Full Show Podcast: 06 July 2025

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News Talks HEADB. Sunday July sixth, the day after the
first All Blacks test of the year. We're live in
a sunny but slightly chilly Dunedin again today. Unfortunately we're
not at Emerson's Pub as we were yesterday. What a
spot brilliant we're in the rather more sterile surroundings, you

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might say, of the News Talks ed B Dunedin studio
to unpack today what happened under the roof last night.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
And a so called second strength freak side has delivered
a first rate performance, but the All Blacks hang on
twin Test number one of twenty twenty five thirty one
twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
He job done, but plenty of work to do for
the All Blacks. Assistant coach Jason Holland is standing by
to chat with us. Former All Black and our expert
analysts in Gold sport and news talks headby commentary last
night Paul Miller. After one, we'll also hear the postmatch
thoughts and reflections of Cam Roy, guard Will Jordan and
debutans Fabian Holland and Duplasi Kadifi. But the thoughts I

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To know your blackness time. One of two tries for
will Jordan last night. One of four tries for the
All Blacks and they're thirty one twenty seven win over
France in Dunedin. Let's bring in All Blacks. Assistant coach
Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for joining us on Weekend Sport
this afternoon. Having given it the overnight test, how do
you evaluate the first performance of the year in general terms?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Ah yeah, look, obviously good to want to test pitch,
but we're you know, lots of lots of things where
we need to grow and we need to improve pretty quickly. Yeah,
we created a lot of opportunities and didn't finish a lot.
And you know, we probably would have liked to put
a bit more pressure on the French the French attack

(03:42):
as well and slow them down a little bit. So
there's a couple of key areas where we've tendified and
where we'll with a lot of work today on sending
our week up to make sure we get improvements this week.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
How do you set the week up to get those improvements?
Where do you place your specific focus?

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, look, we'll we'll spend a lot of a lot
of the morning getting through that as coaches. You know,
I think a lot of it will be around some
really really simple of the game. You know, again, we
did create quite a bit and just little errors that
vital time stopped us really putting the putting the foot
on the throat, so to speak, from attacking point of view.

(04:19):
And another obvious one that stand out at the moment
is just winning winning the battles around some of the
fifty fifty position, around some of the kick game. I reckon,
you know, the French probably won the year and won
the ground from the kick battle and got a lot
of position that way, which we we sort of would
love to get some more turnover and opportunities to play

(04:40):
from kicks. So yeah, a couple of things standing out
at the moment, but we'll have a really good.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Luck this morning that that kicking aspect you just talked
about there and contesting the high ball. Is that an
easy six?

Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yes, it's just time.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
It's a time and it's probably a little bit of
a little bit of mindset towards a lot. There was
a lot of bubble ball and scraps come from from
the contest last night. We know you when you play
the friend which they play, that's their style. They like
to you know, they kick a lot and they want
to play off the off the sort of scraps that
they get from their kicks. So there's a bit of
skill set of mindset and yeah, we all it's a

(05:18):
it's a big part of as I say, some of
those key possessions at key times that can really turn games.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
So we'll definitely put a lot of time into that.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
This week.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Three disallowed tries. What level of frustration did that bring?

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Oh yeah, obviously, Yeah, you know, you get excited about
you know, executing something really well and then it gets
turned over. But look, I think a lot of that
was within our within our grasp making sure we do
everything as well as we possibly can to take tmos
and referees out of the game. So yeah, well we'll
just look at our our little accuracies around those things

(05:53):
that stopped those things becoming an issue. So yeah, it's frustrating.

Speaker 8 (05:58):
But it's one of those things.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
And sometimes you get the fifty to fifty and sometimes
you don't, so you've got to make sure you know
everything and everything you can control.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
No issue with any of them.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Oh no, Look, I personally I think the last one
is was a real fifty fifty around that obstruction. It's
it's an interesting called that you know, get around of
real consistency around that one. But yeah, it's one of
those things you control your control in these short weeks.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
How much did the very very early loss of severa
Reese change the way you wanted to play?

Speaker 9 (06:32):
Yeah, it's not for Sieve.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
He's He's obviously had a pretty pretty good super and
training really well. I was excited about playing and you know,
got an unfortunate to the head there, So yeah, it
was unfortunate obviously trained trained all week or trained for
ten days in those spots, but obviously, yeah, we're well
prepared with we will have been able to go there
and then d make at the back. So yeah, feel

(06:54):
fill for Sieve, but you know those things happening and
the boys are under the slode.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Just on world Jordan. That's forty tries now in forty
two tests, and he could have had a hat trick
last night but for the the disallowing of his third try.
What makes them so effective as a constant try scoring threat, Yeah,
I think I.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Think we all see the pace he has and the
ability to beat defenders and kick and regather and all
those skills you have. But I think a lot of
it is understandable the game. You know, he knows where
to be and that's a real, real talent that some
players don't have. He just knows where to be and
where the ball is going to be, and you know
some of the tries and then you know the last

(07:36):
pass on a couple of tries. I think Jordie's passed
as well. So yeah, between him and him and Dmack
and Body, you know they're ready in the game well
and popping up whenever they see opportunities. So I think
it helps that you're blustering quick and you can finish things,
but his ability to his ability to see the game
really quickly really helps them, I belief.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, special player Jase, with a four point lead and
time running down, how confident were you in the defense
of resilience of your team to get the job done
at the end?

Speaker 10 (08:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Look, we put a bit of quite a bit of
time into how we close games out during the week,
and I think we had a hell of a lot
of position in that last twenty and obviously I would
have liked to have scored a few more points to
make it get outside that one score mark. But you know, defensively,
the boys are really stuck in, and you know there's
a bit of grip sharm. Even though we went overly

(08:26):
happy with the accuracy of a lot of things, there
was a lot of grip sharn to make sure we
got the results. So that was a positive bit.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Last team and your assessment of the positional tweaks you
made rica Yoani shifting out to the left wing to
provide into six.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Yeah, look, I think with troops is like he sees
a hell of an athlete, and I think we had
twenty lineouts last night, and I think it was twenty
from twenty, which obviously having a tall line out really
helps with the options around with the short line out,
so we're not or not. He really helped in that space,
and we'll get better and better in that space. And

(09:03):
you know, I think Rick said to me after I
forgot how much how.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
Much you know running there was when you play on
the wing, you're.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Going from side to side, you're in the backfield. So
you both of them will get get better for the
run and and and be better again next week. So
you know, it's good looking forward to then continuing in
those spaces.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
And for debutantes last night, including Duplas Kalifia, of course
you worked very closely with during your time at the Hurricanes.
How pleased were you for him to watch him make
a test table last night?

Speaker 11 (09:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Mate, Like Dups has worked really harder had his game
and in his understanding of the stuff. In the last
couple of years he's been he's really groand massively around.

Speaker 8 (09:43):
Being a smart player.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
You know, he was always unbelievable over the ball and
carries and those sorts of things. But he's worked really
hard at giving away penalties and making good decisions around
how he plays, and so really happy for him and
he's in a really good spot or he can play
some really greatfulty. But all three of the you know,
the three boys all outstanding and then that pack you know,
so not only your the bench but Fades and Christian

(10:08):
were in the outstand and lowing international footy players which
was great.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Just to finish, Jose to France, bring anything you didn't
expect them to or did they come as advertised?

Speaker 5 (10:19):
No, no, I so pretty much got what we expected.
As I said, spile of play was not playing in
their own half, kicking and wanting to live off the
scraps from the kicks and then being you know, wanting
to or broken play. They'll explode into things, Ben and
we knew they'd bring the grip they did around the
leaf from the County a D. So they'll get, they'll

(10:39):
get they'll improve as well obviously going forward and you
know it's set to set up for a big couple
of weeks.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yep, looking forward to Test two and Wellington. Thanks for
your time this afternoon, Jase really appreciate it. We'll see
you in Wellington. Thanks Fani, Thank you Jason Jason Holland,
assistant coach of the All Blacks. Your chance to react
to what you heard there or what you saw last night.
Twelve eighteen lines are open on our eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty I said yesterday, and this wasn't a
big revelation that the All Blacks are never perfect Test

(11:06):
one of any year, and they weren't last night. Far
from it. They turned the ball over sixteen times to
France's six. They were put under pressure under the high ball,
their own kicking and kick chase wasn't where they wanted
it to be, and they couldn't get far enough ahead
of France to put real pressure on them. Whenever the
All Black scored a try, France came back into it.

(11:27):
And Will Jordan summed it up pretty well. Afterwards. You
said you're happy when you score thirty one points, You're
not that happy when you concede twenty seven points. And
deep into the game France had the ball and the
All Blacks twenty two knowing that a try would have
won them the game. And that is a pertinent point. France,
this supposedly under strength, definitely an experience side could have

(11:51):
won that game as it was, the All Blacks defended
their line well, big tackle from Quintupire forcing a knock on.
It was followed by a strong scrum earning the All
Blacks of penalty from which they could close things out.
Like last year, they began with a win and often
that is the thing. The debutantes. Fabian Holland really really good,
big body, physical presence, good accuracy, huge work rate, seventeen tackles,

(12:16):
thirteen carries, He won all his lineouts and played a
full eighty minutes. We should probably wait until we start
comparing him to the likes of Brady Retallick, who he
is very much like by the way, but it is
an extremely promising start at his life in the Black Jersey.
Christian Leo, Willie Duplessi, Kadifi Olie Norris can also be
proud of their contributions on Test debut as well. Stand

(12:40):
outs for me well. Jordan obviously a bloke is just
unbelievable when it comes to try scoring and when opportunities
to score tries present themselves forty tries in forty two games.
He is well on track to go past Doug Hollitt's
or Blacks record of forty nine. He could even do

(13:02):
that this year. Ardie Savier typically relentless, and I thought
Cody Taylor had a superb game, didn't miss a jumper
with his line out, throws, combative in the physical exchanges
and showing out in the loose. He just continues Cody
Taylor to define what it means to be in all black.

(13:24):
The officiating, now, I don't want to dwell on this
too much, but three disallowed tries needs to be addressed.
The first one Jordy Barrett in the first half, no
worries without Fletcher, you'll knocks on in the builder. The
second one Billy Proctor are judged to have lost control
of the ball as he reaches out to ground it.
And the third one chalked off for obstruction. Now that

(13:45):
one for me is fifty to fifty at best. They
ruled that Vassily or Tossi prevented the French defender from
shuffling out one to make a potential tackle on Boat
and Barrett. Now, I've looked at this twenty times at
least this morning, and there's absolutely no certainty in my
mind that the defender would have bounced out and tackle

(14:07):
if Bassily or Tossi had run a different line. There
is very little in the way of protest from the
French players, and even when they put it up on
the big screen, referee Nick Berry and one of his assistants,
Christoph Ridley, had different interpretations of it. You could hear
them in the refs mic. Christoph Ridley says, look, I

(14:28):
think it's okay. Nick Berry says no, no, I'm going
to scrub that out. For all three decisions, though all
three that were overturned, nick Berry is right there. He's
a good referee. He's in good position, perfect position. He
sees the incidents close up in real time. He ruled

(14:51):
that Fletcher Yule's knock on went backwards. He awarded the
try to Billy Proctor, and in particular with the obstruction
one which is subjective rather than black and white like
a knock on or a grounding. He sees nothing wrong
in real time. It's only when he's alerted by TMO
Damon Murphy that he stops the game and revisits it.

(15:13):
For incidents like that, I honestly believe we have to
play on. Nick Berry has seen it, He's cleared it
play on because apart from denying the All Blacks a
try that no one today would have been arguing about.
Nobody would have been saying, I think busily a tossy
might have run a deference there. The secondary issue, and

(15:36):
perhaps the bigger one, is the stoppage and play from
the time Will Jordan puts the ball down until the
time play restarts, three minutes and ten seconds go by
three minutes and ten seconds without any actual rugby being played. Now,
those who prefer other codes will look at that and

(15:57):
again use it as a stick to beat rugby with.
There has to be a better way. Twelve twenty two
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Speaker 9 (16:16):
Yeah, I think that varies. The problem is he's probably
to me, he's probably one of the best referees in
the world, and mone I think he's fantastic. Yeah, as
far as the obstruction goes, I mean, you'd be panelizing
Island with every attacking, every attacking play they did. If
you're going to do that, then they just send players
forward into the into the defensive line all the time.
It's just ridiculous. And I mean, if you're going to

(16:38):
panelize when they score a try and not going to
panelize that every time that happens, I mean, you'd have
a game that lasted three hours, you know, because you're
just going up to the video ref and you know,
it's just just stupid to me. Binding I mean, if
it's a try on the field, give it a try,
and you know it's not going up upstairs for this
pedantic stuff that no one really knows the rules for.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, I get I get the mark, I get the
black and white stuff. I'm knock gone, I get that.
I totally at that Fletcher Newels one. But like I said,
Nick Berry's right there, He's so close to that, and
he calls it backwards you know on reflection, Yes, he
has knocked it on the grounding of the ball. Like
I've seen some varying views on this as well, But
there is, you know, in frame by frame separation, very

(17:24):
very brief separation between Billy Proctor's arm and the ball
as it hits the ground. But for the obstruction for
a fifty to fifty like that a subjective call if
he's seen it and cleared it, play on.

Speaker 9 (17:40):
Yeah, And I think there is a tendency at the
moment for video referees to go back several plays sometimes
and especially if it tries been scored. They're going back
a number of plays where you know the referees done that,
And I'm just wondering, is there an actual limit to
to sort of where you can sort of go back
to that's what yes, you go.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
No, there is. It is two phases and look, Fletcher
Newels knock on that Roy got picked it up from
the base of that of that ruck and made his
break and then past to Jordi Barrett's that's only one phase.
So yeah, they're quite within their rights to go back.

Speaker 9 (18:16):
Yeah, the a the aerial game has been I think
the All Blacks are probably one of the worst international
teams that I've seen in the air at the moment.
And because it's a big part of the game. I
can't understand why we haven't spent more time, whether we
need to get a specialist coaching from the I don't know,

(18:36):
the AFL or whatever. I mean. Jordy Barrett went over
there and had a look much time, but it didn't
seem to bring many of the skills back because we've
got some pretty good tool players in there, and yet
no one seems to be able to jump in the
air and catch a bloody ball. I mean, to me,
even if you're not going to kick the ball as much,
and I think the All Blacks looked a lot, a
bit a lot better when they didn't kick out. The

(18:58):
other team's going to be doing those box kicks all
day long and we're not winning in where near half
the ball half the time. I know you've sort of
critiqued this in your opening with Holland there, but to me,
we really need to address this bottlem because it's not
going to go away. And you know, you're really if
you're not winning winning fifty percent of those, you're really
having to make up ground else to win games.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think, yeah, look, I think they I actually thought
the All Blacks kicking was was you know, for the
most part, those box kicking, those contestable kicks. I think
the kick themselves. The kicks themselves last night from Roy
Guard and from Latima when he came on, Actually think
the kicks were okay. It was the contesting of the
kicks that that wasn't quite where it needed to be.

(19:44):
And then when France were kicking, You're dead right, Mark.
I think they contested brilliantly. They made it a they
made it a fifty to fifty and more often than
not last night they slapped it back on their side.
So you're absolutely right. There is work to do there.

Speaker 12 (19:57):
Yeah, I mean, I've seen Chester Colby win the ball.
I mean, he's a tiny little man, but he wins
more ball than I don't know Jeordie Barrett or I
don't know Rickolwany.

Speaker 9 (20:07):
Or something like that. There's something that's not being coached
in this in this team. And yeah, I mean, and
I also just want to give a shout out to
cam Rugan. I think he's been getting way better through
the Super RUGBYUS season and I thought he had a
great game last night, and I think he's just going
to get better that He's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Good man, Mark, great points, well made as always, eight
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two for your text messages. Gavin says, Jason absolutely love
my rugby and love the All Blacks even more, but
the TMO is just destroying the game. It makes you
wonder why we actually have a ref when the TMO
is running the game, And yeah, as I say, I

(20:47):
totally get why it was broad in and someone's made
the point, you know, when there's an obvious era that
has missed is the video ref. The TMO was set
up to spot the obvious things that the ref doesn't see,
and also to relitigate when there is a black and
white element grounding the ball, a knock on. These things

(21:08):
on replay are pretty much unequivocal most of the time.
But running obstruction, it's not one of those. It's not
so unless Nick Barry goes upstairs and asks for that,
which he didn't. Well, that's not the way it works.
It's the other way. The TMO comes down and says,
I think you might want to have a look at this.
In the case of the knock on, fine, in the

(21:30):
case of the grounding of the ball, I'm okay with that.
But in the case of obstruction, play on twelve twenty
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Speaker 2 (22:02):
Jordan's second try could have had three but for the
intervention of the TMO and the referee. Back to the
lines in a sec Gary says piney Angus Gardner refereed
the game this morning Argentina, England. The TMO wanted him
to go back and look at potential foul play. The
TMO wanted him to change his point of view, but
he and the other linesman said, that's not how we
see it. No penalty play on. There has to be

(22:23):
some common sense for the officials on the field and
sometimes tell the TMO to go away. Thanks Gerry, you
are very restrained in the way you said that. Appreciate
your text, mate, are your yes? Your text? Hello Martin
a mate?

Speaker 7 (22:37):
How are you blunny?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Very good Martin.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
Mate, Like say five to sixty seven years ago, there
is no way in how that I would like I
would miss an All Blacks game, you know, like I'd
be up at two three in the morning to go
and watch the play in the UK or Africa or whatever.
Now I may like it's really sad because I'm Rugby
through and through, but it doesn't matter anymore if I
miss it, because it just takes too long, the starting,

(23:02):
the stopping, all the time. The loss of the human era,
you know, like games will won and lost on an
eraby referee, and it's like it takes to humanity out
of the game. I understand these money and all that
sort of stuff involved, but aren't people allowed to make mistakes?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, players do, don't they Martin Players make mistakes and
we don't get the opportunity to overturn those. I know
it's probably a facetious argument, but yeah, there's a lot
to be said about about the humanness of sport. I mean, yeah,
it gets us talking, doesn't it. And now we're talking
about the fact that we're you know, we're relitigating things
in forensic detail.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
May I go back and I watch Club Rugby. Now
it's like I'd rather go to a game of Club Rugby,
an eighty minute game. You get your five minutes for halftime.
Most of the games take eighty five ninety minutes. A
test mess these days has taken nearly two hours.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, well, like I said this morning, Yeah, I checked
on that will Jordan one and yeah, from the moment
he put the ball down until the moment they restarted. Yeah,
three three minutes doesn't sound like a lot, but it
is actually a lot. Three minutes of inactivity. I mean
that NURL fans would laugh at you.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
Wait anyhow, the balls and play, it'd have to say,
for a seventy five minutes of an eighty five minute game,
and the only time that they ever go to upstairs
is usually for a try. Is it a try or not?

Speaker 6 (24:23):
You know?

Speaker 7 (24:24):
And that is it just that? And it's like, you know,
it's a more endurable spectacle because the game, you know,
is going to take eighty minutes.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I hope you can stick with it, Martin. I would
hate to lose you, a lifelong Rugby fan, to the game.
I know you've got your club stuff. I would hate
to lose you to the game. Mates. Stick with us.
Let's hope that we can. We can affect some change
in this way. I honestly feel like it has to
be the direction of the communication has to be the
other way. In some cases, you can't just have the

(24:57):
TMO saying hey mate, look at this, Hey mate, look
at this. Although I know, of course I know that
that is what they're set up for. They have the replace,
they can look at it. They can say, hey, shivsh
might have got that one wrong. I don't know. It's
the same as var and football. You know when it's
obvious when the ball is over the line or not

(25:18):
over the line, the same as in tennis. Tennis have
got it perfect right, and I know there's no push
and shoven tennis, but they use hawkeye or whatever they
call it now to determine whether a ball is in
or out, and rugby you can determine most of the
time whether a ball has been forced, whether someone's got
their foot in touch before they've grounded the ball for

(25:40):
a try. Knock Ons are pretty easy to navigate in
a var or TMO sense. But that obstruction. You can't
tell me that there is anything other than a fifty
to fifty element to Pasiliotossi's run last night. Like I say,
a good indication is that there was absolutely not a
word of protest from the French normally when someone rubs destruction,

(26:02):
you know they're all putting their arms up AA's in
our ways, obstructing not a single bit of it. And
Nick Berry's got a great view of it anyway. Laboring
the point, Martin good to chat.

Speaker 13 (26:13):
Hello Phil, Hey, Piney, feel good?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I think so?

Speaker 14 (26:18):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yes, well I'm in Dunedin and I love it here.

Speaker 13 (26:20):
Yes, just not back in the pub unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
No, only so many of those weekend do although it
was a lot of fun.

Speaker 13 (26:29):
I was going to say, it's give him to be
a habit down in christ It's then on to Dunedin.

Speaker 15 (26:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well yeah, well I'm meeting back up home next week,
so I'm not sure where we'll end up.

Speaker 11 (26:38):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
What did you make of last night?

Speaker 13 (26:40):
Well, I'm highly disappointed, Piney. I'm I'm first off, because
I actually thought I'm going to do something pretty I'm
going to take a bit of a punt here and
believe it or not, I actually went and put a
bet on for the French to win ten and under
and right up until five minutes to go, two minutes

(27:01):
to go, and that big fellow dropped the ball. We're
going to get knocked out of that techui, I though, well, jeez,
I'm looking pretty good here. But I wanted the All
Blacks to win. Don't get me wrong, but I just thought, yeah, sometimes,
you know, because everybody was saying, how the B side
are going to get thirty points put on them, they're
going to get whipped, and you know, their and their

(27:23):
easy beats and this sort of thing. And I don't
know if you remembered I rung your yesterday and said, well,
I wouldn't be so sub I'm not so sure. You know,
the French, they won't be bringing hat players over and
they'll be better than people people estimate, I think, And
that basically turned out the way. I know that the

(27:45):
All Blacks, you know, was a bit scratchy at times,
and that with the first run of the season and
that sort of thing, and they'll get better and that.
But yeah, I just think people are underestimated the French
because they thought they were this useless B side and
most of the best players were at home, so they
weren't going to put up much of a fight. But
I've been watching rugby all my life and I know
when it comes to French, no matter who they send over,

(28:08):
they you know, they'll give you a game. But my
outstanding players, so many of them. Like cam Roygard last
night I thought was brilliant. D mat caused him a
lot of trouble. He was fantastic. Will Jordan was great.
He was fantastic as well. The big guy Fabian solid debut,
great debut and he's only going to get better. Willy

(28:30):
Oh was brilliant at number eight. Ardie Severe again just
brilliant at number seven.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Funny thought it. You know, all these names you're reeling
off having great games, and you know, I think you're right.
They all played well, and yet here we are talking
about a French side, and as you've outlined it was,
it was one that was widely written off, you know,
a French side. They got within four points of us
and could have won the game. They were down our
ends with two or three minutes to go, and but

(28:58):
for that tackle from Quintupira and then the scrum penalty
that followed. You know, they were knocking on the door, man,
they were knocking on the door.

Speaker 11 (29:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
The decision to to take the penalty that took it
out to thirty one twenty seven I think was a
good one in hindsight because what it meant I guess
was when France were attacking at that time. You know,
we were able to be a little bit more cavalier
because we knew if we gave away a penalty three
wouldn't have been enough. But as it was, we were

(29:27):
quite disciplined anyway. But yeah, I mean, yeah, it's called
emotional insurance. I think betting on the other team. Film
good to chatty as always mate. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty tmo's at distraction says this one. We
were poor in the air, our back line barely functioned.
We struggled at the breakdown and very rarely made it
over the game line. Most concerning, we conceded twenty seven

(29:49):
points against a supposed French beat team. Look, I don't
think anybody's shoying away from any of that. I think,
you know, listening to Jason Holland and I've heard some
audio today from Jason Ryan and other assistant coach there,
they're totally you know, front footing the fact that they
were nothing close to what they want want to be.
It is only the first test of the year, but
work ons there are plenty, There are plenty of things

(30:12):
to work on under the high ball their their kick
chase turnovers. Like I say, the stats will tell you
sixteen turnovers for the All Blacks, only six by France.
OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two.
On text, we'll take a quick break, come back with
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Speaker 2 (30:54):
B seventeen to one. Tony asks Jason, you're still holding
onto your prediction that the French won't win any game
here on this tour. I believe they're going to be
more of a challenge than what we would like to
credit them for. Most of the French debutants have been
part of the winning the twenties team over the years,
so they can definitely play Tony, I am holding onto
that prediction. I kind of feel as though their best
chance to win was probably last night so yes, I

(31:17):
am sticking with that prediction. It's not particularly bold, I know,
but no, I still expect the All Blacks to sweep
at three nil. Hello, Mark, good.

Speaker 16 (31:26):
After knowing buddy, I didn't hear who was the player
of the match, and I know who your who you
think it was, because I've got mine.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Okay, Well, I didn't hear who it was officially either.
Somebody will let us know. Why don't you tell me
yours and then I'll tell you mine.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Mine's the French fullback.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Okay, yep, mine, mine's Cody Taylor.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
He would have been my number two, I think, yep, yeah,
and I.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Think I mean, I mean, I mean Mark.

Speaker 11 (32:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
The point you make, obviously indirectly, is that France were good.
They were good, They had some good They've got some
good players.

Speaker 8 (32:07):
They certainly do.

Speaker 16 (32:08):
And he didn't do a thing wrong last night. The
French fullback, he'd probably saved a crucial try when he
after the kick was made and he had the two
All Blacks coming down on him and went on to
that ball and they got the ball back.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yep. No, look, a lot of what France did was good.
I don't you know much as we you know, obviously
on this show and in this country, we talked mainly
about our team. I think we're big enough to give
credit to them. Of course we are. And I didn't
see anybody last night from the All Blacks environment, None
of the players and of the coaching staff. Nobody was
saying anything other than that France came as advertised and

(32:47):
gave them a heck of a game. You know that
all the talk of disrespect during the week, none of
that came from inside the All Blacks camp. And Jason
Ryan was at the airport earlier doing some media and
he said that actually it wasn't very helpful to them
that this French team was widely written on. That's the
sort of thing that teams hear about and use as fuel.

(33:11):
But the fact remains it isn't a full strength France side.
We would love to see France send their absolute top side,
absolute top side, but that isn't what this is. And
you know, I guess we all make our own assumptions
about what they're going to be like last night, they

(33:32):
were good. Will they be the same next week now
that the All Blacks have had a look at them
and another week together to work on what they want
to be about. Look ill, there's not going to be
much this week that changes my mind. The All Blacks
will win this series three nil. It's just how convincing
are the margins and how convincing are the performances. Ian Hello, Hello, honey,

(33:54):
good afternoon.

Speaker 15 (33:55):
How are you Ian?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I'm great? Thanks you sounding chipp u?

Speaker 6 (33:59):
Yeah, no good. Enjoyed the game thoroughly last night, but
they were one of two concerns that we've seen over
the last two or three seasons and meton bolts and
box kicking, and right from the beginning of play, and
then at half time after halftime when Cortes came on,

(34:19):
his first action once again was box kicking. We are
not getting a reward that we should be getting from it.
It's a fifty to fifty and when we're doing it
between our twenty two and they're twenty two, we are
only putting pressure on ourselves if we're not getting our
share of it.

Speaker 13 (34:38):
More.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's all about the contest, I think, Ian, isn't it?
And like I said, I was watching the box kicks
with great interest last night, much as I'm not a
huge fan of them. But while they're a part of
the All Blacks tactical plan. You've got to have a
look at them. I thought the kicks themselves were better
last night from Roy Guard and from Lata Mom when
he came on. They were more heights rather than length,

(35:01):
if you know what I mean. So it gives the
chaser more chance to contest. But I started, I think
we contested them very well.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
We did not We did not know.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
And one other thing.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
One of the days when we used to be using
those beautiful Wapers kicks into their twenty two put pressure
on their lineouts and.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
We're away.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
We're miles away from having de feed our line said.
It almost scenes is that the all backs aren't the
theending more than they're attacking.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
And some good points. The box kick always comes up
whenever we talk rugby, and I saw a couple of
weeks ago Wayne Smith saying he banned it from a
couple of teams he was involved in. He absolutely hates
the box kick. The intent, as I think we all understand,
it is usually from a position in your own half,
and it's very rare to box kick from the other

(35:59):
team's half. From in your own half. You're giving yourself
that fifty to fifty chance to to win possession back,
and that's what it is.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Really.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's a bit of a free for all when you
kick it forward. As long as you've got your runners contesting,
then you give yourself a fifty to fifty chance. Like
I say, I thought the kicks last night were better.
Frances were very good and they competed, whereas the All
Blacks didn't do that quite so well. So the aerial
part of the game was certainly won by France last night.

(36:31):
Definitely a work on. As Jason Holland said earlier, good
to chatty and thanks for your call mate, Richard.

Speaker 10 (36:36):
Hellope, good mate, how are you?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, very good Richard.

Speaker 17 (36:41):
Just a couple of quick points. One. I thought the
experiment was too puvis on the flank. I really liked it,
as they say in the Navy. I liked the cut
of his jib there, and he said they had a
really high work rate around the field. I thought, probably
a nice point of difference there. The other thing is,
I think, you know, I don't know what's wrong with

(37:02):
the All Blacks, but it's the same problem as sort
of like a rush defense. We have not mastered how
to get round it, and everybody bloody uses it. Against
just because they know we're crap in it. So they've
got to work, whether our box kicking or just putting
it down into their twenty two and taking the line
out or something. But we need to be able to
change it up and we just don't seem to do

(37:23):
it in those games. And I really don't know why,
but that was just my worktop. I think we'll win
off everything else, okay, but that was a very useful
side there. Reminded me of the Baby Blacks when they
went and paid France.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Indeed.

Speaker 15 (37:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
The point about too, Paul Vite's really interesting, Richard. You
know that was the big selection surprise, wasn't it. You know,
moving Reco out to the wing. I guess was as well.
But yeah, Toopaul vi who's played very really at number
six for either the Chiefs or the All Blacks. Yeah,
I thought it was good too. And what it also did,
I saw the stat the All Blacks one twenty out
of twenty lineouts last night. Probably helps when he got
three locks, you know, plus Christian Leo Willie who's a

(38:03):
good line out jumper as well, so it's the lineout.
But I thought he brought real physicality to porvait the
to the game. I think he's definitely a live option
moving forward in that six jumper.

Speaker 18 (38:13):
Yeah, i'd like to see him stay there. I thought,
you know, out of all of our efforts, he's the
one that's really stood up and made, you know, a
big difference there. And again he said, well with the
line out steps, why the hell weren't they changing the
game on the field and saying well, let's put it
in the corner and try and disrupt theirs. And you know,
all we could do was win one off off the

(38:34):
top of the ears, but we didn't seem to bother
doing it. You know, just just amuses me with ticklers
in that sort of defense.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, nothing nothing wrong with being a bit amused on
a Sunday, Richard. Good to chat to you, mate, Thanks
for calling it okay, all the best. Eight hundred and
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Speaker 1 (38:59):
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Speaker 2 (39:06):
Talk to me coming up five to one, can I Mike? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (39:11):
Hi, Paroney?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
How are you good things? Mate?

Speaker 15 (39:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (39:14):
Good, good yeah, I'm I haven't followed much rugby in
my lifetime, but I thoroughly enjoyed that game. Just a
couple of things I think, Well, I think the TMO
really does a good job and keeps the game honest. However,
if I was looking at the right play there the
was it a for all blacks forward? He already had momentum?

Speaker 15 (39:36):
When was he was?

Speaker 19 (39:38):
He ran into the and pushed the French player. Is
that what I was looking at?

Speaker 15 (39:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
The obstruction for the last one, yeah, pussis. Yeah, he
comes into the line, he doesn't get the pass, he's running,
he's a nummy runner basically, and then runs into an
opposition defender. And the ruling is that by doing that,
he stopped that defender from bouncing out one and making
a possible tackle on Boat and Barrett, which there is
an absolutely no guarantee he would have done.

Speaker 19 (40:04):
In my mind, yeah, that's doubtful because he already had momentum.
So I mean, if you did it from a standing point,
sure he's guilty. But when he's already, how's he going
to stop himself from doing that? So yeah, that would
I would, I would be critical of that. But the
only or the other TMO were the proctors. Yeah, I
saw that straight away on the replay.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
That was definitely a lost.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Lost ball.

Speaker 19 (40:27):
But yeah no, like I said just before, I think
the line out skills were absolutely exceptional from the All Blacks.
If I was going to be talking to Raza about
what they needed, what they need to improve on after
last night's game, that it would be basic ball handling, mistakes,

(40:48):
fumbling and knocking on. There's a lot of drop ball
and things. But ten minutes before the game they throw
up the stats for the tackles and I think you
definitely have to give the the Defense prize to the French.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Mike. Sorry, mate, Yes I've got to go mate, we're
heard up against the new But yeah, good points, well
made and absolutely a work on And Razer said that
last night, just those little errors they'll work on during
the week. More on the rug B after one.

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Speaker 2 (41:30):
TALKSB and Weekend Sport coming up one O seven. Thanks
for listening in, Thanks for joining us, Thanks for staying
with us. I'm Jason Pine coming to your life from
Dunedin today, where it's dawned beautifully fine one. I've been
out one o'clock in the afternoon, so I probably shouldn't
be talking about the dawn anymore, but it is a
lovely day here in Dunedin. Off the back of an
intriguing Test match last night, Paul Miller was providing expert

(41:53):
comments for us. He's standing by for a chat. Couple
of texts here which caught my eye during the news break, Piney,
I thought last night was a typical first up test,
a French team that was seemingly underrated and an All
Blacks team without time to perfect things, and it's clear
a few of us picked a very close game. Other
than that, I see things a little differently to others.
I thought defensively we were okay, but there seems to

(42:16):
be a philosophy of throw the ball from everywhere, almost
helter skelter, without having control up front. We need control first,
but we went as individuals and with the attempt to
offload to play free flowing footy under pressure, we weren't
adept enough. Control delivery creates space and hang on to
the ball rarely there is so much to address after
last night, it could take your whole show. Thank you, Phil,

(42:39):
thank you very much. Indeed, one from Shares thought Christian
Leo Willie went well on debut. I agree, Shaz thought
he had a good gain and Roygart unbelievable. Piney, I
actually don't know why you sub them. Explain to me
why they do that. I can't, muss, I can't explain
why they do that. It's just something that continues to
amuse me. I thought Cortez did well when he came on.

(42:59):
But yeah, the replacing of a of a half back
in a hooker seems to be compulsory these days. Thought
Cam roy Gard and Cody Taylor were two of our
better players last night. They have the numbers, though, don't they.
They keep their eyes on the GPS, so maybe there
was something in that that they saw. Thank you for
your texts. Nine two ninety two lines open on eight
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(43:20):
past one.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
All right, Billy Proctor at the bean popped up, well, Jordan,
let's get bath for Jorddy Barrett wasn't how gin tup
goes again?

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Try right wing corner.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Jordy Barren.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, that was Jordy Barrett, who had a try chalked
off earlier on for the knock on by Fitch and you'r,
but did get himself won one of four tries that
the All Black scored last night. Former Allacs number eight
Paul Miller provided expert comments for us in our call
last night, and he joins us on Weekend Sport. Paul,
great to see you last night, and great Davy on

(43:52):
the show today. In general terms, first of all, before
we talk some specifics, how how should All Blacks fans
be feeling today about last night?

Speaker 20 (44:01):
Well, I think hey, Fidi and ye, good afternoon. But
I think as fans they shouldn't feel too overly disappointed
this French team, even though it was stipulated that, yes,
it was predominably their B side. However, the French flair,
the instinctiveness of the players, the level of their competition,

(44:23):
they were always going to challenge the All Blacks. And
you touched on it initially. Yep, yes, All Blacks were
rusty in that first twenty. But I heard a comment
from Jason Ryan, like, you know, if it was a
blowout score, there wouldn't be much to work on, and
they would have missed those crucial things that they definitely
needed to work on from last night's game, and that's
particularly around their ruck time, defensive systems, and the obvious

(44:46):
one is the kickchase. So yeah, it's a building momentum
towards the series. And like yourself, Pinety, I believe that
the All Blacks will be a lot better come the
second test in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Let's talk about the kick chase. How do you fix
the issues around that that happened last night?

Speaker 20 (45:09):
I think part of the problem is that the over
commitment they have in the actual rocky area around that
twenty two from a lineout or from a broken play,
it defies the ability for the runners to get up
and actually nominate to go up and.

Speaker 15 (45:25):
Compete for the ball.

Speaker 20 (45:28):
Last night there really only had two nominated sort of
players that was I think it was Will Jordan most
of the time. Jordy Barrett obviously got up there, but
they didn't really have a second wave of runners coming
back to actually compete. And that France's strength is that instinctiveness.
They love to play on that scrappy fifty to fifty ball.
So for my mind, the next test, they need to

(45:49):
have an allocation of three players who are going to
be nominated to actually get up. Maybe a couple run
past the ball and one actually goes up. Other than that, John,
pretty sure Jordi Barrett can boot that ball about eighty meters,
so why not get him in the pocket and just
hoof that ball down in the territory.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Ye, it's a good point. And yeah, the contestable nature
of the box kick obviously means that you are and
you know you're on the risk of not getting the
ball back, and that happened more often than not. I
thought France's kickchase was good though, Paul, did.

Speaker 20 (46:19):
You Yes, a lot more structured.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (46:23):
I don't know too much around the competition over in France,
but I guess so they're probably an English stule that
they do kick a lot over there in Europe, So
obviously it's a skill in breda in to them, probably
when they're growing up through the ages too, So yeah,
they probably have a bit more ability and skill leven
in terms of that kickchase. You know, us Kiwis, we

(46:43):
love to run with the ball and we love to
sort of try and open up teams with the ability
with the with the ball in hand, speed of the
ball as well. Obviously the ball beats man all the time,
so kicking for for us is probably still have a
new idea. However, I think there was an exceptional coach
called mc barron back you back a few years ago
which he sort of embedded that a f L tactic

(47:05):
going up for the high all that sort of thing.
So maybe they need someone like that to come back
in possibly, and you.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Means also some improvements needed at ruck time. What did
you see there last night?

Speaker 20 (47:18):
A bit of a mess.

Speaker 9 (47:21):
It's a fifty to fifty call whether.

Speaker 20 (47:23):
Or not Sabian Holland. I be he had a massive game,
and I don't want to be too critical or critical. However,
when he's a physically dominant man and I feel like
he should really be powering those legs he's a big
man and just staying on his feet a bit more.
He I think he sacrifices his body too quickly. But
that might be a play for the all backs to

(47:44):
get that ball back quick at rucktime, so they need
to tidy up the latcher and they actual clean out.
I thought cam Roy guard, while you know he had
an immense game, he still had a bit to do,
and he kept the defense guessing with his ball running
ability from the back of the ruck taking two or
three steps which keep that French defense guessing. But rucktime,

(48:04):
they just probably need to be identifying to be a
bit more accurate around that cleanout area.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
What did you make of two Paul VA's performance at blindside, Well,
he moved into lock, didn't he But during his time
as a blindside flanker last night, what did you make
of his performance?

Speaker 20 (48:19):
Hard working, physical and exceptional in the lineout. I mean
it's already been touched on having the three locks supposedly
in that line out. Hence while they won twenty lineout
so and didn't lose one. So yeah, he was very
hard walking, he gave that physical edge, big tall, physical
player and from my mind he's probably he probably needs

(48:39):
a bit more time in that saddle to sort of
gain that more experience and at exposure at blindside flanker
and obviously the all black sea him as a bit
of a utility, but probably looking at him more of
the blindside. But it's great having a semipenny female on
the bench as well to come in and.

Speaker 21 (48:56):
Fill that void.

Speaker 20 (48:57):
So obviously that might happen with Scott Barrett under a
bit of an injury cloud for next week.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, killies by the sounds of it, So we'll keep
an eye on that. And speaking of injuries, what a
shame for severus, What fifty seven seconds into a Test
match and you get your head in the wrong place
and all of a sudden your knight's over.

Speaker 20 (49:16):
Yeah. Quite quite a contrast player to ricca Oani, Whereas
Rico obviously loves that space and open territory in front
of him, where Sevu actually goes hunting for work. And
they probably missed that work rate of Sevu reesa around
that rocky area just to take that pressure off some
of the forwards. We're doing a lot of running a
lot of direct hits into that French that that staff

(49:37):
French defense there. So they missed that work rate off
Sevu reese his ability to sort of beat that first
then Allah like Will Jordan's particularly, but yeah, they definitely
missed that work rate of Sevu.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I think we can all agree that the All Blacks
can and probably will improve. What about France, Paul, do
you think they've got another gear?

Speaker 20 (49:58):
Look France like they love unstructured play and that was
them to a t last night. And you know, you
give a team a bit of an edge and they'll
take it. And yeh, from my mind, it was the
impact of the four I can't remember the four big
French forwards that came on. I think it was probably
ten minutes into that second half they actually had they

(50:18):
scored not long after that. Big guys and big just
big physical stature and you know, similar to what the
South African do with the bomb squad, it takes you know,
a bit more energy sapping for the defensive side like
the All Blacks here to take them down. So like
that's a really crucial tactic for them to keep that.

(50:40):
So it's you know, I think they probably looked at
things where the All backs a week just holding onto
the ball a bit more than just trying to expose
a bit more over commitment from the All Blacks, which
were they're doing too much into that rux. Hence why
they sort of open up a bit around that sort
of midfield area. So yeah, France will be they'll be

(51:01):
smarting for those weaknesses of the All Blacks sort of
displayed last night.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Indeed, I think intriguing series. I still expect that the
all Blacks will, as I say, improve and do better
next week in Wellington and then in Hamilton as well.
What do you think they'll do selection wise? Scott Robertson
has said he wants everybody to get a game. We
know Seva Roof can't play next week. As you say,
there's an injury concern over Scott Barrett, so they might
have their hand forced in some ways the likes of

(51:27):
Tamothi tavatov naw I When, when and how might he
get his debut in the next two weekends.

Speaker 20 (51:33):
Well, I definitely I think they missed a bit of
edge on that midfield.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
No disrespect to Rearly properer there, but they.

Speaker 20 (51:39):
Definitely miss someone that was sort of hard running. Jordan
Barrett didn't really do too well. He played really well,
but they missed someone just just running hard off the
set piece, the line or the scrum which Tathertova. Now
I can get that initial impetus over that game line
and from my mind, I think we might see him
either in the reserves or it's not starting next week's

(52:00):
tethertother now, I just just to create that impact there.

Speaker 15 (52:04):
Quinti Pie as well.

Speaker 20 (52:05):
You know, great turnover great tackle. I think that was
probably a game winning tackle that he did on that
big French, locking that ball out of his arms there
so quite fortuously. So yeah, he will also play himself,
either obviously of the reserves or starting as well. But
I think tryed and true. I think because of the

(52:26):
way the forwards went, I don't think we'll see too
many changes in that area, but probably you know, are
we one or two changes maybe in that back line?

Speaker 2 (52:35):
All right? And just before you go, you and I
spoke about this, I think on air end off here yesterday,
and that's the continuation of Test matches in Dunedin. For me,
it's a no brainer. You play a Test here every
year in July under a roof, as you do in
christ What feeling do you get though about the future
of Test rugby in Dunedin? Are we going to have
one every year? Is that you feel about it or not?

Speaker 20 (52:57):
Well, it's on rocky ground and you know, I actually
got to walk back where a part mcard lot probably
about half an hour and Steve vibe of the of
the crowd, French mixing in with the locals of the
of the Dunedin Knights and obviously all around from New Zealand.
It's just a fantastic atmosphere and you know it just
sort of brings everyone up a bit of joy in

(53:18):
that so yeah, so I hope the Union or whoever
makes those decisions definitely keeps the needing in mind for
at least one test match a year. And you know
what better time to have it in the year in
July cut the coldest part of coldest time in New Zealand,
so you know what better way to have it under
a roof? And I do hope you know obviously with
christ which you'll start to get their come April next year.

Speaker 19 (53:39):
So but look, it would be.

Speaker 20 (53:42):
Very detrimental for the local community of Dunedin Otago Southern
Region if these tests stopped going ahead.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, no brainer for me, mate, No brainer for me.
Awesome to work alongside you again last night, Paul. Great
to see you. Thanks for your time this afternoon as well,
and we'll see you next year for a test mention I'm.

Speaker 20 (53:59):
Sure I hope so their Thanks Piney, Thanks very much,
Take care mate.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
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and our expert comments man alongside Elliott Smith last night
and our commentary on News Talks head be of the
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It's twenty past one on the dot. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is our number.

Speaker 9 (54:35):
Hello, Dallas, Hi, Barny.

Speaker 22 (54:39):
Just to go back to your opening remarks, your opening
remarks about you know all these delays. The problem is
when your team scores a try nowadays, you can't celebrate
because there's almost with all this doubt that it's a
try until it's cleared from upstairs sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
It's like VAR and football, Dallas, It's like VR and football.
They say exactly the same thing. You know what football
is like when a goal is scored. There's an explosion
of joy, but now it's tinged with doubt. Is VA
are going to chalk it off?

Speaker 22 (55:13):
Yeah, so we have to address these things like, and
my principle, if I was refereeing, I'd favor the attacking
team if there's a fifty fifty. So, for instance, the
disposed knock on over the goal line, was at any
point was there contact between his hand and the boar

(55:36):
in the ground, like, regardless of whether he loses control after,
there's this contact on the ground. To me, that's give
that a try, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I do. I think there's you know, in a
frame by frame situation, Dellas, which you know, again there's
an argument to say that we shouldn't be doing this anyway,
But in a frame by frame situation, you can see
separation between Billy Proctor's the ball's kind of gone up
out of his palm up around his forearm, and you
can see separation on one or two of those frames.

(56:10):
So theoretically, yes, he has lost control of the ball,
it shouldn't be a try. But I'm telling you nick
Berry was right there, right there, as close as he
could possibly be, and he's called it a try. The
one with the obstruction is the one for me, And
I absolutely agree with you that the benefit of the
doubt has to go to the attacking side because Otherwise,

(56:33):
what are we doing. Don't we want people to turn
up to watch tries being scored.

Speaker 22 (56:38):
Exactly, and unless it's a blatant like a gride, you know,
someone taken out like American football or something. Unless it's
a blatant yeah, okay, if it's blatant yet, sure, But
we used to call the shepherding. You know, we just
sort of you have dummy runners. You know, you have
some dummy runners, and they're just trying to deceive the defense. Right,

(57:04):
it's not too much block, but trying to deceive the defense.
And what's wrong with that?

Speaker 9 (57:10):
I agree we should favor the.

Speaker 22 (57:13):
Attacking side, and that in that case is where it's
fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
You know, you've got a fan and me Dallas from
that point of view. Thanks mate, I appreciate you holding
on and coming on out. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is our number. At the risk of repeating
myself that the unequivocal stuff no problem really, you know,
much as I said that nick Berry was in good
position and you know, perhaps could have awarded the Billy

(57:38):
proc to try. He did award it. And it took
a frame by frame analysis to find out that it
had separated very, very briefly from his hand. But the
obstruction one that isn't a forensic analysis situation. That is
totally totally subjective, and he saw it the first time.
One of the top referees in the world, Nick Berry,

(58:00):
saw it in real time and said, there's nothing to
see here. And even when it got through on back down,
his assistant referee, Christophe Ridley, another one of the world's
top officials, said no, no, I think it's okay. Nick
Berry disagreed. So the very fact that two officials in
the same game disagreed surely shows us that there's a

(58:23):
doubt there, and the benefit of that doubt has to
go to the attacking side. Otherwise, what are we doing?
One twenty three News Talks biggest spare line for the
first time this afternoon eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine two nine two. If you would like to send
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Some basketball, rugby league and American sport coming up as well,
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(58:43):
black rugby. Anything you saw last night you want to
pick up on. We'll get some more calls on the
air in just a Moment one twenty four.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
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Speaker 2 (59:00):
News Talks av and Weekends for one twenty seven talking
Rugby Today, Wayne, Jason, how you're doing? But very good wine,
very good mate. What's on your mind?

Speaker 9 (59:10):
Hey?

Speaker 21 (59:10):
Look, pussy, I love your show, but I think you
do a great job and your enthusiasm for sports and fixtures.
So well done to you and your team.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 21 (59:17):
What I wanted to what I wanted to put out
there was I just love the captain's call scenario. You know,
it takes the TMO out of the game. It's it's
bad that it's a talking point for us, and you know,
give the captain if known as Jacks and let the
bloody game flow. You know, I just don't I don't
get this. I don't get the pair of the tmo's
head over us.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
All.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I like the captain's call idea as well. Wayne. They
have it in league obviously, don't they. And what do
you get one a game? But if it's successful, you'll
retain it?

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (59:43):
That I think.

Speaker 21 (59:44):
I don't know, I don't really know, but you know,
just we'll just limit the stoppages and and last night
I don't think anyone was going to complain about any
of them. So anyway, there's no I totally considerate.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, the obstruction one in particular, and you know, there
was no protest from that, There was no protest from
the French side at all. Normally if there's blatant obstruction,
you know, and particularly the French, not to cast dispersions
on their emotions, but they would have been up in
arms about it, you know. Not a not a murmur,
not a murmur.

Speaker 21 (01:00:14):
Yeah, exactly. Now I just wanted to go. I just
I just love that idea. But then might we'll get there,
hopefully we will.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
One good to jettm mate. Thanks for calling. Call back anytime.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Cornelius, Hello, Hello, I.

Speaker 23 (01:00:27):
Enjoy your show. By the way, I listened to it
quite regularly when I'm on the way to the gym. Now,
I was just having to be listening. I turned it
on just before as I'm driving to the gym, and
I couldn't help but not I remember a point a
detailed point about the laws to do with some Billy
Proptor's try when the.

Speaker 24 (01:00:44):
Ball left his arm and you.

Speaker 23 (01:00:46):
Can see the separation. Indeed, the couple of the frames
showed I watched him, by the way, on movie size screens,
I get to see it in real reality, truth, right,
and then the ball then he manages to press the
ball down with his hand after immediately after, well, how
come that was called a knock on when it's not
called a knock on in general play when you receive

(01:01:07):
a ball, saying this happens quite regularly. It happened in
the during the game last night too. When a person
receives the ball from a pass and they stumble it
in the pass in the air and they managed to
regather it, it's not called a knock on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, it's not a knock on. That's the rule. If
you regather it yourself, that's if you take two or
three goes at getting it, that's not a knock on.
I guess the difference the difference here is that, Yeah,
difference here is that he he lo well, and the
as I heard Nick Berry explaining it to everybody afterwards
through the refs, Mike Cornelius, he said, if he's got
it in his hand, he has to control it in

(01:01:43):
his hands. He can't force it with his forearm. That
that's the explanation as he as he said it.

Speaker 23 (01:01:50):
But how come it still can be a try. I've
seen the tries being scored when the weight of the
body is on the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yep, it's the separation, is the thing. There was there was,
you know, And once again it took it took some
forensic analysis like CSI, but there was separation between so
the ball. At one stage they deemed he had lost control.
And yet I know what you're saying, but you can't
relate it to general play because the ground comes into
play here. He hasn't fumbled it and then got it again.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:02:21):
And also I think, just to add to the point
that you've got, I believe in giving the benefit of
the doubt to the attacking team because who knows whether
he will he propped or may have indeed ended up
controlling the ball in.

Speaker 24 (01:02:35):
His hand as it were, and pressing it down. And
he did press it down with a well, with a well,
I thought it was his hand he pressed it down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
In the end, it was his forum. But yeah, so if.

Speaker 23 (01:02:52):
A try I've seen it still being a try.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah, as long as there's no separation. And that's the thing.
Corner Less and nick Berry in the you know, in
real time, couldn't tell that there was any separation. And
you're right. If you force it, as long as you've
still got control of it, you've got weedge in between
your hand, your wrist, your forearm, and you force it,
that's a try. That is a try. It's just the
fact that he's lost loss of control.

Speaker 23 (01:03:14):
Yes, and we've seen that time and time again being
awarded as a try.

Speaker 24 (01:03:17):
Another game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yep, good on your corn yep, got on your mate,
enjoy your trip to the gym. You're putting the rest
of us to shame. Sunday afternoon at the gym, mate,
Good to have you listening in.

Speaker 11 (01:03:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Britt says, downward pressure is all you need. That's true,
but you can't. The ball can't separate itself from your
You can't. You've got to have the ball under control
to score a try. If it was just downward pressure,
you could, you could let go of it, it would
land on the ground and then you could press it down.
That's not a try even if it goes backwards, even

(01:03:52):
if he hasn't knocked it on, he hasn't controlled it
over the line. Downward pressure with control of the ball,
unless I've been watching a different game for fifty years,
is what you have to do. You can't lose control
of the ball. The secondary part of this, obviously is
that you can't see it in real time. And look,

(01:04:15):
I'm almost certain that, for example, if France had been
awarded to try last night under similar circumstances and it
hadn't been picked up by the TMO, would be having
a different discussion. In fact, didn't that happen last year
against South Africa? Do you remember that one the French
hooker his name escapes me and he will be able
to tell me. I'm sure bongie yeah, in Bongie, yeah,

(01:04:39):
he that was him. There was no way he had
control of the ball, and yet the TMO had to
look at it and said that was okay. I remember
at the time thinking it must be different at altitude
but facetious. Hello Steve, very good Steve. What's on your mind?

Speaker 18 (01:05:01):
Mate?

Speaker 8 (01:05:02):
Mate?

Speaker 15 (01:05:02):
I'm a very shafty campus today, mate, I'm a very
happy campus today.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Or did you have money on front? Did you have
did you have money on on all black thunders.

Speaker 15 (01:05:10):
Yes five and the leaves, and I had and I
had a cornella for Will Jordan and Jordi Barrett to
score and also for wal Jordan to score one to
three tries. So this afternoon, my friend, I am about
to put on my best shirt. I'm going to go
down to the CD and make my collection. I've got

(01:05:33):
my friend, I got my fruit brute after shave one.
I'm going to.

Speaker 8 (01:05:36):
Look the part.

Speaker 15 (01:05:38):
I'm going to have all those nice foldies tugged in
the way into my pocket. Now I'm going to go
down to Burger King and enjoy myself a big bloody
be all down the in mate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I think that is magnificent stuff from you, mate, that
is magnificent. You must have though, when Jordie's try got
ruled out the first one, you know, you must have thought,
oh man, it's not going to be my night. But
then thankfully for you, he did get one, and Will
Jordan got a couple.

Speaker 15 (01:06:01):
Yeah, and there's a couple of cancelations in there. So
my father and Nunda was looking, Oh, I was getting
really worried there. And look, I must say the woodstock
nearly went airborne. But you know, we were very, very close,
and at the end of the day I was I
was chumping at the burden, dancing around the lounge. My
wife was going, have you met another woman or something?
And I said, the next best.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Thing, Steve, I need to come watch the game of
rugby with you. That sounds like it's the best place
to be.

Speaker 15 (01:06:30):
I'm not into the technical stuff, mate, I'm into the
money stuff. You know what I mean. Brother, That's all
that really matters, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Well, you're one of our happier callers today, so I
think he might be right. I think he might be right. Mate.
Get that shirt on, get that collar shirt on, and
get down to the tab.

Speaker 15 (01:06:47):
And the brute after shape, mate over to get.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
The fruit after.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I can smell it through I can smell it through
the phone, Steve, I can smell it through the phone.
One of my favorite callers call back anytime. Steve been great, chanity.
May you enjoy your outing to the tab. You'll smell
them coming. Oh, absolutely tremendous. The You know, the TMO
shouldn't intervene more often. This is Steve. That way us

(01:07:14):
old buggers with a weak bladder wouldn't miss too much
of the game is very good, Steve, very good. Lincoln, Hi,
good Ay.

Speaker 8 (01:07:21):
Why do you think the people that run the game need.

Speaker 21 (01:07:26):
Again at the at the spectacle they're providing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
You just cut out when you said that. Do you
think that those who run the game need to look
again at the spectacle they're providing. Is that what you're asking?

Speaker 8 (01:07:37):
Yeah, yeah, because it seems like that has happened. Jams
are super Rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
We just lost you there, Lincoln. I think the point
you were trying to make is is do they need
to look at at it look? I think they always
need to, and I think last night was another example
of how things you know aren't ideal. The the fact
that two of the officials, two of the on field
official had differing views of the same incident. I mean,

(01:08:10):
nick Berry gets the final call. Here is the referee,
but the assistant referee, you can you hurt him to
the rest Mike saying I think that's okay. Nick Berry
says not it not for me, mate. It's obstruction, the
stoppage and play that sort of thing. I mean, TMO interference. Yeah,
you're right about I think you're mentioning super Rugby there,
Lincoln and Jack Mesley was very, very keen to minimize

(01:08:34):
TMO involvement in Super Rugby. He said as much every
time we chatted to him. He said, look, we don't
want the game to be over officiated, and I think
it led to a much better spectacle, a much better
spectacle one thirty six. One of the debutantes last night
was Duplessy Khalify. He's been around for a while and

(01:08:56):
had a wonderful Super Rugby season and as I've said
a couple of times on the show, I don't think
there was any argument when he was named in this
thirty three man squad, and no argument at all when
he was named in the match day squad, and it
was wonderful to see him take the field last night
to become an All Black. Shortly after full time, I
had a very quick chant on the field with Duplessy Kadify.

Speaker 25 (01:09:17):
Yeah, obviously ecstatic. I'm just don't do one to begin with. Honestly,
i'd I'm glad I could come on and have a
positive impact on the game, and at the end of
the day.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I'm just ske to one.

Speaker 25 (01:09:29):
I think the feelings and the emotions around achieving a
childhood dreamers still yet to hit me or probably hit
me when I have a moment to myself in the
Chaine rooms or in the room later on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
But for now, I'm.

Speaker 25 (01:09:39):
Just extremely proud that we're able to win for the
first game of the season, get our campaign off to
a good start and in front of an awesome home crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
How are you feeling watching on and how are those
final few moments just before you came on? Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 25 (01:09:54):
It's a It's an interesting feeling because on one hand,
it's your debut and you.

Speaker 11 (01:10:00):
Know there's a bit of.

Speaker 25 (01:10:00):
Anticipation around how you're going to go. And then on
the other hand, yeah, but a belief in yourself because
even the right to be here in this position, so
you know, a healthy mix of nerves and confidence I
think helped me get out there and just just go
about my work. I wouldn't say I did anything amazing,
but I know in some way, when all of every

(01:10:21):
single one of us would come off the plane tonight,
contributed in a positive way, and for that I'm proud.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
There are a lot of people up and down the
country who are very proud of you, and it is
going to be the first of many I know when
do you reckon, You'll get a chance to reflect and
let it sinking. Will that be later on tonight, after
a night's sleep when you reckon.

Speaker 25 (01:10:38):
I'd say it will probably have been at some stage tonight, Bonnie.
And I'm extremely lucky to be surrounded by family and friends,
both within and outside the environment. You know, I would
have loved for my confiance Miller to be here tonight,
but she has her own job to focus on playing
the pulse in Wellington. So you know, Mom and Dad
and everyone's here, they're going to be around me. But yeah,

(01:11:00):
at some point tonight I'll I'll have a moment on myself,
and I think I'll be able to reflect fully on
the journey that's been and hopefully the journey that's still
to come, not just for me, but for everyone in
the strip.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
You look very good in black, mate. Congratulations first and.

Speaker 25 (01:11:14):
Many cheers, Poney Or is a pleasure, brother clam. We
could do it this way tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
That is a duplicy calife. After making his test debut
last night, just before we move, Jamie says, here's a
quick list of the all blacks unavailable last night, because
a lot's be made of this being a France B
or C team. Here are the players unavailable last night
to Mighty Williams, I Suffer, Amoor, Tyrell, Lomax, Josh Lord,
Sam Dowry, Luke Jacobson, Peter Lacy Wallace, to Titi Ethan Blackadder,

(01:11:39):
Stephen Petafetta, Anton Lennart Brown and Chafee Hackey. You could
argue it's our B team as well, says Jamie. Interesting Jamie,
interesting text. I think the difference is the experience that
was out there last night. There were a lot of
caps out there, whereas for France five debutants in the
starting fifteen another three on the bench. But I take
your point. I take your point. Be very interesting to

(01:12:02):
see what happens in Wellington next weekend, as both teams
use last night as a launching plan, a pad slash
motivational you know, base from which to build towards Test
two in Wellington next week. News talks there being a
Weekend Sport twenty to two James mcconey. After this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
You be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty eighty Weekend
Sport with Jason Pain and GJ. Guvnerholmes. New Zealand's most
Trusted home Builder News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
They'd be coming up one forty four from Kath sadly
have only just been able to tune in, so I
don't know if you've discussed this, but why do they
kick the ball away instead of passing it? Thanks Kath Hey,
James mcconey, Why do they kick the ball away instead
of passing it?

Speaker 14 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it's one of my points as well. Why are
they doing it? And are they doing it the right way?
Because I do wonder whether our kick strategy is correct
when we actually dominated so many of the stats. And
you can go on Rugby Pass is a really good
website actually, if you you want to take a look
at the possess territory, all that of stuff was stacked
in the all blacks favor. I mean, yeah, the TMO

(01:13:11):
denied us a couple of times, but no real excuse,
is it? Really? No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Did
you enjoy watching some deboots last night? Big Fabian Holland
are quite like the look of this guy?

Speaker 14 (01:13:24):
Yeah, he was my pick of the debutants, Big Fabian Holland,
and because he's so big you can't miss him. But
playing the eighty minutes, just a big guy shifting bodies
around the place. Because you know, you can have your
your slim line locks, but the guys who really can
do a bit of both, you know, move the pianos
and also go up and get areal like Circa. So
let you need someone like that, and I think Fabian

(01:13:47):
Holland fits the bill. He looks a lot like Hibinetzabeth,
doesn't he crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
He said last night I did a postmatch with him
and he said, I said, how's it feel, you know,
debuting or something? You know, something similarly in Nane and
he said, he said, all these are guys I've always
looked up to. He's about two meters taen phrase.

Speaker 14 (01:14:10):
It's the first time on Sky I've seen Joey Wheeler
having to look up a little bit when he's doing
an interview. And by the way, Joey Wheeler is an
absolute breath of fresh air on TV. I love his
interviews and his energy and I know some people can
mudgeons will go, you know, but I think he's outstanding
at what he does. And if you want to look
at the pre match, if they show it, he does

(01:14:31):
a story that morning with the all black serving coffee
in a cafe in Dnevan and it's great TV.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, I think they've got a really good mix, you know,
and I need they need the I'm not saying he
doesn't know anything about rugby, because he does clearly, but yeah,
I love the authenticity he brings. I totally agree. And
he's like that off the year too. You would have
met him. I'm sure he's exactly the same when he's
not on camera. Hey, Mari a black Scotland. Scotland won
this game.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
Oh I know.

Speaker 14 (01:14:58):
And also, I mean the thing about it is like
they've got nine players away with the Lions, so they
are in the strength, but it's still as a Tier
one nation. But the thing is with a thriller and
they lost the Mali or Blacks lost by three points,
but they had a number of penalties near the death.
And I'm just wondering, is a draw not good enough?
I mean, surely a drawer is okay. I mean, you

(01:15:20):
have a better night after drawing with a Tier one
nation than losing, you know. So I'm saying it now,
if I can't be a winner, I'd rather be a
drawer than a loser.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
I think that's a fair I think That's a fair call,
isn't it. If one of the options is to lose
the game and the other options not to lose the game,
you take the second one, don't you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Totally?

Speaker 14 (01:15:41):
And also poneyed just to go back to the all
Blacks in case we're leaving the All Blacks. I was
going to say, I've been listening to callers, and I
love the callers. The day after a test match, you
must enjoy it as well, and they're making some bloody
good points out there. And one of the ones that
I like is I think Tupo VI. I think Razor
is doing the right thing there. He's never going to

(01:16:01):
be a power number six like Jerome Cano and Shannon Brazzelle,
but he's an effort guy and when with that it
means just covering more territory, getting, you know, doing more
of that dirty work. And I think he's perfect, So
let just keep that experiment rolling. It was worth throwing
the dice with a few of those things. Two Via

(01:16:22):
being one and the other one. I actually thought with
Bowden settling in there at number ten, he really saved
us last night.

Speaker 7 (01:16:30):
Boden Barrett.

Speaker 14 (01:16:31):
He kicked every single goal he had to the triassus
and like I said, once you iron out some of
those keck decisions. I just think that Boden looked really
good at number ten, and even with the maat coming on,
just having the two playmakers out there. Can we possibly
do that again? I know it happened because see we
got injured, but I did like it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, I totally agree about Biden Barret at ten. I
thought he had an assured game and his goalkicking is
as good. He's so effortless. I was watching him kick
goals from sideline last night. He's just effortless. Anyway we move,
Can I ask you about the lines Andy Farrell's got
a son on the team.

Speaker 14 (01:17:07):
Now, yeah, exactly. This is the I mean we talk
about nepo babies. Have you heard that turn piney I have? Now, yeah,
baby is just nepotism, someone picking their son. I mean,
we've all worked for companies where the you know, the
son of the boss ends up leapfrogging everyone and running
the company, and you know you have to be careful
of those drinks and stuff, don't you know what you say?

(01:17:30):
But look, this is this is just a classic case
of oh yes, Owen Farrell has got you know, an
amazing cv of winning and playing for the Lions and
all that sort of stuff. But really this is be
careful what you wish for, because I think it's a
decision like this can unsettle the camp. And bringing someone

(01:17:52):
him in like that, I just think you just lose
respect from the troops. So I love Andy Farrell. I'm
sure his heart's in the right place, but a guy
hasn't played for a while, he's been struggling for fitness,
and to go ahead of all those other ones, I mean, yes,
you're getting an experienced player, but then that that really
signals that he's going to make the Test side, doesn't it?

Speaker 8 (01:18:13):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Now I think I know, I think you're right. I
think you're right because they had a I was just
going to I want to move on. But they had
a at least convincing win over the warri task last night, didn't.
They put fifty on the fours, fifty on the reds.
They were less convincing last night.

Speaker 14 (01:18:29):
Yeah, what should we do? Should we got time for
the warriors as well? Or should we just move on
to the to the pony.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I think we can. I think you god, I'd like to,
I'd like to to to talk Diego Jotta. This is
just absolutely dreadful news the death and a car accident
this week of of one of Liverpool's first team players
at the age of twenty eight.

Speaker 14 (01:18:52):
Yeah. I mean, look, it's just life's not fear. I mean,
the only reason he was in a car is because
they told him not to take a flight back to England,
so he is going to the ferry terminal in northern
northern Spain. So this is a weird thing right now
when you look at it. He would have been on
cloud nine before that, has won the League with Liverpool,
won the European Nation's Cup final with Portugal, and married

(01:19:17):
his childhood sweet out. They had three kids together. It's
twenty eight years old and then that happens. It's just
so devastating. I know you're a Liverpool fan, Piney, but
also I think for anybody who's lost someone in their
lives who's young, and I know that's happened to you,
It's happened to me. My best friend died in a
car crash when he was eighteen, just outside of Tao Mutu.

(01:19:39):
It's absolutely devastating. There's nothing you can do to change
that hurt. Really apart from just remember that, you know,
sometimes you just have to appreciate the people around you.
Appreciate those days if you are in a car with
someone turning them and tell them that you love them.
You need to care now rather than worrying about what's

(01:19:59):
happening ahead, because we just don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Pony, Oh God, work gone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
With many.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
An when it's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
You made the call on eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pyne News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Zimp Look at the time five to two already Weekend
Sport coming to you from Dunedin. We're going to sort
of follow the All Blacks around on the show this year,
certainly the Games and New Zealand anyway, I don't think
we quite stretch to getting over to Argentina to watch
them over there or the Northern Tour. Certainly Elliot Smith
will be going being our rugby editor and match commentator,

(01:21:18):
but as far as the domestic Test matches are concerned,
we'll certainly be taking the show on the road in
Wellington next week, which isn't necessarily on the road because
I live there. We are going to take the show
to Shed twenty two next Saturday afternoon between midday and
three as we build towards the second test of the year,
All Blacks France at Sky Stadium next Saturday night. And

(01:21:39):
we've even got a place to go in Hamilton as
I understand it. I'm just going to get the name
of it, the Roaming Giant, The Roaming Giants in Hamilton.
That sounds magnificent. So we'll be there on Saturday, the
nineteenth of July between midday and three. So I think
the idea of taking the pregame shows to places like

(01:22:00):
Emerson's Shed twenty two and the Roaming Giant is absolutely inspired.
Andy McDonald's claiming responsibility for this idea, and look, I'm
happy for you to do that, mate. You know, if
it's your idea, then it's a it's a top draw one,
an absolutely top drawer decision by you. After two o'clock

(01:22:20):
we'll shift focus from the rugbeat. Want to talk some
Warriors women Patricia malieppol is on the show and some
basketball as well. With our junior tour Blacks into the
third and fourth place playoff at the Under nineteen FEEB
World Cup. Have they caught the eye of the tour
Blacks coach jud Flavel.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after fields. It's all on Weekends Forward with Jason
Vane on your home of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Sport in New York, New Talks. Heban Weekend's Sports two six.
We're here till three, and then Andrew Dickens takes over
for the Sunday edition of The Weekend Collective. Before we
can pass the bat and past the microphone, as it were,
but to get through this hour. The Warriors women underway
in their long awaited return to the nrlwre up against

(01:23:11):
the Roosters in Sydney. Tough first up match for them.
They've got quite a few players who have come across
from rugby, including Patricia Malieppel, who was part of the
Blue side that won Super Rugby Opicky and now she's
playing rugby league for the Warriors. Had the chance to
chat to her a couple of days ago. Want to
play that for you. The Junior Tall Blacks are in
the third and fourth place playoff at the Under nineteen

(01:23:33):
feb World Cup in Switzerland. They lost this morning to
the United States of America. No disgrace there in a
game of basketball. They take on Slovenia tomorrow morning and
could produce the best ever finished by a New Zealand
team at a feb event. Tall Blacks coach Judd Flab,
We're going to talk about that. How good is this
next generation of male basketballers from this country? And we'll

(01:23:56):
get you Stateside as well to wrap up all things
Americans sportly on Busby in his regular slide, as far
as American sport has concerned, our lines remain open all afternoon.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
nine two ninety two if you would prefer to send
your thoughts in by text or emails to Jason at
NEWSTALKZEDB dot co dot nz. But as we tick towards
eight past two, as we always do on weekend sport

(01:24:20):
after the two o'clock news, it's time to get you
across some of the stuff that may have escaped your attention,
some of the stuff you missed in case you missed it,
some motorsport before we get into our smager's board of
oval ball content. Shamban Gisbergen threw cleanly in NASCAR. You
spell Chicago s v G shame that gisburg and wins

(01:24:44):
again in the Wendy City, an Exfinity Series win at
Chicago for Shane van Gisbergen, setting him up for a
potential two win weekend. He's sitting on pole for the
NASCAR Cup Series as well. Now to the Oval Ball
and to the NRL. The Storm battling their way to
a twenty six twenty win over the Cowboys Balpu the

(01:25:07):
decor U's on his gottess men. He is over flow
with the off flag NY another celebration and the Raiders
have solidified top spot on the table thanks to some
magic from Chio Weeks chasing the pretend on Weeks. You

(01:25:29):
don't want to miss him. He might give you a
second chance. He's cleaned on the dragon, No chance, he's
breathed on Breyon. Don't chase what almost made different?

Speaker 11 (01:25:43):
Says to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Come wait, superstiline tend Yeah, call off the search for
Trive of the year. That is that Kyo Weeks. Have
a look at that at some stage if you haven't
managed to check it out. Of twenty eight, twenty four
when for the Raiders over the Dragons. Heaps of international
rugby as well, Scotland's triumphant over the New Zealand Molly
mariy or Blacks doing their face to hold on to

(01:26:07):
the ball. Let's stay with the Scots.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Guys fight this night for Scotland and Finaite.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
The spring Marks made to work against Italy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Can't make it to the triline clickball for put, the
clerk pupped way Vinton cop stop shorts, the clouds.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Changes direction, real danger.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Land turn five up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
The spring Marks eventually victorious forty two to twenty four.
A valiant effort by the Waratahs and they're twenty one
to ten loss to the British and Irish Lions. The
Warritas right win for the celebrate light.

Speaker 20 (01:26:55):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
That held the lines to just three tries whilst going two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Of their own, and I have won back plenty of
ms in Sydney and Japan have sent Wales to an
eighteenth straight defeat. Can they maintain them aventum to the
line they smuggled away?

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Oh, now the chance of this corps and they come.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Out with the land.

Speaker 25 (01:27:23):
While sharts crumbling in keith a q shoot as we
enter the final ten minutes of the match and the
Brave Blossoms with the noses in front.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
The scup from the track fields and the court on
your home of Sport, Weekend Sport with Jason Vine talks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
In b eleven minutes past two on Weekend Sport. High
excitement as the Warriors women make their return to the
NRLW after a five year absence. They've just kicked off
against the Roosters at Elian Stadium in Sydney. Ten Test
black firm Patricia Malieppol joined the Warriors just days after

(01:28:02):
helping the Blues win the Super Rugby Opekey title for
the seat straight year. She is starting at five eighths
in the season opening this afternoon. I spoke to her
on Friday and ask first of all about her decision
to switch codes.

Speaker 11 (01:28:17):
Oh, first all, I think I just me and my
journey in rugby. I kind of felt like it was
just up and down and not going anywhere within the
past year. So yeah, I did have to make that
tough decision on whether I wanted to, you know, stick
around and be back up for World Cup or take

(01:28:38):
on an opportunity and just try something new and possibly
have the opportunity to play. So yeah, I think just
I think I needed it myself, and yeah, I just
had a gut feeling to make the switch and just
you know, have a fresh start in a new code. Yeah,
which was really exciting and I'm enjoying it so far.

(01:29:01):
So I'm really pleased with the decision that I've made.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Yeah, good on you. When you spoke with head coach
Ron Griffiths, what did he specifically say that convinced you
that this would be the right move for you?

Speaker 11 (01:29:17):
I thought he was he was concepting me through blues
and I was like, oh my gosh, is this legal or.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:29:25):
But crazy?

Speaker 11 (01:29:26):
But I think the man just I think his heart,
Like he's just got a big heart for people, and
I think he's a people first type of person rather
than a player, and I really respect that. And yeah,
he just kind of implemented on like how he wanted

(01:29:46):
the team to look at the culture and just the
environment and yeah, I really thrive off that type of
stuff rather than just being seen as a as a player.
I think there's more to a person than a player.

Speaker 6 (01:30:01):
So yeah, just.

Speaker 11 (01:30:02):
Him having a big hard for people is probably what
drew me into Yeah two wants to play under him?

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Fantastic. So did you play any rugby league growing up
or is this all new.

Speaker 11 (01:30:21):
Honestly, it's going to sound crazy, but this is new.
This is all new. This is like picking up the
rugby ball for the first time how many years ago,
but with the league. So yeah, this weekend will be
my first rugby league game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
That is so cool. I just love that. I love that.
So how have you found it and what have been
the biggest adjustments that you've found You've had to make
because you get ready to play thirteen a side rather
than fifteen a side.

Speaker 11 (01:30:51):
Yeah at this, don't get me wrong, but at the
start of pre season it was pretty hard to like
it was kind of just like, yeah, take put on
your boots, get on the field, see how you feel,
and kind of learn that way where I'm so used
to being well, I've been told what to do and

(01:31:12):
stuff the past couple of years in rugby and it's
just been like, it's not far different. But I think
the physicality is I think it's up there, and I
think the only difference between rugby league and rugby union
is that and the shuttles of getting up maybe the
tackle of getting back. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, that's

(01:31:33):
a turning point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
That's a different kind of fitness. Isn't it. Well, I mean,
I don't know personally, but it looks like a different
kind of fitness. As you say, the shuttles that you know,
making the tackle, getting back in the line, plus the
physicality of the tackles coming your way as well. Have
you had to kind of I mean, you're in pretty
good shape, but have you had to sort of steal
yourself for the physicality that you're going to encounter in

(01:31:55):
rugby league.

Speaker 11 (01:31:56):
Oh, definitely. I think I'm quite grateful that I've got
freaking good teammates and runners like secure a Baker and
like the likes of heart to turn them just to
like run it at me, because man, you're they're just
like full just no handbrake on running at you, and

(01:32:19):
you're you've got to get off what ten meters back
and try make a dominant tackle, which you probably won't
if you see them running at you. So yeah, really
grateful for them, And yeah, it's really tested my shoulders.
But I think I'm determined they're ready for this Sunday understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
And it's a whole new group as well, isn't it. Patricia.
You know, there's there's a lot of new players who
haven't necessarily played together before. I know you've played with
some of the Black fernds who have come across as well,
But how have you gone about establishing connections as a
team off the field as you prepare to go on
to the field.

Speaker 11 (01:33:01):
Oh yeah, well, I like you said, I think we
we are definitely a very diverse team in in the
likes of coming from different codes and different levels of
rugby and professional professionalism. But we did have a connections
camp down at Amdi.

Speaker 24 (01:33:23):
Wake couple.

Speaker 11 (01:33:24):
I think I forgot the name of them that I
but I think from there our connection just grew tighter.
And yeah, we've been building off field and just little
team team group activities is keeping us in line, and
I think I think the girls just feel like it's

(01:33:45):
an environment where you can just be open and it's
a safe space for them to, like, you know, go
up to Uppy Nichols and ask her questions about footing
or just just tell a general conversation about life. So yeah,
I think our team is very approachable, very kind human

(01:34:06):
beings and they're lovely people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
That's good to hear. So going into your first game,
it's likely you'll be heavy underdogs against the roosters. Are
you okay with that tag?

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:34:17):
Yeah, I think I think there will be a shot
to the n r L doubles the Warriors returning, And yeah,
I just think New Zealanders are different hitters, so you know,
you just never know what to expect on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
So yeah, and I know you're only just starting out
on your rugby league journey. But have you closed the
door on rugby union or is that something that you
think in the future you may go back to.

Speaker 11 (01:34:48):
Honestly, recently I have I have been thinking and stuff,
but I'm kind of just living in the moment and
enjoying each step of the way and whatever comes in
the future comes. But yeah, my main priority is the
Warriors this season and wherever that leads me at the
end of the season. And what I feel like makes

(01:35:12):
me happy and makes me feel valued, then yeah, who
knows what would have been there?

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
What a mindset? Yeah? What am mindset to have? Hey,
Patricia has been such a delight chatting to you. Look,
we can't wait to see how the Warriors will go
in the NRLW now that you're back in there after
a long absence. All the best for your first game
and look forward to catching up at some stage throughout
the season.

Speaker 11 (01:35:36):
Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
And that is Patricia Mallieppl who I spoke to on Friday.
I couldn't talk to us today because they're playing at
the moment. And in fact, would you believe it, Patricia Mallepple,
while that interview was playing, has scored the warriors first
try of the season, So clearly appearing on the radio
is helpful in scoring tries in the NRLW Nine and

(01:36:00):
a half minutes to go in the first half and
it's the Roosters ahead by ten points to six. They
were huge favorites the Rooster's going into this game and
Patricia maliepp Ball has clearly decided that that's not something
she's interested in at all. A try for her ten
to six, the Roosters lead the Warriors with nine minutes

(01:36:22):
to go in the first half at Alian Stadium in Sydney.
Good stuff. We'll keep eyes on that for you. Two twenty.
It is it's take a break. When we come back,
it's to basketball we go. Because the junior Tall Blacks
are currently at the World Cup in Switzerland. Yesterday we
spoke to their coach, Matt Lacy after they'd beaten the
Swiss to move into the semifinals. They suffered a reasonably

(01:36:43):
heavy defeat to the United States in the semifinals this morning,
but that feeds them into the third and fourth place playoff.
They'll take on Slovenia at that game underway at around
three o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand time. So how do
we rate this next generation of New Zealand male basketballers?
Are we looking at another golden generation the likes of

(01:37:05):
which we in the early two thousands when New Zealand
finished fourth at the Senior Basketball World Cup. Jud Flavel
was in that team. He's now Tall Blacks coach. She's
going to join us on the show after this break.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason
Fine and GJ.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
News TALKSB and Weekend Sport Basketball In just a sect.
Two twenty four are from Sonya on Techs. Just wanted
to mention that both our New Zealand men and women's
softball teams are overseas in Canada right now. The New
Zealand White Sox and the New Zealand Major Socks, which
is our under twenty three women's side, are at the
Canada Cup starting tomorrow, and our Black Sox men are

(01:37:48):
playing in the Men's Softball World Cup. YouTube Softball New
Zealand live stream in the games. Thank you, sonya. We'll
keep eyes on that. I was aware of that. We
will certainly make sure we keep you up to date
with scores etc. Across the week here on News Talks EDB.
The Junior Tall Blacks meantime eat Slovenia in the playoff
for third and fourth at the Under nineteen World Cup

(01:38:11):
in Switzerland and.

Speaker 26 (01:38:12):
Tible this one out as Team USA absolutely rocket themselves
into the final of the FOB Under nineteen Welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Plumtree will hit the three at the end.

Speaker 26 (01:38:28):
Just a good measure Team USA with a tomin and victory.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Yep, they have beaten New Zealand, have the United States.
But the Tall Blacks, the Junior Tall Blacks sorry, have
the chance to achieve New Zealand's best ever finish at
a FEB event, following the Tall Blacks famous fourth place
at the World Cup in two thousand and two, emulated
by our under seventeen men's side at their World Cup

(01:38:54):
last year, and our five of that team are in
this under nineteen side. Let's bring in Tall Blacks coach
jud Flavel, who I'm sure has been a very, very
interested onlooker this week at the game's playing out in Switzerland. John,
thanks for your tom What has impressed you the most
when you've watched these young men play this week?

Speaker 10 (01:39:14):
Oh?

Speaker 27 (01:39:15):
Interested in riding the wave with these boys in this
scene and Matt Lacy the coach, you know, just I
like with a lot of the basketball fraternity and in
New Zealand, you know, one behind the scene that made
us proud, and I think for a number of reasons.
You know, firstly, just competing on this world stage, which
we know is a true global sport, and they're taking

(01:39:38):
on the heavyweights of the world and really holding their
heads up high, and they have a real self confidence
about themselves. And yeah, the gold medals, you know, out
of reach right now, but they truly believe that, you know,
that's where they belong. And along with the rest of us,
that felt like this group was a special group that
they could do some things with. So the confidence that

(01:40:00):
they're playing with the connection that they're playing with, you know,
and two important things that as we know with elite
sport and high performance sport, that you must have and
these guys are doing that.

Speaker 8 (01:40:12):
And you know, the crazy.

Speaker 27 (01:40:15):
Thing is that there are always little things there that
the team can actually brush up on. And maybe that's
the coach side on me that's coming out, but I
would say that they have probably felt like they haven't
one hundred percent put it all together yet. You know,
they had some really good performances from players, but as
a collective group, I think there's more in the tank there.
So it really sets it up well for us, you know,

(01:40:37):
the biggest game that we've got for New Zealand basketball
right now and the biggest opportunity to grab a metal.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
You alluded to it there, jud but do you get
a sense now that participating at FEVER events is no
longer enough for our best players, that they have a
realistic desire to beat teams and go deep in tournaments
like this.

Speaker 27 (01:40:58):
Well, if I do, you know, peel back the years
and go back to when we first came on the
scene and went to that World Cup in two thousand
and two, large part of it was actually, you know,
we felt like we didn't know really what to expect
the first time we went.

Speaker 8 (01:41:12):
And the beauty about it these days is that, you know, we've.

Speaker 27 (01:41:16):
Moved into the Asian region, so we're getting international experiences
as fifteen year olds are qualifying for World Cups and
they're getting this experience that.

Speaker 8 (01:41:27):
For the first time.

Speaker 27 (01:41:28):
And as we know, you know, like tasting a little
bit of exposure and getting those opportunities is all growth,
and that's what we've seen with our sports and our
national teams, and now we're getting more more athletes and
teams that are going as an age group team to
World Cups. And this is only going to put you know,

(01:41:49):
if you fast forward and look further down the track,
it's only going to put our senior national teams and
great positions to do something on the world stage as well.
So it's fairly getting the exposure and you know, these
kids are now even that they truly belong and that
they should go into these semi finals and beat teams,

(01:42:10):
and you know that that's an amazing mindset to have.
And I think with the participation numbers that we have
coming through. I made a comment the other day on
an interview and just talked about the participation numbers just
being huge. We actually have more participants than what we
do have basketball hoops, and you know, these boys still
have to pay thousands of dollars to get to these opportunities.
So somewhere along the lines we actually you know, there

(01:42:32):
may be more players there that are missing out, but yeah,
the future is bright.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
How much has playing in our National Basketball League and
particularly the new innovation the Rapid League helped to develop
these young players.

Speaker 27 (01:42:47):
I'm glad you brought that up because you know, Justin Nelson,
who you know, is an Australian and you know, we
like to sort of take all the credit or ourselves
as News Islanders, but look, we've got to pay this
man some respect because he brought in a new concept
that probably wasn't you know, gets brought in by everybody

(01:43:09):
straight away when you have a new concept that comes
in and look, we're three years I think it's three
years deep into it and we've seen.

Speaker 8 (01:43:16):
The results these all of these boys, I think all.

Speaker 27 (01:43:19):
But two have played in Rapid League and they would
have started that two years ago and seen them on
the basketball court and being able to mix it with
the you know, with grown men so they're not just
playing against guys their own age group. They're playing against
thirty year olds. And these thirty year olds are fully professional,
some are semi professional. And but you've got you know,

(01:43:41):
American and Boards playing in there. You've got Jill and
Tourbacks that play in that league. You've got guys that
are playing in the Australian NBL, Aussie Boomers, and these
guys have you know, I guess, been battled, hardened and
tested on a week to week basis.

Speaker 8 (01:43:55):
So we unfortunately don't have a central academy.

Speaker 27 (01:44:00):
Or these these high performance hubs that were able to
you know, collect these guys altogether. So the next best
thing we have though may just even be better when
they are able to have mixed in their environment. They're
training daily, training environment with a lot of these grown men,
and that's just fast tracked these guys' development and confidence.

Speaker 8 (01:44:18):
And you see them when they play that you know,
maybe except.

Speaker 27 (01:44:22):
For this morning against the US, the might of the USA,
which is, as we know, the basketball nation of the world.
But besides that, you know, this team has they come into,
like I said, the expectation that they can take down anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
By my count and you're about to correct me here,
six of this on the nineteen side have already played
for the senior Tollbacks. How do you know if a
young player is ready for that step?

Speaker 8 (01:44:47):
Yeah, look, I mean since since been.

Speaker 27 (01:44:49):
I guess I've been eight nine months into the role
of the tour Backs head coach.

Speaker 8 (01:44:53):
And a huge focal point for me.

Speaker 27 (01:44:56):
Was, you know, like I'm a I'm a New Zealand
through and through, and I was a New Zealand junior
player too coming through and I got to play for
the tour Backs, you know, not at the age, not
at a super young age, but you could just see
the moments and what it does for people when you
when you're able to give them that experience and exposure.
I guess we're saying these words are a lot as

(01:45:17):
I'm doing this interview, but and that's.

Speaker 8 (01:45:20):
What it's all about.

Speaker 27 (01:45:20):
So we you know, you don't one hundred percent know
if that's going to be something that's you know, the
athlete is going to take on and you know really
whether it's going to be embraced or not. But you
give the opportunity, and there's so much to win by
offering a youngster that has talent or has a special

(01:45:45):
set of skills or character attributes. Then you know, both
integrating them into the Tall Blacks, I think we are
fast tracking their development and also that these guys really
build a strong connection for it. And a lot of
these guys are going to go to college, and a
couple of guys have already been there, but you know
a lot of these guys are going to be in
college and for the next four or five years, and

(01:46:08):
you know they're going to spend a lot of time
away from home. So while they're at home, you know,
part of my I guess philosophy has been to try.

Speaker 8 (01:46:15):
To integrate them as early as we can.

Speaker 27 (01:46:17):
And that's not just you know, putting them into We
still want to put them into positions to be successful.
So we'll always take one or two. The last series
that we had against Trans Tasman against the Australian series,
you know we had I think we had four of them,
you know, Oscar, Julius, Jackson and Tumma all four of them.

(01:46:39):
So you know, we were super young. But they got
to beat Australia, you know, Game three in Hamilton, So
they're picking up all of these opportunities and man, you know,
I think that's that's the recipe that we need for
the success of our basketball, for the men's program.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
That two thousand and two side that you were a
part of was something of a golden generation. You look
at the names on that roster. Phil Jones, Kirk Pennepet,
Cameron Dylan Boucher was in that team, Sean Marks might Tickle,
Pauli Hannati and others. Do you seen such similar side
building here?

Speaker 27 (01:47:13):
I think that's that's been a lot of the talk
around the around the country, and a lot of people
refer back to that Golden generation, which did a lot
of things on the international stage, and you know that
that seem if we go back, you know, like I said,
we didn't really know what to expect on the international stage.
We kind of just you know, once we took down
the Aussies, we got put into the World Cup, and

(01:47:35):
we didn't really truly know what, you know, how good
were we We didn't have much experience back then, but
we knew that we could be good. We were a
type group that coming together and obviously with a lot
of talent, with certain guys and their roles, and it's
I think when we talk about this group and these
names that are currently at the Under nineteen World Cup,

(01:47:56):
these will definitely be names that we talk about for
a long time and certainly with the national program. But
I think the beauty of it is that these guys
already at seventeen eighteen years old, know and realize just
how good.

Speaker 8 (01:48:09):
They can be and that they are, and that's, uh.

Speaker 27 (01:48:12):
You know, hopefully that that drives them even more to
when they come together and put the you know, this
is the last age group team for them, and the
next national team.

Speaker 8 (01:48:19):
For them is going to be the tourbacks.

Speaker 27 (01:48:21):
But when they come together to that environment, you know,
they're they're just you know, all guns blazing and steam
rolling over top of because that's what they expect. And
that's I think the beauty about this is these guys
are seems success now and hopefully this is just going
to drive it even more.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
I asked coach Matt Lacy this on the show yesterday,
Hayden Jones, son of Phil, of course, you reckon he
could be even better than old men.

Speaker 27 (01:48:47):
Well, I mean that's a that's a day I played
with Phil and he's a world class shoo that. Look,
I think they're different, but look that you can put
them into the same mix as far as like their
contribution to their teams. And you know, Hayden's are very
you know, he's got some similarities there and and I think,
you know, I don't want to do that's to feel
author Hayden. But look, let them be the best versions

(01:49:10):
of themselves. But you're talking about two very very good
basketball players for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
And just to finish John Slovenia, how do you write
our chances against them and the possibility of a third place.

Speaker 14 (01:49:19):
For this year?

Speaker 27 (01:49:21):
Yeah, Look, that's one team I don't know so much about.
I remember seeing them play one game during the tournament.
I can't remember because I've been watching so many games.
And look, I do feel and it's the US. It
was a tricky team because they're just's just a different
type of athlete and it's hard to prepare for. But

(01:49:41):
the way that we've played against a lot of the
other international teams, Yeah, I really like our chances and
I think they will be feeling very confident. Look, but
the one thing is, you know, if we go back
to two thousand and two when we lost our semi final,
we walked into that bronze medal match, not mentally ready
we were still you know, sort of down and low on.

(01:50:03):
I guess the result from the night before. This team
here right now has a very special moment in front
of them and to be able to take away a
medal from a World Cup. So I'm sure the coaching
staff Met Lacey will have the boys fizzing for this
one and truly believing that they can get the job done.
And yeah, but from the backseat here looking, yeah, definitely

(01:50:25):
I like our chances. And yeah, I think this time
tomorrow we could be talking about the best moment of
the young basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Very exciting times for the game here, jud thanks so
much for your time, mate, Really enjoyed chatting. Jeer Sasin,
thank you, No, thank you, Jude Judd Fable, then coach
of the Tall Blacks. So the New Zealand under nineteen
side went down one hundred and twenty to sixty four
to the United States. So look, I don't think there's
any disgrace in losing to the United States in the
game of basketball, regardless of the gender, the age, or

(01:50:55):
the level. It feeds them into the third and fourth
place match against Slovenia and our Slovenia went down to
Germany in the other semi final eighty four seventy two,
and running a bit of an eye over Slovenia's scores
at this tournament. It's not like they've really set the
world on fire. I think New Zealand are a chance,
an absolute chance here to achieve the first ever podium

(01:51:18):
finish by a New Zealand basketball team at a feb event,
male or female. Three o'clock tomorrow morning. That's not very
civilized time to get up, is it. Although I guess
we might be up and about watching the Formula One
Grand Prix at around about the same time, so I
guess if you're going to be up, you might as
well have a look at a bit of sport. So

(01:51:39):
three o'clock tomorrow morning is tip off between New Zealand
and Slovenia in the third and fourth place playoff at
the FEB Under nineteen World Cup. Just updating you on
some live sport before we take a break. The Roosters
women have scored a couple of tries in the last
ten minutes of the first half to extend out to
eighteen points to six eighteen points to six at halftime

(01:52:00):
over the Warriors women in their return to the NRLW.
We'll take a break. When we come back, we go
state side. Leon Busby updating us on all things American Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
The tough Questions off the Turf, Weekend Sport with Jason
Tyne and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
TALKSB, News Talks HEB. Don't forget that we are the
home of the All Blacks and twenty twenty five. So
after last night's First Test in Dunedin, we're off to
Wellington next weekend for Test two, Sky Stadium next Saturday
night five past seven, and then the following week it
is to Hamilton to FMG Stadium in Hamilton for the

(01:52:40):
Third Test. Both of those test matches, in fact, pretty
much all of the home test matches this year, kickoff
at five past seven. Very much looking forward to bringing
you All Black's action across twenty twenty five on News Talks,
HITB and Weekend Sport. Though it's time to get your
state side. Our man Lyon Busby is here, Hello, Leon.

Speaker 10 (01:53:01):
After Jason serve mate got a lot to hit through ray,
so let's stump right into it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Let's do it made NBA. We know our champions. Okay, see,
we're into trade season in the NBA. Couple of big ones.
Kevin Durant first of all, from the Phoenix Suns to
the Houston Rockets.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:53:19):
So KD is, as he's officially known, who's the first
Big Domino to four. So the two time champion, two
time finals MVP, and he's also a fifteen time All Star.
He was traded to the Rockets, making them a genuine
contender after finishing second in the Western season. So Durant
adds vast experience to a youthful side who are on
the rise. And he also joins big Q Stephen Adams,

(01:53:42):
who began his career with Katie at OKAC back in
twenty thirteen. So yeah, I think they're going to do
a lot better this year, well next season anyway, the
Eastern Rockets definitely, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Miles Turner traded by the Indiana Pacers to the Milwaukee Bucks.

Speaker 10 (01:53:59):
Yes, this is a bit of a hitch scratch of
this one. The Indiana Pacers there, so they just came
off short in the final Digito OKC in Game seven.
But I guess the trader was a bit of a
shock trade because they shifted their key big man Miles
Turner to their fierce Eastern rival Milwaukee Bucks. And if
you missed at him with star playmaker Torres Halliburton, say
he suffered a torn Archilly's meaning Hill miss likely most

(01:54:22):
of the entire twenty five to twenty six seeds. And
so yeah, there's a lot of people sort of speculating
that with this Turner trade that they could possibly divide
the locker room and that won't be good for the
Indiana Paces moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
All Right, the NBA Draft, we've been keeping eyes on that.
What were the main features from your point of view?

Speaker 10 (01:54:43):
Yeah, So the NBA Draft, I've got to be honest here, Piney,
and actually it was a bit of a dudd because
I'll tell you and I'll explain why, because everyone knew
before and who was going to get first pick overall. Anyway,
So the Dallas Mavericks, as expected, they signed the best
college player, power forward Cooper Flag of Duke University to
their roster, now the twenty twenty five national college player.

(01:55:05):
He's a skilled two way player, has huge potential any
degenerational player as well, So he'll make a big difference
to the man's and they'll build their team around him. Wrong,
tom So, as I mentioned earlier, after flag was taken
off the board, no one should really name any of
the other players drafted, which is a real shame because
this is a real life changeing event for most of
these young men in terms of providing generational wrath for them.

(01:55:28):
And there's families who have sacrificed so much built them
to have this opportunity. Now, Punny, I'm going to go
on a little script here. I'm going to ask you so,
I'm going to compare a professional sports team to a
board game. Are you familiar with a board game called Katan?

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
I've heard of it, but I don't think I've ever
played it.

Speaker 10 (01:55:47):
Yeah, so aka for those of your listeners who have
not heard of Katan, it's a hugely popular multiplayer board
game where build where players build settlements, they trade resources,
and they compete. They compete to reach a set number
of VIKKUW points to win. So much like a sports
team you're trying to construct, you have resources at you disposal, athletes,
financial backing, sponsorship, growing your fan base, et cetera. Now,

(01:56:11):
if we relate this to say the okay, see thunder,
the other perfect example over the last five years their
front office, they've moved pieces around, built up considerable resources,
and established a foundational culture within the team environment which
has finally brought them along over due made an NBA championship. Now,
if we relate that example close at a home, we
can see that the All Blacks head coach, Scott Robertson,

(01:56:33):
he's sort of doing the same thing here with the staff.
He's trying to build a strong team culture within the
All Blacks, utilizing all the resources at his disposal leading
up to the ultimate goal, which is lifting the men's
Rugby World Cup trophy in late twenty twenty seven. So
if we think about the results in between now and
the Rugby World Cup, it's really the Rugby World Cup
that matters, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Finding absolutely right, absolutely right? Hey, just one before we
moved to the WNBA Shay Gilder, Alexander and the OKA
see Oklahoma City Thunder. I see they've given him a
record setting contract extension. Going to be not going to
be short of a bob for a while, Leon by
the looks of it.

Speaker 10 (01:57:10):
No, No, I think he'll he'll he'll be okay, Well,
he'll get by Okay, he signed a historic four year
So this is a two hundred and eighty five million
what they call a supermax contract extension.

Speaker 19 (01:57:22):
With the Loksee.

Speaker 10 (01:57:23):
So it keeps him with the team through to the
thirty thirty one season. So he'll be paid in average
seventy one point two five million per season, making it
the richest annual salary in NBA history. And the new
contract kicks in for the twenty twenty seven to twenty
eighth season. And then as we look at the past season,
Esgar was paramount to okay See winning their first title,
and this extension solidifies his role as a corner stand

(01:57:45):
of the Funder franchise, reflecting the team's commitment to building
around him as they continue to develop their roster. The
financial commitment also indicates the Thunder's confidence in his ability
to lead the team to future successes, especially after a
record setting season. So, in summary, esh Year's new contract
is a significant mass stand for both the player and
okay See, marking a new era potential successful the franchise. Now, pony,

(01:58:09):
can I just bring up a real funny story quickly
before we go to the WNBA please? So the champion
Thunder team, they were actually the second youngest team ever
to win an NBA title. Now here's a really funny
story to this whole thing. So what happened is, as
we know, when they end up winning the championship and
the team all they go back to the locker room

(01:58:29):
and they celebrate. Now they get up the old champaign bottles. Right,
this team was so young. Fourteen of the fifteen players
had no idea how to pop corks or a champaign battle.
Most weren't even going onto YouTube and tutorials. They're thankfully
the oldest player on the team, Alex Caruso, at thirty one,
had previously won an NBA tittle, so he probably shared

(01:58:50):
the scott how to get it done.

Speaker 9 (01:58:51):
How funny is that?

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
I thought you were going to say they weren't legally
old enough to have a sip of it, which is
probably true in some cases as well. But yeah, brilliant stuff.
Let's go to the WNBA. It seems to be all
about the Indiana Fever Leon.

Speaker 10 (01:59:07):
Yeah, so earlier this week, Indiana Fever upset the defending champion,
Minnesota linked fifty nine to seventy four to win the
Commissioners Cup. So when we relate that to the NBA.
They have the NBA Cup, which is like the n
season tournament. So what's even more impressive though, was Indiana
did it without their superstar, the face of the Caitlin Clark,
who's dealing with another injury, having now missed ten games

(01:59:28):
this season to sticking with the fever. Sophie Cunningham. She's
a teammate of Caitlin Clark. She's been making headlines, but
unfortunately for all the wrong reasons. So having been involved
with on court violent incidents the controversial comments on expansion
plans to eighteen teams by twenty thirty, Cunningham has become
somewhat polarizing to w NBA fans. The former Phoenix Mercury

(01:59:51):
player was traded to Indiana on January thirty one this year,
and it certainly made a presence start on and off
the court. She's productive as a two way plan seems
to be. I guess Cashing inside to speak on on
numerous social media platforms due to her actions, which many
we have a growing fan base recording Parney. I guess
it's the world we live in now that even bad news,
there is good news that people are at least talking

(02:00:13):
about you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
Yeah, well that's they say that the only thing worse
than being talked about is not being talked about, or
some words to that effect. And what's up on this
Red Panda?

Speaker 11 (02:00:24):
Come?

Speaker 12 (02:00:24):
What's this?

Speaker 11 (02:00:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:00:26):
I shouldn't really laugh because it was an unfortunate influence.

Speaker 5 (02:00:29):
So yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:00:31):
So.

Speaker 10 (02:00:31):
One of the more usual headlines that came out this
week was the injury sustained by legendary halftime entertainer. She's
known as Red Panda, and she performed during the Commissioner's
Cup Final during the half time entertainment slog. She lost
their balances to really fractured her risk while performing. The
fifty something fourth generation acrobat and unly cycled artists been
over eleven hours in the hospital and was released to

(02:00:53):
begin her rehab expected to take a few months, but
their agency, she was grateful for all the kind bushes
and alb overwhelming support which meant the world here. After
the final ended, the Victoria's Indiana Fever team sent their
love on socral media and thoughts to the beloved Chinese
American performer. So am I sitting to another wise unforeseen
missat Deer Pony?

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
Yeah, well, we wish you're all the best In her
recovery and finally to the NFL, which is not far
away from starting. I know you're looking forward to this,
as am I A major signing in college though, that
you've got to tell us about.

Speaker 10 (02:01:28):
Yes, So there was a young offensive tackle. His name's
Dudix Ojo, so he made headlines this week. So he's
what they call a five star recruit from Texas and
he's entering his senior year at a high school. So
he's still in high school, but he committed to a
fully guaranteed three year contract with the Texas Tech University
at worth over five million dollars. Now they're highly sought

(02:01:50):
after six foot seven, one hundred and thirty kilgram recruits.
Signed the contract just days ago on his seventeenth birthday.

Speaker 8 (02:01:57):
So, as I've mentioned.

Speaker 10 (02:01:58):
Before, the sporting landscape in American college sports has totally
changed since NIL, which is named Image and Likeness, the
transfer portal, and more recently the federal courts allowing colleges
to directly pay their athletes to the historical and there's
alone no limit to what these student athletes can now win.
So the money being thrown around is real, crazy, Piney,
but I feel it's a positive as the NC double A,

(02:02:20):
once considered a titan in college sports, it's really weakened
with the PowerShift to the colleges. Now oh one other
things you alluded to as role that the best news
is at college football and the NFL regular season kicks
off from only sixty days time. Life doesn't get any
bit of their pining.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
I know you've got to love on you all, Leon,
you're talking off the days. We'll talk to you as
it draws closer the NFL season in early August. Always
good to get the state side lowdown from you, Leon Busby,
our American sport expert here on Weekend Sport, coming up
eight away from three.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every fail
Weekend Sport with Jason Pin News Talks.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
Mb Fie and that is us on Weekend Sport for
today and in fact for the weekend. It's been a
great pleasure bringing you the shows this weekend from Dunedin.
I'm actually quite sad to leave the place. I love
it down here and I sincerely hope that they see
sense the powers that be and continue to give test
matches to Dunedin even when christ Church's brand new stadium arrives.

(02:03:26):
Definitely a place for July test matches here in Dunedin.
Huge thanks to any McDonald for producing across the weekend,
pulling together two great shows. Thanks mate. We'll reconvene tomorrow
night for Monday Night Sports talk of course, including Piney's
Power rankings. As we rake the weekend, Andrew Dickens is
on your radio after three o'clock with the Weekend Collective

(02:03:46):
and in terms of a song to take us out, well,
we've been in Dunedin where there's a stadium with a
roof on it, so up on the roof from the
drifters taking us out today seen tomorrow.

Speaker 15 (02:04:07):
And I keep telling you.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Right, smack Dad in the middle of abal barrel les,
trouble through.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
And him will start getting down.

Speaker 4 (02:04:31):
Let up for.

Speaker 7 (02:04:34):
A border.

Speaker 1 (02:04:38):
A bordery. For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine,
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