Full Show Podcast: 31 May 2025

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Friday night Super Rugby. In the books, the Chiefs have

(00:51):
confirmed they will top the regular season table.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Strikes it down the middle, it goes McKenzie's been good
tonight and it is all over here at Forsyth Bars Stadium,
at the Chiefs running out winners.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Forty one to twenty four and the Crusaders locking up
second place with a late win over the Brumbies. George
Bell has the ball under his left arm.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's not going anywhere at first instance from the Crusaders.
Now they get a second jump, Bell breaks down the
point George Bell over the line, scores a try. Bells
bringouts across camp right, George Bell score the try, Crusaders
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And held on to it. So one two, three, Chiefs, Crusaders,
Brumbies locked in. They will each host a finals match
next weekend but against two. The Hurricanes and Reds are in,
but only one of them can finish fourth obviously and
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playoff format. Hurricanes v. More Wanna pecipacate tonight sky Stadium,
then reads against Beg and Drewer in Brisbane and to
get Super Saturday Underway Blues Waratahs at Eden Park, both
still in top six content. The winner stays alive and
will then hope that Mowana lose if they are to

(02:13):
squeak in. So three games to go and we probably
won't know until close to midnight what the situation is.
Whatever happens, we will have the wash up for you tomorrow.
All of the New Zealand based head coaches who are
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show tomorrow. Clayton McMillan, check, rob Enny Check, Clark Laidlaw check.

(02:36):
But who else Vern Cotton, maybe Tana Umanger. Maybe that's
all to be decided in the next twelve hours or so.
Kicking us off on the show today though, is the
unsavory side of rugby sideline abuse of match officials. It
has gotten so bad that one provincial union has threatened
to cancel senior club rugby matches in response to the

(03:00):
escalating levels of abuse that they are receiving. It's the
holofinuer Cup but a union, their CEO, Corey Kennett, standing
by the chat to us, then, I want your stories
and your solutions on sideline abuse. How do we stop it?
How do we stop this and how bad has it got,
not just in rugby but another sport as well, particularly

(03:23):
at the grassroots level. Other matters around today go to
talk some cricket. It seems rather unseasonal given the fact
that it's winter tomorrow. But Tim Southey with us just
after two. He's got a new job with the England
team as a specialist skills coach. Gotta find out more
about that and how he looks back on his Black
Caps career with a bit of time to reflect. Dylan
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(03:45):
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down to four and Gary Steered is not on it.
Who is and who gets the gig? Dylan Clever after
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the the US Women's Open after two. Aedim Peacock out
of Australia and his regular slot. Just a word on
Liam Lawson as well. He's starting to get the hang
of this, isn't he this f one stuff? He's recorded

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a pair of top ten finishes and practice at the
Spanish Grand Prix. Qualifying will take place overnight tonight, but
he was sixth in practice one and tenth in practice two.
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Speaker 1 (05:11):
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Speaker 2 (05:19):
The Hot Off. A Carpety rugby union has taken the
unprecedented step of threatening to cancel senior club rugby matches
in response to escalating abuse towards their match officials. The
final straw came when an official last weekend was threatened
with being stabbed after he made a decision in a

(05:41):
club rugby game. After a meeting between the union and
its clubs and officials as well, it was decided any
further instances of serious referee abuse would lead to the
cancelation of an entire round of club rugby matches for
a weekend holif to a carpety. Rugby Union Chief executive
Corey Kennett is with us on Weekend Sport. Corey, thanks

(06:04):
for taking the time. This sounds bad. How bad has
the abuse of referees become at grassroots?

Speaker 5 (06:14):
It's bad. It's a nationwide epidemic and it's bad. There's
no area, no provincial union in New Zealand that isn't affected,
and it's bad. What I do have to say is
it is across all sports and sadly it's a mirror
of the degradation and society of respect in particular for

(06:36):
authority figures, but also for volunteerism for community servants. So yeah,
it's bad out there, mate.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Do you think it's gotten worse?

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Absolutely, as we've seen in the last I'm seventeen years
in as CEO and it's definitely got worse in my time.
And what we're seeing is is the more severe incidents. Sadly,
speaking with n Z are you know you've we've got
referees at least one a year being physicallys assaulted to

(07:12):
the point where they need medical attention at least once
a year. Once again, we see this in other sports
and the news of you now and again, sadly quite
often in a child's game, but more often than a
men's game. We have a teenage rugby game and Gibsman
the other day spectator came on felt within their rights

(07:33):
to get involved in a fight. That whole lack of
standing up to the values that underpin our great game
in community, sport in general has just been degraded, and
so referee abuses has been degraded as part of that.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
As I say, you've taken what is an unprecedented step
of saying, look, if this carries on, we're going to
cancel Club Rugby, we're not going to play our games here,
which would be, as I'm sure you would agree, a
great shame for the vast majority of those who participate
in rugby, playing, refereeing, spectating in a in the right way.

(08:11):
Do you expect to have to follow through with with this, Well.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
The I'm inherently positive, Piney, So that so the enduring
hope is that it doesn't have to happen. Our whole community,
as you said, are behind the decision and they all
feel the same. But if we need to, we will.
We're prepared to pull the trigger. We have people clubs

(08:38):
that have all all signed up to this, realizing that
their club may do nothing wrong, but because of the
actions of someone else, they might miss out on footy
for the weekend. But you know what, what what we
talked about, Piney in our meeting is inertia is not
an option. We just can't watch this move by and
do nothing. We've got to do something, and we've got

(08:59):
to stand up for these these hard working volunteers. One
of the one of the rests who's came along to
our meaning that we made the decision, and I know
personally that he has had three cases of serious abuse
over five years and he was one of the ones
that was affected last weekend.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
And do you know what he did three.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Days later, Piney, He went and put his boots on
and refft again. So these these people are just absolutely
sold of the Earth's community servants and they have they
have suffered some pretty hoorendous stuff. So we've got to
back them.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Let's let's get our cards on the table here, Corey.
What sort of abuse are we talking about here? Look,
I don't expect you to include the swear words, which
no doubt are part of this. But but what is
the level of abuse that has been received by some
of your match officials to.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Doing a referee to to to get ft or your
e f and joking is now seen as relatively low level,
of course prosecuted to the full extent of the regulations
we can. What we're talking about is comments, and they've
got to say that we're seeing a huge increase in
severity from spectators. So the players and the coaches and

(10:22):
the management have in general been the best group. Spectators
thrown away discussing comments like good luck getting home, I'm
going to follow you to the car park, that sort
of low level cowardly statements. But the referee I was
just talking about who not only volunteers as a refeels

(10:44):
a volunteers and helping to run the Referees Association. So
he was shouldered by a player running past disgruntled with
the decision. The next one who was verbally abused and
told that he was going to get beaten up as
well as being shouldered, and then was hit with a
piece of field equipment in the foot. So there's a

(11:09):
referee who is going to go out and give up
his time, his time away from his far no possibly
take time off work, and he's had to suffer that
sort of crap, right, So that's the sort of level.
And what I would say in those instances I've told
you there would probably only put us about mid table
if we were to do a table of the worst offenses.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
This is utterly appauling, Cory.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
This.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
This is just horrendous. And the word that you've used
a few times a few times there volunteers, not that
it matters, not that you should you know, feel that
you could have viewed someone like Ben O'Keefe because he's
a professional referee, but these are volunteer officials copping the
wrath of players and spectators. How do how do we

(11:55):
stop this?

Speaker 5 (11:57):
So we just need to we we recognize it's one
of these situations where you may never ever get rid
of it completely. And we're saying this is a million
miles apart from our oh come on, reef, Oh you're joking, reef,
compared to what we're talking about. But what we need
is all of community, multifested approach where everybody that has

(12:21):
evolved in that event can say that's not good enough.
You know, there's many things that used to happen in
society that used to be seen as oh well, that's
not the end of the world. They are not tolerated today.
Many many subjects, right, We just need to be able
to all work together as a community, and so identification.
Calling out people don't put yourself in a position of danger,

(12:44):
but calling out these people, identify them, go to the
regulatory bodies, and then the regulatory bodies they need to
show some of the paverbials and prosecute these people as
to the full extent that they can. Big bands showing
this is not part of what holds up the pillars
of our values and integrity that hold up our sport.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
You've made a stand as a union. What about the
individual clubs Chorea? Are they responsible for the behavior of
those connected to their club or is that a bit
difficult when a guy might just be wandering by a
game of rugby, not necessarily a fan of that of
that club or one of the clubs playing just you know,
stands on the sideline with no real connection to the club,

(13:26):
if you know what I mean. To the clubs themselves,
can they have any responsibility here?

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Well?

Speaker 5 (13:31):
You've nailed in one pointed that there is a black hole.
The randoms. We call them the guys that the people sorry,
who just turn up to games, no real connection, definitely
not club members. So for us, that's a general police
matter once again, if we get some sort of identification.
Rugby in particular is a very small, interconnected game, so

(13:54):
we'll be able to find out the people if we
can get some details at the starting point. But the
clubs are going to say so, we've got eight clubs.
There's no one club that is worse than the other.
There's no one standout that is having more horrendous abuse.
When they do find issues, our clubs have been fantastic.
They self police, we've had we have social media campaigns

(14:18):
they'll go through. They all have codes of conduct and
if you're a member of one of our clubs then
and you do something where you step out of line,
then you're in trouble. So the clubs are doing what
they can, but you're right, the randoms the general public
that has left to us. And then for more severe
instances obviously a police matter.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Have you got New Zealand rugby backing? Is there anything
the national body can do to help.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Injured have been fantastic. We are great support in guidance
from them. They've been really really good. They're available for us,
and they have been brilliant and sharing initiatives. And Bryce
Lawrence in particular and has Cared done a great job
in supporting our initiatives. But all so the initiatives of

(15:07):
other pus that's forever helping and guiding us. So no engineer,
I have done a great work in this space, and
so have the other pus, the other provincial unions or
idea swapping initiative, swapping what we can do because there's
nobody that wants us to continue, right or there is
maybe one small area of society to think it's okay

(15:32):
to do. But besides that, nobody wants us. So it's
a real combined approach to try and combat it.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
You're not You're right. Nobody who is truly invested in
sports at a community level, at any level, wants to
wants this to be the case. Congratulations Corey on taking
some leadership in the space. Inertia is not an option.
I love that. Now understand. Nextly, there's no no club
ragby this weekend?

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The King's birthday. So next weekend is your first chance
to kind of I guess test the water on this.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Well, you're right, no club ragby this weekend. Our clubs
every season we get together. The clubs set this schedel
and the regulations. They set our participation agreement, which we're
so proud of. So it's a real collaborative, consultative approach.
And so we have this weekend off. But we actually
had a game last Wednesday, mate, which was in the
midst of this has already been released and we didn't

(16:23):
have any issues at all, so I was very proud
of that. In fact, we've had feedback already that there
were some players on the field that we're making more
of an effort to adhere to the to the laws.
Once again referring to what I said before, players, coaches
and managers are less of thann Is shoe. But that

(16:43):
was great to see that it's already some impact. But yes,
you're right. A week today will be a first round
of club rugby and then we'll obviously be watching that
and hoping that we get through the rest of the
season without any further incidents.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, well done mate, Well again, congratulations on the stance
You've taken good to get the chance to chat. I
hope the next time we chat we're talking about the
next Carlos Spencer or Christian Cullen coming out of your union.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, that'd be great, hey, Plony. Can I finish on
a positive note if I can? Just to shout out
to Marline Kennett, who turned eighty on Thursday. An absolute
fantastic lady, my mum, So love you mom, every best.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Love it Corey, great to chat mate, Enjoy your long weekend.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Cheers, plonyete see you mate.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
That is Corey Kennett, CEO of Holopinmer Company Rugby Football Union.
All right, can I have your stories and your solutions?

Speaker 9 (17:38):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? What is wrong with people?
Physical abuse of grassroots referees necessitating hospital treatment at a
club rugby game? Club sports? Not that abuse of officials
at any level is okay, but at club level, how

(18:02):
can you possibly get yourself into a state of mind
you are so incensed by a decision made by a
volunteer referee at a club game that you abuse them
verbally or even worse physically. How does somebody get themselves
into that state? How embarrassing?

Speaker 8 (18:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
One challenge in Corey identified it there is that club
rugby club sport is often played more often than not
actually an open public spaces. At the elite level, people
can be banned from venues right if you're abusive inside
a you know, I don't know, a sky stadium or
at Eden Park or wherever. It doesn't matter where you know,
like someway you pay to get into to watch your

(18:47):
team play. If your behavior falls below a certain line,
they can say, look, you're not coming back. Stadium bands
are common, right, How do you ban someone from a
public park? If you are a volunteer referee in any sport,
not just rugby, rugby, league, cricket, football, basket ball, do

(19:08):
you cop it? Can I hear stories? How often has
it gotten worse? And how do you deal with it?
At the end of the day, people volunteer to referee
grassroots sport because they love the game and they want
to stay involved or be involved in it. Why would

(19:33):
you Why would you do it? Honestly if you knew
that you're turning up to referee a game between I
mean as again, FIFA are not waiting on the edge
of their seats for them for the result. Of a
lower league football game. It ain't that deep, as my

(19:53):
son would say, it ain't that deep. So why would
a volunteer official continue to turn up if they knew
they were just going to cop fearful abuse? I just
I just find another way to spend my set of afternoon.
I'd find other ways to use my time. Is there
something that happens across other sports? Oh, eight hundred and

(20:15):
eighty ten eighty. I really want some actual stories here,
particularly if you're a volunteer who has picked up a
whistle and said, yeah, I'll take control of this game.
What sort of what sort of abuse do you get?
Or look, we can turn around and get we can
get some good stories on too, hopefully of times where

(20:39):
it has been it has been good. Look, I don't
tell you. I used to referee my son's football matches
when he was he would have been eight or nine
years old. It happens at that level. It's astonishing, really,
you know, why would you turn up to watch your
kid play an eight or nine year old game of
football and be in such a state of mind that

(21:03):
you want to question the referees' decisions in an eight
year old's football match. For goodness sake. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two is
our text line. Let's get to the lines. Alan, Hello, Okay,
how are you good?

Speaker 8 (21:21):
Ellen?

Speaker 10 (21:22):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (21:22):
Look, I'm I'm not a referee and I'm not involved
in any particular club that I have played sport and
know what abuse has gone on for decades. But if
it's getting worse to me, it's got to be a
community thing as well as a club thing, and people
have got to be prepared to stand up to someone

(21:44):
expressing abuse or threatening and just stand them down or
steer them down. It's not acceptable behavior.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
How do you do that, though, Ellen and Allen?

Speaker 12 (21:55):
How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
If a person isn't I mean, yes, if a person's
a club member of yours thing, then absolutely I totally
agree with you. If if a person is an affiliated
member to a club or someone who comes along to
support the premes every week and their behavior is just
getting out of hand, then yes, I think the club
does have that responsibility. But how are you supposed to
police those you know?

Speaker 11 (22:17):
Those well, I don't know that you can actually actively
police them, as it were, but I think that if
you're in a group of people and someone's sounding off.
I think that it's the social responsibility for the for
the people around to also uphold the standards, and so
as a group collectively, if you like, they should be

(22:37):
prepared to say that is not acceptable behavior because it's
not anywhere else, so why should it be allowed, you know,
at a sports ground. I totally agree more people, if
you get more people saying that, Okay, someone's got to
be the first to stand up, but other people have
to be prepared to support, and it's just making that

(23:01):
first step.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yep. Ellen, look I I I agree with you totally.
I think the clubs you're right, and I've just got
an email to this effect from Chris in Australia. Jason, Mate,
it's the club's responsibility to target and out these mongrels
bringing down the reputation of their club being rude to refs.
We had a couple of bad, bad eggs at our club.
We warned them and then told them it's time to go.

(23:26):
It's time to have marshals at clubs to protect the
ref and other people. Thanks Chris, appreciate your email. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Hadley Andrew please hold there
with you right after this. Heaps are texts coming through
as well. But stories is what I'm after here is
you know, I want really real, actual stories, particularly if

(23:46):
you've been an official and copped it. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty twelve thirty back in a moment.

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Speaker 2 (24:01):
They'd be twenty seven to one, Dave says Ponty. Great
interview with Corey. He spoke with passion. Great to see
him taking a hard line. Our union also taking a
very hard view on this. Good to hear Hadley, Thanks
for holding mate. How are you hey?

Speaker 9 (24:15):
I'm fine?

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Are you okay?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm doing all right? Yeah, Now you've got some experiences
in the UK.

Speaker 13 (24:21):
Yeah, just recently back, I just thought maybe that's interesting
that what's happening over there for me coaching kids at
a high school level, so not refereeing, but being on
the sideline, it seems really code specific there where soccer's
pretty horrendous even just you know, the amount of use
being directed at the referee is horrendous, whereas rugby has

(24:43):
remained that you kind of feel gentlemanly.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, what are you seeing back here?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
How long have you been met for?

Speaker 13 (24:51):
Only a few months, so I to be honest, I
haven't seen any I've sat and watched my old cricket
team playing cricket and there's been nothing I've seen that
looks nasty there. So I haven't watched an yet of
the soccer. All the rugby over here since I've come back.
I think from London, I wouldn't take my kids to
watch like club soccer on a Saturday because of the

(25:13):
amount swear words, just just throwing at the referee constant
every call. I argue, just like on TV, but it's
nine o'clock Saturday morning. Same with the little kids. Maybe
not with as much swear word, but everyone just at
the referee the whole time. So if you're a coach
of a school team, you know I would tell the
parents and the kids in my team you don't argue

(25:34):
with the ref if the kid fires up from there,
I from refereeing. I just asked them the cruise off
the field, and then their coach is normally pretty unhappy
because I don't see why something's gone wrong. But I
guess I'm still thinking thirty years ago when I was
a kid, that was the rules, so I haven't shifted
from that.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, and I think I think coaches do have a
big role to play here, Hadley. I think you're right.
They can't cure everything. You're right, but at the very
least they can they can give the message to their players. Okay,
the referee's decision is final. You might absolutely disagree with it,
you might hate the decision, but at least what we
can do is is not calling into question. It's a

(26:11):
lot harder with spectators though, isn't it. But then again,
having said that, if you're coaching kids, you can bring
their parents into that conversation, can't you.

Speaker 13 (26:17):
Yeah, and I think if everyone watches it on TV,
if what's taking on TV isn't a hardline, then every
kid and every parent watches that and they reproduce that
on a Wednesday night, very Saturday morning. So for soccer
football especially, the fas have just let the cat out
of the you know, they've just I've lost it because
every kid watches every favorite player abusing every referee on

(26:39):
Saturday and nothing happens. Whereas rugby fill still feels like
it's in control. It's a yellow card, it's a red card.
Kids know they can't do it, so they don't do it.
Parents know they can't do it. So I don't know
if that's the case with soccer and New Zealand because
they haven't gone and coached any or watched any. But
it's really unpleasant in England now.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, and that's so much hearing you say you wouldn't
take your kids along to watch a game of club sport?
I mean, is that where we are now? I mean,
I hope we're not here. Look, I get the passion
for football in England. It's not excusing it, but you
know it's it's it's so steeped in history and you
know there's a lot of passion wrapped around the game
over there. But I would hate to think that we

(27:18):
have reached a point where taking your kids along to
watch a game of club sport that might involve I
don't know, made of yours or an uncle, I don't
know anyone. I'm not going to take them because they're
going to be they're going to be exposed to this
sort of stuff.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (27:30):
Yeah, I hope that it will get stopped in New Zealand,
saying worth going to watch soccer team. I liked having
season tickets Premier League, going and watching for seven years
or some mates from New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
But in London there in the end.

Speaker 13 (27:43):
We moved our seats because we just couldn't handle the
like the just the horrendous nature of what's being said
where we were sitting from the people around us aimed
at our team and it's other spectators. We're like, wow,
we can't actually we don't want to deal with us anymore.
So that's just past of the course. That's normal there
and accepted. No one's kicked out of the ground for
racist you know, like unkind things being sworn. It's little

(28:05):
kids doing the fingers of that type of stuff, t
wearing out. So that's all acceptable in the Premier League.
So obviously it's acceptable for the amateur stuff on the weekend.
So't I don't know. I'm interested if someone says what
it's like in New Zealand And I hope it's not
quite there.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, well let's let's see. Helly, thanks for calling, mate,
appreciate your time.

Speaker 13 (28:23):
Yeah, nice cool bot, but all the best.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
By one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.

Speaker 14 (28:29):
Hey Rachel, Hi Puny, how are you doing doing well?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Doing well?

Speaker 8 (28:33):
Now?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Your dad used to ref rugby.

Speaker 15 (28:35):
Yeah, he refreed seenior club rugby in christ Church. And
there was one particular story that he told me about
a game. He was a young boy on the wedding
or Senior Clay rugby day would have been in the twenties,
and he probably wasn't having his best game, but his
dad was taking a lot of exception to it and
giving him absolute grief from the sideline, and my dad

(28:56):
was monitoring at and then it got to a point
where at halftime the dad actually came onto the field
and assaulted his hutting him about the heat. So my
dad stopped the game. Was the game that we're not
carrying on unless you leave the ground. But of back
and forth, the man actually ended up leaving, but before
the end of the game returned to try and attack

(29:18):
my dad with a piece of orbitwo.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Oh, lovely, he sounds like a he sounds like a wonderful,
upstanding gentleman. So he was abusing his own son out
there for the way that his son was not performing
up to his standards, presumably correct.

Speaker 15 (29:34):
It was really really sad, and members of the public,
you know, other supporters and people watching. Philip tried to
get him to settle down and pull his head in,
but he wasn't having it. Dad's pretty good at the escalation.
He's been involved in rugby as his whole life and
seeing everything. But yeah, in this particular time, the yeah,
the guy came back and catacracked and few people jumped

(29:57):
in to help out, and nothing too serious ended up happening.
My dad wasn't It didn't get hash or anything, but
the union stepped in and he was banned. But like
you said, the public field it's pretty hard or impossible
to police. So that enough, either when I watched his
son again or what the story was. But yeah, not

(30:18):
just random I mean they're not emotionally invested. I don't
think in the game, So I don't know that random's
are really the issue getting stuck in.

Speaker 16 (30:25):
I do think it's more people that have got some
form of emotional.

Speaker 15 (30:29):
Connection to the players or the clubs. So yeah, that's
that's just my perspectus.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Did you I mean, did your dad sort of? I mean,
this is an extreme example of bloke coming back with
a bit of full by two but did he did
he regularly sort of you know, get the come on
reef from the sideline kind of stuff as well.

Speaker 15 (30:49):
Absolutely, But he's he's physically fit and strong and mentally
as well, and he didn't sort of stuffer any fools.
He was really good with his communication with the players,
and he was I mean, I'm pretty proud of him.
He was consistent through the game, like the rule it
a certain way, or sourcing a certain way, it works

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that way for both teams and they needed to adjust
and his communication was really good, so he didn't put
up with too much garbage. But yeah, it's going back
ten years, so it's not a new phenomenon. It's been
happening a long time.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
But yeah, keep said threatening them.

Speaker 15 (31:27):
I say, look, if you carry on, you're off.

Speaker 16 (31:29):
It's a simple that.

Speaker 15 (31:30):
Don't know how you parented me.

Speaker 10 (31:33):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I love it. You're not off to p Tony by
any chance today?

Speaker 14 (31:36):
Are you?

Speaker 15 (31:37):
I am hitting there right now.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Big day, one hundred.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
And fortieth anniversary for your club today.

Speaker 15 (31:43):
I understand it has got old faux pornickie that we're
playing against today, so it should be anesome occasion.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Good on your I hope the hope the sideline behavior
matches the occasion. Rachel, good to Jet, yours always.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Thank you, you take here you too?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.
Will take a break in a moment. But Andrew, could
I mate?

Speaker 17 (32:06):
God? They yeah, I mean it's it's really changed.

Speaker 18 (32:11):
I mean back in my day, which sir plus years ago,
you know, you might have a bit of biffer on
the field between players and the whole team gets together
and the last five minutes of the match there's a
big box up and the ref just walks off and
just whatever.

Speaker 17 (32:28):
But there's no sideline interruption. You know, people on the sideline.
Where is this come from? You know what I mean,
It's just like you know my day. You just end
up going back to the club. We're in, shake hands,
have a couple of beers and it's all over right,
good day, great raby game, yep. And and but where

(32:52):
is the sideline interruption? And come what's causing it?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Well it's a great question, Andrew. And look here's the
question that we're all asking ourselves. How can somebody at
a club rugby game or a club football game or whatever,
a grassroots game get to a level where there's seven
sense with that volunteer out there, who's basically a guy
who's just given up his time on the weekend to
ref the match. How could he get so angry that
he that he's verbally abusing him or even worse, we.

Speaker 18 (33:23):
Knew spoke badly about the wref The wrist goes, yeah,
he can't do this, do that?

Speaker 12 (33:28):
You got We.

Speaker 17 (33:30):
All red carded games over and we'd laugh about it
and go back to the club rooms.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
But means knowing like anger at the wrist, Yeah, I
think referees have always been on the end of that,
oh you know, come on, ref that sort of stuff,
and that's that's very different from what we're talking about here, Andrew.
But yeah, the escalation of the sideline stuff has been
has been worrying in the last little while. And at

(33:58):
kids games, I mean, goodness me, what are we doing?
Seventeen to one back in a moment.

Speaker 12 (34:02):
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Speaker 2 (34:11):
Dogs v fourteen to one Back to the lines fill
twenty six years of refereeing service. Congratulations made any stories
during that time.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
Oh you collect. I took it up when I was
forty and retired at sixty six.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
But love that.

Speaker 6 (34:28):
It's not as hard as what people think. And as
you get older, you just you can run the fat
man's track. I mean, if your referee properly be there
when they score that, when they score the tries in
the corner or whatever, you do it fourteen k. But
if you run the fat man's track, you can get
away with nine or ten. But it was It's a
great occupation. Really, I recommend it to anybody. But during

(34:48):
that time, I got up to senior first, but I
did lots of touring school boys because I was self employed.
And I got chased off the field and win knowing
I remember Martin, who was that guy on the Your
program but before you Martin.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Martin Martin Devlin Martin one.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
Yeah, he won't do a big story. But I wasn't
allowed that. I wasn't I wasn't chased by the players
spectator and then they started climbing all over the car and.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
You're in your car and they were climbing on your car.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
I ran to the car, yeah, and I got I
got hit twice at college I can't hit back because
just get wound up. So you can't do anything about that.
You just had to absorb it and the uh once
I ordered myself off because it was quite a grotesque game.
And I warned and warned. There was a senior senior

(35:43):
second and this guy had his back hanging out of
the rack, and this guy came in and kicked it.
You could almost hear a crunch. So I got my
big card out and I sort of called the guy that.
I pointed it at the guy and then I put
it on my forehead and I said, I'm red carding myself.
I left actators and the players on the field.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I'm having I'm not having any more this. This game
is done, all done.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Yeah, And I took about that. I've got four daughters
and a wife, and they got the poor dog mutis.
So it was a house of females and I had
no power. No one would listened. Try blowing, no one
would listen. So the only power was on the field.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I love that, Phil, I love that mate. Good on
you and well done on your service to it. I
think you're right.

Speaker 8 (36:31):
It is.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Look we're shining a light on the unsavory side. But
I know a lot of a lot of match officials
do get a heck of a lot out of it.
That's why they keep coming back. And I'll take the
odd bit of abuse, but not incessant stuff and certainly
not physical stuff. I'm glad you got away that day,
Phil when they started climbing on your car. I'll pass
your regards on to Martin next time I see him.
Good to hear from you, mate.

Speaker 14 (36:52):
Hello Trena, Hi, I just wanted to comment on you
had a young man on a couple of polls ago
talking about being in the UK and going to Premier
League games and all that kind of thing, and you know,
just being sickened by what was going on round about.
We've been in New Zealand Scottish originally. We've been in

(37:15):
New Zealand over twenty five years now and we came
over with my many age children and of course football
or soccer was.

Speaker 13 (37:21):
The game in the area that we lived in.

Speaker 14 (37:24):
But the thing that sickened me about it, even going
back that length of time, was not only the bigotary
around race and you know, whether you face fitted or not,
but there's also a huge religious figurtrey in soccer in
the UK in Europe, and I don't know if people
are really aware of that. And that's one thing, you know.

(37:46):
I was glad to escape in the UK to bring
our boys to New Zealand and they got involved in
rugby et cetera, et cetera, and they've had a wonderful time.
My husband coached, you know, their high school teams. I've
got a young grandson now who's eight and he's just
taken up football or soccer and I went to my
first game to watch him last weekend and it was lovely.

(38:08):
It was all very you know, PC and you know,
everybody was respectful, et cetera. And I hope that continues.
But I see the trend moving away from rugby towards
soccer in New Zealand, and I just you know, New
Zealanders seem to have this impression that soccer, you know,
the beautiful game. It's actually not.

Speaker 10 (38:26):
It's not.

Speaker 14 (38:27):
It attracts thugs, that attracts casuals, It attracts racist bigots,
religious bigots, everything. I mean, when you go back into
the UK, you've got the whole Celtic Rangers, then the Enharts,
Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Everton they're all divided amongst
religious it's all religion, Catholic, Protestant, every one of them.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So yeah, sorry, I've got to get to one more call.
But yeah, now you've you've you've learned on yeah, something
I think we were all aware of. And look, I
really sincerely hope that doesn't spill into what happens over here.
I hope your grandson and Joy it's his football journey
and I hope it stays the way you've said it is.
But yeah, some of the scenes we see, particularly that

(39:12):
elite level in the UK, are pretty horrendous. And you're right,
the divisions are off and down religious lines. Thanks for
your called Trina Owen, Hi, Hi, how.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
Are you good?

Speaker 13 (39:26):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (39:27):
My story is when I was young, I was playing
soccer for the team was called Burndale what's now called
the twenty eleven. My father was coaching me. We had

(39:47):
a game up in Rangiura and the Ranguura side half
the squad were female and we lost quite heavily to them.
They were really good soccer players. My dad was so
furious it was a cold winter's morning. He left me behind.
What he left me behind, and luckily a parent took

(40:13):
me home. But this was quite a regular occurrence.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
With my father.

Speaker 10 (40:17):
If we lost a game, especially if we were playing
away from home, he'd leave me behind.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
No offense, no offense to your family mate.

Speaker 8 (40:27):
But what.

Speaker 10 (40:29):
He was a very stripped scotchman. He expected high standards
from me, and I was the worst player on the
soccer field, and as a punishment, he would leave me behind,
especially if we were say like okay, the home ground
was Burnside Park. If we went to New Brighton and

(40:50):
I remember playing them, we lost, he would drive home
and I'd have to find my own way home.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I'm sorry that happened to you, Owen. I'm very sorry
that that happened to you. I'm out of time, unfortunately, mate,
but I don't have any words to describe that. I'm afraid.
Thank you for calling. Seven to one. Still can't quite
believe that call. A father leaving his son behind after

(41:19):
a game because he was disappointed with the game. I
was always told there are two questions you ask your
kid after a game of sport. One is did you
enjoy yourself? And the second is what would you like
to eat? That's it. Thanks for all your calls and
your texts. Will do this again one day cricket for
you after.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
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Speaker 12 (41:46):
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Speaker 2 (41:54):
Welcome in one O seven. I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald's
producing the show. It's called Weekend Sport. We're here till three.
Thank you for all your correspondence last hour. I could
not possibly get to all of the tech messages that
we're coming through thanks to those of you who called
through with your thoughts and your stories on sideline abuse. Hopefully,

(42:14):
hopefully this move by a Holofanua Carpany Rugby Union will
bear fruit. And what your hope is, it's not just
like okay, well we'll be you know, we'll mind our
manners for a week or two and then just revert
back to what we've always done. Hopefully it's something that
will have a consistent and hopefully long running effect. We'll

(42:39):
keep tabs. We will keep tabs. One point that was
made last hour, which I think is probably worth making
or reinforcing, is that at a lot of club sport
you can drink on the sideline. I know there are
some clubs, probably a lot of clubs that don't allow that.

(43:01):
But it happens, doesn't it. We've all seen it, people
drinking on the sideline. I mean, that's not what a
great recipe, is it? Really? Anyway, we could revisit this
another day. It's an interesting topic. I want to talk
some cricket. Even though tomorrow was the first official day
of winter, it's rather unseasonable, I know, unseasonal. But Gary

(43:24):
Stead looks as though he will no longer be black
Caps coach in any capacity. It's a seven year rain
which now appears to be coming to an end. Gary Stead,
of course, had already said he didn't want to coach
the white ball formats anymore, but he would be interested
in staying on as red ball coach for the black Caps.

(43:45):
He has not, though, been interviewed in any capacity for
that role or the overarching role. Obviously he couldn't be
because he didn't want to do the white ball stuff.
So Gary Stead will leave having fashioned arguably the greatest
record of any black Caps coach. A World Test Championship,
the three nil series victory in India, fifty over and

(44:08):
twenty over World Cup final appearances to his credit, So
I think his legacy will be pretty secure. But who
will get the gig? Now, who are the candidates and
who is most likely to get the gig? Let's bring
in Award winning sports writer and author of the superb
subscriber newsletter The Bounce, Dylan Cleaver. Dylan, presumably you're hearing

(44:31):
the same things that we are. Gary Stead's tenyu will end,
which presumably means that New Zealand Cricket have decided against
splitting out the coaching role between formats, having a red
ball coach and a white ball coach. They're not going
to do that.

Speaker 16 (44:47):
Yeah, essentially, I think there's a great reluctance to split
the roles, and I think that's understandable. It's been tried,
certainly in bigger programs around the world. England tried it,
but they tend to go back to the single head
coach system and within that kind of system you can

(45:08):
bring in specialist assistance for the different formats. But yeah,
my understanding is extremely likely to go with the single
head coach.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Do you think the players, particularly the white ball specialists,
would like the idea of split roles or not.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 16 (45:27):
I think, well, it's hard to say rearlier until until
you try it, I guess. But I think there's a
fundamental misand understanding of the head coach role in cricket.
I think with the different formats, your head coach is
more facilitated than anything. And because the modern cricket environment
is so fractured, so multi format, and players, the best

(45:50):
players in the world are going from franchise to franchise,
you know, team to team, format to format. They don't
want to go into environments where the head coach is
trying to tell them how to play cricket. Essentially, you
want a very consistent personality as your head coach, which
you want a very good organizer as a head coach,
and that's what Gary Stead became. And I think that

(46:12):
players had a great dealar respect for his consistency of
his personality, consistency of the selection as much as them
might have frustrated us at punters from time to time. Yeah,
and just consistency of that environment. And I think that's
what they crave more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
All right, Well, the names that have been banded around
as those who did get an interview former ball and
coach of Shane Bond and Shane Jurgenson, incumbent assistant Luke
Ronkey and former domestic and recent South African white ball
coach Rob Walter. Of that quartet, first of all, who
seems most suitable and secondly, who do you think will

(46:49):
get it?

Speaker 16 (46:53):
Yeah, it's a tough question. I guess Jurgensen has the
advantage that he was a long time part of that camp,
that black Caps camp, probably longer than than the others,
although Luke Ronky has been in and around the team
for a while now. I think Luke's big disadvantages He's

(47:13):
yet to have a big time head coach role, so
his experience has all been as an assistant. Rob Bolter
was the name that popped up almost immediately, wasn't it.
And I'm not certain it was a coincidence that he
left South Africa when he did, And my understanding was

(47:35):
perhaps one of the reasons he left that South African
system was because of the split head coach role and
the difficulties that wasn't getting guys in that have been
under a head coach at Red Bull and then you
just get them for a week or so and you're
head coaching them and the white ball and I think
it was an awkward fit there, so yeah, I mean,
I don't know, but I would.

Speaker 8 (47:58):
I would be.

Speaker 16 (47:59):
Mildly surprised if it wasn't Rob Walker. I think he's
got the depth of experience as a head coach got
into that role. But that's not to say that that's
the same way as the New Zealand Cricket board thinking.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
A name that's missing for me is Peter Fulton, multiple
championship winning coach in a bunch of formats for Canterbury,
former Test player himself of course, and white ball cricketer.
Was it a surprise to you that Peter Fulton's not
in this conversation?

Speaker 16 (48:28):
Absolutely a surprise to me that he didn't get an interview.
If that is the case and the jungle drums are true,
and before that you previously mentioned are the ones that
made the short list and got an interview, I would
have thought Peter Fulton did it how you meant to
do it. He was probably too early into that assistant
role within the Black Caps, probably realized that that he
needed to get out and get some head coach experience.

(48:51):
He's done that at Canterbury. He's done it extremely well.
Maybe the only Black Mark against his name is that
he has been a little insulated within that New Zealand
Canterbury system, maybe the high performer managers at New Zealand
Cricket field that he needs to get a slightly more
breadth of experience in coaching and perhaps needs to go

(49:13):
to either another association or coach overseas as well. But yeah,
I'm certainly surprised that he didn't at the very least
in an interview.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
All Right, well, I wait for the outcome of who
eventually does get the top job flying under the radar,
and I read this with interest in your latest newsletter.
We're all keen to see who the new black Caps
head coaches. But the head of high performance role is
also soon to be vacated by Brian Stronach, so he'll
need to be replaced as well. How important an appointment is?

Speaker 16 (49:43):
This massively important and not important all at the same time.
And let me explain that for a little bit there.
Brian Stronach was really highly regarded.

Speaker 19 (49:55):
He was really highly regarded by the players, and I
think he was really highly regarded within cricket circles in
New Zealand are the major associations, and that as a
completely ego free who just made sure things worked.

Speaker 16 (50:10):
And in that respect, it's a massively important role. You've
got to be that interface between the major six major associations,
between the national side, and as I mentioned before and
can mention that nauseam, the cricket world is just so
fractured and complicated at the moment. You need a superbly

(50:31):
organized guy in that head of high performance role, that
making sure everything is catered for the needs of the players,
the coaching staff, the major associations has catered for at
a time when more and more and more cricket has
been squeezed into the calendar, and you know, there's so
much more cricket being paid with a that's franchise level,

(50:53):
whether that's domestic, first class level, whether it's international level,
and yet there is still only three hundred and sixty
five days of the year. So that role is incredibly important.
Yet it will remain virtually annemous. I mean, there'll be
people listening to this now that they don't even know
who Brian Stronach is. And I think that's the way
he liked it, and I think that's the way the

(51:15):
guys who worked under him liked it too.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
All Right, and the other thing bubbling away is the
imminent release of New Zealand Cricket's centrally contracted list. They
centrally contract twenty players every year. This has changed a lot,
hasn't it in the last few years. Players the likes
of Cain, Williamson, Devon Conway, Blocky, Ferguson, Finellen sim ciphered.

(51:37):
They're not interested in central contracts anymore, are they?

Speaker 16 (51:41):
No, No, they're not. Well, probably for different reasons. You know,
Finale and then Tim Seifher to T twenty specialist, so
it makes sense for them to be available for as
many as the high paying T twenty gigs around the world.
With Cain it's slightly different. You know, he's at the
end of his career. He wants to be able to
sort of dictate his calendar. He's got a young family.

(52:04):
I think he's made it pretty clear the last four
or five years that his interest in playing bilateral white
bull cricketer as at an all time low. So again
it makes sense for him. He's going to have fewer
opportunities than the younger guys to go into just what
you'd call the nest egg phase of your career. But

(52:25):
that doesn't mean he's not interested in playing for New Zealand.
I still think in the right circumstances, he'd love to
be available for major tournaments and for Marquee Test Series,
And to be honest, and yes, that's up to the
new high performance manager and the new head coach of
the black Caps as to how much they would want
to indulge that. And you know, from a fans perspective

(52:47):
and certainly from a cricket journalist perspective, I think Kain
Williamson has certainly earned the right to be indulged and
I think anything we can do to extend that playing
career should be seriously considered.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Absolutely so, Matt Henry number one for you. I know
that I published the rankings they probably should, but Matt
Henry number one for you clear.

Speaker 16 (53:07):
By the length of straight for me, his his work
over the past twelve months in all formats has been phenomenal.
You know, him missing that G twenty final, I think
he has showed the importance of himself to that team.
You know, he's just turned into a machine like efficient

(53:30):
fast bowler, one of the best we've ever had. And
you know, people tend to forget he had to wait
in the wings a long time to get his opportunity,
and he and you know, his early results in international
cricket were not good at all. I think at one
point he was a guy who had the highest Test
bowling average for someone who played a minimum of ten
tests or something like that. So he has learned on

(53:51):
the job.

Speaker 19 (53:52):
He's terrific.

Speaker 16 (53:52):
I'm pretty sure Ratchet will be number two and Darren
Mitchell three. Then it gets a little bit sketchy under that.
I think I had Glenn Phillips as high as number
four in my list, and look, I love watching Glenn
Phillips play cricket, but you know, if he's done before
on the last he hasn't got a Test century, it's
maybe it's a bit of a lolly scramble under number three.

(54:16):
And I didn't have Henry Nichols making my top twenty.
But I think he actually will. I think he probably
will scrape into it. I think guys like Ajaz Patel
and East Sody might be dreadfully unlucky. And you'll see
some of you guys on there, like Zach Cloaks, Muhammed A.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Bass.

Speaker 16 (54:36):
I think, you know, probably Miss Reese, marry you. I'm
guessing a bit here, Piney and taking a few punts.
But that's probably the way I'm looking at it at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Educated punts. There's always from you, Dylan. People can read
your full list if they subscribe to The Bounce. Always
love chatting cricket with you, mate, even if it is
now winter eve. I think winter officially starts tomorrow. But
always great any.

Speaker 16 (54:59):
Cricket with you mate, Yeah you too, Piney, thank you, no.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Thank you mate. That is Dylan Cleaver. You can read him.
He's got a subscribe a newsletter called The Bounce, which
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drops into your email in box three or four times
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(55:23):
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eighty ten eighty couple of things. So Gary Steed's not
going to be coach anymore. I think that was probably expected.

(55:43):
I thought they might look at splitting the role. I
thought they might look at they'll read ball white ball thing,
even if they don't commit to it forever. They don't
have to England if chopped and changed. Remember speaking to
Ali Martin earlier this season, the very fine cricket journalist
from the UK, and chatting to me. He said, well,

(56:04):
we had split coaches, then we met back, and then
we went back again, and now Brinda mcallum was obviously
in charge of all of them. I thought they might
consider it, particularly given the fact that they might have
wanted Gary Stead to continue as Red Bull coach. Whether
that's you know that look that won't I'm sure be

(56:24):
the reason why they haven't decided to split it that
they wanted to get rid of Gary Stead. I'm pretty
sure that's not part of this conversation. But they knew
that by not splitting the roles that Gary Stead would
effectively not be involved anymore because he wasn't interested in
the white ball stuff. Said oh, Gary on and the
red bull stuff, if that's what you decide, But I
don't want to be all format coach anymore. By the

(56:45):
sounds of things, they're going to go with an all
format coach. Shane Bond Shane Jurgensen, Luke Ronkey and Rob
Walter are the four names that are being widely reported
as those on the short list. I was extremely surprised,
like Dylan not to see Peter Fulton's name there. I
think he's done a very good job and every coaching
assignment he has been handed highly regarded, guarded around domestic cricket,

(57:08):
particularly obviously in Canterbury where he does his work. I
thought he might be a shout. I don't think he's
any less credential than the others. Interesting that I at
the black Caps coach is not really a coach as such. Right,
They're not getting into the into the weeds, the nitty

(57:31):
gritty of really coaching a good cover drive or how
to bowl an off an off spinner or an outswinger
or whatever it is. They are facilitators more than any
other coach, I reckon. You look at the coaches of rugby, football,
rugby league, just about every other sport and the coach
is far far more to the four than they are

(57:53):
in cricket. For cricket, it's the captain who runs the team.
Came Williamson runs the team, Tom Latham runs the team,
Mitchell Santner runs the team. The coach is more of
a facilitator than an actual coach in the traditional sense
of that word, doing any actual technical coaching. Yes, they
are in the nets and they're pointing stuff out, but

(58:13):
they can bring in specialists for that. So I guess
what they have to decide is who is the best
facilitator Shane Bond, Shane Jurgensen, Luke Ronkey or Rob Walter.
I began to hear your thoughts on who you think
it should be or anything around this conversation.

Speaker 9 (58:29):
Chris, Hi, Mate, Yeah, Hi, find you a nice little
break amongst the Winter's code.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
A cricket in May, in June, it's Une seasonal.

Speaker 9 (58:38):
Yes, well there's going to be a World Test Championship starts.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
You're right and you're right, just three things.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
But one thing is ill steady. You know, whatever you
say about conservatives or not, he has probably go down
as their best sort of coach. I mean, I'll never concede.
I mean he got a drawer in the World Cup final. Lord,
I'll never concede. England won and if we'll have havn't
changed the rules, he would have won. Henry Matt Henry

(59:09):
had played in that Champions Final, we'd have won that.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair assumption. Look, I mean,
you know you're right, Gary Stead. You look at the
record that he leaves behind and it is the equal,
if not better than any of his predecessors. And we
hear a lot about Mike Hessen and what he did,
and I think what Mike did as at the helm
of the black Caps with with Brendan mcllum alongside, has

(59:33):
dragged the team into into where they needed to be.
But yeah, Gary Stead, you have to say has has
overseen a period of sustained success, I mean, winning three
nil in India unheard of, Chris.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:48):
And the other thing is, look, I'll go for Bondie
because look, he turned or he helped turn sow the
Bolton and Wagner into world class Test bowl as when
he was bowling coach for back Cap.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah, I kind of like, Yeah, I like the idea
of of Shane bond I also, yeah, none of them,
none of them would be a rock star appointment, not
that you need that, and Gary said has shown that.
But for example, Chris, imagine if we were having a
conversation and the people in the conversation were Brendan McCallum,
Stephen Fleming and Daniel Vittori, that would pique my interest.

Speaker 9 (01:00:25):
I think it's I'd love to see Stephen Fleming apply.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I just don't. I just don't think he wants
to do it. I mean he's got his chin, I
get much money, yeah, and Daniel Vittorey the same with
the gigs he's got going on.

Speaker 15 (01:00:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Brendan mccallums obviously, Brenda McCullum's obviously all in with England
and I'm sure they're paying him way more than we
could afford. But imagine Brendan McCullum being our coach, you
know what. I know that England have been a bit
up and down, but just the intent with which they
play and as I said before, as a facilitator of
that style of cricket, Brendan McCallum has been He's been

(01:01:02):
a game changer for England.

Speaker 9 (01:01:06):
I mean the thing is, if it's BONDI, you've got
to have a good batting coach. Honestly, Luke Ronky, yeah,
I think he's more. I suppose there's so much twenty
twenty played, but I think he's more a twenty twenty coach.
I don't believe he's a good test batting coach.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, and I guess, well, I mean, I just don't
think no, Yeah, and I guess also, you know, in
the if you're looking pros and cons and the CON's
column for Luke Ronky, he's never been a head coach.
I don't think at any level. I don't think he's
head coached a team. Not that that I mean, you've
got to always start somewhere, but I'm not sure you
start with the Black Apps. Shane Jergensen's had Rolesy his

(01:01:42):
head coach of the Firebirds at the moment Wellington. Rob
Walt has been a head coach. Shane Bond's been a
head coach, I believe. But I think Shane Bond brings
with him. Of all of the four of them, he's
probably the one with the most you know, international name recognition. Again,
is that important, I don't know. He seems like a
very a guy who gets on with everybody, Shane Bond,

(01:02:05):
which again is important, but then has to be able
to I guess, you know, just to have the hard
conversations if they are needed. Yeah, it'll be very interesting
to see which way they.

Speaker 9 (01:02:16):
Go yeah, oh good good anyway, good good, good topic.
And I've all subscribed to doing Cleaver's bounce. I've never
heard of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
So Chris, I reckon you love it. I reckon you'll
love it. If you enjoy listening to Dylan Clever, which
I always do, you'll enjoy reading his writing. He's award winning.
I don't know where he keeps all his awards, Dylan Clever,
He's won so many. Thanks Chris, good to chat. I
vote for Shane Bond says this text. Rob Walter didn't

(01:02:44):
do a great job with South Africa. They have so
much talent, way more than us, but they were average
at the Champions Trophy. Peter says Glenn Pocknell would be
a superb appointment for the high performance role. Yeah, Glenn
Popnell has an interesting shout. Actually, it's got plenty of
domestic experience. Brian Stronick, as Dylan Cleaver, said Brian Stronick,
I don't think you know a lot of cricket fans
could pick him out of a lineup, and I think

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that's the way he wanted it. I don't think Brian
Stronik wanted to be fronts and center. He just kept
things ticking away in the background to make sure that
the high performance program was delivering the results that New
Zealand Cricket wanted. It's not a not a high profile
out there doing interviews every week kind of job. And
Glenn Pote was a very very clever cricket coach, said time,

(01:03:29):
and Wellington CD a good cricket man. Peter, that's not
a bad shout. Marx says, I've heard Rob Walters locked in.
God on you Mark because the jungle drums are beating.
They always seem to one twenty nine if you want
to talk some cricket. I know it's may going into June,
but we can always do it at eight hundred and

(01:03:49):
eighty ten eighty. Like I said, I would have love
for this to you know, you look at like I mean,
it's a pipe dream, right, Brenda McCallum's not coming back
anytime soon, but imagine if he was our coach, or
Ry or flem Stephen Fleming, Daniel for Tory guys who
I think you know get the black Cat app Shane
Bond does too, of course, And you don't have to
have warn it, Luke Ronki, you don't have to have

(01:04:12):
warn it Gary Stead, you know, played test matches for US,
Mike Hesson never played, never played cricket for New Zealand.
It's not absolutely vital, but you know, I don't know.
It just feels as though if if it announcement came
out Stephen Fleming's the new Black Gaps coach, that would
automatically chuck that into the onto the the front of

(01:04:35):
the sports Bolletan's, the back page of the paper, the
front of every sports website. That would be a rock
star appointment, if we can call it that. I don't
reckon he wants the job, though, one thirty back in
a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
News Talks B. Just on timings of when these appointments
are expected to be made, Dylan Cleaver expects that these
appointments black Caps head coach and head of High Performance
are going to be announced. The coach expected to be
unveiled at the end of the week, so the end

(01:05:24):
of this current week will know who the new black
Caps coach is and the high performance the head of
High Performance in the middle of this coming week. But
before any of that, New Zealand Cricket going to announce
their twenty centrally contracted men's players. So this is the
list you know that comes out every year of the

(01:05:45):
players who are centrally contracted. I think we all understand
what this is. I wish they would rank them. I
think they do in Australia. I think when they release
the list in Australia they list, they released the rankings,
and the rankings mean, you know, obviously the highest paid
top and then down to the twentieth paid at twentieth.

(01:06:06):
When they release the list of players over here where
sort of, I guess it's quite fun to try and
put it into an order yourself. As Dylan Clever was saying,
it would be a huge surprise if we hypothetically think
of the list, it would be a huge surprise of
Matt Henry was at number one. It's usually the captain
and obviously we have split captains at the moment with

(01:06:26):
Mitchell Santner for the white ball stuff, Tom Latham in
test matches. It's been Kine I think, you know, ever
since he's been in and around, but I think Matt Henry,
by every measure across formats, deserves his place at the
top of this list. The others in Dylan Cleaver's top five,
and I take on board everything he says Rich and Ravendra,

(01:06:48):
Darryl Mitchell, Glenn Phillips and Mitchell Santner. That sounds about right,
doesn't it? As your top five? As you work your
way down you start to get to players who I
guess don't have a huge amount of international experience of
any but have been picked for promise more than anything.
Mhammed a bas hugely exciting talent out of Wellington, Rheese

(01:07:11):
Martyou the Canterbury Opener, others like Zach Folks, Mitch Hay
who had a bit of cricket last summer, Ben Sears,
who I guess you could still call relatively young in
an international sense. And then sprinkled in amongst all of
those the players who will feature across formats and who

(01:07:32):
have earn't the right to be in this conversation, the
likes of will ow' rourke, Kyle Jamison, Tom Latham, will Young,
Mark Chapman, Michael brace Well. Those sorts of players. Texts
are here from Dave in any position, you try to
leave the role in a better state than you started with,
which I feel Gary Stead has achieved. I say this

(01:07:54):
by looking at all the unknown names who have been
selected and performed during this year alone. Twelve to eighteen
months ago, we didn't think Southy, Bolt and Wagner could
be replaced next minute, Yes they were, and with players
performing above expectations. Thanks Dave.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I think if there was ever a criticism, or if
there was a criticism of Gary Stead, it was often
that he was too conservative in his selections, that he
stuck with what he knew, and there was a perceived
reluctance to blood too many young players. But Dave's right.

(01:08:31):
You look at the players who have come through and
I've just named a few of them. In Australia, it's
always been the way that you have to get a
lot of runs on the board or wickets on the
board and domestic cricket before you even start knocking on
the door of the Australian side. There have been a
few exceptions to that in recent times, but usually you
have to do a lot of a lot of work

(01:08:54):
at first class level before you're even considered for the
national side, and What you get then is players coming
into the international arena with plenty of experience. And I
think you're right, Dave. That's happened because the top side
has been so consistently selected. A lot of those players

(01:09:14):
who might perhaps have been given opportunities and there was
a clamor for those players to be given opportunities, have
had to make do with domestic cricket and have therefore
played a lot of it, and when they are promoted
into the national side, they do well. Jacob Duffy is
a perfect example of that. He had to sort of

(01:09:35):
toil away for Otago because there were others ahead of
him in the queue, and he's still not a guaranteed selection.
I think he's a very very good white ball bowl
or in may Whell Bowl, you know, for several seasons
for us in the white ball stuff. But he's had
to wait. He's had to bide his time because others
ahead of him were selected for the black Caps instead.

(01:09:57):
And it's not as though those players who were selected
year after year didn't do the job. You don't have
to look back at that three nil series in at
the back end of last year and the pliers upon
which that was built and the contributions across the board
to see that. Very interested to see what the next

(01:10:19):
little period in New Zealand cricket looks like, just before
we go to a break and get across the taskment
to Adam Peacock. Liam Lawson has recorded two top ten
finishes in practice at the Spanish Grand Prix. He was
sixth in practice one and tenth in practice two. Here
are some of his brief thought following practice.

Speaker 8 (01:10:41):
Liam, that looked like a good day on the time sheets.

Speaker 14 (01:10:43):
Was it a good day in the car?

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
I think so.

Speaker 20 (01:10:46):
I think it's positive. It's a good start to the weekends.
I think it's a good base.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
It's a built on.

Speaker 20 (01:10:52):
But obviously tomorrow is really what counts tomorrow afternoon, so
we'll obviously keep working on. I'd improve in the car.

Speaker 8 (01:10:59):
Everybody's chasing it.

Speaker 20 (01:11:00):
I think everybody's car is probably a little bit further
away at the start of P one because of the
new front wing and we're slowly chasing the balance.

Speaker 14 (01:11:08):
Did you feel a big difference in your car this weekend?

Speaker 8 (01:11:12):
Definitely a difference.

Speaker 20 (01:11:12):
You definitely feel the difference I think for everybody, for
every team is different. So for us, I hon to
see our car is in a good place right now,
but obviously we expect everybody to keep improving.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Liam Lawson just starting to get the hang of this.
Your fancy sixth in practice, one, tenth in practice two,
as he said, though, doesn't actually mean anything until qualifying,
but it's a good springboard from which to bounce. Two
o'clock tomorrow morning qualifying and then the race itself is
at one o'clock on Monday morning, New Zealand time in Barcelona,

(01:11:44):
so on the Shadowmorrow we'll be able to talk in
more specific terms about where he is on the grid.
I need to check the racecourse at Barcelona in terms
of what passing is like. We know at the Monaco
Grand Prix you basically weren't able to and Liam Lawson
achieving his best result of the season and picking up
points for the first time with an eighth place finished
there challenge from this weekend, I can only presume that

(01:12:08):
Barcelona is a lot easier to pass on. Certainly can't
be any harder. So we might find out a bit
more about Liam at the Spanish Grand Prix, but qualifying
overnight tonight for a grid position, and then the race
itself in the early hours of Monday morning twenty to two,
when we come back across the Tasman Adam Peacock, our
Australian correspondent, the big issues on and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Coming up sixteen to two. Got Tim Soudy on the
radio after two o'clock, continuing the cricket theme. He's in
the UK at the moment, of course as a specialist
skills coach with the aforementioned Brenda Mcallums England site. Looking
forward to catching up with Tim Soudy after two. But
let's get you across the Tasman. Our regular Saturday catch
up with our Australian correspondent, Adam Peacock. Adam, good to
chat as always. Can we start the State of origin?

(01:13:03):
First game Wednesday night, New South Wales getting it done
eighteen six at some corp. Well when you South Wales
good or all? Were Queensland just not very good?

Speaker 19 (01:13:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
But of both Pliny good afternoon. Yeah. It was a
frustrating game because I thought at half time I thought, okay,
this just set it up nicely. There a ripper and
Brian dol Got Sinbin just gone the custod half time,
so it kind of brought theoretically brought Queensland back into
it fourteen two and then we just fizzled the second half.

(01:13:37):
It just became a game of errors and frustration out
of sink both sides. New South Wales were fantastic defensively
when asked the question, So yeah, it wasn't by no
means the classic people. That's the worst origin I've ever
seen it. That's the thing as bad origin, there's there's
still high quality stuff and the New South Wales were
good in that first half, which meant they were good

(01:13:59):
enough overall.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
You shouldn't lose your home games, really should you? I mean,
I know you do it. It's origin. Anything can happen,
but it's it's uphill from here for Queensland, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
Yeah, like losing you serve in tennis. It's not ideal.
So yeah, they go to Perth now and Queensland actually
have a horrible record in Perth, but just yeah, they've
been blown away a couple of times, buying New South
Wales of late but you know, it's funny Queensland we're
just way off, but they're on paper they're attacking players

(01:14:33):
probably match New South Wales. It's just through the middle
that they got blind apartment. This has happened now in
four origins in a row, including the game last year
where Joseph s Lee got sent off that New South
Wales had dominated through the middle with the big fellas
and it's all starting with the wingers and Lomacs Old

(01:14:53):
the other night were fantastic in those early yardage battles
up early in depth. So yeah, that's the problem for Queensland.
How do you stop the tide? And at the moment
it's hard to see how they do that. They just.

Speaker 21 (01:15:06):
It's not like they got five forwards that sat out
the game the other night and they can bring them
all back in the gang two. It's a real real
problem for Billy Slater to solve now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Sticking with rugby leg Phil Gould has been on the
headlines this week, Can you tell us about this?

Speaker 7 (01:15:21):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
I'd consider him a mate as well. Michael chammis the
journalist from the Sending Mining Herald who's probably he's probably
the main Lee journal at the moment in terms of
breaking stories and the death gives the stories as well.
And couple that he's a bloody good fella. And I'm
not saying that Phil will This is a good fellow.
I don't know him, but he's highly respected in my

(01:15:44):
eyes for his time in regular leg But he's polarizing
because Guss has two hats. He's got the hat the
GM of the Bulldogs and he's got the hat of
the channel line analysts and vocal critic of things that
he doesn't like, which is fine because he's bloody good
on television.

Speaker 21 (01:16:00):
Gust because he gets you're thinking, and he's obviously bloody
good as a GM and Bulldogs because have a look
at where they are and the latter compared to three
years ago. So the problem is around this Lucky Galvin thing.
So about a month ago, when Lucky Galvin became available
or look like he's going to become available, Custos on
TV saying at this point in time, we're not interested,
and now apparently because Locke Alvin was allowed to release

(01:16:22):
it all changed and basically the media doesn't feel like
it likes being lied to sometimes And it's not that
Michael Chambers was saying that I feel hard done by
the word being my too some generated that way.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
Chammy doesn't. It's more to the point where Chammy is
relentless in trying to get the actual truth and sometimes
Gas doesn't like that. Yeah, it all blew up on
television and it was actually more compelling viewing in many
respects than Origin this week. So it was a good
old fashioned TV Barney. And I'm sure you've seen a
few of those in your time over there, Poney, with
various sports, and this was certainly the case this week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Absolutely, and I was good stout. All right, let's go
to the A League Men's final. We were hoping, of
course it would be on the side of the Tasman
AUKLANDFC not getting the job done last week. Melbourne victory
Melbourne's s Yeah, I mean, I know, Look they're not
my team, I think so. Look, I think they're still
I think I don't think they'll ever be over whether

(01:17:16):
that ball went out or not. This seems to be
very much divided opinion on that. But victory. You have
to give it to them. You know, they know how
to play finals football. I'd have them favorites tonight against
Melbourne City would you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
Yeah, just for their ability in these big games, and
I may mention it last week, did they have the
fact that you just Victory have the ability in a
big game, even without the ball to cause damage because
they've got strike players And in those five mad five
minutes last week and early in that second half that
was the case. They just went pop pop and it
was like oh goodness. And Awkland after that obviously had

(01:17:52):
all the running but they couldn't do anything about it.
They know, Trevor Chapel, the referee missed that ball going
over the byline, but.

Speaker 21 (01:18:02):
It was it was Yeah, it wasn't rising what Victory
were able to do and it wouldn't surprise me if
they do.

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
It again tonight. Great occasion. I think gets sold out
in five minutes flat down in Melbourne. It's unreal. It's
going to be pumping. I love background when it's full.
Amy Park, Yeah, I'm with you. Pine. He probably victory
just like the city that you've watched him a few
times this year obviously with your own eyes live and
that's how you really get a good judge of it.

(01:18:29):
And they've done well to get this far because they
don't have the big stars of the year's past today
and the big Australian stars that they've sold most of them.
They've got a bunch of kids.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, and look, I'm like you. I love Amy Park
as a venue rectangular as you say, when it's full,
brilliant place to watch the game of fourball. So yeah,
we'll be having our eyes on it over here tonight
without a shadow of a doubt. Hey, can we finish it?
Roland Garross French Tennis Open. I see alex See Populin
is into the fourth round, beating Nuno Borges in straight

(01:18:59):
sets in the third round. He's twenty fifth seed. How
deep might he go?

Speaker 21 (01:19:04):
Yeah, I mean he's in the sections tallos our craze
and you know draws can open up, so you never know.
But he's got Tommy Paul next, so that's going to
be difficult. Tommy's Tommy's a damn good player. But popin
prop was a weird one. He didn't have a really
good summer when he had high expectations, but loves clay.

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One of French Open juniors very good on the surface.
Alex Demonor couldn't quite get it together in the first week.
He went out in the second round, so he was
probably a better hope given the Demons contended. I think
he's made the semi finals with the French before, so yeah,
but Poplin, that's that's not out of the box despite

(01:19:45):
the form he's been showing, because.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
He's really really comfortable in the clay. So that's that's
good news. It's good to see an email through the
second week of a French Open. Doesn't happen too often.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
No, true, and I had I must have, but I
hadn't heard of Daria Kasatkina, the woman's seventeenth seed into
the third round of She she's recently arrived in Australia,
is she.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
Yeah, she's hot, nationality US by birth and for the
majority of her life. Wonderful person. We've we've got to
know her at the Australian Open this year. You had
on our set for TV that I was working on
for a couple of times. And one of the most dry,
sarcastic humans you'll ever meet, who has a good look
at life. So man, she'll fit right in down in

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this part of the world. But no, it's good to
have her involved and help her out. She was obviously
in a state of flux giving everything that's gone over
there Ja politically with the war, I should say over there.
So she wanted out and Australia has been able to
accommodate her and.

Speaker 8 (01:20:42):
We're happy to have her, absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Happy to have you on the radio as always, Adam,
and joy your weekend and we'll latch it again next Saturday.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Thanks funny everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
You ever go one to mate, Adam Peacock. There our
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Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Five to two. Justspeck to the Australians at the French Stein.
It's open quickly, Alexi Popron, who you heard from? Adam
Peacock is through to the fourth round where he'll play
Tommy Paul. He was asked afterwards if he could have
imagined being the last Australian man standing at the tournaments.

Speaker 22 (01:21:21):
That's a difficult question. I think you know, we all
expected Demon to be in the fourth round. I think
he's probably the most consistent player on tour. I don't
think I could have thought that, but that's the case now.
And I'm only focusing on myself for now, you know,
I want to keep going as far as I can.
That's all I'm thinking about now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Demon of course, is Alex Demoneer, who was knocked out
in the first week, So now it's Tommy Paul who
is next for Alexi Poppron. He's played two five setters
in a row, so might that help Popron.

Speaker 22 (01:21:50):
Honestly, I think Tommy is one of the fittest guys
on tour. The work he puts in the gym, the
work he puts off the court. I think he's only
going to come out on Sunday and play normal. For me,
it's very important not to think about the fact that
he's played two five setters. It's to keep focusing on
myself and to keep focusing on the way that I've
been playing for the last two weeks and trying to

(01:22:11):
just bring that level again. We're trying to bring that
consistent level, and for me, that's the most important part,
not to focus on how he feels or what he'd
done in previous rounds. I know how fit he is,
and I think the whole tour knows how fit he is,
so he's not going to come out there and show
you that he's tired.

Speaker 8 (01:22:26):
That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
That's the voice of Alexei Poprin, who is into the
fourth round. Most of the big names are through to
the second week. We'll cover off the French Tennis Open
in more detail tomorrow on the show After two o'clock,
Tim soud is with us. How's this new gig going?
Is Brendan McCullum the coach the same as Brendan McCullum
the captain. Tim Sowley leads us off after two But

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a rug b and other bits and pieces too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after field.

Speaker 12 (01:22:57):
It's all on Wee James Ford with Jason Pade on
your home of Sport News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Seven. Hello, this is weekend Sport on News Talk said
v we had till three. Thanks for tuning in. I've
heard that there may well be more more under Pacifica
fans at Sky Stadium tonight than Hurricanes fans. I hope
Hurricanes fans take that as a challenge because there's a
bit riding on this game for both sides. Rarely, first
of all, more un A Pacific and no, they need

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to win it to have any chance of making the
top six, they'll know going in what they have to
do in terms of bonus points, etc. Because the first
game on Super Saturday, but we can call it that
four point thirty five this afternoon Blues waratars Eden Park.
Whoever wins that stays in contention for the top six.
Whoever loses it can start planning their Mad Monday if

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they like. Whoever wins then has to wait to see
what happens in the more uner Pacificer Hurricanes game. But
I've heard that there's a huge throng of supporters filling
up a couple of aisles. It's stadium tonight with more
on A Pacifica flags and memorabilia and replica gear and

(01:24:13):
all the color and the noise that comes with those
who support the one A Pacifica. I mean, it's a
return to Wellington of the likes of Artie Savier, Julian Savia,
Jonathan to Mattina Jackson, Garden, Basher Peppersanna Butterfilo. So there
are five that I can see in the in the
twenty three as well as, of course one of the

(01:24:34):
best Hurricanes of all time, tana Umanga at the Helm.
So I saw Artie Saves say during the week he
thought he would be booed at sky Stadium. I don't
think Artie Savier would be booed anywhere. I don't think
he'll get I think he'll get a wonderful reception back
at sky Stadium tonight, including from the as I say,

(01:24:56):
huge number of more on a PACIFICA fans who are
expected there are going to chat to one of those
who has mobilized the support this hour. Also one of
here from the games last night. Chiefs getting it done
and they are top. They will earn home advantage through
the playoffs, provided of course they win in Week one,

(01:25:18):
the Crusaders beating the Brumbies, so the Crusaders locked in
for second place. The Brumbies are third. They can't be topped.
So we know that in week one of the finals
the Chiefs, Crusaders and Brumbies will host a game each.
I can only assume that one of those games will
be Friday. The other two will be Saturday, with the
New Zealand game obviously seven thirty in the Australian game

(01:25:40):
featuring the Brumbies Saturday night nine thirty out time. I
can only assume that that is an official yet. We'll
find out but loater on tonight or tomorrow what the
format is. But you'd imagine that, No, I can't even know.
I won't even go down the rabbit hole of trying
to guess. But we know that the Chiefs, the Crusaders
and the Brumbies will host next weekend Hamilton christ Church,

(01:26:03):
Canberra for week one of the finals. Getting a bit
ahead of ourselves. Other things to talk about this out
Tim Southie along shortly a new role for him in
the England setup. As you heard wayno tell us in
the sports news Lydia Coe with a bit of work
to do with the US Women's Golf Open. Gary Demattel,

(01:26:23):
senior golf writer, is with us on that. Other bits
and pieces too to talk about before we hand over
to Tim Beverage after three. And of course you can
get in touch anytime you like, oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine nine two on text emails to
Jason at newstalksb dot co dot nz. But as we
always do at around about this time on weekend Sport,

(01:26:48):
as we tick over ten past two, let's catch you
across the stuff you may have missed in case you
missed it. Starting on the basketball court, big effort from
New York Next Jalen Brunson has extended the NBA's Eastern
Conference five Finals into a sixth game, under three.

Speaker 8 (01:27:09):
To play on the third Prinson with the point and
the far and the far trodden on for Chreeland Punson.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
So the next need to win the next two games
to make the NBA Finals. The Southland Sharks closer the
home of upset the taarannaky years in our National Basketball League.

Speaker 16 (01:27:29):
Hople of the fittest Navy is what we're seeing the
moment Asbree and yes canab Asbury steps up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
He has eighteen points.

Speaker 8 (01:27:39):
And there it is. It's going to be victory for Southland.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
Nice job by them they have closed down a five
point victory.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Yeah, eighty seven eighty two are much needed win for
the Southland Sharks. To the NRL where the Dragons put
in a dominant performance to beat the Newcastle Knights.

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
Look by having a little crackt himself, here is jupid
back for sivic Etaga.

Speaker 23 (01:28:01):
Here sas in Scottbellions well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Being the lifetoun bout Tim take it to the end.

Speaker 23 (01:28:10):
Goal Huts is wherever.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
He's been in a mood since coming off the bench.
The Dragon's winning get twenty points to six, saying to
the clay courts of Roland Garros, no trouble for women's
favorite Egos Fiontech blitzing Jacqueline christian in straight sets, and
there it is.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
It's heartbreaking for Jacqueline Christiansen.

Speaker 19 (01:28:33):
Remember the hugely impressive fight from the Romanian for the defending.

Speaker 14 (01:28:40):
Champion proves irresistible in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Not quite so comfortable though, for the men's favorite, Carlos Elcarez.
He eventually prevailed in a tough four setters much alco
and the defending champion survives an enormous test under the
lights here in Paris.

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
An engrossing battle. The Damagma chums up just short in
the end.

Speaker 12 (01:29:11):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Weekends for it with Jason Vye they call eighty eighty
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
EDB, News Talks, HEB and Weekend Sport coming up. Thirteen
past two, Tim Southey has linked up with his former
Black Caps captain Brendon McCullum as part of England's coaching
staff across formats, taking on a short term contract as
specialist skills consultant. Tim Southey, of course, retired from international
cricket after England's two to one series win here in

(01:29:43):
New Zealand in December, ending a sixteen year career that
included a national record seven hundred and seventy six wickets
across international formats. Tim southde is with us. Tim, I
want to talk about your new role in a moment,
but with the benefit of some time and space to
reflect a few months to reflect on your international career,

(01:30:05):
how do you look back on it in general terms?

Speaker 24 (01:30:09):
Yeah, that's it was an honor to represent his ellinor
was all I ever wanted to do is a kid,
was to play sport and to be able to do
it for things Land and across through formats for a
for a one period of time, it was an atflute
pleasure and a joy to to represent our country on
the world stage. And yeah, there was some some tough

(01:30:31):
times through that through that period, there's some some good times,
but but it's it was just a real, real honor
to do it. It was a child of dream and
I was very fortunate to be able.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
To do it.

Speaker 24 (01:30:40):
And I've got nearly see many years of memories to
so I guess look back on for the for the
rest of my life.

Speaker 8 (01:30:45):
So it's yeah, a real, real privilege to have been
able to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Are there any things that you are especially proud of?

Speaker 8 (01:30:56):
I don't know. I think just just being able to
represent our country.

Speaker 24 (01:31:01):
And to be able to do it in the world stage,
and and I guess for such a small country, is
such a proud sporting country, and the things that we're
able to achieve the side during that time.

Speaker 8 (01:31:13):
What was pretty special.

Speaker 24 (01:31:15):
We've boxed above our weight so many times, and yeah,
it's just a privilege to be a part of.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
But yeah, just I think just the.

Speaker 24 (01:31:26):
The ability and the chance to represent his Zellen and
to be able to do it for for a long
period of time, and the friendships you make and the
memories you create during that time are things that will.

Speaker 8 (01:31:38):
All of it you forever.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
As you're playing, are you able to, I don't know,
enjoy the success, be proud of the success as it's happening,
or you know, with games coming thick and fast in
both formats or all three formats in your case, are
you just sort of onto the next pretty much? And
it might actually take a bit of time, you know,
even than the years ahead for you to actually reflect
on what you achieved.

Speaker 24 (01:32:01):
Yeah, I guess even now you sort of you have
moments for you look back and your you reflect on it.
But it's like I say, you've got the memories that
you'll you'll you'll flash back on for the rest of
your life. But I think in the moment you enjoy it.
I think you have to enjoy it. Yeah, you learn
from the bad, you enjoy the good and keep trying
to improve. But the amount of games that we played,

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and but how they came thick and fast, it was
I guess hard to but your moments at the end
of series or downtime to be able to look back
on and reflect and move forward as well and enjoy
those moments. I think you've got to enjoy those those
small moments as well throughout throughout throughout your career. And
like I say, they went all all good times, but
but I think the tough times make the good times

(01:32:45):
even better.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Cricket is a game that can take you, as you've mentioned,
on a bit of a roller coaster sometimes. What were
your strategies for dealing with the times that that didn't
go quite the way that you would have hoped.

Speaker 8 (01:33:00):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:33:01):
I think being so young coming to the side, you
had to you had to learn pretty quick to deal
with so I guess success and and faidure and and
if you didn't then I guess you'd find yourself out
of the sight.

Speaker 8 (01:33:12):
So it's something I guess you accept and.

Speaker 24 (01:33:14):
Yeah, always looking at ways to improve and out of
the side a lot, especially early on and each time
you come back and each time you get a chance
to represent you. Yeah, I just want to want to
be a little better from each moment where it was,
where it was good or bad, and just trying to
I guess represent Zealand proudly and and in in a

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style that that people can sit back and watch and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Were you stats driven numbers driven during your career.

Speaker 24 (01:33:46):
Not particularly I think you have a Yeah, it's a
it's a game that's numbers are such a big part
of They certainly drive me, But you're sort of you're
aware of of of stats, and especially nowadays with with
the amount of social media and the amount of things
that you see, you're sort of you're aware of them.
But it's certainly wasn't something that that I was driven by.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
So you got a new gig now at the moment anyway,
a short term gig with England special skills consultant. That
sounds pretty flash out of this come about.

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
Yeah, it was an opportunity that it presented itself and.

Speaker 24 (01:34:27):
Had had lunch with Brendan and he he proposed it
to me and I thought it was just a great opportunity.

Speaker 8 (01:34:34):
Took the opportunity to I guess not take up. Not
many people get to get.

Speaker 24 (01:34:38):
The opportunity straight out of his national cricket to walk
in and I guess give back to the game in
a way at the highest level. It's a game that's
given me everything that I've gotten and given me so much,
and if I can give back.

Speaker 8 (01:34:50):
In a way, then I thought, well why not.

Speaker 24 (01:34:53):
So I looked at it, that spoke to Brendan and
had had to think about it, and yeah, I looked
at the bowlers and the side that the England England
side had and it's it's it's an exciting time for
them and this there's plenty of talent here to to
to work with.

Speaker 8 (01:35:09):
So I think it was just an opportunity that was
too good not to not to turn down.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
So What does the role specifically involved. What are you
doing on a day to day basis while you're in
camp with England.

Speaker 8 (01:35:21):
Just we're with with the bowlers, helping, helping out a way.

Speaker 24 (01:35:32):
We had a camp before that and now we're into
a white Wall series against we Cindy. So yeah, just
working with their bowlers, trying to, I guess, trying to
assist them in any way I can.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
As Brendan McCullum the coach the same as Brendan McCullum
the captain.

Speaker 24 (01:35:49):
Yeah, I think Brandon mccullums are pretty pretty sort of solid,
solid guy.

Speaker 8 (01:35:53):
He doesn't doesn't change too much.

Speaker 24 (01:35:55):
He's done great things, great things for us as a
as a side when he took over as captain and
and I guess transformed us into the side we are now.
That the success we had under him and the success
we have now all started when he took over his captain.
So he's been an unbelievable way of managing people and
getting the best out of people, and that's no different

(01:36:16):
in his coaching style.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
And well, your role with England has start a pretty
well beginnings win and the one off Test against him
babwe big victory in the first od I against the
weast Indies. You've got tests against India coming up, which
is an exciting prospect. Can you get the same buzz
from coaching as you did from playing, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:36:39):
It's obviously early on.

Speaker 24 (01:36:40):
It's it's a different it's a different buzz when you're
out there they're playing. It's slightly different to to I
guess a more sit back approach as to as to
what's actually happening out there. But I guess you take
take joy and take pleasure out of the work you
put in with the guys pre games and in the
round games, and then seeing them go out and have success.

(01:37:02):
It's a it's a different kind of buzz you get
to when you're playing, but it's certainly retally a nice
feeling when you work with someone and you see them
go out and do well. So it's yeah, it's it's different,
but it's it's also nice and like I said, it's
great to be able to give back to a game
that's that's given me so much.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
And you've still got white ball commitments obviously Birmingham Phoenix
coming up and the men's hundred and presumably some more
white ball opportunities beyond that. When you do finally stop playing,
can you see yourself going into coaching full time?

Speaker 8 (01:37:33):
Yeah, I wasn't too too sure what.

Speaker 24 (01:37:37):
Where the where the path of take me post post cricket,
And this is obviously an opportunity to to get amongst
coaching and give it a go. Yeah, still got a
couple of playing commitments in around and around that, which
is which is which is great as well to still
be still be able.

Speaker 8 (01:37:53):
To play the game that I love.

Speaker 24 (01:37:54):
And yeah, it's I've got time to I guess figure
out what's what's next. But I'm enjoying this this at
the moment, And like I said, it's nice to be
able to give back to the game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Do you reckon you'll ever move completely away from the game,
do something completely different?

Speaker 18 (01:38:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:38:12):
So that's all I've known since I was eighteen years old,
or since I left school. So it's yeah, it's we
know so much and have I guess the knowledge about
the game that And it's a game I love, it's
a game I care about, So yeah, I honestly don't
know the answer to that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
All right, we've got plenty of time to think about that.
You've got a bit of coaching, but of playing still
to go. Look all the best for the rest of
this little gig with England and beyond, and look forward
to catching up once you back home. Thanks for that pony,
Thank you, Tim, Tim Southdie there joining us out of England.
Good to get the chap to catch up first time.
I think I've chettle him since his international retirement. So
obviously plenty going on for Tim Soudy in that coaching

(01:38:54):
role and then on with some more white ball cricket.
So his career will be elong Gate. It'd be interesting
to see where he ends up, Tim Saudi, whether it's
a co ching gig, perhaps in one of these white
Wolf franchises around the place. There said to me, plenty
of jobs at the moment, don't there for cricket coaches.
But yeah, good to get the chance to catch up

(01:39:16):
with Tim Southey two twenty three. I want to take
a break and come back and talk some golf. Dame
Lydia Coe with a bit of work to do if
she is to win the US Women's Open. This is
the one of the tournaments she hasn't won. She's a
little bit off the lead after two rounds. It was
a weather affected second round with dangerous weather in the

(01:39:38):
area which took the players off the course at various stages.
Dame lydier Co eight shots off the lead, So how
makeable is that in terms of a closing that gap?
Can she close an eight shot lead in the remaining
two rounds? Gary Tamato, senior writer in Wisconsin, senior golfrider
are going to join us after this with a wrap

(01:39:59):
of round two and I look ahead to round three
and four. Two twenty three US Talks He'd be No.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
One Crouch Cold n Gage Sports with Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnomes,
New Zealand's first trusted Omilder News Talks ABB.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
News TALKSB two twenty six. Name lydia Co with a
bit of work to do if she's to compete at
the pointy end of the latest LPGA Golf Major at
Aaron Hills in Wisconsin. The reigning Olympic gold medalist has
made the cut at the US Women's Open, but she
is eight shots off the lead. Lydia Co shot one
under today. She's even par overall in a tie for
thirty seventh. Japan's mouth Sigor tops the leaderboard eight hundred par,

(01:40:37):
three shots clear of a group of six players at
five under, including current world number one Nelly Quarter. Great
pleasure to welcome to the show. Senior writer for Wisconsin
Dot Golf, Gary Demato. Gary, good to have you on
the show. Play was suspended for a time today due
to dangerous weather. Did they get the entire second round completed?

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
They did that. Unfortunately, there are I believe twelve players
who were stranded on the course. There was a delay
weather delay of almost an hour. They got back out
on the course toward the end of the night, but
then darkness fell and there were some women still on
the course. So they're going to rezoom play at I
don't know what time it is for you guys, at
eight thirty am Central time in Wisconsin here tomorrow. You

(01:41:22):
figure it out from there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Look, I'll do the mass an hour and we'll work
it out, Gary, no problem. So I guess there must
have been a risk lightning struck. So I heard an
unconfirmed report that a tree on the course was hit
by lightning.

Speaker 8 (01:41:38):
Is this right?

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
I believe a tree was hit. Someone texted me a
picture of the tree that it looked like it was
struck by lightning on the cifth Fore and it's really
funny because there's only five trees on the inside perimeter
of the golf course. There are virtually no trees in play,
and only five on the entire golf course, and one
of them apparently was struck.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
All right, well, let's look at what happened on the course.
Dame Lydia Coe, who of course we're very interested in
here in New Zealand strokes back. Is that too big
a gap to contain for the one.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
I would say if there was one round left, I
would say yes. But with thirty six holes left, I
think she's got a chance. I mean, I don't think
it's a good chance, but I like what she did
in the second round. If she was outside the cut
line and then played a great back nine with she
made a twenty foot birdie on number ten, a nine
footer on eleven, and a seven footer on fifteen. So

(01:42:33):
she finished very well and I'm sure that's gonna bode
well for her going to the third round.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Mouse IgA shot the low round today six under. She
has a three stroke laid over a chasing pack. What
did she do particularly well today?

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
You know, she's just got a really solid game, and
of course she won the She won the season's first
major championship, the Chevron Championship, first major of the year,
back in April. So obviously she's riding a wave of confidence.
Came in here, you know, feeling really good about her game,
and I think she's just doing everything well. She's not
making bad mistakes, she's keeping her ball in play, and

(01:43:13):
you know, making a lot of powers, grinding out a
lot of powers.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
And I guess of the chasing pack your eyes naturally
land on the current world number one in Nellie quarter,
Does she appeal as the most likely challenger in rounds
three and four?

Speaker 6 (01:43:28):
I would say definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
Nelly has not has yet to win the US Women's Open,
just like Lydia Cole has yet to win it. Nellie's
got a lot of time though she's twenty six years old,
but she is. She's playing very well. She made one
hundred and twelve feet worth of puts today, but oddly
she missed two very short puts, two puts under three feet.
Has she made those two? You know, she'd be one

(01:43:50):
stroke off the lead. But I believe she'll definitely be
the player to watch over the final thirty six goals.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Who else then, Gary who else is well placed to
make a bit of a run at this.

Speaker 6 (01:44:01):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Is a woman named Sarah Smells
her who is thirty one years has never won on
the LPGA Tour. She's been around a while and she
played great today and she's one of the women that
are three throws back. But you know, you come to
the pressure of the US Women's Open and some of
these women who have yet to win or to win

(01:44:22):
a major championship or any tournament, you know they're going
to be under a lot of pressure on the final
thirty six souls. But there are several women from Japan.
They're the top and a very strong Japanese contingent. But
I think, really, you know those six types per second
place and Mount Saigo and the lead, I think, you know,
the winner probably will come from that group, would be

(01:44:44):
my guest.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Tell us about the courts at Aaron Hills, what are
specific challenges?

Speaker 6 (01:44:51):
Yes, it's you know, as I mentioned earlier, it's wide open.
It's a Lynks style inland Link style course. There's no ocean,
but there's an ocean of sand. There's a ton of
bunkers on the golf course. One hundred and thirty five bunkers,
I believe, which is the most that the women will
see on the LPGA Tour this year. And you know
it's a long course. It's playing at just a little

(01:45:11):
over sixty eight hundred yards for the women this week.
And really what protects power on this course is the slopes,
a lot of green surrounds closely moaned grass that if
you miss the green, it's going to row thirty or
forty yards down the hill. And then the wind. The
wind blew pretty strong late in the day today, and
I'm kind of hoping it blows on the weekend a

(01:45:32):
little bit because that's that's what protects power. Brooks KPCUK
set sixteen under two seventy two when he won the
men's US Open here in twenty seventeen, and Miles Sago
is halfway there at eight under halfway through this championship.
So I'm hopeful we get a little bit of I'm
hoping the course defends itself and Mother Nature comes to
its rescue here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Okay, well likely not as much, well as much roth
as she did today is the full cost bit of
it tomorrow in Sunday.

Speaker 8 (01:46:02):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:46:04):
It's been a very rough May in our part of
the world here, we've had a lot of cool bes
and rainy bees. But the weekend looks really good. Sunny
temperatures in the mid seventies fahrenheit and a little bit
of a breeze you or blowing at eight to twelve
sometime maybe gusting into the upper teams miles per hour,
so it should be ideal scoring conditions.

Speaker 15 (01:46:25):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:46:25):
Of course, has been stoppened by some rain tonight, so
I would suspect that we we'll see some really good
scores on the weekend again.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Gerry, it's been a great pleasure to have you on
the show with your time and your expertise. Thanks so
much for joining us across New Zealand really appreciate it
my pleasure.

Speaker 6 (01:46:40):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
All the best to you. Gary Demato there, senior writer
with Wisconsin Dot Golf. You can follow him on social
and In terms of the leader board, as we say,
lydia Co eight shots off the lead after two rounds.
Mal Saiga has the lead at eight under in a
group of six players at five under. Lydia Co is

(01:47:02):
currently at one under the cart after sorry she's even
shooting a one under round today. She's even part of
the tournament. Eight shots back from the lead. Look forward
to following her progress over the next little while. Twenty
seven away from three rugby, the Chiefs their top after
doing this to the Highlanders last night. Strikes it down

(01:47:25):
the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
It goes, Mackenzie's been good tonight and it is all
over here at foursythe Bar Stadium and the Chiefs running
out winners forty one to twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
That is the voice of Paul Allison, of course, who
called the game for est calls all Highlanders games under
the roof at forsythe Bar Stadium for US on gold
Sport and iHeartRadio. So look, it brings to an end
a fairly disappointing season for the Highlanders, doesn't it. Maybe
we can talk about that another day, but it's looking
increasingly as though they will finish bottom. The only thing

(01:47:56):
that will save the Highlanders from the wooden spoon is
if they squeak above the Fijian. Now I was going
to no, actually it won't save them. Sorry, I was
just going to say, if the Fiji and Drewer were
to lose by a significant margin tonight to the Reds,
that would put them below the Highlanders. But it won't

(01:48:17):
because the first separator is wins. The Highlanders fourteen games,
three wins, eleven losses. The Fiji and Drewer, even if
they were to lose tonight, would have four wins, which
they've already accumulated. So the Highlanders consigned to the wooden spoon. Unfortunately,
after such promise really at the start of the season

(01:48:39):
and high excitement over Jamie Joseph moving back into that
head coaching role, it just hasn't come together, has it
for the Highlanders. In twenty twenty five, by contrast, the
Chiefs finished with an eleven win, three loss record and
a huge points differential, helped of course by the eighty
odd they put on Maana Pacifica last weekend plus two

(01:49:01):
hundred and thirty one. So the Chiefs by every measure
have been pace setters this season. In the commentary box
as part of the team alongside Paul Allison last night
was former Chief and former All Black Mark Ranby, and
Paul asked him after the game whether he thought this
Chief side could finally and I say finally, they've won

(01:49:23):
it before, but could they after a couple of Grand
Final losses in the last two seasons, go all the
way this season.

Speaker 25 (01:49:29):
Yeah, I'm just really wrapped with the players, their ability
to even when they come under a bit of the pump,
they are able to, you know, just regroup. They obviously
got the messages at halftime and execute. I think they
love playing for each other and they know that they
want to just look in the week in front of
them to build to something special. But they certainly have

(01:49:50):
got the ingredients to really go deep into this final series.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Mark Ramby, All Black, one thousand and one. I've got
your phone number, so I'll remind you if you get
it wrong. Is this team going to go all the way?
I believe this is the year. Yeah, it's not a
particularly bold claim by Mark Ramby. And I love Mark
ram his commentary by the way. He's been such a
good addition to our commentary team. Because the Chiefs are
the team to beat for me top of the table.

(01:50:15):
So that means that unless they lose next week, which
would still see them into the semi finals because they'd
be the highest placed loser. And I hope you understand
the format here without me having to explain it again.
But even so, if they were to lose next week,
they would give up the potential of home advantage right
through the playoffs. But if they win next week then

(01:50:39):
they would not have to leave Hamilton to win Super Rugby.
They'll play the team that finishes sixth now at the moment,
that could be more Onner Pacificer. It could be the Blues,
or it could be the Waratahs. Whoever it is, they
will go to Hamilton up against it. Because this chief
side has been very, very good. It's got players back

(01:51:02):
at the right time. It doesn't seem to have any
major injury problems. Although something the Quintu pile last night.
Did I see so come off? I didn't catch the game.
I was at a function last night, but Quinta Pire
picked up an injury.

Speaker 17 (01:51:16):
Of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
I saw him post on social media that is okay,
look like I think he might have got rucked. Did
he got on the wrong side of a ruck maybe
opened up a cut on his face. I'll check that.
But they seem to have all of their pieces in place.
The Chief's good depth players coming back at any Nano
Saturo also coming back in so at the start of
the season, the Chiefs kind of had to work their

(01:51:38):
way through a little bit of unavailability, but coming right
absolutely at the right time. They lost the Grand Final
two years ago when they were the best side during
the regular season. They welcomed the Crusaders up to Hamilton
and the Crusaders did a number on them. Last year.
They weren't quite as dominant during the regular season, but
were terrific in the semi final against the Hurricanes, before

(01:52:00):
losing rather convincingly in the final at Eden Park to
the Blues. Surely, with Layton McMillan about to head off
shore to take up his new coaching gig at Munster,
they will be sending him off with a win, surely
to goodness. Second game last night was out in Canberra.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
George Bell as the ball under his left arm. It's
not going anywhere at first instance from the Crusaders. Now
they get a second jump, Bell breaks down a point.
George Bell over the line, scores a try. Bells bringouts
across campright.

Speaker 5 (01:52:35):
George Bell scores a try.

Speaker 8 (01:52:37):
Crusaders back in front.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
I love it from Elliot Smith on the call last night.
So that was a late try from the Crusaders which
eventually got them across the line against the Brumbies thirty
three thirty one. George Bell dotting down in the seventy
seventh minute to give them the lead. They were actually
head for long periods of this game the Crusaders. At
halftime they were twenty five fourteen ahead. A penalty shortly

(01:53:02):
after halftime had them twenty eight to fourteen ahead, but
then who converted tries in a penalty got the Brumbies
in front before George Bell's late late show got them
the win. So the Crusader's lock in second place after
what happened last year, they will be utterly delighted, I'm sure.
But being the Crusaders and being the perfectionists and the

(01:53:24):
chasers of excellence that they are, they will certainly not
be satisfied with just being in. Amongst the playoffs. They
will play the team who eventually finishes fifth. That could
be the Reds, it could be the Hurricanes. It could
potentially be more under PACIFICA as well, depending on results tonight.

(01:53:44):
But whoever goes to christ Church, similar to whoever goes
to Hamilton, will be up against it. Cody Taylor captain
the side last night. How tough was the game?

Speaker 7 (01:53:52):
Brums are a great side. There's a reason they meant
in the playoffs every year and when you're to come
over here and really front are physically. Last year they
went down to the wire and we're on the side
of that. This year it was around the other way,
and this competition has been on that every week. We've

(01:54:14):
been on the receiving end of a couple of tough losses,
but also had some great wins. And this was a
close battle and this is exactly what you want to
come crunch tom as well. Were playoffs to look forward
to and both teams do, so wish them all the
best and we look forward.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
So that's Cody Taylor off the back of the win
over the Brumbies last night. So three straight wins to
end the regular season for the Crusaders and in fact
I think that makes it seven wins from their last eight.
The only blot on that copy book was the loss
to the Chiefs and you can hardly be blamed for
that given how good they are. So the Crusaders go
into finals in good hearts. Three games today before we

(01:54:58):
know the makeup of the top six. Blues v. War
A Tars four thirty five at Eden Park. The war
Tars haven't won at Eden Park for quite time, I
think two thousand and nine was the last time they
won their Blues paying a dollar four the Waratars nine dollars.
Blues should win that game. All things being equal, the
Blues should win that game. Then they wait for the

(01:55:20):
result in the next game, which is the Hurricanes against
Mowana Pacifica. If the Blues were to win and Mojana
Pacifica were to win, they're both on twenty eight points
at the moment, So if they got the same number
of points, let's you know, they both got the four
points for the win, or they both got the bonus point,
they would be level on points. More Wanna Pacificer have

(01:55:40):
the advantage because they've won more games than the Blues have.
So if Moana Pacifica and the Blues end up level
on points, Moaana Pacifica will make the six. But in
order to do that, they'll almost certainly have to beat
the Hurricanes, because the Blues will almost certainly beat the Waratars.
Later on tonight, reds Fijian Drewer, gold Sport and iHeartRadio

(01:56:01):
as commentary of Blues Waratar's four thirty five Hurricanes more
in A Pacifica five pass seven, it's eighteen away from three.
You're going to take a break and then speak to
one of the one of the mobilizers of the Mowana
Pacifica support crew in the capital tonight, because, as I
mentioned before, by the sounds of it is going to
be a huge contingent of Mowana Pacifica fans at sky

(01:56:24):
Stadium tonight. Who knows, maybe even as much, if not
more than the number of supporters there for the hurricanes
will be a great occasion, regardless, we'll find out more
when we come back here at News Talks there'll be
coming up seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty weekends for it with Jason him
and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks, there'd.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
Be coming up fourteen to three. As mentioned, there'll be
major support for Mowana Pacifica when they face the hurricanes
at sky Stadium tonight. Comedian Torfinger Fipple from The Laughing
Sar Morns is with us. Wise, love you your comedy work,
Dolf Finger, Thanks for joining us. How many mo Wana
Pacifica supporters? Jurek and you'll get along there tonight well.

Speaker 23 (01:57:10):
If it's go by the numbers that we had at
the airport, we had hundreds at the airport yesterday, and
that was only a faction of many who are going
to be there tonight. It's gonna be awesome. I think
people were trying to get tickets in the aisle that
we were trying to get Iron nineteen that's all booked out.
I think twenty's booked out, gone as fined down as

(01:57:31):
thirty and fourteen. So you've probably got more than half
the stadium there tonight, so and probably even you know,
walk walk up crowds. Was this beautiful weather that we're
gone willing to say, I think it's gonna be a
great celebration tonight. It's gonna be fun, you know, regardless
of result for either team, but it's definitely for month Pasifica.

(01:57:52):
A lot of the people are coming, a lot of
them it is their first time ever at the stadium.
So and then that's what it's all about. We want
to bring the new fans, you know, bring the vibe,
you know, all the singing, the colors, the dancing, and
I just really enjoy some good Rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
To absolutely absolutely and as much energy and enthusiasm in
the stands as well by the sounds of things. Tell
us about the greeting that the team got at the
airport yesterday. I've seen some footage, but what was it
like when the when the team emerged into Wellington Airport yesterday.

Speaker 23 (01:58:21):
Yeah, well, I think for not just for Muana, but
probably mostly for our Wellington boys. As you mentioned the
Sawba brothers, you know Uhnmanga. I don't think they realized
the support that they had. They were quite emotional at
the welcome. It was a great opportunity. We had, you know,
a whole mix of our community, Pasifica community. We had

(01:58:44):
our Cook Island community from Potida welcomed them with the tudro.
We had the kids from Scott's College. They did I
took a low item, sang a song. We even had
the Arias Magplace Junior Rugby there and and many of
our elders and young people and just supporters of one

(01:59:04):
Pasifica that all haing with flags and everything. We took
about ten to fifteen minutes for the welcome, but they
hung around at the airport just to meet the people
and they were really appreciative.

Speaker 8 (01:59:15):
I think one of the.

Speaker 23 (01:59:17):
The key and awesome parts of the welcome was mother,
the manager of Scott's First in Rugby, presented Jackson with
Bishop with his brother's jerusey because they both attended Scott's,
and presented him with a Scott's jersey, just to pay
tribute to his brother and to wish them are abast

(01:59:39):
for the game tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
No, that's outstanding near what an emotional moment for Jackson,
Garden Besham and oriented Romtid. Of course that's ADDIE's old club,
isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:59:47):
Yeah, that's always as old club. We even had Romatich
College they're doing their old school. So yeah, it was
our whole friendly a fair I mean it was it
was about celebrating Basfeica, celebrating us as kiwis and just
really looking forward to having a great time tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
It's it's such a good blowprint. Isn't it Toughinger to
have visiting? You know, to have I mean because Mowana
are effectively the away team tonight, but you know it'll
probably feel like a home game for them. But why
shouldn't fans travel like this? And I think Mowana have
shown us the way in terms of the way that
you support your team as you say, the result doesn't
really matter, although they've had some terrific results this season.

(02:00:25):
Get into the stands and support your team.

Speaker 23 (02:00:28):
Yeah, I think that's the key really. I mean, I
like the way how the Willington Phoenix Stewart and also
the Auckland Football club. You know, when you go to Auckland,
they've got you know, gates or stands in seats they
are blocked out for the visiting team. And I think,
you know, it'd be awesome for people to be able
to do that in the different stadiums because you know

(02:00:49):
they're going to be teams that go to play Hurricanes
and they'll be fancy. It'd be good for all of
them to come together again because they're making also together
they can all do their their team chant or songs
and all that sort of stuff and it just adds.
So the whole atmosphere love it, love it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
So I'll nineteen or twenty probably spilling out beyond that tonight.
That's where we'll find you.

Speaker 23 (02:01:09):
Yep, that will definitely be there. If you can't can't
see us, then you're definitely hearing.

Speaker 8 (02:01:14):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Think a great chat mate. Enjoy the night tonight, I'm
sure you're will thank you now, just talking from the
laughing salmor and so yeah, berg in flux of Wier
Pacifica fans getting there tonight. And I think wouldn't it
be great if there's if there was a bit more
tribalism or at least some organized support for away rugby fans,
because I mean, you know, it's it's part of our nature,

(02:01:37):
you know, and it's a great part of our of
our nature that we can sit side by side. You know,
there'll be you know, when there's a game between the
crusaderes and the Chiefs, there's Chiefs jerseys in the middle
of the Crusaders fans and vice versa. But if you
could get them all together, should should our super rugby
teams look at doing that, having an away bay where
everybody who supports the away team gathers, because there's something

(02:02:00):
special about supporting your team away, isn't there. I think
Wina Pacific I might be onto something here. Looking forward
to seeing Isles nineteen and twenty and the others tonight
down there at sky Stadium ninety three News talks itb.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
The scoop from the track fields and the court on
your home of Sord weekends for it with Jason Vine
the News talks eNB.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
On text from Tony Jason. This is a dress rehearsal
for the Hurricanes tonight when they faced the Brumbies next week.
The Brumbies got away with multiple phases without the Crusaders
pinching the ball off them last night. It'll be interesting
to see the average number of rucks Muana put together
before Codifi and Co strike tonight. It was the undoing
of the Chiefs. I hope the Canes emulate it again
tonight and good to see the back line combo too

(02:02:44):
with Reuben Love back at fullback of the Canes. Thanks Tony.
Yet could well be Brumby's Hurricanes next week. That's a
highly likely scenario. Three plays four and the Hurricanes of
course got the win over there, which was fairly rare
in the last couple of seasons. So I don't think
they have any fear if it is in fact Canberra
that they are headed for. That is the show for today.

(02:03:04):
Just quick peek arhead to tomorrow after midday. All of
the head coaches, the New Zealand based ones left standing
in Super Rugby are joining us after midday tomorrow. Not
all at the same time, I think we'll question them separately,
Clayton McMillan out of the Chiefs, Rob Penny out of
the Crusaders, Clark Laidlaw out of the Hurricanes and one
of we Hope tana Umanga from Winer pacifica will Vern

(02:03:26):
Cotter from the Blues. Otherwise it all be three and
three and the warrit Us would somehow have got in there.
Look Metcalf out of the Warriors tomorrow as well, out
of their match against the rabbit Os. Tim Beverage after
three Huge thanks for listening in. Massive kudos to Andy
McDonell for producing the show. As always, our final day
of New Zealand Music Month. Are we marking it in
any particular way, Andy, We're marking it with a song

(02:03:48):
from a New Zealand artist, piny On.

Speaker 6 (02:03:51):
Lord.

Speaker 26 (02:03:52):
She's got a new album coming out. She's performing, of
all place at the Auckland Central YMCA throughout the week,
which is an interesting spot to perform. But anyway, here's
a song I've picked from Here's It's Team, which is
i'd say probably my favorite one of lord songs I
think from her first first album was appointing.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
You know, do you think she'll do a cover of
Y M c A.

Speaker 9 (02:04:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
I don't, but that would be pretty cool if you
did say the mark.

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
See for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen

(02:04:59):
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