Full Show Podcast: 29 June 2025

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Hope you can stay with us for that. Cricket leads
us off today, though, but odd given the fact that
it's coming towards the end of June. But the international
schedule for the upcoming home summer was released this week

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and again it's white ball dominated. If you wanted to
watch Test cricket here after Christmas. You can't. There are
just three Tests, all against the West Indies, all in December.
We're going to get a fans perspective on this shortly
and I want yours as well. Do We now just
have to accept that this is the new normal, that
red ball matches on New Zealand soil are going to

(01:32):
become few and far between in the years ahead. This
is the second straight summer, as I say, where there's
been no red ball international cricket after Christmas. Speaking of cricket,
and a new face on the scene, while he's not
that new, but he's new Wesh to the black Caps.
Auckland batter Bevan Jacobs is on the show this hour

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as well, ahead of a potential debut for the black
Caps in the upcoming T twenty tri series against South
Africa and Zimbabwe Razor. After one of course other matters
around today, the Warriors back to back defeat for the
first time this season. Even worse, they may have lost
their playmaker Luke Metcalf to what looks to be a

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serious knee injury. We don't have confirmation of that just yet,
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acl Charles nikol Klukstar also left the field with injury.
Gonna cover off the Warriors for you as well. A
strong qualifying performance from Liam Lawson at the Austrian Grand Prix.
He'll start sixth in tomorrow morning's race, his best qualifying

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effort of the season and the first time since Saudi
Arabia in mid April that has out qualified his racing
Bulls teammatee Isaac Hadger. So we'll get to that after
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New Zealand Cricket this week revealed the upcoming summer schedule
for both the Black Caps and the White Ferns and
white Ball Cricket again dominates all up are combined, fifty
nine internationals will be played by the New Zealand men's
and women's sides respectively. Fifty nine all up. Three of
those are test matches, They're all against the West and

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These currently ranked eighth of the twelve nations that play
Test cricket, and all three are scheduled before Christmas. New
Zealand's last time summer also featured just three Test matches
against England, again all before Christmas. So how will this
land with cricket fans, particularly those who enjoy watching Test
cricket in January and February, as we pretty much have

(04:41):
always done up until last summer. Well, the biggest cricket
fan I know is Paul Ford, co founder of the
Beige Brigade, co founder and co host of the BYC podcast,
New Zealand's longest running sports podcast. He joins us. Now, Paul,
thanks for your time. You've seen the schedule. How do
you feel about the fact that for a second straight
summer there's no international red ball cricket after Christmas?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Look frustrating, Piney, No, no, no doubt about it. I mean,
I guess the fact that there's a beautiful little window
ahead of the two World Cups, the Champions Trophy last
year and then the T twenty World Cup this year,
it's kind of asking for trouble. I guess teams want
to be out and about and yeah, looks, but from
a Kiwi cricket fans perspective, very very frustrating, and I

(05:27):
guess a reminder that we are we are something of
a cork on the ocean, floating in the raging global
tides of cricket.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
That's a great analogy. What then, as this bobbing cork
should we expect now as far as our home international
program is concerned every summer? Is this what we should expect?
Is this the new normal?

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Well, yeah, that's a yes.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
I guess that's one option. But look, I think there's
a couple of things. One, it would be great to
see World Cricket take control of the schedule, you know,
and it means that individual boards around the globe are
going to need to let go of some fiefdoms and
do what's right for the global game to flourish. You know,
They're going to have to relink christ power and push

(06:10):
some things into the middle for the for the greater
good of the game. And I think that there's this
real pressure building. I think that that teams around the world,
the bigger countries and everyone in between, needs to give
something up for this to work.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
You know, we've seen.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
That there's lots of people absolutely clamoring for this. For yes,
cricket in particular to find its place in the world.
And I think that, yeah, the ICC needs to take
control of the schedule. How can that happen? I think
that's the that's the first thing. And you know New

(06:48):
Zealand Cricket are implicated in.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
That as well.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Right, the schedules at least partly of our own making.
A bunch of years ago when the FTP fell away
and the Big three went to break away.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
New Zealand said we'll come with you, basically.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
And that's meant that, sure, there's a few there's a
list of tours that are going to have happen and
so on, but actually those are often you know, by
that program is put together through bilateral negotiations, right, it's
not dictated to by the ICC. It used to be
if you remember people everyone played everyone home and away
over X years there were this many games that it
was starting to get into the much more regulated and

(07:27):
you know, there was control around the competition. We've got
this really weird situation where at the moment, for something
around the World Test Championship, you've got the actual teams
that are playing dictating how and when they play. Well,
that doesn't happen, that's not how the NBA runs. It's
not like the Chicago Bulls decide that they'll play them
three times and then once, and we'll play those guys

(07:48):
that over there twice and we're not playing them in
that country.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
You know, I think that that's a really.

Speaker 7 (07:52):
Big part of it.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
And you know, as I say, New Zealand cricket is
implicated in that. And I guess the third point, and
I've been crapping on it's a very long answer, but
I think the third point is if the new world
is that there's a window in January, let's take it.
Let's make that January window sensational from a domestic cricket
point of view. Let's take control of our own SMA,

(08:14):
let's take control of our game, and let's make our
domestic competition a hell of a lot better, much more
magnetic for international players, and just frankly, let's get put
something together that fans can care about.

Speaker 8 (08:25):
Speak about what it.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Could be, the Black Clash on tour over the whole
summer that would work for me.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's out of the box thinking, I don't mind it.
I don't mind it. You look at the teams that
are coming Paulin on the face of it. When you say, Okay,
Australia are coming, England are coming, the West Indian is coming,
South Africa are coming. That looks fantastic, you know, four
big teams. But then you say, well, Australia are only
here for four days effectively, England as well for a
short time and both of those series are before the Ashes.

(08:52):
So who's coming We're not sure. The West Indies and
then South Africa don't arrive until sort of mid March,
probably around about the time we're thinking about changing the
clocks again. What are your thoughts on the schedule as
a whole.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, I think again, I think yeah, starting in October,
I like the I guess I like the fact that
we're trying to get it in and yes, yes, it's
great that Australia is coming here, but it does feel
like an afterthought. Is that going to be the top
Australia team? Are we really making the most of it?
Is this going to help build the next generation of
cricket fans. Playing three games in one place over four

(09:28):
days in early October? I'm not sure that it's really
going to do the biggest job that we need it
to do. And so yeah, I think it's you know,
the West Indies. I think they're going to be interesting.
They've obviously got some fantastic players, but they are like us,
like New Zealand. They are at the whims of the
big cricket in gods and this.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
They are part.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Of the the fragmentation of cricket is happening to the
West Indies just like it's happening to New Zealand and
so it's pretty hard for them to put to put
together a fantastic international test cricket programs. So yeah, I'm
a bit concerned about how much of a drawcard they

(10:12):
will be. The good news is, I guess there are
three tests, and people test cricket fans, you know, old
blokes like us, Jase, everyone over the age of thirty
that loves test cricket, They'll be getting along to those
games because we don't really care. We just love going
to the games. What I do worry about is that
what helped guys like us or our generation and older
fall in love with the game is these incredible test

(10:33):
series that happened in and around all of our major
grounds over the summers. And you know that does feel
like that is falling away.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
That is so true, Paul, that is so true. That's
how I fell in love with Test cricket like you did.
And yes we're of a certain generation, but those Test
matches in the eighties and nineties, those wonderful contests, you know,
across all the grounds, as you say, of New Zealand.
So how will today's youngsters fall in love with cricket?
Are they really going to fall in love with the

(11:01):
game through watching I don't know, T twenty franchise cricket.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
No, I think they're not falling in love. I think
there's a I think that people will go along and
keep it.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
There'll be a.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Hardcore audience, absolutely, But if we're looking to grow the game,
we've got to look at what we're actually competing with here,
and what we're competing with from a cricket point of.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
View is the NBA. It's those big.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
American sports where absolute saturation across social media, incredible storylines,
and the best players are playing against the best players
with regularity in a schedule that is fixed.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
You know when the games are going to be.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Once you start putting guaranteed content in front of people
at guaranteed times, you can really really start to build
something I think that's a piece that's really missing for
New Zealand cricket fans. You know, if I want to
take my son to a Test match next.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Year, when am I going to go and do that?
In New Zealand the schedules is not out.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
I don't know, but I can go and do it
if cricket is being prioritized like it is in Australia.
I know the Boxing Test is going to be on.
Start to lock that. And if I'm going to go
to an NBA game or whatever, you know, you know
that that schedule is going to be locked in and
nyfel the same, and so you can start to build
this monster around that because you've got this guaranteed stream
of content. We don't know what the hell's happening until,

(12:20):
you know, a couple of months before.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's such a good point. Hey, just well, I've got you.
As I mentioned at the top of the chat, you're
the co founder and co host of the BYC podcast,
which in the last little while has celebrated twenty years
in existence. It's New Zealand's longest running sporting podcast. Congrats
on that. What is the secret?

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Yeah, well, I don't know, really, it's a miracle, Let's
be honest. I feel very humbled about it, actually, And
I guess the secret is that people are involved for
the love of it. You know, We're not no one's
doing it to make lots of money. Everyone's doing it
because they love talking about the game. And I think
that twenty years ago, when we started doing it, we spotted,
you know, base Regade did this too, spotted this niche

(13:03):
of people that love cricket, but they don't necessarily need
to be talking about it in a deadly serious way.
They're not trying to be sports journalists like yourself pointing,
you know, and we love all of that stuff, don't
get us wrong, But there's this window. There's a bunch
of people that just want to sit around, effectively, have
a couple of beers and talk to their mates. And
I guess we put that into podcast form and it
seems to be going, you know, gangbusters. But I still

(13:25):
can't believe that it's been going for twenty years. It
makes me feel very old.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Well, what it should do is make you feel very proud,
because it's a terrific a tievement. It may there be
twenty more years, and maybe twenty more years beyond that.
The niche was found, as you say, a little while ago,
and you've you've well and truly owned that niche over
the last two decades. Lots to get stuck in to
with our listeners. Paul, thanks for kicking the conversation off.
We'll catch up again soon. Thanks Pliny chess mate, Thank
you mate. That is a Paul Ford byc podcast And

(13:51):
as you can tell, their cricket fan knows a lot
about the game, has followed it for a long time.
Your chance to react now, Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty January and February used to be the sweet
spot of the home summer when teams came here for
red and white ball cricket and we spent time all
around the country watching our team take on all comers.

(14:13):
And as I said to Paul, I developed my passion
for the game in the eighties when tests really still
reign supreme and the colored clothing of fifty over cricket
was just getting going really back into the seventies, into
the early eighties. You know the Try series over in
Australia that we used to get invited across to take
pardon and the colored clothing here at home when teams came,

(14:35):
but test crickets still formed the base of it. That's
how I got my love for the game. I'm really
interested to know how will today's young fans develop their
love of the game. What are you seeing from your kids,
from your grandkids. Even as I said to Paul Ford,
I don't feel as though somebody's going to fall in
love with cricket by watching the IPL or Major League

(14:58):
cricket in the US. I might be wrong, but that
doesn't feel like the kind of thing that's going to
make you fall in love with cricket. It's going along
to the games. Like anything, we form a love for
the sport that we love by watching it live and
watching our country play other countries live, going along to watch,
and in the heart of the summer January and February,

(15:20):
not just red ball cricket, but any cricket at home
is unavailable to us. There's nothing between the twenty second
of December and the fifteenth of March in terms of
men's international cricket here in New Zealand. Now, none of
us is naive enough to think that things haven't changed.

(15:40):
Of course, T twenty cricket has completely and utterly changed
the landscape for players in particular right with the amount
of money they can earn by playing franchise cricket. When
that's factored in, there's no wonder players are turning down
central contracts to take up those opportunities. Of course they would.
None of us would blame them for that. In the

(16:01):
same situation, we'd all do the same, wouldn't we We
would all do the same. But how can that state
of affairs be meshed with the international calendar to make
sure both are relevant? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is our number for your ideas? Nine two, nine
to two on text to heap. A text coming through already,

(16:22):
Paul asks, why are all three T twenties against Australia
being played at Mount Moganui. Surely you could have one
in nearby Hamilton or Auckland. Paul, it's a great point
the Australia is they're for four days, so I get
to feel well, they'll be here for six days total,
less than a week. They'll probably fly in the day
before the first game they play. What is it Wednesday, Friday, Saturday.

(16:42):
I reckon their home Sunday and we don't know what
sort of team they'll send in October with the Ashes
looming over there. Similarly, when England arrive after that, what
sort of team is going to be sent when the
Ashes is their priority? And here we are, the Ashes
is the priority. I know we're not England or Australia,
we're not in dear, but surely we can make test

(17:04):
cricketer priority again.

Speaker 9 (17:05):
Hello peep, Yeah mate. I think as long as there's
those characters of cricket, I think will be fine. You
know that the Lance Kings of Dennis Lilly's, the Australian guys.
As long as there's someone for these kids to look

(17:26):
up to, I think cricket will be all right. It's
once you lose those characters, you you do lose a
little bit of the game. And and it's like every sport, right,
you know, when Lance can hit those six sixes, everyone
and went out and broad EXCaliber.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
You know, or cut the shoulders off their own bat piece.

Speaker 9 (17:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but but it's those sort of thing
like and I'm in no different I went in to
those shops and where can I find EXCaliber? I want
a bit of that pine And you know, I think
it's just so important that we hold on to that,
but you're right, you don't know what's happen, mean and taw,
it happens, and there's not enough time for families, especially

(18:12):
these days with the cost of things to go. All right,
three weekends in the row, we're going to go watch Pasman,
We're going to go watch Wellington, We're going to go
watch whatever.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
You know.

Speaker 9 (18:23):
You can't you can't do that, you're guessing there's oh
sorry that that's kind of washed out, so we have
to go play it over here or it's just it's
a shame on that side. But I just think if
we keep those characters coming, you know, the Brendan mccallums
and and all that, you know, finding and really putting
it behind them, cricket will be fine.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, Peter, And I think goes across most sports as well.
It's a great point you make. And then so I
think to myself, as you've been talking, I think to
myself about the current Black Cabs team and I think, Okay,
who are the characters? And I guess the guy I
land on most of all is Glenn Phillips. You know,
a reverend guy who loves diving around in the field,
even as teammates give them a bit of jib for
what they what they call putting a bit of mayonnaise

(19:07):
on his catches. They reckon, he doesn't have to dive
half the time, but he just loves the photos. But
you're right, I mean, any sport needs its characters. It's
narratives people, as you say, who kids in particular, are
entranced by and attracted to.

Speaker 9 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, and that's that's sport. That's
that's who we have when you break it all down,
that's what we love. We love the basic stuff that
make you go to the ground and look for those
signatures or go by the menorabilia or and you see
it now in women's basketball with Caitland Collins. Yes, she's

(19:45):
just changed. From a New Zealander that doesn't follow basketball hotly,
cow I follow women's basketball because of Caitland Collins and
those characters that are just just just changed the game.
And and like you said, we've got probably two characters
in New Zealand cricket at the moment that are doing that.

(20:05):
But we used to have six, maybe five guys in
every team that were you know, change your guys that
changed the game. Like for me, Gavin Larson was one
of my favorite players. He was a clutch player that
came on at the end of the innings and he
did the job every time. He was just an amazing player.
And you know, and I used to love that sort

(20:28):
of thing, that you could counsel him to do the job,
you know, as just awesome.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, good on your pay, Hey, good to chat. I've
got a couple of other calls to get to, but
you've made a great point, and yeah, you think about
those personalities you and Chatfield cult hero for the fact
that he'd bowled as ten overs and put every single
ball in the same spot. It probably wouldn't work these days,
they'd just be onto him, but back then, what a
character Lance Kens you mentioned and others as well. Appreciate
your call very much, mate, Thanks for kicking us off.

Speaker 10 (20:55):
Corey, Hi mate, Hey May, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Corey, good mate.

Speaker 10 (20:59):
I just wanted to say I don't watch Test cricket anymore,
but around twenty nineteenenty twenty, we're great series against Australia,
if that maybe correct, which actually got me into it.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Well we went, yeah, we went there. We didn't do
that well, but we're in a Boxing Day Test, which
which got everybody's juice is flowing.

Speaker 10 (21:18):
Yeah yeah, yeah, which which got me really into cricket.
I started. I mean I'd always been into cricket, but
really got me into Test cricket. And then obviously we
had a few good years there, building through against India
and then obviously winning the Test Championship. Sorry I'm mist
doubtful walking.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I can hear your fine, I can hear your fine.
Just don't get run over.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Oh you're right.

Speaker 10 (21:38):
So the thing for me is, I feel like we
won that Test Championship over and over at Lord's Yep.
I feel like that was the best squad that we had.
And then the following year, but it's completely changed the squad.
We had a great team, we had a great finally
had some rhythm, and then it feels like new players

(21:59):
come in and then the sort of the field of
the team changed and we sort of dropped off. I mean,
you've got to go these young guys ago, which is understandable,
but I feel like what you guys are saying is
true is sort of the test. The love for Test
cricket dropped off. It's exciting in summer, you know, sitting
down what's the heat watching test cricket, yep, And I
feel like we need to get back to that because

(22:20):
it's exactly why I got into it to start with
six years ago.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
But now I don't.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
I don't watch it, so something needs to change.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
You're definitely right, Yeah, I want to.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I reckon. What I'll happen with you, Corey is when
the black Caps go back to Australia at the back
end of next year, so the summer of twenty five,
twenty six Boxing Day Test. I think we've got four
tests over there this time instead of three. Hopefully will
be a bit better than when we went to nineteen twenty.
But yeah, hopefully your you know, your love of test
cricket will be reinvigorated by that, and others as well
will jump on.

Speaker 10 (22:48):
Yeah, yeah, maybe I just don't have the time these days.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
There too, there is that team I hear you, Corey.
Good on you mate, Well, thanks for taking time to
call us. It's been great to chat to you. Enjoy
the rest of your walk, mate. Half past twelve is
the time I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty grant
with you. Right after the speel line there. If you
want to jump aboard I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Bevan Jacobs is on the show before one, one of
the new wave of New Zealand cricketers. He'll debut almost

(23:12):
certainly for the team when they got to Zimbabwe in
South Africa next month. But we're talking the way we
fall in love with the game, but also the structure
now of the home summer and the lack of international cricket,
particularly this summer between Christmas and the middle of March.
Back after this on Weekend Sport.

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test cricket in Auckland once again says this text. I
think that ship sailed, hasn't it. I don't think we'll
see test cricket at Eden Park again to shame for
our biggest, biggest catchment. But until they develop Colin Maiden
Park into something close to a Test venue, which again

(24:01):
I don't think is happening. I'm not sure we see
test cricket in Auckland for the foreseeable future and maybe
for the mid to long term as well. Grant, thanks
for holding make good afternoon.

Speaker 11 (24:10):
Yeah, Piney, Yeah, it isn't the twenty twenty World Cup
in January. In February.

Speaker 9 (24:16):
It is.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
It is, and that's I should have mentioned that. You're right, Grant,
it is and just as the champions trophy was sort
of around that time this year, that's the reason you're right.
Why why you know there's a lack basically of any
red ball cricket after Christmas. But also I guess the
black Caps want to get across. I think they've got
some warm up games in India before the T twenty

(24:38):
World Cup in Sri Lanka. So yeah, I mean the
fact remains, though it's a gaping hole in our home schedule.

Speaker 11 (24:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, because nowadays, of course, with twenty twenty
being the big money spinner, they seem to have World
Cups every two years instead of every four.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Years the annual before you know it.

Speaker 11 (24:57):
Yeah, so maybe next season what might be all dogcas
will be in Australia January February next season.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I think it's I think it's more December. I think
it's December January over there. And that is a hugely
anticipated tour. Granted, I remember in You Will Too and
twenty nineteen, or back into twenty nineteen into early twenty
twenty when we had the chance to go to Australia
three Tests, Boxing Day Test, all this high excitement. Then
we got over there and lost all three Tests heavily.

Speaker 11 (25:25):
Yeah, you know, I think the reason is Piney. They
didn't do the Darwin thing. Now do you remember that
way back in the eighties when they'd go same time
early season to play Australia, they would go up to
Darwin because they play their cricket and sort of winter

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if you like. So the end of the winter they
would have two weeks up in Darwin. They would play
pay the club, the Darwin club cricketers that have two
weeks off, and so for every day for two weeks,
the New Zealand team would be playing games against these

(26:06):
in these club cricket. Of course, they were thrilled to
bits of all to play an international team. We get
sort of compensated as well, but it meant that when
they hit the first Test, they were primed. Do you
remember when they hit their first Test in Brisbane, Richard Hadley.

Speaker 7 (26:23):
Yeah, I remember it.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I remember it like it was yesterday, Grant. And you're
so right because when they went, when they went the
last time twenty nineteen, they just basically rocked up for
the first Test without any any warm up games at all.
And I think they hopefully have taken some lessons from that.

Speaker 12 (26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (26:39):
Yeah, don't want we don't want another repeat of what
happened then.

Speaker 12 (26:43):
But I mean, I'm like all forms of cricket whichever.
When I'm watching, we're watching test cricket. You know, it's
a good test matter like that good good twenty twenty game.
I like that had in a good over game.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I like that.

Speaker 11 (26:56):
And I mean, I don't know whether i'd really want
to have say, six tests in a summer, you know,
three before Christmas and three after. It's that old thing
of less is more, ye know. I I hope we
don't have a wet early summer like we can have

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and the sort of you know, most of the tests
are white rained out or something.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, I just like to see us play two different
teams in test cricket grant. And I'm not sure that's
too much to ask, because it's been been managed pretty
much every summer since, not since time began, but since
we've been playing Test cricket. We've got a couple of
Test matches, you know, against one team before Christmas or
early in the new year, and then another team would
turn up again. I know, and yes, it's it's the

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fact that there is a T twenty World Cup to
prepare for that we don't get this opportunity. But it
just feels to me as though, you know, now that's
two summers in a row where you put away the
white clothing internationally after Christmas, and I just hope it
doesn't become the new normal. Good on your grant, Always
good to chat, Jason. My year old daughter says this text.

(28:08):
Fell in love with Test cricket after watching the Test
on Amazon. She now follows the Aussie Test team more
than the black Caps. Goodness me. She's also hoked on
the Big Bash. Yeah, well, maybe we need to do
a reality series on the black Caps. All names of
that series, prospective names of that series are warmly encouraged.

Speaker 13 (28:26):
Hello, Chris, Hi, Jason.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Look, a couple of things. Firstly, I mean, how could
you not fall still fall in love and test cricket
that first test that ad headingly, you know, three fifty
runs a day. And the huge criticism is of course
that Sky to Sky two years on, it's still got
no contract with ECB, so we don't give them.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, and I mean that's that's been brought up by
a few people and I'm not sure that we'll get
an answer here, Chris, you know why they haven't purchased it,
But you're right, and we can watch Australia West Indies
on ESPN, but yeah, no way of watching England India,
which is a shame because I think thousands would watch it.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
The other thing is, the other problem is like with
which alluding to what you're talking about now about the
lack of Test cricket after Christmas. Here the problem as
I see it is now, I mean the wisdoms as
as you are. We're absolutely blasted the way the World
Test Championship run, these these these first three and I
mean one of the big problem is India. India now

(29:29):
have demanded five five tests home and away every time
they play Australia in England like the Ashes, so that
makes it impossible for what should happen is that every
team in the World Test Championship to play each other
in a three test series.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, and Chris, and you know as well as I do,
why that won't happen. It's all the mighty dollar, right,
it's the mighty dollar India or the roost in world cricket.
They want to play the best teams most off in
England and Australia. It's becoming a bit of a test
try series in many ways, and the rest of us
have to pick up the scraps and, like Paul Ford says,
organize these things ourselves, not the icy C. They're not

(30:05):
coming in as right, exactly what you just said. Everybody
plays everybody in three test series. We put it into
the calendar and away we go. They leave it to
the national associations themselves to organize this stuff. I mean
it's hardly leadership, is it, right.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
But also you've got to remember that the Board of
Indian Cricket don't want to play us anyway. After again,
with that, what's three little India? We're good for them.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah. Maybe you're right, Chris, maybe they're steering away from us.
You're right that was a great series. Wasn't it good
to tet to you?

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Chris?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Thanks? Indeed, what happened to the Boxing Day test at
the Basin, asks Mike Ye. That came and went fairly quickly,
didn't it? It was great when it was here. First one
was in ninety eight. From memory, I think Simon Dill
got seven for in that game. The West Indies came
the following years and Babwe, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan. Remember Pakistan
came to the Basin and absolutely she'll act us because

(30:57):
Sharp Acdar came charging in and got six for not
many in New Zealand second innings. I'm not saying that's
the reason they stopped, but they did stop after that,
and there have been One day Internationals and T twenties
replacing it on Boxing Day. There was a Boxing Day
test in twenty fourteen at Hagley Oval, New Zealand beating
Sri Lanka. And there was also one I'd forgotten this

(31:18):
in twenty twenty. Pakistan came over here and played a
test match at bay Oval across Boxing Day. Just before
we go to a break and get Bevin Jacobs ready
to have a chat to us. Interesting point made here
on text as well. Why are the West Indies tests,
the first two scheduled to start on a Tuesday and

(31:39):
a Wednesday, Because you're right, normally a Test match will
start on a Thursday or a Friday, so you get
the guts of the test match across the weekend. The
answer is, I think that they've got to get them in.
If they're going to have three tests, they've got it.
They've only got so many days in December. They've got
to get them in. But look if current if current
test match etiquette has anything to go by, we're not
going to get to the weekend.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
You look at.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Australia and the West Indies at Barbados three day Test.
We don't get any five day Test matches. So yeah,
it's a good point when there's a lot going on
in December. It just wondering how bigger crowds are they're
going to be. But the other side of that is
that if you want to watch test cricket here in
New Zealand, you do it in December, so hopefully people

(32:20):
will turn up for it. Eighteen away from one when
we come back. Bevan Jacobs potential debutant for the black
Caps when they hit to Zimbabwe in South Africa next month.
He's going to join us for a chat.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
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Speaker 3 (32:40):
Twelve forty five. Just reminder Scott Robinson and Studio between
one and two taking your calls. Auckland AS's batter. Bevan
Jacobs meantime in line to make his Black Caps debut.
He's been included in the fifteen strong squad for next
month's T twenty try series with South Africa and hosts Zimbabwe.
Hitting in the air all the way for six Jacobs.

Speaker 14 (32:59):
We know what he can do.

Speaker 12 (33:00):
It's an outstanding piece of timing and it brings up
his fifty as well.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
From just thirty three.

Speaker 14 (33:04):
Balls eves crazy.

Speaker 15 (33:05):
He's got such a long stripe tossed up and he
said I'll have a piece of that straight over along off.

Speaker 10 (33:10):
Great way to bring up fifty.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Bevin Jacobs, the only uncapped player in the touring party
here is with us now. Congrats on your selection, Bevin.
How excited are you to be named again in a
New Zealand squad, having of course been named in that
one to face Sri Lanka back in December, but not
getting onto the field.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Thanks Jason, You're very excited.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
You know, I really can't wait to travel with the groups,
get back with them, you know, since being amongst that
tour with Sri Lanka over here, I mean it was
it was a great bunch of lads, and yeah, I'm
just looking forward to being with the group again.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Even though you didn't take the field in those three matches,
was there still value for you in being in the environment.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah. Absolutely. You know, you've got world class players in.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
That group and a lot of guys that are easy
to have conversations with, you know, very approachable. They made
the environment seem really open, and you know, it was
easy to talk to them and you pack their brains
and learn from them because there's a wealth of knowledge
there that I'd like to try and tap into and
I have that opportunity, and you know that that was
really something that they looked after well for me when
I was with them.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Was it challenging not playing though? I mean I think
everybody wants to play, don't they.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Yeah, of course, you know, it's obviously it's something you
want to do. Like you, as I've said many times,
you know, representing New Zealand's is the dream of mine
playing for the black Cats, so obviously, like one part
of you is guarded that you don't play, but the
other part, you know, it's just it's really grateful for
the experience and being able to be amongst the gud
and and you know, chat to them and learn something
new about your game as well. So there's always there's
always two sides of the coin.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Well, I feel like your time will be coming in
the next month or so. Just before we get onto that,
tell us about your experience and the IPL in recent weeks.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Yeah, IPL was was amazing.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
I mean the amount of experience and world class players
in that group, you know, second to none.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
So that was really special for me.

Speaker 8 (34:53):
Being able to challenge myself, especially in those overseas conditions,
being in India for the first time, it was all
it was all new to me.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
So yeah, being able to be put.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
Under the pump and be challenged world class bowlers on
those sorts of conditions was was really beneficial for me
in my game. And then just having those those players
around me who I could you know, talk to and
have conversations with and learn something about them to bring
into my own game.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well, so that was your first time over there, bit
of an assault on the scene, says, your first time
in India area in the IPL.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, it was a.

Speaker 8 (35:20):
Bit of a bit of a change of scenery for
me from usual. So it was definitely you know, you
always hear the stories and everything about everyone's experiences and
the IPL, but to actually be there, you know, you
experience it yourself as something pretty special and quite different obviously,
So yeah, it was. It was pretty awesome to be
part of it.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Let's talk about the type of cricketer that you are.
You filled a couple of different roles during your time
at the elite level in T twenty, I remember you
was sort of a finisher when you were with Canterbury.
You've moved further up the order with Auckland. Where do
you prefer to bat in T twenty cricket?

Speaker 8 (35:53):
Yeah, Look, for me, I think at the moment, I'm
just trying to do my job for what's best for
the team, and you know, I felt with Auckland that
I was fortunate enough to move up the order and
have a little bit more time in the middle for
me to bat, and that's where I fit best amongst
the group, and I'm pretty happy to bout there, you know.
I think middle order for my current progression, I guess,

(36:13):
and for where I sit right now with my career,
I'm I'm pretty happy there, and you know, to try
and have that responsibility on me to finish the endings.
It's obviously it can be a tough role, but it's
it's it's something that I've had a little bit of
success with in the in the short time, and hopefully
I can.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Continue that on what match situations are different. But what
is your general approach to batting and T twenty cricket?

Speaker 8 (36:34):
Yeah, well, look, for me, I think it comes back
to kind of trusting my skills and making sure that
when I'm out there, I'm pretty focused, I'm present and
I'm just reacting.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
You know.

Speaker 8 (36:42):
I feel like when you play your best cricket, you're
kind of in that zone and you're acting. Obviously you've
got a game plan out there, you're reading the situation.
But I guess, just me personally, I'm always trying to
play a positive brand of cricket, and positive can look
in different ways on different conditions, and sometimes it means boundaries.
Sometimes it's just it's at the crease or being busy,
et cetera, et cetera. But I think the most important

(37:03):
thing about me and my role is to make sure
I'm just reading the game and knowing what's best of
the team in that current situation.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
You're well known as a power hitter. Where do you
generate the power from?

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I mean power heading?

Speaker 8 (37:18):
It does come from a lot of training. Obviously, there's
that that's massive and probably the biggest aspect on it.
I'd like to work on it specifically and have a
separate part of my training sectioned off for tile hitting,
where I focus on overheading and underheading and hand speed,
et cetera, et cetera. I could delve a little bit
deeper into that at a later time, but that is
obviously that section. And then I guess I just try

(37:40):
to use, you know, some of the natural stuff that
I've got, like my heights and my levers to my
advantage as well to try and make sure I can
use that as an extra bit of power in my game.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
When you're looking at developing your T twenty batting, are
you looking to find new scoring areas or is it
more about being more effective in the ones which are
already prolific for you?

Speaker 8 (38:00):
Yeah, I reckon it's about finding the right balance between
the two, because obviously there's for me, there's is I've
got my strengths and things that I like to gravitate
towards too, and that, like you say, are prolific for me,
and what people look at when they see me is
they see that. And then obviously there's that balance between
me trying to find cool how the other ways I
can challenge myself or off put the bowler and find

(38:21):
ways to score in different areas, and then that brings
my strengths back into the game when they have to
change the field and et cetera, et cetera. So I
guess that's where it also comes into reading the game
situation where I am in the middle, and then obviously, yeah,
trying to balance, you know, working on those work ons
that making sure I keep my strength throughout the season.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I guess it's easy to forget you're you know, you're
a pretty decent red bull cricketer as well, or already
a century in three fifties for Walkland. You average close
to sixty in first class cricket or we get a
small sample size, but do you consider yourself an all
format cricketer.

Speaker 8 (38:51):
Yeah, it's definitely a goal of mine. Like, obviously, I'm
really grateful and fortunate to have something identified in my
game with the powerheading and being a finisher which can
which has obviously got me this call up, which I'm
incredibly grateful for. But obviously for me as a player
and in the long run, my goal would be to
play three formats in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Like, that's that's the dream of mine.

Speaker 8 (39:12):
And be it some T twenty franchise opportunities such as
Mumbai has come my way, epic, it's awesome. I can
take that as it comes and then but yeah, long
run for me, it's three formats in New Zealand and
playing test cricket.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
And of course there's a T twenty world company not
too far away early part of twenty twenty six. Is
that something that you've got a bit of an eye on.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
It's definitely a goal.

Speaker 8 (39:36):
I mean, everyone wants to play World cut, don't they
that Again, that will be something pretty special and take
playing for the Black Cats to a whole new level,
you know. So it's definitely It's definitely a goal that
I set for myself, and I guess all I can
do is control what I can and you know, keep
working hard and see if if it comes into fruition.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
You were born in South Africa, of course you've just
about lost the accent. There's just a little lends of
it still there. How special would it be though, to
play against the nation of your birth A couple of
the games in this trice Aeries coming up next Mons
or against Southa. How special will that be for you?

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah? I think I think that would be pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
I mean, obviously I see myself very much as a Kiwie,
but I've still got family over there and family in
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Who's you know.

Speaker 8 (40:18):
I still speak Africa at home, so I guess it
would be pretty special for them and for me, and
in some ways obviously play against them in a debut
that Yeah, I think that would be.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
That would be pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Congratulations on your inclusion, Bevan. Been great to get the
chance to chat. All the best made and let's hope
that you get that debut and it's the first of many.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Mate.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
Thanks Jason, appreciate your time. Have a good one.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
You have a good one too, Bevin. Thanks indeed, Bevin
Jacobs brand new black hat with us on Weekend Sports
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With the All Black season nearly upon us, we're taking
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Speaker 1 (41:45):
That also is unique leadership, bold selections and cutting shapes
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(42:06):
Jason vine On News Talk Simvy.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yes, and then it is coming up past one. A
great pleasure to welcome into the studio. All Blacks head
coach Scott Robertson. He's here for an hour to talk
about a wide range of topics and I'm sure looking
forward to answering your questions. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, get you throw on the phone. A rare
chance for you to speak directly with Razor if you
prefer to text your question. Nine two nine two. Great

(42:32):
to see you mate. How are you?

Speaker 7 (42:32):
Yeah, good afternoon, Piney. Thanks for having me in here.
It's awesome to be interrogated on a Sunday afternoon. It's
a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Good on you, mate. We do have call stacking up
and we will get to those, but I'm keen to
go back a year. It's exactly a year to the
day that you joined us at nz CIEs ahead of
your first All Blacks. Well, it's first All Blacks test matches.
How different do you feel going into year two compared
to how you felt a year ago as a new

(43:01):
All Blacks head coach.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (43:03):
Look interesting in it to think back here, it's been
a year. It seems so quick, but also so long ago.
We're one hundred and twenty days better for it. I
understand how test weeks work, test matches work, on and
off the field, the length of the season. All the
management or the coaching group are better for that. But

(43:26):
it's always different, it's always changing. You have to be
really innovative. You have to think on your feet still.
But the key to these ten days that we're going
to have together set us up for this French series
is really critical. So how you start right now is critical.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Was there anything last year that was a particular lesson
for you? Something you didn't expect. What was the biggest
thing or things you learned last year on field or
on field, anything to do with the All Black setup?

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Yeah? On field, how I knew like every test matches
like a final. You know the expectations you compete and win,
and the margins are so close and things can change
so quickly. You know, a lot of calls that go away,
the injuries, like the ability to adapt on the field

(44:19):
to calls, yellow cards. Things are under the microscope way more.
You know, tmos, little plays, tries, no tries. You know
there's substitutions. All these little critical things add up because
the margins are so small that the titus that's ever
been test footy, the stats show that across the top

(44:40):
seven teams. And how those decisions and how you set
your team up through the week to win those and
critical moments is really critical important, sorry, And so the
work you do to get your set up so they
can can own it on the field, off the field,
just the size of it. Yeah, you're on the road.
You never paying the same play place twice Sunday, you're up,

(45:04):
you pack up, you're gone again. There's a four party
that is setting it up. They leave early. Then you
come in and you've got another test week. So it's
a new hotel, new coaching room, new management room, new
leaders room, new team room, and you just got to
adapt on what's in front of you. So it's exciting,
but it's also it's quite relentless.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Just before we look specifically at what lies immediately in
front of you. I mean this time next week you
would have played your first Test against France in Dunedin.
In the framework of a four year World Cup cycle,
what are the goals and objectives for year two which
this is Are there any specific goals for year two
of a four year World Cup cycle?

Speaker 7 (45:43):
Yeah? Over four years. Probably from a section point of view,
you're trying to be four deep in all positions. So
you've got to create enough depth. And I've said it before,
is it's the white boat theory where you got Stephen
Donald coming in as the fourth ten, you know, with
that nice, beautiful type juty to kick her apparently to
win the Rugby World Cup. And who's your fourth guy

(46:04):
in each position? Or course, people can cover two positions,
especially les fords or midfield or outside backs. But when
you name that thirty three, you've got if free three,
that's got another versatility enough I believe to pay in
different positions, but also who's next to come in because
as you know, rugby is a brutal sport and injuries
are part of it and things change change quickly.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Right going to take some calls in a moment. They're
stacking up a full board already. You're a This is
the envy of a talkback host. You're getting calls stamped up.
We'll get them the moment. But I just wanted to
ask you about your squad and the thirty three that
you named. If you were independent of one another, all
of the coaches, yourself, and all of your assistants to
write down thirty three names independent of one another, and

(46:49):
then came together. I'm not sure that might be what
you do. How different do you think everybody's thirty three
would be? Would you have twenty nine in common? Twenty
five in common, twenty nine in common?

Speaker 7 (46:58):
I'd tell you you down to two or three four,
depending depending what's important to you. So what we do.
We did a lot of work on the guy's character,
how courageous they are, and what crafts have We used
three c's as a model, and then everyone sees sometimes
craft different, you know, like I got a lot of
footwork like a fend and really good bumps and keep

(47:19):
their feet alive and anticipate. I watch type forwards a
lot to make sure that they've got the billy and
skill set, not just set piece. Jace loves the set piece,
loves us penalty and he also lights a line out
and cleans and stuff. But we will see things differently.
But the non negotiables the character of the player, you know,

(47:40):
on and off the field, Champion off on TOLF, Worry
just just will get into it and be really brutal
and so then you break it down and then some
people see something in other players. So those are the
conversations you've got to have, you know, you break it down.
How's it going to compliment our team? Are they test ready?
Will they step up straight away? Have they got the craft?

(48:00):
And how can you do? They need a week with
us before or a couple of weeks before us and
you bring them in the next series. There's lots of
little things you go over, but majority of the players
pick themselves through their own performance. Yeah, wonderful.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
It's thirteen past one. Scott Raiser Robertson is in studio.
We've invited calls. I'll get Marked to put these calls
to airs as we need to do so, So Mark
first first up, as Mark, can you hear us there?

Speaker 16 (48:27):
Mark?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
I'm just going to try and get Mark on the era.
I might get you to do that for me, Mark Kelly.
Just while we're organizing that, a couple on text. There's
a great one that came through here with Damien McKenzie
and Boden Barrett both available and playing very slightly but
different styles. What specifically are you looking for in your
starting ten? Is it about form, experience, symmetry with other

(48:53):
players or the game plan you want the all Blacks
to play? So wow, the Texas that's the text. Yeah,
so those you're ten and why detailed?

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Probably all of them in your own you know, and
what's in front of you. Obviously, we gave d Mech
a really good crack last year. We wanted to give
him as much opportunities to learn his craft. And we
know he's courageous, don't we, you know, and we know
the only way you really learn about yourself was at
that moment under the heat, and we did some a
great job. And the same with Bowden Techic Clearware still

(49:26):
at thirty three plum good footy physically and great next.
So we've got the balance of the two is perfect.
They both run the game slightly differently, both can come
off the bench, and both can play ten and fallback.
So they compliment each other really well. Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
All right, I think we can get these calls on
now Mark, Have we got Mark on the air there? Okay,
we're just still having a couple. Okay, I'm clicking them,
I am clicking him, and he's not coming to air.
So that's that's an odd one. We'll go back to
some questions that I have here. We are going to
get to the phones. We promised that you could call it.
You talked about players making the step up. How do

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you know how do you know that? Actually we can't
go back to Mark. Well, Mark, we'll put Mark to
we shortly. How do you know a guy I can
make a step on and off the field.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
That's this part of your your gut feeling. And you
see them through super seasons, super season and even the
coming into finals. You know, some people just step up
to the occasion, the bigger the game, the bigger involvements.
You know, test Ford is a game of collisions and
and so's a lot of finals footy. You know, pressure
to pressure moments, high ball, kick long, you know who's

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going to break first, and they step up. And I've
got to talk about Wallace because that's what he did
you know, like you obviously with the Chiefs Hurricanes game
at the Caketon last year, like he was phenomenal and
we've been watching him, we've seen him and he was
a young man when you physically was in good condition.
But wow, that was the moment you run. You keept

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packing it up and you stepped up in that moment.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
All right, third time lucky, I'm sure we can get
Mark this time. Mark. What's your question for Raiser?

Speaker 13 (51:03):
I'll c to make it short.

Speaker 17 (51:06):
How are you going to Scott Have you thought have
you planned to hear about the next World capital with
the French?

Speaker 13 (51:12):
How are you going to counter them?

Speaker 8 (51:14):
It's a big question, but you know.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
Yeah, we always World Cups as a natural cycle, especially
for contracting as well and for players they look at
World Cups are interest enough. We've got a couple of
years after the Lions tour, which is unique for the
people's career, especially to play a couple of them. But
you work back, like I said before about getting full deep,
you know, and exchanges really quickly. The laws making our

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games fast faster with the line outs, with the scrum,
the ball and place higher. So you're going to be
highly skilled and really fit, So you look at guys
and big men that have got all those So you're
talking about your depth and then who's got the ability
to be resilient for a long period periods of time

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and play a couple of positions. So we're looking at
from that point of view, but also looking at the
laws and the laws of the game. And it's trending
great for us because we've got a highest school team
and part of this year is to build that the
depth and give guys. Look, we have an opportunity in
this series with the French.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Thanks very much for kicking us off, Mark gar let's
go to Stuart. You've got a question for Razor Stuart.

Speaker 18 (52:21):
Yes, thanks for the opportunity, gentlemen, coach. I know it's
not good to jump too far ahead. With the French
arriving on a couple of YouTube channels. I keep an
eye on the spring Bok, the spring Box and they
look pretty fearsome and organized. Are we ready for this

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rugby storm coming from South Africa?

Speaker 7 (52:46):
I look ruddy in the last six years coming to
a seventh year. You know, he's built a pretty pretty
incredible depth and a squad really clear identity and they
know how they're going to play, they're coming through the
front door. It's quite it's quite clear on what they do,
you know in your ability. You know, obviouslyat Year it

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came down to a one score game at the end
of it with even By you know, there's ten points
and we wanted to move them around the field and
hole ball for long periods of time and just a
couple ofttle moments as I mentioned before, which changes test match.
We didn't quite go our way. Discipline's really really important
around it. So look, you've got to give full respect them.
They know they're haging to play, and we know how

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we're going to play, and we've we're just going to
do it for that eighteen minute period and make sure
we have a twenty three that carry out their game plan.
But yeah, we've got the skills in the players to
ready for fifth September.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Thank you very call Stuart a lot on text asking
about selection and Ethan Black at it with a lot
of Cantabrians listening to the show. Are not selected in
your thirty three? And then when Wallace was unfortunately injured
and couldn't take part in the French series, you brought
Dalton Papaletti and why Dalton and not Ethan.

Speaker 7 (54:02):
Both the juenuine options both her experience as well. Ethan
was available medically, had that conversation with him, and so
it was Dalton's opportunity to come in. But look we
know Ethan and how much output he puts into the game,
and look he's in. He takes the character box. He's
no thought about that. He's a hell of a man.
So here's some tough calls.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
He all right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our number one twenty. Will take a break. There
is a speare line there which won't last very long.
I can tell you your questions for Scott Raiser Robertson
until too. Here at News Talks THEREB we're back after this.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Good Boldlag's head coach Scott Robertson taking your calls on No.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason
Vine and GJ. Gun Nomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,
News talks'd B.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
One twenty three. Just before we go back to the lines,
very quick selection question. How close was chiefs Lucy Simon
Parker to selection prior to getting injured?

Speaker 7 (54:56):
He here's a lot of interest in them. Looky, he's
a big body, six foot five and one hundred and
twenty kilos. It's it's hard not to watch them. He
was in good form and we're just because he's isn't
it his chance to get his body continual matches? And
he did through the season, so he's on the watch
list for sure. Good to hear.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
All right, let's go back to the lines, Dane, your
question for Riser?

Speaker 19 (55:18):
Hello this scot congratulations first of all and all of
the seas of the season. I hope the legacy you're
left with Canterbury carries on. They started for a season,
but now they're right back, so that's wonderful. But what
I wanted to ask you the high kick that you
see done repeatedly, where the last man in the mall

(55:38):
puts his legs stretch right back, the balls stuck under
and no one can come around, and it's advertised for
like you could make a cup of tea before they
kick it. Why don't people why don't players get back
behind the ball to stop the other teams coming forward
and gain the momentum If the player misses the ball,

(55:59):
even when he catches it, he gets hit by a
mountain of players and quite often the ball gets turned over.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
Yeah, it's one of the beautiful parts of our job.
You just call it a litle bit of art, Dean. It's
art for the half back in those legs. It's quite
a little Bellerina like, isn't it how they came through.
But one thing is contestable kicking at the skill set
of half backs being able to kick the exact length
it's likely twenty seven meters depending on how high they

(56:26):
can cut, Like Royga can float it like a helium
ballow and gun. He just floats up there and then
with no escorting. Now you can start getting tap backs.
It's a little bit more afl like, but that's a
really it's an important part of the game because you
can put pictures straight back on the half other other
team rather than just kicking long and then the balls
in their hands and they can either run it back

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or quick long back in your twenty two. So that
little structure we put a lot of work into. We
didn't quite get a couple right last year and it
cost us. So you could have fallen in love with
that part of the game there, Dean.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Yeah, good on your Dane, Thanks for your call. Really appreciated.
A pain of Hamer A question for Razor.

Speaker 20 (57:06):
Yeah, Scott, thanks for taking the time. A couple of
things I'm interested in. So I love seeing Dukes and
Jimmy tabataanaway in there. And I know it's only part
of the jigsaw puzzle, but their ability, you know, test
level turnovers are at a premium, their ability on the

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defensive turnover. I'm just interested in how big a fact
that that wasn't picking those guys. They've had good seasons.
And number two, you see the Africans, they play how
they play, even though they've got all these guns like
Cheslin and whatnot and Orenzo. But those little guys are

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so good at recovering their kits that even this morning.
You know they're little, but they and I feel like
you diffuse their kick Chase.

Speaker 21 (57:56):
You're going a long way to diffuse in the box.

Speaker 8 (57:59):
Oh yeah, we've got quite a big We've got quite a.

Speaker 20 (58:01):
Big test thumb and in partner ya, no pressure makes
to take the time again.

Speaker 7 (58:05):
You showed that Christ and really well thanks for finishing
with that. But it's you're right. I think I see
talking about him specifically. Look, he can stop the game
and it's head counting with his time he turnovers. But
his discipline and his self control was huge this year,
like one of the least penalized players and his technic technically,

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I showed the pictures of the reef wanted to see,
so he got a lot of return off it. And
same with Timothy. You know, like he's he's pretty incredible
both sides of the ball. His power, he came out
of the gate and super the great thing from he
just kept going, just kept going around the corner, in
the corner and keep going, and you know he was gaged.
He was so big for that his team and what

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was the last part of the question, kicking. It's quite interesting.
I pretty hummer around that. You know, sevens players come
back into our game, like you know, got Bill Buddy
that the French winger are in. There's Chieslin Colby, like
Lee Roy, Carter Dous seven spars that have come back
into into rugby fifteen's that they're tough, they're great round

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the breakdown, the good kick Chase Stuffy. They're used to
tackling six foot six feet jeans above the knee, you know,
one on one. So you know the ability to transition
into test folly. But more importantly, they've got speed, which
gives them creates more opportunities than a lot of others,
you know, like Leroy Carter's fastest the New Zealand from statistically,

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you know, he's it's pretty incredible the opportunities that come
just for a speed and those boys in the spring
box are transitioned back credibly.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Well was he close, Leroy Carter?

Speaker 7 (59:48):
He was in the picture too.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Yeah, a pot of armor. Thank you for your call.
Let's get back to the lines. Mark your question for Razor.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
Yeah, hey, Finny raiser, Richard mcwaania, do you see him
starting at number ten at the next World come?

Speaker 12 (01:00:04):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
Like, I see rich It's a valuable part of New
Zerobian and when he when he's back, look we can
we know what he can do. And we've got a
couple of great tens at the moment as well, experienced
and Witherty experience as well, so that that's good, and
we've obviously got to get the next group coming through
as well, just the intry picked we'ben love. You know,
he's got a beautiful balance between ten and fifteen, and

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when the hurricanes put him in there. We're you know,
we're watching like everyone else. And he just stood up
to it and he's matured nicely. So we've got four
good teams at the moment. So that and we're looking
at the fifth and six as you always do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Thanks for your question, Mark, Let's keep going. I's almost
hung up on you there, Phil, Phil your question for Raiser.

Speaker 19 (01:00:48):
Oh, don't do that.

Speaker 21 (01:00:51):
Yeah, good guys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Who we are?

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
Oh, go ahead, now we're good Phil.

Speaker 22 (01:00:57):
Thanks you, it's on you excellent the oh just ask
my question, Raiser. I met I've met your appearance a
number of years ago. Years ago, I brought a golf
club off your old man.

Speaker 7 (01:01:08):
There going to be very cover of the fire service.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
It was one of the two.

Speaker 7 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I love this golf mate. He's passionate about it.
If the masters are on you, you don't see him
for four days.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Oh, well I can relate to that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I'm a golfer.

Speaker 23 (01:01:22):
And he threw in a few gold bulls as well.

Speaker 22 (01:01:24):
He said, here, I have a half a dozen of
these as well. And he was very proud of you.
He said, I look at this photo.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Do you know this guy?

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
He's my boy?

Speaker 22 (01:01:32):
My question is that I don't know if it's appropriate question,
because it's just a curiosity question for me, and I've
talked to Pointy about it. I'm just wondering why a
guy like what holds or stops or stopping a guy
like Tom Christie from getting becoming an All Black because
I think he's a fantastic player, and I think he's

(01:01:53):
good enough, but you would know better than me. But
he performs week in and week out to such a
high standard for the Crusaders, and I just wondered, what,
what what holds him back?

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
What is it?

Speaker 22 (01:02:03):
Is it just that he's in a big bull by
against other players.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
I think you've sort of answered it yourself. For one
thing is he's tough and consistent. You know, I've known
him since he came out of school, Tom, so you know,
work with him closely, and he just keeps turning up
each week. He's he's cleaned a lot of his game
up and his skill set and stuff. And you know
that's guys like him are just so important for super rugby,

(01:02:32):
you know, in New Zone rugby, and he goes back
in such incredible leader for his province and he makes
you know, Super Ruby what it is this year. We
know how great the viewers of the balls Mutch rugby
like this for so long and it just gives you
how much enjoyment you know that games and good Nick
and he's one of the reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Thanks for your call, Phil, appreciate it very much. Do
you have a more defined sense of your game plan
this year as a given the ball carriers, the impact
players that you've selected.

Speaker 7 (01:03:03):
Yeah, we did last year through I think a lot
of our games have stopped looking because just the discipline
and we didn't quite as you know, it's pro well
documented that second half stuff we'd get well, we lead
every team at halftime, so there was some you know,
you can get caught on things. And my job is
to keep the course. And you know we want to
play fast because we've got the skill set to do that.

(01:03:24):
We've got the game where it's trending with the stoppages
and play and quick ball and quick line out, et cetera,
and the athletes to do it so ball and play
lots of short passes and in doing it fast and
you know where as we mentioned a year better for it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
And Jordie's back and how do you think he is
looking and the experience of playing at Leinster, what do
you what can we expect to see from Jordan and
twenty twenty five in a black jersey.

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
Well, he's got a nice little tan on at the
moment the Hemisphere ten. He's come back with a glow
up from Myrland and he's but he's good, like he's
a coach, you know, he's a player coach, you know,
like he just knows the game so well and you
see that game. I watch this game and it's like
golf for him. He's a real fan. He's a fan

(01:04:13):
of rugby's a fan of golf. He knows any think
about everyone else is talking about a fl like he
knew every team and every player else. So he's a
deep thinker. But when you get him on the field
or you know, what he shares to you and what
what bit of gold? How he just discusses and talks.
He's another part of your coaching group. And we know
how valuable was it for him mentally. And he's in
great physical neck coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
From good to hear, let's get back to the lines
and get some more questions coming your way. Mark, you're right,
what's your question for Raiser?

Speaker 17 (01:04:42):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
I am?

Speaker 17 (01:04:44):
I really enjoyed the team the other day. Good squad,
you've got I've got one thing. I didn't see my
name in it for the water boys, you know, I
do pick the water bottles, but not for the all blacks.
When am I going to get the call up?

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
We've got a vetting process that we're to go through.
We're currently doing it at the moment, so we'll come
back to your things.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Mat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
You keep your hand in the ring there, Mark, keep
doing it at a local level, and who knows you
might get the call. We've got your number. We've got
your number, Clive your question for Veriser.

Speaker 24 (01:05:14):
Yeah, good afternoon, guys. Listen. The frustration is the red
card situation. Now, I've seen red cards for very similar
events with very different results. One where it's considered accidental
and one where you get a red card. You know,
Sam Kine in the World Cup the last World Cup
would be an example of that. I've seen one recently

(01:05:38):
in super rugby where it was a ricochet, so the
guy that recocheted into the ball holder had no hope
of avoiding it. A red card. But I'm curious what
do you guys get by way of feedback from either
the judiciary or the refereeing whoever looks after that that

(01:06:00):
because it must be frustrating for you as the coach, Scott, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
It can be the first thing. Or'll just look to
the same clivers. We focus on what we can control
and that's our technique. So how can we be technically ready,
So we're not in a position where you're going to
a TMO. But if we do so, you practice as
best you possibly can to be safe and like I said,

(01:06:25):
around their self control. So everyone's got different ways in
different styles, but we've got to show that to the
ref consistently. Now with the yellow card that's on report,
that slowly always evolves, so they're trying to speed the
process up as much as they can, but also protect players.
Now that's the balance of the two. They've got to
get the health of the players right and the laws

(01:06:47):
of the game right, but also the speed. And you
could see that it's evolved probably from Sam Knees example,
you know that would have been on you know was
a read and the end that was probably going to
be on report and then today in AGEA would have
just been a twenty minute And I think that's where
they've got to over the years and we're in a
good place at the moment. It feels like it's changing

(01:07:07):
all the time, because probably is, but they are evolving
it so it can be like I said, fast, clean,
everyone understanding, everyone's healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Good on your Clive. Thanks for bringing up a pertinent issue.
We carry on, Jason, you're up next. What's your question
for Raiser?

Speaker 13 (01:07:22):
Oh goo chips, Yeah, question for Raisa. I was just
curious about player psychology. Actually, I recall back in the
back in the day, so the Richard McCord era was
always a huge edge that the or Blacks had. I
remember that that psychology component being quite key. And with these,
as you were sayings earlier, the seven teams, the top seven,

(01:07:42):
not much between them anymore. I'm just wondering how that's innovated,
especially under your p under your current leadership. And yeah,
if that's still such a focus, yeah, oh.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
For sure, that's massive part of the game, understanding yourself.
What we've got Doctor ker Evans, who's yeah, clinical psychologists
in the forensic criateous. Oh, he's got a lot of
leaders after his name. Anyways, a lot of study and
he's a hell of a man. He's been around and
played one hundred games for the All Whites and football

(01:08:18):
and being around the All backs for a long period
of time. And he does a lot of work individually
and then a team as well. So a lot of
your mental stuff tying back into your identity and who
we are. But then also what do you need you know?
Do you become extremely frustrated quickly or do you become
too passive? Do you like where do you sit individually?
So if you make an era or if you don't

(01:08:40):
make an era, or how can you be right on
the spot where you need to be for each game
and each moment. How can your distractions, the skill set
and the tools that you can get back to being
present in the moment. So we do a lot of
work on it. It's a big part of all sport
and any mental health in general. A lot of care
goes during the in the weekendo.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
It Thanks for your call, Jason, it's just on twenty
three away from two. We'll take a quick break, come
back with more of your calls. Raiser Robinson with us
until two o'clock here on News Talks edb.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
It's the most scrutinized. More questions to come. I just
want to ask you about Club Rugby because your name
just Squad at the Coastal Rugby Club. Many of your
players spent time at Club Rugby yesterday. I've seen some
wonderful footage on the All Black Socials about that. How
important is Club Rugby to you as far as the
New Zealand rugby ecosystem is concerned.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Oh, it's critical pathway, isn't it? From schools to club
and club's another home for everyone. You know where you
belong and you have so many memories and generational moments
that that you want to connect with, you know, in
going out there was a big, big part of it
at the beach on Jester was beautiful to the Heather family.

(01:10:04):
You know with Corey last year what he and it
was pretty tough on all the rugby community and just
to go and connect with them and just show an
appreciation that. You know, there were so many all back
jeesies running around and they were just you're just so
proud that we could go out there, and we're pleased
we could as well. It was amazing. Good on you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Let's go back to the lines. John, You've got a
question for Raiser.

Speaker 25 (01:10:24):
Yeah, right, I'll ask you about selecting Anton Lennard Brown
when he hasn't played and I don't know when he's
going to be ready to play again. When you've got
guys like Brydon En who I thought hit a particularly
good season at the center.

Speaker 7 (01:10:41):
Yeah, he did look on will be available after a
couple of tests. It's good count for him to come
and train obviously because he can play in those fist
Cup of tests. We brought the money and there's a wing,
so that sort of bounced out that the back three
for us. But he's extremely experienced. He's been for because
he's been in the game for so long, and he
can play a couple of positions, even three positions. He's

(01:11:03):
feel available to us, so that was a decision we
made there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Good on your thanks John for your call. Josh, you
got a question for Raser.

Speaker 9 (01:11:11):
Yeah, Hirasa Ta Ta Nawai did you pick him as
a as a second fiber or a lease award? I'm
thinking in his head.

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
He's a bit of a hybrid, doesn't he check him
on the side of this gun. Look, he's in anticipation
to get on the balls. Pretty incredible. He's got the
mindset and he's got those little pumpers that he just
gets over the ball like a land crab and he
just locks and and he can turn that ball over.
He's Yeah, he's differently a powerful player and good at
the breakdown.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
We'll keep going James out of the Lovely Hawks, Bay.
What's your question for Raser?

Speaker 21 (01:11:46):
Thanks finally, Raiser, just I feel like I'm speaking on
behalf of a lot of the New Zealand rugby public here.
But what I want to know is why do the
selectors persist on playing Rico Yoanni at center? My mind,
he was a brilliant winger for the All Blacks. He's
scored a lot of tries and I just don't feel
that we've seen him be the.

Speaker 25 (01:12:07):
Player he was.

Speaker 21 (01:12:10):
As center, and I don't know what I just I'm
baffled as to why the selectors persist with him in
that position.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
Yeah, look, a lot of the games. He finished on
the wing last year when we were mindful of the
combinations when we first started, and we had lost seven
hundred Test caps last year and there's a lot of experience,
so that was part of part of the reason we
paid them there and then east them back into the
back end on the wing post rugby at center as well,
and then that's how we started. But in the year

(01:12:39):
he did play wing and like I said, to play
a couple of positions really critical and he can definitely
get on the wing and finished trise.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Just on the center position. With my Hurricanes fan hat
on Billy propped it is he pushing hard for that
thirteen years of this year.

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
He's playing good, he's playing great footy. He's got his
body and great nick he's matured the young dad and
he's really consistent. So you've definitely got an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Good to hear spe lying there, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty with you, and to set John. The
other thing I just that occurred to me at the
back end of Super rugby was there seem to be
some real passion, some real feeling between opposition sites. I
wouldn't say it boiled over into dislike or hatred or
anything like that. But these guys were clearly determined to
beat one another. When they come together in the all

(01:13:30):
Blacks camp, is that something you have to manage?

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
Nah, they go on hug each other and kissing cattle.
I think it's more a sign of the competitiveness, what
they care about, where they belong, when they come from.
But you know, the black jersey unite you. The team
Black comes in and then that competition's done. Now on
represent in my country. So you need that, you need
the rivalry, You need all those things to come together.

(01:13:57):
So you know, you've got heroes and villains. You know,
I got storylines and that makes it. The people love
the theater of it. But when it's it's done and
you move on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Are you're okay with with your players having personalities, displaying
their personality and you always were an exuberant personality yourself.
You're because rugby, like any sport, needs narratives, doesn't it.
You're happy for guys like Recco are your artie to
get on social media and stir things up a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:14:25):
Looks Rique, Look he's actually he's a good man. He
plays that game a little bit you. You probably have
one joker in your team, aren't you, you know, and
he's that guy entice his people. But you know, look,
that's the other side to me is incredible professional. He's
deeply about who he's playing for, works really, really hard,

(01:14:47):
and he's played a hell a lot of rugby in
the last nine to ten years. And you know when
he rang and said, look, I would like to go
to Dublin and fellow Georgia, I was like, you repeat that, man,
that's awesome. You know, you know he'll be a better
player for that. And the opportunity created for himself for
being so consistent to get away will be know. I'm
great to stick for him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Back to the lines we go. Hi, John, your your
question for Raser?

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Yeah, Raser? Did you did you watch them?

Speaker 8 (01:15:15):
Mary or great?

Speaker 23 (01:15:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
How good? How talented? Are they? So good to see.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
And what a very little first live.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
Rivers Rahana.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Listeners from.

Speaker 7 (01:15:33):
Used to play with his dead and Brucie. He was
a hell of a player himself. You can see all
the traits in the character's come through. He's coming up
aging and nicely. Good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
John.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Thanks, Indeed, we'll get a couple more in George Hi mate,
what's your question for Raiser?

Speaker 23 (01:15:50):
And hey, thanks plenty for giving us so much public
exist to Razor, it's awesome, hey, Rasor, Christian for you.
As a follow up to that fully proper comment before
Rico was obviously preferred last year, it seems so what
what was he offering more last year than the what
the le wasn't in with with a lot of talk
Scott Hanson and then at the selection about wanting to

(01:16:11):
go a lot wider this year and get into the
space that suits Billy team for just the comment of
Belie versus find the third a jumper.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Yeah, there's.

Speaker 7 (01:16:22):
Probably the big thing with Ricky just is his experience.
And I suppose you have to pay pals to get experience,
and that's the balance that you do. And you win
the Test. You're trying to win the Test match in
front of you, so you get the balance of it.
But the great thing is Billy's played Buddy well this
year and and and he's kept the pressure on us,
you know, and we'll get the best out of both
of them, and I think you know, pick them for

(01:16:44):
in the right positions we feel it is to win
for our country.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Good on you, George just on Super Rugby. No one
forced rest this year. He didn't say, you got guys
need to only play six matches in a row and
then and then not play again. Ricco started every game
for the Blues Quartie summer, Penny Finale played every game
for the Chiefs Dupes, and cam roy Gard every game
for the Hurricanes. Any concerns about their oding as you
go into the Test season.

Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
One thing I did when we first come in, I
wanted to try and change the narrative around it, like
you know, it's all back rest that that sort of gone,
hasn't it in the last couple of years. I wanted
to individualize it because you want to get the best
out of players. Some players have been injured the year
before and they had to have five games in the rest,

(01:17:29):
but some games, some players just need six, seven, eight games.
So those guys were managed in the back, in the background.
They still played where they needed to, but they were
they were managing the background of off the field with
their training still to get the best out of them.
So more individualized to get the best out of them.
So you learn by playing, you get better by playing,

(01:17:50):
and everyone was different. Some players had less some but
it wasn't made public, so we didn't have an article
and even goes of All Backs aren't watching, so I'm
not watching. Start playing, so I'm not watching. Excuse me?
So yeah, the narrative changed a little bit and it's
working here just.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
On eleven away from two. One more break and then
back with our final few minutes with All Blacks coach
Scott Robertson here on News Talks dB.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Board. Your question to the coach, All Black's coach, Scot
Robertson taking your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and DJ gun Homes, New
Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
That'd be seven and a half away from two. Man
the hour has flown by. So we're getting ready for
a test series against France. Do you know you're starting
fifteen before the squad assembles? Are the first test on it?

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
Yep? Yeah, well yes and no, you're sort of eighty
percent there. Obviously, there's some medicals and scans to have
after finals and you and you sort of try and
work out the whole test series. Git Afield, who can
play so we can play all of the players ideally
that that's the intention. Doesn't sometimes always work that way,
and then you know you have your first twenty three

(01:19:03):
and what is it going to work off off the
back of that? So then you get again incommodations, training,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
You mentioned before, and it's well documented every test you
lost last year you let it halftime. So is that
finishing the last twenty minutes or whatever it might be.
Is that Has that been a real focus ahead of
twenty twenty five?

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (01:19:20):
Yeah. You stage it into your trainings and you make
people aware of it and what does it look like?
And you know, how do we react to it? And
so you start training those daily habits part of it,
and just more important in your mindset. You know, we
probably stopped paying a little bit. Sometimes, sometimes you overplayed,
sometimes the discipline wasn't great. So it's not just one thing,
but the awareness of it, and then you put it

(01:19:41):
into training as much as you can and all the
mental skill stuff as well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I mean you must sit there in the first half
of the year watching Super Rugby, watching the eighteen rounds
of it and then the finals and think, man, can
I just get my hands on these guys? And now
you have got them. We're less than a week out
from the first test. How are your emotions? How excited
are you to get the Test season started?

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
Yeah? Look, my job is to take it away as
many distractions as possible, so we're really clear and free
in mind so we can play. Got incredibly talented group
that care deeply about it. So how do you set
them up in the game. How do you send them
off the off the field so when they come under
the roof we can we can play fast and showcase
that and deal with any adversity that comes along. So

(01:20:20):
you're excited. You have all the plans in place, but
you still got an adept and adjust as you go along.
Test theories are different. You know, you don't often get
to pay three to the same team three times in
a row. So their own narratives, you know Test series.
You know the French teams what it is that they'll be.
French will just play who's in front of us with
majority of the focuses on us. We know how they're
going to play from the last few years, you know,

(01:20:45):
and they'll bring the fair.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
And it's your intent to give everybody a game that's year.

Speaker 7 (01:20:50):
As I mentioned before that that's the intent to give
the guys as many as an opportunity to pay in
these three test series here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
All right, So finally before we go, as I said before,
it's amazing that you make yourself available to come in
and take calls and and interact with the fans, And
no doubt you get plenty of that when you're just
out in the back getting your cold, or at at
an airport or whatever you might be. It feels to
me anyway as though you do embrace that. Though you do,

(01:21:19):
and I presume that filters down, you are keen for
everybody you know to be involved in the All Blacks
and what you're about.

Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
Yeah, look, I'm a public figure, so I'm going to
get public feedback. And your opinions are great because it
means people care about our game and it's the national sport,
and you're naturally recognized, and you know, look you have
a scene around together we walk, which was a bigger
part of it. I wanted the country to realize that
we're representing them. So if I'm out in public walk
and this gay's walked together, and and I say that

(01:21:50):
to connected, so terrorism that people can see, you know,
the artis the Scott Barretts that whoever's there that they're real,
they can achieve it and in you know, keep that
idolizing of the all blacks and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Connected when you often need and Tuesday is it?

Speaker 7 (01:22:07):
Yeah, Tuesday Tuesday down South.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Fantastic. Well again, Razer, thank you for taking the time
to pop in and and fill us all in. It's
been been awesome to jett you. Hope you've enjoyed interacting
with our listeners as well on the phone. Heaps of
text we couldn't get to but we wish you all
the best for the for the year ahead, starting with
France and Dunedin next Saturday. Look forward to seeing you
down there.

Speaker 7 (01:22:28):
Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks you everyone listening as well,
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Scott raisor Robertson in studio with us. That's two years
in a row. He's done it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Let's hope that a year from now we can we
can do it again. I won't make you commit to it,
but could you commit to it next year?

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Do it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
News Talks d BE two o seven. Welcome back in
what on hour with Razor Man that went by in
a flash. Thank you for all your calls, Thank you
for trying to get through. It was pretty much a
full board the whole hour, as you'd probably expect when
you have the All Blacks coaching. A thousand texts which
I couldn't get to and I'm really sorry for that.

(01:23:25):
We just didn't have the time to get them all on,
but I read if you had to raise her afterwards
he was I think he was quite taken with the
fact that there's so much engagement with his team. So
thank you for engaging with us. All Blacks commentaries. You'll
find them live on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio and News Talks.

(01:23:45):
He'd be right across this calendar year. We start next
Saturday in Dunedin. Then it's Wellington and Hamilton for matches
against France, two tests away against Argentina, then those two
massive games against South Africa in September Eden Park and
Sky Stadium and Home and away led a slow Cup
tests before the end of year tour. Rugby editor and

(01:24:07):
match commentator Elliott Smith has his itinery Lockton. He'll be
at all of them. I think I'm going to the
home ones. I think that's good enough, isn't it? Off
to Dandian next week Wellington Hamilton. What a job. I
hope you can come with us and catch that commentary
on News talks 'B and Gold Sport right across the year.

(01:24:27):
We're in Dneda next week, as I say, at Emerson's Brewery.
So if you're in Toneda next Saturday and you want
to pop down between midday and three, please feel free.
We'd love to see you. But a pre match banter
always love some face to face talk back. I got
a message from Dunedin sporting icon Michael mcgowry. You won't
get out of Emerson's, he says, well, I kind of

(01:24:47):
have to Mike to get to the game. But I
like the way you're thinking. I like the way you're thinking.
This hour, we're in Vegas where Kai Cutter France will
fight for the UFC flyweight title as part of UFC
three one seven later on today. Ravender Herniett is in
Vegas Skysport UFC presenter and analyst James mccony, but later

(01:25:11):
than normal, but we'll also be in for his regular slot,
and very shortly we're with Alex Powell as we break
down a really impressive qualifying effort by Liam Lawson at
the Austrian Formula One Grand Prix. He will start sixth
on the grid tomorrow morning, sixth for the Austrian Grand Prix.
That's as high as he's been in twenty twenty five.

(01:25:32):
But as we took over nine past two, as we
always do at this time on weekend sport, it's time
to catch you up with some of the things you
might have missed. It's called in case you missed it.
Let's start in the NRL. The Warriors losing back to
back games for the first time this season, despite some

(01:25:53):
aerial heroics from Lecqua hallasimas the.

Speaker 8 (01:25:59):
Hello seen Scot next to the posts where the Warriors.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Give themselves on my trout.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Yeah, going down twenty six twelve at sun Corp. They
stay fourth on the table, but the big question mark
is over Luke Metcalf. Has he done his ACL we'll
find out in the next couple of days. Might he
be out for the season. We keep our fingers crossed
for the Warriors and for Luke Metcalf. The Dragons, meantime,
had to hold off a fast finishing Paramatta Eels side

(01:26:26):
before coming up with the game's defining moments.

Speaker 14 (01:26:29):
Christie, we're catching holds your stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Whatsa the tubby thirty four to twenty the Dragons getting
there and for the third time in four games, the
Dolphins racked up fifty, this time against the rabbit o's
with years away.

Speaker 26 (01:26:52):
No one's close, Mitchell's closing but not fast enough. Hoo
dummy you Lovelise punchers over.

Speaker 27 (01:27:06):
His day set advance.

Speaker 23 (01:27:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
The eight tries for the Dolphins in their fifty to
twenty eight victory, taking them into the top eight. To rugby.
The British and Irish Lions have begun their tour of
Australia in dominant fashion against the Force. One of these
reserves will be desperate.

Speaker 28 (01:27:22):
That tie got it to score one last try in
front of coach.

Speaker 26 (01:27:27):
Andy Fowrel toy fort two handsOn mac Hanson comes GoF for.

Speaker 11 (01:27:32):
Here there is the final try a four five.

Speaker 9 (01:27:36):
Metril and the Prittish night climes for.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
A fifteen year fifty four to seven, the final score
the Lions over the Force and Perth. Meantime, the Mario
All Blacks have come from behind at half time, scoring
six second half tries and thumping the Japan fifteen in Tokyo.

Speaker 26 (01:27:54):
So Walker, Leo Wedding arrive on numbers plenty of space
away to the left. Win here, trust jailer, trust Send
and the many All Blacks cracked the half century.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Into fifty three twenty the final score there to cricket
and Leandre Pretorious has become the youngest centurion in South
Africa's Test cricket history. A brilliant one hundred and fifty
three on debut at the age of nineteen years and
ninety three days, and.

Speaker 9 (01:28:26):
He's got it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Lon Repertorious gets himself to a made it Test match
hundred on debut. The left hander one hundred of one
hundred and twelve balls on Day one of the First
Tests against Zimbabwe and Bulawayo, helping the Proteas reach four
eighteen for nine. He broke a record which has stood
since December nineteen sixty three. It hasn't that a song

(01:28:52):
by Frankie Velly anyway. Graham Pollock made one hundred and
twenty back then against Australia and Sydney when he was
nineteen years, three hundred and eighteen days. And finally our
men's under nineteen basketball team have started the Fever Under
nineteen World with a win over Argentina. Jackson wall at.

Speaker 15 (01:29:09):
The free throw line and he puts New Zealand clear
by a score that might just about be enough seventy
seven seventy two. Then Lacy is chucked as New Zealand
open the Fever Under nineteen World Cup with a win

(01:29:29):
over Argentina.

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shortly with Alex Powell regarding Formula one, but our own
Wellington Phoenix taking on Wrexham AFC next month at Sky Stadium.
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to watch Wellington Phoenix take on Wrexham AFC next month
at Sky Stadium. It's just on fourteen pass to a
strong qualifying performance from Liam Lawson ahead of tomorrow's Austrian
Formula One Grand Prix the Key we will start from
sixth on the grid, the best of the four red
ball back drivers after reigning champion Max for stap and

(01:30:45):
had to settle for seventh fastest. His final lap was
ruined by a late yellow flag. It is Liam Lawson's
best qualifying effort of the season, beating his starting spot
of ninth. That the Monaco Grand Prix.

Speaker 27 (01:30:56):
We've done a lot of work on the car and
on my side as well, just to make it more
comfortable for me, and it's been there, it just hasn't shown,
so it's nice to show it today, but obviously tomorrow's
also the import.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
It's also the first time since Saudi Arabia in mid
April that Liam Lawson has outqualified his racing balls teammatee
Isaac Hadger, who could only manage thirteenth fastest McLaren's Lando
and Iris on pole, ahead of Charla Clair and the Ferrari.
The other McLaren of Oscar Piastre, Lewis Hamilton fourth and
the second Ferrari. Then George Russell fifth for Mercedes and
Liam Lawson sixth on the grid. Our Formula One expert

(01:31:31):
is the New Zealand Herald's Alex Powell, who, after having
a fact I'm going to get you to put him
to air for me if you could. Mark, who's had
a late night or a very early morning covering the race,
but is able to chat to us now, Alex talk
us through what Liam did really well in qualifying.

Speaker 29 (01:31:49):
I mean it's hard to say why he did well
and nailed down to one per six thing. He definitely
did some hot chips for the way he's driven sort
of all week and it has been a very tight field.
I guess what he did was he just didn't make
any mistakes and he had everything go as way. Like
I came on your show a couple of weeks ago
before Canada and we spoke about how he just needs
things to go his way and they just don't. And
then the two times they haven't been Monaco in Austria

(01:32:11):
where he's qualified in the top ten.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Are you starting to see the benefit of time behind
the Racing Bulls wheel for Liam?

Speaker 29 (01:32:19):
I think absolutely you are getting that. I don't think
Liam Lawson has been as bad as what has been
put out there, like we seem to have this almost
vampiric need for him to these scoring points every weekend.
But the issue has been that his teammate Isaac Hadjar
has just been flying, you know. So you look at
where they are in a Constructor's Championship and that Racing
Bulls carp probably is about six best. So results of

(01:32:40):
eleventh and twelfth are basically where they should be.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
It's wonderful use of the word vampiric. I don't think
I've ever heard that on the radio before. So make
a note of that word and use it often from
here on in. So I guess now the challenge is
to stay there when the race is underway tomorrow. Talk
to us about this course, Alex, how challenging will it
be for Liam to hold sixth spot, or how likely

(01:33:05):
or not is it that he even move up from
that position.

Speaker 29 (01:33:08):
It's going to be tricky. Like I said that the
racing bulls car is not as fast as you know
the other ones around him, especially when he's got Max
with Stappin behind him in seventh. I mean, the Stapfen's
goning to be like a volcano and to turn one,
just exploding all over the place. I think the thing
that really could go in and stay with though, is
the track has been very hot, and like we saw
in Canada, when it is that hot, you can't really

(01:33:29):
be too aggressive on your tires. So like we saw,
you know in Canada a couple weeks ago, when Lawson
qualified downe in nineteenth, he was really stuck and having
to try and push to get higher up while managing
what he's gone underneath him. But now that he's in
six he can sort of try and hold where he is,
like if he if he's finished at sixth rather, that'll
be brilliant. If he gets seventh that'll be great as well,
given that the staff and probably will pass them quite

(01:33:50):
early on.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
So what happened to Max for Stapan, that's low for
him seventh. But I read your report this morning in
the New Zealand Herald and you talked about a yellow
flag on his final flying lap. Tell us about that.

Speaker 29 (01:34:04):
So basically, Pierre Gasley of Alpine lost control at the
last turn, triggered a yellow flag and that means that
the step and had to slow down right as he
was coming around that sort of last sector, which meant
that the the lap he was on which might have
seen him and he probably would have seen him go ahead,
was then void basically because he had to drop his
pace and he couldn't get the final tenth of the

(01:34:25):
second he needed to qualify, you know, maybe definitely probably
in the top four because he you know, he had
had polled the last five Austrian Grand Prix.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Just back to Liam, I watched some of his postmatch
interview and there just seemed to be a heck of
a lot of relief there. You know, he said, it's
been a tough year and you and I have talked
about it a lot, a lot on and off the year.
It has been a tough year. Is there any danger
that now he's qualified sixth that he you know that
he feels job done in Austria and that he might

(01:34:54):
not perhaps achieve sixth tomorrow. If you get where I'm
driving it, he.

Speaker 29 (01:34:59):
Won't think it's job done. He said afterwards that the
important day is today. It depends what you want as success.
I mean the points finished from here is an incredible results.
You know, you look at where Hajjar is and he's
meant to be the better of the two drivers of
based off results, and he's done in thirteen. So if
Liam can get in the points and they head of Hajar,
I think that'll be perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Yuki Sonoda eighteenth the poison chealous of the second Red
Bull driver. What's going on here?

Speaker 26 (01:35:26):
Ah?

Speaker 29 (01:35:26):
I mean it's the same issue that Liam Lawson had.
It's the same issue that Sergio Perez had. It's the
same issue that Alex Album had. It's the same issue
that Pierre Guess we had. Lightning doesn't strike five times.
Red Bull have just built that car for Maxistap and
only and Maxi Stapan is just a freak. You know,
he will do things. You know in any car, it's
basically a tractor on. You know that they've got out
there and you've just got a generational talent in one

(01:35:48):
of them, but then the other car is struggling.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
So how then do they make progress in the Constructors Championship.

Speaker 29 (01:35:56):
Well they don't, and they've said as much. They don't
really care. Once they've moved lim Lawson back to racing balls,
they were adamant, no, we don't care about the Constructors Championship.
We just want to see for step in winnifit straight
drive title, you know, and that will have ramifications further
down the track. But in the short term they I
think they're prepared to just bang on the credibility of
having another driver's title.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
But don't I remember reading or you might have even
told me this that they were keen on the constructors Championship,
But clearly the strategy doesn't suggest that they are.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
No.

Speaker 29 (01:36:28):
I mean, you need two cars scoring points in the
Constructor and basically they've not had that all season. I
think since Yuki's gone there, he scored points in one race,
you know, So that tells you basically everything you need
to know that that is not a championship winning car.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Could anybody drive the second? What have you put Lando
Norris in there, or Charlie Clair or Oscar Piastre. Would
they have the same issues Pastree.

Speaker 29 (01:36:52):
I think might be a shout just because everything here
about him is that he is so good at problem
solving in real time. But I think any of those
other nineteen drives on the grid are going to struggle
if you just drop them in there right away. Let's
not forget Maxis Stappens and not just turned up either.
He's been that team for years and they've been able
to tailor it to his wants and needs.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Back to Liam then to finish. So what time we
go tomorrow morning? Is about one o'clock New Zealand time?

Speaker 29 (01:37:15):
Is it one am? Everyone's getting up with me?

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Okay, well look I'll set the alarm and get up
and have a look. What's your peg? What are you?
I mean I o'hazan head and all that sort of thing.
What's your head telling you about what's going to happen?

Speaker 29 (01:37:31):
I think he might lose a place or two off
the start, but I think there's definitely enough, especially if
Racing Bulls get the strategy right, like it has been
a real area of contention this year with how they've
worked with Liam, whereas Isaac Hadjar has had the better
of it. Remember back to Saudi Arabia where leam Elk
qualified Hadja. They put Hadjar on the better strategy and
he ended up overtaking him on a different set of tires.

(01:37:52):
So if they can do that, I think points is
definitely achievable. But like as we know, we're motors for
anything can and will happen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Thank you for your vampiric analysis, Alex.

Speaker 13 (01:38:02):
Anytime mate got on Alex Pale.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
You can read him at nz herel dot com dot ends.
It is our motorsport expert and yeah, a regular contributor
to Weekend Sport. Here's Liam Lawson after qualifying.

Speaker 27 (01:38:14):
It's been a strong day and something that feels very good. Honestly,
it's been a very very tough year. And you know,
as we're saying like that, the car has been very
fast and we've been fast through most practice sessions recently
and had really good potential for qualifying and then it's
for whatever reason doesn't come through. Sometimes it's super small

(01:38:35):
things at the moment, getting the tire in the right
window or just putting together a lap, and yeah, it's
been pretty tough, so to get this done today is
is a good feeling.

Speaker 16 (01:38:46):
Yeah, it says an awful lot about your character. You've
had to have the tin hats on the times during
this year, so you could go away and proved one
or two points, not just not just a single one.
I think, No, I mean and and tomorrow converting it?

Speaker 9 (01:39:00):
What what?

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
What?

Speaker 16 (01:39:01):
What's it going to take to try and stay there?
Are there the bucks where you start?

Speaker 27 (01:39:05):
I think the strategy is it's not that clear, to
be honest, and I think you know, our long run
pace was good, but it's about making the right decisions
tomorrow obviously for me, getting a good start doing the
right things behind the wheel. And I think there's a
couple of guys obviously around us that we're probably not fighting,
but some of the guys behind we're going to try
and keep her.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Good on him, mate, I just think good on him.
He's had such a tough year and some of his
post qualifying, post practice, post race and the views have
been filled with obvious frustrations. So for him to have
a mixture of obviously delight but also just a little
bit of relief that you know that things went his
way for once this year was cool to see. So

(01:39:46):
one o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand Time, as Alex Palell
said is when the race starts. Let's hope that he
can well stay sixed, even move a little bit further up.
Simon says on text Leam just has to let Max
go at turn one and then slam the jandle down
on the pedal, keep it clean and get some points easy.
I'll be watching. Let's go, Liam says Simon. Good on you, Simon,

(01:40:09):
You've almost got me sitting in alarm. I probably should
get up and have a look, shouldn't I two twenty four.
Let's take a break when we come back, he's here
in person in the fleece James mcconey.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Right after this, You love Voice of Sport on your
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Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Talks, HEV News Talks two twenty seven. Part of our
Sundays is James McConney. I like the way you came
into the studio at one forty for your regular slot
and saw Razor and tried to kick him out.

Speaker 28 (01:40:39):
I did. I was saying, this is my time, raiser,
You've got all season to impress everybody. Get out, and
then it was a bit of a tussle, I guess,
a bit of a wrestle. All the moves felt legal
until I started gouging in a certain places and then yeah,
it ended with a hopawadi. But the thing is, like
I was happy to hear what he had to say,
and I actually really liked what He's really good with

(01:41:01):
the people. I think he's got a job Piney when
he retires from coaching. He could do this, couldn't he
Absolutely he could.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
And I mean, you know there's people you get in
here and we say, hey, we're going to take some calls,
and two things happen. One that's on I'd rather not
just you and I just chat. Or we say we're
going to take some calls and nobody calls four border
calls the whole time. And look, he's the All Blacks coach,
of course he is. But he has got an ability
to connect with people, right.

Speaker 7 (01:41:27):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 28 (01:41:28):
And I mean I think Raiser is actually playing chess
and other people are playing checkers at the moment, because
I know that there are a lot of Crusaders fans,
Canary fans phoning up and kind of in a way saying,
you know, there's too many Chiefs, not enough Ethans.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
And but Ethan will come back.

Speaker 28 (01:41:45):
I think Ethan Blackhader, even though he's got a medical
condition at the moment, Like if he didn't have that
and the All Blacks were playing South Africa in a
big knockout game, I think Ethan Blackheader would have been selected.
So we have to look at the squad as slightly experimental.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Yep, And look much as I'll say, they'll play what's
in front of them. Every player and that squad's go
to play against France, aren't they. This isn't a situation
where they need to lock the series up and play.
You know, only twenty eight of these thirty three. Everybody's
getting a game right, so we're going to see six
dabots basically pretty much.

Speaker 28 (01:42:15):
And the other thing that what Rais has done, and
it's only taken a year to sort of work this out,
is that you actually need to focus on turnovers. It's
such a big part of knockout rugby, big games, turnovers
are crucial. And you look at South Africa. Everyone out
there right now in their car at home is thinking
Malcolm Marx Quackersmith. We know how dangerous they are, so
we watch them do that to us every single time,

(01:42:35):
and we've got nothing in retaliation to that. So what
Rais has done and by getting Tabatava Nai who on
the acc we called Tabatava turnover and you've got duplessy Kidifi.
They are the best statistically by Miles and I reckon
it's taken all Blex coaches way too long to recognize this.
Hanson was lucky because you had McCaw who was the
best at it, but also your best player. So it's

(01:42:56):
a cheat code. You've got all all in one, a
one stop shop. Once you lose mccor where is it
all coming from? I know sam Kin was a really
good player, but I'm talking about off the bench pact turnovers.
They Hanson and Foster just ignored it. And I reckon
it's a massive part because we go to every World Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
And we go, oh no, they turned over the ball
at crucial time.

Speaker 28 (01:43:17):
How did that happen? Well, it is because the other
team think about it. All our opponents that are thinking
about that day and night.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
So do you reckon? We can set our watch to
around that sixty minute mark in a couple of these
test matches, look over and see Tava Tava Nahai and Khalife.
Are you ready to come on and do exactly that?

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
Exactly that?

Speaker 28 (01:43:33):
And I mean, look Quackersmith, if he played in Super Rugby,
he might not start either, but Russi, Russmus would still
pick him. You know, that's the fact he's not getting
in ahead of Dalton, Papaa, Luke Jacobson, you know at all.
Even Tom Kristy would probably get picked ahead of Quaker.
But he is coming on to make an impact and
that is what rugby has become. New Zealand coaches have
taken way too long to recognize that. But interestingly Razers

(01:43:55):
started talking about wingers with absolute pace who aren't the
biggest athletes, and I think that's the other area where
we need to have a massive sea change in New
Zealand rugby around the world. Louis Bill the Frenchman, he's
absolutely lightning, you know, cheers and Colby has been man
in the match in a World Cup and he's still
men in the match last night against the Barbarians. And

(01:44:16):
then you've got mack Hanson. He is so skinny, that guy.
He's into cliff top diving as well. Mack Hanson, the
Irish and Lions winger and you can see why he's
built like a javelin.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
He is just on the back three. And you might
have heard raisers say they want to be four deep
in every position.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
I don't reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
We're four deep on the wings.

Speaker 28 (01:44:34):
Do you know that's the big area? And I think
you could tell somebody was probing him, someone from Hawks Bay.

Speaker 7 (01:44:40):
Did they probe them?

Speaker 28 (01:44:40):
Yeah, I've been proved by some of them from Hawk's Bay.
But the thing is it actually does He did reveal
that Leroy Carter was in the mix, but I think
Caleb tangy Tail was the one that he really had
a good look at. Yep, and he got injured. And
I reckon, if he played the whole season and played
the same way, he'll be the one coming in.

Speaker 7 (01:44:57):
But a leak pace.

Speaker 28 (01:44:59):
You look around the place. We don't have a blbre No,
you're right, Actually.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
We don't do it.

Speaker 7 (01:45:04):
No, we don't or a Chislan.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
I'd listen to a podcast with Nick Gill, the the
All Black strength and conditioning coach during the week, and
he said the fastest guy on the team's Rico Yuani.

Speaker 28 (01:45:15):
Yes, Well, that's the thing. Rico has still got elite wheels.
But do you know what also happens, And everybody who
follows first fifteen rugby will at a high level will
know this is that the NRL scouts are here and
they're taking out our quick guys. You know County Kenny whoever,
he's on the Gold Coast now. So that is the
other problem is that those little quick guys League are
not afraid of them, because I've always had those guys

(01:45:37):
in their team and now with Rugby starting to say
actually we need that because, like Razor says, if you've
got that extra bit of pace, it just creates opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
Now the British and Irish lines have arrived in Australia.
They played the Western Force last night. Did you have
a look at this?

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
I did.

Speaker 28 (01:45:50):
I did look at the Lions and I love watching
the lines and they almost like a bit like the
Maori All Blacks. They kind of do like to chuck
it around a bit. And so even in their first game,
second game really, but their first game in Australia, they
just they were expect They're exciting to watch. I felt
sorry for the half back Thomas Williams pulled a hammy

(01:46:12):
doing an incredible die for a try, so you don't
want to do that early in the tour. But one
thing I did notice is that Henry Pollock is absolute
box office, the twenty year old from Northampton.

Speaker 7 (01:46:22):
He's a loose forward.

Speaker 28 (01:46:23):
If you haven't watched him play, you need to watch
him because he is just He's so exciting that when
you think could the game change and bring someone like
that that into the mix. And I think when the
Test team is named, he'll be in the twenty three,
but maybe on the bench.

Speaker 19 (01:46:37):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Other sporting matters from yesterday, the Warriors for the first
time this year didn't back up a loss with a win,
So back to back losses Panthers Broncos, two good teams.
Luke Metcalfe, man, if he's out for the season, what
does that do to the Warriors' chances, Well.

Speaker 28 (01:46:53):
It hurts them, but Tanner Boyd we're lucky. So he
was the Gold Coast half back last year. He's been
signed and he's ready, he's wearing to go. He's been
playing really well at New South Wales Cup level and
or en Cup as they call it, and so he's
he's up to the task. But what you lose with
Luke metcalf is. He is actually probably one of the

(01:47:14):
top line breakers in the Warriors and in the in
the competition and even last night because he saw his
knee was a little bit strapped too. He I think
line breaks was one of the stats where the Broncos
absolutely killed us. The other one was stupid penalties from
the referees. But we're not allowed to say that because
as soon as you question their integrity, you get old
Bill Harrigan on the line.

Speaker 7 (01:47:34):
But there was some.

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
There was a shocker.

Speaker 28 (01:47:35):
There was it with Wade Egan when he he did
try to milk it but he was getting pushed as
he was playing the ball, and that's it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:41):
That's a penalty all day.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
The other one was when was it Adam Reynolds was
or Reece Waltz was chasing after a kick he was
off side, Yeah, got taken out, but they got the penalty.

Speaker 28 (01:47:52):
But he's offside, Yeah, so what's he doing going downtown? Well,
I mean that's the thing they allow, and it's a
different rule. But in rugby, you were you're not allowed
to advance at all, and so that's that. There are
a few anomalies that pop up, but I think the
Warriors again, it's really sad Arli lad Tower is out
with an ankle surgery for five or six weeks, so

(01:48:12):
we're missing strike power. But even just looking at Roger
two of us to go back to fullback, it's kind
of like every cloud there's a silver lining because if
he goes to fullback, he'll touch the ball bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
And actually they're just on knees. When chance nikol Kluksta
went off when when he got landed, man, that did
not look good. No, that did not look good at all.
Hey under nineteen tall blacks. I enjoyed this. I watched
this on YouTube last night. They beat Argentina in the
first game at the World Cup.

Speaker 28 (01:48:37):
They did, and this is massive. Like you think about
Argentinian teams and they've always been good. And obviously we
know about Managenoble and the legacy in the NBA. But
there's two players to I guess have a lookout for.
One is because he's a son of a legend, Hayden Jones,
son of Phil Jones, and he was in there crashing
the glass just like is not really a Phil Jones player.
He's driving to the hoop and just you know, he's

(01:49:00):
way more aggressive than his dad. He just just add
on three point lines. Where's Phil I had to find them?
I mean Jackson Ball. He's been making headlines if you're
into the NBL. He's been playing in Hawk's Bay, scoring
forty point games and all this kind of crazy stuff.
But he's going to Wisconsin possibly, and Wisconsin, even though
it's famous for that seventies show, also famous for very

(01:49:20):
good basketball, is in a very good basketball program. So
I think if he goes there it's because he will
get minutes and both of those guys could make the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
I think he's still year twelve Jackson Ball. Yeah, he's
not even a seventh former.

Speaker 7 (01:49:32):
Yet, it's right.

Speaker 28 (01:49:33):
So in the New Zealand NBL, which has imports from
America and people from Australia and all sorts in there,
he is dominating.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
That's how good he is. Yeah, so good.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Hey, just to finish Auckland City FC at home a
one old draw with Boca Juniors, had Gordon Watson, their
general manager, on the show yesterday. Yeah, pretty significant given
the results in the first couple of games.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
It is.

Speaker 28 (01:49:53):
It's a huge comeback and turn around. Christian Gray, what
a name. Fifty shades of Navy is it they play
in but they he scored a really good goal and
Boka can't complain. But what's happened is that their main rivals,
Boka j is obviously a massive name in football, but
their main rival is River Plate, equally big name. They
are so excited about Auckland City they're singing, They're singing chants.

(01:50:17):
The composing chants are online. I don't really speak Spanish,
but that they're singing Auckland City chants in Buenos Aires
in Argentina to celebrate what they've done to Bocca juniors
by knocking them out. And so if you can get
some merchandise or some Auckland City flags to Argentina, you'll
make a killing.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
Absolutely right wonderful to have you mate. Are you to
revert back to the original that your original normal time
slot next week or do you do you prefer this?

Speaker 28 (01:50:43):
Well, I mean, I mean being bumped by Rayser. It's
not the worst thing that's happened to me, but obviously
I did feel like a bit of an our for play,
and I'm sorry for the tussle and I'll tidy up.
There's a few mics knocked around, but it was just playful, Okay,
that's what happened. It was like more Greco Roman than anything.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
It was it never really seemed to sort of degenerate
into it anything more serious than that. We'll get your
back at one forty next Sunday. Make great to see you.

Speaker 28 (01:51:06):
Cheers, Thanks Boney.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
James mcconey part of our Sundays normally one forty today
two forty because of rays and I think that's probably
the only reason that we would bump the great man.
We'll see you next week just on twenty two away
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(01:51:28):
game July nineteen at Sky Stadium to give away before
we're off the show on and hit at three next though,
we're in Vegas for UFC three one seven The Big Issues.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
On and after Field Call Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason Tyme and GJ. Gunner
Homes New Zealand's most trusted homebuilder News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
It'd BB two forty one to Vegas shortly for UFC
three one seven, but just on the Warriors. We mentioned
it with James mcconey. Back to back losses for the
first time this season. Not much went their way in
this game twenty six twelve, they went down to the
Broncos in Brisbane. More worrying though, Luke metcarth and Tent
and also Chance nikol Klukstar face stints on the sideline.

(01:52:10):
They're both going to undergo scans when they get back
to New Zealand on their knee or their respective knees.
Early fears suggest that Luke Metcalf may have torn his
acl Now that would be utterly, utterly tragic. He suffered
the same injury in his left knee in twenty nineteen.
Here's Andrew Webster afterwards.

Speaker 29 (01:52:30):
We're not sure, y, yeah, we're going to have to
get back to the New Zealand and find out, get
some scans done on him and Chance and just see
what the extent of the injuries are.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
But so may be planned in two weeks time.

Speaker 7 (01:52:44):
I can tell you that much. But I'm just going
to wait and see what the scans are.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Utterly utterly gutting for well, both of those players. By
the sounds of things, metcalf is the one who might
face the longest stint. We keep our fingers crossed. Andrew
Webster was also aggrieved by two key off side rulings
that went against his side. In the first half, Wade
Egan was penalized for being off side. Then in the
second half, Broncos fullback Reese Walsh was taken out chasing

(01:53:10):
an Adam Reynolds kick. Brisbane were given a penalty despite
the fact that Reese Walsh was offside.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
Yeah, I was right in front of that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
He was miles offside, miles off side.

Speaker 27 (01:53:19):
Kwade Egan in the first half, I asked you to
go and pause it when the play the ball is
and you Tommy.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
How he's offside. He's three meters on side.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
So thither it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
They just made that up.

Speaker 7 (01:53:32):
Ricee Walsh is waiting in front of the first refrigement.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
It's that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
And if I give me a crap that it's found
players on, it's that's the first refreshment.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
I don't know how they miss it.

Speaker 24 (01:53:43):
I'm not a touch judge, I'm not a ref.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
I was down there. I can see there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
So yeah, some more than mild annoyance there from Andrew Webster.
They got to buy. Next week the Warriors and then
the West Tigers are their next opponent. We wait, as
I say. Four News on Luke Metcalf and Charan's Nicol Klukstar.
UFC three one seven is on at T Mobile Arena
in Las Vegas this afternoon of most interest for us?

(01:54:09):
Can we fight at Kai Cutter France fighting for the
UFC Flyweight title. He's up against current title holder Alexandra Pantoca.
UFC three one seven available on Skysport now pay per
view Skysport. UFC presenter and analyst Raven de Hernia joins
us from Vegas. Exciting times. Rav for Chai Cutter France,

(01:54:30):
what sort of feeling do you get from him? You've
been in and around him and the build up to this.
What sort of feeling do you get from Chai Cutter
France against you know, ahead of his his flyweight title shot?

Speaker 14 (01:54:41):
Well, first of all, Kelder, I get absolute confidence from him.
I've you know, I've.

Speaker 30 (01:54:47):
Been there to witness and get ready for fights before,
but I've never seen him so like ready, but so
tuned in ready. I don't whenever we are having conversations
about the fight or anything.

Speaker 14 (01:54:58):
He's never ever talking about Pantosa. He's always talking about.

Speaker 30 (01:55:02):
You know, his mindset, his preparations, what he's done in
terms of embracing his Tahamudia, you know, a lot more
during this camp to get him in the right mind.

Speaker 14 (01:55:12):
Space, spiritual space.

Speaker 30 (01:55:14):
So I get a real sense of confidence from him
that he feels he is, you know, has the goods
to get the better of Pantosa if he just does
his best.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
So what is his best strategy. We'll talk about Pantoja
in a sec but what is what is Kai cal
of Franz's best strategy for winning this fight?

Speaker 14 (01:55:33):
Well, I would say his hands. He has very heavy hands.

Speaker 30 (01:55:36):
He is one of the most prolific knockout artists of
the flyweight division, which is rare because he's.

Speaker 14 (01:55:41):
A little guys.

Speaker 30 (01:55:42):
No offense where you usually see you know, more movement,
being more agile, being more mobile with kais, those things
as well.

Speaker 14 (01:55:50):
But if he gets his hands on you, it can
be lights out very early.

Speaker 30 (01:55:53):
And you know a couple of his past opponents in
his last five fights have been victim to that. Whereas Pantosia,
he likes to you know pace himself a little bit more,
so I think that would work in Kai's favor, that
if he can get close enough to touch him, like
we saw improofed against Steve Uzig, it could be lights
out for Pantosa.

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
You're right, though, Rav, You know they're fifty seven kilos,
these guys. There's nothing to them, is there? You know
they are, But they're just just pocket rockets, aren't they.
What kind of fight do we normally get a in
a flyway battle? What can we expect when these two
hit the octagon?

Speaker 14 (01:56:27):
Well, I'm not sure if the fight's going to go
the whole five rounds.

Speaker 30 (01:56:30):
Alessandro Pantosa is a specialist of taking fighters into deep
waters in those five rounds.

Speaker 14 (01:56:35):
He's obviously the champion.

Speaker 30 (01:56:37):
This is his fourth title defense, so he is used
to fighting these five rounds. The opponents he comes up
against are only used to three, so he knows that
his advantage because his condition is to take them through
the five. So I'm thinking Kai might not want to
go that deep, but I think he has the tools
to do that if he needs to. Alexander Pantosa he
also gets touched a lot here. He's willing to take

(01:56:58):
hits to get inside to give them. So that's why
I feel that that works in kai Kut Francis favor
because he has very heavy hands. But at the same time,
Pantosa is very aware of this. Pantosa is very sturdy
on the ground as well. With Brazilian jiu jitsu. Doesn't
use it too often, but he may have to if
he feels the power of Kai Kutter France.

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
You forget that Kai Kutter France has been around for
a while too, you know, I think these two four
to twenty sixteen, that's going back a long way, and
I'm sure a lot has changed in nine years watching
him develop. You talked about his development as a human
being before, but what have you noticed from him in
his development as a fighter?

Speaker 4 (01:57:37):
Oh?

Speaker 30 (01:57:37):
Absolutely, his strength has gone tenfold. He is a much
stronger fighter than he was. When you think back to
twenty sixteen. You know, he was a young man, you know,
almost a child, you know, of sorts in terms of
his body, in terms of his growth maturity, both physically
and mentally. So now he's a man, very sure of himself,
very confident in his abilities, and with that has come

(01:58:00):
strength in those facets of you know, backing himself with
his hands. He's always had them, but now he knows
how to use them to the full. So I think
that's the difference, is that he's really matured both physically
and mentally.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
I can't wait to see this this afternoon. Carla France
against Pantoja. What are the other features of UFC three
one seven?

Speaker 30 (01:58:20):
Oh, you can't stare away from the main event. Charles
Olivera up against Ilya Taperia. Taperia's come up from the
lightweight from the featherweight division. Sorry, he was the champion
and now he's coming for the lightweight title. Charles Olivia
was a former champion and the belt is now vacant,
so it'll be interesting to see.

Speaker 14 (01:58:37):
Who walks away victorious. Will it be the old experienced
head of Charles Olivia or will it.

Speaker 30 (01:58:41):
Be the new generational fighter in Ilia Taperia find that
very very intriguing. There's also another flyweight fight on that card,
Brandon Rouval up against Joshua Van Brandon Rouval is the
number one seed in the flyweight division, and he told
us this week that he needs kai Carda France to
win this fight so that he can have another title
shot because Pantojo has beaten him in the past, so

(01:59:02):
there's a lot at stake in terms of the flyweight math,
what happens between Pantosia and kai Kater France as well.
So a few cool little things to look out.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
For, absolutely, and part of the week's activities inductions into
the UFC Hall of Fame, including a fighter pretty well
known to us.

Speaker 30 (01:59:19):
That's right, yep, asrall at this on you What a
bonus to be able to come over here and not
only watch you know, kai Kita France go to war today,
but to also watch israel A this on your you know,
his fight be inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame.
We of course got to catch up with him as well,
and in this typical fashion, we didn't really talk much
about him and his induction.

Speaker 14 (01:59:39):
You know, he's none the news for a little while now.

Speaker 30 (01:59:41):
I think the novelty maybe wore off a little bit
until he was up on stage with Calvin Gasoline, but
he just went on and on, you know, about the
pride that he has and kai Kuta France and the
you know, the true reason why he's here this weekend.
But that's just the reflection on this team on this
force that has come into Las Vegas.

Speaker 14 (01:59:57):
We look up at the billboards on the strip.

Speaker 30 (01:59:59):
We've got Kai kind of France on one side, and
we've got Israel at this on your Hall of Fame
on the other. I you know, never thought in a
million years on my first trip to Las Vegas Kili's
lighting up the Las Vegas Strip.

Speaker 14 (02:00:08):
But here we are, and it's a great thing to see.

Speaker 3 (02:00:11):
And did you think in a million years that you
would get to meet Shaquille O'Neil on the red carpet?

Speaker 14 (02:00:17):
Did that even happen?

Speaker 30 (02:00:19):
It still feels like a blur. He is absolutely hilarious though.
It was really cool, and we saw him walk at you.
I mean, you can't miss him. We see him walking
down the red carpet, you know, and we're like, oh,
we don't know if he's there for interviews because you know,
we're there for the fighters, or if he's going to
stop him and chat with us. And then you know,
when the media girl tapped me on the should oh
would you like to talk to check?

Speaker 14 (02:00:39):
And I'm like, oh my goodness, my heart dropped on
you know, I'm in a dress, I've got makeup on us.
Starts sweating.

Speaker 30 (02:00:45):
I just don't know what to do, don't know where
to look, and then there he was standing there right
beside me.

Speaker 14 (02:00:49):
I was like, okay, let's have a card at all,
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
Absolutely loved it, honestly, so authentic. It was just so
cool for you to get the chance to chat to
And that's the that's the benefit of being in Vegas.
You never know, never know who was going to turn up.
But you were three one seven on pay per view
on Sky from two o'clock this afternoon. Revender, your coverage
is absolutely superbos always appreciate you taking time to chat

(02:01:11):
to us this afternoon.

Speaker 14 (02:01:13):
Thank you so much. Enjoy the fights team.

Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
We definitely will Revender Hunia out of Las Vegas a
UFC three to one seven Best guests on when Chai
Cutter France will be in the octagon to face Alexander
Pantoja for the usc flyweight title is some time after four.
That's about us as exact as we can get at
the moment. You know what happens with these things. They

(02:01:36):
tend to get pushed back and it depends on how
long the undercard goes for et cetera. But sometime after four,
Ki Cutter France will be in the ring in the
octagon to take on Alexander Pantoja for the UFC Flyweight title.
Nine Away from three News Talks, heb.

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The scoons from the track, fields and the Court on
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Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
NB News Talks, ABN Weekend Sport two fifty four. The
show is just about add an end. Thank you to
everybody who entered our competition to win the Phoenix Wrexhom tickets.
All hep of texts came through. Producer Mark Kelly will
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you to arrange delivery of your double passes for the
Phoenix Wrecksom game on Saturday July nineteen at Sky Stadium.

(02:02:23):
Had a message through asking about the time of kickoff.
I hope it doesn't clash with the All Blacks. Thankfully
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the All Blacks underway at seven o'clock, so back to
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(02:03:06):
same afternoon, Tim Beverage is all set to go for
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for producing the show across the weekend. Ah, it's good
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English indie rock band raizor Light with probably their biggest

(02:03:30):
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See Tomorrow night on Sports Talk five.

Speaker 14 (02:03:36):
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