James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to recap the Super Rugby final, the action from the State of Origin - and offered speculation about possible All Blacks squad picks.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from News Talks b with us.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How are you getting on mate?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Kid A poney, Rugby sucks, winter sucks. If Donald Trump
wants to burn the world to the ground, I'm here
for it.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Go ahead and make my day. Yeah, I'm okay, I am.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I sat in the press conference last night with Clayton
McMillan and two poor v at the at the top table,
and I mean it's it's very, very hard to explain
why the Chiefs haven't been able to win a Grand Final.
I'm not sure that Clayton McMillan could even could even
you know, articulate why they haven't been able to win
any of the last three. What were your main sort
(00:49):
of takeaways from last night?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, I did stop at McDonald's on the way home.
I mean, I have to admit it, that was the
main one. Actually, what happens from you you summed it
up before, Poney. It was a it was a forward battle.
It was a massive arm wrestle. It was an aerial
battle as well, and so the Crusaders won in the air,
they won and the forward battle and they won key
(01:14):
moments really you know, winning the moment. Even when did
you notice when we had the Chiefs had a rare
attacking line out nur r Corey went up for the
ball and Scott Barrett just ragged old him, you know,
to the ground, just pulled him actually towards his own
goal line. And I was just thinking, Okay, is that legal?
Probably I don't know, but it's just effective. And there
(01:34):
was a turnover straight away. So those little key moments,
I think you can't fault the Crusaders. But for me,
how long do the Chiefs have to be bridesmaids? You know,
like you don't want to be a bridesmaid every single time?
People start to feel sorry for you if your bridesmaid
every single wedding, you know, and then you start getting it.
I mean there's people out there have been bridesmaids a lot, right,
(01:57):
and I've been a groomsman a lot and it's not fun.
And then in the end, when there's the throwing of
the bouquet, you know, you're doing lineout calls and stuff
like that, just trying to catch it just gets a
bit desperate.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, I love the analogy. I honestly felt like this
was there, this was their time. I honestly felt as
though they would go there last night and win that game.
And you say small moments, the aerial battle. The armorss
will call it what you like. But yet I mentioned
before and you might not have heard me, but Damien
McKenzie afterwards, he was just sitting there staring into the
(02:32):
middle distance, probably wondering what on earth he has to
do to win one of these things.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I know it wasn't Damien's best night, but do you
know the one thing and you would have been screaming
at the TV as well when the book broke free
and he just had to tow it ahead with his
left foot. And as a footballer, Pony, you got to
have a good you've got to be able to least.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Keep the ball and play with you with your wrong foot.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And I was going more soccer practice with the Chiefs
because you've got to be able to keep the.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Ball and play there, Damien.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And that was pretty much, and of course obviously all
the other stuff, but that stood out for me for
you as well, Pony.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know, yeah, I remember, I remember the exact moment
you're talking about. Yeah, it's the bounce of the rugby ball.
Isn't it. And it did for a couple of people
last night bounced the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But yeah, anyway, one thing I did want to say
is that, you know, the Chiefs, I think they left
it all out there, but they did seem to run
out of ideas. I was watching them box kick later
in the game when I sort of thought, well, is
now the time to run out? Do you have to
sort of have those moves, those breakopen glass moves that
you use in case of emergency? And I didn't see that.
You know, where is that sort of innovative thinking and
(03:39):
where should you be taking ideas from other sports, from touch,
from soccer, from basketball, whatever it is, the no look pass,
all this kind of stuff. Where is the new wave
of ideas to break down a defense like the Crusaders.
It's so tough. So that's one thing I'd like to
see is innovation. The other thing is I just think,
you know, if rugby's going to end up that way
(04:01):
at the highest level, it doesn't really feel that exciting.
I watched Origin three nights earlier and Pouring Rain and Perth,
and it was compelling. It was brilliant. There was so
much excent action and there were tries and rugby in
a pretty good night in christ Church was just an
absolute slug fest and good on the Crusaders. They dragged
the Chiefs into a black hole and that's where they
(04:21):
love to be.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Our match commentator Nick Buley pointed out to me last
night that there were seventy three kicks and play last
night seventy three and it glues box kicks in that.
But that kick tennis that happened at the start of
the second half, there were lots of there. There was
a lot of kicking last year and the box kick, Poney.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We need to do something about that because you know
what's going to happen is that people will be obsessed
with contesting. We're going to see more injuries just from
their midiar collisions, so you know it's going to be
like a World War One dog fight up there.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
A lot of those guys from last night, we'll hear
their names read out tomorrow. And the All Black squad
the first one of the year. We had Pussly or
Tossy as a bolter last year. I don't think anybody
picked him any potential bolters for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think we're all talking about the same people. I
did listen to Liam Napier, who didn't come into studio
even though he works here. Wow, but I'm here for you,
Pioney and Crystal Clear. But Liam's squad was very, very good,
and I think we can say safely say that Fabian
holland do Plessy Kadifi can't be bold as given they've
been in the in the in the squad before and
(05:26):
have been talked about so much. Josh Fuzzy too has
been talked about, along with now Olie Norris. He played
pretty well, even though Fletcher Newle was outstanding against him.
I think the one thing, my one bolt I'm going
to stick with is Caleb tangy Tao. I think if
he's fit, they'll give him a chance because there is
room for an exciting strike winger with electric pace, and
(05:48):
I think it's him, but someone a little bit like him.
So is there a shootout between him and you know,
Finny Young and or four or someone new that could excite.
And then Simon Parker unlucky he didn't get to play
the big games, but I think he'll make the All
Blacks fifteen and maybe even though a wider training group.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's that's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I tell you I quite liked watching earlier in the
season and he was kind of ruled out laid on
through concussions and stuff with Shaffie hockey. I quite like
the way that he goes about things.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think Shay is definitely on there well, another one
who's been in the squad and last year I was
pumping up Shay. I think he's probably one of those
guys if they stay in consistent with their development of selection,
who will be the one to cut tangy tails lunch
if you know. If that's the case, you know he's
got the all round skills and the kicking game that
you need. But one just a note of warning to
(06:38):
raise a if you're thinking, okay, you want to choose
all those players that can slug it out and win
you again, that's exactly what Rassi and the Springboks want.
They want to take you down into the mean streets
as well after the purge on and just go and
turn it into a massive street brawl. That's that's so
don't necessarily give them what they want. That's where you've
(06:59):
got to look for a few points of difference. And
that's why even I know your text to Tavatava Nawai, Well,
why not, you know there's there there has to be
some little change and obviously I'm big on prop to
to start at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Just before you go, you mentioned Origin the other night.
I was quite pleasantly surprised to see that series squared up.
I fully expected that New South Wales would win and
win comfortably, and they got themselves a win at the end.
But I just say it was quite a compelling watching
the rain and Perth.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
It was. It was.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I mean, Origin just seldom disappoints. And I think that,
you know, the first ten minutes of an Origin game
of exactly what every promoter would want. And I mean
at times I think it was Rivers Raihan who ran
ran the Bullbacks so strongly last night. A couple of
big hits and even the tackle what by Daniel Honor
on branden En, all that sort of Origin esque. But yeah,
(07:53):
that that for me is the benchmark of like Pinnacle
Club or Rep Rugby. But the other thing I did
want to touch on Piney because I know you're a
soccer football man like myself. Seeing Auckland City gets spanked
over at the Club World Cup, says to me that
that system has to change. There has to be a way,
a work around where we do send Oceany as best
(08:16):
club team, which is Auckland FC. They have to find
a way that there is a playoff system. I know
they play in an Asian league because of the A
League being Australian and that Ozzie's in Asia, but for
all intents and purposes, the best team in Oceany is
Auckland f C.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
They have to go.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think you'll find that that is exactly what happens
from now on and maybe what's happened to Auckland City
try as they have you know, a ten nilon, a
six nil and who knows what happening is Bocker juniors.
I think you'll find that maybe that is the catalyst
for change. Hey, well, thank you for one upping Liam
Napier and coming into your place of work for a
chat today.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's been good good to chat as always.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Thanks mate.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
There's too many Crusaders jerseys in this office, but I'm
leaving right now.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Love it made always love your contributions to our show.
James McConney. You a big part of our Sundays.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
For more from week and Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to news talks at B weekends from midday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from News Talks b with us.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How are you getting on mate?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Kid A poney, Rugby sucks, winter sucks. If Donald Trump
wants to burn the world to the ground, I'm here
for it.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Go ahead and make my day. Yeah, I'm okay, I am.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I sat in the press conference last night with Clayton
McMillan and two poor v at the at the top table,
and I mean it's it's very, very hard to explain
why the Chiefs haven't been able to win a Grand Final.
I'm not sure that Clayton McMillan could even could even
you know, articulate why they haven't been able to win
any of the last three. What were your main sort
(00:49):
of takeaways from last night?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, I did stop at McDonald's on the way home.
I mean, I have to admit it, that was the
main one. Actually, what happens from you you summed it
up before, Poney. It was a it was a forward battle.
It was a massive arm wrestle. It was an aerial
battle as well, and so the Crusaders won in the air,
they won and the forward battle and they won key
(01:14):
moments really you know, winning the moment. Even when did
you notice when we had the Chiefs had a rare
attacking line out nur r Corey went up for the
ball and Scott Barrett just ragged old him, you know,
to the ground, just pulled him actually towards his own
goal line. And I was just thinking, Okay, is that legal?
Probably I don't know, but it's just effective. And there
(01:34):
was a turnover straight away. So those little key moments,
I think you can't fault the Crusaders. But for me,
how long do the Chiefs have to be bridesmaids? You know,
like you don't want to be a bridesmaid every single time?
People start to feel sorry for you if your bridesmaid
every single wedding, you know, and then you start getting it.
I mean there's people out there have been bridesmaids a lot, right,
(01:57):
and I've been a groomsman a lot and it's not fun.
And then in the end, when there's the throwing of
the bouquet, you know, you're doing lineout calls and stuff
like that, just trying to catch it just gets a
bit desperate.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, I love the analogy. I honestly felt like this
was there, this was their time. I honestly felt as
though they would go there last night and win that game.
And you say small moments, the aerial battle. The armorss
will call it what you like. But yet I mentioned
before and you might not have heard me, but Damien
McKenzie afterwards, he was just sitting there staring into the
(02:32):
middle distance, probably wondering what on earth he has to
do to win one of these things.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I know it wasn't Damien's best night, but do you
know the one thing and you would have been screaming
at the TV as well when the book broke free
and he just had to tow it ahead with his
left foot. And as a footballer, Pony, you got to
have a good you've got to be able to least.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Keep the ball and play with you with your wrong foot.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And I was going more soccer practice with the Chiefs
because you've got to be able to keep the.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Ball and play there, Damien.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And that was pretty much, and of course obviously all
the other stuff, but that stood out for me for
you as well, Pony.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know, yeah, I remember, I remember the exact moment
you're talking about. Yeah, it's the bounce of the rugby ball.
Isn't it. And it did for a couple of people
last night bounced the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But yeah, anyway, one thing I did want to say
is that, you know, the Chiefs, I think they left
it all out there, but they did seem to run
out of ideas. I was watching them box kick later
in the game when I sort of thought, well, is
now the time to run out? Do you have to
sort of have those moves, those breakopen glass moves that
you use in case of emergency? And I didn't see that.
You know, where is that sort of innovative thinking and
(03:39):
where should you be taking ideas from other sports, from touch,
from soccer, from basketball, whatever it is, the no look pass,
all this kind of stuff. Where is the new wave
of ideas to break down a defense like the Crusaders.
It's so tough. So that's one thing I'd like to
see is innovation. The other thing is I just think,
you know, if rugby's going to end up that way
(04:01):
at the highest level, it doesn't really feel that exciting.
I watched Origin three nights earlier and Pouring Rain and Perth,
and it was compelling. It was brilliant. There was so
much excent action and there were tries and rugby in
a pretty good night in christ Church was just an
absolute slug fest and good on the Crusaders. They dragged
the Chiefs into a black hole and that's where they
(04:21):
love to be.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Our match commentator Nick Buley pointed out to me last
night that there were seventy three kicks and play last
night seventy three and it glues box kicks in that.
But that kick tennis that happened at the start of
the second half, there were lots of there. There was
a lot of kicking last year and the box kick, Poney.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We need to do something about that because you know
what's going to happen is that people will be obsessed
with contesting. We're going to see more injuries just from
their midiar collisions, so you know it's going to be
like a World War One dog fight up there.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
A lot of those guys from last night, we'll hear
their names read out tomorrow. And the All Black squad
the first one of the year. We had Pussly or
Tossy as a bolter last year. I don't think anybody
picked him any potential bolters for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think we're all talking about the same people. I
did listen to Liam Napier, who didn't come into studio
even though he works here. Wow, but I'm here for you,
Pioney and Crystal Clear. But Liam's squad was very, very good,
and I think we can say safely say that Fabian
holland do Plessy Kadifi can't be bold as given they've
been in the in the in the squad before and
(05:26):
have been talked about so much. Josh Fuzzy too has
been talked about, along with now Olie Norris. He played
pretty well, even though Fletcher Newle was outstanding against him.
I think the one thing, my one bolt I'm going
to stick with is Caleb tangy Tao. I think if
he's fit, they'll give him a chance because there is
room for an exciting strike winger with electric pace, and
(05:48):
I think it's him, but someone a little bit like him.
So is there a shootout between him and you know,
Finny Young and or four or someone new that could excite.
And then Simon Parker unlucky he didn't get to play
the big games, but I think he'll make the All
Blacks fifteen and maybe even though a wider training group.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's that's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I tell you I quite liked watching earlier in the
season and he was kind of ruled out laid on
through concussions and stuff with Shaffie hockey. I quite like
the way that he goes about things.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think Shay is definitely on there well, another one
who's been in the squad and last year I was
pumping up Shay. I think he's probably one of those
guys if they stay in consistent with their development of selection,
who will be the one to cut tangy tails lunch
if you know. If that's the case, you know he's
got the all round skills and the kicking game that
you need. But one just a note of warning to
(06:38):
raise a if you're thinking, okay, you want to choose
all those players that can slug it out and win
you again, that's exactly what Rassi and the Springboks want.
They want to take you down into the mean streets
as well after the purge on and just go and
turn it into a massive street brawl. That's that's so
don't necessarily give them what they want. That's where you've
(06:59):
got to look for a few points of difference. And
that's why even I know your text to Tavatava Nawai, Well,
why not, you know there's there there has to be
some little change and obviously I'm big on prop to
to start at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Just before you go, you mentioned Origin the other night.
I was quite pleasantly surprised to see that series squared up.
I fully expected that New South Wales would win and
win comfortably, and they got themselves a win at the end.
But I just say it was quite a compelling watching
the rain and Perth.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
It was. It was.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I mean, Origin just seldom disappoints. And I think that,
you know, the first ten minutes of an Origin game
of exactly what every promoter would want. And I mean
at times I think it was Rivers Raihan who ran
ran the Bullbacks so strongly last night. A couple of
big hits and even the tackle what by Daniel Honor
on branden En, all that sort of Origin esque. But yeah,
(07:53):
that that for me is the benchmark of like Pinnacle
Club or Rep Rugby. But the other thing I did
want to touch on Piney because I know you're a
soccer football man like myself. Seeing Auckland City gets spanked
over at the Club World Cup, says to me that
that system has to change. There has to be a way,
a work around where we do send Oceany as best
(08:16):
club team, which is Auckland FC. They have to find
a way that there is a playoff system. I know
they play in an Asian league because of the A
League being Australian and that Ozzie's in Asia, but for
all intents and purposes, the best team in Oceany is
Auckland f C.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
They have to go.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think you'll find that that is exactly what happens
from now on and maybe what's happened to Auckland City
try as they have you know, a ten nilon, a
six nil and who knows what happening is Bocker juniors.
I think you'll find that maybe that is the catalyst
for change. Hey, well, thank you for one upping Liam
Napier and coming into your place of work for a
chat today.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's been good good to chat as always.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Thanks mate.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
There's too many Crusaders jerseys in this office, but I'm
leaving right now.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Love it made always love your contributions to our show.
James McConney. You a big part of our Sundays.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
For more from week and Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to news talks at B weekends from midday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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