James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss the All Blacks losing to England, the Springboks beating out England, Tim Southee's retirement and Jake Paul's victory over Mike Tyson.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Bene
from News Talk ZB Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mean James mcconey, Hello mate.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hi Pony.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm good, I'm good. What did you What did you
take them? What say say that again? All that stuff, Bud,
your boncois all of those things. What did you take
away from What did you take away from the Test
match this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I enjoyed the Test match. I thought it was a
great game. I think that's the general consensus. I thought
it was scrappy though, but definitely good for world rugby.
Probably helped Antoine DuPont with given that he's been seemed
to be anointed with goat status already, but cam Rouga
definitely challenged him because I thought he was the best
(00:58):
on the field for the All Blacks while he was
out there, and overall, I don't think. I think it's
just a case of our luck running out. We had
lack against them, you know, George Ford hit in the
post with that penalty, and in this situation we just
you know, our luck ran out.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah. I think that's a pretty good summation read you
know it was.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I've said a couple of times this afternoon, if you weren't,
if you weren't, if you didn't have any skin in
the game, and you just watched it as a as
a as a test match. So that was a you know,
that was an entertaining eighty minutes. I thought it was
a good game.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yes, And look the other thing is there were some
the benefits for the All Blacks I think are immense.
So Peter Larco announced himself as a proper test player
and in his exceptional had to come on in the
second minute when pour O Summer Penny Fee now also
known as Buffy, the first five Slayer had to had
to go off injured. So seeing Larko out there was great.
(01:52):
But and Artie was exceptional. You could see he's decided, right,
I've got to leave from the front here. But you
still miss Sam Caine. And the reason why is because
our rock ball wasn't clean. And I think there was
a close up shot of the Mighty Williams looking around
perplex going where are my cleaners? Where are the guys
(02:12):
cleaning out this ruck? You know, he presented perfect ball,
and I think that's where you actually do miss someone
like Sam Kaine.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
No A good point. B. Is he definitely out next week?
Could he play one more test for the all Blacks
I have ever heard You might not know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
No, I don't know, but I mean I'd like to
see him get one last hurrah if that's going to
be for Sam Kine. There are a couple of points
pointing and I'm not sure maybe some of your listeners
have raised this, but I thought that all Blacks under advantage.
I've always felt this, we should be throwing the kitchen
sink at them, you know, like, as soon as there's
a penalty advantage, why not break open the glass with
(02:49):
your emergency back on move that you wouldn't normally use.
It should be razzle dazzle because you're getting a penalty anyway.
And to see his pick and go and then come back,
you know, back to where they were, Like, you're expending
so much energy doing that, you might as well have
tried something. I mean, you might as well on the
end goal, right, Yeah, that's the case, yep. And then
(03:09):
the other point was the before halftime. I think Bowden
took a forty meter drop goal and we were I
think we had retreated twenty five meters, so we were
up Byver twenty two, which would have been a good
place to have taken their drop goal. But for some
reason it's sort of like we just went, oh, well,
we couldn't break through and now it's just try it
from here. And I think maybe that just the planning
(03:30):
in those situations would have been good. And plus they've
got one more note here. Back line moves they're not
really working. I counted clean breaks made. There were two
by Tomighty Williams and maybe one by Roy Guards. You know,
so there's a few work ons.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, no, absolutely there are work ons. Did you catch
any of the England South Africa game that preceded this one?
I kind of had half an eye on it. So
the Abriga winning at twenty nine twenty so that's back
to back losses for England at Twickenham, which I think
we can all probably have a little smile about that.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Did you catch any of this game?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I did see it, and I saw it. Cheslyn Colby
is still exceptional and tormenting England like he did in
that World Cup final in twenty nineteen. But what it
says to me is that I think Rassi Rasmus is
trying to do a bit of a Donald Trump here
and make South African rugby great again in between World Cups,
because before there always was a hangover period for South
(04:27):
Africa when you know, for some reason you could just
get a win over them, and you wonder what happened
to the South Africa of a hold. Whereas I feel
like Rassi is pretty much going around saying we're number
one and we're going to prove it every single time,
which is and frances is kind of doing the same,
which is good to see. Really, I don't think I've
(04:49):
ever seen the top five of world rugby be this
competitive for a long time.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, And Australia will hope to rejoin that kind of
conversation at some point. They've got Wales tomorrow morning, who
are terrible. The Wallaby should win this one, I think
their firm favorites and Cardiff. But of Suali has been
after his very impressive debut, Josh Mitz put him on
the reserves.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Bend. What did you make of his debut and what
did you make of that decision?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, one of the great debuts the matter of the
match that took in him in that victory. I mean
he is a freaky six foot four six foot five.
I think about your hype pint, he can run a
bit faster than you, and he's just an incredible athlete
who there was a big battle when he was a
schoolboy whether he go to union or league, and he
(05:36):
went to league and that's probably helped him in a
lot of ways, you know, with the being in a
professional environment straight away, the conditioning they do and try
and get him up to speed. But I think he
could be the greatest convert, if you can really call
him a league convert. I think he could be the
greatest because for Australia, I mean, flow was probably equally
(05:56):
great in both codes. He might be the greatest, But
I always felt like Wendel's sailor loding to carry all
those other ones that came across, even Brad Thorne say
his body of work and the league was was almost equal,
if not better to rugby. So now I think this
is this, you know, it's a superstar is born really
(06:17):
with Joseph sol And and I'm also thinking, well, our
I'm Joseph, Joey Marno has switched to rugby, and so
how long will it take for him to get in there?
I did mention back on moves and and lack of
penetration there in the midfield. Maybe Joseph Marny could get
a shot in the near future.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Do you remember that guy Ian Crossham who played for
Southland for a bit Bay of plenty and then went
across and played for south.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And Cronella exactly, He gave it a nudge that the
players going in the other direction. It's I mean, Scott
Goolay didn't remember there's a shoe. I mean, I mean
there's there's there's a lot of that sort of go
either way. But look, I think surely he is probably
gonna if he can eclipse Flowers body of workers. Impressive,
but I think so early he looks like he could
(07:04):
do it. He could be in the greatest congres.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm not sure why Crossing popped into my head. Actually,
that's very it's a very niche, very niche reference.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
When we're talking rugby union, rugby league, conferts Daryl Halligan.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Obviously one other great of course.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Of course, of course, Hey, there was a boxing fight
it was about yesterday between a YouTube and a fifty
eight year old.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, unfortunately I did. I didn't want to. But as
soon as I saw that shot of Mike Tyson and
a G string. Somehow it sort of lured me in.
I just don't know why what's going on, but I
saw him and it was It was on the ACC
of course Alternative Commentary Collectives social media page, so I thought,
I'll get on Netflix and have a look. And like everybody,
(07:46):
I thought, Tyson nesa win it in the first round
or you know, early in the second, or it's all
over and it was all over just a points decision.
But I think it's anti sport to me. I don't
think it's just really a circus side show. And just
in terms of being fifty eight, I mean, I'm not
fail off that myself. But can you remember when George
(08:06):
Form came back, when he made his has comeback in
nineteen eighty seven, he was thirty eight, and everybody thought
that was old. You know, Yeah, it's just fifty eight
is a bridge too far, and that there's no point
to do that if boxing what it really needs to
do is get that kind of audience for their top
(08:27):
athletes so they can feel well aggrieved that they're not
getting twenty million dollars US or forty million. Perhaps I
was talking about the purse for both fighters.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, crazy, I got about sixty seconds. Tim Saldy is
going to retire from international Test cricket after the upcoming
series against England. How will you remember him?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I remember him as someone who has exceptional got every
ounce of talent, who's sort of squeezed every ounce out
of his talent. I think he used as much as
he possibly could to get those three hundred and eighty
five Test wickets like the Pinkball Test and Eden Park
stands out. I think he just him and Trent Bolt
(09:08):
were an awesome duo. He's on the mount rushmore of
top New Zealand bowlers and good honorm he'll get a
chance to sort of bow out on his own terms.
But look, Tim Salvey is he sort of looked a
bit you know and gainly, didn't he when he first
turned up? But I think it was Ricky Ponting he
said this kid's going to be good and he was right,
(09:30):
a great seven of his Zealand cricket.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well said mate, Well said James. Great to chat as always, mate.
We'll do it again next Sunday. James mccaroney part of
our Sundays here on Newstalk s head Beast.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to news talks head be Weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Bene
from News Talk ZB Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mean James mcconey, Hello mate.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hi Pony.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm good, I'm good. What did you What did you
take them? What say say that again? All that stuff, Bud,
your boncois all of those things. What did you take
away from What did you take away from the Test
match this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I enjoyed the Test match. I thought it was a
great game. I think that's the general consensus. I thought
it was scrappy though, but definitely good for world rugby.
Probably helped Antoine DuPont with given that he's been seemed
to be anointed with goat status already, but cam Rouga
definitely challenged him because I thought he was the best
(00:58):
on the field for the All Blacks while he was
out there, and overall, I don't think. I think it's
just a case of our luck running out. We had
lack against them, you know, George Ford hit in the
post with that penalty, and in this situation we just
you know, our luck ran out.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah. I think that's a pretty good summation read you
know it was.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I've said a couple of times this afternoon, if you weren't,
if you weren't, if you didn't have any skin in
the game, and you just watched it as a as
a as a test match. So that was a you know,
that was an entertaining eighty minutes. I thought it was
a good game.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yes, And look the other thing is there were some
the benefits for the All Blacks I think are immense.
So Peter Larco announced himself as a proper test player
and in his exceptional had to come on in the
second minute when pour O Summer Penny Fee now also
known as Buffy, the first five Slayer had to had
to go off injured. So seeing Larko out there was great.
(01:52):
But and Artie was exceptional. You could see he's decided, right,
I've got to leave from the front here. But you
still miss Sam Caine. And the reason why is because
our rock ball wasn't clean. And I think there was
a close up shot of the Mighty Williams looking around
perplex going where are my cleaners? Where are the guys
(02:12):
cleaning out this ruck? You know, he presented perfect ball,
and I think that's where you actually do miss someone
like Sam Kaine.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
No A good point. B. Is he definitely out next week?
Could he play one more test for the all Blacks
I have ever heard You might not know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
No, I don't know, but I mean I'd like to
see him get one last hurrah if that's going to
be for Sam Kine. There are a couple of points
pointing and I'm not sure maybe some of your listeners
have raised this, but I thought that all Blacks under advantage.
I've always felt this, we should be throwing the kitchen
sink at them, you know, like, as soon as there's
a penalty advantage, why not break open the glass with
(02:49):
your emergency back on move that you wouldn't normally use.
It should be razzle dazzle because you're getting a penalty anyway.
And to see his pick and go and then come back,
you know, back to where they were, Like, you're expending
so much energy doing that, you might as well have
tried something. I mean, you might as well on the
end goal, right, Yeah, that's the case, yep. And then
(03:09):
the other point was the before halftime. I think Bowden
took a forty meter drop goal and we were I
think we had retreated twenty five meters, so we were
up Byver twenty two, which would have been a good
place to have taken their drop goal. But for some
reason it's sort of like we just went, oh, well,
we couldn't break through and now it's just try it
from here. And I think maybe that just the planning
(03:30):
in those situations would have been good. And plus they've
got one more note here. Back line moves they're not
really working. I counted clean breaks made. There were two
by Tomighty Williams and maybe one by Roy Guards. You know,
so there's a few work ons.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, no, absolutely there are work ons. Did you catch
any of the England South Africa game that preceded this one?
I kind of had half an eye on it. So
the Abriga winning at twenty nine twenty so that's back
to back losses for England at Twickenham, which I think
we can all probably have a little smile about that.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Did you catch any of this game?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I did see it, and I saw it. Cheslyn Colby
is still exceptional and tormenting England like he did in
that World Cup final in twenty nineteen. But what it
says to me is that I think Rassi Rasmus is
trying to do a bit of a Donald Trump here
and make South African rugby great again in between World Cups,
because before there always was a hangover period for South
(04:27):
Africa when you know, for some reason you could just
get a win over them, and you wonder what happened
to the South Africa of a hold. Whereas I feel
like Rassi is pretty much going around saying we're number
one and we're going to prove it every single time,
which is and frances is kind of doing the same,
which is good to see. Really, I don't think I've
(04:49):
ever seen the top five of world rugby be this
competitive for a long time.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, And Australia will hope to rejoin that kind of
conversation at some point. They've got Wales tomorrow morning, who
are terrible. The Wallaby should win this one, I think
their firm favorites and Cardiff. But of Suali has been
after his very impressive debut, Josh Mitz put him on
the reserves.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Bend. What did you make of his debut and what
did you make of that decision?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, one of the great debuts the matter of the
match that took in him in that victory. I mean
he is a freaky six foot four six foot five.
I think about your hype pint, he can run a
bit faster than you, and he's just an incredible athlete
who there was a big battle when he was a
schoolboy whether he go to union or league, and he
(05:36):
went to league and that's probably helped him in a
lot of ways, you know, with the being in a
professional environment straight away, the conditioning they do and try
and get him up to speed. But I think he
could be the greatest convert, if you can really call
him a league convert. I think he could be the
greatest because for Australia, I mean, flow was probably equally
(05:56):
great in both codes. He might be the greatest, But
I always felt like Wendel's sailor loding to carry all
those other ones that came across, even Brad Thorne say
his body of work and the league was was almost equal,
if not better to rugby. So now I think this
is this, you know, it's a superstar is born really
(06:17):
with Joseph sol And and I'm also thinking, well, our
I'm Joseph, Joey Marno has switched to rugby, and so
how long will it take for him to get in there?
I did mention back on moves and and lack of
penetration there in the midfield. Maybe Joseph Marny could get
a shot in the near future.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Do you remember that guy Ian Crossham who played for
Southland for a bit Bay of plenty and then went
across and played for south.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And Cronella exactly, He gave it a nudge that the
players going in the other direction. It's I mean, Scott
Goolay didn't remember there's a shoe. I mean, I mean
there's there's there's a lot of that sort of go
either way. But look, I think surely he is probably
gonna if he can eclipse Flowers body of workers. Impressive,
but I think so early he looks like he could
(07:04):
do it. He could be in the greatest congres.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm not sure why Crossing popped into my head. Actually,
that's very it's a very niche, very niche reference.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
When we're talking rugby union, rugby league, conferts Daryl Halligan.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Obviously one other great of course.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Of course, of course, Hey, there was a boxing fight
it was about yesterday between a YouTube and a fifty
eight year old.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, unfortunately I did. I didn't want to. But as
soon as I saw that shot of Mike Tyson and
a G string. Somehow it sort of lured me in.
I just don't know why what's going on, but I
saw him and it was It was on the ACC
of course Alternative Commentary Collectives social media page, so I thought,
I'll get on Netflix and have a look. And like everybody,
(07:46):
I thought, Tyson nesa win it in the first round
or you know, early in the second, or it's all
over and it was all over just a points decision.
But I think it's anti sport to me. I don't
think it's just really a circus side show. And just
in terms of being fifty eight, I mean, I'm not
fail off that myself. But can you remember when George
(08:06):
Form came back, when he made his has comeback in
nineteen eighty seven, he was thirty eight, and everybody thought
that was old. You know, Yeah, it's just fifty eight
is a bridge too far, and that there's no point
to do that if boxing what it really needs to
do is get that kind of audience for their top
(08:27):
athletes so they can feel well aggrieved that they're not
getting twenty million dollars US or forty million. Perhaps I
was talking about the purse for both fighters.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, crazy, I got about sixty seconds. Tim Saldy is
going to retire from international Test cricket after the upcoming
series against England. How will you remember him?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I remember him as someone who has exceptional got every
ounce of talent, who's sort of squeezed every ounce out
of his talent. I think he used as much as
he possibly could to get those three hundred and eighty
five Test wickets like the Pinkball Test and Eden Park
stands out. I think he just him and Trent Bolt
(09:08):
were an awesome duo. He's on the mount rushmore of
top New Zealand bowlers and good honorm he'll get a
chance to sort of bow out on his own terms.
But look, Tim Salvey is he sort of looked a
bit you know and gainly, didn't he when he first
turned up? But I think it was Ricky Ponting he
said this kid's going to be good and he was right,
(09:30):
a great seven of his Zealand cricket.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well said mate, Well said James. Great to chat as always, mate.
We'll do it again next Sunday. James mccaroney part of
our Sundays here on Newstalk s head Beast.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to news talks head be Weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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