December 6, 2024 • 11 mins
The first 11 players –seven men and four women– to be inducted into New Zealand Cricket’s hall of fame have been announced.
The rules require inductees to have played for New Zealand and to have been retired for at least five years, with criteria weighted in favour of performance, leadership and influence.
Emily Drumm, Debbie Hockley, and Brendon McCullum are among the first inductees, and Piney caught up with each of them after the ceremony to discuss the honour.
“To be part of this, you know, inaugural first 11 .... it's a very, very special thing, the likes of probably which I haven't experienced before,” Hockley told him.
“It's a New Zealand cricket family, and I've been privileged to be involved in many things, post cricket, but this is really special,” Drumm said.
“It's incredibly humbling, you know, like I grew up wanting to play cricket for my country and I would have played one test to have played as long as I did and to have any impact whatsoever was, was pretty amazing, and I feel pretty grateful for it,” McCullum said.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Fine
from newstalk EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The first eleven inductees into the New Zealand Cricket Hall
of Fame were revealed at a very special function at
the Basin Reserve at the New Zealand Cricket Museum at
the Basin Reserve, and the eleven inductees were Bert Sutcliffe,
John Reed, Jackie Lord, Trish mcelvey, Glenn Turner, Sir Richard Hadley,
(00:33):
Debbie Hockley, Martin Crowe, Emily Drumm, Daniel Vittori and Brendan McCallum.
A couple of those players obviously have since passed on,
but they were all represented either themselves or by members
of their families. It was a really lovely ceremony inducting
the first eleven into the Hall of Fame. Annually more
(00:53):
players will be added, and I guess there'll be debate
over the next inductees or whether there should have been
some players inducted this time around in the first eleven
who weren't. But those are the eleven. Hockley, as I mentioned,
was one of them. Nineteen test matches she scored thirteen
hundred runs at an average of fifty four centuries, seven
(01:13):
half centuries a top score of one hundred and twenty
six not out against Australia. Was the New Zealand women's
team captain in six Tests and twenty seven One Day
Internationals and all she played one hundred and eighteen One
Day international scoring over four thousand runs at an average
of forty two. She was the first woman to eclipse
four thousand ODI runs and also the first to play
(01:37):
in one hundred One Day Internationals. One of our great
players and one of the inductees into the New Zealand
Cricket Hall of Fame. I spoke to DeBie Hockley briefly
after the ceremony and asked how special it was for her. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Actually, Jason, it's pretty amazing really. I mean, as I've
mentioned earlier, you know, I've had I've had amazing things
happened to me, probably since I finished my playing career.
Some of them sort of individual things, like say when
I was in dated into the IC Scenes Hall of
Fame and when I became New Zealand prison. But to
be part of this, you know, inaugural first eleven, when
(02:11):
I look at the names of the people. I'm standing
here with you and we're looking at the photos on
the walls around here, and I'm just thinking, God, I'm
in the same in the same room as like John Reid,
Bert Zackliffe.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Richard Reser.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Richard doesn't matter because I know him so well anyway,
but even you know, the likes of Jackie Laud, who
I think is you know, I'm so thrilled that she
has been because whose stacks are phenomenal, Christopher Colby and
two of my heroes Betting Emily Drummond, Martin crow Bless
(02:44):
Martin Prowe, but his sister Debs here and it's it's
really hard to explain next year, it's it's a it's
a very very special thing, the likes of probably which
I haven't experienced before.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, that's so well articulated. What about being here at
the base In Reserve. I mean, there are a lot
of wonderful cricket grounds upon which you have done a
lot of wonderful things. How do you reflect on your
time playing cricket at the Basin Reserve.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, probably my best effort at the Basin Reserve, I
think was making really good tasted sandwiches because I don't
know that I ever had really really good scores here,
but the tasted sandwich maker was excellent. It probably wasn't
a particularly happy hunting ground for us here at the basin.
But I was looking at the photo they've got media
(03:30):
in the Hall of Fame here and it's actually Hair
at the Basin Reserve holding the World Cup, yes in
two thousand, which I had tried five times to win.
Finally got my hands on the blooming thing and so
that fader was taken in the basin. So that's probably
my most special memory of the Basin.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And the other great thing about this is that you're
the initial inductees, but annually you're going to be joined
by many, many more of your countrymen and women who
have excelled in cricket as well. But as a foundation member,
I guess you'll always be in the first eleven, even
though you'll probably harm that sort of thing off debbit.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
That's true, That's quite true. I mean, you can you know,
it's you can only ever have the very first thing
of something once, if that makes sense to you. And
I think I feel I just feel like I don't know,
it's all the cliches, like you feel honored and very
privileged to be part of it. But also when I
(04:25):
thought late during this week, when I thought about it,
in some ways it allows you to think, well, you've
actually done something quite cool over your years. You know,
it's not you've not been too shabby as a player,
and that's actually very nice to reflect Ozwale and to
be acknowledged that's the other thing, just to be acknowledged
by someone else, you know, to be part of this
(04:46):
first of evenings, it's very cool.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That's Debbie Hockley who was one of the initial inductees,
as was Emily Drumm, who became the first New Zealand
cricketer to captain a World Cup winning side after New
Zealand's a memorable four run win against Australia at the
Bertzick Clove Oval. In the year two thousands, she played
in five Tests and in the last two produced scores
of one hundred and sixty one not out and sixty
(05:09):
two not out against Australia at christ Church and sixty
two and one hundred and twelve not out against England
at Guildford. Her unbeaten one hundred and sixty one against
Australia was a New Zealand women's Test record at the time.
She also played one hundred One Day internationals for her country,
reaching fifty on twenty one occasions and twice going on
(05:29):
to make a century. So Emily Drum was another in
duc Dee into the Hall of Fame. I spoke to
her about how special it was for her to be
recognized this way.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, it's incredibly special. You've played a life of cracket.
You played for a long time in terms of your career,
but well, you think it's over, you can put your
feet out, and then suddenly this comes around. You're like, Okay,
this is just something new and special and you feel
like a part of a family and it's it's a
(06:00):
Newsiland cricket family and having privileged to be involved in
many things post cricket, but this is really special. I'm
incredibly proud to my family are as too.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
When the citations are read out, and just the achievements
of all of you, but yours in particular, it seems
like you got runs every time you're bad it. How
do you reflect on your international cricket career.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I was just talking about that recently with someone and
sometimes I don't think I appreciated what I did do
in my time in the Black Jersey US goes and
fifteen years, the game's become a little fuzzy and you
don't remember some of the maybe the mediocre games, but
you certainly remember the highlights. And yeah, there's some big
(06:43):
Test innings in there. And I certainly had a ball
with the red ball, you could say, and white ball
was probably our bread and butter, and we didn't play
as many Test match as I'm proud of everything I
did for my country, and to be in this group
is incredible. We've got the greats of the game that
played for New Zealand, both men and women, and you
(07:04):
kind of have to think how I managed to make
the eleven so a special honor and something that I
will remember and my family will remember and enjoy for
what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, you're well and truly worth your place. Can I
ask you about the World Cup one? How often do
you think about that?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Well, I'd prepare to think about my recent one, to
be fair, because that's incredible. I still have to punch
myself to remind myself that that actually happened only a
few months ago, if that, But well, we think about
it a lot, and I was just talking to one
of the girls and just the moments that you remember
(07:43):
are not necessarily the trophies, but it's the times after
you win the trophies, because that's what it's all about,
and you look at each other and their eye you
say we did it, We finally did it. And to
climb that everest, to get to the top and say
that you've won that the biggest trophy of ball at
that time. It doesn't get much better than that. But
(08:04):
it's just one of the peaks I had of my career.
But I'm just so delighted for the recent crop to
get that enjoyment. And you'll never ever surpass it. That
first time will always be the best time, and I
would love if they could do it again. But man,
that's just been the greatest thing in recent times for
the woman's game.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's Emily dram another inductee and finally from the ceremony
on Thursday night, Brendon McCallum, captain who led New Zealand
out of the doldrooms to establish itself by the time
he retired as one of the best teams in the world.
Along the way, he started in various roles, scoring New
Zealand's first triple century and Test matches of course at
one point, and the fastest century and Test history of
(08:43):
fifty four balls at another. Under his leadership, New Zealand
reached the World Cup Final for the first time in
twenty fifteen and went thirteen consecutive home Test matches without
a defeat. Brendan McCullum was the first cricketer to play
in one hundred consecutive Tests from his debut. He was
there Thursday night as well. Of course he's here as
coach of the England cricket team. I congratulated him and
(09:04):
asked him what it meant to be recognized this way?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Thank you Bane. Yeah, it's obviously it's amazing that it's
very humbling and you look around the fellow inductees into
the first step of all the fame and you sit
back and you go, criky, I'm not sure I should
be here, but you know that's I guess there was
room for one slogger in this. It was nice to
be able to nice to be able to get the
selection of us. Honestly, it's incredibly humbling. You know, I
(09:29):
grew up wanting to play cricket for my country and
I would have played one Test to play it as
long as I didn't to have any impact to whatsoever.
It was pretty amazing and I feel incredibly grateful for it.
But to be honest in the way that we have
been tonight is really humbling and a great feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You've had a lot of cricket balls and a lot
of cricket grounds around the world, but it's the basin
a little bit special for you because I thot' three.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
O two Yeah, definitely, I think, you know, I think
what it meant for the country and those that support
New Zealand cricket, and the obviously the journey that we've
been on with Martin Crows, the late great Martin Crows
two nine to nine, and then for someone to have
got over hurdle and then to see how much it
meant to the packed house that day as well. It
(10:12):
is a significant sort of place for me and I've
had some really special memories here and not always your
own memories, you know. I remember times with bold teams
out and have famous test wins here that you've been
a part of, and other guys being successful, and it's
just a great ground to play. It's so unique in
its own way and sort to see the home of
the New Zealand Cricket Museum and as it really is,
(10:33):
the HQ of New Zealand cricket, and.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You refocus quickly now after tonight back into your day
job of coaching the England side. You're looking forward to
the next five days.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, well that's just like irony thing as a sort
of Obviously tomorrow we go to battle and I'm trying
to find ways for our England boys to so hopefully
take it to new lead in the series. But you know,
I really looked forward to I thought the first Test
match was it was a lot closer than what the
March and looked on paper. I think if these elm
were out to hold their catches and it would have
(11:03):
been a little bit different and they would have put
us under a lot of pressure. So we know that
we're realistic with the standards that we need to meet
and make sure that we go there and still play
the style that gives us our best chance. And I
think it's going to be ripping test match and I'll
be well attended and hopefully, you know, we see a
tight victory one.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Way or the other congratch on this fast.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Great to see you.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Thanks Briani too.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Tuess mate.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That is Brenda McCallum who was inducted on Thursday night
as well, and then, as I mentioned to him, got
into his day job, which is coaching this England cricket team.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news Talks at B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Fine
from newstalk EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The first eleven inductees into the New Zealand Cricket Hall
of Fame were revealed at a very special function at
the Basin Reserve at the New Zealand Cricket Museum at
the Basin Reserve, and the eleven inductees were Bert Sutcliffe,
John Reed, Jackie Lord, Trish mcelvey, Glenn Turner, Sir Richard Hadley,
(00:33):
Debbie Hockley, Martin Crowe, Emily Drumm, Daniel Vittori and Brendan McCallum.
A couple of those players obviously have since passed on,
but they were all represented either themselves or by members
of their families. It was a really lovely ceremony inducting
the first eleven into the Hall of Fame. Annually more
(00:53):
players will be added, and I guess there'll be debate
over the next inductees or whether there should have been
some players inducted this time around in the first eleven
who weren't. But those are the eleven. Hockley, as I mentioned,
was one of them. Nineteen test matches she scored thirteen
hundred runs at an average of fifty four centuries, seven
(01:13):
half centuries a top score of one hundred and twenty
six not out against Australia. Was the New Zealand women's
team captain in six Tests and twenty seven One Day
Internationals and all she played one hundred and eighteen One
Day international scoring over four thousand runs at an average
of forty two. She was the first woman to eclipse
four thousand ODI runs and also the first to play
(01:37):
in one hundred One Day Internationals. One of our great
players and one of the inductees into the New Zealand
Cricket Hall of Fame. I spoke to DeBie Hockley briefly
after the ceremony and asked how special it was for her. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Actually, Jason, it's pretty amazing really. I mean, as I've
mentioned earlier, you know, I've had I've had amazing things
happened to me, probably since I finished my playing career.
Some of them sort of individual things, like say when
I was in dated into the IC Scenes Hall of
Fame and when I became New Zealand prison. But to
be part of this, you know, inaugural first eleven, when
(02:11):
I look at the names of the people. I'm standing
here with you and we're looking at the photos on
the walls around here, and I'm just thinking, God, I'm
in the same in the same room as like John Reid,
Bert Zackliffe.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Richard Reser.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Richard doesn't matter because I know him so well anyway,
but even you know, the likes of Jackie Laud, who
I think is you know, I'm so thrilled that she
has been because whose stacks are phenomenal, Christopher Colby and
two of my heroes Betting Emily Drummond, Martin crow Bless
(02:44):
Martin Prowe, but his sister Debs here and it's it's
really hard to explain next year, it's it's a it's
a very very special thing, the likes of probably which
I haven't experienced before.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, that's so well articulated. What about being here at
the base In Reserve. I mean, there are a lot
of wonderful cricket grounds upon which you have done a
lot of wonderful things. How do you reflect on your
time playing cricket at the Basin Reserve.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, probably my best effort at the Basin Reserve, I
think was making really good tasted sandwiches because I don't
know that I ever had really really good scores here,
but the tasted sandwich maker was excellent. It probably wasn't
a particularly happy hunting ground for us here at the basin.
But I was looking at the photo they've got media
(03:30):
in the Hall of Fame here and it's actually Hair
at the Basin Reserve holding the World Cup, yes in
two thousand, which I had tried five times to win.
Finally got my hands on the blooming thing and so
that fader was taken in the basin. So that's probably
my most special memory of the Basin.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And the other great thing about this is that you're
the initial inductees, but annually you're going to be joined
by many, many more of your countrymen and women who
have excelled in cricket as well. But as a foundation member,
I guess you'll always be in the first eleven, even
though you'll probably harm that sort of thing off debbit.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
That's true, That's quite true. I mean, you can you know,
it's you can only ever have the very first thing
of something once, if that makes sense to you. And
I think I feel I just feel like I don't know,
it's all the cliches, like you feel honored and very
privileged to be part of it. But also when I
(04:25):
thought late during this week, when I thought about it,
in some ways it allows you to think, well, you've
actually done something quite cool over your years. You know,
it's not you've not been too shabby as a player,
and that's actually very nice to reflect Ozwale and to
be acknowledged that's the other thing, just to be acknowledged
by someone else, you know, to be part of this
(04:46):
first of evenings, it's very cool.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That's Debbie Hockley who was one of the initial inductees,
as was Emily Drumm, who became the first New Zealand
cricketer to captain a World Cup winning side after New
Zealand's a memorable four run win against Australia at the
Bertzick Clove Oval. In the year two thousands, she played
in five Tests and in the last two produced scores
of one hundred and sixty one not out and sixty
(05:09):
two not out against Australia at christ Church and sixty
two and one hundred and twelve not out against England
at Guildford. Her unbeaten one hundred and sixty one against
Australia was a New Zealand women's Test record at the time.
She also played one hundred One Day internationals for her country,
reaching fifty on twenty one occasions and twice going on
(05:29):
to make a century. So Emily Drum was another in
duc Dee into the Hall of Fame. I spoke to
her about how special it was for her to be
recognized this way.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, it's incredibly special. You've played a life of cracket.
You played for a long time in terms of your career,
but well, you think it's over, you can put your
feet out, and then suddenly this comes around. You're like, Okay,
this is just something new and special and you feel
like a part of a family and it's it's a
(06:00):
Newsiland cricket family and having privileged to be involved in
many things post cricket, but this is really special. I'm
incredibly proud to my family are as too.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
When the citations are read out, and just the achievements
of all of you, but yours in particular, it seems
like you got runs every time you're bad it. How
do you reflect on your international cricket career.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I was just talking about that recently with someone and
sometimes I don't think I appreciated what I did do
in my time in the Black Jersey US goes and
fifteen years, the game's become a little fuzzy and you
don't remember some of the maybe the mediocre games, but
you certainly remember the highlights. And yeah, there's some big
(06:43):
Test innings in there. And I certainly had a ball
with the red ball, you could say, and white ball
was probably our bread and butter, and we didn't play
as many Test match as I'm proud of everything I
did for my country, and to be in this group
is incredible. We've got the greats of the game that
played for New Zealand, both men and women, and you
(07:04):
kind of have to think how I managed to make
the eleven so a special honor and something that I
will remember and my family will remember and enjoy for
what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, you're well and truly worth your place. Can I
ask you about the World Cup one? How often do
you think about that?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Well, I'd prepare to think about my recent one, to
be fair, because that's incredible. I still have to punch
myself to remind myself that that actually happened only a
few months ago, if that, But well, we think about
it a lot, and I was just talking to one
of the girls and just the moments that you remember
(07:43):
are not necessarily the trophies, but it's the times after
you win the trophies, because that's what it's all about,
and you look at each other and their eye you
say we did it, We finally did it. And to
climb that everest, to get to the top and say
that you've won that the biggest trophy of ball at
that time. It doesn't get much better than that. But
(08:04):
it's just one of the peaks I had of my career.
But I'm just so delighted for the recent crop to
get that enjoyment. And you'll never ever surpass it. That
first time will always be the best time, and I
would love if they could do it again. But man,
that's just been the greatest thing in recent times for
the woman's game.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's Emily dram another inductee and finally from the ceremony
on Thursday night, Brendon McCallum, captain who led New Zealand
out of the doldrooms to establish itself by the time
he retired as one of the best teams in the world.
Along the way, he started in various roles, scoring New
Zealand's first triple century and Test matches of course at
one point, and the fastest century and Test history of
(08:43):
fifty four balls at another. Under his leadership, New Zealand
reached the World Cup Final for the first time in
twenty fifteen and went thirteen consecutive home Test matches without
a defeat. Brendan McCullum was the first cricketer to play
in one hundred consecutive Tests from his debut. He was
there Thursday night as well. Of course he's here as
coach of the England cricket team. I congratulated him and
(09:04):
asked him what it meant to be recognized this way?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Thank you Bane. Yeah, it's obviously it's amazing that it's
very humbling and you look around the fellow inductees into
the first step of all the fame and you sit
back and you go, criky, I'm not sure I should
be here, but you know that's I guess there was
room for one slogger in this. It was nice to
be able to nice to be able to get the
selection of us. Honestly, it's incredibly humbling. You know, I
(09:29):
grew up wanting to play cricket for my country and
I would have played one Test to play it as
long as I didn't to have any impact to whatsoever.
It was pretty amazing and I feel incredibly grateful for it.
But to be honest in the way that we have
been tonight is really humbling and a great feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You've had a lot of cricket balls and a lot
of cricket grounds around the world, but it's the basin
a little bit special for you because I thot' three.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
O two Yeah, definitely, I think, you know, I think
what it meant for the country and those that support
New Zealand cricket, and the obviously the journey that we've
been on with Martin Crows, the late great Martin Crows
two nine to nine, and then for someone to have
got over hurdle and then to see how much it
meant to the packed house that day as well. It
(10:12):
is a significant sort of place for me and I've
had some really special memories here and not always your
own memories, you know. I remember times with bold teams
out and have famous test wins here that you've been
a part of, and other guys being successful, and it's
just a great ground to play. It's so unique in
its own way and sort to see the home of
the New Zealand Cricket Museum and as it really is,
(10:33):
the HQ of New Zealand cricket, and.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You refocus quickly now after tonight back into your day
job of coaching the England side. You're looking forward to
the next five days.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, well that's just like irony thing as a sort
of Obviously tomorrow we go to battle and I'm trying
to find ways for our England boys to so hopefully
take it to new lead in the series. But you know,
I really looked forward to I thought the first Test
match was it was a lot closer than what the
March and looked on paper. I think if these elm
were out to hold their catches and it would have
(11:03):
been a little bit different and they would have put
us under a lot of pressure. So we know that
we're realistic with the standards that we need to meet
and make sure that we go there and still play
the style that gives us our best chance. And I
think it's going to be ripping test match and I'll
be well attended and hopefully, you know, we see a
tight victory one.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Way or the other congratch on this fast.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Great to see you.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Thanks Briani too.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Tuess mate.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That is Brenda McCallum who was inducted on Thursday night
as well, and then, as I mentioned to him, got
into his day job, which is coaching this England cricket team.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news Talks at B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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