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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Big names, the big issues, the big controversies and the
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Gotting it up Tonon. Welcome into the Sunday edition of
Weekend Sport on News Talks ed B. May twenty five,
Happy birthday, Johnny Wilkinson. I'm Jason Pine Show producer Andy McDonald.
Did anyone see this coming?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
There's just too many cries on my sheet to go
through and name them all, but thirty one dollar a
halftime eighty five to seven at full.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Time Chiefs eighty five to seven over Mowana Pacifica. Did
anyone see this coming?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
On the right?

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Old Furrence and mcgabe posher, What.

Speaker 6 (00:55):
Man we Club?

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Seven tries for the greatest Saver do its great trip boards?
Hey gets New Zealand thirteenth of the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Seven tries for Porsche Woodman Workcliff. Did anyone see this coming?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
No victory?

Speaker 7 (01:15):
He trust party. Auckland FC's remarkable, record breaking first season
will not hand a grand.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Finale, Aukland FC falling two NILD and Melbourne victory last
night out of go media missing the A League Grand Final.
Going to cover off these things for you today and
take your reaction. Roger Randall out of the Chiefs, Paul
Eifel on the football, as well as the very blunt
post match thoughts of Auckland FC coach Steve carikout and
the postgame thoughts of Poorsche Woodman Wickcliffe, who is now

(01:45):
the all time leading Black Ferns try scorer. Meantime, my
best qualifying effort of the Formula One season for Liam
Lawson ahead of tomorrow morning's Monico Grand Prix. He reached
the third and final phase of qualifying eventually secured ninth
on the grid for the race tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (02:02):
Coming into the weekend, I think I would have been
happy with Q three, but the car's been pretty quick,
especially P three, we were very strong.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
The race is at one o'clock tomorrow morning. I am
reliably informed this is the single most difficult track to
overtake on in motorsports, so if you're ninth on the grid,
surely your chances are finishing ninth are pretty good. This
year they have added rules again, I'm reliably informed that
you have to do a second pit stop and use

(02:31):
a third different tire compound as a means of trying
to make it more competitive. If you can't pass, they've
got to try and equalize things up or create a
bit of excitement somehow. So one o'clock tomorrow morning, Liam
Lawson from ninth on the grid at the Monaco Grand
Prix leading us off today, though former Warrior turned fashion
designer Louis Brown he's going to join us in studio

(02:53):
ahead of tonight's clash with the Raiders at Go Media Stadium.
Louis Brown has designed a special jersey which the team
will wear proudly tonight. We'll find out more about that
and your pre thoughts. Warriors fans. Can your team go
joint top of the table with a sixth straight win tonight, Well,
of course they can, But how confident are you that

(03:17):
they will?

Speaker 9 (03:18):
Are?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
The matters around today? The iconic Indianapolis five hundred tomorrow
morning might have brought journo Jack Benyon going to preview
that for US International Paralympic Committee President Andrew Parsons has
been in New Zealand since the middle of last week,
He's in for a chat coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith on
how best to coach a REP team bringing players together

(03:40):
from different teams like State of Origin or the British
and Irish Lions. James mcconey in studio for his regular
slot Today Live Sport. While we're on the air, the
NBA Finals continue Game three of the Western Conference Finals,
Oklahoma City Thunder Minnesota Timberwolves in Minneapolis. Twelve thirty tip
off on this one. Oka. See are two nill ahead

(04:03):
in this series and looking to take what would be
a very very difficult lead to peg back in Minneapolis.
The Timberwolves probably have to win this one and then
I guess roll the dice for the rest of the series. Okay, see,
I think it's our favorites to win the whole thing.
So twelve thirty kicker tip off in that one. Will
keep eyes on it. Please join us if you would

(04:24):
like to our numbers. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,
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Speaker 1 (04:35):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the s morning
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Speaker 2 (04:42):
They call always hundred and eighty eighty News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Big Game at at Mount Smart, Go Media Mount Smart.
This evening, six o'clock Warriors Raiders. The Warriors can go
joint top of the table with a win tonight, which
would be their sixth on the trot. The first thing
you'll notice when the Warriors run out tonight is their
playing strip. They're going to wear these specially designed Deer
Warrior jersey. It's a tribute to the paths taken by players,

(05:09):
staff members and fans who find their way into the
Warrior's fano, acknowledging the fact that everybody's journey to the
jersey is different now. The jersey sold out in just
nine minutes at last week's launch and was designed by
former Warrior Number one five to one turned fashion entrepreneur Louis.

Speaker 10 (05:29):
Brown and Mandering looks at the time line manure with
superstring from the Law.

Speaker 11 (05:35):
Body, his Hell played.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Back to Lost and Lockgos running back, and then gets.

Speaker 12 (05:41):
The path to conson Johnson's still going dubs again. Go
to the store, he Warrious with the grand final Searl.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Johnson take a pound our Great Memories from twenty eleven.
Louis Brown is in studio with us. Great to see
Eloie Congrants on the jersey made it looks absolutely superb.
How did you come up with a design?

Speaker 13 (06:07):
Thanks for having me, Jason, and and thank you for
the kind words.

Speaker 14 (06:11):
Yeah, it sort of goes back to when I was
an eight year old Jason received a received the letter
in the mail and from the from the Warriors called
Dear Warrior. This was a ninety four obviously before the
team had actually entered the competition. So you know, at
the age I wanted to become a professional rugby league player.
So to be able to get letter that day, maybe

(06:32):
Phil made me feel real connected to the club and
and and then that's where the dream sort of became,
you know, sort of become from there become to become
a Warrior. And obviously in two thousand and nine I
got to represent the club and and and you know
go on to play eighty four games. But to be
able to come back to the club in a different
way and to be able to do this Warrior.

Speaker 13 (06:50):
This this jersey, this special jursey called.

Speaker 14 (06:52):
Dear Warrior, and and kind of you know, kind of
tell the story of a young boy wanted to become
become a Warrior and going on a path from a
from the grassroots rugby league, you know, Arena.

Speaker 13 (07:03):
It's an amazing story.

Speaker 14 (07:05):
So I really really thankful for the club and to
get reconnected to the game but also reconnected to the club.

Speaker 13 (07:11):
I can't wait for the boys to run out tonight.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Brilliant. So when you're designing a jersey, man, that seems
like a big job to me. You know, you talked
about the connection and what you wanted to portray through
the jersey, but what is the process in physically designing it.

Speaker 13 (07:25):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 14 (07:26):
It was basically I met up with the club and
obviously Dynasty, Tyler from Dynasty, they'd be massive as well
for help for me, and we got together and well,
first of all, it was going to be a Vegas jersey,
and then it was going to get well, then it
looked like it was going to be a Christ's jumper.
Then basically Tyler and the Warriors said to me, listen,
we're going to give the keys to the car just
to basically.

Speaker 13 (07:46):
Do your own jersey.

Speaker 14 (07:47):
So I wanted to go off and do a process
and and sort of like dive back into any references
that I had that could basically represent this jersey and
could be the core of this jumper, and and I thought,
no better, what better way to do it than than
through a letter that I received as a young eight
year old. And and then you know, to be able
to dive back into a full circle moment. So the
process was really exciting, to be honest with you, but

(08:09):
you know, to sort of come up with a color
scheme that I did. I know that it wasn't going
to please everyone, but my favorite jersey that I played
and was the Eden Park jersey. So to be able
to dive back into that and then also to also
make it black because of you know, my heritage runs
back to the Chatham Islands and obviously the black robin
was close to extinction extinction in the eighties and my grandfather,

(08:31):
who got me into rugby league, really spoke about that
and adversity their face. And then in the two thousands
that found itself with three hundred. So the black represents
obviously the adversity and you know, the tough roads and
the ebbs and flows of a journey of going towards
the dream and a pathway, and you know, so to
be able to do the process and then also put

(08:52):
the jersey on the grip and then slowly, you know,
put the light gray through it. What represents the pathways
of not just only grassroots rugby league rugby league players,
but also the people that work in the canteen, the
people that you work at the park on a Saturday
that turn up for trainings, the parents that have been
on the journey with the young kids that have gone
on to live their dream. So I'm really excited about
the jersey. We're looking for a blackout tonight in the

(09:14):
stadium and to see the boys run out out in it.
It's going to be truly special and it's going to
be obviously a full circle moment and a dream come true.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Jayson outstanding, Louis. As you're designing it, you know, and
because I mean, I'm sure you have sort of different
drafts and different sort of ideas. And do you have
people you show your early designs too, even some of
the players to get their reaction or is it really
just you?

Speaker 13 (09:38):
This time, I had a small crew.

Speaker 14 (09:40):
I've just me and my colleague from Earl's collection that's
my clothing and the brand that I own, and and
we sort of just come up with a concept and
kind of kept it close to our chest, and you know,
then we obviously did a warm up jersey as well,
so like that was that was the fun part of
it that I based that off my one of my
favorite jerseys as a kid, and that's the ninety seven

(10:01):
the Warriors jersey. So you know, to be able to
do that and sort of come up with yourself and
and kind of test yourself at the same time and
see the growth that you can you can take through
that process, it's pretty special. But I think to be
able to get it sold out in nine minutes and
just the reception that it's had around the jersey, that's.

Speaker 13 (10:18):
Kind of the cherry on top.

Speaker 14 (10:19):
And then you know they have the hopefully the boys
can get the two points tonight and it'll make it
a super super special an event for not just myself
but the club. You know, they bringing back an old
boy and putting faith in them to be able to
execute a nice piece of art. And you know that's
what this jersey I feel like is is a piece
of art, you know what I mean. So full credit
to the club as well, and we're breaking down barriers.

(10:41):
Is the first time that that ex player has come
back to a certain club, and and and and created
an actual jumper for them for their their first grade
team to play.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
How did the move into fashion after your playing days
come about.

Speaker 14 (10:55):
Yeah, I've always been into fashion, into shoes, and I
promise myself that, you know, if I could live one dream,
why can't I live another? And so I just applied
myself through myself and the deep end. You know, sometimes
it's the best way to do it. You have a
single you swim and I swam for life mate. So
you know, six six years, six years later, it's going well,
and you know, to be able to, you know, live

(11:15):
one career, you know, a totally different one in sport,
and then be able to sort of go off and
do a passion that has always been like a massive
passion of mine. It's sort of like the same process
as rugby league, but I'm finding myself doing it at
a later, lotter time and later stage in my life.
So really enjoying it, really enjoying growing as a human
and learning so much about myself and learning more than

(11:39):
who Louis Brown is.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Without regular league, you played eighty four games for the
Warriors twenty and nine to twenty twelve. Let's talk about
Louis Brown, the rugby league player. How fondly do you
remember your days in a Warrior's jersey?

Speaker 9 (11:51):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (11:51):
Mate, that was that was That's home for me. That
will like you know, obviously go Meetia Stone Mount Smart,
It'll always be home for me. Made and you know,
to to present the jersey this week to the boys
and go back there, and it just I felt like
a young twenty one year old agame walking through those doors.
And you know, you even to see Stace, Stacy Jones,
who is my idol. He's on the coaching staff and

(12:11):
I was fortunate enough to play with Stace and to
see him there and see some of the old staff
they're still and the way the club is at the moment,
the way the boys are playing.

Speaker 13 (12:20):
It was really really special when.

Speaker 14 (12:22):
It was such a special club to me, and I'm
so thankful for them to be able to, you know,
reconnect me to the game, but to be able to
reconnect to the game through the club that I love
the most and a cool family. Yes, it's a truly
special moment.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Of course, your time there, well, during your time there,
the wonderful twenty eleven season when the Warriors made the
Grand Final. Can I ask you about the Grand Final
qualifier against the Storm and Melbourne. You scored a try
which was just allowed for a knock on, then scored
one which did count, Sewan Johnson's dazzling footwork setting it up.
How special a try and a day was that for you?

Speaker 13 (12:57):
Oh? So special?

Speaker 14 (12:58):
Like you know, anytime you can get, you go into
a game as a pure, pure underdog, like no one
gave us a hope in hell that day, like we were.
We were basically beat. It was really going to be
a manly Melbourne final, you know. Obviously the Broncos had
played the night before against Manly and and it was
really going to be a manly, manly Melbourne final. So
to be able to go down there and spoil the
party and and and just basically catch the ball or

(13:22):
Sewan and put it down. He did all the fancy work.
But it was special, mate, Like you know, to play
in a Grand Final. I always thought I'd go back
there again, but you don't. That's just stir the reality
of sports sometimes. But you know, I always thank Sean
because you know, sometimes in September and October over and
it keeps me a bit relevant.

Speaker 10 (13:37):
Bro.

Speaker 14 (13:37):
We see that that that that that try is always
popping up, so I always always remind Hi, thanks Bro,
thanks for keeping my face on the screen somehow.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I love it. And you mentioned before when you had
time at the Panthers and Manly as well. But does
the Warriors feel like your home, your natural home, your
spiritual home?

Speaker 14 (13:54):
Oh, spiritually natural home. I think you know the universe.
I'm a big believer in the universe, Jason. You know,
at the end of the day, they brought me home
to get reconnected to the game and reconnected to the
club that I love the most. And there's a reason
why my mum kept that letter from nineteen ninety four,
and you know it's all part of this full circle

(14:15):
moment that that's about to take place tonight.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
And just on the Warriors of twenty twenty five, eight wins,
two losses, second on the table. What's impression the most
about the way they're going about things so far in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 14 (14:28):
There's a lot of things that are making me really happy. Obviously,
Resilience is a word that's I hear come out of
a lot of people's mouths about the team currently. Obviously,
they've really got a tough underbelly that their defense, they're
really turning up for each other. But I'm just like
the way that they play the game, they look so happy,
they look like they're having fun with each other. The

(14:48):
way that they have a tough underbelly, they're very very
strong in terms of the keen to roll up their
sleeve to do the one percentage to get themselves to
a platform for themselves to actually give themselves a chance
to win the game. That you know, that's something like
the kick chase, you know, the way they defend, it's
it's an awesome way to see a DNA of a
team unfold like that. And it's whereby s third year
and I really feel like it's we're starting to see

(15:10):
the effects of his coaching really starting to like come
through through the footy.

Speaker 13 (15:13):
And I'm just.

Speaker 14 (15:14):
Excited for the club, excited for we be excited for
the boys, and and just also seeing the the young
boys buying in as well. You know, usually a successful
team's driven by the experienced boys, but there's got to
be buying from the young kids too. And and you know,
being around the club the week this week, the you know,
the attitude these young kids have. They're so professional, they're
so respectful, hard working, the humble. You know, anytime you

(15:37):
can mix that with some good experience, an amazing experience
corps of players and a great coach and a great
club and a great fan membership and a great home ground,
anytime you sell that at made as a recipe for
good things.

Speaker 13 (15:51):
So hopefully this year can be a year for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And you played, I think with a young Luke Metcalf
when you're at Manly, he was at Blacktown I think
the feeder club into Manly even as what what do
you mean seventeen eighteen years old? Did you see his
promise back then?

Speaker 14 (16:04):
Yeah, seen his promised back then. I've always spoken about
how highly I've rated Luki. I I was fortunate enough
to play with him at the Blacktown Breathers and you know,
back into my career, and he was a young nineteen
year old, eighteen year old, I think, and the the
pure raw talent that he possessed back then is something
that we're still seeing now. And I feel like we're

(16:25):
sort of also seeing Luki really mature as a player.
He's such a footy nerd and he always has been.
And you want that from me number seven. He's got
X factor, he's got the speed, and you know, he's like,
I think he's slowly finding that balance of how to
control the game but also put his X factor in
a game, which is a hard thing to do when
you're trying to you're trying to put your team in

(16:47):
that around, especially in your first year as a seven.
So I really feel like he's finding that balance quite
quickly and he's going to be the master of that
very soon.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Do you Warrior the jersey, Lowie. It's an absolute cracker, mate,
Congratulations on it. I can't wait to see the boys
wearing it with pride tonight against the Raiders. Thanks for
stopping it on your way to the ground, mate.

Speaker 13 (17:05):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 14 (17:06):
Jay just quick shut to a Moment's a birthday today too,
so happy birthday man.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Happy birthday Missus Brown. Good on you mate, Thanks for
coming in Mini, Happy returns to your month. What a
top man. Louis Brown, former Warrior fashion designer. I'll be
wearing the Deer Warrior strip tonight, which is you've probably
seen photos of it. It's, as Louis outlined, a dark
strip and you can do more reading about it on

(17:32):
the Warrior's website. But what's going to happen on the
grass when those men wear those jerseys out on to
go media tonight? Warriors fans, can I just read your
pulse on this?

Speaker 15 (17:42):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? I feel confident?

Speaker 16 (17:46):
I do?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I mean? And why wouldn't you feel confident when your
teams are won five straight matches? But then you look
at a couple of factors that perhaps put a bit
of a dent in your confidence, sort of start swinging
you towards possible pessimism. How big?

Speaker 13 (18:02):
Tell me this?

Speaker 3 (18:02):
How big is the absence of the Warriors too? Co
captains tonight? As soon as you say it, it seems massive.

Speaker 13 (18:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Take out the two men and the team who have
been handed the official leadership, and any team is going
to suffer as a result. No James Fisher, Harris suspended,
No Mitch Barnett state of origin. Clearly a blow, a
double blow. But then I look at this team and

(18:30):
I look around it, and I see other leaders in
that team. Kurt Capewell, He's going to be the captain tonight,
Roger Tuiy varsaschek Wade Egan, Adam Pompey over one hundred
NRL games, Aaron Clark over one hundred NRL games, and
the Raiders themselves are without their influential back rower Hudson Young,

(18:51):
who's on origin duty as well, so they're a man down.

Speaker 13 (18:54):
Two.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
The Raiders do know, though, a couple of things. One
they had the Warrior's number in Vegas, and two that
they will go second if they win tonight, equal on
points with the Warriors, but with a better point stiff.
They also will have played one more game, So against
that backdrop, How confident are you about tonight? Anything you

(19:16):
want to put on the table to help us flesh
out our our levels of optimism eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty nine two nine two if we would prefer
to text us in BJ How are you feeling about tonight?

Speaker 17 (19:31):
Here you go, mate, A little bit nervous, but at
the same time it's kind of good because the Warriors
are going real under the radar, in the coach, in
the counchy. At the moment, I feel like, not like
a couple of years ago when the whole country got
behind them and there all.

Speaker 18 (19:45):
That precious sort of built up on them.

Speaker 17 (19:47):
It's sort of not being watched and they seem to
go well not being watched like that, so hopefully get
done with the raid of there flying.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Too right, Yep they are. I think you're right BJ
about the Warriors, because you're right. The twenty twenty three
up the Wars was just a national frenzy, wasn't it,
particular at the back end of the season. You're right,
I mean everyone's going, hey, Warriors are going well, five wins,
that's great. I mean, you know, up to second and stuff.
But you're right, I don't sense the same frantic, chaotic

(20:17):
frenzy around them at the moment, which is probably, as
you say, quite a good thing.

Speaker 17 (20:22):
Well, I sialat those guys that you've missed the bility.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
They aren't going to be playing for us that have
been so good.

Speaker 17 (20:30):
And you know, you don't see the Warriors dudess go
around in the public that you wouldn't normally see anyway,
so they starts showing up. I started to get a
bit warrior, you know what I mean. They keep talking
about Super Rugby on the news in the Warriors and began.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well, unfortunately, BJ, if they keep winning, it's going to
be inevitable, isn't it. If they keep on winn if
they beat the Raiders tonight, if they continue on their
winning way, they've got quite a tough little little stretch
coming up. As you probably know. The Raiders then of
course await the rabbit. O's away at the Sharks and
home to the Panthers, who I guess are not the
Panthers of old. Even so so, I reckon, if we
get to the next month and they're still going and
ato double figure wins on the trot, it might be inevitable,

(21:10):
mate deaf.

Speaker 17 (21:11):
They really the sneaks from state of Ogin. They really
need to win more than they lose and sort of
get a bit of a pub on the rest of
the competition while the while the other teams, we've got
good players there, but you know, the Warriors.

Speaker 18 (21:25):
We'll see, We'll.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Hope, we'll see, we'll hope enjoy the game.

Speaker 10 (21:28):
VJ.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Thanks for calling in, mate, ye mate, go on, dude,
you have a good one to eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is our number, twelve twenty eight. If you
want to comment on the Warriors, we'll talk football before
one o'clock as well. Relive Unpacked last night's Last night's
agonizing loss by Auckland FC to Melbourne Victory actually organizing.
As I said that word, that's not the right word.
It wasn't an agonizing loss. It was a loss. It

(21:51):
was a deflating loss. Melbourne Victory were good last night.
They were they were very good. Anyway, before I start
giving you any more analysis about there, at least talk
about more Warriors for a while. I eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty back with your calls after.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
This The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain and GJ. Gunner Homes New
Zealand's most trusted home Builder News twenty.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Eight to one. All right, Paul, I'm please you've called
always enjoy your pre and postmatch Warriors analysis. How are
you feeling?

Speaker 19 (22:24):
Yeah, optimus optimist. I'm an optimist, but I'm nervous mate,
So yeah, I just want to say the Auckland FC,
you know, to get that far in your first year,
it's pretty amazing, mate, So you know, well done to
them and I think they can hold you the heads
up high and that field last night looks pretty amazing.

(22:47):
Do they cut the grass short for football? Or is
it because it looked really really really short.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah they do. If there was no football
on it, they wouldn't cut it as short. If it
was just league on there, they'd have it a bit longer.
But yeah, and I mean I had a bit of
a wonder on the pitch after the game actually as
they were Yeah, they were spraying the lines away, taking
the football post down, putting the right leg ones up,
just to check on this starf of it's pristine. They
do a great job out there. Nothing wrong with the
playing surface at go media.

Speaker 19 (23:11):
Oh brilliant.

Speaker 13 (23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (23:12):
Fortunately I won't be there today. I've got something else on,
which is a real shame. But yeah, just on the
two missing captains, you've got to remember that, you know,
we were winning without for Sheer Harris when he was injured,
so that won't be such a I mean we're obviously
a better team with both of them on the field,
but hopefully the replacements Bunty can step up. Jackson Ford's

(23:32):
impressed me, prop and I think Kirk Caple is stepping
into the captain's role. You know, he's an Origin and
Australian player, so he'll have the guys up. It's going
to be a massive occasion obviously, when the New Jersey
and when the lights go out and they're running out,
it's going to be what an atmosphere?

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Do you like Roger Toybasischek on the wing? Are you
a fan of that?

Speaker 20 (23:52):
I'm a fan of Roger and he were in the
field as long as it says no one better that
can take his place, and I think he deserves to
be there. He's got a ton of experiences, you know,
and he still has it. So yeah, I'm there. I'd
break to see how you leave a Towell beck on
the side. You know, him and Adam poine P I
think will be a great combination. I think across the park.

(24:14):
You know, we've got an awesome bench.

Speaker 16 (24:16):
We should get.

Speaker 20 (24:17):
Get it done today.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
But as I.

Speaker 20 (24:19):
Said before, I am nervous because Camera are a good team.
They're a very very good teams. They've only got one
player out to Origin and they're pretty stacked as you know,
Papaly got Origin players, internationals, riddle throughout that side. But
it's going to be one hell of a match made
and I don't care if we win by one point. Yeah,

(24:39):
I think we'll get it done today mate.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, I tend to agree pull. I think it'll be
similar to what they've been doing winning the tight ones.
And even though it's probably not good for our fing
of oils and the coaches are heart rate, you get
across the line any any way, you can enjoy your
day made always good chatting league with you.

Speaker 19 (24:53):
Yeah, thanks pointing you're on your.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Paul chairs mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our number, Lyle, how are you feeling about tonight
or are you you know, are you a Warriors fan
or not?

Speaker 15 (25:02):
Actually almost how Sydney fan? But I've got a lot
of friends and relatives. The Warriors supporters always like to
put me to boll board, which is not always appreciated,
but I'm nothing if not honest.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Look, Paul took the words.

Speaker 15 (25:16):
Right, and I met with no disrespect to Fisher Harris.
They've been winning without him with the exception of the
last week, and he could have just about cost them
the game. Had that ball bounced in at the end,
the Dolphins probably would have got the bacon. They've been winning,
and they've been winning the tight ones, but psychologically and
physically it does take a toll on the body. I

(25:39):
think they're really going to miss Barnet tonight, I got
my home crowded, but I think Camber. Hopefully I'm wrong,
but I think Camber will get the money. My view,
I did tip the Dolphins to get the money last
week and ten minutes ago Warriors are up by sixteen. No,
I thought, obviously I'm talking out and me behind.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
But well they almost got there. They almost did.

Speaker 15 (26:03):
They the home crowd and everything. But what I think
I've said to you before this part of the season,
you can't win a championship, but you can certainly lose it.
So even if they get out tonight with a drawer
and the point each, as long as they're banking something
and the key is brought them to peak at the

(26:24):
right end of the season, have everyone available. Canterbury and
other clubs are looking at Melbourne with the exception of
a couple of games, are looking very very impressive. Melvin
probably keep it up, but Canterbury I don't know, because
you know, you can only play to a certain level
for so long. So it's about getting into the finals,

(26:45):
getting a reasonable vision and taking it from there. Because
if you make the Grand Final, anything can happen on
the day, you know, like Awk on the Sea you've
been playing well all season and everything. I thought they'd
get the job done last night. But you know, as
I made of mind said, shit happens, and unfortunately it
did last night. Urcal left Sea but no, so I

(27:07):
think it'll be a very close game. Having said that,
if the Warriors will win or won't be surprised.

Speaker 18 (27:12):
I don't see a.

Speaker 15 (27:13):
Blowout either way, but a real arm wristle and hopefully
we've got enough left than the tenth for the last
few weeks to be able to complete the complete the job.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Well said Lyell. Well said, mate, yeah, I think a
tight one. I think most people probably think it's a
it's a single figure winning margin for one or other
of the sites. Golden point not out of the question.
Six o'clock. Well, just after six o'clock tonight, Warriors Raiders
Edgo Media Mount Smart twenty three to one.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
We'll Weekends Force.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
So Aukland FC's maiden season has come to an end,
beaten on aggregate in the semi final of the A League.
That I didn't mean to play that, that's Steve Corricer's
post match reent. What I was gonna play was this.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
Have turned it around from one nil down and they
they leaded to to one two nil on the night,
Melbourne Victory's fans come flooding towards the Uruguayan turned Australian
and Bruno forda Rolie with goal number one hundred and

(28:23):
twelve in the A League has Kevin Melbourne victory the
advartage in.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
The semi and they held onto it. Melbourne victory winning
two nil on the night two one on aggregate. They
advanced to the Grand Final next week and Auckland f
C's season is over. Former Wellington Phoenix striking Our football
analyst and commentator Paul eifelers with us, Paul, you watch
on from sideline last night before the game heading into
this one, did you see this coming Melbourne victory with

(28:51):
the smash and grab?

Speaker 21 (28:52):
I didn't. I didn't, But then when I saw the
demeano I suppose of arfter dinners before the game, I
was a little worried, little concern because I thought he
was so confident coming with a team that hadn't scored
a goal against them, had won a game against them,
and he duly delivered that plan and changed his shape,
which led to a lot of problems for Auckland, who

(29:15):
couldn't really find a way. They did have a couple
of opportunities, and obviously we'll probably talk about the disallowed
goal in a minute, but it was a pretty cagy
affair and I think it suited Victory more than it
did Auckland on the knight.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, I don't want to talk about that this allowed goal.
But in terms of Victory's performance, where were they better
specifically than Auckland FC last night?

Speaker 21 (29:38):
I think in both boxes. I thought they defended really
well and kept Auckland to just a couple of chances,
and although they didn't create too much, they were really
efficient in front of goal. And I think it was
a really smart move by Dealers in putting in the
old campaigner in Fauller Early, like the guy is a
special players called, you know, bundles of goals over the years,

(29:58):
been jumping at the bits of play this season, probably
not played as much as he would like, but he
was so hungry coming into this one, and you could
just see how animated he was after the game. He
how much this meant to everybody at the victory?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
What good a lift? So you have done differently, have
done better?

Speaker 21 (30:13):
Oh BlimE me. I think a lot a lot, was
a lot of the problems that Maya couldn't move as
well as he normally could. Man has been brilliant for
them this season. I just don't think he was quite
up to it. Obviously, carrying an injury. Was always going
to play if he could, and and and always puts
in a shift. But I didn't think he was as
dynamic as he usually is, and that led to others

(30:34):
having to step up, and I just don't think they
quite did unfortunately. I mean, you're bringing on someone like
Gillian who's not scored a goal this year to try
and get you back in the game, and I don't
I don't know if Steve Corriker would have done much
different if he could have done it again. You know,
he will rue the mischarges in the first leg. Certainly
that the stripe from Marina that hits indied both pos,

(30:55):
that goes into probably a different game at home, and
then obviously they disallowed goals is the one they're going
to hang their hats on, which which they duly and
fairly should because I thought it was a goal.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, okay, well it's it's unpack at allland Boss Steve
Carriker absolutely alemant that the goal should have stood and
give us your view.

Speaker 21 (31:13):
Yeah, First of all, I thought maybe the ball has
gone out as it's been crossed, And as soon as
that was clear that it hadn't, then I couldn't see
how they could be one hundred percent sure that the
ball has gone out and back in. I know you've
got a line of them there, but the fact that
there's no way that the via can make a definitive call,
what a way to go. You know, that's that's horrific.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Had that goal gone in, and I know we're talking
hypotheticals here, that would have squared things up at two,
or would they have given Auckland FC the advantage momentum wise?
Do you think they would have brought it home from there?

Speaker 21 (31:47):
I do, I do, But I think again, if you
spoke to victory, they'd have thought, I told bump in
the road and we'll go and get the job done,
because they certainly weren't out of the game at any
point and didn't look too flustered. So it's all left
butts and maybes. But I think yees to not have
that sand We'll never know, and I think that's the
thing that will get Steve Corocker.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
In the long term, and there is obviously a sense
of disappointment and deflation around today. It'll take a while
for these players to pick themselves up. But how long
will it be before they can actually feel proud of
what they've achieved across the whole season.

Speaker 21 (32:20):
I think I think it'll be a little while. Yeah,
I think, Like I said, I think if they'd been
beaten fair and square, is almost easier to take. But
I think they're probably feeling that it's been stolen away
from them, so they'll they'll be bitter for a little while.
But in a funny kind of way, I think it
will stand in good stead. I think they'd be super
super hungry next season, and I'm not sure. I'm not

(32:41):
that they wouldn't have been hungry anyway, but I think
they'll be even hungry. I mean, Steve was absolutely devastated
last night, so angry, but I think he'll go away
and go and look, we were close, amazing work, but
let's go again. So I think it stands in good
stead long term.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, And just on that, just to finish, most of
these players are resigned for next year. There's the odd
one or two who might depart. We know Alex Paulson's
going for example, but can you see them going again
or will there be a degree of second season syndrome
now that everybody knows what they're up against when they
take on Auckland FC.

Speaker 21 (33:15):
I think I think they're too many smart people at
the club to let that happen. I really do. I
think that Bill Foley does things right. I think he's
got the right people in place. I think they will
regroup and they'll go again, and I think, you know,
I expect them to be firmly in the in the
top four. Will they win the minor premiers again? That's
going to be really difficult. It's difficult for any team
to do that two years in a row given the

(33:36):
nature of the league. But I think with a couple
of signers, they clearly need a goalkeeper. I think it's
probably Michael Wood's term to be the number one. I
think they'll go and get a number two. Obviously, if
Maxi Mata does return to Shrewsbury, they're going to need
another forward and I think that's probably where they could
do with strengthen anyway, So they'll be in in for

(33:57):
a nine for sure. So I think they are the
two ends of the pits that they need to strengthen,
and then maybe one more in the middle of the
parks or straight dun spine.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Great working alongside you as always last night if thanks
for your chat this afternoon mate.

Speaker 13 (34:11):
Thanks mate.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
That's Paul Eiffel with his view now the incident he
talked about there, the disallowed goal. This has become the
big talking point out of this game. With the score
at two nil on the night two one on aggregate,
so Aukland left c chasing an equalizer. Ghiziumomy chases a
ball down the left hand side and reaches it just
before it it goes out for what would be a goal.
Cack wraps his left foot around it and then crosses

(34:36):
to the far post. Logan Rogerson arrives and from pretty
much on the goal line heads it in. The adjudication
from the Lino the assistant referee is that the ball
as it was being crossed has gone behind and then
come back into the field of play. At first, there
was doubt that Giziumo Mai had got to the ball

(34:57):
before it had crossed the line, but on a replay
that was shown that he kept it in the reason
that the the goal was ruled out was because had
drifted behind before coming back into the field of play
and being headed in. There was major controversy about this.
There is no conclusive camera angle on it. VAR wasn't

(35:19):
able to see any other view that helped make a decision.
So the assistant referees flag up in the first instance
stands because there's no conclusive evidence from VAR to overturn it.
Steve Coricker was absolutely furious afterwards. He'd calmed down a
little bit by the time the press conference arrived, but

(35:41):
here are his views afterwards.

Speaker 22 (35:43):
One hundred.

Speaker 23 (35:45):
You know, I think we all saw the replay the
balls in play, So for me, the referees is bad
decision linesman has and so is the var whoever was
in charge up there, because that would have obviously helped
us get back into the game.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
You know, it wasn't our day.

Speaker 23 (36:03):
We had a few half chances, but it just wasn't
full for us, and we switched off a couple of
times to let them get into the lead. But you know,
for me that we weren't given the opportunity to get
back into the game because of that decision as well.
You know, I got to say that, I'm very proud
of the players and all the stuff for having an
amazing season, but it's obviously got caught cut short, which

(36:24):
is disappointing, especially the way it got cut short as well.
I think I'm more disappointed about that as well, not
having the opportunity to to keep fighting again. It doesn't
matter what happens now, because you know it's happened during
the season. We've got apologies after the game. I don't
want an apology because you know, I want the right

(36:45):
decision to be made, and my opinion is they got
it wrong, and you know that could have cost us
getting back into the game, for one and getting into
a final. So you're talking about big decisions, so you know,
you would hope they get it right, but I don't
think so.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
There you go, he'd coach Steve Kurriker afterwards really unequivocal
he thought that the ball had stayed in. I've seen
a lot of discussion about this this morning and late
last night after the game, and typically particularly today, and
there's actually no way of knowing one way or the
other whether the ball has gone out or not. Some
people are adamant, like Steve Corricer that stayed in. Others

(37:23):
are equally sure that the ball's gone out. Without a
definitive camera angle, it's actually impossible to tell. Can you
know what you think though? And if you can add
any context or any of your views to this, Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, we can talk about
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Speaker 2 (37:40):
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Speaker 1 (37:43):
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Speaker 3 (37:52):
Ten to one. Hello, Henry, Hey, Jason, here's going mane good? Thanks?

Speaker 16 (37:55):
Mate?

Speaker 24 (37:57):
Good?

Speaker 18 (37:57):
Hey? I mean you fork only see you know, they're
just just corner.

Speaker 15 (38:01):
Like robbed really, but you need to look at a
ball million.

Speaker 24 (38:03):
Times to see whether it was right or wrong.

Speaker 18 (38:05):
It's just hard to that one.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
It's You're right, Henry, it's impossible to tell. One thing.
I noticed I watched about seventy five thousand replays of
it this morning. And Jack duncan and goal as the
cross is coming in, he looks up, tracks the flight
of the ball and then stops. So he looks up
and thinks oh, that's gone behind. And then when the
whistle doesn't go, he turns around and resumes, but he

(38:30):
looks up and and I just just see him, you know,
almost stop say Okay, that's gone out. But that's just
one guy though, you.

Speaker 18 (38:36):
Know, I know.

Speaker 24 (38:37):
But the other thing I just wanted to say quickly
is why don't they, you know, have this like the EPL,
Like you know, he's living for with the best team
all the season, so they won't so like oftiately see
only off two games. I think, you know, I know
they've got the plate final, but you know, you don't
seem to get a big reward if you have been
the best team all year and you could still lose
in the semi final. And just you know, whereas a

(38:59):
view of the best sing more all year in the
common you wouldn't hold they'd see it should be.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's our infatuation with finals down here, Henry, infatuation with
knockout games at the end of seasons. You're right, you
tell people on the you know, in the UK and
the Premier League are at the end of the Premier
League season, the top six are going to go into
a knockout competition and the winner of that text a
you're going to be the champion, they'd laugh at you,
they'd throw it back at your mate.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah. Anyway, Henry, good the chat to your mate, and
I think you're right. It's impossible to tell Tim you
were there last night. How was the atmosphere and at
the end probably not great. But during the game, during.

Speaker 25 (39:33):
The game, I closed my eyes.

Speaker 9 (39:34):
I thought I was back in there.

Speaker 25 (39:36):
That you just referenced to UK football just absolutely metric,
absolutely buzzing. That pot is just visiting. It was flair
smokes the flags. Yes, it was buzzing, really really good, singing.

Speaker 13 (39:49):
Very very good.

Speaker 25 (39:49):
And then Melbourne did their job basically they're very that's
like a punch. Second goal gutted, gutted?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Did you get a view? Did you get a view
of the disallowed goal? Where were you sitting?

Speaker 9 (40:00):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (40:00):
I was right up in the gods of the West End,
I think. But I was watching the screens, kept on
watching the screens, kept on watching it, and heart was
convinced it it was still in. But obviously I think
it was in as he kicked it within it that
bent out and then came back in again, I think.
But it's just that horrible heart in your mouth thing,
and because that would have made a big difference, I think.
But they were too flat in the first half. Unfortunately,

(40:20):
too flat in the first half.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, Tom, I kind of have to agree. I mean,
I've watched Aalkland the f see a lot this season,
and yeah, they weren't quite themselves. Whether they got stuck
sort of not knowing whether to chase it or to
sit and defend the lead, I'm not sure, but I
might I've got to get a break away. But yeah, look,
let's chat football again soon. But yeah, I think they'll

(40:42):
look back and maybe the disallowed goal has kind of
masked this a little bit, but they won't be happy
with their performance. It wasn't the kind of performance that's
got them where they got to the season. Seven to one.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Good from the trag field and the court on your
Home of Sport weekend it with Jason.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Four to one. I've just been seeing some foot's taken
by a fan directly behind Ghijiomo May as he crosses
the ball. So it's a good angle and it looks
like it's gone behind from that angle and I look
across and the assistant referee, the linesman is right in line.
He is standing on the corner flag looking across, so

(41:24):
he's got the best view from that side. But I'm
almost positive you could show Steve Corriker any footage you
like and he still will not agree.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
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Speaker 3 (41:46):
US one seven. Welcome into the show, Welcome back to
the show. This is Weekend Sport on News Talk. Said
b I'm Jason Pine. Anny McDonald's producing the show. In
about an hour or so, we'll get inside the Chiefs camp.
After their mauling of mauat Pacifica last night, I came
away from the football I thought I had better check
the rugby score. Eighty five seven. Eighty five seven got

(42:13):
to be an outlier right from mo Wanna Pacifica. Even
when they've been beaten this year Majana Pacifica, they've scored points.
I remember the first two or three games of the
season they lost, they scored all sorts of points. They
were one of the leading points scorers after the first
two or three games of the season. And of course,

(42:33):
as we know, they've beaten all of the other New
Zealand sides this year still in with a shout for
the top six, but eighty five seven, as I say,
got to be an outlier. Maner Pacific is still with
the chance to make the top six. Incidentally, if they
can beat the Hurricanes next weekend, they keep themselves well
and truly in the hunt. Just having a look at

(42:56):
the table at the moment, actually, Maner Pacifica are still
sixth twenty eight points, the Blues seventh on twenty eight points.
Now the first separator between teams who are tied on
points is the number of winds. So yeah, if ONEA
Pacifica beat the Hurricanes next week, even if the Blues

(43:16):
beat the Waratars and they finish on the same number
of points, more one A Pacifica would have more wins
and therefore would go through. The Waratars are still and
with a chance. By the way, this after their super
point win last night over the Force out in Perth.
So the Waratars actually their path to the final isn't

(43:37):
that difficult as far as trying to do the maths
are concerned. The Waratars simply have to when I say
simply simply have to go to Edon Park next week
and beat the Blues and then hope that the Hurricanes
beat more ONEA PACIFICA and they'll be in. So actually,
the Waratars with plenty to play for when they come
to Edon Park for the early game next Saturday afternoon. Anyway,

(43:59):
we're getting ahead of ourselves. We'll talk Chiefs rug beat
after two. James mcconey this, I'm going to pop in
for a chat. I want to talk some more with you.
Are the Monico Grand Prix? Liam Lawson's ninth on the grid.
As I said last hour, I've been told that the course,
the race track at Monaco is the hardest racetrack to

(44:21):
pass on. So if you start ninth on the grid,
you're in pretty good shape to finish ninth as long
as nothing goes wrong. So could Liam Lawson be in
line for his first points of the season. They're quite
keen here from motorsport fans on that, and in fact
it's motorsport. We We're going to start not with Formula one,

(44:42):
but with the one hundred and ninth running of the
iconic Indianapolis five hundred at the Brickyard tomorrow morning. That
starts at four forty five New Zealand time. Let's bring
in motorsport journalist American editor of We Are the Race,
Jack Benyon, Jack Gooda, have you back to talk Indy
five hundred. Let's start with the big story of the week.
Two time defending race winner Joseph Newgarden along with his

(45:06):
team Pinske teammate in twenty eighteen Indy five hundred winner
Will Power have been seen to the beck of the
starting grid after their cars were found to have been
illegally modified. Three staff members have been fired. Incredible story
that continues to babble along. Can you talk us through.

Speaker 22 (45:26):
This incredible story?

Speaker 26 (45:28):
First of all, thanks having me on. It's great to
be back. Really making this an annual slot now, it's
fantastic to be back. And yeah, really really massive week
in terms of storylines in they five hundred.

Speaker 22 (45:37):
I'm sure getting some.

Speaker 26 (45:38):
More of them shortly, but the Penske story was definitely
the biggest one of the week, with as you mentioned,
a modified part on the back of the car.

Speaker 22 (45:44):
It's basically the rear crash structure of the car.

Speaker 26 (45:46):
It's the bit that kind of holds the rear wing ups,
the bit that you can see that sticks up towards
the air that part was modified and that was found
during a pre qualifying technical inspection on Sunday. They were
originally put to the back of the fast twelve qualifying session,
so they would have started at the back of that
so eleventh and twelve, but then after that have and

(46:07):
a day later they were given additional penalties and moved
to the back of the grid.

Speaker 22 (46:10):
So yeah, massive story.

Speaker 26 (46:12):
As you mentioned, three, basically the whole senior membership team
of the biggest team in Indy Car Team Penske have
left the organization and also big monetary fines and also
those people who've left have had to be replaced on
the cars. So those are three people who, although they
have sort of wider roles within the company, they also
have active roles in the five hundred strategists and engineers

(46:34):
and things like that, so they've all had to be
replaced at really short notice. So yeah, fantastic and massive
story to kind of bookmark the week and give people
a lot of opinions over whether you know, Penske should
have been allowed to race at all, whether they should
have been taken out the field, or whether they should
have been moved to the back as they have been,
so Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of

(46:55):
passion and a lot of opinions flying around in Indianapolis
this week, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
What's yours, Jack? What's this deliberate? Were they deliberately knowingly
operating outside the rules here?

Speaker 22 (47:07):
It's really hard.

Speaker 26 (47:07):
I think Roger Penskey's pointed to the fact that these
parts were brought from Delara and they're sealed safety parts,
so you know, it's really difficult to tell sort of
where the where the start and where the finish of
this story is, to be honest, but it's you know, fundamentally,
this is a safety part of the car.

Speaker 22 (47:24):
So there's absolutely no modifications allowed to safety parts of
the car obviously for obvious reasons.

Speaker 26 (47:30):
We need to keep the driver safe and if there
is an accident, they need to be you know, they
need to be safe and they need to be well
looked after. So a really important part. And yeah, I
think IndyCar really stamped the authority this week.

Speaker 22 (47:41):
And put their foot down over it.

Speaker 26 (47:43):
A lot of confusion about it because you know, I
guess this part had appeared on the twenty twenty four
winning Indy five hundred car of Joseph Newgarden. So a
lot of people kind of looking back at last year's
event as well, and you know, trying to work out
whether the results might change from last year. Even so,
you know this this is such a massive story and
it's I'm sure it's going to run and run. I'm

(48:04):
sure we've not found out everything we need to know
about this story yet, but yeah, just to I guess
put a bow on that the results are not going
to be changed from last year. They've decided that they're
going to be kept the same. And yeah, the organization
has basically decided that because the cars the pass through
technical inspection legally on Saturday, that means that they do
deserve to be in the field and that they should
be allowed to start the back of the grid.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
All right, well, let's go to the beck of the grid. Then,
could one or both of joseph Newgarden or will Power
come from the back of the grid to challenge somewhere
near the front or is that just not doable.

Speaker 26 (48:38):
It's it's a really it's a really difficult question to answer,
But I'm going to give you a pretty honest answer
and say that I think Joseph's New Garden is going
to win this year's in the five hundred.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Wow.

Speaker 26 (48:47):
Wow sounds ridiculous saying it from the fact that he's
coming from thirty second on the grid and the fact
that no car in the history of one hundred and
nine Indy five hundred ever won from twenty ninth or
lower on the grid, So there's a great precedent for
this not happening, So maybe don't take too much of
my word. What I will say is the fact that
the way the call of works is because we have

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basically we have the cars between thirteenth and thirty position.
They all qualify on the Saturday, and they go through
to the race. On Sunday, they don't qualify again, but
then we get the top twelve and the bottom, so
thirty first to thirty four.

Speaker 22 (49:23):
Competing for the last entry on the grid.

Speaker 26 (49:27):
Now, the only reason I bring that up is to
say that we don't normally see cars that are capable
of winning.

Speaker 22 (49:31):
The race going to the back of the field.

Speaker 26 (49:33):
They're normally fast enough to qualify at least just on
the Saturday and get through the grid. We often see
really good cars kind of qualifying around between twenty and
thirty if they've had a really bad weekend or they've
made a mistake on the setup.

Speaker 22 (49:44):
You very rarely see a car as fast as those.
Joseph Newgarden start at the back of the grid.

Speaker 26 (49:48):
So I don't remember the last time a car that
was capable of being in that fast twelve shootout was
put to the back of the grid.

Speaker 22 (49:54):
We've not seen it in a long time.

Speaker 26 (49:55):
And I think this president over the past few years
for cars going to the back of the grid during
the race and then being able to fight their way
back forward with good strategy and good pit stops. And
one thing jose Newgarden has on its side is the
fact that he won Pitstop Challenge on Friday. His Penske
crew have like a pitstop tournament in the in the
pit lane on Friday. It's a big part of the
event here at Indianapolis. And yeah, Joseph Nugarann's team won.

(50:16):
So he's got everything on his side to be able
to do this. If anyone's gonna be able to do
it's gonna be him because his car in practice has
just been absolutely phenomenal.

Speaker 22 (50:23):
I can't tell you how good his his car has looked.

Speaker 26 (50:25):
He's been, you know, reeling people in as if they've
got magnets on the back of their car and overtaking
them at ease in practice. So it's been, you know,
really fantastic to watch, and it's such a great story.

Speaker 22 (50:35):
Everything all the stats.

Speaker 26 (50:36):
Tell you that Joseph New should not be able to
be able to do this, and that he's going to
fail miserably, but everything about the car says that that
is an Indy five hundred winning car.

Speaker 22 (50:44):
So it's going to be fascinating to see him come
through the field.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
All right, can't wait? Well on poll. Robert Schwartzman, rookie driver,
rookie team HISS, first ever start on an oval of
any kind and any racing series anywhere. Can you tell
us about Robert Schwartzman.

Speaker 26 (51:00):
Robert Schwartzman's a really interesting character. I've known him since
he's about seventeen years old, and I can tell you
he's not changed. He just talks a bit more that
he used to do. But he's an absolutely fabulous character.
Born in Israel, the first Israeli driver to compete in
the Indy five hundred. Yeah, he's come to IndyCar for
the first time this year as a rookie, as has
his team Prema, which he won the Formula three Championship with,
which is most of the European based championship that follows

(51:22):
Formula One around. People might be familiar with that name
if you if you follow motorsport, Prema an absolutely massive
team in junior single seaters. A lot of the Formula
One drivers you've see now, like Oscopiastri won a championship
with Premo, So some really big names out there who've
won championships with Premier before.

Speaker 22 (51:37):
And yeah, I.

Speaker 26 (51:38):
Think people would have give it less than zero chance
of them being on pall for this Indy five hundred.
But they've made some really shrewd signings. They've brought in
some really clever technical people from other teams. They put
together a really good package. They've really focused on this
month and they really really focused on getting their qualifying
card really really good, and.

Speaker 22 (51:53):
They've done a great job with Robert.

Speaker 26 (51:55):
But I've got to say, I can't remember the last
time a rookie turned up at the speedway and was
able to do the things that Robert Schwartzman has done.
I've seen his steering trace, which is like the what
we call it a trace. It looks like a graph,
and it's basically the data of how the steering looks
from the driver. So every time the driver puts some
input into the steering wheel, it makes a line on
this graph and you can see how much they're turning
the wheel effectively. And his was all over the place

(52:16):
like he was hanging onto that thing like it was
trying to kill him. And he did a fantastic job. Honestly,
I can't tell you how difficult that is to do
at the speedway. You know, we're talking about speeds of
two hundred and forty two hundred and thirty, two hundred
and twenty miles an hour, even in the corners. And
this guy, you know, he just pulled off the most
amazing full lap run and that last run he did
for Paul was the first one he'd done all month,
flat out. He didn't lift in the whole four lap run,

(52:39):
so that's ten miles four laps for the qualifying run
he didn't lift. You know, he went over two hundred
and thirty nine miles an hour. And Yeah, for a
rookie to be able to do that their first time
at the speedway, I think that just tells you, you know,
what a pretageous talent we're looking at here.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Absolutely. We'll keep an eye on Robert Schwartzman tomorrow from
Paul Or let's give to the keywaist our Man, sixth
time Indy Car Champion Indy five hundred win of two
thousand and night Scott Dixon. But are the old men
of the field these days? Fourth on the grid, third
last year. Watch old Scott Dixon's on the podium again.

Speaker 22 (53:10):
You called him an old man.

Speaker 26 (53:11):
He was accused of dyeing his hair by fellow driving
during the during the preliminaries, so that was a good
bit of needling we've seen going on. Helio Cashinevers is
what has been one of Scott Dixon's biggest rivals in
his indiecar career. But they're actually working together this year
through a technical tie up between two teams Meyer Shank
Racing and Chip Ganassi Racing. Dixon obviously a long term
Chip Ganassi racer. So yeah, they've had a really interesting month.

(53:33):
It's been a bit up and down, i think the most.
For the most part, the race car it's really good,
so I'm really excited for the race to see how
the Gannasty cars and Scott Dixon do in the race
obviously was a big clambor for him to win another
Indy five hundred. You could argue he could have won
four or five by now, and it's really, you know,
a travesty really that he's not been able to get
another one over the line. You know, some of the
listeners might remember a few years back when he had

(53:54):
the pit lane speeding penalty where it was like zero
point one miles an hour. That was the difference between
him having a penalty or not, and he got that
penalty and it really ruined his race.

Speaker 22 (54:01):
So, yeah, he's he didn't really have the car last year, Ganassi.

Speaker 26 (54:05):
They were strong and he he had a really good result,
but yeah, they weren't really in contention to win at
any point.

Speaker 22 (54:10):
And I think that's changed a little bit this year.

Speaker 26 (54:11):
I do think and actually have a car that could
compete for the victory, and his teammate Alex Poulo is
going to be right up his rear as well. He's
won four of the first five races in the IndyCar
Championship this year and he even won a race at
the Zoo with a toll toys, So that'll tell you
that he can Basically he can win with anything right now,
even a toll toys. So yeah, there's some fun going on.
But Scott Dixon definitely definitely wants to watch for this

(54:33):
race for sure.

Speaker 10 (54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
The Scott McLaughlin crashed his primary car and a spectacular
flipping incident and practiced last weekend. He'll be in his
backup car of course, as Team Pinskey teammates New Garden
Power Beck of the grid. So it's been a disrapted
week for Team Pinskey. What do you predict for Scotty McLoughlin.

Speaker 22 (54:49):
Well, that'd be really interesting.

Speaker 26 (54:50):
Do you know what if if he hadn't crossed the
car in practice before qualifying, I think he would have
been on pole position again as he was last year,
and I think we'd been talking about him being one
of the favorites.

Speaker 22 (54:58):
But because he's gone to this backup car.

Speaker 26 (55:01):
It's very, very difficult when you go to a backup
car because if you think about the development of a car,
they basically start the development of the car the day
after the previous Indy five hundred, So you know, Penskey
had been working on Scotty max car since, you know,
the day after last year's Indy five hundred, and they
massage these cars to within an.

Speaker 22 (55:16):
Inch of their life.

Speaker 26 (55:17):
We think about their air has to touch all of
the parts of the car. They have to make sure
every single part's perfect. And over the years they also
they get favorite parts. So when they run these parts
on the car, they work out which parts are the
best for whatever reason, and you know, the development parts
and things like that. And if you have a big crash,
you can take some of those parts out of circulation.
If you lose them parts, it can cost you speed
and make you slower. So the big question is how

(55:39):
good is Scott mcgogwain's car going to be. We saw
it in practice and he looks comfortable.

Speaker 22 (55:42):
In practice. He seemed happy. But obviously a lot of
the drivers he's.

Speaker 26 (55:45):
Coming up against have spent a whole month, you know,
getting their car into a perfect window, and he's not
been able to do that because he's obviously just got
into this car. So there's a lot of uncertainty of
how we'll do in the race. But the good news is,
unlike his teammates, he's not lost any positions because he
wasn't found to have this rear crash structure in breach
of the regulations, so he can actually start tenth. So

(56:06):
as you mentioned, yeah, he's coming from a good starting spot.
He's in the top ten, he's within striking distance of
the front, so I definitely keep an eye on him, all.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Right, MICUs sam Strong. The other key were he qushed
in qualifying two thirtieth on the thirty three card for
MICUs sam Strong Jeck just to finish, you know, apart
from driving fast and staying out of trouble, what are
the real keys to winning the n D five hundred.

Speaker 22 (56:28):
The pit stops are the big one. You know, you're
looking at maybe five.

Speaker 26 (56:31):
Six, seven, eight pit stops, depending on how many cautions
we have, and you know, every single one of those stops,
even just the tenth of a second, can be the
difference between you being first or tenth. So, you know,
if we think about the real areas, how I like
to put it is, if you kind of think of
a car driving through the field or making overtakes, it's
really difficult for a driver to make up sort of
four or five seconds on the track.

Speaker 22 (56:52):
You know that they're also close together.

Speaker 26 (56:54):
That doesn't happen very often, but in a pit lane
it's really easy for that to happen if someone drops
a wheel notup when they're changing the wheel, or if
they struggle to get a wheel off, or if the
fudel hose won't go into the car properly. You know,
all of these problems can add up to two seconds
and ever very difficult to pull back on the track.
So I definitely keep an eye on the pit stops
and watching the strategy that all the teams are using.
The other thing I think is going to be really
interesting is we've got the hybrid U this year. It's

(57:15):
like an extra power boost for the cars, but it's
also made them heavier. So if you think about when
you make a car heavier, it's going to work the
tires more.

Speaker 22 (57:23):
It's going to be harder on its tires.

Speaker 26 (57:24):
So when we get towards the end of a stint
where the cars are sort of they're lighter, but they
are you know, they've worn their tires down there, there's
no tread on the tire and they're really struggling to
be moving around at sort of two hundred and fifteen
two hundred and twenty miles an hour, and it's going
to be really hard to hold onto them.

Speaker 22 (57:40):
So if anyone can find an advantage there.

Speaker 26 (57:42):
If anyone's got a car that's a little bit easier
on the tires than others, they're going to have a
massive advantage. So there's some of the things that you
didn't mention that I I would definitely keep an eye on. Yeah,
it's going to be a fascinating spectacle, and we've got
to sell out crowd. It's going to be nearly throw
underd and fifty thousand people on race day, so there's
going to be a lot of eyes on this race.
And there's so many good cars spread out all across
the field that it's going to be fascinating to watch.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Absolutely well, Jack, you've given us wonderful inside I've written
down here Joseph, So I'm going to watch him tomorrow
and think of you as he weaves his way through
the field and maybe creates history of the brickyard. But
as always, Jack, thanks for joining us across New Zealand
with you with your brilliant expertise.

Speaker 22 (58:19):
Thanks for ms it's been great to be back.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Good on you, Jack. Thanks indeed. Jack Benyon there motorsport journalist.
He's in Indianapolis for the NDY five hundred three hundred
and fifty thousand people turn up to watch this on
an oval track. Incredible. I'm quite keen to pick your
brains on this. The Penske thing's so interesting to me
with what's happened there, particularly given the fact that they

(58:43):
if you missed the start of the chat, what's basically
happened is that Team Penske, which is Scott McLoughlin's team,
have been in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Three staffers have been sacked for a rules in fraction
over unapproved modifications. Joseph Newgarden and Will Power, who are
Scott mcglocklin's teammates at Penske, have been dumped to the

(59:04):
back of the grid. Now McLaughlin his car wasn't found
to have undergone the same illegal modification, so he's okay.
He's tenth on the grid, so it hasn't affected him.
But it has in some way because he's got a
new strategist and a new engineer. As you heard Jack say,

(59:25):
those who have been let go from the team, fired
from the team had a big role to play on
race day. McLaughlin says he feels for them, but he'll
run his own race.

Speaker 27 (59:36):
I know we've got fast cars, but everyone feels that
way as well.

Speaker 13 (59:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (59:40):
I mean, I'm not for me.

Speaker 27 (59:41):
I'm not worried about their race, focused on my own,
but we know what we need to do to sort
of just keep ourselves in the game.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
So he's trying to stay calm. The bit that interests
me is that Joseph Neugarten won it last year with
from the sounds of things, the same car with presumably
the same modifications done to it wasn't picked up last year.
They're not going to change the result, but it's a
really interesting little layer to this. They've got to start

(01:00:09):
at the back of the field, new garden in power
now and he's more from Scott McLaughlin on his new
strategist and engineer.

Speaker 27 (01:00:18):
Those three guys are friends of mine and have done
a tremendous amount in my career to get me to
this point. Is a sadness from my perspective, but at
the end of the day, you know, I drive for
Roger Penske.

Speaker 13 (01:00:32):
I respect the decision.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
And Scott Dixon the other Scott looking to add a
second Indianapolis five hundred to his CV. He won it
in two thousand and eight men. Is that when it
was seventeen years ago that he won that Indy five hundred.
I remember it so vividly, Scott Dixon winning that at
the Brickout two thousand and eight. He'll start from the

(01:00:55):
second row of the grid, fourth on the grid. Got
to be a chance. Scott Dixon says he feels comfortable
with where he is at head of the race.

Speaker 22 (01:01:03):
Never the same and the competition always changes as well.

Speaker 18 (01:01:06):
You know, we're a in a lot better place this year,
So looking forward to having a real good crackeut at
this Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Any Indianapolis five hundred officionados be keen to get your
expertise on this. Jack just said, then he can see
Joseph Neugarten going from the back of the grid to
win it. I mean that would be quite incredible. I
guess the race is long enough five hundred miles for
him to do that if he's skillful enough to weave
his way from the back. Plenty of passing opportunities. What

(01:01:35):
do you say eight pit stops? So factor those in
who knows keen to chat to your motorsport fans and
also the other part of the motorsport weekend of course
is Liam Lawson. He's achieved his best qualifying effort of
the season. Ahead of the Monaco Grand Prix tomorrow morning,
he'll be ninth. After his first participation in the third

(01:01:58):
and final phase of qualifying for twenty twenty five, Isaac
Hadjer clocked the sixth fastest time. He will start in fifth.
So Liam Lawson knows he's he's got a bit of
work to do if he's get to get up any
higher than ninth.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
To be honest, I think we missed a little bit
in quality, So that's a bit of a shame. We've
got traffic as well, but this place is always follow
that so to do as that we missed out a
little bit, but strong quality for the team.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
All right, Let's let's talk some motorsport R eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty for those of you who know
the ND five hundred, How easy or not? We'll not easy,
but how challenging or not is it to weave your
way through the field. Could Newgarden and or Power find
themselves up in the top half or even the top ten?
Scott Dixon fourth on the grid sounds good? Could he
do it again? Seventeen years on? And Liam Lawson ninth

(01:02:47):
at the Monaco Grand Prix. I'll repeat what I what
I was sent before midday, which was that the Monaco
track is basically the hardest track in the world to
overtake on. So if you qualify ninth, you start ninth
on the grid, then you have to be in with
a pretty good shot of retaining that position. If it's

(01:03:08):
very hard to overtake, then don't make any mistakes. Easier
said than done, and you should finish in the points
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Talks twenty nine Away from to Talking Motorsport, Ay five
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Speaker 18 (01:03:37):
Good Jason. A couple of things. Yeah. I think that
the reason why Pinsky have been and to be honest,
that the management have kind of resigned is that they've
done it before. I reckon they've probably done it as
you mentioned, you were totally correct, but not even just
last year, but even probably the year before. And they've
got camera footage of that modification, and so I think

(01:04:01):
that's why they've come down so hard on them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
So they, yeah, they haven't walked back as I mean,
whether that's not possible. I presume they could have just
gone back and said, well, put it this way, Bevan,
what you've just said. If they if their car last
year was identical to this year, and this year's car
is illegal, then surely last year's car was illegal.

Speaker 18 (01:04:23):
Well that's the thing. That's that's the point. I think
that maybe they've kind of ended up with egg on
their face a little bit. But I mean the people
that sort of investigate and go, oh, why didn't we
pick it up because we've just we've done some investigation
and they've actually been getting away away with it for
a little while. But they can't retrospectively, you know, penalize them.

(01:04:44):
I suppose it's kind of like in some ways like
Melbourne Storm, you know when they got stripped of those
premierships retrospectively, But in this case, they're not going to
do this. They're not going to do it. So I
think they kind of just thought, oh and and just
the fact that the team management, the top people have
just run for the hills. I think they're a little

(01:05:07):
bit worried.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
The interesting said there's any more fallout because it will
be ongoing. But so new Garden and Power will race
tomorrow morning. And obviously, even though they're at the back
of the field, their lap times are way way quicker
than normal drivers who are at the back of the field.
What chance do you give them of weaving their way
through and getting close to the front.

Speaker 18 (01:05:30):
Well, it's interesting that I've never listened to that person
you had on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Before, ye Jack Benyon.

Speaker 18 (01:05:36):
Yeah, Jack, that was incredible. I've actually never heard a
person commentation about motor sport like that. He's incredible. Yeah,
I was just I was like on the edge of
my seat. He made it, and he talks for a
million miles an hour, but everything he says is so
relevant to So he was saying he reckons he's going

(01:05:58):
to win, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Yeah, I know. And he's like it's bold, but you're right.
I mean jet, Like, if I'd said it, you'd be like,
you're right, But he said, and he knows a lot
about it. Now, I'm interested to see if Joseph Newgarten
can actually do it.

Speaker 18 (01:06:12):
Well, maybe he's on, Maybe he's getting a little bit
of a you know, he says that, but I mean, yeah, well,
look at you, the fastest car like, I mean, you're
just gonna zip zip zip, And but just so quick
on what do you think about?

Speaker 10 (01:06:22):
Liam?

Speaker 18 (01:06:23):
He's there? But then you say, Monico, how do you
pass there?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Well, that that and that's it. You just can't. And
you might have heard me say before as well, because
it's such a hard track to pass on. They've eded
in and I'll read this here. You have to do
a second pit stop and use a third different tire
compound as a means of trying to make it a
bit more competitive, because otherwise, I mean, if if the
starting grid is the finishing order, then there's not too

(01:06:50):
much to get excited about. Probably, So let's hope Liam,
I mean, let's have it plays in Lilliam's hands. He
stays out of trouble and finishes ninth.

Speaker 18 (01:06:58):
Yeah, exactly, And just quickly on the on the game
last night, I thought the ball did Yeah. I heard
what you were saying about that alternative can angled that
somebody sent you. I thought, yeah, I thought it was
I thought it was out. But I was just wondering,
have you ever asked to see whether Anna Mowbray would
would come on the show and have a chat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Yeah, I know that's a good shout and and I'm
I'm almost certain she would. She's a she's a pretty exuberant,
vivacious character. And I'm obrak maybe her and Ellie Williams.
And I was going to say for an hour might
need a bit longer.

Speaker 18 (01:07:30):
They might apply there, they might apply their helicopter.

Speaker 9 (01:07:34):
They might.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
We'll get that. We'll get the landing pad on the
roof of ZMB ready for them. Bib oh, good, good,
good to talk to you, tiny you too, mate, Take
it easy. One hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is our number.
Let's go to Tim Tim Hi very good term and
D five hundred mate, what what are you thinking? I
we can.

Speaker 28 (01:07:56):
Scotty went still, we'll still win a curses car still
but he's but he'll still won it anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
You've got McLaughlin winning it. So it's it's his backup car.
As you know, he's tenth on the grid. So and
he was he was on pole last year, wasn't he
And he finished off the podium from memory. So you reckon,
he can you reckon, he can weave his way from
tenth to first.

Speaker 28 (01:08:18):
Yep, yeah, I can.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
All right, Well I'll ask you the question about Joseph Newgarden.
Can a guy weave from thirty second to first?

Speaker 18 (01:08:27):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Can give me incredible to watch?

Speaker 28 (01:08:31):
Yeah, piney, I see you know that race is not
at four forty five at two o'clock. It is that
two o'clock, isn't Yeah, you can make it up time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
All right mate, Well I'll give myself a smack on
the hand and set my alarm for a couple of
hours earlier. Good thing you're here ten otherwise we ordered mister. Yes,
good onion, mate, thanks for calling in. Really appreciate it.
Glenn Monico Grand Prix. Liam Lawson's ninth on the grid.
Does he finish ninth?

Speaker 26 (01:09:00):
Well?

Speaker 29 (01:09:00):
I think it all comes down to what everyone does
for the two stop strategy, because if that's the noise
about putting on after that one.

Speaker 18 (01:09:11):
Plays out, then.

Speaker 29 (01:09:13):
It could anything to happen in that midfield, because you
could have some people going out on scrubsofts not worrying
about them. That first lap is not at full race speed.
Everyone's still bunched up. Open up a whole clear run
of space. Put the foot down on some slick cards
and there's two or three seconds, so two or three
seconds at that point in the race and change a

(01:09:36):
lot of places. So while you can't overtake on the track,
I think it's going to be really exciting to see
how this jigsaw plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
What have you made of Liam Lawson in general terms?
Clean It feels as though something happens, you know, to
him or around him most weeks and he's been either
unlucky or maybe something he's done as team's done, the car,
whatever it is. How should we evaluate, you know, the
first six or seven races of the year for Liam.

Speaker 29 (01:10:05):
I think you he's slowly getting there. Will you look
at you, look at Antonelli, you look at Hedge. They're
heading their straps really fast. And I think Liam's racing
below what he's capable of. And I think it's it's confidence.
He just doesn't seem to just have that, I'll say,

(01:10:30):
arrogance and self belief. I know he's got the self belief,
but the arrogance that comes with it to just absolutely
pile on and push it. So I think every race
is getting a little bit better, and I hope he
does enough to say because if he does, I think
he'll be another Alex Elboin esque sort of long term
good driver.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Love it, love it, Glenn. Well, let's hope he picks
up points tomorrow morning and that will be another step
along that track. You know, confidence can only be built,
or his confidence can only be built if it gets
points right. So yeah, let's hope it happens tomorrow morning. Mate,
Thanks for your calling, your expertise. Great one, all the best, mate,
you have a great one. Two twenty one away from two.
A couple of texts before we go to a break,

(01:11:12):
and James mcconey joins us in studio. Colin Chapman of
Lotus Car's Fame says, Paul once said if he could
get a Morris Oxford onto the poll at Monaco, who'd
win the race? It's that difficult it is to pass there,
And Twey says, apparently ticket sales from the Indianapolis five
hundred last year were four hundred and eighty million dollars

(01:11:35):
and that didn't include the beer and the hot dogs.
Good stuff to we love it. That's like a break.
James mcconey and studio.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
After this you be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and Gjjabnerholmes, New Zealand's most
trusted home builder news Dogs they'd.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Be it's coming up seventeen away from two Sunday afternoon,
we get the pleasure of the company of James mcconey.
I'm in Auckland this weekend and James, you've cummen Studio.
It's just a delight to see you.

Speaker 11 (01:12:04):
It's great to see you. Pioney things that workout. Yesterday
last night, I was there in the corner in the
Beitcher base and I had a very good view of
that controversial goal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
What did you make of it?

Speaker 11 (01:12:16):
I was eating a jalapeno popper at the time and
it was super hot and I was struggling to recover
from that.

Speaker 13 (01:12:22):
But I thought it was a goal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
You didn't think it bent out and came back in.
You think it always the right side of the white line,
even though you can't actually tell.

Speaker 11 (01:12:31):
Well, it has to be the hole of the ball,
doesn't it. Yes, And we've seen some instances of that
where especially with Japan and the World Cup, where it
was quite looked like it was definitely out look it
looked like it was more of a slice as much
as much as anything. So you know, maybe it just
that what we didn't see was the video evidence, did
we piney? But I know that Steve Crocker, is that

(01:12:53):
the reason why he just kind of lost it for
the rest of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Yes, it was. He was absolutely fuming about that, and
then obviously coupled with the frustration of not being able
to get back in the game and eventually losing it.
I mean, I've had text here right now. Watch the
spin on the cross. It's not spinning sideways, so there's
no way it can go out but bend back and
it's mainly backspin. Look, I think we're getting quite deep
in the weeds, I said.

Speaker 11 (01:13:16):
I think it's more of a slice and then a
slice backhand, if you like. Even I spoke to gmo
My after the game and he was saying, look, I
wish I'd taken the shot because the ball did come
across and then he let it roll. And of course
he's not a right foot, he's a lefty right and
then we have the incident of Lee and Gillian. He's
not a left foot, of he's a arriety and he

(01:13:37):
had a really good opportunity with his left foot. Like
I said, anyone out there who's got a kid who
plays football, get to play, get them to be two footed.
At least have a shot with your wrong foot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Even Nander Pineker at the end, I thought, you know
that when Jack Duncan drops the ball and he turns
and goes to goes to put on, if he's on
his left foot, he just monsters that into the net.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
Totally.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah. But Nando's right foot is pretty good too, but
just not quite as good in a situation like that.

Speaker 11 (01:14:03):
And I know that was a reflex volley, but I
also think you've got to leave your foot your feet
at that point, you've really got to go. I mean,
I don't want to say full palais. It's a bit
of a tough ask, but you have to really get
ethnic and get something behind it. Because the ball was
really just drifting towards the goal. I think if you
got any more velocity on it, it's a goal. But overall,

(01:14:25):
Piney I would say that the Melbourne victory actually deserved that.
I thought the Aukland f C were sort of I
thought that the three t's timid, they were tentative a
little bit tight, you know, I didn't. It didn't quite
have it and that rhythm. And then of course with
the victory, every time they attacked, they're just a little

(01:14:45):
bit more. They had all the v's going right, you know,
a bit of verve. They were variety, and they're quite
vigorous as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Very good, very good from you, just before we moved
from the football. It'll take a while, won't it. In
paul life. Will said this an hour or so ago.
But at some point they'd have to look back with pride,
wouldn't they once the disappointment wears off.

Speaker 11 (01:15:02):
Yeah, And I could see that from the players last night,
even though I'm Alex Paulson in particular emotional. You know,
he stayed in front of the fans for a little
bit longer than the others because he is leaving. But
you could tell that they were just so proud of
what they've done, but also just coming together as such
a you know, they've come from all parts of the world,
all parts of the globe, and it was a miracle

(01:15:24):
that they actually showed up at the right time. I
think Nadal Moreno was at two weeks, but I didn't
know where he was. And so and now you look,
how crucially is they've bonded so well, and really it
sets it up for next season. What can they do
to actually because it would have been quite a tough
second album next year if they won it all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Yes, no, correct, And now I guess you find out
whether they've you know, I've got the ability to back
it up in season two. We'll have to wait a
bit for that. Meantime. An hour down the road, Yeah,
the Chiefs are putting eighty five points on Mowana PACIFICA.

Speaker 11 (01:15:57):
Well, Pine, I don't know how you drive all, what
your kind of car you're in if you're like the
new Scottie McLaughlin. But it's an hour twenty thanks me.
Not an helicopter, true, but anyway, leeh look, I couldn't
believe the score. But also I think for Mina PACIFICA,
if you play to your absolute maximum three or four
weeks in a row, something's going to give. It's unsustainable.

(01:16:18):
And unfortunately that was just one of those blowout games
where the Chiefs were clicking Muana were probably tired, you know,
lacking I guess what would you call it? That extra
motivation of knowing this was a real sudden death moment.
Even that whole Battle of the Bridge mentality against the
Blues was huge battle of the nine. So look what

(01:16:40):
the Chief showed though, is that, yeah, they are great
when they're you know, front football. But if, for example,
I don't want to play the Canes. You know, you
saw the Canes on Friday night in Brisbane and what
they do dupas Kadifi is just in such good form
you can't even guarantee that you'll get three or four
phases in a row with him sniping out there. So

(01:17:02):
one thing I would say, Pineyer is and I did
say this to you earlier in the season. I thought
Simon park was a bolter. Then he disappeared from sight
and you were going, what happened to Simon Parker? Mate,
Well he is back, Piney.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I don't remember saying what happened to Simon Parker, but
I might have thought it. I've never seen it. What
about Leroy Carter? I quite like the cut of this guy's.

Speaker 11 (01:17:20):
Jib Learra Carter is special. I mean they had a
half back situation, didn't they were, because really if they
lost another half back, you've got Leroy O Carter who
played there in his age group. He also played a
bit of flankers, so he's kind of like that. He's
a bit of an every man rugby player. Everyone can
everyone's played with a guy like Leroy Carter, undersize, combative, quick,

(01:17:42):
he is super talent. I don't know if he'll get
picked for the All Blacks. I just think, you know,
someone like Tonny Tail who even is out of out
of side at the moment with injury, he might come
back in and leap frog in. But that's why I'm
sort of putting all my bets on Parker and McAllister
from the Chiefs to be the new bees in the
All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Let's go to a she just on the Hurricanes. I
thought they were good the other one too. I and
they my team obviously, but you know, to secure that
because what they've done is is avoided the possibility of
almost a must win game against more other pacifica are
wounded more on a pacifica Ardie Save has returned to
Sky Stadium, all of that sort of stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:18:20):
Next week, you know, the Hurricanes with I mean Riley
Higgins wasn't playing, but Thomas Sumunger Jensen and Riley I
think are level pegging. But having Procter back in there,
having a midfield that everyone is not only scared of,
but also makes the whole team function perfectly. When the
Hurricanes are going through their phases, I think they're the
slickeest of any team in Super Rugby. They remind me

(01:18:42):
of France and you know, and good France. So really,
if they can play that sort of rugby, it's hard
for anyone to.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
Live with them.

Speaker 11 (01:18:50):
But you can see even in some of those big
games where you see a team in possession looks so
different from a team defending, and the scores can ramp up.
But you know, as Stephen Donald has said, Super rugby
is one in the winter, Pioney winter is slowly. Yes,
that was the problem with Mount Smart last night. Well,
so we gave the Melbourne victory a billion table to

(01:19:11):
play on and we played on a bog in Melbourne
and we actually gave them the perfect conditions and of
course they have the players to capitalize.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Imagine if that goal from Moreno had gone on a
week ago eight it just comes into start contrast with
what happened last night.

Speaker 11 (01:19:25):
Eh, totally, totally we would have we should have been
hosting a final. It's a shame, but look they've given
us everything, or they've exceeded expectations.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Let's go to the NBA Finals. There's a game on
at the moment. Okay, so you're two near ahead of
the Minnesota Timberwolves in this best of seven series halftime
in Minneapolis in Game three, the Timberwolves were a hit
seventy two, forty one, seventy two points in the first half.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
It's weird, isn't it. I mean that I'm not actually
too concerned about who goes through from that side, because
I mean, part of you want Anthony Edwards, the rising superstar,
to make it from the Timberwolves. And then you've got, okay,
see this sort of like young team that just average
age will be like, oh, you think twenty three or
something like that with Shae Gilger just Alexander. But on
the other side, you've got this incredible story of a

(01:20:11):
rivalry between the Pacers and the Knicks and Tyres Halliburton,
who's a set of tallest guard who's really mainly an
assist guy. He's a passer, but he is just proving
to be so clutch and so crucial in their battles
that I just look at it and go are the
paces really now the team to beat overall, because they've
got a guy as well, Pascal Siakam, who if you

(01:20:33):
don't know, he's from Cameroon, but he actually won a
title with the Toronto Raptors and he was kind of
the robin to Kawhi Leonard's batman. And now he's the
robin again. And you always need a good robin. You
can't just have Michael Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
You need Scottie Pippin exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:20:48):
And you can't have Larry Bird. You need Kevin McHale.
So that's what they've got and it's working for.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Them absolutely, yep. So the Pacers could be real. I
mean they're tunil up over the Knicks Timberwolves. Back in
this one. Just before you go, somebody's going to drink
a big bottle of milk at the brickyard tomorrow morning.
Scott Dixon fourth on the grip.

Speaker 21 (01:21:06):
Do you do it?

Speaker 11 (01:21:07):
I'm hoping you can. I mean, look, you said you
remember him winning back in two thousand and eight. I
remember him with a cushion strap to his bum driving
in this an CenTra around Poka koe E Racetrack. So yeah,
I remember that little Ginger kid, and I feel seventeen
years is a long wait for some more milk, isn't it?
And ideally he'd get there. But it's a shame for

(01:21:28):
Scott McLachlin because because he crashed his car. Like your
experts said just before, it's always a bummer when you've
got the courtesy car, Yes, you know, especially if you're
going out on a date.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
And this isn't my car smells a bit.

Speaker 11 (01:21:42):
Of old milk, well exactly, and it doesn't impress anyone.
But anyway, Indianapolis is the center of the sporting universe.
Caitlin Clark is going off as well. We'll talk about
it next time. But and we've got Kiwis in the mix,
of course, with the NDY five hundred. But I thought
i'd leave you with this Pony, one of the greatest
ever theme tunes from a sitcom One Day at a Time,

(01:22:03):
set in Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Can you remember this to Valerie Berconelli? Yes, we all
remember that Schneider was the handyman.

Speaker 11 (01:22:11):
Handyman and he had a T shirt like yours with
the cigarette in the in the sleeve.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
One of the great stairs. Are you, James mcconey part
of our Sundays.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Cheers mate, when it's down to the line, you made
a call.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
On eight Weekend Sport with Jason Hine, News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
V coming up four away from two after two o'clock,
we'll get inside the Chiefs camp to unpack their eighty
five seven win over the ONEA Pacifica last night. Roger Randall,
assistant coach, is with us on the show. We'll also
here from International Paralympic Committee President Andrew Parsons. He's been
in New Zealand this past week or so, so he's

(01:22:55):
going to stop him for a chat. And Wayne Goldsmith
that coaching guru. How do your best coach a REP
team like a state of origin team? What's the best way?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
He's on too, the only place to discussed the biggest
force issues on and after fields. It's all on Wi
James Forward with Jason Vane on your home of Sport.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
News Talk Tomo seven. Welcome back in on text Piney.
Were you aware that Sunderland came from behind and beat
the Blades this morning? Premier League here we come. I
was aware of that and in fact they may well
be a little bit of that and an next feature
in case you missed it, But yes, I was aware
that Sunderland are back in the Premier League. I was

(01:23:38):
just checking when they were last there twenty sixteen seventeen
they were relegated. Twenty seventeen eighteen was when they did
the first episode or first series rather of Sunderland Until
I Die. And I'm pretty sure the reality TV people
came in and said to the hows that be at Sunderland, Hey,
you've been relegated from the Premier League. Surely you're going

(01:23:59):
to get promoted straight back up. Let's do a reality
series to chart that, and instead went the other way.
They got relegated at It again, which made for even
better TV. Actually down into League One where they stayed
for four seasons, back up into the Championship and now
back up into the Premier League. Congratulations to the black
Cats of Sunderland and I hope all New Zealand based

(01:24:23):
fans of Sunderland are having a very good date. This
is Weekend Sport. We're here till three, Tim Beverage after
three with the Weekend Collective. Quite a bit to get
through before we hand it over. Lines of communication remain open,
by the way. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,
two ninety two on text emails to Jason at Newstalk
shadb dot co dot NZ. Roger Randal standing by the

(01:24:46):
chat to us assistant coach with the Chiefs, can't imagine
there'll be too much to complain about after an eighty
five seven went over White at Pacifica last night. It
still doesn't guarantee them top spot though they still have
to go to Dunedin and beat the Highlanders on Friday
to claim top spot heading into the finals. Roger Randal
standing by Andrew Parsons is on the show. He is

(01:25:07):
the president of the International Paralympic Committee. He spent the
last four or five days here in New Zealand. What
have been his main takeaways from here? And Wayne Goldsmith
at Coaching Guru. Regular listeners to the show will know
we regularly catch up with Wayne on various sporting matters,
mainly to do with coaching today. What are the best

(01:25:28):
strategies for coaching rap teams when you pull together a
whole bunch of players from different teams and try and
mesh them quickly like State of Origin like the British
and Irish Lions. Wayne Goldsmith with some wisdom as always
on that. Just want to check in on the basketball

(01:25:50):
while we've got time. In the third quarter, the Minnesota
Timberwolves lead the Oklahoma City is under seventy four fifty two. Okay,
see are two ndala ahead in the series. So the
Timberwolves really need to win this one and they're going
along pretty nicely seventy four fifty ten to her head
in the third quarter. Only just into the third quarter.

(01:26:12):
As we always do at about this time on Saturday
and Sunday afternoons, though, it is time to catch you
up with the things you might have missed, some of
the things that have happened while you weren't paying full
attention in case you missed it as the name of
the feature, and we start in the NRL, the Roosters
putting on a strong showing against the Sharks, who were

(01:26:36):
origin weakened. The long need it was even flat footed,
did you in something?

Speaker 22 (01:26:41):
Coming in to start?

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Christ Is finished with the next time MASI point and
the longing that it is a juke.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
That's unbelievable. He just stood there, He just touched football.
Many crowds at top. A very comprehensive forty two to
sixteen win for the Roosters and a much needed win
for the spluttering Nights against an equally spluttering Penrith Panthers.
Last tackle came and.

Speaker 13 (01:27:10):
I mean he's.

Speaker 12 (01:27:11):
Gonna have to chill out, lucas he's having a night
out in fair thirsties.

Speaker 11 (01:27:18):
When did you get a golf.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
Pandick somewhere here cut joins tow three duncreds.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
A gold so that one twenty five to six has
lifted the Newcastle Knights to the giddy heights of fourteenth
on here in Rolanda. The Panthers, meantime, remain rock bottom
to Super Rugby. The warrortars a beat in the force
and a dramatic extra time went out west turn away.

Speaker 22 (01:27:39):
Over the top.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
That comes.

Speaker 23 (01:27:42):
Catt Hazy, donut you have a Lena, what would.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
We need the kick come up this.

Speaker 22 (01:27:54):
Season?

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
He's still alive to the long tis. Yes. Indeed that
was in the ninety first minute, so right at the
end of the ten minutes of at a time it
would have been a drawer. It'll not be from that
for that lancash to try staying with Rugby. Bordeaux are
the champions of Europe.

Speaker 12 (01:28:11):
But of course elk ship going Hutchinson Wolf I can
get this lighted that is it born O, i'n't done it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
The Union has its trophy and it's the big one.

Speaker 13 (01:28:26):
They win this famous Old.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Cup, beating the Northampton Saints twenty eight to twenty in
the final. A good day for Liam Lawson and Monaco.

Speaker 22 (01:28:35):
The Lawson half a.

Speaker 21 (01:28:36):
Sack of down, but that's actually not a bad position.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
For it to be at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
The racing balls where I've got a pay said yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:28:44):
Laws, it's been driving very nicely around here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Lawson crosses the line, goes eighth, passes and starting ninth
in tomorrow Morning's Monico Grand Prix. A good day for
Lawson and even better one for Lando Norris.

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
He comes paste to the line now third fastsuddinly call
a championship.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Leader and it's all down to Lando Norris and Lawris.

Speaker 12 (01:29:05):
The Mare crosses the line.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Norris is on Poland Monaco, how boy did he need.

Speaker 16 (01:29:13):
Landon?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Norris will start on Poland. Finally, a last gasp effort
from departing hero Tom Watson has seen Sunderland back to
the Premier League. Given a word by Key for more,
it's Tommy Watson.

Speaker 12 (01:29:27):
This took me some so well, goodness me, but so
you say goodbye. He's going to the Premier League anyway
this summer.

Speaker 13 (01:29:42):
He's just taken.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Surely his club ter.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
The scoop from the trag field and the court on
your home of sort weekends for it with.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
J tremendous high drama there in the game they call
the richest one of all for the right to play
in the Premier League next season, which Sunderland will do.
Two thirteen, the Chiefs have demolished PACIFICA eighty five seven
in Hamilton to move back to the top of the
Super Rugby Ladder.

Speaker 22 (01:30:11):
Here we go, How good's that?

Speaker 16 (01:30:13):
What is made in ratamar In put a try?

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Yeah, fourteen on debut on the wing, Fellas out to Mackenzie,
Mackenzie to Stevenson.

Speaker 16 (01:30:22):
It's in the air.

Speaker 11 (01:30:23):
Who's running for it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
Who's got it?

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
Who's there?

Speaker 22 (01:30:26):
And if the dry buck is a try, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
We're going to have the penalty tries, the last one
which is going to take seven because you don't need
the conversion that is going to make it eighty five
points to seven. Eighty minutes gone.

Speaker 15 (01:30:39):
He try.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
There's just too many tries on my sheep to go
through and name them all, but thirty one millar at
half time eighty five seven at full time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Here the Chiefs running in thirteen tries to one, posting
the biggest margin in the Super Rugby Pacific era and
the third biggest in Super Rugby history dating all the
way back to nineteen ninety six. Assistant coach of the
Chiefs is Roger Randall, or one of the assistant coaches.
He joins us now, Roger, thanks for taking call. I
guess hard to have too many complaints when you chalk

(01:31:09):
up eighty five points. But what were you and the
rest of the coaching staff most pleased about last night?

Speaker 9 (01:31:17):
Well, you know, creously. I think the way we're respected
one other way that's been playing and was pretty We
had a bit of preparation for twelve potential earlier in
the week and then probably doing a little bit more
and after that. But you were just pleased to put

(01:31:41):
out a plan that most of the time came off.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Did you feel like this performance was coming, not just
this week, but did you feel like a really big
point scoring performance from your team was coming at some
stage this season?

Speaker 9 (01:31:59):
We played really well, had a held little flat patch
most of the eras when our skill sets around twenty
minutes and we've got three tries up and then fortunately
got a couple of tries for half time to to

(01:32:22):
there's a bit more confident than to see what happened
last time we played the middle league POI and then
we you SI mentioning it. But the guys in the
bigger head them very good half team, very fat, and
so we just started well next second half and went
from here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
How hard is it for players to stay disciplined when
the result is beyond doubt, when you're you know, you're
so far clear, you know you're going to win the match.
How challenging is it for a player or applying group
to stay disciplined in situations like that?

Speaker 9 (01:33:01):
Yeah, there are probably the pleading aspects that the guys
didn't moved you away from what was working well, move
the ball and then it was all off the back
of our set piece of our carrying clean game which
give us some pretty good ball for the backs. So
pretty simple recipe, brit I guess, but the boys executed

(01:33:25):
a lot of us start pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Over five hundred points for the season. Now points stuff
is over two hundred. Are these metrics that that you're
proud of?

Speaker 16 (01:33:35):
Uh? They?

Speaker 18 (01:33:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:33:36):
But it's not we look at too often. But I
guess when they come down the points for and against
that that's always always handy. But but yeah, it's nice
to look at, I guess at times, so we don't
focus too much on the points for and against us
probably the points on the table that matter and getting

(01:33:56):
those bonus points when you're when you can and with
a little fear of those slips, which is not ideal. Hence,
while we're the races so tight at the moment, so
I think there's probably a few teams that could say
they've let some try screen bonus points go in the
past and maybe are losing bonus point here and there.
So all of the teams are in that top six

(01:34:18):
or fighting for positioning, the bonus points are pretty vital.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Yeah, well, as you say, it is so tight, you
still need to win your final game to be as
short of top spot. Have you got to go to
Dunedin on Friday night to get the win down there
because behind you Crusaders and Brumbies who play one another,
so someone's probably going to win that game. How determined
ay to finish the job in dneda earn that top
spot and good advantage during the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (01:34:46):
Yeah, definitely. We've really started a couple of meetings today,
leadership meetings and obviously coaches meetings just to play in
the week out Friday night is on the team that's
been pretty unlucky. You know, they should have won last
week and the week before against the hurricane, so you
know they're not far away. And I think had about

(01:35:10):
ten or eleven bonus points, are losing bonus points for
being within seven points, so they are a real tough
team to crack and I know they'll be very motivated
to find of their season on the high, so you know,
we'll prepare accordingly.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
How's Clayton McMullan bean in the last little while, We
know he's going. If you didn't know, would you know?

Speaker 9 (01:35:35):
And there's Bau. We were as coaches who were kind
of we're just carrying on with our job, and we
spoke about it early doors around when he was, you know,
considering going and decided to go, that we're just concentrating
their roles and by the smart remark every now and then,

(01:35:59):
all jokes that we that coaches or players give out,
it's s Yeah, carrying on with business as usual and
just trying to We know what our goals and all
of other teams, so we're just focusing on that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
And we saw him one anotherwa go off early in
the game last night. He reportedly went to hospital. Any
update you've got today from him.

Speaker 9 (01:36:23):
He's been stitched up, so tender around there, but hopefully
it's not too bad. So yeah, just a wounded to
let the look after as a as above's top under
of nose, so it's a big delicate place, so we'll
see how he pulls up over the next couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
All right, Roger, Well, congrats on a big win last
night and a great performance from your team. Hope you
can get the job done down in Dunedin and go
into the playoffs as top qualify mate. All the best
and thanks for the chat this afternoon.

Speaker 9 (01:36:52):
No, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
No, appreciate your time, Roger. Thanks indeed, Roger Randall, assistant
coach of the Chiefs. There so one round to go
next weekend before we have our top six who will
go forward to the finals, the playoffs, the postseason, if
you want to call it. Looking at the table, currently
the Chiefs have gone back to the top with that
bonus point win they've got forty six points, the Crusaders

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have forty five, the Brumbis have forty three. Now the
Crusaders and Brumbies play one another next in fact, this
coming Friday in Canberra, so whoever wins that game could
potentially finish top if the Chiefs don't beat the Highlanders.
Now they'll know that by the time they kick off,
because that's the opening game of the weekend. Highland as

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Chiefs five past seven Friday night in Dunedin. The Highlanders
are currently bottom equal on points with the Druer with
twenty points, so they can't make the six but what
they can do is at least finish with a bit
of a flourish Saturday is such an interesting day. So Chiefs, Crusaders, Brombi's.
They're in the top six. They can't fall out of

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the top six. The Hurricanes cannot fall out of the
top six either. They have thirty four points. The Reds
have thirty three. They cannot fall out of the top
six either. So we've got five of the top six.
The sixth position is going to be taken by one
of Mawanna Pacifica, the Blues or the war Retars. Now
the Blues and Waratars play one another on Saturday at

(01:38:21):
half past four. The war Retars, if they were to
beat the Blues, would jump above them and Mawanna Pacifica,
but Malwaanna Pacificas still have to play the Hurricanes. So
the war Tars can still make the six if they
come to Eden Park and beat the Blues, which given
the way the Blues have been playing this season a
but up and down wouldn't be a massive massive shop.

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If the Wartars beat the Blues and then the Hurricanes
beat Mauna Pacifica, the Warritars make the six and we
would have an even three to three split in the
top six Australian and New Zealand sides. If the Blues
were to beat the war Retars, they would jump into
the top six, and then Mawauna Pacifica would need to

(01:39:02):
beat the Hurricanes in order to go past the Blues.
So it's all going to come down to that final
afternoon Blues Warratars four thirty next Saturday, Hurricanes more on
a Pacifica five past seven next Saturday. Don't forget that
all games involving New Zealand sides. So, in other words,
Heiland as Chiefs Brumby's Crusaders, Blues Waratars and Hurricanes more

(01:39:23):
on a PACIFICA commentary of all of those games available
via gold Sport and iHeartRadio. You can find it on
the app and keep up to date with Super Rugby Pacific.
And then in we will go to the quarterfinals, semi
finals and finals. I'm not going to try and explain
again the top six to you, not now, anyway I'll

(01:39:44):
do it. I'll do it next week once we know
who the top six are. Next Sunday we'll know who
the top six are and I'll be able to explain
it to you. But one thing I can tell you
is if you finish top, you can't be knocked out
in the first round of the playoffs, all right, So
whoever finishes top effectively gets themselves our second life. That

(01:40:05):
is the major advance that you're finishing top. If the
Chief can beat the Hoghlanders, that'll be them two twenty
four oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you want to pass any comment, can I tim O're.

Speaker 6 (01:40:19):
Going to final me. Hey they're really disappointed with Auto
FC last night, but hey, really proud this season they
made it that far. So big kudos to their organization indeed,
But what I wanted to talk about is these permutations
for Super Rugby. Yep, man, it's going to be an

(01:40:40):
interesting Saturday. The Hurricanes shoot up their spot against the Reds.
But then again, the Hurricanes, they probably want to finish fourth,
so they'll be gunning for that victory because they'll ensure
that they get a home quarter final and a life
because if you've seen the finals series, that top four
they actually get a life if they lose.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Yeah, it's only that, but it's only a top six now, tim,
So the Hurricanes wouldn't get a home final for finishing fourth.
There are only three games that would It goes one
v six, two v five, three v four. So there's
no quarter finals this year, so you got to finish
in the Yeah, so the Hurricanes can't host it. They
can't host a I mean quarter finals even the wrong

(01:41:22):
word for it because that would suggest there are eight teams.
But yeah, you still want to finish as high as
you can. Hurricanes. Beating Mowana would also obviously give them
momentum going in and would probably knock Morewana out because
one of the warritors of the Blues would go past them.

Speaker 6 (01:41:38):
Well, yeah, it's going to be interesting. I mean, I
think it would be a massive surprise if the Warritors
did beat the Blues, because I think they've lost the
last eleven or twelve to the Blues. Yes, saying that
the Blues haven't been that great, but it'd even park.
You know, you'd hope that some of these stars would
turn up, especially with Ricertelly there and in his final season.

(01:42:00):
But I think after watching the Chiefs last night, there've
been you know, bride'smaids that last couple of years or
in and around the top four. Surely this has to
be the year.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
I agree. I agree with you. I absolutely one hundred
percent nod my head to that. Surely it has to
be the year. The Crusaders have been good this year,
yes they have, but the Chiefs look if they can
sow up top spot, which they should by betting the
Highlanders have been pretty underwhelming and dneda on Friday night,
The Chiefs should absolutely win Super Rugby this year. They
absolutely have everything. But then you look back to the

(01:42:34):
football last night, matte and we you and I and
many others probably thought that Auckland, fy, We're going to
win the a league.

Speaker 6 (01:42:40):
Well exactly, mate, We never know and the Chiefs have
been there before.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
They have last two years, last two years I've been
in the final. Yeah I know.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
I just want to make a shout out to Simon Baker,
the number six for the Chiefs. I think he's molding
himself very well into the conversation for an all black spot.
He just really plays their position.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:43:00):
He's a big lead too, I think six foot six one,
fifteen kigs. So you know, if there's a numbers six
in mind, we need the Michael Simon Parker.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Yeah, a big boppa. Good on your term. Always love
chatting rugby with you, mate, you make some great observations.
Please keep in touch to twenty six on News Talks Hebbay.
When we come back. It's the President of the International
Paralympic Committee, Andrew Parsons, who's been on New Zealand this
last few days, going to chat to us here on
Weekend Sport.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
It's more than just a game.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Weekend Sport with Jason Yin and TJ Garnerhomes New Zealand's
most trusted home builder.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
News Talks b coming up tow thirty A great pleasure
to welcome an International Paralympic Committee President Andrew Parsons, who's
been in New Zealand since the middle of last week.
Thanks for joining us on the show. Andrew, You've had
a busy schedule during your time here. What have been
some of the highlights of your visit to New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (01:43:50):
Well, thank you very much, it's a pleasure. We'll be
talking to you today. Jason. Then, well, I think spending
spending time, of course with the athletes here, the parapters
of New Zealand. I just had a meeting with the
Athletes councilman of course, visiting the Minister of Sport in
Wellington and speaking and sport in New Zealand, speaking with

(01:44:12):
some of the partners here, visiting the Governor General. So
it was a really packed a few days here. But
I think we've done a lot in terms and trying
to promote, trying to understand, but also for me to
learn how we can from an International Prolympic Committee perspective,
help to strengthen the Paralympic sport movement here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
So what are some of the main things that you
have learned during your time here. What have been some
of the most valuable discussions you've had.

Speaker 16 (01:44:40):
Well, I think it was obviously with the government and
also the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the sense that
you know, we have this incredible opportunity with twenty thirty
two which is considered by some here in New Zealand
as home games, and how to take advantage of that
to prepare New Zealand for not only for not only

(01:45:01):
to win medals and have an incredible performance in twenty
thirty two, but how to structure the movement to photogrow
after the games in twenty to thirty two. So it's
how I think Paralympic sports should be in New Zealand
twenty thirty three on. So, speaking with the different bodies
here such as of course the National Paralympic Committee is
Sport New Zealand, Minister Sport again, the Minister of Foreign Affairs,

(01:45:25):
and the sponsors and commercial partners where they want to
see this movement and of course projecting that speaking with
the athletes. So I think to understand that long term
strategy of Paralympics New Zealand was key for me, as
President of the International Polympic Committee to understand, because of
course we want these games to be games for this
region for Oceania, and we see Paralympic the New Zealand

(01:45:49):
as most probably one of the big engines in order
to promote Paralympic sport here in the region.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
And I know you've had the chance to meet and
spend time with a number of our Paralympians during your
time here. I say you're going to breakfast with Adam Hole,
Cameron Lesley and Enter Grimaldi on Thursday. How much do
you enjoy actually speaking with the athletes themselves on on
on trips like this.

Speaker 16 (01:46:13):
It's the most rewarding part of a visit like this
because look, but Jason we as a sports administrator, as
Paul leader, we I have learned very early in my
career we are here to serve the athletes and help
them to get from you know, grassroots to elite and
and also when it comes to pur Olympic women to

(01:46:34):
leave a long lasted legacy in society and you know
by what they do in the field of play. So
getting the feedback from the athletes and some of the
initiatives of the International Proalympic Committee and understanding a couple
a little bit more about the challenge they face here
in this country and it's just amazing. It's just a
great you know, I learned every time I speak with them.

(01:46:56):
I just had a long conversation now with Cameron Leslie
about his role in in New Zealand swimming and how
he's finding new para swimmers and the integration process into
Enable Body Federation. So it's a very good learning opportunity.
And you know, when the feedback is positive, of course
it's really it makes me really happy. And when it's

(01:47:17):
not that positive, it's something you know that I take note,
I learned and we try to to to act upon it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
We are very proud of our rich Paralympic history and heritage.
We regularly, I think, anyway, punch above our weight on
the world stage at Paralympic Games and other competitions. I
think our our you know, middles per capita at Paralympic
Games is right up there. Have you been able to
uncover anyr reasons why we might be so good for

(01:47:46):
the size of the country that we are.

Speaker 16 (01:47:48):
I think it's a combination of things, to be honest,
I think it's a it's a good good sport management.
Of course, the natural talent of the assets here in
New Zealand, but you know some of the programs I
think the promotional piece and that you know for Olympics
New Zealand can did in the lead up to games

(01:48:11):
like Paris and games like Tokyo. I think it's a
combination of things. And probably you know it's a county
that's sportsman, so I think then you know persons with
disability are no different. So I think you have good
let's say, natural talent and good work around that talent,
developing the talent into uses like the ones you mentioned
now and Agremordi, Adam Hall and so on. So I

(01:48:35):
cannot even if I have founder recipient, Jason, I will
not share it with anyone else because I really like
to see q Is performing like that at the world stage.
But yeah, it's just been great experience here learning more
about the country also, and yeah, really really really good
experience back three days but really really good learning and

(01:48:57):
go into a competition later on today. So fantastic three days.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Can I just ask you from a wider scene, how strong,
how strong do you believe the transformative power of the
Paralympic Games and power sport can be.

Speaker 16 (01:49:13):
Look, I think it's that's a huge potential, and I
think we are just probably scratching the surface. I think
in Paris we we we position the Problempic movement as
really a sport movement or that that is also part
of a wider probably human rights disability movement. So if

(01:49:34):
you think that the Problempic Games is the only event
of global impact that put persons with disabilities center stage,
and I'm not talking on about sport. If you think
an education, coach of politics, art or whatever, is the
Paralympic Games, uh the event that helps to move forward
the agenda of the international movement of person with disability.

(01:49:57):
I think what what we do for this movement is huge,
but it can always have an even greater impact. And
I think one of the chart that we have is,
of course the impact in Paris and in France was huge,
but of course how we can maximize the fact that,
for example in la what the athletes will do on
the field of lay there can have an impact when

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it comes to for example, in New Zealand, in South America,
in Southeast Asia, in different parts of the world outside
of the host nation. I think that's the next step
for US, is the next level for US maximizing the
again the Paralympic Games outside the host nation.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Wonderful to chat to you, Andrew at so great to
have you here in New Zealand. I'm so pleased you've
enjoyed your trip and had the chance to make some
of our Paralympics and others involved in Paralympic sport here
Sive travels. I believe you're off to Vanuatu next.

Speaker 16 (01:50:53):
I'm off to Vanuatu, yeah, today, and then I'm two
three days there, then going to Brisbane of course to
work with the Organizing Committee and some of the local
and regionable and national authorities there in preparations for the
Games in twenty thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
Save travels, and thank you again for your time this afternoon.

Speaker 16 (01:51:15):
Thank you very much as.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Andrew Parson's International Paralympic Committee President on his time in
New Zealand over the last week or so twenty three
to three. When we come back, our coaching guru Wayne
Goldsmith with some great tips on how to coach a
REP team the tough.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Questions off the turf. Weekend Sport with Jason Tyne and GJ.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Coming up nineteen to three. Regular listeners to the show
will know that on a regular basis we get the
benefit of the wisdom of our coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith. Wayne,
thanks for joining us in your regular slot. I wanted
to talk today about REP teams with state of origin
in the week ahead, the British and Irish lines about
to head down Under and the challenges of pulling together
players from a bunch of different places and trying to

(01:52:02):
mesh them effectively. What is the best way, in general
terms to start with to bring together players from different
teams into a unified, cohesive unit often worth very limited time.

Speaker 10 (01:52:14):
Well, the word you use there is the key Pinty
is unified. Is when you've got a group of people
coming together that have been selected in a REP team,
who are going to play other great players. It's not
really an issue of talent and it's certainly not an
issue of motivation and will. It's figuring out what have

(01:52:36):
I got to do to unify this group and get
them all heading in the one direction and doing it
in a way which allows them to play to their
full potential.

Speaker 28 (01:52:47):
And you know, in the past some.

Speaker 10 (01:52:48):
Coaches have gone, well, I'm going to bring them in,
got a model, and I'll make everybody play to my model,
my system, and then other coaches will go, well, you know,
instead of me telling them what I want them to
do for me or to play my way, the smarter
way to go seems to be to get to know

(01:53:08):
the players really well and understand them almost as well
as their home coach will, and then in that context,
creating an environment where they can really play at their
full potential, but within that single focus. But yeah, it's
a tricky one because, as you say, coot, often they've
got no time to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Just on the time factor. Then what is the best
use of limited time and a situation like this, what
should I mean there must be one hundred things you
could focus on. What are the most valuable things to
focus on?

Speaker 9 (01:53:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:53:43):
I think the general belief, and that you haven't talked
to a lot of REP team coaches over the years,
is you've got to make some assumptions. So you know,
if you're coaching at club level, there's an assumption that
you can improve fitness, and there's an assumption you're going
to improve skill level, and you're working on all these things.

(01:54:05):
I think you've got the best the best. You've got
to assume they can catch a ball. You've got to
assume they can pass a ball. You can make some
assumptions about things that you don't have to do and
you can eliminate them. So so well, you know, we
might do a little bit of skills work in practice,
but we don't have to do that because these are
the best players in the game. So we don't have

(01:54:26):
to do a lot of basic stuff or speed work
or conditioning.

Speaker 28 (01:54:30):
You don't have to do any of that stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:54:32):
In the majority of REP teams because you're going to assume.

Speaker 18 (01:54:35):
They're doing that.

Speaker 10 (01:54:36):
Anyway, The things that matter that you've got to prioritize. Okay,
what are the things that are going to stop us
from winning. They're going to be skill execution in that environment,
so that's a mental and a physical thing. Or it's
going to be cohesion of playmakers. So if you look
at U South Wales in the current state of ourgent team,
they've got playmaker Cleary, they've got playmaker Moses. They've got

(01:54:59):
people who are normally running the show developing the players
who are directing play around the field, who are now
side by side. The message, the best message I've ever
got on this from a REP coaching friend of mine.
He just said two words, simplify, clarify. He said, don't
over complicate these guys, don't over coach them, don't be

(01:55:23):
overly hung up on detailed game plans. Simplify the situation
in the environment and clarify it because they will then
do the rest. The biggest mistaken I think he's totally
right REP coaches make is they over complicate the REP
environment believing that they've got to do something extraordinary or different.

(01:55:44):
I think it's the It's a great case and argument
for under coaching.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Simplify, clarify. A lot of businesses could take note of
that as well, and I'm sure some writing notes as
they listen to you say the words. The nature of
REP teams as well, Wayane, is that they often bring
together players who are captains at their club, and, if
not captains, certainly part of the leadership team at their
clubs because they are so good, they're often seeing your players.

(01:56:11):
How do you manage the too many Chiefs and not
enough Indians syndrome and a REP team?

Speaker 10 (01:56:18):
Yeah again, point it's I know it does them simplify,
say simplify, but that's really, what it comes down to
is when they're in their team, their role, one of
their main roles is to lead the team to make
the key decisions about how they were they going to
take a penalty or whatever it might be, but they're
going to make those.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
Key on field decisions.

Speaker 10 (01:56:40):
I think the key is getting them together, getting the
leaders together and say, right, guys, how are we going
to make this work? The quarte offen or have found
that the players have already figured it out. So I
have no doubt saying New South Wales for example, and
Queensland have just masters at it with the people that
they've got as well, and in all rep teams, quite

(01:57:01):
often the players have already got a solution that they
will come to you with. And I think that's the
beauty of the modern era is that we've gone from
a coach sitting there and figuring out right, you will
do that, and you will do that, and then hoping
it works. The beautiful thing we've got now, Ponty, with
this player empowerment model that you see all over the world,

(01:57:24):
is it quite often the players have already out of
coffee and or hopefully not too many beers, but they've
already had a meeting and said how are we going to.

Speaker 18 (01:57:32):
Make this work?

Speaker 10 (01:57:33):
And they will go to the coaches and say, listen,
we're then thinking about this. We know each other's game,
we played each other, and we think the best way
forward is this.

Speaker 29 (01:57:42):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:57:42):
Of course the coach can say thanks dollars, I'm the coach,
I'm running the show. But what I see, certainly with
modern coaches, is they're going if I'll let these guys
know what they're doing, assuming that they're there because they're extraordinary,
and they'll come to you with solutions. That's the player
generated solutions quite offen the best and then the smart

(01:58:05):
you know what, it's a pretty good idea. I've also
what do you guys think about this? And they'll work
together with a solution. But I don't think it's a
problem like it was about you do what I say,
you follow my bill. You see this collaborative approach, and
it's all about the players coming up with solutions because

(01:58:26):
in the end they're going to deliver the result.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
I just want to ask a question, and it doesn't
really relate to the origin teams because the only name
twenty in their squad, you know, the starting thirteen in
the reserves. Sorry to change in the reserves, but in
the British and Irish Lions it's a big squad that
Andy Farrell has to manage when he brings them down Under.
And everybody in the British and Irish Lions squad is

(01:58:50):
used to being a main player for their national team
and for their club team. But on a British and
Irish Lions tour, some of them are going to be
fringe players on that tour. How do you manage those blocks?

Speaker 10 (01:59:03):
Yeah, that's a really good one, is right at the
beginning of the tours. I've been lucky to be involved
in a couple of big tours of that nature. But
what you've got to do right at the beginning is
be very clear again on what is the overall objective
of the tour. It is to destroy the Wallabies. That's

(01:59:24):
all that they will be concerned about. And that's the
collective focus. That's the goal and objective of the coaches,
the doctor, the physios, the massage, the assistant coaches and
of course all the players united under that single goal.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
And within that.

Speaker 10 (01:59:43):
Once that's established is that's what we're here to do, guys,
it will be no compromises, that's what we're here to do.
Then it goes from being.

Speaker 18 (01:59:51):
What is our role?

Speaker 10 (01:59:53):
And the importance of this I can't stress enough is
that everybody in any rep team, even if it's a
relatively jenior team, the clarity of roles and responsibility in
the achievement of the collective objective. Well, that should be
the name of a books, the collective objective, but pattern

(02:00:13):
pended pine golfspit but because someone will pitch that one.
But you know that's the thing is to say, as
a group, guys, collectively, what are we here to do.
We're here to go home through ZIP ideally with the
best four and against, to win all the leading games,
to be uncompromising and relentless in our execution.

Speaker 9 (02:00:32):
Okay, we all get that.

Speaker 10 (02:00:33):
What role can you play in order for us to
deliver that outcome? And even if you'll player number twenty
seven on the selection list, that if your role is
to provide a great training environment, support the fifteen and
the players on the bench, to drive them hard in training,

(02:00:54):
to play some sort of organization or management role, if
that's your role to contribute to the collective outcome, then
you do that better than anyone.

Speaker 9 (02:01:04):
When I know.

Speaker 10 (02:01:04):
When I work with proteins pinty, I'll often say to
physiotherapists or nutritionists or sits, I'll say, are you striving
to be the best in your role in this competition?
Because if you're not, you're a loose coggan this organization.
Because the players and the coaches are striving in everything

(02:01:25):
they do to achieve their outcome and winning a competition
or winning a tour, and everyone associated with the team
has to have the same mindset that even if I'm
a massage therapist, am I striving every day to be
the best massage therapist that has ever been associated with
the British and Irish Lions, the best massage therapist has
ever been involved in rugby at international level anywhere in

(02:01:48):
the world. And if everyone buys into that that I've
got a role, I've got a job which is consistent
with being the best in the world or best in
the competition, best in the region, then things work very smoothly.
And you gave that Simplicity and clarity is the two
most powerful weapons that you've got.

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
I'll never leave a conversation with you, Wayne without being
enhanced in terms of my wisdom and my knowledge around
the coaching philosophies that you in part for a living with,
my friend, thank you for giving us the benefit of
your knowledge, expertise and wisdom as always, look forward to
doing it again soon. Yes and not have to finish

(02:02:30):
of course on come on your spurs of course yes,
Tottenham fan Wayne Goldsmith, congratulations to you on that as well.
Wayne Wayne Goldsmith, one of our regulars on the show.
WG Coaching dot Com is this website if you want
to find out more about the work that Wayne does.
Eight to three News Talks.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
He'd be breaking down the hail Mary's and the EMPI
fails weekends for it with Jason M. News Talk ZMB.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Five to three. Final work today goes to Gunner on
text party. Congratulations to my Chiefs now with respect. Please
don't be confused with arrogance. I knew my Chiefs would win,
but not by that margin. Reasons Number one, we Wana
struggle with a back to back results, especially with their
great win against the Blues last week. And number two,
I feel the Chiefs this year, especially more evident after
the Crusaders game, have a good simple plan, lay a

(02:03:18):
good platform with their starting forwards and the bench forwards
who are normally big reserve all blacks forwards who carry
direct and make plenty of yardage basically create a constant
battering of the opposition, which De Mack and co get
excellent front football from and have time and space to
weave their magic. Good observation. They're gunner to the score
last night. It was like a bad day on the
cricket field, he says, eighty five for seven. I'm hoping

(02:03:41):
it's our year, third time lucky. Thank you, Gunner, and
thank you for listening into the show. This afternoon, Tim
Beveridge is on the radio after three o'clock with the
Weekend Collective. Massive thanks to Andy McDonald for producing today
and our on site at Tyler Streetsport yesterday. Enjoy a
relaxing afternoon, mate. We're back tomorrow on Sports Talk between
seven and eight. Taking us out today during Kiwei Music Month,

(02:04:03):
I wanted to pay tribute to the Chiefs, so I
found a Hamiltonian Jenny Morris, from that fine part of
the country. She might actually be from Takaoa. It's still
chief country, isn't it, you?

Speaker 19 (02:04:16):
I know?

Speaker 3 (02:04:16):
Taking us out see tomorrow night. Bpe it out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
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