Full Show Podcast: 22 June 2025

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To good afternoon and welcome into Weekend Sport on News
Talks EDB. For Sunday, June twenty two, we have our
Super Rugby champions for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Post posts and the Crusaders have done.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
The redemption is to plate the world spinnish sine the
Crusaders return to poker.

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What the final sixteen points to twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
High emotion in christ Church last night as the Crusader
put twenty twenty four in the rear view mirror and
bid farewell to their home of the last thirteen years,
with their unbeaten finals record intact at thirty two and
oh thirty two and oh, I've got a bunch of
audio to play for you, some of it from the

(01:23):
winning changing sheds which we were allowed access to for
a short period last night. Pretty raucous in there. I
spoke after the game with Scott Barrett with David Havili,
with Rob Penny, with Colin Mansbridge. But we're going to
open the lines immediately for your reaction to last night.
I really want your takeaways on what you saw, what
stood out. I've got a few thoughts I'm sure you

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will as well. Lines open immediately on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty after one, I'm going to turn our
attention to the all black squad to be named tomorrow.
Liam Napier, senior rugby writer with the New Zealand Herald.
We'll make some predictions about the squad and who may
or may not be in it. Your thoughts on this
are welcome too. That's after one other matters around today.

(02:05):
Peter Berling is off to Lunar Rossa. How much does
this boost their chances of winning the next America's Cup.
Professor Mark Worham's on that. After two, Paul Gallon's on
the show ahead of his fight with Sonny Bill Williams
next month. And this morning I had a tour of
the soon to be completed Teca Stadium. More on that
after two as well. James mcconey. As usual on a Sunday,

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Speaker 1 (02:43):
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Speaker 6 (02:52):
Over the twenty two. Here go to the Crusaders today.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Go Tony Taylor, Dody Taylor, Doy Taylor, Taylor to time he.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
Stares well he got a double at the final at
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Tony Taylor out.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
Of uffing u twenty meters touched Crusaders at their.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
First lines are open on the final A eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine two, nine to two for
your text. As I say, a few postmatch interviews to
play for you are Scott Barrett in just a moment.
But you forget how much Crusaders fans love the Crusaders
until you watch them play live in christ Church. That
place was absolutely jumping last night. Crusaders fans may not

(03:37):
turn up every week, but my goodness, when they do,
they enhance the home advantage significantly. I said yesterday the
man in the ten jersey could be the most influential
player on the park. I was right about the jersey.
I just had the wrong team. Reverez Raehanner superb for
the Crusaders last night, on the biggest night of his

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rugby life. He played the best game of his life,
outshone his opposite to be named Man of the match. Now,
the media were granted access the Crusaders changing sheds after
the game, and as you can imagine, it was pretty
raucous in there. The tunes were pumping, the drinks were flowing,
and the celebrations were loud and getting louder. After I
came out, the first person I saw was Damien mackenzie.

(04:22):
He was just sitting outside the Chief's changing shed, which
is right next door to the Crusaders one, listening to
the celebrations and just staring off into the distance. Losing
one super final must be hard, Losing three in a
row another thing. Entirely. This is going to sting those
players for some time yet. And I was right in

(04:44):
front of the Crusaders coach's box last night, and when
that final whistle went there were scenes of high jubilation.
Dan Perrin was banging on the glass just about broke it,
James Marshall, brad More high fiving, and standing at the
back was Rob Penny, this much maligned coach from last year,
the man who came under the most pressure after twenty

(05:07):
twenty four, more pressure probably than any Crusaders coach in
the nearly thirty years of the competition. Hundreds of fans
in that south stand turned around to look up into
that box, and they gave Rob Penny a standing ovation,
and he looked down and smiled, gave the crowd a
round of applause in return, and just mouthed a simple phrase,

(05:29):
thank you. His redemption was complete.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
He might not see it in that way. In fact,
I know that he will not. He's taken every opportunity
to say he had nothing to prove, nothing to redeem.
But the players told a very different story. David Havili
and Will Jordan both said afterwards they did it for
their coach. Last year hurt this proud team very very deeply,

(05:54):
and they're very proud coach. Probably most of all, every
time I looked down onto the field after the game,
when the celebrations were taking place, My eyes kept on
getting drawn back to Rob Penny, quietly, happily enjoying the
moment with his family, with his team, with its fans.
The storylines last night might have been the continuation of
the Crusader's unbeaten Finals record, the farewell to Addington, the

(06:17):
coming of age of Rivers Rayhannah, the continued brilliance of
Will Jordan, the unbelievable engine of Fletcher Nwele, the tirelessness
of Ethan black Out, of the continued leadership and manner
of Cody Taylor and David Harvilly. But the story, the
real story last night for me was Rob Penny. He
won't call it redemption, but that's exactly exactly what it was.

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Thirteen minutes past Middy, before we go to the lines,
Scott Barrett was in the celebrations last night, although I
noted from the All Blacks Captain and he was just
off to one side, ever so slightly, just enjoying it
in his own in his own way, just off towards
one side while there was singing and dancing going on.
And he's probably that kind of chap. I chatted to
Scott Barrett and asked him about that, whether he was

(07:06):
just enjoying this from a bit of a distance.

Speaker 10 (07:09):
I guess, sort of saying a moment early usually pleased
by Yeah, I guess the efforts and the certainly felt
the support.

Speaker 8 (07:17):
From you know, our.

Speaker 10 (07:19):
Fans bass players all throughout the week, and you know,
I think it actually made all the difference.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
You know, there's a lot.

Speaker 10 (07:25):
Of emotion in the group when we're variety and probably
hit me a little bit too much, a little bit
more than I thought. Actually, yeah, potentially the last time
playing here and a lot on the line is a
great occasion.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
So yeah, the emotion of leaving Eddington, I suppose you
never thought you'd feel that leaving this place for a bright,
shining new stadium. But there's no Crusader that knows anything
else than a home game here, so I guess that
emotion is probably understandable, is it. Yeah, this is.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Where I've played all my Crusaders.

Speaker 10 (07:56):
Rugby, and yeah, I guess it is sort of home
for me, a second home, you know, Like it's huge
what this group, you know, pass groups and this the
support that we get is yeah, it's it's hugely.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, A word just being used as redemption. Did you
feel as though you needed to redeem yourselves this year
or not?

Speaker 10 (08:22):
I think we was probably a fitting final, to be honest.
You know, the Chiefs had probably had the what over
us during the regular season, they finished minor premiers and uh,
you know, probably thank the Blues a little bit for
tipping them up and we sort of get that home
advantage to the final. But yeah, there's certainly a bit
of redemption from last year for sure, and there was

(08:43):
felt from the first day arriving back in. Yeah, noticeable
difference from coaches, players, just a.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Genuine attitude shift.

Speaker 10 (08:53):
And yet it's huge, just hugely proud of how we
turned this season into you know, a very successful one.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Just oh, would have age? It never becomes commonplace, does it?
This winning? So Rugby ever get ever? Get old?

Speaker 11 (09:09):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (09:09):
I know, you just don't know when your last final
is going to.

Speaker 12 (09:12):
Be and.

Speaker 10 (09:14):
You're gonna put everything into it, and you know you've gotta.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Feel for the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 (09:17):
I think, yeah, like it's fine Margins and Finyls, and
I think we just sort of had one or two
more moments in them and um, yeah, silly enjoyed us.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
That is Scott Barrett with the music blaring in the background.
Hope you can hear him? Okay, yeah, very content, I
must say, Scott Barrett, with a rather large gash above
his eye. I noticed, hi Jason, who was the missing
piece of the Crusaders team last year. Will Jordan just
goes to show how influential influential he really is to
this team. Ben, hello mate, all right, I can't hear Ben,

(09:53):
so that must be something perhaps at either your end
or my end, Andy, I am not able to hear Ben.
All right, you're gonna put him on the air. Let's
see if we can do it this way. All right,
it's going to be about thirty second Ben, until we
can get the old Just read a couple more texts
here before we get to the lines. Last night's final,
says Sam, reminded me of the last Rugby World Cup final.

(10:15):
Two tries to one and missed kicks a goal to
lose the game. Yeah yeah, well, Damian McKenzie was Yeah.
I want to get on to him in a moment,
but he had that opportunity in the second half. Didn't
need to put the Chiefs ahead. Kickable, wasn't it. It
doesn't just come down to that moment. But yeah, it
was certainly a moment. Right, Let's get back to the lines. Ben,
can you hear me there?

Speaker 13 (10:36):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay, I'm still okay trying now Ben, third time, lucky mate.
We finally got your Thanks mate, kissing one to three,
got your Ben, got your Benny.

Speaker 8 (10:49):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (10:49):
Man?

Speaker 8 (10:50):
What a very good game? What a night?

Speaker 11 (10:53):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Just awesome, Katie Taylor, you know we're going to starting there.
I got I'm a Crusader's supporter, through and through. I
put my money on the Chiefs. Wow. Just just awesome

(11:16):
to see. I'm a joiner right, and and joinery and
new All Post and Newell Fletcher, Newell as a as
a cornerstone for said of Steers. It holds up, it
holds up all the pretty bits, you know. Without the
Newell Post, your lovely staircase falls down. And didn't he just.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Turn up eighty minutes from Fletchanyl eighty minutes last night?
And as I understand it, as I understand it, Ben,
he's got a crooked knee. He might be out for
a bit now, yeah, he said, But he said to
our team afterwards in the radio broadcast, there was no
way he was coming off.

Speaker 13 (11:58):
Now.

Speaker 8 (11:58):
This is he's like a Panther's team, which is another
conversation but for another day. Then, Yeah, it would have
been lovely to have a bit of a few tried
and amongst the packed crowd. I wouldn't that have just
gone off? But and it would have been nice to
have a free ticket, you know, since you had too.

(12:20):
You didn't even want to give me one.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I've been I would have been if I'd had the
if I'd had the opportunity to choose myself made. It
was all done at random, as you know, and Andy
was the overseer of the randomness of the drawers. So
my apologies that you didn't come out.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Mate, But nah, just what a way to to to Yeah,
like you say, redeem redeem the last year and I
just I just think of old old Mapenion. I yeah,
I was one of those guys that that just just
hated on the guy last year and just you know,

(12:54):
it's blaming the coach and giving him given them all.
I eat, I eat my head, I eat my boots
the guy. Yeah, what a way to what a way
to do that for her. I'm sure he's waking up
today having his bacon and eggs and just coming to
come to terms with things. But no, I must talk

(13:16):
about the Chiefs. Those guys. Yeah, what a what an
action packed team, full of it. What of it year
for for all of them, especially the coach heading off
and there in their last time there last year together.
You know, they deserved it all year. Like I said,
I lost money. I put my money on them because

(13:38):
they deserve it. They've been They've been showing it all year.
But like I said to you yesterday, Piney, there's something
about teams peaking and then and peaking at the right time.

Speaker 14 (13:49):
Ah.

Speaker 8 (13:51):
I just wish I listened to myself and I wouldn't
have lost five hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Oh being I love it mate. Good on you. Hey,
thanks for calling and really appreciate it. And I'm sorry
that I couldn't give you the ticket, said, I'm sorry
you lost your money. Christie's poney. The sad has means
so much to your everyone down here, especially since the earthquake.
The whole city came together. That stadium is horrific, but
we turn up to see them, especially after last year
and the pressure that was on them. I was stoked

(14:16):
for Rob, for David HARVILLI and the whole team that
stadium became a fortress and it'll be a bigger and
better fortress going forward. We're so lucky to have this team.
Good on you, Chris, Yeah, like that was obvious last night.
It's obvious how much this team means to the people
of christ Brent Hello, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (14:34):
I've balance been a Chiefs fan, but I I'm like you,
the coach. I don't know how he's able to coach
the young follows because he's an old man in he's
old school, and to to be able to coach the
younger followers coming through these days, it's really hard for
us older people, you know, like it same at worked,

(14:56):
He's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
That's such a bread that's a great it's such a
great point you make. And and Rob Penny even said
that last night he's coaching to a player now who
are the same age as his own kids. That that's
and so he treats them, I think, and maybe that's
the secret that he that he's found a way to
become a bit of a father figure to them and
treat them like his own sons. Because yeah, because you're right,

(15:20):
you know, you know what it's like when you're when
you're younger, you often have a bit of a bit
of a disregard for older people. I don't know what
they're talking about. That's old school, you know, we've moved
on from that. But clearly he's found a way. But
it must be a challenge, right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (15:34):
I mean I think Craig McMillan has done a great
job with us since sister. I just don't I just
can't understand how. I mean, last year I could understand
why we lost the final because it was we picked
to lead us. Last year we played our final down
here in Wellington, but to go down.

Speaker 15 (15:52):
There, maybe we blew it when we lost to the Blues.

Speaker 12 (15:55):
I'm not sure. But just these coaches, how they can
get these young follows up and going as unreal. I
have a bit of I'm a older follow and when
i'm tots of young fellows, I was growing up in
my ears pulled and kicked up the arts because I
didn't listen. Today, you can't do that. You've got to
find other strategies and other ways to motivate the young ones.

(16:17):
And yeah, the way these two guys are done it,
it is phenomenal. I'd love to see how hell with
our coach the fiel Blacks is going to be able
to do this, continue this like from what you've got
now and hopefully for Bowl the Africans and all that.
But yeah, what an interesting the next few months we're
going to have with all these guys.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, yeah, we will. We will. Look, I feel you're
pain made as a you know, as a Chiefs fan
that you are. I mean hard as it is for
the players, yes, hard for the fan base as well
to have to go through three Grand finals without winning
any of them. They were the best team in twenty
twenty three, they were the best team this year, last year.

(16:58):
I think you're right. I think you know they would
probably freely admit that they weren't the best team across
the regular season. Clayton McMillan said after the game last night,
it's very, very difficul called to make a Super Rugby
final and he's right. To make three of them is
some effort, but losing all three must be so difficult.

(17:18):
Like I say, I saw Damon McKenzie giving it the
one thousand yard stare just wondering what on earth he
has to do to win one of these things. Hello, Lorraine, Oh.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Hid the rain from the South Island. What a gutsy
performance from the Crusaders. I have three words that depict
how and why they won. Discipline, dedication and determination.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Three great words. Good on you, Lorraine, though well you
were short but very sweet, and those three words absolutely
sum up what the Crusaders are about. I think the
Chiefs are about the same things. And you know there's
no way that they weren't determined, disciplined, dedicated as well.
Unfortunately for the Chiefs, they just came up against a

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wave in the form of the Crusaders, who either consciously
or subconsciously was seeking redemption last night of eight hundred
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Speaker 3 (18:37):
V twelve twenty seven. Bax of the line shortly. I
had a quick chat to David Havilli in a rather
quieter spot outside of the chain's rooms last night, asked
him how long the party might go on tonight?

Speaker 16 (18:48):
A long time, I think, Man, it was a huge effort, Like, yeah,
going down a fourteen wasn't obviously great, but to be
able to fight back in yeah, get the leading in
the moment and people's huge.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
How much emotion was wrapped around this week and tonight
year It was huge?

Speaker 16 (19:04):
It was yeah, a lot of news, a lot of
relief I think after the performance like that, and so
good to get it done for Pens like he's been I.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Guess dragged through it all last year and.

Speaker 16 (19:14):
To come out the other side where the title was
pretty pretty special.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Did you feel as a playing group like you I
don't know, I'm not sure if you owed him anything,
but did you feel like you wanted to do it
for your coach tonight?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yea one hundred percent.

Speaker 16 (19:24):
We wanted to do it for him and Nottingham, but
our playing group, like it's pretty tough last year, but
to bounce back off the canvas and stick to what
we're about as crusaders and get back to the top.

Speaker 17 (19:38):
It was pretty special.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
How were your emotions when you had to come off
and then get your hia.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, it was all over the show.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think.

Speaker 16 (19:44):
I think I just wanted to come back and add
as much as I could, but yeah, didn't leave too
many points from me being off, So right onto the
boys force sticking.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Edit and yeah, David Hevily with a quick chat last night.
Gary says Piney, who was responsible for the champions caps
the Crusaders wore after the game. It was hilarious. They
didn't cut the tags off.

Speaker 11 (20:06):
Gary.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I saw that I saw these Boks with these capsule
and they had the tagging off the back. Gary says,
somebody needs to be spoken to Grant. Hello.

Speaker 11 (20:16):
Yeah, pinally. Now, I watched the game as a neutral
from Orphan, but I have to say at the end
of the game, seeing the Crusaders celebrate and the way
the reserves all ran on and that I actually felt
felt a bit emotional and I was my one thing
I was pleased about was that the game was not

(20:39):
decided on a crucial ref or controversial refereeing decision, and
so I would like to give Player of the Day
to refereeing Guscarden, who I thought was excellent.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Well, Grant. The other thing about that was, you know,
after the game, when they do the presentations. I'm not
sure whether you hung around for the presentations or not,
but they present medals to the to the referees first,
and often that that presentation is greeted with either a
chorus of booze or you know, pretty much silence. But
last night they were and it's probably easier when you've won,

(21:10):
I know, but they were greeted with a warm round
of applause. And I think you're right. I think you know,
we're not talking about Angus Gardner today. The only one
which was slightly odd was when they had to look
back at the lead up to Sean Stevenson's try and
tried to find a way you know that that might
not be a try. Thankfully they came to the right decision.
But no, you're right to point out, I mean, we
we're very quick to bag the officials up when when

(21:32):
things don't, you know, don't please us. So I think
you're right to congratulate them when they do.

Speaker 11 (21:38):
Yeah, well, you know, I just have finally, and I'll
finish now and allow the Killy Crusaders people to have
the essays good.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
On you, grant. It was good to gen to you, mate.
Things indeed, Dobbo, what are your main takeaways from last night?

Speaker 18 (21:51):
Mate?

Speaker 19 (21:53):
Scorned Chiefs fan because what's worse than three final losses
in a row? Finally, it's four final losses in five seasons?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, how are they going to get over this hunt?
How are they going to get over this hump? Dobbo?
You know, Clay McMillin even said last night maybe it's me.
I don't think it's him, but how did they get a.

Speaker 19 (22:14):
Better winning record over the Crusaders? I think it's now
five wins and four lots of stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's hits.

Speaker 15 (22:19):
The hit record is better.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, but look, it is what it is.

Speaker 19 (22:23):
Look, can I just put another spin on this, mate,
that perhaps no one thought of. I personally want to
congratulate the Chiefs for another series three mess series win
against the Crusaders, like in twenty twenty three. This year,
the Chiefs won the series two to one with the
third game of Dead Rubber. In twenty twenty five, they
beat the Sades forty nine to twenty five in Game

(22:45):
two thirty five nineteen, and the last night's Dead Rubber
they lost twelve to sixteen again to the Chiefs for
outscoring the Crusaders hit to hit and fries at all
three games.

Speaker 15 (22:59):
And that's been mentioned.

Speaker 19 (23:00):
But the Crusaders are like the spring Box in the
twenty three World Cup final. Like the Popes, they consider
tries to the opposition. Ye's still won. And this is
the question I want to throw out to your pinting.
If it were crickets, you can't win conceding more runs
unless it's a rain effected reduced over game. If it
was football or soccer, you can't win conceding more goals.

Speaker 12 (23:22):
Get In rugby we could win conceding more tries.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
The beauty and the value of goalkicking, Dobbo, as you
well know the beauty and value of goalkicking the ball.

Speaker 19 (23:35):
Being passed from half back through to the open side wing.
Pioney sadly now is very much a.

Speaker 12 (23:41):
Loss to heart.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Indeed, Dovo, Hey, great to check yours always, mate, you
always put a different spin on things. I love it, mate,
Thanks indeed, Poney Gullet, as a Chiefs fan, says Tom.
Credit to the Crusaders. They played well, executed a solid
game plan. The ref was fantastic, but one point thing
one thing no one's mentioned was how cruel the bounce
of the ball was for the Chiefs. That is Rugby.
Good on your Tom, Tom runs the myth of Damien

(24:05):
McKenzie socially counts, which are hugely popular.

Speaker 14 (24:08):
Tom.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Great to hear from you, made and yeah, it would
have been a tough night for you, A very very
tough night for you. Indeed.

Speaker 17 (24:13):
Hello, Phil, Hey Bryany, how are you.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Great to meet you in person yesterday at rock Pool? Phil.
I appreciate you taking the chance to come down and
say Gooday, I'm sorry I couldn't hang around for a
bit longer.

Speaker 20 (24:28):
No, that's all right, I understand it. Yeah, it would
it be nice to be able to have a good
old decent natter with you and throw a couple down,
but they were even just have a good old natter.
But yeah, it was great meeting you too. I felt
very small though I didn't realize you were about six.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Four only in stature, Phil, You shouldn't feel small in
any other way other than stature. Now, what did you
take away from last night? What are the main things
that are the front of your mind this morning.

Speaker 20 (24:59):
Well, I'll try and get through them all if you
can bear with us for a bit. I'll try and
be as quick as I can and remember ever you
think for a start, just like to say about say, yeah,
I thought the referee in was good. I'm glad someone
brought that up because I thought after the game last night,
I had no problems with the ref and it was
a good I thought he had a good performance. No
controversial calls or anything decided like that, which always taints

(25:22):
a result, you know. And Damien, like you're saying about
Damien McKenzie, I can just sort of picture that a
very poignant moment and they're just sitting there listening and yeah,
reflecting and that and the disappointment. And I think the
coach might have been a rugby I think it was
the rugby league coach done the same thing where he
got his players to just listen to the next dressing room,

(25:43):
partying up his motivation for you know, to help win.
And I just can't remember WHI the team.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
It was, but yeah, that was that was That was Clayton. No,
that was Clayton.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
One example of it that I was that I knew
of was Clayton McMillan. When the Chiefs lost of the
Hurricanes this year. Quintin part the next day on this
show said said Clayton made us turn our music off
and sit there in silence and listen to the hurricane
celebrate that.

Speaker 11 (26:07):
Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 13 (26:08):
Sorry, that was it.

Speaker 20 (26:10):
That was like me going on to being a belt
known some of my cousins living and Gill and Feely
when they actually lived in Geraldine. He was trying to
figure who they were. But yeah, no, that was it.

Speaker 17 (26:19):
And I've got a lot of respect. I gained a
lot of respect for also Rob Penny because I like
his humbleness and you know, when he's been interviewed Natty,
a couple of things that struck me as how he's
just say on how he was just thankful and thanking
the organization for sticking with him and giving him another chance,
you know, and like you say, when you looked at

(26:40):
him cell up in the box and you see him
just smile and give a wave and that, and yeah,
I think it says a lot about the man's character
that might be.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, it does. No fella does very humble, huge humility.
I think it goes across the coaching team. I got
a message from James Marshall this morning saying that Dan
Perrin had a coughing fit for the first half hour
of the game. Oh man, that would have been a
fun box to be in.

Speaker 21 (27:05):
But hello, yeah, hi poney, Piney. Longtime Crusader supporters to
the point that I can't watch them live. I get
a heart attack.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
But first of all, so when do you do? You
sort of like wait, wait for the guy to be
over and kick the score.

Speaker 21 (27:22):
But I watch it on replay at quarters to nine,
I put the radio on and get the last five minutes.
And I would never listen to the Auckland match or
Bruce Matt last week anyway, Chief commiserations and congratulations. Best
team in the competition to score eighty points against Mona
Pacific is magnificent. But the zellin Sport's going to take

(27:47):
note from learning about Crusaders seven in a row eight
o nine thirty out of twenty seven wins and the
hardest competition in the rugby world. There's something there and
what it is to you is Piney. I mean, they
beat the Brumbies food in twelve and camebra.

Speaker 15 (28:05):
Ten years ago, just two years ago.

Speaker 21 (28:07):
They're not the best thing, but they win. To me,
the summary is this, listen to Rob Penney's last sentence
in the interview, and it tells you everything about contabbions.
What was the line, uh hit tanga da hit tanga
da hit tangad.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
It is the people, It is the people, It is
the people. Good on your book, appreciate your call. Twenty
two away from one. Let's squeeze one more and Graham, mate,
how are you feeling.

Speaker 18 (28:44):
Great off over the moon? Jason, Yeah, Graham?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Can I say? Can I say, Graham? Can I say
before you carry on? Because I want to hear what
you've got to say. I absolutely loved being in your
house last night, not your physical house, but your spiritual house.
I look, as you know, I'm a Hurricanes fan. I
had no skin in the game I was. I just
loved the occasion there last night.

Speaker 18 (29:06):
Anyway, over the year, it was pretty special. And I
play I didn't get in to see you that I
read out of time, but you know it was an
amazing atmosphere and that it was an inspirational performance. That's
a that's a damn good Chiefs team, as we know.
And I just think that for Rob Penny, I mean,
the last caller set up brilliantly. I'm so very pleased

(29:29):
for harm and I'm pleased for you know. But I
think Brad Moore and Ryan Croddy coming in joining Matt
Toys and James Marshall, you know, and Dan Perrin was
coughing foot. They're really good blokes. Yeah, been very good
to me and and the team's great. And I just thought,
do you think he'll come back?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Graham? Do you think he'll come back? Rob Penny, I'm
not sure. If you heard, I shall play to you
while you're While you're here, He was asked last night
about whether he was going to come back next year.
The person asking the questions is a bit quieter in
the background, but I think you'll be abut to hear
it here.

Speaker 14 (30:00):
It is.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
Yep, that's the title.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I'm not sure yet.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Would you like to not sure yet?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Telling of your thing?

Speaker 13 (30:08):
You want to sort of let the dust set all
and before you start thinking about that run.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, I'm not sure yet.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
So I'm not sure yet. What what is your gut
for your Graham? Do you think he'll come back?

Speaker 18 (30:21):
I actually I'm not. I hate to quote him, but
I'm not sure. Without using the weird yet not sure yet,
I'm not. I wouldn't I think it could go either way.
You know, initially it was a short term, two year
I think appointment and obviously that you know after last year,

(30:42):
you know it was you know, they copped a lot
and you know most and the team's bounced back and
he's got the victory at Super Rugby. So when they
you know, there's someone else put in place, because these
other guys, you know, like James Marshall and that are
really developing and so it'll be fifty fifty. I honestly

(31:03):
believe them. Yeah, but yeah we didn't James, James Connor,
seem Morphy, that lovely, lovely little cameo over and the
little rivers Rahana was.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Really brilliant, tremendous.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, just really good.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
And I was pleased to see James I kind of
get on because he was waiting down there in the
in the twenty two Jersey for ages. I thought he
thought was he going to get on? Got on about
the seventy ninth had he just I had that nice
little run so got his Yeah, got his hands on
the ball and a nice little break.

Speaker 9 (31:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Look, Graham, I was, like I said, I was just
it was just almost an honor to be there last night,
just to experience the love that Cantabrians have for the
Crusaders and all the emotion that was wrapped up in it. Yes,
the Chiefs have had their you know, roller coaster as well,
and there would have been high emotion had they been
able to see Clayton mcmillanoff as a winner, and Shawn

(31:53):
Stevenson and anybody else who doesn't come back. But as
I said at the top of the show, you forget
or in fact, you don't realize how much Crusaders fans
love the Crusaders until you get the chance to be
at a game. The support is unprecedented. I think in

(32:15):
this country, you know, we're we all think we're fans
of our teams, and we are, but it hits different
down here. I can tell you that eighteen away from one,
we've got we've got a spear line for the first
time this hour, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
texta flying and I'll get to a few of those
and some more audio from after the game last night
when we come back weekend Sport on News talksb back

(32:35):
right after.

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Speaker 6 (32:49):
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Speaker 13 (32:54):
I right.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Stevid said, oh it's close, he's over.

Speaker 11 (32:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Sewan Stevenson with a try that closed things up, but
not enough for the Chiefs to get the job done.
Last night, marrislo mate.

Speaker 14 (33:08):
Yeah, mate, he ain't look there. But I've got a
free injuries of make Ke's Spain, and I explained to
her why they were going to win. And I've said
one thing. The Crusader did really well. The seat piece,
especially the last twenty minutes was superb. And I thought
they did the basics very, very true well. And they
like made a comparison to her, I said, He said,
why is it that we've lost three in a row?

(33:30):
I said, there was a horse called Secret Tarret when
the horse had got sick and three and the triple
Crown was called game. I said, comparing them to that,
which is not quite good enough.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think they are good enough, Marris. I think they
are good enough. To win a final. They're clearly good
enough to win a regular season, and they're clearly good
enough to win knockout games because they have done. Although
they did lose to the Blues two weeks ago, and
how much that played into it not sure, but I
just think it's just moments. They're clearly a good enough
team to win a Super Rugby Grand Final, but they

(34:00):
haven't won a Super Rugby Grand Final.

Speaker 14 (34:03):
They look at this right in those big games like
eyes got that pitch and you're he just stepped up mentally,
and those Crusaders lived them in points and they so
did thrue quality and they just have their beility and
I honestly no no disrestricting the Chiefs, but I just
think some of those guys you who haven't quite made
in the all bricks because I just not don't have

(34:24):
that expector money just to go that extra and do that.
It's a little bit and then sometimes you look at it.
But they've got the passion, they've got the culture, they've
got supporters, have got everything you want. But you know,
you've got to look at it. In three years in
a row, not to win one or four years out
of five, is you got to sit there and say, hey,
you know, in no respective any of them, and I

(34:45):
think they're very well coached and they've got a very
good environment down there. But you know, sometimes you're just
not quite good enough. And if you look at it,
say Club Rugby and North Harbor, I think north Shore
is one up for so many years in a row.
We'll take a poodage just knocking on the door. Can't
quite get there, you know, And you sit there and say, well,
then you have to start looking at yourself after continued
time and you'll get better. But I heads off, but

(35:07):
I just hearius it's very hard to say this, but well, Eventary.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Said, it almost stuck in your throat. Morris, It almost
stuck in your throat, but I think you got it out.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Good on your mate, Hello, Roger, Hi Jason.

Speaker 22 (35:20):
Kind of visualizing you at six foot four, and now
I have a whole new image of you.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
People are always very I said to feel before. I
said to Phil yesterday Roger, when I met him, I said,
people are always very disappointed when they meet me. They
have this image and it is never delivered upon anyway.
I'm pleased that you now have a have some sort
of mental image of a six foot four person that
you're talking to.

Speaker 13 (35:42):
That's right now.

Speaker 22 (35:44):
What's been sort of kind of not mentioned much, but
as a cantabory, it's certainly really deep in air.

Speaker 13 (35:51):
Solls down here, Craig and.

Speaker 22 (35:53):
Playing in this temporary stadium which is crammed. I've been
to one when it's jammed Foren and it's just cramped,
and everyone's waiting for this fabulous new stadium. And so
the center for the Crusaders to just a title rather
than than play for a title was huge. They want
to be a defending champions in that brand new stadium,

(36:14):
and that's very very obvious to me and other friends
because they've been playing in this rush Bucket for ten
years or whatever. And have you seen in the stadium?
Are you going through?

Speaker 18 (36:25):
Are you?

Speaker 13 (36:26):
I went?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Oddly enough? I walked through it this morning, Roger, Yes,
a couple of hours ago I got I got the
chance to. And obviously there's still it's still you know,
nowhere near finished, but you can you can stand in
there and imagine what it'll be like. The roof is
pretty much on, and you know it's all it's it's
enclosed apart from at the northern end. And I'm telling you, Roger,

(36:49):
you will love it in there, You'll love it.

Speaker 13 (36:51):
Well.

Speaker 22 (36:51):
I live ten minutes walk from them alms, so I
don't worry. Yeah, yes, I cannot wait. And because I'm
converting my bed my garage into third bedroom which is.

Speaker 15 (37:03):
My ron.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Funnily enough, and I was here there this morning. We
were saying all of the all of the residents around
there will be airb and being their houses out during
test weekends and making a killing.

Speaker 22 (37:18):
No, I can't wait for it. That I think they've
earn't their stripe putting up that rush backet for ten
years or so, and boy they deserve this new stadium.
But that's anyway, So that's good out of the incentive.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Ye, good man, Roger, great thoughts, well mate, good to
chant to you, right, thanks indeed, sure? What Hello, Yeah,
good morning.

Speaker 23 (37:36):
And all I can say is that you've been very
impressed by the situation in christ Church and all the
support that they get for will they give to their team,
the Crusaders. But just remember that you've got Tasman, You've
got Buller, You've got West Coast, you've got South Canterbury,
Mid Canterbury. That's the Crusaders area. And when you see

(37:59):
the likes of Dallas McLeod and Cullen Grace from other
parts of the Friends Shows area, just remember that this
is the this is the whole Crusaders lot, just not
just christ Church.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, it's Sherwood. A great point, A great point. You're right.
And they always make a point of saying that they
are are greater than just christ Church. While this is
obviously their base, they are wider and you're right, you
know you look at yeah, likes of Noah Hotham, David HARVILLI,
both Tasman players, many others have have you know, have

(38:34):
come from outside of the christ Church region, while others
of course have been products of this city. But no,
it's a it's an excellent point you make everywhere from here.
Where does the Highlanders catchment start am presumably or tim Down?
Is that is that where the cutoffers the way Andy?

(38:55):
The White Tucky River is the cutoff?

Speaker 13 (38:57):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Okay? Good to know there you go the White Tucky River,
whether you said the Utucky River, it's just north of Wellington.
I'm sure that's not the cutoff.

Speaker 24 (39:04):
Hello Greg, Yeah, Gay Piney, great to meet you yesterday.

Speaker 25 (39:08):
And Greg and you.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Greg, Yeah, I loved love seeing you there at the
rock Pool holding up one end of the bar.

Speaker 24 (39:15):
Well, I wasn't quite holding of that, but anyhow I
was trying. So I'm glad you enjoyed the occasion and
it was a great night, a great one. You know,
they did it. They're under a lot of pressure and
so it was Rob Penny and vindicated all the rubbishy
cop last year because you had big shoes to step
into and it was a good way to see in
the old stadium out Harry. As we talked about yesterday,

(39:37):
it might not be the case for some of the
early games because I'm not sure whomen new stadium officially
are actually opened, so we still might's your game at
the old place, but if not, it was a great
way for it to sign off, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It was?

Speaker 9 (39:51):
Greg?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, And you're right, yeah, You and I we did
chat about this yesterday and I checked them with Colin
Mansbridge and he said, well, they have booked Addington for
the first part of next year anyway. I mean by
the time we get to finals, and who would bet
against the Crusaders being there again, they'll be in Ti Kaha.
But you're right. There may be you know, two or
three extra games in round robin at at Addington, so

(40:13):
maybe we haven't seen the back of it yet. And
now there's something Greg, you know, none of those Crusaders
players know anything other than Addington. No player in that
team predates predates that ground. They've Cody Taylor is the
one who has been in the longest twenty thirteen. So no,
no Crusaders player predates that place.

Speaker 15 (40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (40:32):
Well, I mean the thing is, for all its faults,
it was something they had to stay together after the
Sheiks and we had nothing, and it was a focus point.
And it's just like the Crusaders have been. And that's
why you know, they're so loved down here, because of
the values they encompass and the good points that they know,
good values they uphold. And they were real inspiration after

(40:53):
the earthquakes if you read the story and how they
traveled halfway around the world to play, and they inspired
the city when they needed it. And it's just a
whole ethos that the team's had from the inception of
it when they started. Egos no decides to put it.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, Greg, gott to go, sorry mate, to cut you off.
Great to meet you yesterday. News Talks here B six
to one and Tasman Muckle players playing for the Crusaders
yesterday Shelfoon, black out A, Hotham, Harvilli, Rhees Jordan and
Springer Yea the Tasman franchise providing them our all Black
squad to be named after one.

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Speaker 3 (41:39):
Us hang on one O seven. Thank you for joining
us on weekend Sport on news talk shit. But I
hope the long weekend there's still got a bit of
life in it and you're enjoying yourself. You will be
if you're in Canterbury Country where I am broadcasting from today.
Great to be at the game last night, Gunner on
text Heiney, congrats to the Crusaders, much deserved victory in

(42:01):
my eyes, I thought the Crusaders had a great kick
and chase their front row out standing. He's as well
Ethan Blackadder, Leo Willie exceptional. I love the calmness under
pressure of Revez Rayhanna, but I would have given the
man of the match to Fletcher Null, who was dominant
at scrum time apart from the first couple, and he
also played eighty minutes in three of the last four games.

(42:21):
I thought the Chiefs defense was magnificent to hold the
Crusaders to just the one try with all of that
possession and territory. But having said all of that, the
score didn't reflect the Crusader's true dominance of the game.
It's a Chiefs man. It's a bit of pill to
swallow at the moment, but don't let this one game
define our season. They say time is a great healer,
but I think I'll need some open mic therapy. I'm

(42:43):
still still a Chiefs fan. Good on, you're gonna well.
Happy to provide any therapy that is needed for you,
my friend, happy to be the provider of that therapy
for you. This hour on News Talks, head beat James
mcconey's going to pop in. He might be in need
of some therapy as well, with his chief side not

(43:07):
able to get the job done last night. But he
will join us as per usual. But we're going to
start with what's going to happen tomorrow. Scott Robinson will
tomorrow unveil his first all Black squad of the year
for test matches against France next month in Dunedin, Wellington
and Hamilton. The names to be read out at midday
tomorrow by ends at our board chair David Kirk. Who's

(43:29):
on the list, who's not and how many new faces
might we see in the first all Black squad of
twenty twenty five. New Zealand Herald Senior rugby writer Liam
Napier is with us. Liam, thanks for taking the time
on your Sunday afternoon. Before we go into positions, anyone
play their way in or out or reinforce their place

(43:50):
in the squad in the final last night.

Speaker 13 (43:53):
Afternoon, Poney, I saw you were a part of the
nineteen combination last night for the commentary, so yeah, I
was going to give you some stick in. So you
might be a bit too tall for a halffec, maybe more.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Of a lock or a loose forward, a lot gluc utility.
I think you're right alongside who joined us in our
pre game last night, Yeares. I towered over him, so yeah,
I don't think that works as a nineteen. But what
about I was gonna what about rivers Raehanna, it's a
late run I know, but he was good last night.

(44:24):
Is he Is he in this conversation now or not?

Speaker 13 (44:28):
I don't think so. But it certainly was a big
performance in a big time match, wasn't it. And what
is season that's been for the Rivers coming from effectively
second maybe even third choice Crusaders Can Maker at the
start of the year to growing his game, standing up
on the big stage, really owning that moment. So great
for his development. But there were a number of big

(44:51):
performances across that match. Fletcher Newell was my man in
the match, played eighty odd minutes well, played the full
match for a front row with Nick Bully inform Any
mcl knee injury, so that only heightens his effort. I
thought some of the Chiefs struggle to weave it, particularly
in the second half. Lee Roy Carter struggled to get

(45:12):
into the game. He's been a big movie this year
on the wing for the Chiefs. I thought Quinta Pie
was really good. He's back to career best form. And
then others like Christian Leo where has been a big
standout for the Crusaders this year. So I think the
Black Slicker's probably had the bulk of that squad locked
and going into last night, but there might have been
one or two that, you know, maybe sweet they're thinking, all.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Right, let's go through some positions, then we might as
well start in the front row. They say it all
starts up front. No offer to all the fussy. Of course,
he's injured at the moment, and I know they rate
them highly in the All Black, so there was a
gap there. I think we can write down to Mighty, Williams, Fletcher,
null Ethan de Groot and Tyrrell Lomax. Who else you
reckon makes the squad in the front row club?

Speaker 13 (45:58):
Yeah, well that's right, you need another loose head. So
you're looking at George bow who's played twenty two chests,
been there, done that, and he's been excellent for the Crusaders,
played the full match against the Blues when to Mighty
didn't play, and the kine again last night when the
Crusaders scrum dominated the Chiefs. So I think he's probably

(46:21):
the front runner. But if they want a bit of
a peek into the future and maybe a bit more youth,
they could look at someone like Olie Norris or Josh
for the tour. So those two have really stood up
in the loose their position to share both young, mobile, dynamic,
the sort of props the all court modern day props
who can do it all, you know, carry clean cackle

(46:43):
as well as do their core skills. So if looking
for experience, they'll go George Bauer. But if looking for
a rookie, yeah, I think it'd be Norris or for
the tour.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Do you think com Pussily or Toss he'll be back?
He had a start in six games off the bench
last year. Will he be in the team do you think?

Speaker 8 (47:01):
I think certain?

Speaker 13 (47:02):
He is a real modern day bolter. They don't see
to him those these days, do he But I think
they would have invested a lot in him last year
and they like his mobility. A former number eight, he
brings a lot and he was actually really good off
the bench field Blacks last year. Hasn't really kept on
for the Hurricanes, but I think we'll see him in
the squad all right.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Hookers Cody Taylor clearly who I thought was just exceptional
again last night as try his trice saving tackle on
tupul Vai and everything else he does around the field.
He'll be there summer. Sauny tokiaho presumably as well, and
suffer one more if he's over his injury. Are those
the three hookers?

Speaker 13 (47:39):
I think so, and I'm sort of hearing that Am
probably won't be involved in July because that hamstring injury.
He was obviously catered off on the medicab. You might
have been at that trade and funny and Wellington prior
to the semi final against the Brumbies doesn't sound great.
So I think he may miss the series against France.
So that could potentially open the door for George Bell

(48:02):
who was a rookie inclusion last year.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
In the Locks, Scott Barrett Patrick tweep a lot too
and two Paul Vai. They'll probably take one more. So
who will that be?

Speaker 13 (48:15):
I think it's come on down Netherlands born Fabian Hollands
and you know what a story that'll be, because very
unique story, isn't it. A guy that grew up in
the football mad country, came to crush it, originally went
to school there to Chaser's dream, originally on a six
month scholarship and got lured down south to Dunedin and

(48:39):
has rarely come on leaps and bounds in a big way,
grown into his body, learned the game, and I think
could be a real asset to the All Blacks, and
he used to come. He spent time training with the
All Blacks at the back end of last year and
really impressed the coaches and even guys like Sam Kaine
spoke publicly about how easily he fitted in and he

(48:59):
just sort of looked the part. So I'll be very
surprised if he's not the fourth flock.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, big body to U, isn't He's quite a big humanist.

Speaker 13 (49:08):
Was he two meters tall? Throws himself into the collision,
so he's only going to get better.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, look forward to seeing Fabian Holland and his development. Okay,
loose forwards. This is probably where we have to have
to scratch our heads just a little bit, and I'm
sure the selectors have done so as well. Before we
look at who might be there, we know Ardie Savia
will be. Which number do you expect Ardie Savia to
wear for the All Blacks this season?

Speaker 13 (49:34):
I think we'll see him get back to seventh final here.
I think we saw that sort of movement towards the
back end of last year. But Wallace and Tsi is
a natural number eight and I think that's where his
long term future is and that's ultimately where the All
Blacks will play him. He made a good fist of blindside,
didn't he? He was the All Blacks player in the

(49:54):
year last year, coming from his rookie Super Rugby season
through to you know, standing out against the spring Box
and England's But I think it is a back of
the scrum or see Wallace with Ardi and so then
you're looking for the perennial questions who is the All
Blacks blind side? And that's something that hasn't really been

(50:17):
sold since Jan Fradell went off to Japan and it
took him sometime to step into Jerome Kino's shoes as well.
So the back end of last year the All Blacks
took seven loose forwards in a thirty six man squad.
You're probably looking at six or seven for the squad
as well.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Who is six? Then? Who who is it? Smer Penny Female,
Let's let's chuck some names out. Is it Somer Penny Fee?

Speaker 13 (50:42):
Now he's the closest in prototype or body composition, the
way he plays the game to a frizzelle or a
kind of isn't he Bill Blacks loved their blind side
to be that big, bruising enforcer, somebody who can contribute
at the line out as well. Some A Penny is

(51:02):
that guy, but he hasn't really taken his chance for
the All Blacks, so I expect him to be in
the squad. But I think the question of who starts
at sex for the All Blacks is still reopen. Ethan
Blackheader is another strong contender. He's his prowess is more
on the defensive side of the ball than than carrying.
And then there's there's others like Luke Jacobson very similar.

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The essue with the loose forwards to me, phonny is
when you look at Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackheader and Dalton
POPOLEI are all very similar layers. And so it depends
you know, can you can you afford to fit all
of them in the same squad?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I don't think he can.

Speaker 9 (51:42):
Can he?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Do you think he'll? Is this the time when perhaps
Dalton Papa Lee missus an All Black squad?

Speaker 13 (51:50):
I think he'd be very nervous, funny, and you saw
that last year he really did fall out of favor.
He was the heir apparent for so long to sam Kin,
but when pushed him to shove last year, All Blacks
went back to experience called Kane and Peteranara and Dalton Papally.
He missed out on the Northern tour because of a
thumb injury. There was some talk that he was going

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to go later on that tour when it healed. That
didn't happen, and then his father's like Peter Lucky come
in and really impressed off the bench against France. So
I think the style of rugubar that the Blues play
don't help doesn't help Pupily either. He's very good defensively,
but he also looks good when he's got a bit
of room to move roaming down the wide channels. But

(52:33):
underven Cord of the Blues are just so combative, so direct,
that he doesn't give enough of those opportunities. So I
would not be surprised to see him missed the squad,
and that would be a massive call for a guy
that's had huge investment in his future.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Duplas he's a seven and only a seven hasn't played
for the All Blacks, exceptional this year for the Hurricanes.
Do you expect his name to be on the list tomorrow, I.

Speaker 13 (53:00):
Do, and I hope so, because he couldn't have done
anything more. And for me, he's a point of difference.
He's not that big iusy like you would have interviewed
him how many times stood next to him. He's seriously built,
tree trunk legs, huge upper body. But his point of
difference is turnovers, and that's so valuable in the modern

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game to be able to snap or break down turnover
and to try and strike on counter attack. And I
just think he does that better than any other loose
forward in New Zealand. At the moment. He's consistently done
that for the Hurricanes. And also heard that he was
very close to leaving signing in Japan and that the
All Blacks encouraged him to stay. So if he's not

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in the squad, you'd be pretty disappointed if you'd had
that encouragement and it didn't come fruish.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
He's got a halfbacks. I don't think we have to
stay here long, do we. Cameroy Guard Cortes will out
to Manoah Hotham anybody else in the discussion.

Speaker 13 (54:00):
I think tic tic Tick largely fin Lay, Christy's probably
the fourth guy, but I think there's a bit of
a gap there, and yeah, I think we'll see those
three in the rotation and get plenty of opportunities this year.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
The other future for now first five Boden Barrett and
Damien McKenzie. We know we'll both be there. Who is
starting in the ten jumper against France in two weeks
in Dunedin though.

Speaker 13 (54:26):
Boden Barrett, I think we'll start fining. I think we
saw in the Super Rugby playoffs. I think Boden outshine
mckensey when the Blues beat the Chiefs and Neilson mckensey
bounced back with an impressive performance against the Brumbies the
following week in their semi final tri saving tackle. I

(54:46):
think it was a twenty two point haul. But then again,
last night wasn't his best match, a couple of errors,
didn't have the front foot platform with the Crusaders dominating
the scrum and the line out to a degree, But
couldn't impose himself on that game as you would hope
a world class playmaker should in a Super Rugby final.

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So I think those performances will hurt him and Boden's incumbent.
Going back to the back end, of last year. He
Scott Robinson and trusted him largely, and I think we'll
see that.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Continue host the next past ten.

Speaker 13 (55:24):
It's a million dollar question, is it Stephen Petterfetta, who
has barely played for the Blues because of a carpentery
all year, is a Ruben Love who had a handful
of games at ten for the All Blacks. It's I've
got no idea, Poney. I think the real concerns about
the depth at ten in New Zealand rugby when you

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look at the Highlanders and the Hurricanes even at times
this year, and I know they suffered a number of injuries,
but He've got a situation where a lot of a
lot of the first five of the pool, don't they
and Crusaders and Chiefs Country and the Blues, and I
think that needs to be a real focus to develop

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those next teams, because if Bodenbarre or Damien McKenzie went down,
I think Scott Robinson would have some sleepless nights.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Indeed, well, let's go to midfield. I feel like there
are five very good midfield backs Jordy Barrett, Billy Proctor,
Rico Jowani, David Harvilly and Quinta Pie. Those last two
were both excellent for their respective sides. Last night I thought,
do you think he'll select all five?

Speaker 13 (56:30):
It depends on Antony the Brown's comeback from his collarbone
broken colibone. I'm not too sure where that's at, So
maybe he does select all five with a caveat that
Anton would come in later for the third test. You
know that they can mix a match a wee bit
with their squad depending on Anton's availability. Otherwise, it probably

(56:51):
comes down to a straight choice between Heavily and to Pyre,
and they'll both be very good this year. I would
have to pire purely because I think he brings a
strong ball carrying presence and you need that at twelve.
He's He's probably the closest in that regard to Jordi
Barrett that we haven't in his yelling games. David Heavily

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brings a raft of skills. I know James o'c O'Connor's
talked him up this season. He certainly has a lot
of voice and influence, and he's got a good kicking game.
But I just I like what Quinn brings, just a
really hard, uncompromising, direct presence on both sides of the poorn.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Just before we move to the back three again, I'm
asking you to predict stuff here, but do you think
Razor give Billy Procter a crack in that thirteen jumper
against France? Maybe even the first Test?

Speaker 13 (57:41):
Yeah, I'm not too sure about the first Test, but
I think definitely against France. And I think we saw
last year in July Bill Blacks used their whole squad
and that was in two tests against England and fijis
a lot easier to do that, but we all know
it's going to be a largely second string French team.
Expectations for the All Blacks to win all three and look,

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Billy Proctor just has to get more game time. He
has come back this year was exceptional for the Hurricanes.
His distribution, his balance as attacking game has rarely come
to the four in the last few years, and I
was highly critical of the All Blacks for not giving
him any game time in the Rugby Championship last year.
That was just bizarre. So I think, yeah, he has

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to have more games in there, and now I'm thinking
about that as Rikowani. I'm pretty sure we'll played every
match or close to it for the Blues this year,
so they will want to manage him to a degree.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, he started every match as well, so I think
he was the only blog good to do it in
New Zealand colors anyways, So yeah, he's had a bit
of rugby. So to the back three. First of all,
do you think they'll select Mark to Laya given the
fact that he's leaving New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (58:52):
No, I don't think so Piney and maybe if it
was a Bone Barrett they might, but it is a
very case by case sort of selection basis. There's no
hard and fast rules around this. But I think with
wingers and particularly you're better off of vesting in the future.
They tend to have a bit of a shelf life.
You tend to pick on form when they're hot. So yeah,

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I think they'll move on from Mark Klea.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
All right, so it'll be Will Jordan obviously and who.

Speaker 13 (59:23):
Oh yeah, it's up for debate. I think Caleb Clark.
I'm pretty sure. I'm I'm saying he didn't score a
try for the Blues this year.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Right, You're right he did not.

Speaker 13 (59:32):
It's a bit of a for a winger, but yeah,
he Again, it's the sort of the blue style doesn't
help that. Caleb was very good for the for the
All Blacks last year, so I expect him to be there.
You've got Will Jordan, as you say, Interesting to see

(59:52):
how his knee is. He looked to be heavily strapped
and hobbling around last night, so hopefully that's not too serious.
And then I think Rubert Love will be there, whether
it's as fullback, wing first five. I think his versatility
they will like he had what like five or ten
minutes off the bench against Japan last year scored a

(01:00:16):
try with the wing, so I think he'll be there.
And then you're looking at that well, Bilbich showed a
lot of picks in severy reese last year, so I
probably expect him to be there, and then he could
be looking at a choice between another Hour or Lero Kata.

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I thought Lebrocada probably didn't enhance his claims last night.
Ammoni plays I think one match under Razor before being
through a cast aside, and so yeah, interesting to see
the makeup of their back three and what the sort
of forwards back splits as well. They can select up
to sety five, but they may not just because they

(01:00:57):
I know they do want to use the whole squad
throughout this July series.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
All right, and the fact that you're off to Tananaki
tomorrow to Barrett Country would suggest that we're going to
have the same captain, even though there were murmurings earlier
in the season after Ardie Save's herculean displays from a
Wanna Pacifica that he perhaps should be given the captain's armband.
It'll be s Barrett to lead the site again.

Speaker 13 (01:01:22):
Well indeed, yeah, off the Openaki Coast Rugby Club. I
can't imagine that the Barracks have ever bought a beer
in their life in recent times, so hopefully that extends
to the media.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Sure what I have to surely smiley of you all
over it, I'm sure, I'm sure. Well, hey, great analysis.
You've got a piece on the heral this morning as
well that people can can catch up on mid day tomorrow.
Is that when we're expecting David Kirk to address the
assembled throng about midday tomorrow?

Speaker 13 (01:01:53):
That's all right, yep, live on Sky and News talk
to their b I'm sure as well. So yeah, tune
in and there's always one or two surprises, so and
always a lot of interest in the first squad of here,
so looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
It travels into the Naki. Liam, thanks for joining us
this afternoon. They always appreciate your time and expertise.

Speaker 13 (01:02:13):
Just fine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
It gets up so mate, good only mate, look forward
to that, Liam Nape you insid Herold dot co dot
nz is where you can read his excellent analysis. He
has got a piece this morning which breaks down a
bit of what we've just talked about there as far
as the all Black squad is concerned. So up to
thirty five names, he may not name thirty five, so
you keen to just hear your views on a couple

(01:02:34):
of positions. Really, there are some where it feels as
though you can just name name the players who are
going to get picked half backs one Cameroy Guard Quartesla
Tom Noah Hootham. I don't think there's anybody else who's
going to break into that trio. The loose forwards really
interest me. And you know, you watch a player like
Duplas Kadifi and you think, what else, As Liam said,

(01:02:56):
what else could he have done to catch the selector's eyes?
The only thing that might well, a couple of things
I might play against him is they didn't go deep
into the playoffs the hurricane, They only had that one
game against the Brumbies. And Kharifi is a seven and
only a seven, whereas all of the others in this conversation,
the likes of Jacobson, Blackadder, Stiti Savia can all play

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in a couple of different positions. Maybe actually that is
something in Duplissi Khalifi's favor, the fact that he is
an out and out seven. You know what you're going
to get from him, and maybe you pick him for that.
But if Ardie Savia, as Liam suggested, is keen to
play seven this year, then does that in any way

(01:03:39):
put the squeeze on Duplissi Corefia. I mean you want cover,
but you look at the likes of a Jacobson or
a Blackadder, even who have worn seven for their franchise
and for their country. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty any names you expect to be there for the
first time, any names that you expect perhaps won't be

(01:04:01):
there that we might have expected to be there one
hundred and eighty ten eighty texts on nine to two
nine two. We've got a few minutes to talk all
Black selection if you so choose one twenty nine on
News Talks, heead b back with your calls right after.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
News Talk Seed Baby News Talks event just on twenty
seven away from two Talking All Black Selection. The team
is named at midday tomorrow squad of up to thirty
five to play France and test matches in Dunedin, in
Wellington and in Hamilton. The first of those games is
a fortnight yesterday, then the following two Saturdays, all five

(01:04:46):
past seven kickoffs, all broadcast live here on News Talks
headb with our rugby editor and match commentator Elliot Smith
leading our coverage. If you've got some thoughts on the
squad that might be unveiled tomorrow, be keen to hear
from you. I think, for the first time this afternoon
there's actually a spare line to jump on. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty who's in forward mix? Who starts

(01:05:08):
at first five against France in Dunedin? I think Liam's
probably right Bowden Barrett, I think shadowed or sorry, shaded
Damien McKenzie in the finals matches. Look, I said yesterday
I thought Damien mackenzie could have a big influence on
the final. Last night it turned out that Rivers Rayhanner

(01:05:31):
on the other side, had a bigger influence than the
ten jumper and was Man of the match. Damien McKenzie
hasn't become a bad player. He just had a night
probably that he would look back on and say, I
maybe didn't quite deliver the way I should have. Terry says,
Rivers Rayhanna is ten investment for the future to be
mentors by the two incumbents. Future proofing is essential in

(01:05:55):
the pivot role, especially when we think back to the
twenty eleven Rugby World Cup. Yes, andd Terry went through
a few then, didn't we We went through a few then. Actually.
Rob Penny was asked about Revers Rayhanna last night after
the game, not only in regard to the all Blacks announcement,
but on his performance last night, an earning man of
the match and his development as a player. He's Rob
Penny on Rivers Rahana.

Speaker 26 (01:06:16):
Probably I think four or five years ago in New
Zealand twenties had massive expectation about where he's going to.
He had to just got no opportunity, had a couple
of injuries, you know, in the first eighty months with us,
and now back end driven us through to a final.
I think that's probably about maybe his tenth or twelfth
Super game. He hasn't played much at this level yet,

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and he's been around the scene for a long time.
Just massive admiration for him, like Taha, his development at
the start and unfortunately got injured. So you know, the
development in that area is just so pleasing. The work
that the coaches are putting into those young men, those
young men embracing it, like to fill in the shoes
of Richie Mulwana, who was massive influence for a long time,

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but to beat it, you know, like to be objective
around that. Richie wasn't leading the Crusaders until he is
twenty two, twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Tahar's doing it as a.

Speaker 26 (01:07:09):
Twenty one year old and hasn't had the experience at
provincial level that Richie had. And this isn't this is
just about I guess people's expectation. Those peoples were in
the ten Jersey. It takes time to mold and grow
and develop and just so rapped where Tahara and Rivers
have got too, and we've got James White and behind

(01:07:31):
another exciting kid coming out of Canary Club Rugby futures Bright.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
That's Rob Petty speaking about Rivers, Rahana and also Taha
Kemeda and others. I mean Taha Kimeda was their man.
He was the first choice first five at the start
of the season and did really well. I was really
impressed with the Tahakkemda this year and gutted for him
and for the Crusaders when he went down injured. He
joined us in our pregame coverage last night and the recovery,

(01:07:57):
the rehabilitation is going well. By the sounds of things,
I could just hear their disappointment in his voice, not
being able to be out there, but he was all
in and his support of Reverse Ray Hannah and also
James O'Connor, who's part of that first five mix at
the Crusaders as well. I think it would be a
big call for Revers Rayhannah to make the All Blacks.
I was gonna say on the strength of last night,

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you know, with an exclamation mark. Last night he's been good.
He has been good. Don't get me wrong, but I'm
not sure that he's there ahead of, for example, a
guy like Ruben Love. I think Love will be in
the squad because he covers a number of positions and
is probably the third first five. Lee mentioned Stephen Petafetta.

(01:08:40):
He's hardly played, is he. That's the issue with Stephen
Petafetta being at the Blues is that he doesn't get
to play first five because Boden Barrett's there. So some
interesting little little challenges for the select this if you
text here, keep your hands on rivers, Rayhanna, he won't
be playing all blacks. He'll be too busy played for
the Northland Tunnyfah.

Speaker 11 (01:09:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
I think given the choice or I think there's a
pecking order here, they give his chosen with the all Blacks,
that's he'll be. He might get an interview too, who knows.
Let's not forget this is just a there's a squad
to be named for the Tests against France. Then there's
the Rugby Championship of course, and then the end view tour,
so guys are going to get opportunities text here. People forget.

(01:09:21):
Some players are made to look good by having dominant
players around them. You seem to have completely forgotten about
Timothy Tava Tava nahwe It seems like you think the
All Black should only be picked from the top couple
of teams. I certainly don't think that. I think of
a player plays well for his franchise, even if they
don't make it to the finals, for example, that they
should be rewarded. And we talked about Fabian holland we

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know Ethan de Groot's going to be there. To Mothy
tavatavannahweh is a very interesting proposition for the All Black
selectors can play a couple of positions. Offers that barn
storming type of robust play at second five, can also
play on the wing, so he's got the versatility. I
don't know. I mean, Timothy Tavatavanao may well be there tomorrow,

(01:10:06):
may well be named in the team. Did he fall
off a little bit at the back end of the season.
He was very good at the start of the season.
I just felt like it didn't he didn't quite kick
on the way he might have. And the point about
you know, not playing in good teams, I think if
you propel your team to heights that perhaps were unexpected,

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then that lifts your stocks who says we've got no
depth at first five Rivers, Rayhanna, man of the match
last night's performed well all season, Rubin Love as well. Wingers,
Clark's out of form. I'd go Reese Joanni in one
other Okay that we can all agree that ricque Yoanni's
not going to play in the wing anymore. Hit this
conversation about three years and much as people will say, oh,

(01:10:48):
he's a winger, I can't see the time that rigaue
Yanni ever plays on the wing again anyway. Garrisons Pinty
Person will be the third half back, Kyle Preston will
be the third half back. So I just can't see
how he would be chosen ahead of Noah Hotham. Hotham's
clearly number one at the Crusaders. Why would the All
Blacks go with Carle Preston, good player, kicks off both feet.

(01:11:12):
Just don't think he's their ahead of Hotham. Just don't
think that's the case. A couple of other texts before
we go to a break, Caleb Clark question Mark says, Mark,
there's been a few better performers. We may as well
move for He go out to the word again Marked,
I think's happening. Yeah, interesting and my concern says Mark.

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Another Mark is that Damien McKenzie couldn't take control of
that game last night. It is a concern when he
plays in the big games.

Speaker 15 (01:11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
We all, I think can agree that Damien McKenzie is
a terrific rugby player and I think we all want
to see him take control of big games and he
has last night. I think he would agree that he
didn't take control. But then you look and say, well, actually,
who had four dominance last night? Who had the majority
of the possession of the territory in the second half
in particular, wasn't the Chiefs, was the Crusaders. It'll be

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very interesting to see what the year plays out like
in terms of selection, not only at number ten but
other positions as well. The squad's named tomorrow at the
home of Coastal Rugby and a hotel near Operanaki. That
is where the announcement will be made. We'll have full
coverage on News Talks ZB from midday tomorrow and then
on Sports Talk tomorrow night. Get the opportunity to talk

(01:12:27):
to one of the debutants, whoever they might be, and
also assistant coach Jason Ryan will join us on sports
Talk on ZB tomorrow night between seven and eight. Let's
take a break and give some open mic therapy to
James mcconey, who no doubt is like most of the
Chiefs fan base, having a challenging Sunday, but he's agreed

(01:12:47):
to join us. As per usual, he never lets us down.
He always honors his commitments. James mcconey, After this, you
be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Sixteen to two on Texter to Mothy from the Highlanders
had more turnovers and tackle breaks than anyone. He deserves
a shot. I just don't know whether he makes it.
It's a pretty stacked field of midfielders. I guess we'll
find out tomorrow at midday. James mcconey is with us.
How are you getting on, mate?

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
Good a pony? Rugby sucks, winter sucks. If Donald Trump
wants to burn the world to the ground, I'm here
for it. Go ahead and make my day. Yeah, I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
I sat in the press conference last night with Clayton
McMillan and two poor Vai at the at the top table,
and I mean it's very, very hard to explain why
the Chiefs haven't been able to win a Grand Final.
I'm not sure that Clayton McMillan could even could even
articulate why they haven't been able to win any of
the last three. What were your main sort of takeaways

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from last night.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
Yeah, I did stop at McDonald's on the way home.
I mean, I have to admit it, that was the
main one. I actually what happens you summed it up
before Pinty. It was a forward battle. It was a
massive arm wrestle. It was an aerial battle as well,
and so the Crusaders won in the air. They won
and the and the forward battle, and they won key

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moments really, you know, winning the moment even when did
you notice when we had the Chiefs had a rare
attacking line out. I saw Corey went up for the
ball and Scott Barrett just ragged old him, you know,
to the ground, just pulled him actually towards his own
goal line. And I was just thinking, okay, is that legal?

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Probably?

Speaker 7 (01:14:38):
I don't know, but it's just effective. And there was
a turnover straight away. So those little key moments, I
think you can't fault the crusaders. But but for me,
how long do the chiefs have to be bridesmaids? You know,
like you don't want to be a bridesmaid every single time?
People start to feel sorry for you if your bridesmaid
every single wedding, you know, and then you start getting it.

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I mean there's people out there have been bridesmaids a lot,
right and I've been a groomsman a lot, and it's
not fun. And then in the end, when there's a
throwing of the bouquet, you know, you're doing lineout calls
and stuff like that, just trying to catch it just
gets a bit desperate.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Yes, I love the analogy. I honestly felt like this
was this was their time. I honestly felt as though
they would go there last night and win that game.
And you say small moments, the aerial battle, the armorss
will call it what you like. But yet I mentioned
before and you might not have heard me, but Damien
McKenzie afterwards, he was just sitting there, staring into the

(01:15:38):
middle distance, probably wondering what on earth he has to
do to win one of these things.

Speaker 7 (01:15:43):
Yeah, I know it wasn't Damien's best night, but do
you know the one thing and you would have been
screaming at the TV as well when the book broke
free and he just had to tow it ahead with
his left foot. And as a footballer, Pony, you got
to have a good You gotta be able to least
keep the ball and play with you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
With your wrong foot.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
And I was going more soccer practice with the Chiefs
because you've got to be able to keep the ball
and play there, Damien. And that was pretty much, and
of course obviously all the other stuff, but that stood
out for me for.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
You as well, Pony, did you know, Yeah, I remember,
I remember the exact moment you're talking about. Yeah, it's
the bounce of the rugby ball, isn't it. And it
did for a couple of people last night, bounced the
wrong way.

Speaker 7 (01:16:24):
But yeah, anyway, one thing I did want to say
is that, you know, the Chiefs, I think they left
it all out there, but they did seem to run
out of ideas. I was watching them box kick later
in the game when I sort of thought, well, is
now the time to run up. Do you have to
sort of have those moves, those breakopen glass moves that
you use in case of emergency And I didn't see that.
You know, where is that sort of innovative thinking and

(01:16:46):
where should you be taking ideas from other sports, from touch,
from soccer, from basketball, whatever it is, the no look pass,
all this kind of stuff. Where is the new wave
of ideas to break down a defense like the Crusaders.
It's so tough, So that's one thing I'd like to
see is innovation. The other thing is I just think,
you know, if rugby's going to end up that way

(01:17:08):
at the highest level, it doesn't really feel that exciting.
I watched Origin three nights earlier in pouring rain and
Perth and it was compelling. It was brilliant. There was
so much excent action and there were tries and rugby
in a pretty good night in christ Church was just
an absolute slug fest. And good on the Crusaders. They
dragged the Chiefs into a black hole and that's where
they love to be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Our match commentator Nick Buley pointed out to me last
night that there were seventy three kicks and play last night,
seventy three and it glues, box kicks in that but
that kick Tennis that happened at the start of the
second half, there were lots of there. Well, there was
a lot of kicking last night and the box kick Piney.

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
We need to do something about that because you know
what's going to happen is that people will be obsessed
with contesting. We're going to see more injuries just from
their midiar collisions, so you know it's going to be
like a World War One dog fight up there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
A lot of those guys from last night, we'll hear
their names read out tomorrow in the All Black Squad,
the first one of the year. We had Pussy or
Tossy bolter last year, and I don't think anybody picked
him any any potential bolters for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 7 (01:18:13):
I think we're all talking about the same people. I
did listen to Liam Napier, who didn't come into studio
even though he works here. Wow, but I'm here for
you Piney and Crystal Clear. But Liam's squad was very,
very good, and I think we can say safely say
that Fabian holland do Plessy Kadifi can't be bolt as
given they've been in the in the in the squad
before and have been talked about so much. Josh Fuzzy

(01:18:35):
Tour has been talked about along with now Olie Norris.
He played pretty well, even though Fletcher Newle was outstanding
against him. I think the one thing, my one bolt
I'm going to stick with is Caleb Tangy Tao. I
think if he's fit, they'll give him a chance because
there is room for an exciting strike winger with electric pace,
and I think it's him, but someone a little bit

(01:18:58):
like him. So is there a shootout between him and
you know, Finny Young and or four or someone new
that could sit and then Simon Parker. Unlucky he didn't
get to play the big games, but I think he'll
make the All Black fifteen and maybe even a wider
training group. That's that's my prediction.

Speaker 9 (01:19:15):
Te you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I quite liked watching earlier in the season and he
was kind of ruled out laid on through concussions and
stuff with Shaefee hockey. I quite like the way that
he goes about things.

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
I think Shay is definitely on there well, another one
who's been in the squad and last year I was
pumping up Shay. I think He's probably one of those
guys if they're staying consistent with their development of selection,
who will be the one to cut tangy tails lunch
if you know. If that's the case, you know he's
got the all round skills and the kicking game that
you need. But one just a note of warning.

Speaker 16 (01:19:44):
To raise it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:45):
If you're thinking, okay, you want to choose all those
players that can slug it out and win you a game,
that's exactly what Rassi and the Springboks want. They want
to take you down into the mean streets as well
after the purge on and just go and turn it
into a massive street brawl. That's so don't necessarily give
them what they want. That's where you've got a lot

(01:20:06):
for a few points of difference. And and that's why
even I know you're text to Tavatava Nahwai, well why not?
You know there's there there has to be some little
change and obviously I'm big on prop to to start
at thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Just before you go, you mentioned Origin the other night.
I was quite pleasantly surprised to see that series squared up.
I fully expected that New South Wales would win and
win comfortably, and they got themselves a win at the end.
But I just say it was quite a compelling watching
the rain and Perth.

Speaker 13 (01:20:37):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 12 (01:20:38):
It was.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
I mean Origin just seldom disappoints. And I think that,
you know, the first ten minutes of an Origin game
of exactly what every promoter would want. And I mean
at times I think it was Rivers Raihan who ran
the ran the bullbacks so strongly last night. A couple
of big hits and even the tackle what by Daniel
Honor on branden En, all that sort of Origin esque

(01:20:59):
But yeah, that that that for me is the benchmark
of like Pinnacle Club or Rep Rugby. But the other
thing I did want to touch on Piney because I
know you're a soccer football man like myself. Seeing Auckland
City get spanked over at the Club World Cup says
to me that that system has to change. There has
to be a way a work around where we do

(01:21:21):
send oceany as best club team, which is Auckland FC.
They have to find a way that there is a
playoff system. I know they play in an Asian league
because of the A League being Australian and that Ozzie's
in Asia, but for all intents and purposes, the best
team in Oceany is Auckland f C.

Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
They have to go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
I think you'll find that that is exactly what happens
from now on, and maybe what's happened to Auckland City
try as they have a ten nil and a six
nil and who knows what happening is Bocker juniors. I
think you'll find that maybe that is the catalyst for change. Hey, well,
thank you for one upping Liam Napier and coming into
your place of work for a chat that I mate,
It's been good, good to chat as all ways.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
Thanks mate, There's too many Crusaders jerseys in this office,
but I'm leaving right now.

Speaker 13 (01:22:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Love it made always love you your contributions to our show.
James mcconey a big part of our Sundays seven to
two News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fields, weekend
sport with Jason Pin News Talk ZENB.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
News Talk's have been coming up three and a half
away from two after two. In case you missed it,
we'll bring up today with a bunch of stuff you
might have missed and then this very interesting story that
broke on Friday evening that Peter Berling has not been
unemployed for long in the America's Cup space, he will
join Luna Rossa. How big a boost is this to

(01:22:43):
Luna Rosser? More on that after two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
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It's all on Weekend Sport.

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With Jason Pine on your home of Sport.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
News, Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
News, TALKSB and Weekend Sport. Just on seven past two.
Welcome into the show, Welcome back to the show. We're
here till three. Then Tim Be takes over for the
Sunday edition of the Weekend Collect that the show's coming
in from coming to you from christ Church, where there
is still a rosy glow around the city. I can
say it's yeah. I think you get to feel about

(01:23:21):
a place, don't you, The day after a significant sporting win,
and just walking around christ Church this morning, it was
a bit chilly, but crisp, cool and clear, a lot
of red and black around, a lot of happy people,
a lot of happy punters. We've got a bit more
on this game at the back end of the show
before we get to that, though. The news that landed

(01:23:43):
sort of late Friday evening or sort of mid evening,
I guess you'd say about six seven o'clock Friday evening,
dropped into our own boxes about Peter Berling. Peter Berling
is going to Luna Rossa. Look, we knew he wasn't
going to be at emirateste In New Zealand anymore. That
decision was made a couple of months back. But I
think we also knew that we weren't going to be

(01:24:04):
without Peter Berling in and America's Cup very long, and
so it's proved he's joining Luna Rosser. Professor Mark Orm's
standing by the chat to us about this. The I
guess one of the interesting parts of this is that,
as I understand it, and Mirk will be able to
explain this, it is an off the water roll because
there are rules in the America's Cup that and again

(01:24:26):
Professor ORMs will explain this that if you've sailed for
a syndicate in the previous regatta, you can't sail for
a different syndicate in the next one. So Peter Berling
helmed Emirates Team New Zealand to victory in the last one.
So presumably if the rules stay the same and there's
no suggestion that they won't. He can't sail actually get

(01:24:46):
out on the boat for Luna Rossa in the next
America's Cup Regatta. He can obviously, you know, perform it
off the water roll but no, Peter Berling seems to
me like a sailor who wants the spray on his face.
He wants to be out there on the water. Anyway,
we'll discuss that. Paul Gallon's on the show. Paul Gallon's

(01:25:06):
going to fight Sonny Bill Williams next month in Sydney.
After ten years of verbal sparring, they're finally going to
do the real thing. So Paul Gallon on that and
be interested to hear his thoughts on Sunny Bill Williams
claims that he uses performance and enhancing drugs. Says with
us and today, while I was in christ Church this
morning before the show, got the chance to get to

(01:25:27):
Takaha the new stadium here in the Garden City, which
is nearing its its construction completion, shall we say, really
really exciting to see it go up in the CBD
here in christ Church. Had a bit of a chat
to one of the I's gonna say one of the organizers,
he's not the organizers. One of those involved in the

(01:25:49):
construction of the stadium got that to play for you
before three o'clock as well. All lines of communication always
open our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two on text approaching ten past two, as we
always do at aaranabet this time on weekendsport, Let's get
you up to date with some of the things that
you might have missed, some of the things that might
have escaped your intention in the last little while. It's

(01:26:11):
in case you missed it. Starting in the NRL, the
Newcastle Knights have continued their inconsistent season, but in positive fashion.
They beat the Dolphins last night.

Speaker 19 (01:26:22):
Wiv Doe coming forward, didn't get there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
He touched the ball. Here is best for saying still
the last broke.

Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
Water reach out, did he keep his hand off the ground?

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
It looked as though he did that last minute try,
giving the Knights the twenty six twenty victory. Meantime, it
was even later in the Storm Rabbitos game to find
a winner.

Speaker 10 (01:26:46):
Papenhausen's about fifteen meters behind the play just left on
the post.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
Here he comes got us.

Speaker 9 (01:26:55):
Paven Housen get's the wind for the velvet storm.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
He the storm and out last the bunnies. Hit a
second half hairpit, that golden point winner from Ryan Pappenhausen,
putting the st up to third on the NRL Ladder
to cricket. A burg century from Olie. Pope has kept
England and with a fighting chance and their test against India,
he'll get there. He will get there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
And celebrate in sun style.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
The external noise around Folly Pope, his position in the
site has been raging and he has answered it in
the best way possible. England two hundred and nine for
three in reply to India's four hundred and seventy one
and their first innings to supercars. A great day out
in Darwin for brock Feenie.

Speaker 27 (01:27:42):
Coming out of the final corner as it was for
the last two races in Western Australia, rock Peenie once
again puts a perfect drive together in maximum points in
the first race in Darwin for a foreign victory.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
So it's been a perfect score so far for rock Feenie.

Speaker 27 (01:27:58):
So far this weekend he has had two pole positions
and he has had two race victories.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Indeed two races two wins for the of the Car's leader,
making it for race wins in a row. Our men's
Black Sticks have defended their Nations League Hockey title, thrashing
Pakistan six to two in the final in Malaysia. They
were five mil up at a half time. Captain Nick
Woods was Player of the Tournament.

Speaker 28 (01:28:23):
It's nice to have one of those games where things
just come together and it all clicked today. So I'm
very happy to happen in the final, and I'm very
happy for our success and looking forward to what we
accomplished together.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
And plenty of kiwe golfers in action. Lydia Co at
the Women's PGA Championship back to here with.

Speaker 13 (01:28:41):
The second shots on the fifth hole all week begg first, bounce, shop, yeah,
pitching it far enough short and that is perfection from
Lydia Coo, what a shot.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
That is a tough outing for everybody. Only two players
under par. Lydia is tied for twenty six at six over.
Ryan Fox, meantime is at the Travelers Championship.

Speaker 20 (01:29:00):
Ryan Fox given it a go from two thirty two,
had a beauty here look at is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
He'll have that for eagle and gets it.

Speaker 20 (01:29:14):
One hunder.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Parnow two under for the tournament tied for thirty seventh
and Steven Elker, who finds himself tied for the lead
at the Senior Players Championship, eyeing up a second career major.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
A tough stretch of halls right now, that is something?

Speaker 14 (01:29:35):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Indeed, Alcer's third birdie of the day gets him to
within one of the lead.

Speaker 13 (01:29:42):
What a great uh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World
Weekend Sport with Jason Piell, TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
News, TALKSB and Weekend Sport coming up. Fourteen minutes past two.
The news broke on Friday night that three time America's
Cup winning helmsman with Emirates Team New Zealand Peter Berling
will join Lunar Rossa for the next America's Cup. Former
New Zealand and World champion sailor Team New Zealand member
and sailing professor Mark Orhams is with us to break

(01:30:15):
this down. Mark. First of all, when you heard this news,
were you surprised by it?

Speaker 15 (01:30:20):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:30:21):
Not too much of a surprise, given that we had
already heard that Peter Berling was not going to be
around within the Team New Zealand ranks for the thirty
eighth America's Cup, so it was only a matter of
time before one of the other challenges picked them up.
Such a good get, and the fact that Lerna Rossa
prior to Pralli ended up with Pete as a massive

(01:30:41):
coup for them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
How much demand would Peter Berling have been in Would
his phone have started ringing or not his phone maybe
but his agent's phone or whoever looks after these things.
Would there have been immediate contact made with his representatives
once it was known he was leaving Emirates Team New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (01:30:57):
Oh absolutely. In fact, I think there would have been
communication and just sort of sounding out with Peter long
before that, immediately after the end of the Lastmerica's Cup.
Remembering that this is somebody who has a track record
now second to none, including Russell Coops in terms of
America's Cups, Skipper's victories and the Youth America's Cup before that.

(01:31:18):
So Pete Berling is as an outstanding all round sailor.
He's technically very very smart, and from Luna Rossa prior
Farelli's perspective, this elevates them now to a very very
strong position.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
In terms of what he can and can't do at
Luna Rossa under the nationality rule. Smart, can you just
explain where we are with that right now?

Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
Yes, certainly so. At the moment, the protocol for the
thirty eighth America's Cup is still a draft so yet
to be finalized between the defender Emirates Team New Zealand
and the challenger of record a seen a racing that's
been Ainsley's name of his new team, But within the
draft protocol it puts forward exactly the same restrictions as

(01:32:04):
for the thirty seventh America's Cut up last time, and
that being that if you've sailed for a team in
the America's Cup immediately prior, you're not allowed to actually
sail for your new team in the subsequent Cup. So
if that protocol is confirmed for the thirty eighth America's Cup,
that means Peter Berling will not be permitted to sail

(01:32:25):
on board during the racing. Of course, for practice racing
and so on, he can, but during the racing itself
he won't be permitted to be part of the sailing team.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
How much would that dilute his value to Lunarossa.

Speaker 9 (01:32:40):
I don't think a huge amount. The value that Pete
brings is his experience and especially I think in terms
of his understanding of the critical decisions that are made
in the years leading up to the America's Cup. So
the performance in the America's Cup itself is determined by
what happens in the key decisions the years leading up

(01:33:02):
to it, and Peter has been intimately involved with all
of those decisions as the skipper and the lead of
the sailing team with an Emirates Team New Zealand on
the three occasions now that they've won. So that's the
big value that he brings. What Leonard Rossi, Prada Prelia
doing is setting themselves up for the future. They've already

(01:33:22):
indicated that they are changing out from their long standing
helmsman and skippers in Francesco Brunie the Italian and Jimmy Spittle,
and they've changed out to two extremely talented Italian sailors,
Ruggiero Tito and Marco Griddoni. And they've indicated that before
Marco Gradoni is an outstanding talent like Peter Berling before

(01:33:45):
him won the Youth America's Cup last time. So you know,
this is a team that is looking to the future
and the investment with Peter Berling adds value to bringing
those two new talented young helmsman on board to form
a very formidable sailing team.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
I understand all of what you've said about Peter Berling
being involved in everything that leads up to them regatter itself,
but I don't know Mark. Peter Berling strikes me as
an on the water sailor. He wants the ocean spray
in his face. That's how I feel about Peter Berling.
How would he go in an off the water roll?

Speaker 9 (01:34:19):
I think you'll add enormous value where Peter And this
is really what caused the I guess the decision from
Grand Bolton for Peter not to continue on with Emirates
team isyonder, is that Peter is very much focused on
the Black Foils and the sale GP given them. You
think about a competitive person like Peter Berling three straight

(01:34:42):
America's Cups, but what he hasn't done is he hasn't
won Sale GP in four straight seasons. He's come close,
but this is something he's yet to knock off, and
so his competitive ambitions will be really driven to develop
the Black Foils to be successful in something that they
haven't knocked off yet, so he will get in effect
his competitive sailing fixed through his sale gp Endeavors lunar

(01:35:06):
Rosi Prator Pralli will be him at a stage in
his life and career in the America's Cup where I
think he'll get satisfaction out of seeing the value he
can add to developing some rookie America's Cup helms people
in the new team that they're bringing together on this
sailing crew for Lunarossa.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
If you look into your crystal ball, then beyond the
thirty eighth to the thirty ninth when presumably if the
rules stay the same, he would be eligible to get
back on the boat. Can you see him doing that
or do you think that for the America's Cup he'll
be off the water and as on the water stuff
will be with the Black Boys moving forward.

Speaker 9 (01:35:42):
Yeah, that's a good question. Hard to know. I mean,
whole there's a whole bunch of things that will determine that.
I think Peter Berling will certainly had the talent and
certainly the experience to be successful if he was to
come back to a sailing position. Whether the thirty ninths
America's Cup will allow him to do that will largely
depend on who wins the thirty eighth America's Cup and

(01:36:04):
the rules that they set for the next edition, So
you know, there are a whole bunch of things that
would need to happen there. But Peter Burley's not done yet.
One of the things about the sport of sailing is
that you can stay very competitive, unlike many other sports,
into your forties. Remembering that Peter Burley is still in
his thirties, so he's not done yet and wouldn't surprise

(01:36:25):
me to see him helming in America's Cup boat again
sometime down the track.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Well on or off the water, and likely off the
water for the thirty eighth. Then how much does this
boost Lunar Rossa. Are they now likely to be the
challenger for the thirty eighth America's Cup.

Speaker 9 (01:36:41):
Well, it's a long way out, but what we know
is that the key decisions that you make now determine
how competitive you're going to be when it comes to
race time. And remembering that this cycle is quite short,
it's only two years until the next America's Cup series,
so Lunarrosa prator probably have a number of things in
their favor now. One is that are a very very

(01:37:02):
stable and competitive team. They've got continuity in terms of
key personnel, in terms of sponsors, so they don't have
to go out there and hustle like Ben Ainsley's having
to do at the moment to try and sort of
resurrect his team post Anios breakup. So they've got that continuity.
They've recruited extremely well. And by the way, Peter Burley

(01:37:22):
is not the only ex Emirates Team New Zealand member.
Josh Jr. One of the key members of Emirates Team
New Zealand's success, moved to Lunarosa Prator Parali at the
beginning of this year, so they've built their stocks and
of course they've now got and effect the home court
advantage with the announcement that Naples is the host of
the thirty eighth America's Cup. That's only a very short

(01:37:44):
distance from the base at the southern end of Sidonia
where Lunarosa Prator Parrelli is, So there's a whole bunch
of things stacking up in favor of Lunarosa Prator Parlli.
Now they will be a formidable team. They already are.
They're even more formidable now, So you would have to
say that at this stage, even though it's two years away,
they are in the box seat to be the challenger,

(01:38:05):
and they will be a very strong challenger if they
get through the series to challenge for the thirty eighth
America's Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Mark what about the dynamic between Peter Berling and some
of his Black Foils teammates, And I think about Blair Chuck,
for example, who he is a teammate of with the
Black Foils and Sale GP and now will presumably be
an adversary of during the America's Cup. How would those
dynamics play out.

Speaker 9 (01:38:32):
Yeah, that's an interesting point, isn't it? I think? And
this is not the first time where we've seen the
sort of the type four of the basis of Emirates
Team New Zealand and the Black Foils. Andy Maloney was
quite a surprise when he chose to move on from
the Black Foils and he's now sailing for the Brazilian
team in Sale GP, but he's remaining with Emirates Team

(01:38:55):
New Zealand. So and Blair Chuck of course, and Pete
Berlin there type they've been great mates Olympic partners for
three campaigns and and co CEOs of the Black Foils.
So you know, those friendships I think transcend who these
people are competing for. They run long, they run deep,

(01:39:16):
and we're in a stage now. I think in professional
sailing where people moving and competing for different teams, there
the analogous to what we see in a lot of
other professional sports where those friendships remain. You're absolutely fear
as competitors, in this case on the water or in
other places on the field, on the court, but off
the court or off the field, off the water, you

(01:39:39):
still retain those friendships in the respect that's been built
over decades of sailing with and now sailing against one another.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Fascinating times ahead, Mark, thanks so much for joining us
this afternoon and lending us your analysis. Really appreciate it,
absolute pleasure. No thanks, mate, that's our professor, Mark Oram's
sailing professor, Mark Orams, former New Zealand and World champion
sailor and Team New Zealand member.

Speaker 11 (01:39:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Look, I don't think any of us thought that Peter
Berlin would do nothing when he left Emirates Team New Zealand.
I guess we maybe thought that he would just put
his full focus on the black foils. But he is,
as you heard Mark say, one of the greats of
America's Cup sailing, a three time winning America's Cup helmsman.

(01:40:23):
Of course he was going to be in demand. His
phone would have been ringing, probably even before he made
the decision to go. Luna Rossa have secured his signature.
Sailing people talk to me about like I say, I
feel like, I don't know. Would it be like a
motor racing driver who's been driving their whole life? Likely
and Lawson, Let's say, if he gets to the stage
where you know, he's been doing Grand Prix for a

(01:40:46):
few years, and then someone said, it may come over
to our team, but you're not going to drive the car.
You're going to be part of part of our off
track team. It's probably not a direct analogy, is it.
But would Peter Berling sailing people, would you get as
much satisfaction and buzz from being on dry land as

(01:41:10):
you would from being out there with the sea in
your face and the wind in your sails as it were.

Speaker 18 (01:41:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
I don't know Peter Berling at all. I've spoken to
him a number of times on the show. Heck of
a nice guy, absolutely outstanding sailor. But I don't know. Maybe,
as Mark said, he'll get his on the water buzz
from the Black Foils, and he'll he'll get a different
kind of invigoration by helping Luna Rossa in an off

(01:41:40):
boat capacity fascinating to see. And then when and if
look if he stays with Luna Rossa and then becomes
eligible if you like to get back on the boat
in the thirty ninth America's Cup, the one after the
one to come next? Would he get back on two
twenty six? Is the time? Ken to he views on

(01:42:01):
that O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,
two nine and two on text? And look, the rules
always been there. And I guess when Grant Dalton let
then let Peter Berlin go. But when they when they
parted ways, Grant Dalton would have known. Of course, he
would have everybody knew that he wasn't going to better
sale in the next regatta. But does that dilute his

(01:42:23):
value by the sounds of things, It doesn't. It's free market,
isn't it. People can come and go wherever they like
in an America's Cup and the Black Foils, Andy Maloney
went to the Brazilian team. You can move around if
you want to. Peter Berlings probably feels like he's done
all he caned at Team New Zealand. Three America's Cups
give me a new challenge to twenty six back after

(01:42:45):
this on Newstalk's HEADB.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
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News Talks, Heab and Weekend Sport. It's two twenty nine.
After a decade of increasingly bitter verbal jousting, the biggest
Trans Tasman grudge match of all time is finally going
to hit the boxing ring. Powered by Minuca Fuel, Sonny
Bill Williams and Paul Gallant will finally meet in the

(01:43:17):
boxing ring at Kudos Bank Arena in Sydney on Wednesday,
July sixteen from seven thirty New Zealand Time Live and
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he played three hundred and forty eight matches New South

(01:43:39):
Wales state of origin captain, twenty thirteen Rugby League World
Cup winner with the Kangaroos and three time Dally M
Locke of the Year and Sunny Bill Williams opponent on
July sixteen, Paul, Welcome to the show. Why has this
taken so long?

Speaker 15 (01:43:57):
I have to ask, Yeah, you compatriot Senny Bill Williams,
the cow that he didn't want to gain need me.
That's pretty much the reason, mate, There's no other reason
for it. It's been spaking arount for a lot long time.
I think early on in the in the piece, it
was sort of never really going to happen, but so
certainly from two eight, nineteen twenty one, yeah eighty one
to borrow me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
You haven't been in the ring for what three years?
Is this the only fight you'd come back for?

Speaker 15 (01:44:20):
Yeah, definitely one forty three years old on forty four
after after this fight, a month after the fight, and
it's been the last time I come back for. I
told it was all back there, I said everyone back
in two thousand and twenty one publicly something he's waiting
for me to get too old, which is exactly what
he's done.

Speaker 24 (01:44:34):
But you know what.

Speaker 15 (01:44:35):
I think I've got enough left in me to get
the job done.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Why didn't you turn up to the fight announcement press conference?

Speaker 15 (01:44:43):
Because it made it go bigger than what it would
have been. It would have turned up and I would
have caught him account for only fighting two minute rounds
and we were in the same old who are But
you know I didn't turn up and then made it
good I did. Today. Boxing is about, I suppose, exposure
and creating a bit of hype and exactly what it did.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
The two minute rounds. How does well, First of all,
you're obviously not a fan of it, but how does
it change you fight strategy?

Speaker 15 (01:45:08):
Just through him?

Speaker 18 (01:45:09):
Man?

Speaker 15 (01:45:09):
I mean he's a big guy. He's a powerful afelete.
We understand that, and power runs out pretty quickly in
combat sports. And then they's longer than me. He's told
than me. He just wants to keep me, arrange a
be how to hold me when I come insout, which
also need a lot to hold intentionally in boxing, hears,
so he's just he's just put the chips in his
favor and try to stack everything in favor. But as

(01:45:32):
I said, man, by the end of the fight, I'll
get hold of him and I'll win.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
He has made suggestions that you're using performance enhancing drugs.
What is your response to that?

Speaker 15 (01:45:43):
No, it's just a ridiculous, man, It's that's him to
look at for exist. I thought this, what what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
I mean, how much does that hurt them when you
hear comments like that from him?

Speaker 15 (01:45:55):
Look, at the end of the day, I think you
got a respect well the person that's saying it, And
I don't respect him. He's an idiot. Honestly, he's an
absolute dope. I've got no respect for him as any
So to be able to listen to things from a
person you don't respect that from a person they like
it's water ducts back on, so that he has no
in my life. Yeah, I don't like him.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
He's been training with Ossie Cruz White world champion Ji Opataia,
who I know. You know, Well, do you think he's
going to try and fight like Gi does?

Speaker 14 (01:46:27):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:46:28):
Look, I think at the end of the day, he's
telling Dremmy thinks you can I mean, I spy beside
before he went to school fifteen years ago when he
was sixteen seventeen years of age, to drive down and
spy me and Corey Patterson, a couple of foot players
before school, and Blake's been training his whole life to
be a fighter, and he thinks something things on six
or seven weeks training camp with Joe, You're about to
fight like gay? Yeah, I find it laughable. It just

(01:46:51):
got to show insecureus. And he's the type of person
I needs to have people around him and tell him
everything's going to be okay, and tell him he's doing well,
like every day boxes in a sport. I can't get
in there and fight for him. Cap apatire can't get
in there and fight for him. Yeah, it's another example
of the security. Sunny has a bed intel.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
How is your training for the fight going?

Speaker 15 (01:47:11):
So right? I made you know. I think when you
get to in your fortyes, things a little bit harder,
but you know that that's just life. I'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
How much have you had to alter things now that
you're you're getting.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
A bit older?

Speaker 15 (01:47:22):
No, yeah, you go pull back a little bit. You
came from trainings intense their as you once did, that's
for sure. But yeah, okay for all sort of stick
and do a little routine that we're going and things
aren't okay?

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Will this be your last, Paul, the last time.

Speaker 15 (01:47:37):
No doubt forty four, one month after the fight. Sunny
Sonny's done, Welder, It's a way until I've got past
my best. I've sat there front many times, have you
that that's what he's waiting to do? And yeah, he's
done that. But I still think I've got enough left
in me to beat this plate.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Is this all real you talk about you know, hype
and boxing has always been about that, But is this
genuine dislike for him on your part?

Speaker 15 (01:48:00):
I've got absolutely air respect for his plate. There's nothing
about him my life at all, nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
But goard on.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
New South Wales couldn't get the job done in Origin too, mate.

Speaker 15 (01:48:11):
Yeah, I know they scored more tries in their position
and we're beaten. That's not a good way to go down. Obviously,
goal kicking was issue for them, has been in the
first two games. But then the right to get a
decider and bring it down the city because they won
that first game. So I think then they you said,
just play play the way they can play and probably
living on a discipline in the first half, they win

(01:48:31):
the match. I think they can still get the job done.

Speaker 11 (01:48:33):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
Well, just back to the fight. Finally, a lot of
a lot of punters on the side of the jitch.
You'll be signing up for pay per view. What are
we going to see on July sixteenth?

Speaker 15 (01:48:43):
I think by then the fight I catch up with
him now he's obviously gone the shorter rounds of two
many rounds because it suits him, and he wants to
keep me at bay, keep me away from him with
his length, and when I get closer, probably I tie
me up. But at the end of the day, this
is boxing. All that intentionally hold or intentionally tie up,
So hopefully the referees under that, and yeah, I think
by the end the fight and knock him out.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
All the bestI your Paul, thanks for joining us, mate,
thanks mate out. Paul Gallon up against Sonny Bill Williams
Kudos Bank Arena, Sydney, July sixteen, seven to thirty, New
Zealan Time Power by Minuca Feel Get it live and
exclusive in New Zealand on pay per view from sky
Arena Skysport. Now not a lot of gray area there
from Paul Gallon the way he feels about Sunny Bill Williams.

(01:49:26):
Very curious to see what's going to happen in this fight.
We had a bit of feedback when we had Sonny
Bill on was that last week week before about how
it was, you know, I mean the two minute rounds,
not real boxing, that sort of thing. But I'm very
curious to see what happens when these two get in
the ring together. Paul Gallon with not a lot of
nice things to say about Sonny Bill Williams and it
goes both ways. Yes, So July sixteen, we'll see what
plays out. At least take a break. It's two thirty

(01:49:48):
five shows coming to here from christ Church this weekend,
and yesterday had the chance to go through Pudackyoti, which
is the new indoor sporting facility that's going to be
ready hopefully at the back end of this year. The
other one here in christ Chitch, of course, is their
brand new stadium, Techkaha, which is scheduled for opening in

(01:50:10):
early twenty twenty six. It's impossible to miss now in
christ Church as it sits right in the CBD and
is rising impressively against the christ Church Skyline. Had the
opportunity to have bit of a mini tour of Tekaha
this morning before the show, chatted to the project director,
so I got that chat for you when we come back.

(01:50:32):
A bit more about Techkaha on Weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Sport The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with
Jason Kine and GJ. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home
builder news.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Dogs mb bang on two forty weekend Sport from christ
Church this weekend, where a new stadium is taking shape
and on target to open early next year. Tech Kaha
rising into the christ Church sky in the CBD boarded
by Madras, Tuham, Barbados and Hereford Street. So I was
taken on a tour this morning by Tekaha project manager

(01:51:04):
Kent Summerfield. We had a cheer once the walking was done.
I asked first of all, which major pieces of work
are still to be completed on Tekah.

Speaker 29 (01:51:14):
Well, a lot of it happens in parallel. Obviously, we've
got a lot of open workfront. So at the moment
we're completing installation of the secondary steel for the roof structure.
We're getting pretty close to tiding that up. Then down
on the south east corner of the site, we're getting
underway with the seating installation, so that we'll continue around

(01:51:36):
the seating bowl and we should wrap that up. Late
this year, we're getting underway with the installation of the
ethylene tetra flora ethylene roof, which in symbol terms is
the clear portion of the roof to the north of
the site. We're wrapping up the last installation of the

(01:51:56):
solid roofing and we'll be continuing with the cladding to
the facade right around to the north, and later on
this year will be bringing the turf that we've got
growing out there at the turf farm at the moment,
rolling that up and bringing that to site to lay
it out. And then we're just getting underway at the

(01:52:17):
moment with some of the external works, the landscaping around
the arena. So there's a lot happening at once. It
will be a busy last eight to ten months for
us on site, but as you can see, the busily
working working.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Through all of that, so we're well on track for
April next year.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
We're standing in the middle of what will be the
playing surface or off to one side, so is the
grass the last thing to go in? Will that be
one of the last things that we see, certainly.

Speaker 29 (01:52:49):
One of the last things, and obviously that'll be a
big milestone. Are going to look very different to what
it does now, which essentially a crane platform where we're standing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
But yeah, it will be one of the last things.

Speaker 29 (01:53:01):
So as we move along the site to the north
and get rid of the lifting lifting platforms that we've
got in here at the moment, working at height will
start to build up that field of play and once
that's completed, yeah, we'll be bringing the turf, so yeah,
that'll be happening late this year and then there will
just be finishing works with the fit out internally and

(01:53:23):
the landscaping to wrap things up.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
One of the benchmarks of any build, I think is
getting the roof on. Always of a roof shout did
you get a roof? Shout going when you got the
roof on? Well, we're not quite there yet, but yeah,
look it will be.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
It will be a big milestone and a big celebration.

Speaker 29 (01:53:40):
So you can see the solid portion of the roof
is very close to finish and yeah, the ETF will
take us through towards the end of the year to
wrap that up. So yeah, that is a big, big
challenge technically challenging obviously the roof structure and then installation

(01:54:00):
of the clouding, so we'll certainly celebrate once we've got
that wrapped up and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
The seat what kind of seating is it? Are they
plastic bucket seats? What's the seating here? Yeah, the plastic seating,
people will be happy to hear.

Speaker 29 (01:54:15):
They are larger than the ones that we've got in
the existing stadium, so a bit of extra patron comfort.
So yeah, the installation of those will be getting underway
very shortly. And yeah, there's a cultural pattern incorporate into
those so produced by a local terary artists, So yeah,

(01:54:37):
they're going to look quite striking when they're in.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
And going back a level presumably there's everything that you know,
the field of players, what most people will see when
they arrive here, watch on television, all that sort of thing,
But things like broadcast facilities, corporate lounges, you know, meeting spaces.
They're all in the process of being done now or
is that still to come as well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 29 (01:54:58):
The fit out as well and truly progressed. It's at
varying stages around the building, but particularly in the western
stand very advanced. So on level one up here, we've
got the function lounge capable of hosting up to around
nine hundred people and divisible in two.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
You can see all the glazings in.

Speaker 29 (01:55:22):
All the lining's carpet down, so a lot of those
areas getting pretty close to finished. Likewise, the corporate suites
on level two, the Premium, General and Missionary on level three,
and then up there on level four you can see
the coaches and media boxes all framed out in. Some
of the internal finishing is just getting pretty close to

(01:55:45):
being finished in there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
And then over in the.

Speaker 29 (01:55:48):
Southern and eastern stands we've got the Level one concourse.
A bit hard to see from here, but we've got
the fit out of the food and beverage outlets. We've
got thirty two of those dotted around the concourse primarily, and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
They're well advanced as well well.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
So we're on track. We always hear about it. Obviously,
we're on track for twenty twenty six. Is that out
of your hands? Have you got a delivery date that
you have to deliver or what are we talking in
terms of when it may may be open?

Speaker 29 (01:56:19):
Yeah, so April is our target date. Obviously a lot
of excitement around that. Some of our stakeholders very keen
to get in potentially earlier than that, but look that
that is our target date and we are on track
for that, and if we're able to deliver it earlier

(01:56:39):
then that'd be great. But yeah, April's April's the goal.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
It's an exciting time for the city, isn't it. The
city has been through a lot, you know, and you
come here now we're having the last couple of years
and to see this rising right in the CBD, it
must be a very exciting time for Cantabrians.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Yeah, it is, and it's great.

Speaker 29 (01:56:56):
I think that feedback that we're getting from the public
and in the excitement you feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
I mentioned some of the stakeholders.

Speaker 29 (01:57:03):
They can see what's going on, they are desperately keen
to get in here, and I think it's Yeah, it
is a regional asset for the community, and we do
have a wide variety of stakeholders who, Yeah, they can

(01:57:24):
see the potential uses, they can see how they might
be involved, and yeah, it is a lot of excitement
building out there, and yeah, we are looking forward to
to handing it over and getting in here and just
starting to think about all the historic events that will

(01:57:45):
take place here, sporting and cultural and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Corporate, et cetera. It is very exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
I know when rugby players go to Duneda to Forsyth Bar,
they try and hit the roof, try and boot it
up and hit the roof out doors, the roof, it's well,
it's lowest and it's highest points it's.

Speaker 29 (01:58:03):
Around so the total height of the buildings around fifty
meters and then you've got the fifteen meter roof structure.
We will also have the mother grid rigging system to
the south of the site, so at its last point
it's around thirty three meters.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
So it'll take an impressive.

Speaker 29 (01:58:21):
Punt as you could see, and I think that have
to be trying pretty hard to deliberately achieve that. So yeah,
it's consistent with other covered arenas in terms of its height.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
Just to finish to you sort of allow yourself to
crystal ballgas a bit down the track three or four
years and think about this as a as a full
in use facility for sport, for cultural events, for concerts.
Do you imagine what that might be like?

Speaker 6 (01:58:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Absolutely.

Speaker 29 (01:58:50):
I mean I grew up in Canterbury and going to
Lancaster Park and went to a lot of events there
and it was a real hub and I think this
will be very much the same but enhanced again because
we're going to be obviously indoors, and yeah, just the

(01:59:13):
level of comfort and I think the togetherness that this
will bring to the community is hugely exciting. And yeah,
just picturing those big events coming back, the sporting teams playing.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
In here, it's going to be massive for the community.

Speaker 3 (01:59:31):
That is the voice of Takaha project manager Kent Summerfield.
Many thanks Kent for taking us on a tour this
morning and giving us an update on the progress of
christ Church's brand new stadium. Just on eleven away from three,
I wanted to circle back to last night, just to finish.
We had the opportunity, as I mentioned at the top
of the show, to get into the changing sheds afterwards

(01:59:52):
and afterwards for a little while and soak up some
of the celebrations. I caught up with Colin Mansbridge, CEO
of the team. He was on the show yesterday of
course in the lead up to last night. He was
there afterwards as well. Obviously I caught up briefly with
Colin Mansbridge to check on his emotions. First of all, I.

Speaker 6 (02:00:10):
Don't know what I feel like. I'm numb ash, I'm
numb I'm so stoked with how they've gone. What a
final way. It's a final, a great game of footy.

Speaker 5 (02:00:19):
You couldn't there wasn't anything between the two of them
and these lads, you know, they they defended home and
that that's what we end up with. But man, they
were just they were special. Tonight's special and you know,
credit to the Chiefs they were.

Speaker 6 (02:00:32):
They were awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:00:34):
And that was a game for the ages, wasn't it
lived up to being played at Matadiki?

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
It was real special?

Speaker 28 (02:00:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
Yeah, well it's a neutral I can tell you. That's
exactly what it was to Juggernauts too, heavyweights going at
one another, your farewellness place for finals games. Anyway, I
know that you may be back. I'm almost a bit
sad to see it go with you, and I am too.

Speaker 6 (02:00:54):
Put it's actually it's what, it's a beauty. It's actually
a beautiful place.

Speaker 5 (02:00:57):
In some ways it's cold and damp and miserable, but
then it's close.

Speaker 6 (02:01:02):
You know, you're close, you feel like you're there. I
mean the crowd tonight was unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (02:01:06):
They you know, the booing, very polite booing, the chanting,
they were unbelievable and I know the boys got.

Speaker 6 (02:01:13):
Up because of the crowd, So yeah, it's stunning.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
Stunning a word that's been used as redemption. I'm not
sure whether many of those guys felt like they needed
to redeem themselves. But does it feel like twenty twenty
four can now be put in the review mirror?

Speaker 6 (02:01:27):
I think so. I think I've seen it before to
you before as well.

Speaker 5 (02:01:32):
You know, it's small margins, see and then secondly it's
there's there was nothing broken. There were there were bits
that needed quite a bit of tuning, but nothing was broken,
and I think, you know, we tuned up and that's
the result.

Speaker 6 (02:01:47):
So yeah, really really stoked.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
What was the first thing you said to Rob Penny
or vice versa once you saw him after?

Speaker 5 (02:01:55):
I think we both said we're proud of each other.
He said, I'm really really proud of you. I said,
made I'm proud of you, and and uh, yeah, I
am pleased for him. I think you know, he deserved.
He did have a tough gig last year. Forget the
the way the results were. You know, there's a bit

(02:02:16):
of piling on and I know him and his family
carried some fairly big burdens through there, and and you know,
there's a couple of moments for him, and and he
got through it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
The smile.

Speaker 6 (02:02:28):
He's actually got a little bit of motion on on occasion.

Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
It's not like him.

Speaker 5 (02:02:32):
He's had a few tears in his eyes and even
this week he was quite emotional. So I mean there's
there's relief in his eyes, but there's also quite confidence
because he's he's had a tough couple of runs recently
and so this one, you know, he's shown you can
do the gig, hasn't He's been awesome.

Speaker 6 (02:02:51):
Yeah, really proud of him.

Speaker 3 (02:02:52):
Congress May enjoyed the night.

Speaker 6 (02:02:53):
Thanks Bonnie. Good on your mate.

Speaker 3 (02:02:55):
They'll just call him Mansbridge And amongst the celebrations last
night eight to three News Talks be.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
The Scoop from the drag Field and and the Courts
on your homes sord GMS for it. Where's Jason Vine?

Speaker 3 (02:03:07):
Us talks in be five to three Final Texas from
Minty Graham Minty Mead our chiefs commentator who says, is
it Monday yet? Not quite? Minty, not quite? But the
sun will rise on the tron and your boys will
have another crack next year. Thank you for joining us
on weekend Sport Today and across the weekend. Huge thanks
to the team at ZIB and Christchurch for hosting me.

(02:03:27):
Massive thanks to Anny McDonald for producing the show. Was
a bit more difficult when I'm somewhere else. Thanks mate.
Enjoy the rest of your afternoon and thank you for
listening as well. It's been great fun bringing you the
show from christ Church. Don't forget tomorrow night on Sports Talk.
We'll have all the reaction to the All Blacks team
naming which takes place in Taranaki at midday tomorrow, taking
us out well, the worth of the weekend down here,

(02:03:50):
without a shadow of a doubt, has been Redemption, Bob
Marley's Redemption song taking us out today said Tomorrow.

Speaker 25 (02:03:57):
Night songs a Free Design Again, Britt Shot Songs, all
Live Heaver, Redeemed shut Songs. These songs are freedom songs

(02:04:22):
of freedom.

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
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