Full Show Podcast: 24 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
MB eleven twenty nine. Welcome into an elongated weekend sports show.
I'm Jason Pine. Let's get you back to Churin before
Elliott Smith loses feeling in all of his extremities. I
remember former All Black Corey Flynn used to bring an
electric blanket along to do commentary in christ I know
you could use one of those, Elliott, great to have
you hanging around for a couple of minutes. Look, of

(00:43):
all the All Blacks tests this year, that was certainly
the most recent one. What what can we take from it?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I don't think any all honesty you can take anything
out of it, Piney, because the All Blacks selected their
first choice team and no one enhanced their claims.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
No one.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I know its scrappy, but no one de Hantstor took
away from their claims. Looking at it to twenty two
twenty five. So for the All Blacks when they selected
their first choice team by and large on Thursday, the
pressure was on to deliver a performance worthy of it
because they'd overlooked some youngsters who could really use the
game time. They didn't do that tonight. It was scrappy.
They struggled to get going. They the referee didn't help,

(01:24):
but they battled to get the game bank go and
made a lot of handling errors. And so I don't
think the All Black staff can take anything out of
it other than just trying to forget it. It won't
take part in any part of their thinking. I wouldn't
have thought as they look ahead to twenty twenty five
other than the fact you go, well, that was a
really poor performance and you can't afford to do that

(01:44):
against you know, even a team like Italy.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, but in some ways is that a bit of
a red flag? And the fact that yeah, I mean yes,
that's the end of the year and by the time
July rolls around we will have forgotten about this game
against Italy and Turin. But they should have been better,
shouldn't they?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
One hundred percent they should have been better. They were
very disappointing tonight. This was not a performance befitting of
the All Blacks first choice side, and we just heard
from Scott robertson the year before. But the handling was poor.
Yeah it's cold, he had an eye. Of course it is,
but you're handling you're a professional reggae player. The handling
I thought was blow standard. Some of the set piece

(02:20):
was and good, the scrum was good, but the line
out was a bit shaky throughout proceedings and they just
struggled to find each other on the park. They picked
this team for combinations and it looked like a team
not the first choice team. It looked like a team
that had been picked for Italy, where you'd expect some
of those combinations to be rusty that they don't have
that excuse to fall back on. So I think it

(02:42):
is a bum note tea in the All Blacks campaign.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
On okay and well over the next couple of hours,
we're going to put together raisers report card just before
you go. You can do a mark out of ten.
You can grade at the old fashioned way with an
A of B or a C. How do you rate
razes first year in charge?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Look, I'd give it a five and a half out
of ten. I think maybe verging on a six tonight's
performance probably takes a half mark off it France last
week lose by a point. If you go up to
Europe and go we're going to win two of against
the Big three and lose another by a point, you
probably would have taken that pre tour. But the Argentina

(03:21):
loss in the Capitol really stands out like a sore thumb.
They should have won one of those tests in South
Africa as well. So four defeats in the year. Yeah,
I'm probably looking at five and a half to six
out of ten for the All Blacks this year.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
All right, well, your report card is going to be
a lot higher. I'll put that together as you're on
the plane flying home, Elliott. But fourteen Test matches from
Dunedin to Turin, it's been a monster effort from you.
Go and get warm. We'll look forward to your postmatch
content coming through. But thanks so much for joining us
as always, and well done on a brilliant year.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Cheers Binney, Thank you mate.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Elliott Smith, our lead rugby commentator and rugby editor. Signing
off from Turin, he will head to the post match
press conference and find some audio and reaction for us
from that Test match in Churin. Your reaction is welcome
between now and midday. Oh eight hundred and eight ten
eighty's our number nine two nine to two on text
twenty seven away from midday. We'll also hear from assistant

(04:11):
coach at the All Blacks, Jason Ryan, inside the next
half hour. Back after this you be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
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Speaker 3 (04:27):
B And that is full time in Churin and a
year of significant change and the All Blacks comes to
a winning but largely forgettable ends in Turin full time
sport twenty nine points to eleven. The All Blacks close

(04:48):
season twenty twenty four with their tenth victory of the campaign.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
There you go. That was the full time whistle a
short time ago, the All Blacks winning at twenty nine
eleven in Turin, keeping their one hundred percent record against
Italy live seventeen test matches, seventeen wins for the All Black.
Say you've watched the game, We're going to be fill
up with calls. I know we are. After midday as
we begin to unpack this test match. If you want
to get your thoughts in early and avoid the rush,

(05:17):
as they say, then we'd be happy for you to
do that. It's an extended weekend sport today. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, you've watched the game, just
your initial thoughts, I think we can all probably agree
it wasn't one of the great rugby test matches. Not
a heck of a lot of cohesion or rhythm from
the All Blacks with ball in hand, a bit too
much kicking really for my liking, far too many stoppages,

(05:41):
too many scrum resets, and some ponderous refereeing at times
as well. I think if you were trying to convert
somebody to the game of rugby, this wouldn't be the
match that you'd have them watched back. If you'd said
this upone right, Hey, come I watch the All Blacks
final Test of the year against Italy. You know we'll
probably put a few points on them, score a few tries,

(06:03):
and you know, put already strong exclamation point on the
end of the season. I think if somebody watched that
game with you and watched rugby for the first time,
they'd probably wonder what all the fuss was about. Having
said that they've got the win and they finished their
season with a ten win four loss record. Elliot Smith

(06:24):
a short time ago gave them a five and a
half out of ten. You can grade the season if
you like on that scale marks out of ten. We
all understand that if you prefer you can you can
give it one of the old fashioned school report marks
from ABC adding a plus or a minus five and
a half out of ten. That's kind of a C minus,

(06:45):
isn't it? A C minus for five and a half
out of ten? That feels like what that is? B
plus would be a six out of ten. Anyway you
do it anyway you like. The test reminded me a
little bit actually of that two thousand and nine test
in Milan with the All Blacks beat Italy twenty points
to six and what was a pretty dour affair. That
was a bit of a reminder of that test for me.

(07:06):
Two away from midday, we'll take a break, come back
with your calls right after this nineteen away from midday
as we assess the All Blacks year after the season
ending winn and it's a Lee Tom kick us off.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah, good morning. How you guys at a marvelous job
with your Rum radio. I'm so glad I didn't Vice
this year.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well that's good to have you with us, Tom, Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
And I've stayed off year waves because I wasn't impressed
in the first two games, which I had to watch
because I was captured. I had to I was at
a pub and I was on holiday. So there the
only two games I've watched. I've listened to you guys
on air, and it is bloody marvelous. It's one of
the best ways I don't lose any time in my workday.
And and I tell you what, I wouldn't be impressed

(07:48):
if I paid for Sky this year to watch watch
the All Blacks. To be honest, what do you.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Think will be that? What do you think will be
the biggest, biggest things that occupy the minds of Scott
Robertson and his coaching staff over summer?

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Tom, you new guys, new players that can Actually we've
we've just signed off two old players which were which
of Sam Kaine has been awesome. He's a lot of
people won't agree with that, but he's been workman like
over the years, He's taken a lot of rubbish and
I've we've unearthed the odd odd couple of players. But

(08:21):
we were sold that Scott was going to be the
all singing dancing coach and I don't see it happening.
And as I say, I've reserved getting on the radio,
but man, I'm not in praiersed. We're just yeah, I
don't expect it to be flashy, flashy, but I'd expected
to be a little bit convincing in some respects and
nothing there to show that.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
All right, Tom Hay, Well, good summary from you. Thanks
for for being with us across the year. Mate. We're
going to bring you all the tests in twenty twenty
five as well, so hopefully, hopefully there'll be some improvement
in the areas that you've talked about there. What about you, Finn,
how are you feeling about the year?

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Ah?

Speaker 7 (09:00):
Probably a steve plus. It's always going to be a
difficult transition, yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
Just can't.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
Kick players aside immediately. You've got to have that transition
side and as well as bringing through some other players
and that. So yeah, it was always going to be difficult,
and I guess again everyone said it the rest of
the world is caught up and were and we've just
got to try to try to move forward. But there

(09:34):
is a question I have got for you. And I
don't profess to know all the rules of rugby, probably
no one does. But obviously from the shoulder shoulder to
the head is off limits and the neck role is
off limit.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
You can't do that.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
But how can you When you're at the defending your
try line and it's a ruck situation, that's the only
way that the defense is tackling the opposition when they
driving towards the tryline. All those tackles are around the
neck and shoulders. So how can you get away with

(10:14):
tackling like that in that situation? But not in general
in the general game overall, I.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Think it's the body position of the ball carrier fin
as the is the key factor there. You know those
those Yeah, you're right, you're still making contact with neck
and shoulders. But when a when a player is basically
horizontal like that, that's the only way, as you say,
to tackle them. I think what they're cracking down on
is when a player is running upright with the ball
and you make contact with their head with your shoulder.

(10:44):
You saw the one this morning when I think it
was Patrick t we pullot to made contact with a
with an opposing player who had been tackled and was
falling and it was just a penalty. It wasn't a
it wasn't a yellow card. So it's the position of
the bloke with the ball.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
Oh good, and shoulders just seems there. It just seems dead.
Two different rules for the for the saying thing, you know, yeah, for.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Me, yeah, it can be. It's a confusing rule book
at times, finn, I know it is. You know, we
saw we saw the even the neck roll this morning
by Scott Barren. I thought that was very soft, but
it was a yellow card, you know, another one actually
eleven this year. We can talk about discipline after midday.
Thanks for your calfin eleven forty five oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty lots of text on nine two

(11:32):
nine two. We're back after this.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason
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Speaker 2 (11:43):
They'd be coming up twelve and a half away from midday.
This is Weekend Sport, the extended edition with the all
Blacks finishing their season with a twenty nine to eleven
win over itially rachel On text four out of ten
for me for the season, Pinty finished exactly how they started.
Clunky era ridden, no cohesion, ill discipline. I don't really
feel like we developed any players apart from Satiti. Pure talent,

(12:05):
more question then answers as we hit into summer. Good summary, Rightchel,
good summary, Paul. Where are you on the scale of
of writing the Old Blacks for this year?

Speaker 9 (12:16):
Well, I'll just start with saying that I'll listen to
more than I've watched as well, So full you really
enjoyed listening to earlier's wrist and it's cool to think
a bloody read the phone book make it You're interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, you're beg on there.

Speaker 9 (12:30):
That's really good in you. You used to listen to
you with my problems and it was a really good
interview as well. So full credit the radio team. But
I think the Old Blacks just just maybe tracking along,
you know, I'll give them a sexit beast as well. Really,
it's good to see some new blocks. There's some areas
here I reckon he's struggling. Yeah, maybe he did in

(12:53):
midfield or to see it being really seedled. I know
we always sat with there and Banni, but that just
doesn't seem like it's a real well listening to me,
but he runs good their own opinion, I get even I.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Haven't look everybody and all opinions of Ellen Paul. I've
got a couple of questions about midfield as well. I
like Jordi Barrett there and in the second five jersey,
I feel like he's he's the best in that jersey.
I would love to have seen Billy prop to get
more of a go. You know, we we he was.

Speaker 9 (13:23):
The reason why he just sort of case Ford Kenyon.

Speaker 10 (13:32):
Many.

Speaker 9 (13:32):
Ricani actually speaks a lot, you know, we just said
I listened to him when I watched, but you know
sometimes in those halftime handles or you know, stoppagers in
the game, has a lot to say. So he's obviously
got a position of leadership in that team which they need.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, he's played eighty Test matches now, ricco Juani, so
he's eighty one now with today's Test. So he's been
around for a long time and I think he does
have a senior leadership role to play in that team. Yeah,
I don't know. I think if you were listening out
your players of the year, I'm not sure i'd have
Rico jo Wani and the candidates. That's not to say
he hasn't that a solid year in the in the
thirteen Jersey he's played most of the time. I think

(14:11):
eleven starts and one off the bench show. But like
I said, I next year is going to be interesting, Paul,
because Jordy Barrett's not here for Super rugby. He's going
to be playing in Ireland. So whether that whether that
effects whether he you know, gets gets all backs opportunities,
I don't think it will. I think when he comes
back he'll be probably a better player from having played
over there. So yeah, but you know, I think six

(14:34):
out I sort of around a six as well. I
think a six out of ten is where most people
will be. I think anything more than that would probably
be generous.

Speaker 11 (14:43):
Yeah, I agree this, Yeah, but I thanks later.

Speaker 9 (14:45):
That's all I already to say. And you guys ever,
they've got somewhere off for his off the rugby anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Indeed, Paul, Yeah, now bring on the cricket, mate. We'll
be here right through summer. Don't you worry about that?
Doing other things good to chat to you mate. Things Indeed,
nine to mid day we're back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
The tough Questions off the turf Weekend Sport with Jason
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
I think, but confused with the sliding scale before, with
the pluses and the minuses. Didn't I It's been so
long since I had a report card. But yeah, if
you if you're working your way down from the top,
yourd A then A minus B plus B B minus
C plus c C minus. I think that's the order,
isn't it. Anyway you could put them on a sliding scale,
it might be easy to rate them out of ten.
Not as much confusion that way.

Speaker 12 (15:31):
Hello, Phil, good A, Darcy.

Speaker 13 (15:34):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Sorry, Look, I've been called worse. I've been called worse
than my esteemed colleague. Don't you worry about that, Phil.

Speaker 11 (15:43):
Far enough bear enough.

Speaker 13 (15:45):
Yeah, I think about a sixers as probably a fair
assumption for the year. I've just finished watching the game.
I got up and watched it from start to finish.
I think it's a and yeah, it was a. It
was a scrappy game. You know, a lot of stop
and start didn't flow well on that, but I think, yeah,

(16:06):
I know it's a bit of a cliche, but I
think you've got to give a lot of credit to
the Italians as well, because they made us I think
by putting the pressure on the All Blacks, forcing those
mistakes and stopping starting, and they got to the breakdown good,
you know, when they put the pressure on us. So
I think focus a lot on Sorry, sorry Piney going in.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I was just sorry, sorry, phill I was disagreeing with
you around Italy. I think, you know, we in the
in the race to try and analyze the All Blacks.
I don't think we should forget what Italy brought. I
thought they were you know, I thought they'll look at
it and they'll think we kept you know, we kept
the All Blacks to probably one of the lower score
lines in our history. We scored a tryin near the end,
which which kind of closed the gap up a bit.

(16:50):
We competed for long periods, kept them scoreless for the
first thirty minutes of the second half. I think they'll
be pleased.

Speaker 13 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, It's not very often I would feel proud
after losing. You know, I'm thinking of if I was
an Italian supporter or even like an Italian player, and
if I'd lost, normally you were disappointed, but you'd be disappointed,
but I think also I'd feel quite proud of my
effort out on the park to hold the All Blacks

(17:18):
to that. And like you say that the last try
day that the All Blacks got, you know, it was
it was a wee bit lucky really because the Italians
tried something a bit of a speculator kick, you know,
chip kicking it backfight on them. But yeah, they will
be analyzing the poop of so called poor performance to
the All Blacks, which it was there, but I think

(17:40):
a lot of that came down to the pressure I
put on them by the Italians. When you think that they,
you know, put ninety or seventy points on them in
the past, you know, and they come back today with
that effort, then they've come a long way. And I
listened to you talk and I think was it to
the Bella Crowley.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Who Karen Crowley, yep, yep, Karon.

Speaker 13 (18:03):
Carey who coached him, you know, and he made the
point that they're up and coming, you know, and give
them a couple of World Cups, you know, because they've
got a lot of young players. I think you said
that are really tracking well and if they can find
some big boys in terms of like six foot eight
locks and maybe a couple of heavier props, you know,
because they talked about the size difference and the pots.
But having said that, I mean, they kind of played

(18:25):
pretty well I think, and holding their own as well.
I wasn't disappointed with the ref I know you said
that there was some referend decisions here that it sounds
like you didn't like.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
It wasn't It wasn't so much of the decisions.

Speaker 11 (18:38):
It was.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
It was more feel that it just it just seemed
to take ages for him to get the players to
set peace time. I thought there was a crackdown from
World Rugby that they were trying to, you know, get scrums,
set quicker, get teams to line out's quicker, that sort
of thing. I just thought he was a bit lax
on that. I thought it was too much TM interference. Again,
Phil got to go, mate, because I'm going up to

(19:00):
the news. But I appreciate your thoughts as always. Yeah,
I look, I wasn't necessarily I mean of sighting the
referee performance as such, but there were just parts of it.
Like I said at the outset of this longer show,
if you were wanting to sell Rugby to a friend
of yours who had never watched it and that was
what you showed them, I'm not sure they would be sold.

(19:23):
But then again, not every Test match is going to
be as glorious as as the ones we remember the
most fondly. We're going to have from Jason Ryan after Midday,
Paul Miller former or Black, Liam Naprier a bit later on.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
But you're the only place for the big names, the
big issues, the big controversies and if the big conversations.
It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your
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Speaker 2 (19:53):
Good afternoon, Welcome back into the Sunday edition of Weekend
Sport on News Talks. He'd be November twenty four, Happy
birthday Ian both of them. I'm Jason Pine show producer,
as Mark Kelly. We are with you until three.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
And that is full time and cheerin and a year
of significant change.

Speaker 14 (20:13):
The All Blacks comes.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Through a winning but largely forgettable ends.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yea, the All Blacks year is done and Dust had
played fourteen one ten lost four. The latest victory this
morning in Turin by twenty nine points to eleven. All
Black's assistant coach Jason Ryan is with us this hour
with his assessment. Former All Black Paul Miller joins us
with his analysis. Leading rugby writer Liam Napier after one

(20:40):
and we'll put together Razors report card for you this
afternoon for the year. How do you assess his first
year at the Helm. Your input is crucial as we
put that together other matters around today. Hayden Wilde's on
the show after two o'clock. What a year from him?
Silver medallist in triathlon at the Paris Olympic Games. He'll
reflect on twenty twenty four with us and what might

(21:01):
lay ahead for him. Both Wellington Phoenix and Auckland FC
back in a league men's action this afternoon. We'll get
you inside both camps. James mcconey as well in his
regular slot at around one forty five. The ASB Classic
is returning to Auckland this summer, and as we did yesterday,
we're going to serve up tickets again this afternoon playing

(21:22):
guess the Grunter. If you missed this yesterday and you're
wondering what on earth I'm talking about. All you have
to do is identify the grunting tennis star and you
could be courtside at the ASB Classic in January. It'll
all become clear. We'll do it in the next, in
the next, in the next hour or so. But I'm

(21:43):
just getting word that Jason Ryan is ready to chat
to us. Jason, thanks for taking our call so soon
after the final whistle? Can we start with your overall
assessment of the Test match and the All Blacks performance?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, it was pretty messy, wasn't it.

Speaker 15 (21:58):
To be fair, I thought we were Yeah, we lacked
a lot of probably quality in our skill sets, to
be honest, think there was some areas of the game
that we were good.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
But I think, you know, I just don't think we
got off to a.

Speaker 15 (22:12):
Good enough start and we weren't really where we needed
to be and which could have been potentially a little
bit of a reflection of a big fourteen test year
calendar by no means an excuse, but probably a little
bit of reality.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
So, yeah, it has been a big year. Not every
All Blacks team plays fourteen Test matches in the calendar year,
but as far as the cohesion, the execution, the rhythm
with ball in hand. Why do you think that was
so hard to come by? At times?

Speaker 15 (22:40):
It was extremely wet, a lot wetter than we've probably
prepared for. But you know, and we just we put
our skills under pressure with silly passes or offloads when
they weren't needed, and just didn't really respect the ball
as well as we could have. And we found ourselves
not been able to get through the defensive line because

(23:02):
our carry height was far too high, especially in the
first half. So it was probably a little bit of
mix of everything, and you're just a little bit messy
all around, really, But I guess the positives are we
found a way and we still won.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
But it gives us a little bit of stuff to
think about over summer. But we'll worry about that then.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
It doesn't become or does it become a rock under
the beach towel for you?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oh no, not at all.

Speaker 15 (23:29):
No, I think we you know, we can be pretty
satisfied of I think the performances that we've put together
for this whole test calendar as a whole, we can
be pretty satisfied that we've introduced probably more new all
blacks to the test arena than normal. But yeah, we've
definitely got some completion stuff that we will need to

(23:51):
work on, you know, heading into next year. But you know,
the boys can be so pretty proud that we found
a way, Like Les stated, nothing out of Italy like
they were immense and they you know, it was a
big test with them at home. They had a lot
of hurt from be the World Cup game, and it
was our prep as genuine as it could have been.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I think it definitely could have been a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
In what way.

Speaker 15 (24:17):
Or just getting up for probably the mental challenge. You know,
we've come off three huge test matches and the likes
of you know, when you when you go England, Ireland,
France and then the Italy tests might have been.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Just a a bit of an.

Speaker 15 (24:33):
Awakening for some of the guys that are getting used
to that test arena and how consistent you have to
be in your preparation every week.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
How happy were you with set Piece in particular the
scrum dominance that you had.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, it was all good.

Speaker 15 (24:49):
I think that we you know, we probably got ourselves
out of what could have been a real hole if
it wasn't for some of our scrum penalties that we won.
Line out was a little bit messy again for both
teams because just so wet the you know, the hawkers
were struggling to get that all dry in time for
both sides. You know, I think it was I don't

(25:09):
know what the stats were for both sides of the
ball with the ball in the air, but the catch
was you know, it was going through hands or it
was a late, late, little tip off and it just
wasn't as clean as it could have been. But again
due to the condition conditions. I don't know what it
looked like on the telly, but the ground was just
so wet.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, no, that wasn't obvious from watching on TV. So
that's that's interesting to hear a couple of yellow cards Jays.
Do you think either of them were a bit soft?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, I think the yeah far out.

Speaker 15 (25:43):
The crock roll one from Scooter I thought was interesting.
You know, like we were told that if you if you,
if you crock roll and land on lower limbs and
it's clear and obvious, that's that's you know, dangerous play,
which I'm not sure that was, but I understand that
they want to remove the crock rolls out of the game,
but that was more of a twist of the upper body, so.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
And Anton's one was, yeah, probably little bit messy as well.
Probably don't need to stay in there as well. So
we'll look at that.

Speaker 15 (26:13):
But again, like you know, if we're going to be
honest about that and some of our accuracy and cards
and that sort of thing, it just hasn't been as good.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
As it could be. But we'll learn from it.

Speaker 15 (26:23):
I've got no doubt the boy's got a lot of
care and they want to want to do well.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So in a widest sense, Jace, you've used six props
and three hookers across the fourteen Test matches this year.
How do you assess the All Blacks front row strength
at the moment?

Speaker 4 (26:38):
I think it's right where it needs to be.

Speaker 15 (26:39):
I think it's actually an honestly, I think it's a
bit of a point of difference for us. I think
we've got some good depth there. You know, Simmosoni is
not here as well, so I think that's going to
add some good competition next year. You know, Cody Taylor's
had in our standing year and Suffo has really come
on to the Test arena which has been awesome, And
you know a tyre Lomax right up there. You know,

(27:01):
he's best tidy in the world in my eyes, and
I think we can be pretty impressed with how to
Mighty's on as well. So I think I think the
competition overall is healthy and we're probably seeing the awards.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
With that with with our scrum.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
To be fair, how have you assessed Wallace to TT's
growth in the All Blacks Jersey?

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Hyeah?

Speaker 15 (27:23):
In all honesty, I don't think there's been a player
particularly loose Ford arrive on the world stage.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I like it for some time. He is an immense
young man, so young.

Speaker 15 (27:35):
He's had a big season though, we'll have to look
after him and and make sure that he has a
good plan around resetting himself. Got a lot of leadership
qualities in his own way. He's he's a rugby player.
He's instinctive and he's clear on what he wants to
do and it's a real credit to him.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
He's he's been amazing.

Speaker 15 (27:56):
Surprised if he doesn't win that World Breakthrough Player of
the Year like he's obviously been nominated for that tomorrow,
So yeah, pretty special mate.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, and I feel sir, like you should win that one. Okay,
I was going to say, your fair, your farewell. Sam
Kaine and TJ Peinada tonight. Both have been All Blacks
for over a decade. Can you give us Jason insight
into their influence on this team.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yeah, been really good in the experience side of it,
both of them.

Speaker 15 (28:21):
I guess it's probably a little bit easier for me
to comment on Sam Kane because I have more to
do with him as the forwards. But look, I think
he's been an amazing All Black. A lot of a
lot of criticism probably through his career in different stages,
which is just you know, from people that have probably

(28:44):
got no lack of knowledge of what it really requires
to be an All Black seven and consistent All Black
seven in such a physical and demanding position. You know,
he's obviously broke his neck many years ago, He's had
a little bit of back issues. He's been resilient, he's
been tough. But the leadership that he shows in this
team on and off the field has been amazing. And

(29:05):
you know, he will go down in my.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Eyes and a lot of people's, I'm sure as a
great All Black. You know, to play one hundred.

Speaker 15 (29:11):
Plus test Kepta in the All blacks in World Cups
and you know he's given back, you know, everything that
that we needed for him to do on this tour.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
And you know we had a few injuries where he
just kept.

Speaker 15 (29:24):
Playing and and being on the side, you know, but
you know he's been immense, as he keeps saying, really
proud of Semi and pretty emotional when the shed seeing
him take the jersey off for the last time.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
But he's left his mark, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Is that number seven jersey one of your big live
selection conversations the next year.

Speaker 15 (29:43):
I think it'll be healthy, won't it will be I
think a wall I think when you look at you know,
obviously adults who're not count for you about dots. He's
never got his HEMI ride and to come back and
was not going to make it over for this tour,
and you know, his plans some good foot. He probably
started not quite out of the blocks as he would
have liked to in the Test arena, which he knows,
but you know he's you know, he'll be he'll be

(30:06):
to getting out and I know that.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
You know we've obviously played Artie there as well, and.

Speaker 15 (30:12):
Wallace is an eight and and so Ardie can play
there too. But you know Peter Lako is going to
be pretty good as well. He's pretty dynamic for a
young man, so I think it's exciting to be fair.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yep, that can all wait. So have you warmed up yet?
It looked bloody cold mate?

Speaker 15 (30:28):
It was yeah, yeah, no it was she was cold. Yeah, no,
she's good. I'm looking forward to Kiewi summer. It's for sure.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Good on you, Jas, Thanks thanks for joining us. Safe travels.
We'll chatt in the new year.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
No worries, Jan, Thank you boy, Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
That's Jason Ryan joining us assistant coach with the All Blacks,
with a particular responsibility for the forwards of course, with
some interesting thoughts there. You'll have some as well. I
know you will, so we can open the line shortly.
Let's get a breakaway. Paul Miller, former All Blacks loose
for we going to join us as well. But you're
analysis is welcome this afternoon. Encouraged on our eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty eighteen minutes past mid day. We're

(31:06):
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Speaker 1 (31:08):
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Speaker 3 (31:17):
That'd be Roygard scripts it up. It's opened up, Cam
right guard. Hen he goes, I bet how to scout?

Speaker 14 (31:24):
But the All Blacks have their first here.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That was first try of the evening in Churin for
Cam roy Guard. Let's bring in former All Blacks number
eight and now rugby commentator and analyst Paul Miller. Paul
is bit of a full circle moment. You're in the
expert comments seat for test one of the year when
the All Blacks beat England sixteen fifteen and Dunedin fourteen
tests later. You're back. Let's start with this test match.

(31:46):
What was your overall assessment of what you saw this morning?

Speaker 12 (31:49):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (31:51):
Untidy, untidy mess seed but fill credit to Italian team,
very very good in terms of the dominance at their
rock area. They actually slowed down the ball for the
All Blacks. All Blacks couldn't get needy continuity a way.

Speaker 11 (32:06):
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 16 (32:07):
It was.

Speaker 11 (32:08):
It was kind of a crash and a bash, but
limited space and limited opportunities. It was, you know, those
fortuitous events. How obviously Tim Roygar got his try and
then obviously boat and bear it at the end. But
all in all, I just thought it was very a
very untidy game from the All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Second tier teams Paul like Italy will always lift their
game right against the All Blacks. They always will do.
Do you need to plan more specifically for teams to
do that in test matches like this.

Speaker 11 (32:35):
Yes, definitely do. What it shows though, also is the
beliefs that these I guess you know, so called secondary
of teams like Italy are seeing the teams like the
Ireland of France obviously England as well with who the
All Blacks played on that Northern tour. But it's the
belief that these teams now have showing you know that

(32:56):
my possible weaknesses the All Blacks do have, and being
able to have a belief that, you know, the All
Blacks aren't as dominant as what they were and now
we can actually you know, not just play the before
all wow, but play to perform and win at the
end of it. So it's given these you know, these
tier two teams, you know a lot of encouragement that
you know, when they do play, they're going to be
playing at their top level. So yeah, it's grateful world rugby.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh, I know, look, without question, I think we all
want competitive Test matches week in, week out. But given
the fact the All Blacks named a full strength team
for this, was this a missed chance to lay down
a marker at the end of the year.

Speaker 11 (33:33):
I mean, it was surprising that yet Razor did go
with with obviously an established Test side. I would have
thought he would have brought in a couple of the
you know, the New Zealand and fifteen like obviously broad
in Peter Lackeye first a bit earlier, but obviously playing
you know, a privilege to Sam Kay's last Seas match
in the orback Jersey, but very very token that he started.

(33:54):
But you know, yeah, you're right, I mean it could
have he could have brought in the likes of Rubn
loves the pair of feeders, you know, so maybe just
sort of blooded them. And but you know, given that,
you know, the the initial Test lineup, I would have
thought they would have played a lot better than what
they did.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
A couple of yellow counts this morning. That makes eleven
for the season. Is that a concerning number?

Speaker 11 (34:19):
It's yes and no. Concerning that, it seems to be
quite a continued theme of the All Blacks. You know's
and that's student's basically discipline, but also it's the scrutiny
that's involved. Now. I mean, you know every sort of
ten to fifteen minutes that the dmos get involved, the

(34:39):
sideline touches get involved, so you know, that's something else
that maybe may have to be looked at. And that
just sort of created that stop starting sort of game
for the All Blacks, and they weren't be able, they
weren't able to get into their rhythm as such. So
but again it comes back to the Italian has been
ruthless on defense, you know, slowing that ball down. But
you're right, Piney, it's it's something that I think wordnus

(35:00):
to look at. Otherwise you know you're going to get
disgruntled listeners as well as viewers.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Indeed well out of it now. As I say, you
said alongside Elliot Smith in the first test of the
year against England and Dunedin. Here we are now fourteen
tests in the books. How do you assess twenty twenty
four for the All Blacks?

Speaker 11 (35:20):
I think for the terms of how they tested the
depth of their players. And also you know you're leading
contenders as well, like obviously Scott Barrett and the front rowers.
Of course they're pretty much established now with the mighty
Pasilio Tossi as well and obviously eating the group like

(35:40):
Lomex and the likes. Very settled lineup again. It was
great to see the bloody of the other players like
Sam Derry for example, come in there at Rock Josh
Lord obviously, and then and then the like's given in
these other players in the backs a bit of a
crack as well. Like Proctor, I thought he might have
got his opportunity as well, but it's just it's given

(36:03):
the all blacks test of the depth. But also you
know something can work on continuing to the next year
as well.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
So Sam Kaine has started eight of them the last
nine test matches in the seven Jersey. That's probably more
than they thought he might. But the fact is he
started there in eight of them last nine tests. So
who do you reckon is going to get first crack
at the seven Jersey next year?

Speaker 11 (36:27):
Right, Well, you've got Peter Lackeye there coming coming through
the ranks. But in my opinion, I think Ardie Severe
should go to the open side and want of Satta
should go to number eight. They've got send me penow
a female, SENDI female there he can play obviously play
on the on the blinds of I would like to
see Setida pop in at eight. I think he's a

(36:48):
bit he's used, as he's not as free as when
he plays at number six, even though you know some
of the games, obviously the previous ones that they played
in against Ireland that he was able to sort of
get out and get a bit more into the open cherritory.
But I would like to see obviously Artie Severe at seven.
And then you may blood and Peter Lackeye and again

(37:09):
it's there's the police creating as well, who's knacking at
the heels of them as two, So that's probably my
opinion point No.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
No, what do you see in the future of Ethan
Blackadder then?

Speaker 12 (37:19):
And that?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
And you know, given given all of that, we haven't
seen him and know he's been injured. I think last
time he played the game would have been over in
South Africa from memory, and I think we've seen him
since that. What do you predict for Ethan Blackadder?

Speaker 11 (37:33):
He probably needs to have a synonen without obviously these
minor injuries, but that's that's just a testament of how
he plays quite like his father obviously just gets in there,
gets stuck in and no respect for his body as such.
But if he can maintain injury free, then you know
he could have essentially also be in the written for

(37:54):
that number six position too. So I think we've to
have good depth, particularly in the front row. The loose
forward's locks, yep, are probably a bit of a question
mark around the depth there. But obviously with Sam Derry
and two pot VII, Josh Lord and obviously they established
toy below to and bear it there as well. So
but I think I think all ma have got you know,

(38:18):
good good depth, as I said in the loose forwards.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Indeed, do we know if there's a test in Duneda
next year? Are you hearing anything? I'm I'm not sure
whether the schedule has been announced? Are we going to
be down your way again?

Speaker 11 (38:28):
Well, there's probably one person who know that would be
Paul Allison. He's always always kind of been to the ground.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
So.

Speaker 11 (38:36):
Yep, so I could get on the blow, but I'd
be fantastic for us. It's bened and got another case
before Obviously this stadium sort of kicks off in christ
Church but that looks impressive as well.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, well, I've never had a bad time in Dunedin,
so I hope there's one next year for us. Paul,
thanks for joining us, mate, Thanks for being part of
our team across the across the year. Look forward to
catching up next year.

Speaker 11 (38:56):
No, we're you two by thinks so much?

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Is all this? Mate?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Cheers? That's former former All Black number eight and and yeah,
our expert commentator whenever we go to test matches in Dunedin.

Speaker 17 (39:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
A good man, a really good man with some interesting thoughts.
The loose forward trio was one i'd want to I'd
quite like to unpack with you. Your turn now, Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've heard from Jason Ryan,
you've heard from Paul Miller, you've watched the game. You
can give us your thoughts on the game if you like.
I think we can all agree. As I said before,
not a great test, not not one of the great

(39:28):
rugby tests. I think you'd be accused of cruel and
unusual punishment if you made somebody watch that back. I
know they'll watch it back and try and pick some
things out of it. But the fact is, at the
end of a year. It probably isn't going to be
used too much in the reviews as a but a
bit too much kicking, too many stoppages, too many scrum resets.
Took ages for set peace to form. As I've said

(39:50):
a couple of times, I think if you were trying
to convert somebody to the game of rugby, this wouldn't
be the game you'd make them watch. But what about
the year you have watched the year unfold as well?
So give us your analysis of the first year under
Scott Roberts. Let's put together razors report card, Let's grade
twenty twenty four together. You can do it with the

(40:12):
mark out of ten if you like, or an old
fashioned report card grade ABC A minus B plus B
minus C plus anything you like. Add some context of
course through your comments. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty players of the year, the candidates for Player of
the Year. I've got five written down here as my

(40:36):
candidates for Player of the Year. Wallace Setiti, Cody Taylor,
Caleb Clark, two Port Vayi and Tyrell Lomax. Those are
the five players. As I ran an eye down the
list of forty two players who have worn the black
jersey this year that I landed on. Who else diod

(40:58):
that for you? And which positions are up for grabs
next year? Open Side without a doubt as won Blindside
might be as well, depending on what they do. With
Artie Savia and Wallace Tatiti, who I think we all
agree as part of the best loose forward trio moving forward.
In fact, they both are so Wallace a Titi and

(41:18):
Artie Savia, So let's just say the loose trio. What's
the best loose trio for us next year? Who wears six,
seven and eight? Even though those jerseys now don't really
mean a heck of a lot in terms of the
duties that you do, Artie Saviku wear any number wouldn't matter.
Same with Wallace a Titi. He wore eight all season
for the Chiefs, only wore eight I think twice for
the All Blacks, and one of those test matches was

(41:40):
the one when Summer Penny Female went off in about
the first ninety seconds, so it didn't actually end up
playing number eight anyway. The other one was against Japan,
So yeah, lots to discuss, lots to unpack. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is our number if you'd like
to jump aboard. How are you Chris? Hello Chris, Hello,

(42:02):
oh Christopher, how are you? My friend?

Speaker 18 (42:05):
Not bad yourself?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
I'm good. You tell like you're going through a tunnel
or something. Mate, can you hear me?

Speaker 18 (42:10):
Okay, yeah, yeah, we're just going up to all tacky.
But then sorry, So at the.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Moment, what did you make of the game this morning?
And what do you make of the all Blacks on
the whole? What are you? What are you landing on?

Speaker 18 (42:27):
Oh? I mean this morning, If I'm being honest, I
was quite disappointed.

Speaker 12 (42:32):
With the game.

Speaker 18 (42:33):
I mean, yeah, it's Italy. They should have beaten on
by a lot more. They should have at least put
two or three more times. I mean, no disrespect to
Italy and all. They played alright in the defense, Yeah,
all Blacks were very sloppy. Was not their best performance
at all?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
No, it certainly wasn't. Hey, Chris, I'm going to leave
you go, mate, because it sounds like you're in the
bottom of a submarine or something like that. We can't
quite hear you. I always enjoy chatting to your mates,
so maybe we can do it another time when when
the line's a little bit better, enjoy the drive, enjoy
your day up on the copany, Chris, thanks for calling
in O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, Grant,
what are you? What's top of your All Black's mind?

Speaker 17 (43:16):
Well, the first I'd like to say, Piney, it's not
a thirty second rule of the scrums. It's a three
minute rule, and a referee doesn't take at least three
for minutes to get a thrumbdown, he will be severely.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Come on now, Grant.

Speaker 17 (43:32):
Well that's what it seemed like. But anyway, yeah, I
would say six out of ten for the rating of
the All Blacks. I'll put it as if you have
you know, good, very good and great. I'll put it
as a good season. The with the loose forwards, A

(43:53):
lot of it will come down to form as regards
who plays weird so's it's probably a bit difficult at
the moment to say, well this player cit you should
play at six or eight or or art it's seven
or eight and so on, and so I'll wait till
next year to see the form for that. In one respect,

(44:18):
I think it's an almost all perfect end of season.
Fifty point went against Italy would have been the worst thing.
It would have given a false reading of the season.
I think it's a good reality check. There are all
sorts of reasons as to why it wasn't the greatest performance,

(44:41):
but you know, things to work on. But the thing
is the World Cups three years away, so the main thing.
As long as we keep improving each year, that's fine
with me.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Good stuff. Gr I think, look and look, I think
if we win the World Cup in twenty twenty seven,
a twenty nine to eleven win over Italy and Churin
in November of twenty twenty four will be completely irrelevant.
You know, it's like but or it could be relevant
in the sense you've just said, and that had it
been a sixty pointer, maybe there would have been going
to the new year an inflated sense of where this

(45:12):
All Blacks team was. I don't know which of those
two things is true, if either of those two things
are true, but yeah, I would have liked them to
have seen them be a bit more clinical this morning,
you know, to put Italy to the sword a bit
more didn't happen, and that was largely, as a couple
of quarters have said, because of the way Italy played
quick text before we move on, Where is it I

(45:37):
would like to know? Says this text? Here it is.
It's from Mike. I'd like to know how Razor compares
to Fozzy and Steve Hansen's first season. I'm going to
come to that in a sect, Mike. I've got some
stats for you on that very thing. Carlos, Hi, matey,
how are you very good? Carlos?

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Good?

Speaker 8 (45:55):
Good look pre season? If you've told me, or if
somebody's told me that it was four and eleven, I
would have been largely disappointed, which which I am. Obviously
I was thinking about two losses. But anyway, having said
all of that, i'd rate it. I would have rad
it in four and a half. I would graded a
five and a half now, for the reason being we

(46:18):
haven't had combinations during that whole time, or consistent combinations,
I should say, so all the different players for whatever reasons,
through injuries and things like that. I think it's going
to take time, and I think they're heading in the
right direction. Put it that way, even though the stats
don't say that as such as we as we're used to.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I think I think you're right, Carlos. I think the
trend is in the right direction, and had they won
by more this morning, you know, I think we would
have been more unequivocal in that. This morning felt like
a bit of a step back. But it wasn't as
though we sort of fell off a cliff or anything.
I wouldn't lose to Italy, you know, you look at
look at the way we've gone since we got back
from South Africa. Went over Australia in Sydney and in Wellington,

(47:03):
big one over Japan, beat England at Twickenham, beat Ireland
and Dublin a one point, lost to France and Paris
in a game we potentially could have won. I think
the trend is upwards.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, and looking forward to you know,
especially next year in that because now Race has gone
through his first season and everyone knows them. You know
that the people whom are there, the players whom are there,
they know him and everything else, and so that it
would be great. And as far as loose forwards are concerned,
I depended on their game plan and that it's still

(47:36):
like Dalton Papa it open. But depending what game plan
you know, which way they're heading in that direction? I
don't know. I mean, that's up to the coach obviously
or Jason Ryan, you know, and assistant coaches. But I
think that guy's got a lot to offer.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I agree, Yeah, I thought he was going to be
the one, and he started the first two Tests of
the year he played. He played in the seven Jersey
against England and Dunedin and again against England at Auckland,
and then played against Argentina and well Ellington and Argentina
in Auckland. So he played the first or four of
the first five Tests, and if you take out the

(48:12):
Figi Test, where a lot of kind of second string
has got a game, he was first choice number seven
for the first four of the big Test matches and
from memory I think he was. He was left out
in South Africa and then got injured and we haven't
seen him since. But Dalton Poppoli is still a very
good rugby.

Speaker 8 (48:29):
Player, absolutely, And the other thing he's got to offer
besides his talent there on the field is mentally wise
and off the field. I mean, the guy is so
mature for his age and I think there's a big
future for him.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
He's very highly regarded. Hey, just before yo, Karlos, I'm
just going to do a little test on you does
your guts field? How many? How many new All Blacks
did you? Do you think the All Blacks used forty
two players this year? How many new All Blacks do
you think? Raisor cappeds have a guess?

Speaker 8 (48:58):
Oh I don't, would never clue new all blacks?

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (49:03):
How many? How many?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
How many All Blacks made their debut this year?

Speaker 16 (49:07):
Would it be.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
Our game for five?

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
See it's actually ten ten new All Blacks this year? Yeah,
that seemed high to me as well. Thanks for taking
the test, Carlos. I threw that on you, mate, But
have a good afternoon mate, you t tests pony, all right, Carlos,
take it easy. Yeah, ten new All Blacks because somebody
sent through a thing saying, you know, Raiser needs to

(49:31):
blood more new players. Ten new All Blacks, and two
of them became, you know, really important new all blacks.
Wallace to tit and Courtez Relatima Wallace to t t
ten of the fourteen Test matches. Cortez Relatima played eleven
of the fourteen Test matches this year, after debuting against
England and Tests two. The others possibly are Tossi, Sam Dowry,

(49:55):
George Bell, Peter Larkeye, Billy Proctor, Reuben Love, Noah Hotham
and Harry Plummer. Ten new All Blacks in twenty twenty four,
bang On twenty to one. We got one spere line there.
I think they are filling up quickly, though. Please if
you can't get through the first time, try again. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more of
your calls on the All Blacks. Year after this.

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Twelve forty three. We're talking rag V right through till
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I've mentioned about some stats for coaches. Somebody's asked about
Scott Robertson's first year compared to some other coaches ten wins,
four losses this year. That's a seventy one percent win record.
Ian Foster's first year was twenty twenty, which I think
we can count out because of COVID, but his first

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full year was twenty twenty one twelve wins, three losses
eighty percent. For what it's worth, all right, one more
test twelve wins, three losses. The other stat I saw
this morning was how many tests it took a bunch
of All Blacks coaches to reach ten victories. So, for example,

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so Steve Hanson got his tenth win in his eleventh
test as head coach, Sir Graham Henry got his tenth
win in his twelfth test, Ian Foster in his thirteenth,
and this morning Scott Robertson got his tenth win in
his fourteenth test. Again, these are just numbers. Make of
them what you will, because John Mitchell also got his

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tenth win in his eleventh test, and I don't think
he'll go down as a great All Blacks coach. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, Jase,
thanks for holding mate.

Speaker 19 (51:40):
No, I know where it's funny, isn't it? What a
shame at point? What a difference one point in Paris
can make?

Speaker 14 (51:46):
Correct thing?

Speaker 19 (51:46):
Guy, I already written down a score. I'll go to
the old school Sea grades on a C plus. If
he had have gone through the Northern Tour unbeaten. So
he's one point away from achieving that. I now put
it a C minus overall the foot full season just
because of those. It's a history that know all black
coach wants, you know, the Argentina lot, some etc. But look, hey,

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I'm going to mention something else, and I don't think
anyone's talked about it. You cannot underestimate the transitioning of
your Sam Kane, your farewelling of sam Kin and TJ
Pirie are made to this whole lackluster performance. And of
course the camp are going to deny that and they're
going to say it was no issue, it was no distraction.

Speaker 20 (52:26):
Of course it is.

Speaker 19 (52:28):
I just think it's going to They're going to be
better when sam Kin's gone, and I really you know,
his contribution to you all Blacks is right up there.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
For me, I've got no issue with him.

Speaker 19 (52:38):
Same with TJ. But once they're gone and we've got
our settled squad, I think you're going to find you're
going to get a performance like put against Ireland two
starts ago, performance we put against England the start before that,
and the best performance of the whole season was the
one we lost, and that was against France last week.

Speaker 16 (52:54):
Funny enough.

Speaker 19 (52:55):
So for me, I just don't think enough can be
said about you know, let's get these legacy players gone,
get the squad set alled and stop talking about you
know Farewell that, you know, your Sam Knes and that,
and I think we might see something a bit special
next year.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
A couple of questions on that, then, Jason, do you
do you think both were there in the squad on Merit?

Speaker 19 (53:21):
I wow, no, Okay, TJ, I say no. I think
we finally answered the who's the best you know half
back in the country and he played today and TJ
was there really just well what do you call it?

Speaker 8 (53:36):
Out of.

Speaker 19 (53:38):
Respect and just as his his track record.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Sam do just yeah, sorry, yeah, we'll get to Canaan
a minute. So with TJ. Then, so they took three
half backs Camera Reguard, Yes we all know. I mean
what a player Courtiers Lantima I think is the number two.
I still I still think TJ is there on Merit
is the third best, isn't he?

Speaker 21 (53:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (54:00):
The third best by Mark. So there's a gap between
one and two, and there's an even bigger gap between
one and three. So I think you would we have
needed to play him if it was a World Cup tournament. No,
I'd say no. I think the other two sort of
stood out. Of course we had to take him because
you know, Norton to it. But no, and going to

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see hm Kine equally, I think, funny enough the All
Blacks and I'm going to say something really contentious here,
and I'm not meaning to downgrade the guy. The All
Blacks in that second half of the one point loss
in the World Cup, so they paid better without him
with forteen men.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
H Yeah, No, sorry, Joe, I've got a move mate
that is contentious, as you know. The other thing I
was going to ask you, I was going to ask
you how you talked about how it became a distraction.
Don't you think the All Blacks and they said this
all week would have wanted to put on a good
performance to send off too big servants like that. Don't
you think it would have actually been a positive motivation
for them.

Speaker 20 (54:56):
That was a distraction.

Speaker 19 (54:57):
I'm making a point of the thinking more of that
than doing what they did the week before, and just
forget about that and just play the game in front
of them in the opposition.

Speaker 8 (55:04):
So I think you just aren't interrupted.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Thank you, Jason, always good chatting to you mate. Thanks indeed,
can I Mark?

Speaker 22 (55:12):
Hey Parney, Yeah, special, thanks to TGS. He's been one
of the great hurricanes and year. It's good to see
him come back and I thought he had a great
season and then he deserved to be on that tour
on mirror not just because he's been there and years.
It's great to see that. And Sam Kine obviously, you
know the psychological garbage that people throw on that guy was.
I don't think I've ever seen anything, you know, the

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queen at post the moment he couldn't give his stuff
sometimes for him.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, Look he's been, he's been. Look he's been. I
think he's been unfairly maligned. And anybody who wears the
seven jersey after Richie McCaul is going to find it
very difficult. But you look at his body of work,
in particular on the defensive side of the ball, and
I can't remember too many more rugged defenders. And that
Irish quarterfinal last year, Mark, I think is a legacy game.
That's that's the game. When I think of Sam Kaine,

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I'm going to think of the quarter final against Ireland
last year.

Speaker 22 (56:04):
Yeah, and I remember remember hearing the super REDI this
season season one time he was he's a top techler,
So I mean, you know he's not he's good on
both sides of the ball, and he's Yeah, as you say,
after Richie mccawy, you sort of put a bit of
a big hell to climb. I guess at the beginning
of the season we were saying so too too was
the titi. I think James mccanney made up the song

(56:25):
A better Me came down on the wrong side of that,
because yeah, I picked the two teams. Yeah, obviously has
been one of the outstanding players. For me, black Head,
it would be my third day lou Sport. I think
that'd be a great trio, those three running around the
field on the wing and doing what they do. But yeah,
I think overall it's been been a great season and
I think I've on what's probably going to be the

(56:48):
going forward the team. It's good to see God and
I picked him at number ten at the beginning of
the season, and I'm he's found his way there. I
think he's been growing in the last three or four
games and the numbers didn't getting better and better, and
I mean you've got to have that time. I mean,
even though he's an experienced player, he's still going to
have those to be in there and get better in it,

(57:09):
you know. And I think he has got better at it.
And I think he's wanted a number three in as
long as Ricky to come.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Back, which I think he probably is going to come back.

Speaker 12 (57:18):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I thought Boden was a steady hand this morning, you know,
in a pretty disjointed sort of a performance by a
lot of players with errors and things like that, I
thought I thought Boden Barrett was a steady hand this morning.
I thought he controlled things pretty well. It was probably
a Test match that suited him more than a Damian
Mackenzie at first five. I know it's still a live
conversation and will get even live if that's a word,

(57:40):
when and if Richie morlonger comes back, which is heavily
rumored to be happening in the middle of next year.

Speaker 12 (57:48):
Hey, Brent, hey Jason are here this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (57:53):
Brent?

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Tom?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Great? How are you mate?

Speaker 12 (57:55):
Two per biased a Player.

Speaker 16 (57:56):
Of the Year.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, good choice, good choice.

Speaker 12 (58:02):
I think the backline is letting the forwards down. The
amount of work that the forwards to the amount of
ball that they set up and what have you. I
would have Jordan and Juanne on the wings, Jordi barred
at fullback, Billy Procter at center. We might have to

(58:24):
look for a new second five eight. But I think
the the setting up of the outsides. Jordan seems to
be a little bit greedy and Eannie has always been
like that. So put him back on the wing and
Jordi barred at fullback, so.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I don't reckon them. So you're you're leaving Caleb Clark
out of you back three then in.

Speaker 12 (58:48):
That case, well yeah, as a starter, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I think he's been an exceptional. In fact, I think
he's been the bank of the year Kayleb Clark.

Speaker 12 (58:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't disagree with that. But
about what I'm saying is that Jordan and Ewanne don't
seem to be to set up. And there's a couple
of times today when Jordan was running there and he
ran his outside out of position and a ran amount
of space and instead of staying alive and passing the ball,

(59:23):
and that seems to be a dying art with these fellows.
But they said the amount of work that the forwards do,
I think the Backlind is not working like it should.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yep, Brent, I would agree that they certainly haven't been
as cohesive as I'm sure they would have hoped. Like
I said when I did my five Players of the
Year or you know, candidates won back Caleb Clark, that's it.
So I think it's been a year where forwards have
been the better performers for the All Blacks. I think

(59:53):
they're all in on Will Jordan at fullback. I think
that is That is absolutely Scott Robertson's state of mind.
And I think ricco Yoanni has basically said, I'm a center.
It's a live DISCUSSI though seven to one us talks
EB when it's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Down to the line. You made a call on eighty
ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Paine, News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
B four to one more Rugby after one, Liam Napier
from the New Zealand here are going to join us?
Then the lines are open again. Hayden Wilds on the
show after two, reflecting on his excellent year. Our top
Men a triathlet from Glenn Jason ten out of fourteen
seventy one percent one rate lost of Argentina at home.
I'm convincing today, very messy and some bad calls last
week against France. So I'd give the season five and

(01:00:37):
a half, maybe six out of ten. I think many
of us will be dissatisfied after all the hype around
racist credentials. Hopefully his second year will be a big improvement.
Thank you, Glenn more After one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies, and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talks ed B.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Seven. Welcome in or welcome back, as the case may be.
I forgot to do Guess the grunter last hour. That
was silly, wasn't it. I will have to do it
twice next hour. But we have ASB Classic Tennis tickets
to give away this hour and next hour. We've got
three double passes. Guess the Grunter is the way we've
decided to do this. All you have to do is

(01:01:27):
guess who the tennis players who's making grunting sounds during
a game. Obviously that will be that something you can
listen out for this hour and next hour. James mcconey
around one forty five, we're going to dedicate the next
three quarters of an hour or so to the rugby though,
including Liam Napier. Very shortly your calls as well. Welcome

(01:01:48):
Michael on textkdo Jason. Sam Kaine's been a great servant
to the Black Jersey. I believe he was a reluctant
captain and played his best as a non captain. He
reminds me bit of Ross Taylor when he captained the team.
When he was relieved of those duties, he did what
he did best. I think Sam Kane was pretty good
in that capacity last year, certainly in that quarter final.
As I said in the last hour, when I remember

(01:02:10):
Sam Kine, I will remember that quarterfinal of the Rugby
World Cup last year. Keep your text coming though. Nine
two nine two is the text line. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten point eighty to get through on the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Full left hand side vote and Barrett Jordan at this time.
Well Jordan made the break, now complete the try scoring action,
fifteen points to six.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Their second of four tries for the All Blacks this morning.
Will Jordan or second of three tries. I'm just trying
to remember three or four. It probably doesn't matter too much.
Let's bring in senior rugby writer with The New Zealand Herald,
co host of the Rugby Direct podcast and one of
the sharpest rugby minds I know, Liam Napier. Liam, you're
right in the Herald and I'm going to quote this
a flop of a season finale. The All Blacks saved

(01:02:53):
one of their worst performances of the year, rivaled only
by their loss to the Pumas and Wellington for last.
Not a lot of gray area there, mate, You weren't
that impressed after most declining.

Speaker 23 (01:03:05):
No, look, it was a pretty tough watch to end
the year, wasn't it. And I guess the expectation for
the All Blacks was that they would deliver some form
of definitive statements to bookends their Northern tour and finish
the year. Just given the selection complexion, this was Scott
Robertson's strongest available team. He chose not to promote fringe prospects,

(01:03:27):
you know, rookies, guys that we haven't seen a lot
of this year. And still the All Blacks couldn't or
they did put away at Lee, but they struggled and
that was a really tough watch in patches. They finished
the year with a victory, but there's still a lot
of lingering questions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I think what was the problem this morning?

Speaker 23 (01:03:49):
Well, look, I think you have to give credit to
the Italians. They brought a lot of physicality. They succeeded
in dragging the All Blacks into a dog fight. They
had a lot of success at the breakdown, just making
things scrappy. Their line speed caused the All Blacks a
lot of issues and I think just frustrations for the
All Blacks, whether it was not converting line breaks, lacking

(01:04:11):
patients on attack, pushing passes. They lost three line out
throws and so they had to revert to their dominant
scrum and they're more to really squeeze out that victory.
And they got a couple of lake tries Mark Dalia,
but that was their first points in the second half
and the seventieth minute. So the margin probably flattered them
in the end as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
So when they get together again in the new year
or late this year, the All Blacks coaching staff, and
they review and then they start planning, what are the
big you know, the big meaty issues that are going
to take up most of their thinking as they plan
for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 23 (01:04:50):
Well, I think Scot Ronson's an eternal optimist, so he'll
take a glass half full approach to this year. It's
a ten and four season, a seventy one percent win ratio,
and you'd have to break the season down. They started
scratchy against England fifty percent in the Rugby Championship and

(01:05:10):
then some real definitive improvements and if you step back
and think about this Northern Tour, the ABC's one point
away from an unbeaten five match sweep of the North
that includes Japan and England's Ireland, France which they blew
and then this match against Italy. So a very good
return results wise on the India tour. But for me Piney,

(01:05:34):
I would have liked to have seen a bit more progression,
particularly in this last match. We haven't seen a number
of guys in recent weeks and the performances have been
a bit hot cold. I think the ruck, the presentation,
the cleanout really needs a lot of attention and there
has been improvements for the attack. Bill Blacks have really

(01:05:57):
in that Test against Ireland in particularly used the ball
well so made some ground and there have been you know,
some standout performances Wallace for Tt and like the emerging
talent progression improvement in some areas. But just given that
last performance, it is really hard to set back in
assess and say it's been a successful year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Who do you think has the inside running for the
seven jersey next year? And actually a wider question is
what does our best loose forward trio for this World
Cup cycle?

Speaker 23 (01:06:29):
Yes, incredibly hard, isn't it. Pineye personally would shift Ardie
severe to open sider thought he was excellent there against France.
It allowed him to get into the wide channels to
play his natural game. He's still very good at picking
his moments of the breakdown Wallace to Titi his favored
position at number eights. And then you're looking for I

(01:06:52):
think a big blindside flanker. Now, whether that's some Penny female,
the jury's still out there. We haven't seen quite enough
of him. Even Adulton Papa Lli could perform that role.
Peter Luckeye was superb, wasn't he off the bench for
seventy eight minutes in Paris? I think he's a twenty
one year old prospect. He is the future of the

(01:07:14):
All Blacks loose for trio. It's just whether that is
the balance the composition that they're looking for, and then
you've got guys like Ethan Blackheader and Luke Jacobson in
the wings. Personally, I don't think you can have Dalton,
Papa Lee, Ethan Blackheader and Luke Jacobson in the same squad,
so very similar players, and with the up ten po

(01:07:35):
ball movement that the All Blacks are looking to play,
I think the style of rugby probably suits a guy
like Dalton more so than a Luke Jacobson or Ethan Blackheader.
So it's going to be very interesting to see. You
can't for all those guys in the squads and you
ideally do sit on a trio and give them time
to gel and progress in the coming years.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Do you think they will stick with Artie at eight?
Not what you would do. Do you think they will
stick with Ardie Savier at number eight?

Speaker 23 (01:08:06):
I think they will go to Wallace at eight. I
think Scott Robinson has mentioned the fact that that's his
natural home and that's where we saw him play his
best rugby for the Chiefs in his rookie Super Rugby season.
I think for the balance of that trio, I think
Artie does need to go to seven and Wallace at eight.

(01:08:28):
But Peter Luckey has a bit of a wildcard because
he can play eight, he can play seven. He's probably
the Ivyll bench guy for you at the stage as
he comes to grips with Test rugby. But I do
expect now that Sam kin is moving on, and I
think Sam Kaine's presence complicated that mix. We probably would

(01:08:48):
have seen a lot more of Wallace at eight had
Scott Robinson not gone back to Sam Kain this year.
But now he's moving on to through Japan, I do
expect to see Wallace make that number eight Jersey his
home next year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Two more yellow cards for New Zealand this morning. That's
eleven this year. Is that a concern?

Speaker 23 (01:09:08):
Its massively problematic. Piny didn't cost them hugely in this
test Scott Barrett when he went off the All Blacks
didn't concede any points. Antolina Brown didn't affect them too
much either, but and big tests, it has proven costly
this year against the spring Boks, in particular in South

(01:09:28):
Africa when they were dealing with you know, trying to
get the composition of the bench right. I think discipline
in general is still an issue with this All Black team.
When things don't go their way, when they struggle to
generate that quick ball, when they're not winning the collisions,
when they're on the back foot a bit, and when
frustrations creep in, or when they have to defend their

(01:09:48):
own line for long periods, that's when they get in trouble.
And eleven is too many and it is going to
cost you big type tests.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
A couple of departing All Blacks after over a year
a decade of service on the Black jersey, Sam Kin,
TJ Petada, they played their final tests today. What will
their respective legacies be for you?

Speaker 23 (01:10:10):
I think both have left a real imprint on the
New Zealand game, not just with the All Blacks but
their respective super rugby teams and provinces. When I think
of both those guys, I think about the adversity that
they've overcome, whether that be Sam Cain and his broken
neck or you know the difficult times he endured as

(01:10:32):
All Black captain and then to come back this year,
or TJ Petina had the best part of two years
out of the game with his Kelly's injury and you
know consider retirements, thought it was over and then had
his time again. So the resilience those guys have shown,
I think also just the way they carry themselves. TJ
has also been the guy who's spoken for what he

(01:10:55):
believes in. I really respect that about him and Sam Caine.
He endured some of the most difficult times in the
All Blacks, but he would always genuine and I feel
like he always speaks from the heart as well. So
attribute to those guys who now all cash in at
the back end of their careers, but I guess it's

(01:11:17):
nice that they also get to finish on their own terms.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Indeed, or I've put together a list of five players
who I think are candidates for All Blacks Player of
the Year. So my list in alphabetical order by surname
is Caleb Clark, Tyrel Lomax, Wallace, a Titi, Cody Taylor,
and Tupaul Vati. Have I missed anybody there? And who
would you give it to if it's one of them
or somebody else?

Speaker 23 (01:11:39):
Yeah, I think you've done well there. Pony had to
argue with that look on the whole complexion of the season,
I would probably say too, Pouvai. I think Locke was
such an area where in the wake of Brody Rittelk
and Sam White Locks respective absences this year that there
were major concerns for the All Blacks. Where was the

(01:12:01):
next who was going to stand up? How are the
All Blacks going to cover those abs answers? And when
you look at the way that Tupu has come in
and owned the line outs performed in big tests, I
think he has supremely exceeded all expectations. And those other
guys you mentioned have played well as well. Well the

(01:12:22):
TT you know, the absolute breakout star of the EF.
He doesn't win World Rugby breakthrough player, then there needs
a formal investigation the other the other guys in particularly,
you can't tell World Rugby what to do. Finally you
know this, but maybe you know check the envelopes or.

Speaker 11 (01:12:42):
Will put you on the job.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
But I just I did also, just as I read
those names out, only one back and an outside back.
I don't know if that sees anything or doesn't say anything.
But Caleb Clarks the only guy I can really think
of who've had an outstanding season and a jersey higher
than eight.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 23 (01:13:03):
And I think Will Jordan has been good, hasn't he?
Since he's gone back to fullback. But in terms of
consistent performances at cam Rogards had a good last couple
of tests when he came into the starting role. But
in terms of backs really stamping their authority, they are
quite few and far between. Maybe that says a bit

(01:13:24):
about the complexion of the All Blacks attack the way
they're playing, and I guess the fact there's also been
a fair bit of chopping and changing when you look
at Bowden Baron and Damien McKenzie that are still I
think trying to find their way at first five to
a degree, and Caleb Clark was a guy who also
came into the season late in that left wing role.

(01:13:47):
Mark Tale is another one who's performed well when he's
been giving started opportunities. But the All Blacks have only
really found their first choice back line at the back
end of the year and so there has been a
fair bit of tweaking that's gone on there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Okay, to finish, we're put in together Razors report card
this afternoon. You can give them a mark out of ten,
or you can use the old ABC B Minors C
plus kind of arrangement if you like, how do you
rate what are you putting on Razors report card for
twenty twenty four in terms of a mark.

Speaker 23 (01:14:20):
Traditionally quite a tough marker, poney, but you know, sees
also get degrees.

Speaker 14 (01:14:27):
But i'll go, I'll go.

Speaker 23 (01:14:30):
I'll go a C plus or six out of tense.
I think this is a past mark for the year.
But I think everyone probably did expect a bit more
evolution revolution to a degree with Razor. I think he's
been very conservative when it's come to selection. The all
black to one some type tests. They also lost some
type tests, so I think there's improvement needed, but it

(01:14:55):
is a tentative step forward. Shall we say?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Good stuff? Love love chatting raby with you, mate. We'll
get some calls on the air to see if they
agree or disagree, but I'm always good to chat. Liam
thinks taking the time this afternoon.

Speaker 23 (01:15:08):
Jeers funny anytime, mate, good man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
That's Liam Napier from the New Zealand Herald. Read him
at ends at herold dot co dot m Z. Yeah,
one of the more incisive rugby analysts going around. There
might have been something there that that piaqued your interest.
You might want to add to the conversation. Lots to
chat about eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can talk
about the Test this morning. I think we can probably
you know, talk about the year as a whole now

(01:15:31):
we've seen fourteen Test matches. I think that's a good
thing to do. Candidates for Player of the Year, and
what are we going to do with our loose forwards
next year? That seems to be the big question around selection.
The most live conversation around selection is our loose forwards
next year. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
Pete, Hello, good day, piny house scenes mate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Very good, Pete. How are you getting on?

Speaker 21 (01:15:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
Pretty good? Hey, really enjoyed that listen with Liam previous
was he makes some really good points and writes a
good article and it's just good to have talkback on
rugby and testaments rugby back on ZB. I love my sport, Pinty,

(01:16:14):
and I missed my radio sport. But such as life,
we move on changes and we've seen the new all
Black coach. He's wasn't left with much when he took over,
and I mean that's making a clarative statement, you know,
losing Sam Whitelocke, Brody Rettallic a few others Z and

(01:16:38):
of course the world's best half back in Aaron Smith.
So I can get as reasoning as to taking TJ
and Sam Kine away, particularly with the advent of injuries
and things like that, to Dalton. Papole he Liam made
a good point about Dalton and having players on the
field that had similar playing abilities or styles that Razor

(01:17:03):
wants to implement. He would you replace Ranny McDonald now,
now that Leon McDonald was removed but wasn't replaced for
the Northern Tour, what candidate would would raise a look
at bringing in or would all that money be brought

(01:17:25):
in to bring Richie Moore Hunger back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Yeah, I don't think of it his choice. He'd probably
bring back his first five rather than bring another coach
and Pete. But yeah, that's a really good question around
Leon McDonald's departure and whether the role that he fulfilled
while he was there has been adequately covered by the others,
and I kind of think that it has. I don't
look at this and this team since his departure, which

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was what before they headed off to South Africa and
think Okay, hey, they've gone down and such and such
an area because Leon McDonald's not there. I tend to
think that you know that the coaches they have there
are enough. I heard a suggestion that Vern Cottter might
be a guy but to bring a steely, harder region.
But I honestly can't see a scenario under which Scott

(01:18:11):
Robertson brings Vern Cotter into his coaching setup, can you?

Speaker 24 (01:18:15):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
No, definitely not no. He here'd be a class, wouldn't he.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
You know, yeah, just another head coach and and what
you know, there was a lot of chat around about
when Lea McDonald decided that he wouldn't continue, that that
the fact he had been a head coach was was
something that you know, he was unable to adjust to.
We don't know if that's true or not. Jason Holland
was a head coach at the Hurricanes and he seems
to have adjusted okay to being an assistant. But Vern
Cotter a head coach and very much his own man

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at the Blues. I just it just doesn't seem like
a natural fit to me.

Speaker 12 (01:18:46):
Yeah, and I like the cut of Tarmaty Allison.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
Oh he's on the way up. Hey, listen. I threw
only once did I throw the pillow at the TV
this morning, and that was when Patrick outstanding. Patrick Trupo
was you know, the team trying to have his influence
on telling the referee Peer that it was a I

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met the dangerous threshold.

Speaker 14 (01:19:19):
And that was great.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
Refereeing, but that could have had a bearing had it
been a referee not prepared to not listen to his TMO.
You know that guy was Adam and Patrick was going
to get a yellow card, wasn't it. If not a
red would have been He made the comment that it
was dangerous, met that threshold or words to that effect anyway.

(01:19:40):
But anyway, that's what I took out of it. I thought,
I hear we go last match, TMO has got to
have a say. But two Peer, Bruce Sett or every
however you say his name. That was pretty good. My
other point that I wished to make because other callers
that wanted to do it too gonna miss Sam and TJ,
particularly TJ being a Hurricanes man that I am, but

(01:20:02):
they've had their time and roll up.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
The next numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
And as for play of the Year, you pretty much
nailed it with Tupo Laya just the outstanding, just unbelievable
from number six to Locke filled that void pretty well
with Sam and Brody departing and called the line outs.
Jumped in there when Scotty Barrett took a lot of
heat off Scotty so much so that you know he's

(01:20:29):
my vote for Player of the Year and looking forward
to next year report cards. Yeah, I was tossing up
on a sea two for a razor. Let's see how
we go with other callers and this you want to
add anything there?

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
You've covered off a whole bunch of stuff for me, mate,
and the five minutes we've been on the get together.
Thanks for calling and call back anytime you made some
great points, I think. Yeah, I think we all sort
of set around that sea. You know what ms seas
get degrees? So true, I got mine with mainly seas. Yeah,
that five and a half six out of ten. I
think that's where we all kind of land, don't we.

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Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Bang on one thirty. Hello Jamie, Hey, finally busy day
for you. It has been. It's good though, Yeah, yep, okay.

Speaker 21 (01:21:34):
It's just my overall summiration of the Bets year. Probably
I'll give it about a six or six out of
ten or a B minus. Yeah, lots of lots of positives.
I mean, I think that the death is coming, especially
in the fort pack. It's it's great to see some
young guys stepping up there and some fresh eggs. The
bench has improved since the since the since we lost

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in South Africa. Probably probably another thing is i'd probably
like to see, perhaps some will have to probably next
year be raised to be bit more bold.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah. Yeah, he was quite conservative, Jamie. That's a very
good observation, and I think a lot of us thought
that he would be a bit more adventurous, shall we say.
But I guess you can't really blame him in his
first year when he's putting down a foundation. He has given,
as you might have heard me mention before ten guys debuts,
but he has stuck largely. You look at the guys

(01:22:28):
who have played most often for him, and you know, well,
Damien Mackenzie, Anton Lennart Brown both featured in every single
Test match. Ardie Savie was there most of the time, Lomax,
Joannie Taylor, the Barrett Brothers. So yeah, there was a
base of experience that he used a lot.

Speaker 21 (01:22:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think in what then, maybe I said before,
I'm about he switching to seven. I think that could
be a good move because he's been a great number
of eight for US over the years, but maybe just
this year was just like Rapsneller's dynamics and the last couple,
but maybe maybe a positional switch would do in wonders

(01:23:04):
what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
I wonder where he'll play for more one of PACIFICA.
That'll be an interesting little layer of this conversation because
he played most of his last two or three years
for the Hurricanes at number eight. Jason Holland actually moved
him into that position and then obviously he played there
mainly for the All Blacks as a result. But for example,
if he was playing well, either if he's playing number

(01:23:26):
seven from Oneer PACIFICA or number eight for more Winer PACIFICA,
you wonder what that will do as far as where
he gets picked by Scott Robertson and the All Blacks Jersey.

Speaker 16 (01:23:34):
Yeah, you probably had to.

Speaker 21 (01:23:35):
I mean, he probably have no disrespect of wine in Pacifica,
but he probably have ever's work cut out paying for
that playing for them, just you know, just because he'll
be the main guy, whereas in the Hurricanes you were
he was had a good support group. But I mean
you hopefully, hopefully you continue continue to go work because
I'm still a big Janifers.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Same oh, same, And I think he's got a big
part to play in this in this World Cup cycle. Yeah,
maybe he's not. He's not the absolutely dominating force that
he's been in the last couple of years.

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
Art.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I've seen that suggested as well. But look, I just
don't think you pick a first choice All Blacks fifteen
without Sava and and I still think he's right. He's
on one of our best players.

Speaker 21 (01:24:15):
Yeah, yeah, awesome, Okay, thanks Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Good Man, Jamie good to check to you, mate, Thanks
for calling in. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is out number a pad Ohama. I'm going to say
you're going to give us a six.

Speaker 25 (01:24:29):
Now, I'm old school poney, I'll be doing grades, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
I'm going to say, then I'm going to say a
A C plus.

Speaker 25 (01:24:35):
Then I'm not as positive as you think.

Speaker 12 (01:24:38):
Poney.

Speaker 8 (01:24:41):
The results.

Speaker 25 (01:24:42):
We won't talking about the test the best results. There
was a bludyer. This result this morning was obviously Tottenham
for Manchester City nels.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
I love that. I love it.

Speaker 25 (01:24:51):
I was pretty happy you're turning into the sort of
the end of that when I got up this morning.
But I'll start with the good. I'll start with the bad.
Discipline horrible needs to change. We're slow lunars. We need
to get better. Our kicking game not as bad as
our discipline.

Speaker 12 (01:25:09):
But I don't rate it.

Speaker 25 (01:25:10):
It's sort of and I suppose that in terms of
our game management needs to get better. In the ability
to close out games. No Razors talked about we could
have won all those games, but we didn't. We were
we the South Americans were there for the taking them
both those tests, and we couldn't close. Needed body to

(01:25:32):
save us against England, couldn't close. Penny t dropped the
ball in front of the posts. Against England, we should
have lost that game. Couldn't close. It couldn't close last week,
so it's still a thing. Ireland was our best performance.
But I don't know who that Island team was. They
couldn't catched the ball that day, So it's very much
a work on this team. Our attack is ponderous and

(01:25:55):
just seems a bit side to side, and then we
rely on individual brilliance a bit too much. Our best
aspect is our pack, our set pieces pretty good. Our
line that was out this morning, but generally it's been good.
Our scrum is good. We've built depth also. Yeah, our
player development a different past mark.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
But I think you ought to give a big rap
to Yeah, sorry, sorry, Padaha. You've got to give a
big rap to Jason Ryan, particularly at scrumb time. I
think he's built a very very good dominant forward pack
the way they played this morning, and you might have
heard him on the show he said he thinks his
front rowers that he has at his disposal give us
a real point of difference.

Speaker 25 (01:26:33):
Yeah, c minus Piney, that's me, plenty of plenty of them.
We're just got to move next year, look forward to it.
We've got to beat Africa at home. That's the big
hurdle we've got to get. We got to start beating
the Africans because I'm not living this swagger around the
world at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
You'd have a good day too, mine.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
I'd have that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
I'd change you all that test for riden Park straight away.
When South Africa come here for the Rugby Championship next year,
and I presume they'll come for two tests first one
Eden Park? Hees, Oh no, what about our record there?
What about our record there? First test against South afrigay
here in New Zealand next year? Should bet Eden Park? Hey,
George good a piney, how's a gun? Very good mate,

(01:27:14):
very good? What do you make of this morning?

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:27:16):
I think this morning we got to We've got a
result that really reflected the team that was selected.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:27:21):
It was a very tired, fatigued result from players that
were playing their fourth test in our own in some cases,
and it kind of showed I think those players are
really trying to mentally get themselves up to one last game.
And if I was sort of pera fetter love and
dairy George Bell, I would have really been gutted to
not get a run this morning, you know, and not

(01:27:42):
have the faith shown enough to go out there and
do it.

Speaker 12 (01:27:46):
I think that's.

Speaker 20 (01:27:47):
Probably my main reflection for for rass year so far.
It's just that probably inability to have the utmost faith
in the the players coming through and really give them
a chance to show their worth. I think unfortunately we
didn't really learn a whole lot about Billy prop To
this year and his credentials and the I don't think
enough scrutiny was placed on sort of Rico Yoanni at

(01:28:10):
center in a backline that was failing to profry some
shots at points in time. So yeah, my probably big
thing A results were good and four pick were great,
but I don't think we really showed enough confidence in
the younger players coming through are going to play a
mess of part over the next four years.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Yeah, and you don't get a lot of opportunities to
expose players to test rugby, do you and I think
this morning? You know, I look, I understand why they
did what they did in terms of the selections and
wanted to go out on a high after winning last week,
perhaps losing last week or other by one point last week,
but yeah, it was a missed opportunity for me. I
would have liked to have seen, Yeah, the likes of

(01:28:49):
Reuben Love in that in that mix this morning. Billy
Proctor is obviously home to be with his partner for
the birth of their child. But yeah, I guess as
a building block, like I say, if we get to
the World Cup in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty four
won't matter too much apart from the fact that it
was Razor's first year any kind of I guess built
a foundation based mainly on established players.

Speaker 20 (01:29:12):
Yeah, I'd love to see super Form get really rewarded
next year, Like if I think Brad Shiels put it
well on to show a couple of weeks back, if
Flarkeye and Billy Procter and some of those players played
the house down, I'd like to see them get the
start in the first three tests of the season and
not go to a more tried and true lineup and
a trusted team of experience, because we've got to sort

(01:29:33):
of keep one eye on developing the team and that
sort of thing. Because I think this morning now quick
to talk about the gap between Super rugby and Test rugby,
and particularly now that the Africans are out of it, well,
the only way to close that gap is to give
some of these players exposure in a game like this morning,
So sort of repeat what I set out the front
of the call I think some of those players would

(01:29:53):
have been really gutted to not get a round this morning,
given they've been holding tackle bags.

Speaker 8 (01:29:57):
For most of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Yeah, and that thing is also George's by the sounds
of it from listening to Mark Robinson yesterday, It's still
not going to be a full strength French team that
comes and here for the first three Tests of the
next year. So I'm kind of with you, mate. I'd say,
whoever plays well in Super Rugby, give them a crack
against France and July next year. That's what I'd be doing.

Speaker 20 (01:30:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And they and that's always been a
hallmark of the All Blacks and years gone by, as
we've had upmost faith in the next person to come
in and do it. I really did like the way
they approached the Ethond group situation. You know, he did
something and gave up his jersey. The others took their chance,
and it was hey, lot, you know, these guys have
taken their opportunity, and you don't rest on your laurels

(01:30:37):
in an All Black jersey. So I'd like to see
some healthy competition promoted that way, you know, put Rico
to the bench or out of the twenty three for
a game. Give Billy Procter a go in in a
high stakes match and if he takes his chance, you know,
then he keeps the jersey and sort of you know,
promote a bit of a healthy competition that way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Indeed, good stuff, George, good points well mate as always mate. Yeah,
they dropped Ricca you only down to the bench against
Argentina and Wellington, didn't they? But I thought they might
give Billy prop to the jersey after he played well
against Fiji, and instead it was Anton Lennart Brown who
played there and then Reco was back in I think
from memory the next week he was here in the
tests against Argentina and Auckland. Then pretty much hold onto

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That means James mcconey, James, we've been doing Razors report
Card on the radio this afternoon. Do you want to
join join the fun, give it a grade.

Speaker 16 (01:33:05):
I'd love to join the fun, but first we really
need to flush the dummy and move on to quote
Steve Hanson, because that was one giant, let's say, turgid
test match this morning. But yes, I would like to
give my grade. What have you given, pony?

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
I haven't yet to give my grade. I've been living
it up to the to those far more learned than myself.
I can tell you that if we're talking out of ten,
Liam Napier has given them a six, Elliott Smith of
five and a half.

Speaker 16 (01:33:35):
Right, I'm going to go higher. I'm giving them a B.
I'm going to go B because of the it's a
rebuild year. Let's be honest. You know you lose Brady Metallica,
Aaron Smith, Sam white Lock. There's a lot of ip
going out the out the door right there. So as
a as a bit of rebuilding and you know, filling

(01:33:56):
the leadership void, I'm going to go B. And it's
just because of that one point, you know, I think
people are marking them down because of that one point loss, right,
because you have an uneaten Northern Core. So that's why
I'm staying with my bee. And I actually think if
Sam Caine had played that Test in Paris, we would
have won it because you noticed a couple of times

(01:34:18):
we weren't cleaning out and it made a big difference,
I thought, to the to the outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yeah it was, it was. It was a funny old
test this morning, wasn't it. And you know, Jason Ryan
was on the show and he said, look, it was
a bit wet and we've had a long season all
that sort of thing. But as you say, it was
a bit of a tough watch. Wasn't a pretty dour.

Speaker 12 (01:34:40):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 16 (01:34:40):
I mean, also, I do need even though the referee
made a couple of good calls, like by not binning
Patrick Toopol or too, there was a there's so many
times that the Italians were lying on the ground slapping
the ball away and if that's not a penalty or
even a car then I think world rugby you need
to need to have a look because I totally agree
with you know, style playing, dangerous play being elevated to

(01:35:03):
a level where you go and take some time in
the bin. But the cidical stuff is getting to the
point where there's no way they're supporting their body weight.
And I feel like the All Blacks have to be
so squeaky clean because you know the straight away they'll
find something and and yeah, that's just that I think
affected the game. It's just the referee not cleaning up

(01:35:25):
that rack area.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Now, All Blacks player of the Year I've written down
Caleb Clark, Tyrell Lomax, Wallace a Tt, Cody Taylor, Tupulvai.
Do you think it will be one of those? Would they?
Would one of those five be your All Blacks Player
of the Year.

Speaker 16 (01:35:40):
Yeah, I know I'm a massive annoying Chiefs fan, but
I do feel that Wallace, Titi and have been best
in show for me. And really Wallace, I would actually
just say he is a player of the Year. I
think that I know that he's young and he's rookie
and all that sort of thing, but I mean, who's
just made every post winner. I think it's been him

(01:36:03):
and then two A has been absolute revel But also
maybe an option at six if we end up with
another really big lock like a Fabian Holland coming through
and maybe tip over a who was quite an undersized lot,
maybe he needs to think about it and reinventing himself
as a blindside. So you know that's an option, but
I'll probably go for Wallace.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I think he might. I think he might want it
to even though he's like he's a first year All Black.
Without going back in history, I can't remember a bigger
impact by a first year All Black than his. I'm
just trying to think maybe, I don't know, maybe Aaron Smith,
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:36:41):
I think Mertz in his first year that World Cup, Yeah,
it was exceptional in the Christian Cullen, you know, like
those guys when they first came in, Josh Cromfield. I
mean there was three or four of them in that
ninety ninety five World Cup that were there were first
years and they were worthy of being nominated for Player
of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
So yeah, why not other matters around today a Test
cricket I'm enjoying watching the Test cricket yesterday was a
stark contrast to the first day. Seventeen wickets on the
first day in Perth. But India once they got Australia
right yesterday one hundred and seventy two without loss and
their second end is the lead of two hundred and eighteen.

Speaker 16 (01:37:20):
I know it's amazing, isn't it. So where does that
put in New Zealand? Are we just the best in
the world?

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Come on, I think we must be. I think we must.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:37:29):
Well, look, Australia is our kryptonite, so I'm happy for
them to be taken out a few picks, but we
really need to play Australia too sweet and I think
it is coming up as at a pony, so we
will find out sooner or later whether we can put
it with them. The one thing is is that I'm
always keeping an eye on, you know, the Fab four
and of batters these days and their test averages. So

(01:37:53):
I'm talking about Steve Smith, Joe Ruth, Cain, Williamson and
Bear at Coley and Coley is in a massive slump,
which is wonderful to see. So he has done in
the fourties. Now he's averaged forty seven or something like
that and dropping. Caine is in second place behind Steve Smith.
But I noticed Steve Smith as well having a few hiccups,

(01:38:15):
so long may that last. I'm always keen for Caine
to to finish on top. But what I really want
to see from him with the Test match coming up
now of the series against England. Is he still the
Caine we remember because he has struggled with England against
England before apart from that Test match at the base,
and he's had problems and if it is, If that

(01:38:37):
is the case, maybe it is time became. They go, well,
you know, the eyes aren't going to get any younger
and the team's in good Stead without me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
No, no, yeah, Joe, I don't want to think about
the day he walks away. But yeah, yeah, it's obviously coming,
isn't it. It'll be, It'll happen at some point. Hey,
I just need to ask about the A League as
well of finish here on the air at three and
then I'm just going to couch it for the Wellington
Phoenix against Melbourne victory and then all on FC against MacArthur.

(01:39:08):
Had a textas morning from a friend of mine saying, Hey,
should I back both of the New Zealand teams at
the T A B in a MALTI would you be
doing that?

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:39:16):
I wouldn't, but that's just because I think we don't
know how good awkward c is. I mean that they
that Derby game was something special and you know crazy
mistake from the keeper to have decides it right, So
MacArthur will test them. I think they see a building
something really great though. Now Wellington Phoenix, I think they

(01:39:40):
they can be exceptional this year, so maybe they're they're
you think there might be a better bet. But the
victory that the best put together team in the A
League really they've got. You know, they're probably the most
stacked team, so that is tough. And that's that replay
from the from that playoff match earlier in the year,
so tough to see. I still think Giancarlo Ittaliano, chief

(01:40:04):
of the coach, as a genius, so we'll see if
that bears out and see oppony and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
You see Man City lost again this morning. That was
a shame.

Speaker 16 (01:40:12):
I know how good is that. I don't know if
I was always hoping for Nottingham Forrest to do it
at Leicester City, but I think it is Brighton. I
think they could do it.

Speaker 8 (01:40:21):
Let's just hope.

Speaker 16 (01:40:21):
I know Liverpool's your team and all that sort of thing,
and they have got most seller and all time grants
out there, but I just want to see someone like
Brighton come up and upset the apple cart. And I
need to say one last thing about Sam Kane, because
you know, we we you know he did follow on
from Whichie McCaw hardest that to follow, since I think
I've seen it before Freddie Mercury at Live A but
spending his whole all Beck's career trying to silence the

(01:40:44):
critics and only really managing the silence them after that
Ireland World Cup quarter final last year. That's a long time.
That is a lot to you know, a big burden
for someone like that, and including him throwing breaking in
net halfway through. I think he's been one of the
toughest and I guess, let's put it this way, he
made the most of his talent, Sam Kane, so nothing

(01:41:08):
but paud it and he deserves as flowers.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Absolutely right. Thanks James, always good to chat to you, mate.
Thanks indeed, James mcconey a huge part of our Sundays.
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the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of sport
News Talk.

Speaker 11 (01:42:22):
Said been.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
Two o seven, thanks for joining us on Weekend Sport.
I'm Jason Pine, Mark Kelly producing the show. We're here
till three and then Tim Beveridge takes over with the
Weekend Collective Sunday edition. Quite a bit to get through
before then, though, Hayden wild standing by the chat to
us what a year it's been for him, including a
silver medal and a highly dramatic men's triathlon race at
the Paris Olympic Games. How does he reflect on that

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and his year and what lies ahead for Hayden Wild
We'll circle back to the All Blacks as well the
post match thoughts of t J Pettenada, not only post
match but post All Black's career for him and football.
Double dose of football this afternoon in the A League
means the Wellington Phoenix up against Melbourn victory at three
point thirty. Auckland FC looking to continue their perfect start
at six o'clock to night against McCarthy. We'll get you

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inside both camps and guess the grunter well grunts plural.
We've got two more double passes to give away to
the asp Classic if you can guess who's grunting when
we play this audio out in the next little while.
But as the clock techs around to eight pass two,
as we always do at around about this time on
weekend sport, it as time for for you to catch

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up on some of the stuff that might have escaped
your attention in case you missed it. As what we
call it, we start with Test cricket and Perth. We're
India have dominated day two of the first Test against Australia.

Speaker 26 (01:43:41):
And beautifully negotiated by Kohu it's textbook stuff from the
Indian opener and he has played his role for his
country in partnership with Josephile.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
It was seventy two unbeaten opening stand. Dat Kylie will
come and applaud his teammates India start of the day.
We're nice position, are now controlling this Test match. They
are one hundred and seventy two without lost. India in
their second innings is the lead of two hundred and
eighteen with all ten second innings wickets and hand hitting

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into day three to the Premier League Arsenal too good
for Nottingham Forest.

Speaker 24 (01:44:19):
Starting on another splendid Arsenal doll.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
And this time it's the seventeen year old substitute.

Speaker 26 (01:44:31):
Eaton one year last naught out standard.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Goals from all areas.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
I'm not really the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Icing on the cake here. The gunner's winning three nil
to go fourth. London neighbors Chelsea up to third.

Speaker 27 (01:44:44):
Great keeping it in here, Jackson, you'll keep it throws,
can't stop it falling rigs o Banandez and Chelsea.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Have daylight here Chelsea winning two to one over Leicester.
But the big shock was at the Eddy Ad where
Men City hosted Tottenham.

Speaker 28 (01:44:59):
Could be more team for Tottenham. Two thick and he's
running at and cask Carl Walker and Jason c Fleet.
The route, yes, a route at the Etty Head, but
it's run perpetrated by Chotenham hotspurather visitors. This will be
the most eye catching score line right across Europe this
weekend and it's five, yes, five consecutive defeats for the champions.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Here four il winners Tottenham at men City this morning,
closer to home the Sydney Derby and the A League
means last night. This is why he has such an impact.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
At the outset of the second half. Here is Bavala.

Speaker 29 (01:45:35):
Bay to Shorty. Let's go Bodvala just as we were
writing him up school Sydney at c S four goal
and the wondrous.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
Comeback is cross and to taste Rugby Ireland far too
good for Fiji this morning.

Speaker 30 (01:45:52):
The clock is rated Brenda Gas. We'll stop it into
the sun after sputtering in tonight.

Speaker 14 (01:46:03):
This awesome.

Speaker 30 (01:46:06):
Yet again in Dublin funwittings for the first time since February.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
And South Africa inflicting further misery on Warren Gatland's Welsh side.

Speaker 27 (01:46:19):
It's three out of three on their UK tour. For
Sia Colisi.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
And his spring books.

Speaker 27 (01:46:27):
It's seven tries to two and full time in Cardif
It's Wales, twelve, South Africa forty five weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
On News Talk SEB. What a year it's been for
Hayden wild He was part of an absolutely dramatic means
triathlon race at the Paris Olympic Games.

Speaker 31 (01:46:47):
It has been nothing short of sensational from Hayden Wilds.
But here's alex He certainly closed the gap as they
make the one hundred and eighty degree turn for home.
Alex He's left it to the final moments where you
are going to have a sprint finish here in Parish, Alexye.
He is within meters now and alex Ye has timed

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it to absolute perfection. Alex Ye overtakes Hayden Wilds and
is in the gold medal position with the final bush
towards the finish line absolutely unbelievable. He turns for home.
Alex Ye, that is simply sensational. Weeds off our cap

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to you here in New Zealand. It is heartbreaking for
Hayden Wilds, but alex Ye has left it to about
two hundred three hundred meters to go on the final
turn to win gold in the men's triathlon in Olympic
record time, beating out Hayden Wilds by seven agonizing, extruciating seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Ah yeah, we're reliving it all. Nick Billie's wonderful call.
Olympic silver medal for Hayden Wi Wild in Paris, Super
Try champion this year, the first Kiwi winner of the
Laguna Puquette Triathlon in Thailand, third in the World Triathlon
Series after winning the season finale in Spain last month,
and back home now to prepare for the iron Man

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seventy point three World Championship in Topor on December fifteen.
Hayden Wild is with us on Weekend Sport. Actually, let's
start there. Hayden in Topor December fifteen, the Ironman seventy
point three World Championship.

Speaker 32 (01:48:36):
How are you tracking towards that event? Okay, may hopefull
as well? Yeah, tracking very well. I think I'm currently
running on fumes. Has been a very big back end
of the season, but I'm kind of yeah, looking forward
to racing the cerning point three World champs in totpar
just more so. It's just a different format and it
kind of you know, spices up a little bit then

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to what I originally do, So it's actually kind of
actually pushed the motivation up a.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Lot more So.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
The distance is quite different, aren't they? From Olympic distance
one point nine k swim, ninety k bike, half marathon run.
Have you had to up your training or do you
already have the base that will allow you to do
well and over those distances?

Speaker 32 (01:49:17):
Yeah, so I guess pretty pretty lucky that training for
Olympic distance. You know, we're on about twenty five thirty
hours of training a week, so there's just like a
little like few tweaks that you do throughout the training sessions,
you know, more time on the time trail bike consider
the road bike is Yeah, predominantly you're you know, you're
racing on the TT bike and then just like those

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longer are teen po efforts normally obviously it's so weird
like biomechanically and yeah, nearly speaking like it for me,
it's so easy to run it it's to any point
three pace, but it's to learn how to run at
that pace. It's like like it's so funny, it's a
weird thing to say, but you know, I'm more than
happy to run, you know, to two fifty two fifty

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fives off the bike for ten k, but it's actually
really hard for me to slow my body right down
and and run, you know, a little bit slower to
survive the twenty one k.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
I'm sure you'll work it out once topour rolls around.
I just want to ask you about a couple of
your recent recent wins, the Laguna Pouquette triathlon in Thailand.
How do you reflect on that?

Speaker 32 (01:50:21):
Yeah, it was an awesome experience, you know, like it's
one of those iconic races and in the trifon world
that you want to win. So to take the win
and you know, I didn't realize but your first KIV
to do it, which is cool, you know, like many
Olympic champions have won the race and it's a pretty
iconic one and to get the course for record along
with it was pretty awesome as well.

Speaker 14 (01:50:40):
And just really enjoying my time on the time trial bike.
And I mean it was so hot, like I was.

Speaker 32 (01:50:46):
I came from Abu Dhabi which was for two weeks,
and yeah, it was actually like super hot there and
but the humidity wasn't as high.

Speaker 14 (01:50:53):
But racing and pooquit.

Speaker 32 (01:50:55):
It was a storm the day before and it just
made it so humid, and it wasn't actually too hot,
like it was only like relatively speaking, it was only
about thirty degrees.

Speaker 14 (01:51:06):
I was used to training in thirty five plus.

Speaker 32 (01:51:09):
But it was just the humidity just eats you from
inside out and you're just trying and cool down, but
your body course is so elevated.

Speaker 14 (01:51:16):
And for example, you know I was running for twelve k.
I normally run for.

Speaker 32 (01:51:20):
Twelve k about two fifty two fifty five pace at
about one sixty five one seventy heart race. For this race,
I was running thirty seconds slower at about three to
twenty paces, and my heart rate was as as high
as it was running Yeah, that two fifty two to
fifty five pace. So it just gives you an example
of how tough it is racing and that sort of community.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Absolutely, And what about the winning Malaga in Spain in
the final event of the World Triathlon Series. How satisfying
was that it was?

Speaker 14 (01:51:50):
It was it was awesome.

Speaker 32 (01:51:51):
That was literally the way I raced there was literally
how how I you know, you never Triython's is one
of those ones where you can't control a race and
you can't predict it. But the way that I won
that race and the way I raced it was the
way that I wanted to win Paris, and I know
I had it in me to do it that sort
of way, and yeah, the stars aligned and to take
a grand final out I was. I was pretty proud

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of that one, and yeah, definitely one of my most
completed complete races with all three disciplines and yet to
take other grand final was pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
You mentioned Paris there. How do you reflect on the
Olympic triathlon?

Speaker 17 (01:52:25):
Yeah, like it was.

Speaker 32 (01:52:27):
It was, you know, I yeah, as much as you
want to you wanted to win the win the gold, silver,
it was and I have to be proud of it,
you know. I put everything out on the line and
I was, yeah, absolutely stoked the way I raced, and
I still to this day like it was.

Speaker 14 (01:52:43):
It was a great race to me.

Speaker 32 (01:52:44):
You know, it was a little bit behind on the swim,
but there was people in that swim that were in
front of me that normally aren't, and there were people
that normally swim in front of me were well behind,
and it was just the currents of the of the
sin that was very tricky to navigate, and yeah, for
me it only took you know, a good ten minutes
to catch back up with the help of my teammate Dylan,

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And yeah, it was just like looking back, just it
was a great it was a great team effort. But
also it was just yes, so cool to to grab
another medal, you know, with trifle, you just don't you know,
we don't get the opportunity to race for for six
medals or anything per games. We only get one chance
every four years, so it's you're not many people can

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say they've been to two games and got two Olympic medals.

Speaker 14 (01:53:30):
So pretty pretty proud of that.

Speaker 32 (01:53:32):
And yeah, I guess like one thing that I do
look back on is I guess a little bit of
frustration from the from the decision was I think we
were expecting to potentially have the date postpone, but to
have it at a different time was. Yeah, it was
I think I caught everyone off guard. Being myself based
in Andorra, we didn't prepare at all for the for

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the heat, you know, a bit cold up in the Pyrenees,
and unfortunately the heat got to me in the race.
And yeah, my plan on the run went absolutely perfectly,
but we didn't calculate it was going to be thirties
at high humidity. And as I explained before, you know,
humidity kills you from inside inside out, and that's what
it did in the last few kaes of the run.

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And yeah, it was what it was, and I guess
it just makes me hungry to come back to La.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
The reason for the for being pushed back was the
was the scene right? The water quality? There was so
much discussion about it in the in the lead up
to it. How bad was the scene to swimming?

Speaker 14 (01:54:33):
It actually wasn't too bad.

Speaker 32 (01:54:34):
You know, it didn't smell or was. I personally thought
it was fine. It was just more like the current
was actually really really like tricky to navigate. So you know, example,
if you go to the swimming pool and you want
to and you and you have to swim one minute
twenty for one hundred meters, that's how strong the current was,
so trying to swim that and trying somew one twenty

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four hundred meters in the pool and that's how us
the current was. So we went down, We went down
the scene in you know, four minutes over four hundred
and fifty meters. We came back in about ten minutes,
So it just shows how hard it was to navigate
and how hard that somee was.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
And you mentioned before how the time change altered things
with the humidity and how that sort of caught up
with you on the run. Hindsight, it's always a wonderful thing.
But would you have done anything differently given your time?

Speaker 14 (01:55:23):
Again, I don't, honestly.

Speaker 32 (01:55:26):
The only thing I would have done different would have
been preparations training would have been just more a little
bit more heat training, and that's all I would have done,
to be honest.

Speaker 14 (01:55:35):
Yeah, everything else was perfect.

Speaker 32 (01:55:38):
Like I was swimming the best I've ever swum, I
was riding extremely strong, and yeah, I was running the
way I ran That race was exactly how I wanted
to run it.

Speaker 14 (01:55:46):
It was just, yeah, it wasn't meant to be.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
As you look ahead, then, Hayden, is there one of
the three disciplines where you can see the biggest potential
for growth and improvement over the next Olympic cycle?

Speaker 32 (01:55:58):
Yeah, Like, obviously to swim is my weakest and I'm
starting with a new swim coach. Obviously saw coach by Craig,
but been a watchful live of my useoom coach, Fred
who's who was the head of Yeah Spanish swimming for
six Olympic cycles. He's been my coach for two years
now and it's been a process. You know, We've had

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to completely change my biomechanical movements in the water, so
my whole stroke technique, because yeah, as much as you
can get fitter and faster in the pool, you're never
going to get faster overall just with techniques.

Speaker 14 (01:56:33):
So techniques are massive part to play.

Speaker 32 (01:56:34):
And yeah, that was part of part of our restructure
and into into Paris. And I know when my body
gets used to the new style, I'll just get faster
and faster in the water, which is as super satisfying
to know that. And I know also we've found data
within my training that there's many areas in the bike

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that I can improve as well. And that's the good
thing is when I get faster in the swimm, I've
become more efficient. When I've become more faster and more
efficient on the bike makes my run even faster. So
it's a pretty scary thing, but I know I can
actually improve a heck of a lot heading into heading
into la But it depends on how much my composition

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also improves as well, But I know which is it
is pretty exciting that I know that I can improve
still a loss in my I guess my third Olympic.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
Cycle absolutely that's bringing well bronze, Tokyo silver powers. I
mean the stars are aligning, aren't they for gold in
la or know, it's easy to say, but that is that.
That's where we're headed now. But in amongst all of that,
are you going to do more of the longer distance
stuff or how will the next three or four years
be structured for you?

Speaker 32 (01:57:42):
Yeah, so for the next two years, I've decided to
take your break on the Olympic distance racing, and yeah,
it's a good opportunity just to have a mental break
as well. And for me, I'll be doing the T
one hundred series, so it's like one hundred kilometer distance
which is just below a half home man and that's
the new pro series, So I'll be doing that for
the next few years, but also doing the super try stuff.

(01:58:03):
So keeping working on my weakness throughout the next two
years and is having a good time, but also yeah,
going into the supertri stuff that I know really well,
but yeah, keeping that speed and that sharpness from that racing.
So and then two years before the Olympics in la

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Is to get back on the horse and yeah, get
back into it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Wonderful stuff. Well you provided us with a marvelous moment
in Paris, Hayden. Great to have you back home all
the west in Topaul middle of December, and then hopefully
a break after that. Great to get the chance to
chat mate. Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 14 (01:58:38):
Cheers for having mate.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
No, thank you for joining us, Hayden. Hayden, while there
are bronze and a silver now in the men's triathlon
at the last two Olympic Games, so yeah, maybe maybe
it's gold in la and twenty twenty eight. Good to
know he's committed to the next Olympic cycle. It is
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Speaker 14 (01:59:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
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two ninety two to twenty five back in a moment
talking some football, You.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
Be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport with Jason Hym and GJ. Gunnerholmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
There'd be two twenty eight Auckland FC back in a
league football action this evening as they look to extend
their perfect start to their maiden season. They take on
MacArthur FC six o'clock kickoff tonight as part of U
Nite Round. One of their best in the first three
games has been New Zealand fall back Francis Devreese Is
he like just Devreese?

Speaker 27 (02:00:45):
And Francis de Freese gets on the score sheet, very first.

Speaker 29 (02:00:51):
Goal for New Zealand player who's torn away in the
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
Domestic scene for some seasons before getting a chance to
play in.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
The A League at Auckland FC.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
Weeks later, he's gotten your white shirt on us back
and now he's gone. Francis Devreese joins us from Sydney
ahead of the game tonight. Thanks for your time, Francis.
Three games, three wins, three clean sheets. It could hardly
have gone any better. What do you think AUCKLANDFC have
started so well?

Speaker 23 (02:01:19):
Wait, dreams start.

Speaker 33 (02:01:20):
I think above everybody's expectations and the reason why it's
been like that, There's always many factors, but one of
them has just been the amount of work with putting
the pre season like. It's been a very hard, long
preseason and the coaches have come up with a clear
plan of how to play and how we're going to
implement that. So the lads have been working really hard
and the culture off the field has been very progressive

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so far. So I think kind of a lot of
things coming together to provide that outcome that you see
on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
Because of the buy and then the international break, Auckland
FC haven't played for three weeks. Was there a sense
that you would have liked to have sort of kept
going just to continue that momentum?

Speaker 4 (02:02:00):
One percent.

Speaker 33 (02:02:01):
I mean you've been in sport a long time and
you see hard is when when a team is doing well,
you just want to keep playing and you have this
mindset where everything is kind of aligned, and now it
does feel a little bit like you're starting a game.
Three weeks is a long time in the football world,
so you know, we know our processes. We'll get back
out there and do our best. But would have definitely
liked to play in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
It does seem like a while ago now. But how
much did you enjoy the first New Zealand derby?

Speaker 4 (02:02:28):
Yeah, no, it was great.

Speaker 33 (02:02:29):
Look like, we know a lot of the boys on
their team and they know us well too, so it's
always good to play against your mates. Of course, there
was quite a bit of hype around that, as it
would be with the first big derby and a long
time in New Zealand, but very much enjoyed it obviously
positive result for us, but it's always nice to share
the pitch with those boys. And all of us grew

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up at a time where that wasn't a thing in
New Zealand. So to be able to be a part
of the inaugural one and to kind of provide that
to the next generation of New Zealand young footballers coming through,
that was really really cool.

Speaker 2 (02:03:01):
Yeah. Also, I know we're here to talk about MacArthur,
but the first home derby isn't that far away. I
a couple of weeks of way, Saturday December seven. How
big an occasion you reckon? That might be at Mount
Smart Hopefully I sell out.

Speaker 33 (02:03:13):
Look like you can't ask for many more occasions lateness
in New Zealand, so hopefully hopefully Auckland turns out for it.
I hear ticket sales are going well, so get in there,
because I don't think there's many less I think you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
Might be right, all right, let's have like at your performances.
You've played every minute of all three games. How happy
are you with the way you've been playing? Personally?

Speaker 16 (02:03:34):
Yeah, satisfied?

Speaker 33 (02:03:35):
Like as a footballer, you're you're kind of always quite
self critical and you're always looking at things that you
could or should be doing better. But when you speak
with the people around you, the people close to you,
it's a great perspective builder. And so getting a lot
of nice messages you know, from family, from friends, you know,
kind of off support and also of you know, encouragement

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to keep this going. So may I'm stoked with how
it's gone so far. I'm also very conscious that we're
only three games in, so this is the beginning.

Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
Hopefully there's plenty more to come.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Something which has called the eye in the first three
game for a lot of people. As the combination you're
forging down the left hand side with Liam Gillion, how
much you enjoying that particular combination peeps.

Speaker 33 (02:04:17):
You know, I played against them in the National League
and that wasn't too much fun, So it was pretty
pretty stoke when he came.

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
Over to us.

Speaker 33 (02:04:24):
We're actually roommates as well a lot of the time
on a wait trips, so we obviously get on well
personally too, and I think that counts for a lot.
When you're out on the perch, you know, you've got
that level of trust with one another, and Ma is
on fire, like are just passing the ball and run
and it makes me look good.

Speaker 16 (02:04:38):
Happy day.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
So MacArthur tonight they got all right. They beat Sydney
FC away last time out. How do you assess the
threat that they'll present to you tonight.

Speaker 33 (02:04:48):
Yeah, very good team going forwards. I think they create
a lot of chances and they kind of bank on
that as well with their style of play. I think
it'll be a tough game also, our first one over
an oars, so you've got to think about the travel
and all of that. But I think the boys are
up for it, and we're pretty keen to impose ourselves
as well in Australia. You know, like you talked about

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the great start that we've had for us, it's you know,
kind of forging ahead and trying to stamp our mark
on a new thing that we haven't achieved yet, you know,
first away when or first away points, maybe get a
clean sheet away. So these are the kind of things
we're looking for. We obviously know they're dangerous, but we
also know what we're really good at and that's what
we're going to bring.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
Can I ask you about your skipper, Hiroki Sakay You know,
it seems from the outside looking in as though he's
already a pretty influential guy in your team environment. What
is he like inside Auckland FC?

Speaker 33 (02:05:42):
When you've been to three World Cups and you're still
the most humble guy in the changing room. I think
it affects a lot of people just with the demeanor
that he has. So he's a massive positive role model
for many of us, you know, definitely for me, I'm
sure a lot of the other boys feel the same.
As a football player, obviously is quality, I don't need
to hype that up because you get to watch.

Speaker 9 (02:06:01):
It every weekend.

Speaker 33 (02:06:02):
But as a person, you know, very humble, very willing
to speak and share his knowledge and also to have
a laugh. So yeah, he's definitely a big driving force
in the dressing room for making everyone feel comfortable, but
then also showing us, you know, what is what you
could be capable of if you have the level of
dedication and professionalism that he has.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
Speaking of international football, we saw you play your first
game for New Zealand and over two years on Monday
against some More scored a goal as well, your first
one for the All Whites. How much did you enjoy
being back in the national setup.

Speaker 33 (02:06:34):
Heys man, I'm glad you didn't hold your breath for
my first goal.

Speaker 4 (02:06:36):
There's a long time.

Speaker 33 (02:06:42):
Very stoked, you know, Like when I got injured and
chose to come back to New Zealand instead of remaining
in Europe, I was very conscious that I was giving
up some things and the All Whites was one of them.
And Bays was always very honest with me, saying that
I needed to be back in a professional environment before
I'd be considered again. So to be able to get
the chance again and first game on home soil as well,

(02:07:05):
it meant the world to me.

Speaker 9 (02:07:06):
Like had mum and dad.

Speaker 33 (02:07:08):
Watching, had my partner Lisa watching, and the goal was
kind of the cherry on top, you know.

Speaker 12 (02:07:12):
I was just stoked to be there and be able.

Speaker 16 (02:07:14):
To put on the shirt and you feel ten feet
toul when you got it there.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
It's a good finish, man, I mean, it's no foregone
conclusion you'll get that in the net. That's a good finish.

Speaker 33 (02:07:24):
Yeah, facts, I'm really happy with it, you know, like
obviously working on those kind of finishes. Yeah, when you
hit one of them in training, you go ballistic, you know. Yeah,
that was an incredible goal. So the game obviously five
min al up you couldn't go knee sliding into the corner,
but that's kind of how it felt like.

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
And with a World Cup on the horizon, All Whites
now just two games away from securing qualification, how keen
are you to stay involved in the All Whites over
the next couple of years and maybe go to the
World Cup?

Speaker 25 (02:07:55):
Very much?

Speaker 33 (02:07:55):
So, you know, like it's a really real motivator every
day now, especially when you've just been in that environment,
had a taste of it, Like, I'm under no illusions
that I need to continue to play really well for
Auckland to remain in contention, because there's very many other
good players, especially in my position too, So mate, I'll

(02:08:15):
just keep doing the same thing, like it is a boost,
you know, it is a bit of an extrinsic like
this is what you could get if you keep going well,
although I think the more important thing is sticking with
your internal standards and consistently trying to give your best,
you know, your best if at your best character, your
best quality, and then we'll see what happens after that.

Speaker 2 (02:08:37):
And you mentioned the conversational conversations with Darren Basley before
you had a lot of time overseas playing Switzerland US Sweden.
When you return back to New Zealand, did you feel
as though your days as a full time pro might
be done?

Speaker 33 (02:08:52):
Yeah, for sure, mate, Like I'm not going to lie
and say like I had this all planned out of
my head, because we don't even know.

Speaker 12 (02:08:59):
Awkwardness there was going to be a thing.

Speaker 33 (02:09:02):
Even when I was back here playing, I knew there
were no guarantees of signing for Auckland when they became
a club. So when I came back to New Zee,
it was a very conscious choice of me and my
partner Lissa.

Speaker 16 (02:09:13):
We're moving back to essentially start.

Speaker 33 (02:09:15):
A new life together after many years overseas, So to
have the opportunity almost like a third life of professional
football for me is so you don't take for granted.
So that's why you know I was talking about the
motivation coming from inside again before.

Speaker 23 (02:09:30):
That's what it feels like every.

Speaker 16 (02:09:32):
Morning when you get up.

Speaker 33 (02:09:33):
You know you've got this wonderful opportunity and you know
not to take that for granted. So that's the kind
of mindset that I try and approach each day with.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
Well, it's obviously working for any You've started the season
brilliantly back in the all whites of goal. It's all
gone well for you at the moment. Mate, long mate,
continue all the best against MacArthur tonight. Thanks for taking
the time for a chat.

Speaker 33 (02:09:52):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 16 (02:09:54):
Have a good day.

Speaker 2 (02:09:54):
You have a good day too, Francis Devrees there from
Auckland FC. They take on MacArthur six o'clock to night,
New Zealand time three point thirty. This afternoon, it's the
Wellington Phoenix back in action. They take on Melbourne Victory,
top side in the competition from three point thirty. Midfielder
Paulo Retroy missed the first three games of the season
as he recovered from a nigli injury, but he debuted

(02:10:17):
in the last game, a three nil win over the
Central Coast Mariners. I spoke to Polo Retroy during the
week and asked how he came through his first game
in a Phoenix shirt.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (02:10:25):
Look, I guess before the game was sort of a
plan to do forty five or sixty and I ended
up getting, yeah, the sixty minutes, and so I was
happy to come out there and get back in one piece.

Speaker 2 (02:10:36):
Yeah, must have been a nice occasion too. A three
nil went away at the Mariners off the back of
the loss in the derby. How much of a confidence boost.

Speaker 6 (02:10:43):
Was it for the team?

Speaker 10 (02:10:44):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 24 (02:10:45):
I think like obviously, like you said, we were disappointed
from the result in the Auckland game, and I think
it was just like that little bit extra desire I
guess to you know, show you that obviously we care.

Speaker 10 (02:10:57):
It's the fans.

Speaker 24 (02:10:58):
So now it was good top performance from the guys.
I think all around quite a good display and yeah,
hopefully that can sort of help us build a platform
to kick on.

Speaker 2 (02:11:08):
For the rest of the season, an international break and
then across. Now for you night round against Victory on Sunday.
What's the situation with your minute? So will you be
able to play another hour or maybe even longer?

Speaker 14 (02:11:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:11:20):
I think so.

Speaker 24 (02:11:21):
Look at the moment, I'm just trying to do the
best I can with whatever minutes. So yeah, I think
that's up to Chief here and the and the fitness stuff.
But yeah, the plans sort of around something similar or
maybe try and get a little bit more out of me,
But yeah, we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (02:11:36):
How did you find it out there? Did you know?
Did you enjoy playing for Wellington Phoenix?

Speaker 24 (02:11:41):
Yeah, obviously for me, like it's a yeah, I was
really proud and it's like, obviously to get a result
like that in my first game, I probably didn't really
think that would go like that, but yeah, no, I'm
really happy and I'm really happy to be here and
hopefully I can contribute on the pitch the best I can.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
Yeah, it's the style that Wellington play and your role
inside that style is something you feel you can contribute
pretty sonificantly in.

Speaker 14 (02:12:07):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 24 (02:12:08):
I think the way the team plays sort of suits
my style of gameplay. So yeah, I'm hoping to contribute.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
A lot in Melbourne Victory on Sunday. You've played them
a lot in Derby's and Big Blues. I had a
quick chick. Actually you've played them twenty three times and
only lost seven, so they're your buddies man. You know,
why do you go so well against Victory?

Speaker 8 (02:12:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 24 (02:12:30):
I used to play there as a junior, so I
don't know. Maybe I've got some inside knowledge that that
I don't know about. But now I think for me
growing up, like obviously being a Melbourne boy, like I
always look forward to that picture. Obviously, they're a big club,
one of the biggest clubs in the A League, so yeah,
they're always a top team and they obviously got a
good team now, good coach, well drilled out the top

(02:12:52):
of the table I think or near there.

Speaker 10 (02:12:54):
So yeah, that will be a good game.

Speaker 24 (02:12:56):
I'm really excited for it, and I think it'll be
a good game for us to show our quality as
well like the Mariners.

Speaker 10 (02:13:02):
So yeah, hopefully it goes that way as well.

Speaker 2 (02:13:04):
That's Polo rech Rait and you to the Phoenix the season,
but to a winning start. He will start again this
afternoon against Melbourne Victory. That game is about fifty minutes
away at in Sydney for a U night round. All
of the games are in Sydney this weekend for the
men and the women. All right, guess the grunter. We've
got our winner for the last one off to the
day session on January the sixth, is Joy Phillips. Well done, Joy,

(02:13:28):
you correctly identified our grunter as a four time Grand
Slam wanner from Spain with a name that sounds a
bit like a prison as Carlos al Caraz. Carlos el
Carez was the answer. Now we go straight into our
final grunter of the weekend. This is for two tickets
to the evening session at the ASB Classic on the
thirtieth of December, so the front end rather of the

(02:13:52):
Women's Week. In fact, it's the first evening session of
the Women's Week. So all you have to do is
tell me who you think this is. Yes, and fairly
vigorous grunting going on there. If you're not who it is,
I'll give you a call in a minute. Text the

(02:14:13):
word tennis, then your name and then who you think
that is? To nine two niney two. Russian former world
number one, five time Grand Slam winner, has won each
of the form majors at a stage during her career,
and at one stage I remember they took a reading

(02:14:33):
of how loud her grunting was, and it was it
was up there. I don't know if it was a
world record, but it was certainly loud. So Russian former
world number one. If you think you know who that is,
Text the word tennis, then your name and then the

(02:14:54):
identity of the grunter to nine two nine two eighteen
away from three.

Speaker 1 (02:14:59):
It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason
Fine and GJ. Garnomes, New Zealand he's most trusted home
builder News.

Speaker 2 (02:15:08):
Dogs two forty five. I want to circle back to
the rugby to finish t J pet Andada played his
final Test match for the All Blacks this morning and
and leading the Hacker. Before the game, he he made
a statement used some different words at the start of
the Hacker. He did some postmatch media a short time
ago and was asked what he said before the Hauker.

Speaker 34 (02:15:30):
The first line that I said was gotenehucker cartur Or,
which means the suckers for everyone in Altor. And we've
been away from home and seeing the unity and the
unification of our people back home, all people of Altor

(02:15:50):
and paying homage to to us as people and showing
unification together as one and like we countries go through
tough times, people go through tough times, families go through
tough times, and for us to pay homage to the
unification of all of us is something that we.

Speaker 10 (02:16:08):
Wanted to do and that we wanted to do which
was important.

Speaker 30 (02:16:11):
And did you talk about the treaty as well?

Speaker 34 (02:16:13):
And yeah so and tot mini minimal to hockey, tod
to a white tonguey, which is like stand and pay
respect to our funera which is our fenera minimal to hockey,
which is our sovereignty. We run sovereignty and then toy

(02:16:33):
to a white tonguey stand tall, stand proud, and stand
on t D two white tongey.

Speaker 10 (02:16:40):
So uniting us all as people.

Speaker 34 (02:16:42):
I know some people might see or try and make
it political or divisive, but for us, unity and being together.

Speaker 10 (02:16:52):
Is important, especially as maldi.

Speaker 12 (02:16:55):
What does that mean for you then to lead the
hakker like that?

Speaker 23 (02:16:59):
Have those words on your last game?

Speaker 10 (02:17:01):
Yeah, I mean a lot, I mean a lot. I
know for me, Hakker Hoker is important.

Speaker 34 (02:17:07):
For me, Hucker is something I grew up with and
Huker is something that is gifted from Maudi to.

Speaker 10 (02:17:15):
To a lot of New Zealand, and we use.

Speaker 34 (02:17:17):
Hakker and a lot of different realms and a lot
of different places, but ultimately Hocker is Maldi and for
us to be able to to use Hakker in that way,
and again I will refer to it that people will
try to say that it was divisive, but for us
and for the the way that we use Hacker tonight
was to unify us.

Speaker 2 (02:17:38):
Did you talk to others about what you were going
to say?

Speaker 10 (02:17:41):
What you want to do before you did it. I
definitely did yes, talking then of your game.

Speaker 9 (02:17:45):
Sorry, Greg, How have you reflected on your career?

Speaker 6 (02:17:49):
You feeling emotional?

Speaker 10 (02:17:50):
How are you feeling to that I'm all good, Yeah,
I'm all good.

Speaker 34 (02:17:55):
Like my I want to be the best player in
the world is what I want to be every every
time I walk out there. I want to be the
best player in the world and the team I want
to be the best player in the world for now,
and that is my family, like my wife and my kids.
They mean, the best husband and being the best paper
is the most important thing to me. I'll be going

(02:18:15):
to the Black Cram said, where I will try to
be the best drugging player I can be and want
to be the best drugging player and wealth within.

Speaker 10 (02:18:21):
But the ability to be.

Speaker 34 (02:18:22):
More present with my wife, more present with my kids
allows me to have more impact where.

Speaker 10 (02:18:30):
My most important things in my life are Tinder.

Speaker 35 (02:18:34):
Being over here and looking back into New Zealand. What's
been happening over the last period of time three or
four weeks while you've been here. Has it hurt you
a little bit to see the way the country is
at the moment that the division that they upset the tension, but.

Speaker 34 (02:18:48):
Like, honestly, I see I take a lot of pride
from what's come. Like obviously there's some things that have
happened that have caused some forms of division, But if
you look at our equoy that happened, there might have
been one hundred thousand people there and maybe mate plus
and they're not all my That's why the start of
the Hakker call then the uk more tour or alter

(02:19:12):
means all of the people of Altor so we have Mildi,
pi Asian and like where ever Pakia all coming together,
which to me is such a beautiful thing. And the
ability for us as a nation to be able to
come together on something that could divide our nation is

(02:19:33):
a beautiful thing and something I think our nation should
be proud of.

Speaker 4 (02:19:35):
TJ.

Speaker 10 (02:19:36):
How important was it for you to leave the halfback
judies there.

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
With nine to twenty one whatever it might be, with
Mama and handed over to the next generation of plays.

Speaker 34 (02:19:44):
Yeah, I would never say it was mine to hand over,
to be honest, But I spoke to cam Roygard it
would have been probably three or four years ago when
we were at the hurricanes, and something that was really
important to me was anything that I left. I needed
to know that that nine Jersey was in the same
spot or a better spot than if I left.

Speaker 10 (02:20:03):
And to have Courtiers and Cam in this team.

Speaker 34 (02:20:08):
I think we all know how good those two players are,
and I'm really proud of the players that they are,
and I'm really excited about their future.

Speaker 10 (02:20:15):
And to have Cam at the Hurricanes.

Speaker 34 (02:20:18):
Like he's a world class player and I don't think
we've seen the best of him yet.

Speaker 10 (02:20:23):
We definitely have not seen the best of him yet.

Speaker 34 (02:20:24):
He's going to be someone that we talk about for
a long time, someone that you guys talk about for
a long time, and I'm really excited to see the
growth in his game.

Speaker 2 (02:20:33):
That is TJ. Pettanada a short time ago, speaking with
media postmatch and children. Look, I don't expect that TJ's
words or actions will meet with universal approval. For whatever reason,
he seems to be a bit of a lightning rod
for polarization. I think a lot of people are just
a bit threatened by his willingness to use his platform

(02:20:55):
to put the spotlight on the issues which are most
important to him. For what it's worth, I'll tell you
what I think. I think it's impossible to quantify TJ
petandalism on Wellington, the Hurricanes and the All Blacks. But
his legacy is far greater than the games he's played
in the trice he scored for those teams, his positive
influence on the teams he's played for their fans and

(02:21:18):
his community is unmatched. In my experience, he has always
had fearless faith in his own views and the courage
to walk his own path. I think he has been
an absolute force for good in his life and will
continue to be long after his rugby career is over.
I think whatever TJ Petinada lends his voice and his

(02:21:40):
energy too, will be a major beneficiary. He has been
a fantastic All Black. I just wish he and his
family nothing but the best in the next chapters of
their lives. Ight away from three New Stalks, he be.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
The scoon from the track fields and the court on
your home of thought the weekends for it with Jason Vane.

Speaker 2 (02:22:02):
Youth TALKSB five to three. Just remains for us to
get out our final win and guess the grunter Maria Sharapover,
of course, was our grunter. Well done to Todd Langwell,
what on Todd You're off to the evening session at
the ASP Classic on December the thirtieth. Couple of tickets
for you to get along and enjoy that. Get to
the ASP Classic. It is the only place to be

(02:22:22):
if you're in Auckland over the holiday period. ASB Classic
dot co dot nz is the website addressed to find
out more that is us on Weekend Sport for today
and for the weekend. A huge thanks to Mark Kelly
for producing this show today. Good on you mate, We'll
see you next time. Thank you for listening in and
taking part. A lot of interaction on the show this afternoon,
which we always love. Tim Beverage after three, I'm away

(02:22:44):
next weekend, so Elliot Smith, I think's going to jet
back in from the Northern Hemisphere and take the reins.
I'll see you in a couple of weeks. Exit song today,
Well we're saying goodbye to the All Blacks year and
we're saying goodbye from Italy. So Italian tenor Andrea Biccelli
taking us out today. Time to say goodbye. See in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:23:31):
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