

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book about it all the time and the commentary work
I do there that that's the version of the game
that they want to take to the next level. So
they'll be bristling with the fact that they're behind in
the series in a big way.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
So Tom Blundell and Glenn Phillips will resume today one
ninety eight for five with that lead of three hundred odd.
What will or what should the batting plan be for
New Zealand today.

Speaker 17 (01:35:14):
A good question.

Speaker 24 (01:35:16):
Glenn Fillip doesn't look like he has quite worked out
how to play the spinners in these conditions yet, so
in my own mind, I'm a little torn if he
doesn't back his defense. He seems to be going back
onto the back foot a lot, which is not the
way to play the spins over there. So maybe it
is that aggressive try and go out there and get

(01:35:36):
to the bowlers before they get you. If he can
get thirty or forty along with Blundle getting another twenty
or thirty, then you know New Zealand will have a
total they will feel they can and should win with.
So it's all about the approach more than anything. How
are you going to score your runs? The sweep shots,
the square the wickets have been the one that have
done well so far. But you know you've got to

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look at Glen Phillips. You can just see that he's
a little torn in his own mind about how he's
going to do it. But this partnership is a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Indeed. Questions for a few on text actually Scott from
Jeff what would be better winning a Test series in
India or winning a Test series in Australia?

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:36:13):
What a question?

Speaker 24 (01:36:15):
Can I say?

Speaker 10 (01:36:16):
Both?

Speaker 24 (01:36:16):
Both would be amazing?

Speaker 11 (01:36:17):
That I think I think.

Speaker 24 (01:36:19):
I think I think Australia is solely because of how
how close we are and all the rivalries we have,
and then every sport that we play to beat them
over there would be incredible. I think Australia in their
home conditions have just been.

Speaker 17 (01:36:32):
So good for decades.

Speaker 24 (01:36:35):
I would pick Australia slightly, but only slightly because India,
with the way they're dominating the world game, the talent
they have over there, they do have a lot of
respect for New Zealand cricket both on and off the field.
They really do. So they won't mind losing to us.
They'll prefer that to say, losing to Australia. They sort

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of treat us as well as the little brother or
the or the nice bread if you like, in India.
You know, so, I think I think I'd still go
with Australia, just solely because of our history in tradition
and sport.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
All right, maybe we can get both over the next
couple of years. And you, obviously, you're obviously part of
that team. As I mentioned at the top of the
chat that got the the series, the two drawn Test
matches at the back end of two thousand and three,
you got a got one hundred and Mohalley one of
your five Test centuries. Where does that rate among the
innings that you played.

Speaker 24 (01:37:25):
Oh, to be honest, I don't really think about those
sorts of things too much. Look, any any test hundred
is amazing. I think about their test more for the
fact that we that was I was betting with Mark
Richardson when he had that cramp episode. Everyone to make
a mickey that was that was that Test match where
you know he carried on like a screaming file.

Speaker 10 (01:37:52):
So that was that.

Speaker 14 (01:37:52):
I remember you remember the.

Speaker 24 (01:37:53):
Funny things from games, not so much your own your
own performance. I mean, yes, you you prow of course
if you've done well. But from that, I think we
also fielded for two and threecorded days in a row
because we and you follow on and therefore that was
probably I remember that because of the biggest stint in
the field two hundred and seventy overs or thereabouts in

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the field in a row, which is just brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
And that, yeah, absolutely, because I think what you guys
got six hundred and twenty for five or six declared,
didn't you? And then yeah you what the bottom out
for four hundred and then forced to follow on. Man,
that is tough all that time out in the field.
But it must be. I mean India, we know we
were from from watching on and you've been there a
lot of times. They just absolutely adore their cracket, don't
they like more than we can probably comprehend.

Speaker 24 (01:38:42):
Yeah, it's rugby in this country. On another level, I
spend probably three months a year there due to the
commentary that I do over that part of the world,
and it's an awesome part of the word. I mean,
India is just a terrific place. Love going there. It's
certainly not a chore like it used to be for
you know, the guys in the fifty seventies eighties, where
everything was third world. You know, India is certainly a

(01:39:05):
lot of first world about it now, so it's easy
for the players and it makes it great because you
get the different culture, you get the different religions and languages,
all of that, and then of course their love for
the game of cricket and they just really do have
a hero culture, hero mentality for their cricketers, both the
domestic guys and the international players that come across. So

(01:39:28):
it's a it's a great thing to experience as a player,
and the IPI certainly has been front center of that.
It's just such a massive tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Good Man Scott always left chatting cricket with you, mate,
Thanks for taking our.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
Call any times, all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Right, Jeers mat that Scott stars former international, hugely respected commentator.
Now as you say, three months a year he spends
up in India commentating, so knows the conditions really well? Man,
I don't know it, just well it does. It feels
as though we're a real chance, doesn't it. I mean,
we're miles ahead in this Test match after and there's

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so much of it to go. We've only had two days.
We are three hundred ahead with five second innings wickets
in hand without wanting to jinx us, and Mike has
already sent a text, stop jinxing us, Jason, do not
talk up New Zealand cricket because we know it will
end in tragedy and disappointment. Negs Mike. I didn't I

(01:40:22):
was quite so powerful, but I know.

Speaker 9 (01:40:24):
What you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
But don't you think this is a brilliant opportunity for us?
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's take a
couple of calls on the cricket. If you watched it yesterday,
will you like me watching Mitchell Santner going what is happening?
Because much as Scotty was saying, and quite rightly, his
extra height was obviously a factor there yesterday in Poune.

(01:40:47):
I mean, Mitchell Santa has been playing Test cricket for
a long time and I've never seen him do that.
I've never seen him bowl like that with such you know,
with every ball seemingly that possibility of taking a wicket.
His best figures before yesterday in Test matches were were
three in an innings. He'd never before taken more than

(01:41:10):
three wickets in a Test innings, so seven in an
innings is almost beyond comprehension. I saw on social media
yesterday a lot of people were putting up a quote
that was attributed to Ian Smith. And I don't know
when he made this, when he made this assertion, but
he basically said Mitchell Santner is not a threat with

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the red ball. He is not a Test match spinner.
And look, I don't know Mitchell Sander at all, but
looking at his demeanor, I wouldn't imagine that he would
take much notice of things like that. But clearly yesterday
he was a threat. I mean verat Coley. You know,
terrible shot that he got out to Coley, came out
there with intent, it was obvious to look to try

(01:41:52):
and dominate, and he just swung across the line and
completely missed a straight full toss. So we're not going
to do that again, as Scotty Styra said, you know
they're a good team. You know, Rowat, Shalma Shulman, Gill,
Resharb pant Ravendra Jadasia. They can all bat. They can
all bat, So maybe we do need a lot more.

(01:42:18):
But that's the thing. We're three hundred for three hundred ahead,
we're five down. Glenn Phillips is in. We know what
kind of batter he is and as Scott he said,
he's probably going to go for it rather than try
and poke around and sort of negotiate the spinners. He's
probably going to go for it. So look, even if
he gets a quick thirty or forty. Tom Blundell, I
know he's been He hasn't had the best of times recently,

(01:42:40):
but he's thirty not out, so he's been there for
a bit. We've got Mitchell Santa to come. We know
he can bat. Then we're down to tim southy Ajas Hotel, willow'
rourke will sell there. It could be anything, couldn't it.
He got sixty in the first Test. Could be anything.
But we'll wait and see. But how many would we
need for you to be comfortable? I mean, there's no
need to declare. We've only had two we haven't had

(01:43:03):
two days. No, I'm just I'm starting to get a
bit excited about it. There's heaps of sport onto because
this will start at what four thirty five o'clock this afternoon.
Got the All Blacks a bunch of a league football
tonight that I'll be keeping tabs on. Yeah, I don't know, Rich.
We could win a Test series in India, Mate, we

(01:43:24):
could win a series in India.

Speaker 7 (01:43:29):
I think someone needs to pinch me to see if
are still still in a dream pointing.

Speaker 9 (01:43:33):
I know I'm the same.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
What were you thinking when you were I mean you've
watched a lot of cricket. What were you thinking when
you were watching Mitchell Satner run through India yesterday?

Speaker 7 (01:43:43):
I think I asked my fiance to try and slap
me in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
You know, I'm sure she would have obliged.

Speaker 16 (01:43:54):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 7 (01:43:55):
I mean when you looked at that quote from Ian Smith,
I mean it was pretty clear that, you know, before
this happened, that there was a lot of critics out
against Mitchell Satner. I mean, you know before that ty
serious US best figures were three for thirty three or
three for thirty four or something. But you know, there's
been a long time where it's kind of like, oh,
when are we actually going to show some sort of

(01:44:17):
dominance over in the subcontinent, And you know from what
we did in Sri Lanka. It's India. I mean, I
mean we were talking about this before they left and
the amount of the amount of preparation they had, and
then it's like, what's going on here, Bonie? This isn't
this is just just incredible. I mean I saw a
tweet before saying is what if we win this Test series?

(01:44:41):
It's this better than the one that India beat when
they bet Australia after we bowled out thirty six and
they still won two to one in Australia. Yeah, I
mean when the last time a country beat India and
India you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Know, twenty twelve. It was twenty twelve. I checked that. Actually,
yet they haven't lost at home for over for well
well over a decade, twelve years since they lost a
series at home. And as you say, Rich, I mean
for it to be us off the back of a
ver very mediocre series in Sri Lanka, it's really really
hard to get your head round.

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
Yeah, it's amazing too that with the amount of stats,
they were talking about how many runs we were scoring
from sweeping the ball. Yeah, it was just it was
just and when we Latham and when we went out
there yesterday and the second innings, that just I don't know,
it just looked like we weren't going to just sit
there and wait to get out. We were just rotating
the strike and stuff and just seeing the run stick

(01:45:33):
over and it's like, yeah, I know the condition of
the ball, but it's like we're batting now, so it's
just the same pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
But yeah, I thought, I love the intent from Tom Latham.
We've always said, you know that he's a good player
of spin. But his scores on the series up till
yesterday were fifteen, nought and fifteen, so he hadn't batted
well in the first three innings, but then he swept
and reverse swept. He's clearly added that to his red
ball game. I thought that that eighty six he got,
I mean, in the context of the game, that's one fifty.

Speaker 9 (01:46:03):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:46:05):
I'm not sure what's going on with India at the moment.
There's just nothing seems to be going their way. But
you know, the thing is dead pointing. When I watched
them play against being the desk before the series. Some
of their top quarter was very hit and miss and
just kind of wondering where you know that they certainly
aren't down on confidence and it's not going to be
good for them if they lose the Test series with

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them going to Australia over for Christmas New Year period.
So I don't know. I was talking to a couple
of minutes this morning and thinking of what kind of
lead do we want to mean? I'd love us to
see if Bitch had another hundred, so we've got four
hundred runs on them, you know, So yeah, it will
be interesting. But hey, dreams are free in this one

(01:46:46):
is actually real, So.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Yes, exactly. Your fiancee can stop slapping you on the face.
You are awake, my friend, and always good to you.
Thanks for calling. In half past two news talks there
b eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's talk some
cricket back after.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
This Wine Crouch Hold engaged Weekend Sports with Jason Hyde
and GJ Gunnos New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
So I was trusted Old News Talk Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
Twenty seven to three talking about a cricket with New
Zealand on the verge. Well are we on the verge
or are we are we closing in? Are we are
we in? I think we're in a good position to
win a Test series in India for the first time, Dave,
How do you write our chances?

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
I reckon one hundred percent chance of winning. And plus
we've had the preparation. We've got a couple of good
spin coaches that they've got Sarah Lincoln's help them with
the plot playing and spinner as well too as well.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Yes, I've got Ranganahratha's over there helping with the opportunity
of helping with the bowling mainly, but also yeah, how
to play spin.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
Yes, I had to stay spin, which is a good thing.
And plus they're positive and they were getting better all
the time, and I think they were und presented. And
they've got thretty good spinners as well, the bat and
that can bowl and bundle batty positive and the basement
and and to beat India in their own own conditions

(01:48:09):
in as well. And they've got without gunpires as well,
four rifles of that umpire as well, don't it which
is yes, it's really positive.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Yeah, everything's really set up, Dave, Everything is really set up.
You made some great points there.

Speaker 7 (01:48:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Look, Tom Blundel and Glenn Phillips are both recognized batsman.
I think you'd definitely say that we know that that
Mitchell Saton they can hold about as well. He got
thirty three in the first inning. So look, even if
they can somehow eke out another one hundred runs for
the for the you know, for the back end of
the innings, four hundred ahead, that's a lot. That's a
lot of runs to play with with a lot of

(01:48:47):
time left, you have to think would be a magnificent
chance he'll be high.

Speaker 10 (01:48:54):
Hi hi yah.

Speaker 15 (01:48:55):
I'm going to take my head off to the boys.
But they are going so well. And is it McLean
who's been teaching the fielding? McLean, who's actually coaching the
actual fielding of them?

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
It's a very good question. Alby. I'm not sure who
the fielding coaches right now is.

Speaker 15 (01:49:20):
Interviewed this morning by I was on the radio. But
each person has got their own coach, and it's terrifical
they're doing, you know, yeah far ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:49:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
That's I keep looking at the school board and thinking,
you know, it's almost after two days, how advanced the
tease matches. It's incredible.

Speaker 15 (01:49:49):
It is absolutely when they goen head lot with rain
and stuff on the South Hold and probably the Northland,
but over there they're just killing it.

Speaker 10 (01:50:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Yeah, it's it is. It's so good to watch Alby,
It's so good to watch just on rang Ganaharraf.

Speaker 10 (01:50:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Mitchell Sentner after the day's play yesterday spoke about his influences.

Speaker 25 (01:50:13):
Yeah, Rogan has been. He's been really good. Obviously in
Sri Lanka and now here he's you know, he took
wickets all over the place and yeah, I think he was,
I guess a master of that kind of change in
pace and that guile and you know, just I guess
working with him as a not just me as a
as a spinbolic unit.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
It's been. It's been really good.

Speaker 25 (01:50:34):
It's fishy, and I guess conditions that we're not too
you know, similar to you know, back home that might
be kind of that forty five seen majority of the
time and try to get some bounce, but over here
it's playing with the seam angle a little bit more
and you know, getting one to stay down or want
to bounce up.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
And also from Mitchell Center here he is talking about
getting rid of Rack Coley with a full toss.

Speaker 25 (01:50:57):
Yeah, I think I was a more of a shock
getting cold out with a full toss. He hasn't usually
missed it. I think it was it was slightly slower
through the air. I just tried to change it up
a little bit. But usually if you bowl those, they
go for six. But yeah, I think there was obviously
a little bit there which was which was nice. And
I think the change of pace was, you know, was

(01:51:18):
it was key today and then I think you know
the ns boles and the seconds, I thought they'd bowl,
you know, pretty good areas with change of pace. I
think you know, the guys got there, the sweeps out
and you know, as a bowler, when guys are sweeping
it can be quite legally ahead times, but you know
they are a little bit unlucky at times as well,
a few few nerts, a few umpires calls and stuff.

(01:51:40):
So I think it's one of those surfaces where you know,
if there is a partnership, you're not that far away
if you can get one and try go quit bang
bang quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
That is Mitchell Santa talking after the days play yesterday.
So we'll get back underway at around four thirty this
afternoon or thereabouts. New Zealand resume one ninety eight for
five with Tom Blundell and Glenn Phillips together at the crease.
That is a lead currently of three hundred and one
runs with five second innings wickets in hand. The LA

(01:52:10):
Dodgers have taken a one nill lead over the New
York Yankees, top of the sixth In Game one of
the World Series Bunnings MPC Grand Final this afternoon sky
Stadium is Wellington against Bay of Plenty. Where will take
you to sky Stadium and check them with our commentary
team to set the scene. Right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Most trusted home builder news Dogs MB nineteen away from
three to five past three is kickoff at sky Stadium
and the Bunnings MPC Final for twenty twenty four. The
home side, the Wellington lines up against the Bay of
Plenty Steamers. Full live commentary on Goldsport and iHeartRadio with
Ross Bond, Shannon Pucku and Matt Buck. Two of the
three are with us now as Shannon Puck who's stuck

(01:52:57):
in traffic or something?

Speaker 8 (01:52:58):
Boys, Yeah, I think he is, Piney. He's just timing
his run as he used to do, coming in for fullback.
He sees the mall's been taken, the line out drives
on and he's actually I think he's dropped a boot
at the back. He's just stopped to put his boots
back on before he enters the line, timing.

Speaker 9 (01:53:14):
Poor Puck?

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Who poor?

Speaker 9 (01:53:17):
He does?

Speaker 8 (01:53:18):
Tell me he knows who the teams are? Well, that's
a bloody good starters, both, Piney.

Speaker 26 (01:53:22):
Just before we get into the rugby, have you found
out who the fielding coach for the black Caps is?

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
I think it's James Foster. You need to turn your
microphone on as well. Matt Barker you if you wanted
to join in the conversation. But I think it's James Foster.
I think he is the fielding coach for the black Caps.
Can you give us an idea what the weather is
like today?

Speaker 10 (01:53:39):
For this one?

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
It's wet, as simple as that.

Speaker 26 (01:53:43):
Can you hear me? Pony?

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
This time got you this time? Matte?

Speaker 9 (01:53:45):
Yes? Beautiful?

Speaker 26 (01:53:46):
Yeah, yeah, Look, we've Bondie and high Beat here for
about an hour we were down at ground level taking shelter.
The rain came through quite heavy when both teams arrived
at the ground. The wind slide away, which is a
good thing, but it continues to drizzle at the moment.
Heavy showers our forecast. But I don't think it'll affect
the BONDI too much. We've seen a lot of both
teams working very hard at looks what looks like line

(01:54:07):
out and driving play. Both these coaches known for that.
But yeah, I think that like always Piney, you know,
that's ground as well as anyone sky stadium in beautiful condition,
so a bit of rain won't hurt.

Speaker 8 (01:54:17):
Yeah, Piney, I think there's the old swirling wind around.
We were in the hutch talking to Bernie Upton, the
Wellington lineout coach, and he was saying, it's quite funny.
There's a little bit of breeze over in front of
the tunnel where the players come out onto the park,
then down in sort of the other corner, the hot
Valley end of the stadium. In the middle there was
really no wind whatsoever, so just a typical sort of
swirly breeze in and around, and it's a pretty light

(01:54:39):
one at that it's gloomy overhead. It's in fact, I
wouldn't be surprised they turned the lights on shortly. To
be fair, the rain wasn't forecast to come to four o'clock,
so clearly that they haven't read the forecast. The rains
come early. It is just a little bit will make conditions.
I guess a little bit greasy on top. And Bernie
Upton quote was a little bit concerned about that. Wellington

(01:54:59):
wanted to play that width game and he said this
will sort of change things a little bit. I don't
think Richard Allen what at the other end, is too
concerned about. That's because the Bay of Plenty Steamers boys
have been doing a lot of lineouts and a lot
of line out drives.

Speaker 9 (01:55:12):
So I'm packing.

Speaker 8 (01:55:12):
They ould a stick skipper Eckland in the boot. They'll
throw it to Nitara Khoi and they'll roll their sleeves
up and roll up and down the stadium. So yeah,
it's we've had a lot worse conditions. It is actually
really warm, which is quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
That's good, good to hear. Jackson Garden Baship returns after
missing the semi final with a hamstring injury. Bucky I
heard you on the radio yes to say you were
concerned about how quickly he had come back from a
hamstring injury. Can you see him out there? Is he
running freely? Yeah, he's out there.

Speaker 26 (01:55:40):
He's been out for a while. Actually, most of the
guys only arrived on the field probably about twenty five
minutes ago. He was out a bit earlier. I was
vocal both yesterday and today saying I thought a hamstring
was normally about twenty one days. But he's come back.
I spoke to Orlando on the All Sports Bridge this morning.
He said that he wouldn't be playing if he wasn't
needed or wasn't fit. So they have trust in Jackson

(01:56:03):
Garden baship. Of course, Pineans' one hundredth game very special
occasion for him, and he'll be out there to run
the cut of bond of You're pretty comfortable that he'll
be right and you'll see the game out. What we
did discuss yesterday, though, I think with you Piney was
he plays big minutes, so he plays the full eighty normally.
I wonder whether today he might play sixty or seventy.

Speaker 8 (01:56:21):
Yeah, they've got Harken on the bench as a backup
I guess they've also got young Stanley Solomon, who's played
a favorite of Code.

Speaker 9 (01:56:27):
At ten as well, so they got cover there. Look.

Speaker 8 (01:56:29):
I saw j GP two weeks ago, the day after
he did it out at the Kilbernie Aquatic Center. He
had the kids in the swimming pool. I was just
walking past, getting a coffee, as you do, and he
was pretty confident he'd be right by the time the
final came. Piney, I'm just looking at him running around
down in front of us. There is no heavy strapping,
no bandaging at all on the leg. So that's a

(01:56:50):
great sign. And I said to Bucky this morning, you
know last weekend in the semi final, he was out
here with the warm up sort of kicking and taking
the high ball. Say, I think he was pretty much
right last weekend. I think the key position in the
other guy. I've been really impressed, and I know what
he has been to with the way Caleb Trusk has
come back into this bay of plenty Steamer's side.

Speaker 9 (01:57:12):
These conditions will suit him.

Speaker 8 (01:57:14):
He is an outstanding general and mover of a team
around a park, and this little bit of sort of
drizzle and start will suit Truss down down to the
tee I reckon and he'll be a key player.

Speaker 9 (01:57:24):
The tens will have a key component and key role
in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
I feel like the twelves and thirteens might as well. Guys,
and I'll get your view on this. Higgins who's been
excellent for Wellington. Peter Rumunger Jensen also back for Wellington.
But then willis Hala Halo and in Mornie Nudaway at
center for Bay of Plenty. How do you see that
match up playing out?

Speaker 9 (01:57:42):
Yeah, I'll go quickly first.

Speaker 8 (01:57:44):
Higgins and Umunger Jensen are a different twelve thirteen combination,
I guess than what the Bay of Penny Steamers bring.
Higgins has been sort of in and around the mister
fixer in that Wellington back line. Umunga Jensen coming back
is a big bonus.

Speaker 9 (01:57:58):
For the Lions. He was very good in the quarter
final when he came on, he carried strongly.

Speaker 8 (01:58:03):
He's a Knox to try and stop when he goes
Forwardiggins is more the ballplayer. Hella Hollow has that ability,
but Narrower and Halle Hollo for me are more ballplayers.

Speaker 9 (01:58:13):
Narrower coming in off the wing.

Speaker 8 (01:58:16):
He's been outstanding at the Tower on and Domain this
year sort of slicing defenses apart, so he had two
different sort of midfield Bucky again. I guess the drizzly
stuff might set the Wellington pairing a bit more.

Speaker 26 (01:58:26):
Yeah, I think we spoke of it last week Piney
and commentary Bondie and I that Higgins sort of sometimes
when he goes away from that hard running, straight sort
of rugby, can sort of put him off his going game.
But when he plays hard and goes to the line
hard and straight, he's very very good. Hollo Hollo is
a lot the same, and so I was Umonger Jensen.
But as Bondie says, Nadawa's got that X factor about him.

(01:58:49):
He can cut you the ribbons. He has an all
black Remember he's got guys like Leroy Carter and Rhon
Paul outside him. So in one breath you say, you know,
we've watched the warm up. We know what Richard what
and how he coaches a lot of ecklin to our coil.
Let's set out the drive and go. But I wouldn't
be surprised early, Bondie if they show a bit, show
their cards and kick a bit and played territory. But

(01:59:11):
then give the backs an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
All right, Duplessi kadif we know was out for a
long time with a broken jaw that he suffered against
Unawoud two back in time for the quarterfinal and last
weekend semi final, Bondie. How big an influence do you
perceive Duplessi Kardifi has on this Wellington side.

Speaker 8 (01:59:27):
About Everest, Probably as big as you can have an
influence on any sporting team. There was two or three
key moments last weekend in the semi final.

Speaker 9 (01:59:36):
There was the.

Speaker 8 (01:59:37):
Driving tackle that caused a turnover that I just about
lost my lungs doing commentary on in the second half.
Then there was two turnovers about that followed quickly after that.
He is just monumental within this line setup. And if
you talk to the boys themselves, they say, and they'll
openly say, they are a different team when he's on

(01:59:59):
the field. I mean he's Look, he's a There's different
types of leaders, different types of captains. There's those that
you know don't speak to much, and that's follow me.
Then there's the others who do a lot of it
with their talking. He's both and I thought his postmatch
interview last weekend with Bucky after was one of the
probably the best I've heard in twenty eight years of
doing this. Just the way he galvanizes that team, the

(02:00:23):
way he speaks to the referees. We know he's had
his credits in the past, He's given away a lot
of penalties. He seems to have sorted that out in
his game. But just his physical presence, I mean, a
guy that dead lifts. What he does in the gym,
it's scary to watch, and he's scary on the field
at the moment too.

Speaker 26 (02:00:38):
You've also got to remember Piney that Clayton McMillan is
yet to name an All Blacks fifteen captain, and if
you look through that list, kreif, he's probably your perfect
example or put the guy who stands out to be
the leader of that All Black fifteen which heads out tomorrow.
But I agree with everything Bondie says. He's the ignition
in this team. He plays to the line a bit.

(02:01:00):
He gave away a penalty I think when we commentated,
and you know Keith was refereeing, but you knew he
didn't mind giving that penalty away bond Piney because he
knew he was in the game and the referee UW
was in the game and the other team years in
the game, so he is fizz for this one. He
also spoke Bondie after the game last week about he
went to the team huddle and said that it should
be a privilege for you all to play in a

(02:01:20):
game like that last week against wak Cattle because it
was worth warfare, wasn't it? And he said every player
should be should be thinking the like of stars that
they played in that game.

Speaker 9 (02:01:28):
Finally, like all good fallbacks, Puck who's now just into
the back line. He's arrived.

Speaker 8 (02:01:32):
He's arrived into the commentary box. So we're now a three.
We're not a two where or three? So you can
you can ask him a question if you want to.
He's he's standing out in the jockey position ready to
come into the back line and he.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
Always inserts himself with great dominance. I've learned about Shannon
park Who over the years. Pucked is good to have
you as part of our commentary this afternoon. You'd have
Wellington winning this one. What unders i'd imagine. Well, it's
quite interesting.

Speaker 27 (02:01:55):
I sat down going through the stats over the last
couple of days and it's true if you went off
the stats alone, I think I'd be putting my money
on Bay of plenty. But considering that, I think the
lines have that have gone through their dip the season,
so at home it's gonna be pretty tough, but I've
got it as a fairly balanced contest this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
All right, looking forward to your core boys.

Speaker 9 (02:02:17):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Indeed, that is Sannon Parker's voice alongside Ross Bond in
commentary with Matt buck Down on the sideline and the
famous Blue Jacket. You can hear those boys on on
You can hear those boys on Gold Sport and Nightheartradio
from just after three o'clock this afternoon with a full
match commentary. Don't forget, of course, we also have All
Blacks commentary for you tonight, All Blacks of Japan. Our
build up starts at six here on News Talks head

(02:02:39):
beg with kickoff scheduled for around ten to seven. Nine
to three News Talks head be analyzing every view from
every angle in the Sporting World.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
Weekend Sport with Jason Fine call always hundred and eighty
and eighty News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Five and a half to three. That's us on Weekend
Sport for today, Tim beverage after three, but then my
back at six. Looking forward to coming back at six
o'clock tonight. Here on News Talk's head B for build
up towards the Test match All Blacks Japan, Elliot Smith
and Gregor Paul have the call. Kickoff is scheduled for
around ten to seven, give or take a middle or two,
so we'll build up for forty five minutes, then throw

(02:03:14):
it over to the boys and they can bring you
the All Blacks tenth Test Match of twenty twenty four
here on News Talk SEB. Also Gold Sport and iHeartRadio
Bunning's MPC if you're looking for that once again Gold
Sport and iHeartRadio. That game underway in around ten minutes
from now, and we're back tomorrow on Weekend Sport. We'll
break down the Test match. We'll also talk some Test
cricket with you, depending on what happens. Are on day

(02:03:36):
three in poone. We've got some rugby league as well,
with that double header in christ Church tomorrow and Auckland
FC with their second game in the A League MENS
against Sydney FC tomorrow at four. Thanks for listening this afternoon, Hughes.
Thanks to Anna McDonald for manning the phones and for
producing the show. What is our exit song today?

Speaker 26 (02:03:55):
Mate?

Speaker 28 (02:03:55):
Well, this serves this sort of a reminder to me.
I imagine you saw the news of Metallica returning to
New Zealand next year, and I've playing the song into
sand Man just so I remembered by its gets for
my missus who wants to go. So it's a it's
a memory jogging thing. I think they go on sale next.
I know, I don't need to be promoting the town.
Actually don't buy them, so I have a better chance

(02:04:16):
of getting to backfired and entirely.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
Back far in spectacular fashion. But I don't mind the
choice of song. All right, We'll see you guys at
six tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
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