Full Show Podcast: 09 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Good afternoon, Welcome in to the Sunday edition of Weekend
Sport on News Talks EDB, March nine. I'm Jason Pine.
Show producer is Any McDonald. We are here talking sport
with you until three o'clock this afternoon. Question Could the
thirty eighth America's Cup be sailed on Waitemata Harbor? Those

(00:51):
conversations have started between some of the key parties. If
it is to return, though, it'll need significant investment from
local and central government. Minister for Sport and Recreation Mark
Mitchell is on the show with us. I'm very very
keen after that to read your pulse on this, to
gauge your interest in your money, taxpayer and ratepayer going

(01:16):
towards getting the America's Cup back to New Zealand. We'll
talk that this hour. Other matters around today, quite a few,
Another drama packed weekend of Super Rugby, the Fiji and
Drewer beating the Chiefs in Lautoka, the previously unbeaten Chiefs,
Mina Pacifica beating the Hurricanes at Albany last night, their

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first win of the season, their first winover in New
Zealand side in the last twenty Mina Pacifica first five.
Patrick Palergreni superb last night, he's along for a chat
with us after one o'clock and Australian sides currently occupy
four of the top six places on the table. Are
we seeing a resurgence of Australian sides and Super Rugby

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in twenty twenty five or will this even itself out?
It is such a tight tape, so much so that
if the Crusaders were to beat the Reds this afternoon
and get a bonus points and win by a significant margin,
they would jump from eleventh to third, eleventh to third
in the space of eighty minutes. So Super rug be

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to chat about this afternoon. To the black Caps chase
silverware tonight and the ICC Champions Trophy final against India
in Zubai. Coach Gary Stead with us ahead of that.
Speaking of cricket, Central Stags batted Tom Bruce also along
to reflect on his Plunket shield triple century. This week
three hundred and forty five, Tom Bruce scored for CD

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against Auckland at Eden Parks out of oval Haw. Does
irreflect on that Blair chocks along from the Black Foils
as they look forward to sl GP in Los Angeles
next weekend. James mcconey in his regular slot on a
Sunday afternoon as well, but a live sport while we're
on the air this afternoon. The White Fans up against
Sri Lanka. This is a third and final ODI in
their series at a sun drenched Saxton Oval in Nelson.

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New Zealand lead the series one now. The first game
was washed out. Susi Baits won the toss a bit
earlier on today and decided to bat. Good decision. She's
out there with Georgia Plummer. They're eighty six without loss,
eighty seven without loss now after eighteen overs, so a
very solid start for Susie Baits and for New Zealand.
Will keep eyes on that for you. Super rugby Opicky

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Matatu against the Hurricanes Poer in christ Church from twelve
thirty five this afternoon. We'll keep tabs on that for
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Speaker 3 (04:07):
Could the next America's Cut be held back in Auckland's.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Wednesday, seventeen March twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's history.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm the waters of the whole wrecky golf set against
the arconic landmark of Rung the Totu island mark in
Team New Zealand, the most successful team in the one
hundred and seventy year history of the America's Cup, successfully
defense international spots holders praise again. The America's Cup remains

(04:37):
New Zealand's Cup here.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
That was twenty twenty one, of course, before Team New
Zealand defended in Barcelona last year. Now Nick Hill, the
CEO of Tatucki Auckland Unlimited, that's Auckland City Council's Events arm,
confirmed this week it had entered talks with holders Team
New Zealand to bring the Cup back to Auckland for
the twenty twenty seven defense. Now reports have that investment

(04:59):
required as one hundred and fifty million, which would come
from a combination of private investors, Auckland City rate payers
and central government. That is considerably less than the figure
of two hundred million, which is often used as a
guide to what is necessary to stage the event and
fund the campaign. And economic impact report incidentally has revealed

(05:22):
Barcelona benefited to the tune of one point eight billion
New Zealand dollars from hosting the event last year. Minister
for Sport and Recreation, the Honorable Mark Mitchell, is with us.
Thanks for joining us on your Sunday afternoon. Mark, How
interested are you in helping to bring the America's Cup
back to New Zealand in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
I'm a huge fan of the America's Cup. I mean,
you know, we're a coastal nation and a lot of
us have grown up or been involved in, or followed
or enjoyed the ocean and all the water sports that
we have, and of course sailing is a big part
of that. And I know that we're incredibly proud as
a nation in terms of the great success that our
America's Cup teams have had.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Have you had any contact or conversations with Grant Dalton
so far?

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
I spoke with him the other day and you know,
he just outlined to me that, you know, he is
very genuinely looking at trying to host the event or
have the event here. Ultimately that is a decision for
Emirates Team New Zealand, and I sort of indicated to
him that, of course we've got the information now that's
flying through that the Major Events team are looking at

(06:35):
in terms of stacking up, you know, whether or not
to make an investment from government.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
What does he need from you?

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Well, I don't want to.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Get into the numbers because that's for them, So I'm
not going to talk about the numbers. You've sort of
put one hundred and fifty million out there, which is
the number that he was sort of talking to me
about too. But I'm not going to break the numbers
down in terms of whether different investment is going to
come from. I guess all I'm saying is that from
the government side of it is that yes, we want
to host major events. Yes we'd love to host of course,

(07:07):
would love to have the America's back home in New Zealand.
But of course, you know, we're in a situation where
every dollar counts and we have to make sure that
we're using that responsibly and that we're maximizing the value
of that For keywers.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
How do you do that, mark, how do you calculate
the return on taxpayer investment for this offer any other
sporting event you'll put your money towards.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
Well, And that's a big part of the work that's
going on at the moment is.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
To actually try and identify that and see exactly, you know,
how much value there is in it for us as
a country. So and we'll get some advice back on
that shortly.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
The economic impact report, as I mentioned before, revel Barcelona
has benefited to the tune of one point eight billion
New Zealand dollars from hosting. But there are many variables
to the way any economic impact studies compile. They often
have to be taken with a bit of a grain
of salt. How do you work out what's real and
what's not?

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well, I mean that's for the experts to do and
they're working on that and now and then they will
come back in that advice myself, the Minister of Finance,
and am I associate Chris Bishop.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
On that as you look to get to ASM numbers,
back to pre COVID numbers, isn't this exactly the type
of event that you should be investing in?

Speaker 7 (08:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Well, I mean, you know, fundamentally, we'd love to be
if we had an endless if we had a money pit,
you know, it'd be fantastic. We want to try and
get as many major events as we can into the country. Absolutely,
it comes down to again making responsible decisions around where
we're investing our money as a country.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Who do you have to convince, Well, it's a lot
a matter of.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
Me having to convinced anyone.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's a matter of us being convinced as a government,
as a cabinet that this is the best use of
Zealander's money.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Do you take into account the intangible benefits to New
Zealanders from events like this as well? When you are
going through your decision making.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, I think that's important. I do think that's important
to try and capture that somehow in the advice that's
coming forward. But like I said, that work has been
done at the moment. The advice will come forward and
then we'll have a chance as ministers and as a
chemet to make a decision.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Now alklan Mea. Wayne Brown has said he wants a
bed tax a bad night visitor levy two and a
half to three percent to help pay for his shear
That needs parliamentary approval. Would you be keen to see
that legislation past.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, he spoke to me about that also. And look,
Louise Upson is fully engaged on this. It's in her portfolio,
which is obviously tourism. You know, from a government perspective,
we are trying to drive our tourism numbers back up
again as a country. It's a big part of what
we do and a massive contributor to our GDP overall
the employment, jobs and showcasing what an incredible country we are.

(09:51):
And she's doing. But she's the one responsible doing the
work around making decisions that will attract more tourists to
New Zealand and so she's engaging on the bad tax.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
So there's a few moving parts here. The clock is
ticking though there are other places we're keen to host. Valencia,
it'tillly Greece have been mentioned. Team New Zealand have committed
to announcing the twenty twenty seven venue by June the twentieth.
It's the ninth of March. Now do you need to
move quickly on this?

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Well, I think they are moving quickly. In fact, I
know that they are. You know, we want to host
major events in New Zealand. We just have to make
sure that we've been responsible in the way that we're
using Texpars money.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
All right, So you're keen to do it if the
numbers stack up.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Yeah, I'm very keen to do it.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
I think that like I said to you, and I
know that you know that my colleagues in government are
as well. We want to have major events here. It's
a big us down at the New Zealand Open down
at Millbrook last weekend. It's a fantastic event. We want
to be hosting these events in New Zealand. But like
I said to you, what all roads lead back to

(10:58):
the fact that we inherited a pretty bad situation for
us as a country. Fiscally, we were heading towards being broke,
and we've got to get ourselves back on a positive track,
and that means been really careful and being responsible for
money that we're spending.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
What your gut telling you, do you think we can
we can start preparing for its return in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
I don't want to get ahead of the advice that's
coming towards to us. So no, I think. I think
as a country we've been through a really tough time.
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
We've had.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
We had inflation at high rates for far too long.
Interest rates have just killed people. They're living from week
to week. It has been very, very tough. But I
honestly feel that, you know, the back half of this year,
there's some green shoots starting to show. Inflation now is down,
interest rates are starting to come down, people are starting
to refix. I believe there'll be some new energy and
optimism in our country and things will be looking different

(11:54):
towards the back end of the year.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
All right, Well, I hope so too. And look, I
don't think you'll get an argument from too many people
involved in in you know, the watching a big events.
Were you at Settle GP in January to get the
to get down there?

Speaker 8 (12:07):
No?

Speaker 5 (12:08):
And I was really annoyed that I didn't because I
was really happy to see the event here in being
rased in Auckland, Russell Coots is actually up in my
lecture of quite a bit to.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Do with him.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
He's invested heavily into our local Manly sailing club there
and with local events. And I would have loved to
have been there, but I was down. I was having
to do another event, I think in with my police portfolio.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Fair enough. Hey, Mark, appreciate your time on a Sunday,
Thanks for joining us on ZB.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
Thanks for having me on mate. Have a good one.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, have a good one too, Marke Mitchell. They're the
honorable Mark Mitchell, one of his portfolios Minister for Sport
and Recreation. Your chance to react to what you heard there,
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and your own
feel on this the America's Cup to Auckland in twenty
twenty seven. Yay or nay, no brainer for me if
you can bring it back, bring it back. Anyone who

(12:57):
was at sale GP in Auckland, in January that was
a weekend. Can attest to what a great weekend, A
great event that was the twenty twenty one America's Cup
deep affected of course by COVID, So you can't accurately
measure economic impact when no one could get in. But
what better way to get the tourism dollars flowing again
than events like this. Grant Dalton seems very keen to

(13:19):
make this happen. Two hundred million is the figure that
is often bandied around. He's talking one hundred and fifty million.
Those are mates rates one fifty million, so half from
private investment. Mark Mitchell wouldn't talk about the numbers, but
I think it's it's been reported and these these feel
right to me. Half of it from private investment, and

(13:39):
Grant Dalton knows people with deep pockets who can come
up with seventy five So then it's seventy five million
between local and central government. So let's just say, for
argument's sake, half each thirty seven and a half million each.
Now the bed tax. Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown is advocating
for the advocating four seems like a no brainer to
me as well. It's common practice overseas. As cities look

(14:02):
for different ways to fund their big events, the opposition
will come from the accommodation sector. Of course, they'll say
any extra cost might put a potential visitor off. But
we're talking two and a half to three percent. If
someone's paying three hundred dollars per night for a room,
are they really going to walk it paying three hundred
and nine dollars a night? No, so bad? Tax tick

(14:24):
that make that happen. Auckland pays thirty seven and a
half million central government tips in the other thirty seven
and a half what's that seven dollars for each of
us cup of coffee. I know that's a very simplistic
way of looking at it, but big cities need big

(14:44):
events for a number of reasons, economic and otherwise. If
you can get it back here, get it back here,
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I know that
mine isn't the only view here, and all views are
welcome on the show. Let's get to the lines. Hey, Jesse,

(15:10):
I'm sorry, Jesse, I can't really hear you. Are you
on a speaker phone? Can you take yourself off?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Speak of one?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, Jesse, Sorry mate, we just can't. We can't hear you. Unfortunately,
I'm going to put you back on whole Seve. Andy
can find a way to let us hear what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (15:30):
Grant, Hi, Yes, yes, yes, can I be more specific?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Point no, No, the the affirmation three times over is enough, Grant,
But carry on.

Speaker 9 (15:42):
I mean, you know you're going to have some people saying, oh,
you know, we've got problems with the health system, problems
with us. But the thing is with the we're not
you know, the government's not going to have to put
a you know, two hundred and three hundred five hundred
million or something like that, and with the extra GST
that they're going to get. I mean, I don't know

(16:03):
what figure is, but I measured times over.

Speaker 8 (16:08):
Profit if we want to call it.

Speaker 10 (16:10):
That.

Speaker 9 (16:10):
To the New Zealand economy, the souper yacht owners, the
big spenders who missed out last time because of COVID,
I mean, they'll be lining up to come here. They
love it here and apparently an awklan so fails. I
can see it's win win whin Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I can't see a downside apart from Grant and you
and I both realistic enough to know as is everybody
listening here that every dollar that goes towards something like
this is a dollar that doesn't get spent on things
like education, health and other responsibilities that central government have.
Of course we all know that, but that's true when
you spend money on health as well. That's a dollar
you can't spend on education or events and such like.

(16:52):
So it's just putting the case together, as Mark Mitchell said,
for let's call it the thirty seven and a half
and he let's say forty let's round it up to forty.
Let's say forty million. Can they get forty million across
the line to host this when there are any number
of other places that money could go. That's really the
guts of the conversation.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
Right, And they're certainly going to make much much more
than forty million with the gst that they wouldn't make
off the big spenders soupts, apartment as well as the
ordinary citizen who spends a bit. But the real big spenders,
the super yachts and their owners and their crew and

(17:29):
everyone else, much much more than they spend. So in
that respect, it's really not a case of while they're
taking money away from health, because with the extra GST.
They'll have more money to put into health.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Thank you, Grant. We'll put you down as a Yes,
I'll put a tick beside your name. Jesse. We've got
your back and we've got you on a better line. Now.

Speaker 11 (17:52):
Yeah, your guys on the radio, I'm saying about to
New Zealand. Well, if they won't help find to zand
me and my wife, we'll strap up and we'll pay
for the whole in his Ziland, for the whole waste
of hair and New Zealand ourselves.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Right, So you're going to tip one hundred and fifty million,
are you, Jesse?

Speaker 11 (18:13):
Yeah? Straight up?

Speaker 12 (18:14):
Because I mean, I mean, I've watched tenior Zilla and
how have I've done everything on a memory of my mo.
Mama passed away in two thousand and eighteen and my.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Mom got the chance to meet Grant Dolton. They become
really good friends.

Speaker 12 (18:29):
So grand Dolden's listening.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
Here's my phone number, call me.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
To one am I Jesse. We won't put your number
out there, mate, because you get all sorts of people
calling you for your money, and he's going to take
your number. We'll pass it on to Grant Dalton. If
you're serious about this. I'm sure he would love to
have a conversation with you about private investment because, as
we say, seventy five million probably private investment, seventy five
million taxpayer, rate payer jesse Man, I'm sure Grant would

(18:58):
love to have a conversation with you. Twelve twenty five
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty you got one
hundred and fifty million to tip in Peter.

Speaker 13 (19:06):
No, Well, he's answering our question.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
He's got we've got the money, that's doing if he's.

Speaker 13 (19:15):
A little legit, get his phone number and put the
money in the account. Now that it's all, lot's all on.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
What's your view on it?

Speaker 13 (19:23):
Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I say, like
you say that, you break it down the cup of
copy or whatever. It's a no brain and like you know,
we're going to promote this country because it's at present
time he's struggling if New Zealand so but any we
should have had it in the food. It shouldn't ever
left the country anyway, as we hold we we've we've
got the copy. I didn't like the way got out
of the country and it's going to back here. It's

(19:43):
that simple. It's a you know, people like I'm for
the bid text as well. The end of the day,
our dollar is not that strong. I've had people coming
from the Netherlands and that, and our characters say they
come here and it's do it cheap for then, so
that I think they're more than willing to pay a
little bit bid text not a problem at all.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, it's common overseas, Peter, when when we travel to
overseas countries, a lot of people have encountered this there.
Out of the room rate is a bed tax that
goes to local government to help them pitch for for
events to attract visitors. It's circular. I know the opposition
will be from accommodation providers. Anything that that bumps up

(20:23):
their room rate which doesn't actually help their bottom line
is something they'll obviously have a bit of a problem with.
But two and a half three percent is that really
going to affect visiting numbers to Auckland twelve twenty seven
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Speaker 3 (20:53):
Be Bang on twelve thirty talking America's Cup and getting
it back to New Zealand. In twenty twenty seven on text,
jas nips we love the America's Cup in following it
since traveling to Perth in nineteen eighty seven, we must
get it back to Auckland. Whatever it takes, turns a
mass up. The main issue is just how let's get
back to the lines.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
Hey Mike, Hey, fine, you know worried about hurricanes.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
We can talk about that next hour. Surely that can wait.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
Yeah. I'm no fan of Grand Dalton obviously, but you know,
I think it's about time we got it back here.
As far as the sporting event goes, it's really good.
I went out for the for the last one when
it was here and it's a great day out. It
doesn't actually cost a lot of money. If you don't
get in the boat, you can watch it from sure
you can watch it when the boats come back in. Yeah.
I mean, as a sports fan, I think it's great

(21:42):
to have a big sporting event like that. It doesn't
just go for like one night or something. You know,
it's a week, it's months. Therefore, you know, spending money
and bringing people into the city. I think it's a
no brainer. And I actually think we've got the meyor
the right mire and the right government. I think Brad
Dalton's obviously in the right heat space to bring it

(22:03):
back here. And I just think, you know, we spend
hundreds of millions of dollars on Hollywood movies. We never
get to see the profits of so in the economic
arguments are bit eerie fiery. But you know, as far
as the sporting events goes, we don't really get to
host world class events very often, do we.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
No, we don't. Well there, I mean, what is there
annually that we host? You know, even sale GP they're
looking at making that annual and that will be one.
I know that Sir Russell Kirtz has got a five
year plan ordeal certainly in front of Auckland, and I
hope they take it. But yeah, and you're right, and
it's not really Yes, we can all watch it. We can,
we can for free. Yeah, turn up on the shore

(22:43):
and watch it. But it's it's the benefit of all
of those visitors coming in. Barcelona had huge visitor numbers,
and visitor numbers not just people like you and I
Mark who turn up to watch, but those who come
in on their super yachts and watch and pump tens
of thousands of dollars into the local economy while they're there.

(23:03):
You get enough of those and straight away, you know,
you get your return on investment.

Speaker 14 (23:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (23:09):
I think the only thing we've got to do this time,
Piney that they didn't do last time. It's bacon. If
we were it gets to say.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
So there have to be a guarantee. Yeah, if they
won it here, if they went it here, then then
it stays here. Yeah. You know, look, the Barcelona thing
obviously left a bit of a bad taste in people's mouths.
But you've got to give it to Grant Dalton. You know,
he's he hasn't said, Okay, well you know we've we've
defended it off shore, so that's now what we're looking at. Yes,
there are other suitors. I note, interestingly enough, that Barcelona

(23:40):
haven't put their hand up again. They're one and done.
But yeah, but you know, Grant Dalton even I don't
think he's I didn't think he's waving a carrot in
front of us that isn't edible. I think he actually
wants to bring it back.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
I think he does too, and I think he probably
feels a little bit bad that he took it away,
because he's got one hell of a lot of bad
pr about it. But you know, Barcelona's saying they made
two billion dollars out of it, it seems a bit extreme.
I mean, I watching it on TV. That didn't even
look like they were that many people there. They'd be honest.
And I think the event in Auckland, I think, you know,
they as I said, the money is an eerie theory,

(24:17):
but man, it's a pretty good Eventicey go. It creates
a whole vibe in the city. And you know, I
just hope, I just personally, I hope it ends up
being an Auckland I think it'll be great.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I hope so too much. Don't worry about the Canes, Mate,
we'll come right, he said, hopefully we'll talk superb next hour.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
I mean, and you know, those those economic impact reports
are always a little bit like I say, you got
to take them with a grain of salt, because often
they're put together by consultants or by bodies who are
told what should be in there, you know, because every
economic impact report you wanted to be a favorable one,
don't you. But the fact remains that that it's a

(24:58):
smaller number. It's look, if it's one fifty half of
one fifty seventy five across local and central month seventy
five million, you know, if we can get anywhere near
the one point eight billion that was estimated to be
pumped into the Barcelona economy last month, then, at the

(25:20):
risk of repeating myself, it is a no brainer. Marty. Hi,
you know, man, how are you very good money?

Speaker 15 (25:27):
But look, I've actually got a bit of a foot
in the tourism drive. I've got a motor home which
I read out, and then I also have a I
work for two companies, one with a where I pick
people in the forty nine cedicach and also then also
have an work for a guy who's we do specialists

(25:49):
to us. Now you hear these people and I've heard
them say, oh it amly benefits aalkman. Well, you know,
I just took a group from off the Viking ship
a couple of days ago that I looked at two
people don't have to look at the two were just
out of Medicana. Now the benefit forgetting saying when people
say it's only benefiting Auckland, all the tour companies are

(26:12):
going to benefit. For the people who are saying in
the hotels were saying about the bed Tex, well, they
are going to benefit because okay, these people will be
coming in longer term going onto my motor home, okay,
spending it for the whole summer, right and you know
the many many other moto homes out there, so it's

(26:33):
kind of extend that range the people like Hobbs and
White Tamer and there again their numbers will increase free
the America's Cup because it's such a big thing. And
they okay, the people who in that company which I
deal with, my small little company, must want my company,
a small little company. Again, we will benefit enormously because okay,
A we do partake tours. B B. That they tell

(26:55):
you that the people that won't be just coming to
sit in because Cup, they will extend their day to
say that. So the people who say that, okay, that
the investment and it is only in news in Auckland.
I'm sorry to carry it's total rubbish because as I say,
and I come back from a fact as I've got

(27:15):
a motor home, which OK, and I know a lot
of other people who've got motor homes during the summer
we rented. Now ako, We've had good years and bad years.
But again that's just going to be the icing on
the cake for people to come out. And so that's
you know, that's the way I look at it, like,
as I say, so yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Good on your money's so yeah, I totally agree. There's
no way, there's no way that people are coming. If
people come to the America's Cup which goes for a
couple of months, there's no way they're staying in Auckland
the whole time. You know, they're hopping in a motorhome
and exploring either north of Auckland or down through the
North Island. They're flying down to the South Island. They're
going to Queenstown, They're going to the West Coast, they're
going to Nelson, Marlborough, to christ Do anywhere. Really, you

(27:55):
know you've come this far then you're carrying on. Twelve
thirty seven. James Dolan is from the Hotel Council ol
deal Alla Strategic Director. Thanks for calling in.

Speaker 16 (28:08):
James, Hey, Piney, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
You've got a view on I presume your ringing about
the bid techs.

Speaker 16 (28:15):
Oh look, I'm an Auckland born and raised a huge
sports fan. Yes, I am with Hotel Council out here
are so been listening intently and I thought i'd give
you a buzz, give you a different perspective, and perhaps
give you a few more facts and stats to help
you your listeners understand some of the other parts of
the question.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, wonderful. What have you got for us?

Speaker 16 (28:37):
Well, you know one number I think is really key,
or two numbers that are really key, pretty COVID tourism
in New Zealand. CHST generated three point nine billion dollars
tourism in New Zealand. So it's a huge number, right,
what tourism generates around the New Zealand economy. But what
we spend on tourism New Zealand. That's the marketing agency

(28:59):
that does one hundred percent pure and promotes New Zealand
around the world. What we spend is one hundred and
ten million. So two two key numbers, right, now the
America's Cup is a pretty big number what's being talked
about to get the hosting rights and the final stat
To put into.

Speaker 17 (29:16):
Perspective for you, five.

Speaker 16 (29:18):
Or six years ago, Auckland used to spend thirty million
on event attraction and destination marketing and nowadays it spends
about seven million. So there's been a real loss of
investment in all sorts of events, not just the America's Cup,
but business events, cultural events, music events, and that's all

(29:38):
kind of faded away. So I got to say, I'm
not super excited about the America's Cup until we solve
the overall problem.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, and the reason that that Auckland Council is investing
less is obviously because of the economic situation that we
find ourselves in, right, James, That's correct.

Speaker 16 (30:00):
We've got the lowest rates rise in the whole country.
I mean, Mayor Brown is proud of what he's delivered
for all Akland is in good honor. I mean he's
proud that it's a what is a five point three
percent rates increase. I'm a rate payer, I'm happy about that.
But just so your listeners understand, we could properly fund
events in Auckland if the increase was six point three percent,

(30:22):
but Wayne Brown doesn't want to do that right. Other
parts of the country are putting in ten percent rates rises,
twelve percent rates rises. And when Wayne Brown is saying
there's no money, there's no way of getting the money.
But there's a pretty obvious way of getting the money
raise rates.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
There's another obvious way of getting it, and that's a
bid tex.

Speaker 16 (30:42):
Yeah, it's not a bad solution, and it's a solution.
The Hotel Council and other people in industry have been
talking about trying to talk to Auckland Council about but
Auckland Council doesn't want to listen to the bit of
the argument they don't like. So the bit they don't like.

(31:06):
All listeners have been talking about how when people come
to Auckland, they travel up and down the country. Auckland's
not the only reason people come to New Zealand. But
what Wayne Brown doesn't want to do is he doesn't
want to do at ax across the entire country, doing
it once, doing it right. He wants to race ahead
and do Auckland first. And you know, the industry has

(31:27):
been telling him all the reasons we want to do
it properly in New Zealand, because you know, tourism isn't
just about New Zealand, and isn't Auckland, and it isn't
just about the America's Cup.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So you're not against a bed tax per se. You
would just rather see it applied across the entire country
rather than just in the Auckland region. Is that what
I'm hearing?

Speaker 16 (31:49):
That's correct? You know Auckland. Auckland Council had one disastrous
attempt to create a new tourism attack and they almost
bankrupted a whole bunch of hotels and motels during COVID
because of it. And now we've got Auckland Council coming
in and saying, let us as own another tourism tax.
No thanks, Let's do this nationally in New Zealand. Let's

(32:11):
do it properly across the entire country rather than this
kind of Auckland first thing driven by legacy projects like
the America's Cup. You know, I love the America's Cup,
but you know there's plenty of other events that also
need funding, like business events, cultural events, singing, and some
of these things need a lot smaller amounts of money

(32:32):
to help drive people into our Auckland CBD and make
it active again.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Do you just want to go Do you reckon that
central government should be it should be like you've obviously
listened to Mark Mitchell. Do you feel as though they
should be contributing their share of this? Are you in
favor of central government investments in this?

Speaker 16 (32:52):
Goet one hundred percent as a starting point. You know,
let's start with the basic economic facts. Tourism delivers much
more tax payer money to central government than it takes
back in reinvestment. So tourism for your hospitals, your schools,
your welfare programs and all sorts, you know, but tourism
doesn't get the benefit for that. That's the big argument

(33:14):
from industry. Industries had in Marth of local council who's
deciding they want to take a clip the ticket and
have a local bed tax here and another charge there.
Tourism saying enough is enough. If we need to create
more revenue, if we need a bed tax, please, let's
design a modern bed tax for the entire country that

(33:34):
works well. And unfortunately that's not what Wayne Brown wants
to do. He wants an old fashioned bed tax where
every hotel has to hire an accountant and tell Auckland
Council every month what their results were, and that's that's rubbish.
It's not going to work that way.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Really appreciate your perspective, James. Thanks for calling him mate.
It's been Yeah, it's been enlightening. I'm sure foot well
for me and for our listeners too.

Speaker 16 (33:58):
Brilliant. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Bye bye, Thanks James, bubbye James Dallon there he has
was just a caller to the show, just like any
other involved as rategic director of Hotel Council alt Piadora
seventeen to one I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you want to jump aboard, just a few more
minutes of this before we get to one o'clock, we'll
flick across the super Rugby. But if you've got a view,
there is a spear line there for the first time
this hour, America's Cup to Auckland. Are you a fan?

(34:23):
Is it something that should be funded by central and
or local government? Like an earlier caller, do you have
some private money to tip in or anything else in
terms of your yanis or nayanus around getting the America's
Cup back to wat Mata Harbor back with more of
your calls after this or Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
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Speaker 3 (34:50):
NB thirteen Away from one speed line. If you want
to jump aboard our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
A ton of texts which I can get to, but
keen to hear your views, You've got a few more
minutes to jump on the phone. In basic terms, are
you in favor of a pitch to get the America's
Cup back to Auckland, back to the White to Matar Harbor?
Grant Salton seems keen on making it happen. Making it happen.

(35:13):
How would you feel about about central government money and
local government money going towards a pitch of the sort,
Because that's the way it's going to have to work.
Half of it will come from private investment, the other
half around seventy five million will have to come from
local and central government. Allen says, I'm not anti America's Cup,
but as an Auckland rate payer, I totally agree with
James to increase our rates by a mere one percent

(35:39):
to fund it. Yeah, I think that was the that's
you know, and James makes a good point. You know,
there are other ways to raise funds. If you are
a local council can you can raise the rates And
Wayne Brown, I think, to the delight of a lot
of people, hasn't done that. I'm not from Auckland, but
I can imagine that that no rates rise would be

(35:59):
a popular thing. But his bed tax hasn't landed well
with the likes of James there, who we just heard from,
in terms of just being an Auckland thing. Look, I
think it feels to me like a bed tax is
a good idea. And I guess when I said before
that it was a no brainer for Auckland by extension,

(36:21):
I think it's a no brainer for our country. If
we're looking for ways to help fund our pitchres for
big events, then it seems like a fairly sensible economic plan.
If you're putting two and a half three percent on
top of the room rate and that money goes into

(36:43):
a fund at local council level to help, you know,
pitch for big events, I think that's a good thing.
James said, you have to hire an accountant. I'm not
sure that's true. Pretty sure you just take two and
a half three percent off the top. You just pass
it on, don't you. If you're charging three hundred a room,
you charge three h nine a room, and you pass
the nine dollars on. Seems to make you an makes

(37:06):
sense to me, Arthur High, Yes.

Speaker 18 (37:09):
Good morning. If Donald Trump and Millennia Trump can create
a crypto token and sell them, then my suggestion is
that we we fire our up a token for the
America's Cup.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
I've got no idea what you're talking about, Arthur.

Speaker 18 (37:28):
Crypto, crypto, cryptocurrency, cryptocurrency, cryptotokens, you can fire up a
token that's all ready to do it.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 18 (37:39):
It was just an idea.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
It sounds like we're just magicing money out of thin air. Look,
I don't know whether Look I think it would be.
Maybe it's an oppiction. I don't know. It feels to
me as though we should be looking a bit closer
to home and starting up our own cryptocurrency. Author But
I appreciate your enthusiasm of it. John says on text,
No more funding the America's Cup. We shall put our

(38:03):
money towards grassroots sport in New Zealand. Thank you John. Afternoon.
Jason just had a quick look in my wallet. I've
got thirty seven dollars and fifty five cents that'd be
happy to tip in the America's Cup. But seriously, we
undervalue our tourism. Just look how cheap we sell our
great walks for says Brian. Look people coming and if

(38:25):
we go back to the bed tax and I want
to lay to that point, but people aren't going to
ball cat it. It's not something that is uncommon around
the world. Anyone who's traveled internationally knows that this is
a common practice, and not just on on a bed
levy or a night levy, whatever you want to call it.

(38:45):
But yeah, paying for attractions, paying to do things that
attract tourists to that country, It's not unusual, Joanne, says Jason,
America's Cup should be in New Zealand. The obvious benefits
to the economy aside, it is a fantastic New Zealand
branding opportunity. New Zealand wins rugby, rowing and sailing. Surely

(39:09):
we should invest in this in the same way we
promote New Zealand beef and lamb. New Zealand's reputation would
be enhanced for sure by hosting the America's Cup. Ian
says the local boat builders alone would probably pay that
seventy odd million back in tax. Another one here. New
Zealand is in a massive economic slump. We need to
get our mojo back in a massive event like the

(39:30):
America's Cup is a no brainer, Michael says Jason, good afternoon.
For a man who has a transatlantic crossing, sailed the
Mediterranean and the Caribbean, I don't actually care about the
America's Cup. It's too boring. First across the start line
usually wins. That's the way it works, Michael. And racing.

(39:52):
Go back to the traditional racing and you might change
my mind. Sale GP is far superior. Thank you, Michael,
I appreciate it. In the cricket in Nelson, New Zealand
one hundred and twenty eight for two batting first against
Ri Lanka. This is the third and final women's international.
First game was reigned out in Napier. New Zealand won
the second one on Friday in Nelson, one twenty eight

(40:14):
for two batting first In the third and final one
Day International. That is in the thirty first over Georgia
Plumber sixty five not out, Susie Bates out for fifty three.
Brook Halladay is out there with Georgia Plumber at the moment,
So in the thirty first over New Zealand one twenty
eight for two. Just on seven and a half away
from one News Talk.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
SEB analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting
world weekends for it with Jason Pie They call oh,
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Speaker 3 (40:41):
News Talk z NB and coming up four to one.
Thanks for all your cause and correspondence about the America's Cup.
More to come on this. There is a bit of
time pressure here Team New Zealand Grant Dalton has said
that they will announce the next venue by June twenty
so that's what three months away, So there is a
little bit of time of the essence pressure here and

(41:04):
quite a few moving parts to to work our way through.
I'd like to see it back, but there's a bit
of water to flow under the bridge across White to
Mata Harbor perhaps before it can happen. After one o'clock
Super rugk be just updating our Super Rugby opick you
Mutta to lead the Hurricanes bo tennil after nineteen minutes

(41:24):
in christ Church. That's the early game in christ Church.
But later on this afternoon the crusaded up against the Reds.
But what did you make of the Super rugby action yesterday?
And hear me out here? Should we have a super
round in Fiji?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues
on and after fields. It's all on Wi Jam Sport
with Jason Taine on your home of sport us talk.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Well, I don't Sevan welcome this weekend sport till three.
I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald's a long site as show producer.
In general, dog's body, that's a terrible thing to say.
As I was starting that sentence, I thought, how am
I going to get out of the sentence generally executive producer?
That's better, isn't it? Or do you prefer dog's body?

(42:14):
I know some people say I'm in charge of the show, poney,
so I might turn your mic off after that comment.
Who are these people who say that? Are they management?
Are they in management? My friends? Yere management? Let's just
say they're in management. Allegiacly, let's say it. It's great
to have you along. It's great to have you along too.
Listening in rugby, this out quite a bit of super rak.
We want to talk about what happened yesterday, Mars say

(42:36):
is on text Pony, what's happening in Wellington? Your Phoenix
and Hurricanes are bloody awful. Thank you mus for pointing
that out. Yeah, the Phoenix were very very average last
night and therefore one lost to Western United. The Hurricanes
going down to more Onner Pacifica. I would prefer us
to praise more Onner Pacifica for a great performance, and

(42:58):
in fact we're going to get inside their camp in
just a moment. I am taking heart from the fact
that Georgia Plummer another welling TONI and is currently batting
very well for the White Ferns and Nelson, So I'll
take that. The Hurricanes, poet. The women's side are losing
currently twenty four nil to Mutatio, so that just adds

(43:21):
to the salt you're rubbing into my wound. Thirty one
minutes gone there in christ dude, you can hear commentary
that game. Incidentally, if you're a fan of super rugby,
O Picky on gold Sport and iHeartRadio Mutta to twenty
four hurricanes poem noell after thirty one minutes and just
on the cricket, I'll just I should probably update you
on what the actual scor is rather than just sort

(43:42):
of talk about how well Georgia blimmers going one hundred
and forty six for two New Zealand one forty six
for two having decided to bat upon the winning of
the toss one forty eight for two. Bitters Now and
we are through. How many overs? Are we through? Thirty four?

(44:03):
Thirty four overs? Georgia plumber seventy one not out Brook
heller Day on seventeen. Well, let's talk super rugby. What
a Saturday it was?

Speaker 19 (44:13):
First this, that is the Fiji and Drawer who knock
off the unbeaten Chiefs twenty eight, twenty four in lovetalka.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
What a performance?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
And then this or have attacks contacts. Mowanna've got the ball, Mowanna,
I gotta chog it over the touchline.

Speaker 19 (44:30):
While I call this competition super rugby Pacific. The power
of the Pacific has been felt today. First the drawer.
Now Maawana pacifica knockover Kiwi teams in succession. Mawana Pacificer
forty the Hurricane's thirty one.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Great calls from Nathan and Elliott on those games. So
Nathan m Elliot Smith part of our commentary team on
Gold Sport and iHeartRadio ONEA Pacifica snapping a twenty match
Super Rugby losing streak against New Zealand sides beating the
Hurricanes thirty one in Albany last night. First five. Patrick

(45:10):
Palegrini had an absolutely superb game in the number ten
jersey for More One. He joins us. Now, I'm sure
you slept pretty well after that, Patrick, thanks for joining
us this afternoon. How significant a result is this for
you and your More one apecificate teammates.

Speaker 7 (45:27):
Yeah, big a.

Speaker 20 (45:28):
Tholt, definitely, especially going into the buy, you know, getting
a win under the belt, big, big, big win back
at home. So yeah, good, good to get the good
to get that under the belt going into the bye week.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Did it feel like this win was coming after your
performances in the first three games?

Speaker 20 (45:47):
Yeah, definitely, No, two of those games we could have
won easily, just got away from us in the end,
So definitely felt like it was coming.

Speaker 7 (45:57):
And yeah, so it's good. Good to get that one
for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
You came off the bench last weekend against the Highlanders
and nearly drove your side the victory there, handed the
starting first five role for the first time last night.
What was your approach to the game in general terms
and the starting teen jumper?

Speaker 20 (46:17):
Yeah, well, just to me, nothing really changes, to be honest,
just prepw how I normally would prep. Obviously getting the
start it was big, but yeah, just kind of just
go about my week as I normally would any any
other game weeks.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
I just want to ask you about a couple of
features of your game. You're kicking and play terrific last night,
big chunks of territory carved off of fifty twenty two
at one stage and on attack, you know, sit out
up a triffic Karen Tomoy for lal. How big a
part of your game and how hard do you work
on your kicking in play?

Speaker 20 (46:51):
Yeah, definitely, Like I definitely working out a lot. You know,
I pride myself for a lot of my kicking, and
so I was my attacking as well. So I think
we knew if we could get the ball in front
of the boys with our kicking game, those the big
boys up front could get the job done for us,
So you know, I just had to had to keep
them all in front of them, and yeah, just get

(47:15):
the job done after that.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
And I know you probably don't want to talk about
yourself too much, so I'll move on in a moment.
But you can run as well. It led to another
try the triple thread of kick pass Run. Is that
something you also pride yourself on?

Speaker 7 (47:28):
Yeah, for sure. You know, I love love my running game.

Speaker 14 (47:32):
You know, I'm.

Speaker 7 (47:34):
Kind of Yeah, just one one of my things that
you know, I've worked on throughout my career.

Speaker 20 (47:39):
So definitely trying to trying to incorporate all of it,
you know, now the kid game, running game and yeah,
all that, so yeah, definitely working working on all of
that and trying trying.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
To bring it all together.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
A lot of the narrative and the lead up to
last night was about Ardie Savia facing his former side.
Of course, you lost him for the second half with
a tight hamstring. How did your rise above what could
have been a big psychological blow in losing Art for
the second half.

Speaker 20 (48:08):
Yeah, sure, you can't can't play Sarty, you know, the
best player in the world. But you know, we've got
a got a good, good bench, got a lot of
depth in the squad, so we near the boys on
the bench could come and bring that energy, you know,
and just finish the job for us. So you know,
we knew, we knew we had that, just just had
to finish the job.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
We've got.

Speaker 20 (48:29):
We've got ourselves in a good position in that first half.
So yeah, the bottom on the bench.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Is come in and get the job done in the end,
as atis save the best player in the world. I
don't think you get too many arguments. Can you tell
us about his influence inside the Mona Pacific a playing group.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
Oh yeah, I can see on TV and that knows.

Speaker 20 (48:52):
Very humble guy, very easy to get on with, and
just leads by example, you know, trained hard and then
shows up.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
You can see it in the game.

Speaker 20 (49:02):
So yeah, just I think that's the biggest thing from
him is won't ask you to do anything that he
won't do, so just leads from the front and lead
by example to these actions.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
And another one of your loose forwards a youngster miracle
for a lungy scoring a het trick, the first hat
trick in mo Onea Pacific history. Actually, how do you
assess Simon rate them among the other young players? You've
had the chance to play alongside and against.

Speaker 20 (49:28):
Yeah, he's a beast back, you know, a whole forward
packed unreal, but our loose forwards as well, then they're stacked,
and he's been on fire this year. He's strange power. Ye,
he's a free cathlete, and yeah, he was unreal yesterday
as well. Again, you know, like he has a north season.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
The Hurricanes came out, You're pretty hard in the last
ten minutes, didn't They got a couple of tries to
reduce the margin. What sort of conversations were going on
out there as you defended your lead and defended your
line late in the game.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
Yeah, gave us a bit of a scare. We're kind
of just you know, we had a good lead, just
kind of just need to do our jobs.

Speaker 20 (50:14):
You know, a couple of miss tackles here and there,
we kind of we knew what they were going out
of but yeah, we just kind of slipped off a
bit there.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
But yeah, luckily, luckily we just held on at the end.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
And scoring points hasn't been a problem for you. One
hundred and forty nine across your four games, So that's
that's going well. Is defense? Do you think one of
your your bigger work ons as you move forward.

Speaker 20 (50:38):
Really, I think our defense is really solid, you know,
it's just I think in moments were kind of it's
just kind of putting a putting together eighty minute performance.
You know, we sometimes we kind of just switch off
in moments and you know, lose momentum for a blocker period.
Because our defense, Yeah, it's solid and we can we
can stop teams pretty pretty pretty well. So I think

(51:00):
it's just kind of putting together an eighty minute performance
and just not switching off for for big blocks of
blocks of.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
The game and just just back to you to finish.
You're coming off too terrific seasons with Coventry. But was
it a pretty easy yes when you offer the chance
to play super rugby for more one, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (51:21):
For sure.

Speaker 20 (51:21):
I think you know, it's a dream to play super
rugby since I was a kid, and you know, I
wanted to kind of move back closer to home and
closet opportunity to play for more on closer closer to
my home and also closer to my roots, you know,
in terms of my culture and all that. So yeah,

(51:43):
it was pretty pretty easy, yes, when when that came through.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Yeah, well I bet the your teammates were pretty happy.
How about that crowd last night. You're starting to build
quite a quite a cool base of supporters at at Albany,
aren't you.

Speaker 20 (51:56):
Yeah, fans are unreal, you know, Pacific specific fans all
around the world, you know, you know all of them
they are. Yeah, Yeah, They're huge and very loud, very vocal,
so been behind us. Definitely definitely helped to get us
over the finish line yesterday.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Congrats on the win, Patrick, first of many. I'm sure
this season terrific performance from you personally as well.

Speaker 8 (52:21):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Thanks for taking the time for a chat and all
the best.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
Oh good, thank you, Jason, appreciate it now.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Thank you for your time, Patrick, Patrick Palegrini there and
the first five jumper for more onea Pacific. I had
to wait for a bit, Jackson Garden. Bishop wore the
ten jumper in the first three games. Patrick Pellegrini off
the bench last week and almost got them home against
the Highlanders. Started there last night and one from one
the Villing. He'll take ownership of that jersey for the
next little while. Let's talk some super rugby, oh, eight

(52:47):
hundred and eighty ten eighty anything you want to pick
up on. I loved that last night from Mowana Pacifica,
and that is taking into account the fact that it
was against the team that I followed, the Hurricanes. But
they deserved that win. They absolutely deserved it. And if
you said before the game, okay, Ardie Savi is only

(53:09):
going to play forty minutes, you would have worried about
the impact that that might have had. As they walked
out in the second half, WAA Pacifica without Ardie Savier
could easily have thought, man, this is going to be
tough without our talisman, without our skipper, without as Patrick
Pellegrine he said, the best player in the world, but
Mana Pacifica stepped up in his absence. Miracle fight yar langy.

(53:32):
What a player. What a magnificent prospect. I say prospect.
He's twenty five, but he's only really been I guess
around the Super Rugby scene for a couple of years.
I think he debuted in twenty twenty three. What a player.
It's only one game. I know it's only one game,
but if they keep playing like that, Mina Pacifica will

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have their best ever Super Rugby season and then you're
add in the Fiji and Drewer winners in Lautoka against
the previously unbeaten Chiefs at home. The Fijian Drewer are
formidable and as Elliot Smith said in his final whistle
commentary there last night, it's called super rakby Pacific and

(54:16):
the Fiji and Drewer and Mowana Pacifica are well and
truly in the game. Losses for the Blues, the Chiefs
and the Hurricanes so far this weekend. No game for
the Highlanders. They've got the buye. But if the Reds
were to tip up the Crusaders this afternoon in christ Church,
and it wouldn't beyond the realms of possibility. They've won
their first two matches. They're two from two. If the

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Reds were to win this afternoon, it would be the
first time since Round four in twenty thirteen that four
New Zealand teams have all lost on the same weekend.
Regardless of what happens this afternoon in christ Church, the
Hurricanes and the Blues will end the weekend in the
bottom three, probably the two best sides last season in

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terms of the the regular season. At the moment, all
four Australian sides are in the top six. But the
table is so tight that if the Crusaders were to
beat the Reds this afternoon with a bonus points and
by a margin of twenty seven points or more, they
would jump from eleventh to third on the table. In

(55:29):
the space of eighty minutes, they'll jump up eight places.
Isn't this what we've wanted for so long? A competitive
Super rugby competition where the Australian sides are strong, Mina
Pacifica are strong, the Fiji and Dreuer are strong, when
from week to week, from game to game, you simply

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don't know who's going to win. Isn't that the bedrock
of any attractive sporting competition that on their day anybody
can beat anybody. And in amongst all of this, we're
still getting lots of tries, high scoring games. Jack Newsley
was on the show yesterday he must have been again

(56:10):
delighted with what has played out over the weekend. The
Brumbi is getting home against the Blues twenty one to twenty,
the Fiji and Drewer beating the Chiefs twenty eight twenty four,
Minor Pacifica as mentioned, forty thirty one winners over the Hurricanes,
the outlier was the Waratas comfortably beating the force last
night by thirty four points to ten. Crusaders reads to
finish things this afternoon. This is what we've wanted. So

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what are you seeing? And I mentioned just before the
one o'clock news as I watched those scenes from Lao
Tooky yesterday and the utter fanaticism of the Fijian rugby
crowd and the occasion that has created whenever the Fiji
drew play Super Rugby at home. I got a message
from Andy actually and he said, surely we take Super

(56:56):
Round two Fiji Super Round in Fiji. All teams, well
ten of them anyway, under the current structure, ten teams
all up in Fiji for a weekend. And I you know,
I know what people are going to say, Oh, I no,
you couldn't have Yeah, I know, you couldn't have five
games on one perchin and what if it rains and

(57:17):
all that sort of thing. All the yeah butt merchants
will come out, but it wouldn't have to play them
all than Tokyo. You could have a couple of games there,
a couple of games in Suva. You just work it out.
But Super Round in Fiji? What about it Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two on text.

(57:38):
Heaps of texts coming through, but I'm keen to hear
your overall summation as we're nearing the end of round
four of Super Rugby where we have the Chiefs still
at the top of the table on fourteen points, the
Warrtars on thirteen after another one last night. We'd actually
I should have mentioned, has them of with one hundred
percent record. The only team who have played three games
and won all three one of the Reds or the Crusaders.

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We know the Crusaders seven won both games that they
have the Reads win this afternoon they'll be three from three,
but this table can change in the space of a
game or two. Again, this is what we've wanted. Super
Rugby Pacific is getting it right. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nineteen nine to two one text one

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twenty three. Back with your calls on the rugby after.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
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Speaker 3 (58:33):
TALKSB one twenty six on News talks NB. Joe says,
I may be off the mart, but I feel the
refereeing in this year's Super Rugby season has contributed to
the comp being a lot more enjoyable. It appears that
the on field ref has been given full control of
the game, with the TMO only intervening when requested and required.
Games are flowing and the players appear to be enjoying it.
It makes for a great watch, with the added excitement

(58:54):
of perhaps any team being able to beat any other
on any particular day. More of the same place, Joe,
I think you bang on, absolutely bang on. The less
TMO involvement.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
The better.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
I think. I don't think you'll get an argument from anybody.
Probably not even the TMOS would disagree, can I? Phil?

Speaker 21 (59:14):
Okay, Finny?

Speaker 16 (59:15):
How are you great?

Speaker 8 (59:16):
Phil?

Speaker 21 (59:16):
You not too bad?

Speaker 7 (59:19):
Not too bad?

Speaker 6 (59:19):
Next?

Speaker 22 (59:20):
But yeah, no, that's good with Joe text in it,
because I hadn't thought of that, But as soon as
you read it out, I thought, yeah, that's being on
the money. That's another thing that seems to be It
seems to be good as well with less TMO, less TMO,
less TMOS being involved, you know, and stowing the game

(59:42):
and stopping the game and going back ten faders, you know,
to see something that happened and then yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
We'll want to We'll want accuracy. We'll want accuracy and
decision making, Phil, don't we But not at the expenses
you say of, you know, interminably long delays and play.

Speaker 14 (01:00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:00:01):
Yeah, because that's what puts people off, you know, And
I think that was the trouble. Part of the trouble
last year. Yeah, you know that the involvement of is
becoming excessive and getting over the top and it draw Yeah,
that just draws people away from the game, puts them
off and I'll go and watch the league or something
like that. But yeah, it was a good point that
Joe texts through there. But I think these new rule

(01:00:22):
changes and that have really made an impact and sped
the game up and made it a lot better.

Speaker 23 (01:00:28):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:00:30):
I don't know all the ins and outs and the rules.
Andy mentioned a couple, but I noticed, especially with the scrums.
Now now you're not mucking around and it's not stopping
and starting so much, and it's get the ball and
get it out. And if it goes down a couple
of times and it's a penalty instead of resetting three
or four or five times, and then there was one
where it took if you take too long to throw
the ball in the line out and the tap and

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go option as well. So yeah, and I thought too,
like I watched all the games last night, and I
watched the drawer first half last week and they impressed me.
And I don't think they went on to win, but
for the first half, I thought, these boys are looking good,
the old Fiji duo. So I'll be watching out for them.

(01:01:14):
They'll get a few wins under the belt. And I
always thought, uh, Moana specific, we're going to win. It
was just a matter of win. And they'll win more
as well. I think, you know, they'll be another one
to watch because they just had those once they put
those moments of sort of lapses that I think they
called them one percent is you know that in the

(01:01:36):
rugby terms they use now and that sort of thing.
But when they had that sort of little moments of
lack of defense, like the the guy that you were
interviewing was saying, like at the end of the Hurricanes game,
even though they won, gee, if that game had gone
on another five minutes and that last ten the way
the Hurricanes got those tries and they started dropping off
a couple of tackles. I don't know whether they just

(01:01:57):
kind of relaxed a bit or what happened. So once
they get nailed that down as well, yeah, they're gonna
be They're gonna have quite a few wins, I imagine.
But looking forward to the Crusaders today.

Speaker 11 (01:02:09):
But yeah, the whole.

Speaker 22 (01:02:11):
Competition I think is really good. I'm really liking it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yeah, Phil, I'm exactly the same. You've summed it up beautifully.
The Fiji Andrew. If the Fiji and Drewer can find
a way to win away from home, they will be
an absolute force because they are so so difficult to
beat at home. In fact, it's now at the point
where if they win in Lovetoker or Suva or at

(01:02:36):
home at all, it's not a surprise anymore. Someone's made
the point. It wasn't a surprise to see the Fiji
Andrew beat the Chiefs yesterday. In Fiji. It's no longer
a surprise. In fact, the biggest surprise was when they
lost to the Brumbies at home in round one in Suva.
That was the biggest surprise. Winda pacifica Yeah, there's still
some way to go, but last night we'll give them

(01:02:58):
huge confidence and looking at their players. And I've had
a message here that David Natha, who we had on
the show back in a line next year from memory
or sort of midway through last year mental skills coach,
is now one of Pacific as mental skills coach. I
didn't know that, but I was impressed by David Nitha
when he came in to talk about his book last year.
So lookase he's involved in a sporting organization, then that

(01:03:23):
will only be to the improvement of that organization, Mike
says on email. So far Super Rugby has been terrific,
fast and thrilling, heaps of tries, lots of running. The
attempt by rugby Union boss to speed up the game
and make it more like the NRL, which has huge support,
is though going to backfire badly when it comes to

(01:03:43):
international test matches. Right now, any of the six Nations
teams would be a match for the All Blacks and Australia,
says Mike. Mike, I have to disagree with that. I
don't think Italy would be and I don't think Wales
would be. I think you can chalk those two off
straight away as not not being a match for us.
But your point is valid, And Mike goes on to

(01:04:05):
say comparing Super rugby Test rugby is like comparing T
twenty to Test cricket, and I guess that would be
the collateral damage. And it's another interesting little conversation point
text here on the same issue. Super rugby is amazing,
but the rest of the world don't play touch and giggle.
This texter has called it. Well, I guess we'll wait

(01:04:26):
and find out, won't we. I guess we'll wait and
see when the international season rolls around whether it has
been something that will be to the detriment of the
All Blacks. As I've said often on the show, though
it's not up to Super Rugby bosses, coaches, those involved
in Super Rugby too to just do the bidding of
the All Blacks. Scott Robertson can't go into any of

(01:04:49):
the New Zealand franchises and say, hey, tone it down
a bit, I'd prefer you play this way, or hey,
I need you to play that bloke at that position.
He can't do it. He could suggest it. They've got
no obligation to listen at all, it's those coaches responsibility
to win Super Rugby games for their teams.

Speaker 16 (01:05:05):
Richard, Hi, Yeah, Hi, good morning, afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:05:08):
I just wanted to bring up regarding the well, I
think high probability of no New Zealand teams winning this weekend.

Speaker 11 (01:05:17):
Me.

Speaker 17 (01:05:17):
I don't think any of the losses have been surprises.
I think all the teams Pasifuka, Fiji and even the
Brumbies all deserved to win. And I think that I
think it's going to show them the Zealand teams they
can't take any team lightly and they've got to be
on their game each weekend. It's sort of I like it.
It's much better. I like the referee much much better,

(01:05:40):
trying to get rid of all the time wasting and
getting the game flowing. So it's become a full squad
game and that helps because you know, if teams aren't
fit enough, they'll get found out and so they should be. Yeah,
that's pretty much where I'm at. But yeah, in terms
of all these Isling teams, I think I think the
Cleans and read is what they're playing is ridiculous. And

(01:06:02):
I think even though the Crusaders have a top team
on probably for the long while on the field this week,
I just got a funny feeling that the Reds will
took them up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
You think the Reds will, But yeah, did you just
mention the odds there, I've just looked at them. Now,
Crusader's a dollar twenty reads for twenty. You're on the
back of the Reds. You should get on that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
I have been already.

Speaker 17 (01:06:22):
Just keep calling you know what, you know, that's what
beating it. You can take your position and you go
for and if it works out, it works. Out of
a dozen it doesn't. But so far I've done all
right on the drew in Pacifica so quite heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Nice. I wonder at what point, Richard, they'll start like
those who sit the odds at the tab will start
thinking along the same lines you are, and that actually
we can't make the drawer or more on the Pacifica
or any of the Australian teams rank outside as anymore.
Is it going to continue to bite us? I mean,
you know, it's all driven, of course, as you know,
by the amount of money that comes in. And I'm

(01:06:58):
sure there's a lot of money on the Crusaders this afternoon.
But you're right, the reads could easily win that game.

Speaker 17 (01:07:02):
But I was just surprised when I heard how many
players of the Hellen players were injured. They mentioned a
figure of fifty players. They're basically king in pro team,
isn't it. Obviously some teams have got more or less,
but I just think that's such a high attrition rate already.

Speaker 8 (01:07:17):
And that's the big thing.

Speaker 17 (01:07:19):
It's teams being able to keep their top players playing
but in keep them in a good enough shape for
the towards the end of the season when the playoffs come,
and also for what the international coaches want. And that's
where a lot of pressure I think are where you
fight on the Hellens because they tend to get a
lot of pressure put on them, more than what people

(01:07:40):
realize from the all black hierarchies, so they can have
the players ready for all the all black jersey. I
don't know there's a few players injured, because I really
want them to play a lot a lot of new
players when the French beating comes down.

Speaker 16 (01:07:57):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, well why not? Yeah? I don't think they will
rich but I hear you, mate, and I've heard it
suggested by a lot of people. If they're not going
to send a decent team down. Why don't we just
treat it as a bit of a development exercise as well.
I don't think Scott Roberts is going to do that.
I get the feeling at the back end of Super
Rugby will pick the strongest possible all Black squad and
they will do everything they can to win comfortably in

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all three Test matches against France. Thanks for your call, Richard.
I hope that hope that your besting continues to go
well for you. I think that is actually long for
the very very long for the Reds. Yeah, the Crusaders
I think can rightfully expect to be favorites at home.
But let's not forget the last time out, which was

(01:08:41):
a couple of weeks ago. They were fresh off the buy.
They were beaten forty nine to twenty four by the Chiefs,
their biggest ever loss in terms of points margin to
the Chiefs and Super Rugby history. In the first game
they had a good one over the Hurricanes. They had
the buye of course, as far as the Reds are concerned, well,
the Reds had the buy to start. Then they came

(01:09:03):
out and put fifty six on ma WAA Pacifica in
a fifty thirty six win, and then last week they
went all the way over to Western Australia and beat
the Force twenty eight twenty four, and the Force had
started really well. So I think the Reds will turn
up in christ Church with a high degree of confidence.
I'm not saying that their favorites by any stretching their imagination,

(01:09:25):
of course they're not. But the Reds could win. And
look after the weekend we've had, could you say that,
you know, it's beyond the realms of possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Of course not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
The Reds could easily come over to christ Church and win.
In about an hour or so we'll get to christ Church. Actually,
Nick Buy, the hardest working man in our organization, has
come from the New Zealand Track and Field Champs back
to christ Church to call a couple of games of rugby,
including this one this afternoon. Mass Is. I'm putting the
improvement of super rugby teams in Australia down to the
Lions Tour this year. They all seem fitter, better skills,

(01:09:57):
greater intensity, a once in a lifetime event, as a
lot of great players never get the chance to play
against the line. Yeah, it's got to be a carrot
for the must, doesn't it. It has to be a
carrot for them to, you know, to have the possibility
of being selected in Joe Schmidt's squad to take on
the British and Irish lines mid year. Why wouldn't you
want to put your best foot forward? Bang On Owen says,

(01:10:20):
gives me goosebumps thinking about super Round and Fiji be amazing.
The Drewer have never lost a game in Loutoka, so
we do need to take them seriously. It's not an
upset that they beat the Chiefs, and Dennis says great.
Best referee performance the weekend was Angus Gardner referering France
against Ireland. Great game as well, Scott. He says, of

(01:10:41):
the French or any team sends a B team to
New Zealand, we should always feel the strongest team and
send them home embarrassed so they never ever do it again.
Bang On, Well, we can't control who France are going
to send down, right, They'll send down who they want
to send down, and I see we're not. I mean
there was talk that they might change their stance and
we might see perhaps that you know, Antoine to pont Light,

(01:11:07):
you know deem it something that he would do. But
I see he was helped off in this morning sixth
Nations game, fell on his leg, causing it to buck
all Planet Rugby as saying that they think he suffered
an ACL rupture. Goodness me, he was highly unlikely to
come anyway, but you'd have to imagine that at the

(01:11:27):
very least he'll need six months recovery time. So now
I think you can take him out of any possible
equation to come down here with France in the middle
of the year. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,
two ninety two is our text line twenty one away
from two. Quick update on the cricket Georgia plumbers into
the nineties unbeaten on ninety one New Zealander one hundred

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and ninety seven for three. And just as I say
that she's gone down the ground as that six, it
is ninety seven not out Georgia Plumber approaching her first
ever One Day International century the Wellington opener who's had
a long period on the sidelines with injury, and she's
just bashed one down the ground for six. Great stuff.

(01:12:11):
I'll update the score for you when they put it
back up on the screen, which they haven't at the moment.
Let's get a breakaway at twenty to two when we
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Speaker 17 (01:12:46):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
Great, thanks Piney and great to see that you've been
listening to the Alternative Commentary Collective because you've got Patrick
Kurlagreenie on your show and we were singing as praise
as last night, literally singing songs included the song song
and Perfect Gentlemen by Wycliff John. I don't know if
you know it, but anyway, yeah, he was out player

(01:13:06):
of the day of the match.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
He was excellent. He was excellent and I must say,
in one of your other capacities on the Crowd Goes Wild,
I loved your chat with Kiren to Moi Filal. This
kid can play too.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
Yeah, and he's got one more year until he qualifies
for the All Blacks. I'm sure he's on Razors radar.
He's just so talented. He saw it a couple of
times last night. He did bomb a try in the
first half though, so obviously there's little canks to iron out.
But yeah, he's just rapid and the appeals because he's
just got that elite speed, which you know, if you've

(01:13:41):
been watching Six Nations be Albury, the French wing, just
having the fastest man on the field often helps out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
I just look at Mina Pacifica. Now they've got the buy.
And then their next two matches are against the Chiefs
at home on the twenty first of March. In fact,
that's meant to be Oh no, that's been moved, hasn't
it from nukwalaw for They won't play it up there, now,
will they. And then it's the Crusaders down in christ
Church last night. You know when they beat the Hurricanes,
did it feel to you like a pivotal moment? Do

(01:14:11):
you think it's something they can launch from it?

Speaker 10 (01:14:15):
Did?

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
Actually it felt like a massive turning point. I think
Callegreen he made a big difference. At ten, they sorted
out their line out, they had their two big parlang
Ey locks in there, one of whom Tom Savage got
yellow carded. So you know, it wasn't smooth sailing, but
the dominance of that second half performance, especially against a

(01:14:37):
stacked Hurricanes bench. We're talking cam Roy Guard all black
number one half back, now dupless kid Efi all coming
off the bench and trying to make a big impact
for the Canes, which I think they did, especially said Efi,
but seeing the way that the one of pacifica a
dominated territory position, are really creative, they sort of won

(01:15:02):
that upfront battle as well. And to be honest, a
player like Miracle file on you is a bona fide
superstar blindside flank for Mowana and for Manu Sama, and
it's it's actually great to see a player who's you know,
come from the Island's place for the Islands and there's
going to be I reckon you know, world Fistan material.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Yeah, oh look, it's it's awesome to watch them play.
And I look, I hope that they that they do
launch from this. Hey, if the Reds beat the Crusaders
this afternoon. There'll be three wins from three, the war
Atars three wins from three. So after a month of
Super Rugby, we could have the Wartars and the Reds
as the two teams with a one hundred percent record.

(01:15:45):
Did anybody pick that?

Speaker 10 (01:15:48):
Not?

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
This correspondent Pony. I didn't think the Tars were going
to be good though. I just thought they seem to
get the best cast offs from the Rebels and they
picked up Joseph Sueliki and tane Ed Med was really
good for North Harbor at first five in the NBC.
So really I saw the improvement coming from the Tars

(01:16:09):
and that's it's great that they're doing that because even
the crowd seem pretty pumped over there in Sydney, and
it's important given it's a traditional powerhouse of the game
and how dominant league is in that city. But then look,
I think the competition is incredible. Just so many games
decided by you know, one score games they call them,

(01:16:32):
so just you know, seven points are under those fans
want to see. The biggest concern for me in this
latest round is that Friday night with the Blues against
the Bumbees, small crowd just didn't feel like there was
much energy. You can't exactly call yourself have a home
crowd advantage if you haven't got any people there or energy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
That's a good point. It's a really good point.

Speaker 12 (01:16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
They It's a big arena to fill, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (01:17:00):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
You know, even if you get twenty thousand in there,
it's still not half full, is it. Look I'm not
suggesting they move somewhere else, but we all know what
a good sized medium like. I'm going to call Mount
Smart a boutique stadium. You look at Mount Smart when
the Warriors are there or when Auckland FC are there,
you know it's probably twenty thousand and there, the place
just rocking.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
Well, that's the thing that I know that Andrew Wore,
the CEO of the of the Blues, is looking down
the road and seeing what's happened at Mount Smart and
the groundswell. It's just basically become, you know, such a
massive social phenomenon really of watching people go up the
wars and the Blues don't have that they've won a title,
what else can they do?

Speaker 14 (01:17:43):
This is the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
They've got superstars playing out there that you know, Boden
Barrett's out on the field with Caleb Clark and Mark Talia.
You can't say they're not exciting an exciting team to watch.
But the one thing that did let them now know
was not taking the kick it goal. And I think
it's about time that maybe the kickers just like the
old days when you play club rugby, quite often the
kicker would tell the captain what we're going to happen next.

(01:18:06):
You didn't live it up to the forward. He's put
his head in fifty rucks. You just said a week year,
we're actually kicking for goali mate, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
And that was what decisions made. Yeah, Hay six Nations
this morning, and halftime between Ireland and France it was
eight six to France over Ireland. So we're talking about
a goalkickers game there. At full time it's forty to
twenty seven. Defense optional in the second half.

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
Well, there's several things that play here. One is the
French just getting a smiff of blood really over in
Dublin and just starting to cut loose. And the new
rules don't favor some of those big let's call them
plotting teams, and so the game speeds up. Ireland can't

(01:18:52):
slow it down the way they like and can't control it,
and the frenchire game this is perfect for us. So
that was one fact that I think when I look
at that Ireland team, man, it was strong. There weren't
too many key players missing. However, was James Low missing
the Tasman wing. So you lose the kiwi with only
two kiwis out there, it can be catastrophic. All hell

(01:19:14):
breaks loose pony. It's like a clover. If you've got
four leaves, it's good luck three leaves, just any normal clover.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
And did anybody ever look for a two leaf clover?
I don't think so. I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
Clover come on now.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
So I mean that was a big factor for me.
But even losing DuPont early and I just want to
come back to that if I may. But even losing
DuPont earlier, it just showed the depth that France had.
That people who follow that that team will notice that
even the bench there were new players. So the depth
there is crazy. But just Onto Pont, who got taken
out in the ruck and has a potential acl knee injury,

(01:19:53):
I think the cleanout is still a debacle and they
might I think rugby the next move, the next big
move will be sorting out to clean out, and we
could end up going to a place where you can't
leave with his shoulder on someone who's just standing their
praying and trapped in a rut, because that's how people,
you know, basically get injured out of World Cups, like

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Quinty Pyre and other things. And now you see DuPont,
I think maybe it's going to be more like American
football where you have to push, you know, use your hands,
maybe your arms as well, but definitely not leading them
with the shoulder.

Speaker 14 (01:20:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I totally agree. I totally totally agree. How do you
reckon the black Caps can do it tonight? I've got
Gary Stead on the radio after two you reckon they
can do it?

Speaker 8 (01:20:38):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
How much do you pay for a commentator's curse pony?
Because I think we can totally do it. I love
the look of the black Caps. I have said that
we shouldn't be playing ratchan Avenger as an opener, we
should protect them from the new ball, and of course
that opinion was uta bollocks because he scored a ton
in the semi final and looked fantastic and maybe that's

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the genius of it. That's the roll of the dice.
We can only really score over three point fifty if
you do have someone like Ratchan who is a budding
superstar opening the batting. I would still protect them, I
would still beat them at four. But then I'm not
the coach that's made taking the team to several finals

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and one at least one of them and drew another.
Don't forget that Piney this time though, I think we've
got a really strong attack, that bowling attack, with our
spinners working really nicely. The other day, Santa just looks
to be in great form taking He's taken that captain

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see like a duck to water. And then even bracewoman
Ratchen Revender himself looking really handy tying down in South African.
So hopefully that can happen again.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
I hope. So great to chat as always James Good
and O. We're on the same wave length around our
friend mister Palla GREENI let's chat again next Sunday, shall we?

Speaker 11 (01:22:03):
Let's do that, And I do.

Speaker 6 (01:22:04):
Agree with you about the super round ship be in Fiji.
Let's make it happen speak less existence.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Yeah here, let's just imagine it into fact. I'm not
sure whether that's actually a thing. Good to talk to you, James,
as always, mate, James mcconey big part of our Sundays
seven to two news talks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Four to two. Georgia Plummer has been dismissed for one
hundred and twelve her first ever One Day International century
New Zealander two hundred and thirty three for four and
the forty fifth over. This is the third and final
One Day International between the White Ferns and Sri Lanka
in Nelson. Speaking of cricket, Gary Stead leads us off
after two o'clock coach of the black Caps ahead of
the Champions Trophy final against India tonight starting at ten

(01:22:53):
o'clock New Zealand time in Dubai. How are they feeling?
And Tom Bruce score of three hundred and forty five.
During the week.

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There seven past two. This is weekend sport for another
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a through the night's viewing experienced tonight ten o'clock start
Champions Trophy Final Black Camps by India. Du Buy coach
Gary Stead is with us very shortly. Speaking of cricket,

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Tom Bruce did something pretty special during the week. He
scored three hundred and forty five, the third highest score
in New Zealand first class history three hundred and forty
five for CD against Auckland and they got sent in
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National Track and Field Champs yesterday. Back in christ Juge
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finishing off the Super Rugby Opicky game, which I can
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to go there. Then Nike'll have a quick break and
at about half past three he'll call the Crusaders against
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us a bit about the track and Field Champs, but
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always do at around about this time on weekend Sport,
we bring you up to date. We put the spotlight
on a couple of things which have happened in the
last few hours or so that you might have missed.
In case you missed it, we start in the Premier
League Chris Wood and not Nottingham Forest with a significant

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win over Manchester City.

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For jicks like to hutch to Joy try to open City.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Out Jicksono scores.

Speaker 23 (01:25:20):
The Forests the City crown Eruptor's run.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
An eighty third minute winner from Mcallum Hudson a toy
keeping Nottingham Forest in third place, four points clear of
Manchester City with ten games to go. Would himself not
troubling the scorers. I'm sure he won't mind one. They'll
over City well in some Phoenix fans, though I'm sure
will mind the amount that Western United troubled the scorers

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last night. Can't hold on my attention, Danzacky link up
and down Grimaldi, look at your choo.

Speaker 23 (01:25:51):
He will get to Matthew Grimaldi win a beautiful first
chants track DANSACKI involved in the build up again, but
Gramaldi gets a double.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
Western United had four for one the final score a
fourth straight loss for the Wellington Phoenix men's side to
the NRL. The Bulldogs too strong for the Dragons twenty
two six The dogs, Oh, I started again.

Speaker 19 (01:26:17):
It's a figure beauty so Tilly tipa oh.

Speaker 16 (01:26:21):
He's going to be a cold figure at belmore, judging.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
By the way he has started his doggie's career. Twenty
eight twenty to the Bulldogs there and the Manly Sea
Eagles relentless and they're hammering of the Cowboys and now
down the short.

Speaker 19 (01:26:35):
Side again Pigo sub mainly mainly Sun.

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They're unstoppable. It's it's another lens of points of brook
five a forty two twelve when for the Manly Sea
Eagles to start there NRL season and to rugby union
the war Tars moving into second as in Super Rugby
are convincing win over the Western Force Bran Why is

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it white out? They've got a slight hard here hellaway
in the park, there's the icing. Then Ner sup Wells
thirty fourteen to the wars House there in France, despite
losing their talisman, Antoine du Pont running riot over Ireland
to reignite their six Nations opes, and then.

Speaker 23 (01:27:23):
Pictor Ernie row Is a land gun, the Nippy's Eyes shower.
Dunnim Kenno at the river breaking monumental moments.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Is all tiny equals Systo Dunim.

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Kenno analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.
Weekends for It with Jason Vye nicoll.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Us Talk ZB eleven minutes past two tonight in Dubai
from ten o'clock New Zealand time, the black Caps take
on India in the ICC Champions Trophy Final. Black Caps
coach Gary Stead is with us out of Dubai. Gary,
thanks for taking the time for a chat. Let's start
with personnel. What's the latest you can tell us about

(01:28:11):
the likely involvement or not of Matt Henry.

Speaker 24 (01:28:15):
Yeah, look, I mean Matt obviously landed on the shoulder
and was in a little bit of pain. So we're
going to give him every opportunity. He'll have a fitness
test tonight just to see how he's tracking and we'll
make a call after that whether he plays tomorrow or not.

Speaker 14 (01:28:30):
So until we have that he.

Speaker 24 (01:28:34):
Has that bowl this evening, there's just a little bit
of unknown around his readiness or not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Is it his bowling shoulder that is the problem.

Speaker 24 (01:28:43):
Yeah, it's his right right shoulder, so yeah, it's obviously
important to him. So yeah, it's it's not ideal, but
unfortunately those things come with playing sport at times.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
So if he is ruled out of the final, is
it most likely Gary you'll go like the like and
select another semen.

Speaker 24 (01:29:02):
Yeah, I think the different options we have, it's either
that and we've got I guess two other seamas in
the squad and JKB Duffy and Nathan Smith, or if
we think the pitch will turn appreciatively, then we'd consider
another batsman as well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
All right, we'll keep our eyes on that and keep
our fingers crossed for Matt Henry. If you look at
the pool game you played against India, thirty seven of
the forty five overs India bowl at you in that
game Will Spinovers. Is that what you're expecting again from
them in the final?

Speaker 24 (01:29:34):
Yeah, to be honest, we're not sure, just because we
haven't been down to the stadium yet to have a
look at the pitch, and that will have a big bearing.
I think on a the makeup of our side, but
equally I think the makeup of their side as well.
But I'm not expecting India to have too many changes.
I'm sure that Chack Bravardi will play against us, considering

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he got five wickets last time, which probably means they
may only have two seamas.

Speaker 14 (01:30:00):
So we're certainly planning around that.

Speaker 24 (01:30:03):
But we have noticed early in the tournament that they
did do it slightly differently though as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
In your eleven you've got four spinners as well, Mitchell Santa,
Michael Bricewell, Richen Revendra, Glenn Phillips. Could you foresee a
scenario under which you might get thirty five to even
forty overs from your spinners in the final?

Speaker 24 (01:30:23):
Yeah, just it depends on how it's going in the
game and how much it does turn. I think you're
sort of the flip side of that. I think our
seam bowlers have been really outstanding through this tournament for
us as well, and Matt Henry's obviously leading wicket taker
at the moment, but Kyle Jamison and Willow Rourke have
chipped in with key spells and key wickets at times.

(01:30:44):
So it would really really depend on just the nature
of the wicket and whether we do deem it to
be more tougher against spinners than pace bowlers. But until
you get into the match, it's sometimes hard.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
To know that.

Speaker 24 (01:30:58):
But the good thing is, as you alluded to, we
have got I guess forty oervers of spin available to
us there if we want it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
When you look at the success of seam bowlers and
in fact all the same bowlers at this tournament is
the ability to vary pace and in fact to take
pace off key to bowling well at this tournament in
terms of taking wickets and keeping the runs down.

Speaker 8 (01:31:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:31:20):
Look, we've talked about our seams of trying to keep
the stumps and players often as we can. Is the
wickets are a wee bit up and down in terms
of very ability of bounce, so that's been important to us.
But you're right, it's also about when you get to
those I guess death stages of the innings of not
being too predictable. I mean, the players these days have

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a great ability to clear the boundary and hit the
ball out of the park. So I think one of
the key things is your own predictability and setting fields
that you do have options for them to be able
to either go straight or a little bit wider if
that's the right option as well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
You have of course played in there already in Paul play.
It was really the outlier in terms of the Black
Apps performances at this tournament. Are you able just to
write that game off as a bad day out or
can you take things of value from it that will
be useful in the final.

Speaker 14 (01:32:14):
To be honest, we weren't that bad that day.

Speaker 24 (01:32:16):
I thought we bowled really well to restrict India to
I think it was two forty five or somewhere around
there was good. We just struggled to get partnerships together
that day. Other than I guess Caine's eighty odd that
he scored, we just struggled to I guess, yeah, get
those partnerships and probably slipped a little bit behind the

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run rates. So it's certainly something that we've been talking
about and if we are in a run chase, how
we put them under pressure a little bit more, and
that may mean some slight jigs in batting orders as well,
just to I guess, try and nullify their strengths as well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
The batting innings in the semi final against South Africa
three sixty two for six batting first centuries to write
and revenge Racame Williamson, good knocks from Daryl Mitchell and
Glenn Phillips, with strike rates right out there right through
the innings. Where does that innings rate among the fifty
overrunnings you've ever seen as Black Caps coach?

Speaker 14 (01:33:12):
Yeah, it was obviously very good.

Speaker 24 (01:33:15):
The nice thing for us is we have all of
our batsmen are and some really good form at the moment,
and that's always important in the short tournament like this.
So I think the build up with the try series
against South Africa and Pakistan were important and now it's
just around I think us trusting the way that we're playing.
I think the template, the blueprint that we're trying to

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play has obviously been successful and I think the only
thing to really remember is the conditions we've come from
in Pakistan to UAE here are quite different, so it's
about adapting and adapting fast to the conditions tomorrow when
we do face India.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Yeahhaw was a bit of a road, wasn't it. Dubai
not likely to be quite the same, Is it more
two fifty to sixty pascol batting first?

Speaker 24 (01:34:02):
Yeah, I think the only real difference to that as
you saw as you scored to eighty odd and India
chase that down and it looked like it was a
better wicket than the one we were on. They can
sometimes be tricky to read here the wickets. They sometimes
look a little bit dull and gray, and sometimes they've
got a shiny sheen on them. So it's really been

(01:34:23):
able to read what's what's right right out there. But
you're right, the wickets in Pakistan are definitely more batter friendly.
The three sixty we scored, I think was probably forty
or fifty runs above par, which does augur well with
the form of our batsman Gary.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
With the ball in the fifty over game. We know
it's about, you know, economy and keeping the runs down,
but how important is taking wickets at regular intervals during
a fifty over innings.

Speaker 14 (01:34:52):
Yeah, I think the more you can take wickets, the more.

Speaker 24 (01:34:56):
One pressure you put on the opposition, but too, you
make it harder for them to get a really competitive
sort of death stage at the innings at the ends,
because you're asking them lin laya order to do that
rather than top order batsmen that are in. So one
of our key strategies is around continually taking wickets and
if it does mean that we go, we leak a
few more runs earlier in that knowledge that we are

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trying to take wickets, then we're prepared to do that
because we've seen that if you can take early wickets,
it certainly puts more pressure on the opposition.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
One of your most effective bowlers at this tournament has
been Michael Brace. While he's your most economic, always going
for less than four and a half and over, his
bowled is full compliments in pretty much every game he's
picked up wickets as well, including four against Bangladesh. This
is a bloke who really only started taking spin bowling
seriously a few years ago. What have you made of
Michael Brace was emergence as a white ball spinner for

(01:35:50):
you in recent years.

Speaker 24 (01:35:52):
He's done it the last couple of years for us
and probably more in T twenty cricket where at times
he's opened the bowling for us as well and been
a real strength. But I think one of Michael's great
great strengths is his accuracy. He's not and tall, he
gets bounced as well. The Indian players are probably more
a debt than others in playing offspin and we did

(01:36:14):
see that last time, although he went for fifty five
or something like that off his ten, but still bold
pretty well we.

Speaker 14 (01:36:20):
Thought as well.

Speaker 24 (01:36:21):
So there's really five margins, I guess in having success
and not having success at times. But he's been really instrumental,
I think in some of the successes that we've had
throughout this tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Garry, you've been around the game for a long time
as a player and as a coach. You've played alongside
and with many players. You've coached many many players. Where
does rich and Ravendra writ among the New Zealand players
you've seen at his age.

Speaker 14 (01:36:49):
Right up there?

Speaker 24 (01:36:49):
Yeah, there's no doubt he's a very very special talent
and has the ability to with the bat anyway to
score it or run a ball without looking like he's
taking too much risk. And I think when you can
do that, he certainly shows the skill sets that he's
got in his ability to hit all around the ground

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can definitely change a game. But you couple that then
with his ability to bowl left arms spin, and I
think in these conditions there's every chance he could well
take a very big part in the game that's coming
up tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
And as black Caps coach, you've overseen New Zealand at
a World Cup final, the fifty over World Cup Final
twenty nineteen, a Test Championship final, a T twenty World
Cup final. How do you feel ahead of this game
compared to how you remember feeling ahead of those matches.

Speaker 24 (01:37:40):
I think the more you have those experiences, the more
you learn that once it gets into the match, there's
not actually too much you can control. It's rarely up
to the preparation and making sure you've got guys in
good headspace and there's.

Speaker 14 (01:37:55):
A real belief in what we're doing. And I think
throughout this tournament you have seen that.

Speaker 24 (01:37:59):
So look, we'll I guess dot our eyes and cross
our teas tonight at training and make sure everyone's nice
and clear on the role and what we're asking them
to do, and will complete our scouting today of India
and make sure we've got our plans and action of
how we want to play. But once the game starts,
it's really over to the players then, And yeah, you

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cross your fingers and hope that everything you've done has
put them in the right frame of mind to go
out and compete and perform and hopefully get the one
that we're all after.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Well, I won't surprise you to know that there are
a lot of people back here stocking up on coffee
and red ball and whatever it is that keeps them awake,
getting ready for a ten o'clock start tonight to watch
the black Caps and action against India competing for the
ICC Champions Trophy. Gary, from all of us, all the
best to you and the team will be watching through
the night and wish you all the best. Thanks for
taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 14 (01:38:53):
Thanks Bunny Chairs, Thanks Gary, Gary.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Stead, coach of the black Caps, keeping it keeping it
cool and karm as usual. You never get too many
highs and lows from Gary Stead, do you. He's fairly
con in his comments and his analysis ten o'clock tonight. Look,
I think if Matt Henry plays that really really tips

(01:39:17):
the balance back towards the middle. I think we can
all accept that India are favorite, right, I don't think
there's any you know, there's no downside and saying yeah,
their favorite, their favorite. Tab agree. They haven't had to
leave Dubai by the quirk of this draw. They decided no, no,
we're not going to play in Pakistan. The rest of

(01:39:37):
you can. We'll stay put in Dubai, thanks very much.
And they have. But you know we knew that going
in In New Zealand, they've had the chance to travel
around and plany on different kinds of surfaces. This won't
be like Lahore for the semi final, where it was
a batsman's paradise. Whether they get three sixty three sixty
two for six batting first. But almost everybody in this

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New Zealand team with bat ball and in the field
is in form. Look at rach And Revender. He's got
two hundreds and three innings at this tournament, striking it
over a runner ball. Will Young got one hundred in
the first game against Pakistan. Came Williamson got one hundred
the last time out of the back of eighty one

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on a very difficult pitch, the same one or close
to it against India in the last pull match. Tom
Latham got one hundred in the first game, Darryl Mitchell
with some handy runs last time out. Glenn Phillips as
well was Glen Phillips got one hundred and forty odd
runs at seventy in this tournament. He's striking at one
hundred and forty and bowling wise, Matt Henry ten wickets

(01:40:44):
leading wicket take him the whole tournament. Like I say, key,
but then Bracewell and Santna putting the screws on through
those middle overs, both going for less than five and over.
Handy contributions from the likes of Will O'Rourke and if
you need them rch and Revenger and Glen Phillips can
bowl and in the field will Glen Phillips as the

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flag bearer there We could win this game. It's worth
staying up for, as Mitchell Santana said in his pregame
press conference, is worth making your excuses for not being
at work tomorrow. I'll be up ten o'clock tonight and
through the night. Two twenty five news talks A B.
We'll take a break when we come back, we will

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we'll talk domestic cricket. A former international cricketer Tom Bruce,
who this week did something pretty special batting for c
D against Auckland. He scored three hundred and forty five.
Tom Bruce after.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Twenty eight on Weekend Sport. The White Ferans have posted
two hundred and eighty for six and their fifty overs
batting first against Sri Lanka and Nelson. This is the
third and final one day between these two sides. Georgia
plummer a first ever One Day International one hundred, one
hundred and twelve for the Wellington opener off one one
hundred and twenty balls on Tex Pinty. Surely they'll just
give Matt Henry a needle in the shoulder. It's the final,

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for God's sake. They may well do. They may well do.
During the week past, Central Stags cricket captain Tom Bruce
posted the third highest score in New Zealand first class
cricket history three hundred and forty five against Auckland at
Eden Park's Outer Oval, the highest first class score in
New Zealand since nineteen fifty two, when the late great

(01:42:35):
Bert Sutcliffe produced his national record of three hundred and
eighty five. In fact, Burt Sutcliffe is the only person
to score more runs in an innings than Tom Bruce.
He also scored three hundred and fifty five in a
planket shield match in nineteen fifty. Tom Bruce batted for
almost nine and a half hours, his three hundred and
forty five coming off just four hundred and one balls,

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thirty six fours and six six's. Tom Bruce's with us.
Congratulations mate, With the benefit of a couple of days hindsight,
how do you reflect back on this remarkable innings?

Speaker 21 (01:43:07):
Thanks having me. Yeah, yeah, it's all all a bit surrelative. Yeah,
it probably still isn't sunk in. I think maybe, yeah,
maybe once a career is done or end of the season,
I look back and yeah, I'll sort of put it
into context, and I'm obviously pretty proud of the achievement.

Speaker 8 (01:43:24):
I'm proud of the.

Speaker 21 (01:43:26):
Now scored that many runs. So yeah, that's all feeling
a bit surreal at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
I bet you came into what twenty nine for two
then that became seventy five for three? Was your early
intention really just to kind of steady the ship a bit.

Speaker 21 (01:43:41):
Yeah, we obviously we wanted a bowl first as well,
so it was a good toss to lose in the
end there. But yeah, we knew it was a green
wick at and we wanted to make first use of it,
and so we sort of knew as a betting group
that you know, Alkan Bols are going to put it
in some pretty testing areas and test us out there.
Don Yeah, fortunately I was able to get through that
and sort of new once got through my first twenty

(01:44:04):
thirty balls, and yeah, was seen it and was feeling
pretty good. It was just about making sure, you know,
you can stick to your game plan for the long
periods of time and show that discipline, and yeah, fortunately
it Yeah, I was able to do that and tomorrow Earth.
You know, a school like that was just really pleasing,
and you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Got together with a couple of your teammates for really
good partnerships. She had a two hundred and ninety two
with Dane Cleaver for the fourth wicket three hundred and
three with Josh Clarkson for the fifth, both new records
incidentally for the Central Stags. As far as partnerships, are concerned.
How helpful was it to you to be involved in
in such significant long partnerships during your own innings.

Speaker 21 (01:44:44):
Yeah, yeah, the better unit. You always talk about, you know,
building partnerships, you know, with a couple of guys, and
it was awesome to be out a bet with Dane
and Josh for that long and build those partnerships.

Speaker 20 (01:44:56):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:44:56):
Obviously without those guys there and you know, there's there's
selling no way a bit of betle to make three
forty five, so it was really crucial that those guys
got going as well. It just really pleased for them.
Obviously Dane had been the form better for us in
the four days before Christmas, and it was just awesome
that he carried that form on. And obviously Josh had
hadn't played a whole lot of for De Criget before

(01:45:17):
Christmas year was injured, so really stoked for him to
get some quality time in the middle, and both of
them played really mature knocks and it was just awesome
to sort of bounce off them and feed off there
the sort of energy as well in the middle, so
it was awesome. You know, a couple of my good
mates as well, So just really stoked for them to
both be able to get three figures as well.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
You're right there for nine and a half hours. Did
fatigue start to become a factor at any stage?

Speaker 21 (01:45:45):
Not really, No, I think you sort of you just
become accustomed to it. Maybe if it was at the
start of the season and the body is not used
to betting so so long out in the middle, But yeah,
I think once we're in the crux of the season, Yeah,
your body just becomes accustomed to betting. And you know,
fortunately we went running too many tight singles or anything
like that, so there's a few boundaries in between. And yeah,

(01:46:07):
certainly we were able to not become fatigued or give
too many chances.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
I've heard that you gave just two chances in the
entire runnings. I certainly hope for the sake of whoever
dropped them that it wasn't. When you're on about fourteen
or something. What at what stage of the links did
you offer up a couple of you know, a little
snippets of hope to the Auckland side.

Speaker 21 (01:46:31):
Yeah, to be fair, they were pretty tough ones. There
was a leg side stumping off the spinner. I just
sort of lost balance. I was on about forty seven,
I think then, and then there was one when I
was like, I think like a one handed diving the tenth,
so a couple of really tough chances. But yeah, certainly, yeah, yes,

(01:46:56):
I've taken those. Obviously we were having this conversation and yeah,
it wouldn't be wouldn't be where we are now.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
It's funny get a week ago, you probably didn't think
you'd be saying the scene until I gave a chance
when I was on two ninety aclearly not.

Speaker 11 (01:47:11):
Certainly not.

Speaker 21 (01:47:13):
I didn't score too many runs in the first four
four day games before Christmas, so yeah, even even to
be saying I've scored over probably forty, you know, it
would have been really good.

Speaker 7 (01:47:25):
Yeah, very very heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Were you aware of the records you were breaking along
the way?

Speaker 21 (01:47:32):
The only one I knew of was the Central Stags
one the top top run score for them. I knew
Peter Ingram had to record at two forty seven a
few years ago. Ben Smith I was playing for them,
he made two hundred and forty four, and obviously the
guys were talking about how he just missed out on
the record. So I knew that one, but I didn't

(01:47:53):
know anything else of the sorts or any of the
partnership records until the end of the day. So it's
one of those ones you don't really look too much
into those. It sort of just probably happens afterwards. But yeah,
you're pretty cool to be up there. It was the
third third highest and I'm playing at Shield and well

(01:48:13):
first class and New Zeland behind, you know, the legion
that was Bert Cyclist.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
When you get to three hundred and forty odd, do
you start to think about getting four hundred.

Speaker 16 (01:48:26):
Like I was.

Speaker 21 (01:48:27):
I had a few people sort of messaging and saying, no,
you know, you should just keep adding and keep adding
and don't worry about declaring. But we, yeah, you know,
trying to get to four hundred and like, look break
Brian Lar's record or something like that. But no, it
was one of those ones when we were bat in
first we we didn't have a number in mind when
we wanted to declare. But it was probably helpful that

(01:48:48):
I did get out when I did, and we were
just able to clear soon after that, and once Clark
he had got us the seven hundred, So yeah, it
was just fortunately we went from six hundred to seven
hundred pretty quickly, so we were able to get going
and it just sort of and just once we got
seven hundred was yeah the pool plans. So I was

(01:49:08):
always going to be declaring once I got a number,
regardless of what if I was still betting or Clarkey
was still betting.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
So yeah, you mentioned before about the early part of
the season. Yeah, four planket shield matches. He had six
beats for seventy nine runs total. Why was former but
hard to come by with the red ball early in
the in the season.

Speaker 21 (01:49:29):
Yeah, Look, I had just struggled that first part. I
think I was put too much expectations on myself, to
be honest, which then probably hampered Yeah, just my clarity
and decision making out in the middle. So yeah, certainly
I played for a bit more freedom this last innings
and just went back to basics really. So I've got
a pretty simple game turn and a pretty simple technique.

(01:49:50):
So once I sort of stick with that and like
I said, just show discipline and my decision making over
a long periods of time. You know, I know I
can score runs and school and quickly. So yeah, just
back to basics really, But yes, certainly certainly struggled those
first four games, and then it felt like I owed
the team of fifty runs. So like you said, there's

(01:50:10):
seven year runs and six innings, yeah, one and two flash,
So definitely, oh the boys for your runs out.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
There, But then went into the white ball stuff terrific
three hundred and thirty nine runs at fifty six and
striking at one point fifty seven and the super smash
four hundred and thirty four Trophy runs and ten inning striking.
It better than a run a ball. So clearly it's
possible to play yourself into red ball form with the
white ball, is it.

Speaker 11 (01:50:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:50:34):
Absolutely, I think you know, guys sort of chop and
change between white ball and red bull pretty quickly now,
and you have to adapt pretty quickly. So I think
the white ball is really good for the red bull game.
You know, you can get in some really good positions
and play some strong shots, and it's just about doing that,
like I said, for long periods of time the Red Bulls.
So yeah, that's one of the things. I've felt like

(01:50:57):
They've been sparting really well and had a good season
so far other than those first four four day games,
So it's just nice to get out of there. Spin spin,
a real long and long time out there, and yeah,
so it was nice being able to go straight from
white ball straight into red bull and that certainly helped
me the other day.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
It certainly did well. No one can ever take it
away from him, mate, three hundred and forty five. What
in an an xete you do at some stage get
the chance to move out of the surreal stage and
into accepting exactly what you've done, because it's an absolutely
outstanding piece of cricket history.

Speaker 17 (01:51:28):
Time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Congratulations mate, and thanks for taking the time for a chat.
All the best for the rest of the summer.

Speaker 21 (01:51:33):
Thanks very much for having me. Much appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
No great to have you on, Tom Things. Indeed Tom Bruce,
captain of the Central Stags and owner now of the
third highest score in first class cricket in New Zealand history,
three hundred and forty five of just four hundred and
one balls across nine and a half hours betting for
the Central Stags against the Auckland Aces at Eden Park's
Outer Oval during this week past twenty two away from three.

(01:51:56):
Let's get another breakaway. When we come back, we'll get
to christ Church and preview the Crusaders against the Reds
this afternoon to wrap the Super Rugby round. It's a
rare three thirty five Sunday kickoff to look forward to.
Nick Bill is going to join us to preview this
one when we come back here on weekends sporot.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
You be the TMO. Have yours say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ. Guvnerholmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
They'd be just on eighteen away from three on text
from Tim. If Henry is out, I would play Nathan
Smith and I would drop O'Rourke and play Conway. That
will be a strong batting lineup, thanks Timmy. I've heard
it suggested that they may bring Mark Chapman and as
an extra batter. I think would be him rather than Conway.
You know, Chapman might be have a bit more about

(01:52:46):
him in the middle order. I think they'll be absolutely
hoping that Matt Henry is still okay to play. I
guess we'll find out a little bit later on. Let's
get you to christ Church, where the hardest working man
in broadcasting is joining us. Look don't laugh, mate, of
look I everywhere I turn and look and listen this weekend,
I hear the voice of Nick Beuley. How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Oh you poor thing? Yeah, No, I'm going okay, mate,
I'm going okay.

Speaker 10 (01:53:12):
Yeah, I'm back back where I belong in an authoritati
christ Church. And yeah, there's a great couple of days
down there and Anita know the Track and Field National Championships.
As you know, Piney still on going last day today,
but I've relinquished my athletics duties and have assumed my
well customary position out Apollo Projects, saying him in christ Church.

(01:53:32):
We don't get much Sunday afternoon footing down these parts,
so it's pretty exciting. We've just come off the back
of a very good Mutt to two when over your
Hurricanes power twenty nine points to seven to set the tone,
and yeah, now built towards.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Crusader's Reds to close out what's just.

Speaker 10 (01:53:49):
Been a remarkable another remarkable week of Super Rugby Pacific.
When you think the Blues losing the Chiefs the Canes.
Did I mentioned the Canes lost, Piney.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna say I was hoping to gloss over
the Hurricanes and the Hurricanes power actually, but then I'm
actually a little bit worried that you'll mention the phoenix,
but we can maybe leave that off to one side
as well. You're right though, it has been a terrific
weekend of Super Rugby with upsets along the way. What
chance another one this afternoon? The Reds they could beat
the Crusaders, couldn't they.

Speaker 10 (01:54:18):
Well, I'll put that back to you. What would you
consider an ups yet? Because this is a Reds team
brimming with confidence. They've won their opening two fixtures. They
know what it takes to win here at this very venue.
They did it in May of last year, albeit that
was the first time in quarter of a century. And
this is a Crusaders team that haven't played for sixteen

(01:54:40):
days and the last time they played they were belted,
you know, they shipped forty nine points by you know,
a very good Chiefs team.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
So I actually did glance at the tab.

Speaker 10 (01:54:49):
Odds before and I saw that the Reds are out
to three dollars Eightien thought, gee, is if you're looking
for a bit of value on a Sunday afternoon, gamble responsibly.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
But look, it is a fascinating contest.

Speaker 10 (01:54:59):
I think I don't think the Crusader's are runaway favorites
and we might have a situation. I think I saw
it was at Rugby Data, but the great guys there
do that work on social media saying it might be
the first time and well over a decade that the
Foundation New Zealand side's involved in a round of Super Rugby.
If the Crusaders do lose, you know, it hasn't happened
for over a decade that none of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Them have won.

Speaker 10 (01:55:22):
Yes, incredibly staggering, but look, I am intrigued to see
how the Crusaders bounced back your You know, it is curious,
particularly after a bye so long to think about that
loss against the Chiefs. They are restored by one of
their best with Cody Taylor at hooker and a change
there in the midfield too, which I feel like did
have to be made with Dallas McLeod now starting Levi L.
Miller can bring a bit of and packed off the bench.

(01:55:43):
So look, I think they'll be itching to go. Crusaders
need to sort their starts. It's been another r Kelles Hill.
But look as a beautiful date out here Piney, no
excuses in terms of conditions, should be perfect for running rugby.
Between two very good teams.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
Just in your first five position there, Taher Kamada has
been given the keys to the car in the teen
jumper and will again this afternoon. Do you think there's
any temtion for James O'Connor to at some stage get
a start at ten?

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 10 (01:56:12):
And I put that question to James O'Connor earlier in
the week. You know, this is a guy who's been
around for well half his life. He's played professional rugby,
including against this team he goes up against this afternoon
of the Queensland Reds, but he doesn't want to consider
himself as a closer. Yes he can do it, but
he's putting a lot of pressure on young Tahakim at
a good pressure, you know, good competitive pressure in and

(01:56:36):
around the training during the week, as is Rivers. Rahana
too's just coming back from an injury and allowing the
Rob Pennies and the James Marshalls to make the decision
about their best balance.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
But as we're seeing so much piney, particularly this season,
it is.

Speaker 10 (01:56:49):
A twenty three und game and look at the Chiefs,
you know, all going down to the drawer in love
Tokyo yesterday. But their use of the bench, particularly against
the Crusaders.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
A fortnight ago.

Speaker 10 (01:56:59):
You know they've got that balance bang on and so O'Connor, Yep,
he'll come off the bench today. Will be interesting to
see when he's introduced, because he came in and around
that fifty minute mark against the Chiefs and try to
force it a little bit too much and that's when
it went all pear shapes. But I can see a
scenario to answer your question, particularly if the results start
to go not the way that the Crusaders want, that

(01:57:21):
they'll turn to O'Connor and the ten jumper.

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
You talked about the change in midfield as well, where
Dallas McLeod's come into the thirteen jumper. Levi ol Moore
has dropped down to the bench and our more played
well most games at center last year for the Crusaders.
I think when he arrived, everybody was talking about how
this would be the step towards a black jersey for
Levi Almoor. It hasn't happened at all in the way
I'm sure he or the Crusaders would have hoped. What

(01:57:46):
have you made of his time at the Crusaders and
can he get back to that more on a pacifica
form which had him been talked about as a potential
All Black.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
To be honest, probably I can't see it. I can't
see it now.

Speaker 10 (01:57:58):
And one of the other reasons too, is that the
strength and depth in the Crusader's midfield is not an
issue at all. Brandon in or did it play any
rugby for the Crusaders last year due to an acel injury,
also picked up a broken wrist in the preseason this year.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
He's now declared fit.

Speaker 10 (01:58:14):
They've decided to give him one more week, But all
being equal, Brandon l will be the starting outside center
from perhaps next week onwards, unless Dallas McLeod or Levi
Miller have a big game here this afternoon. So for
whatever reason, and of course it wasn't just Levi O.
Millow had a bad year in twenty twenty four. The

(01:58:34):
wheels well and truly fell off the Crusaders the season
just being and not making the finals. But it just
hasn't clicked. And I'm not sure if that's solely on
the way he's been used. They tried to use him
as a battering ram. They're unable to get that go forward.
He does tend to tire and get that fatiguing around
the fifty minute to our mark.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
So for whatever reason, it just hasn't clicked for Levi.

Speaker 10 (01:58:57):
Now he's got a new role, maybe he can recreate
himself as a knowing that all you know, if there's
no injuries in the midfield, he comes on with twenty
to go, you know, a full tank, and he can
just go full steam ahead. I personally hope. So I
like what level can do. We've seen it for Tasman,
seen it from Oner Pacific and there's a very good
rugby player there. But it's just about unlocking that in
a Crusader's jumper, because if it doesn't happen, there's certainly

(01:59:20):
a scenario Pinety that he doesn't make it twenty three
going forward with McLeod potentially a backup option because they're
not going to demote their captain and David Harville, who's
occupying the twelve jumper.

Speaker 3 (01:59:31):
How are Crusaders fans feeling at the moment, A nervous,
a little bit apprehensive.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
I think there is the general theme in and around
these parts.

Speaker 10 (01:59:43):
I think they ought to be encouraged because of the
players that they have at their disposal at this point
of the year compared to this time last year. You know,
talking about Cody Taylor who took that non playing sabbatic,
or he's back. They've got will Jordan, you know, who
is world class from the jump at fullback. But there
is question mark still there, particularly around first five. And

(02:00:06):
also you know Noah Host them going down as a
loss at half back. Yep, they've picked up Kyle Preston
and he's you know, hat trick on debut is nothing
to be sneezed at, but he's still an unknown commodity
at super rugby level. But look, I think, you know,
particularly the format of this competition, six teams making the
finals from the eleven they ought to be there at

(02:00:29):
the business end, there is a lot of all black power.
You know, you just look up front to Mighty Williams,
Cody Taylor, Fletcher Newell. It's all black front row, Scott
Barrett in the second row, Blackadder, Grace Leo Willie and
the loose Ford trio. And this team has to be
making finals for anything else as a failure. So look,
I think there's there's nervousness, but it's these games here,

(02:00:51):
particularly at home and against Ossie opposition one of the
other stats that really jumped out to me two point
into the preparation for this game, the Crusaders have lost
five of their last six games against Australian teams and
the record prior to that was something like that one
third five of the previous thirty seven through the race regime.
So they got to these are the wins they've got

(02:01:12):
to bag. That's not been dismissive of the Aussie teams.
They're certainly better this year, but at home in particular,
they need to beat the Reds and just restore a
bit of faith that this is a Crusaders team that
can compete in super apriate.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
Al Right, it's ten to three. I know you want
to jump off because you want to get on the
live stream and watch the men's fifteen hundred meter final
from Dunedin with the two SAMs Tanner and Ruth before
you go. Can Sam Ruth get on the ponim here
he can come?

Speaker 10 (02:01:35):
He yeah, for me, he should finish second and just
just keep an eye on the time. Two three point
forty one at the Sir Graham Douglas International. That was
a world lead for any fifteen year old ever. That
record was previously old by yak of Ingebritson, who's gone
on to be an Olympic champion. This kid, you know,

(02:01:56):
I hate to get too excited. He's fifteen years of age.
What is that form five? But he is something special
and yeah, just just enjoy you do if you have time,
get on that Athletics live stream right now and enjoy
the fifteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Sam Tanna should win it.

Speaker 10 (02:02:10):
But Sam Ruth and those Wacato BeO plenty colors as
well as a talent we're going to be talking about
for the best part of a decatter at least.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
Good to have you turning people away from my radio show.
Next thanks mate, it's Chalking of gouality, tasking pity Joe mate,
great work mate, call well this afternoon and thanks for
joining us in the middle of a very busy weekend
for you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:32):
No, thank you. It's always a pleasure to jump on.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
Piney you go well you too, mate, Nick Dearly our
man in Christy are fresh from his time in duned
and covering the National Track and Field Champs and now
about to get on the mic as part of our
coverage of Super Rugby Pacific. You can Handnick in the
team on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio. When the Crusaders kick
off against the Reds at three point thirty five, eight
away from three News, talks in me.

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
From the track fields and hand the courts on your
home of Sport. Weekend Sport with Jason vine Us talks
INB five to three. Hey, that is us on Weekend
Sport for today and for another weekend. Thank you so
much for joining us.

Speaker 3 (02:03:10):
Tim Beveridge is with you after three o'clock with the
Weekend Collective Sunday Edition. Massive thanks to any McDonald for
producing the shows. Always enjoy the rest of your afternoon, mate,
And as far as an exit song is concerned, well,
I've been thinking about the black Caps and India in
tonight's champions Trophy and the pivotal role that rich and
Ravendra might play in this game. Rech And Ravendral was

(02:03:32):
born in November nineteen ninety nine. When he entered the world,
this was the number one song in New Zealand. It's
a tenuous link, I know, but it's what I've chosen,
taking us out lou Baga and Mamba number five. You
enjoyed the rest of your Sunday. Come on the black Caps.
We'll see him right on Sports Talk.

Speaker 4 (02:03:52):
A little better, reeders all, I need a little better
Tina's what I see.

Speaker 2 (02:03:57):
A little beta.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
Sandra, then in the.

Speaker 23 (02:03:59):
Sun, and then a better.

Speaker 3 (02:04:01):
Married on Night Long an Jess rutting there right now.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Better you makes me your man.

Speaker 3 (02:04:12):
Mo and the Vata bird like you. You can't run,
you can't hide, you and me gone.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
Such this guy.

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
Mumbo number fact.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
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