July 5, 2025 • 8 mins
This week, Piney was joined by the one-and-only James McOnie to recap the All Blacks' win over France, the Māori All Blacks' defeat to Scotland and Diogo Jota's death.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalks'b.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Kath sadly have only just been able to tune in,
so I don't know if you've discussed this, but why
do they kick the ball away instead of passing it?
Thanks Kath, Hey, James mcconey, Why did they kick the
ball away instead of passing it?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, that's one of my points as well. Why are
they doing it? And are they doing it the right way?
Because I do wonder whether our kick strategy is correct
when we actually dominated so many of the stats, and
you can go on Rugby Pass is a really good website. Actually,
if you want to take a look at the possession territory,
all that stuff was stacked in the all Blacks favor.
(00:45):
I mean, yeah, the TMO and denied us a couple
of times, but no real excuse, is it? Really?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No? No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Did you enjoy watching some deboos last night? Big Fabian
Holland are quite like the look of this guy?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, he was my pick of the debutants, Big Fabian
Holland and because he's so big you can't miss him,
but play in the eighty minutes, just a big go
shifting bodies around the place. Because you know, you can
have your your slim line locks, but the guys who
really can do a bit of both, you know, move
the pianos and also go up and get are or
like Circa. So let you need someone like that, and
(01:22):
I think Babian Holland fits the bild. He looks a
lot like Hibinetz a bit, doesn't He's.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Crazy, he said last night I did a postmatch with
him and he said, look, I said, how's it feel,
you know, debuting or something? You know, something similarly in
Nane and he said, he said, all these guys I've
always looked up to. He's about two meters ten. It
was quite a good phrase.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's the first time on Sky I've seen Joey Wheeler
having to look up a little bit when he's doing
an interview. And by the way, Joey Wheeler is an
absolute breath of fresh air on TV. I love his
interviews and his energy and I know some people can
mudgeons will go, you know, but I think he's outstanding
at what he does. And if you want to look
at the pre match, if they show it, he does
(02:07):
a story that morning with the All Blacks serving coffee
in the cafe and Dnevan and it's great TV.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I think they've got a really good mix, you know,
and I need they need the I'm not saying he
doesn't know anything about rugby, because he does clearly, but yeah,
I love the authenticity he brings. I totally agree. And
he's like that off the year too. You would have
met him. I'm sure he's exactly the same when he's
not on camera. Hey, Mary or Black Scotland. Scotland won
this game.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Oh I know. And also I mean the thing about
it is like they've got nine players away with the Lions,
so they are in the strength, but it's still is
a Tier one nation. But the thing is it was
a thriller and they lost. The mary Or Blacks lost
by three points, but they had a number of penalties
near the death. And I'm just wondering, is a draw
not good enough? I mean, surely a drawer is okay.
(02:55):
I mean, you have a better night after drawing with
a Tier one nation than losing, you know. So I'm
saying it now, if I can't be a winner, I'd
rather be a drawer than the loser.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think that's a fair I think that's a fair call,
isn't it. If one of the options is to lose
the game and the other options not to lose the game,
you take the second one, don't you?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Totally? And also Pony just to go back to the
all blacks in case we're leaving the all black. So
I was going to say, I've been listening to callers
and I love the callers the day after a test match.
You must enjoy it as well I do. And they're
making some bloody good points out there. And one of
the ones that I like is I think Tupo VI.
I think Raser is doing the right thing there. He's
(03:37):
never going to be a power number six like Jerome
Cano and Channon Frizzell, but he's an effort guy and
when with that it means just covering more territory, getting
you know, doing more of that dirty work. And I
think he's perfect. So let just keep that experiment rolling.
It was worth throwing the dice with a few of
those things, two po Vi being one and the other
(04:00):
the other one. I actually thought with Bowden settling in
there at number ten, he really saved us last night Boden.
He kicked every single goal he had to the triassus
and like I said, once you iron out some of
those kick decisions. I just think that Bowden looked really
good at number ten, and even with the maat coming on,
just having the two playmakers out there. Can we possibly
(04:24):
do that again? I know it happened because Seem got injured,
but I did like it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I totally agree about Boden baron at ten. I
thought he had an assured game and his goalkicking is
as good. He's so effortless. I was watching him kick
goals from sideline last night. He's just effortless. Anyway, we
move on, Can I ask him aout the Lions? Andy
Ferrell's got a son in the team.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Now, yeah, exactly. This is the I mean, we talk
about nepo babies. If you hit that turn, piney.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I have now.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, a neo baby is just nepotism, someone picking their son.
I mean, we've all worked for companies where the you know,
the son of the boss ends up leap frogging everyone
and running the company. And you know you have to
be careful of those drinks and stuff, don't you know
what you say? But look, this is this is just
a classic case of yes, Owen Farrell has got, you know,
(05:12):
an amazing CV of winning and playing for the Lions
and all that sort of stuff, But really this is
be careful what you wish for, because I think it's
a decision like this can unsettle the camp. And bringing
someone him in like that, I just think you just
lose respect from the troops. So I love Andy Farrell.
(05:34):
I'm sure his heart's in the right place, but a
guy who hasn't played for a while, he's been struggling
for fitness, and to go ahead of all those other ones,
I mean, yes, you're getting an experienced player, but then
that that really signals that he's going to make the
Test side, doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Really?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Now I think I know, I think you're right. I
think you're right one because they had I was just
gonna i'most want to move on. But they had a
at least convincing win over the war task last night,
didn't They put fifty on the fours, fifty on the reds.
They were less convincing last night.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, what should we do? Should we got time for
the warriors as well? Or should we just move on
to the Pony.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think we can. I think you've got I'd like
to I'd like to talk Diego Jotta. This is just
absolutely dreadful news, the death in a car accident this
week of one of Liverpool's first team players at the
age of twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's just life's not fair. I mean,
the only reason he was in a car is because
they told him not to take a flight back to England,
so he is going to the ferry terminal in northern Spain.
So this is a weird thing right now when you
look at it. He would have been on cloud nine
before that, has won the League with Liverpool, won the
European Nation's Cup final with Portugal, and married his childhood
(06:55):
sweet out. They had three kids together. It's twenty eight
years old, and then that happens. It's just so devastating.
I know you're a Liverpool fan, Poney, but also I
think for anybody who's lost someone in your lives is
young and I know that's happened to you, It's happened
to me. My best friend died in a car crash
when he was eighteen, just outside of Tao Mutu. It's
(07:15):
absolutely devastating. There's nothing you can do to change that
that hurt really apart from just remember that. You know,
sometimes you just have to appreciate the people around you.
Appreciate those days if you are in a car with
someone turning them and tell them that you love them.
You need to care now rather than worrying about what's
happening here because you just don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Pon him, Walk God, where.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
An you.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks at B Weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalks'b.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Kath sadly have only just been able to tune in,
so I don't know if you've discussed this, but why
do they kick the ball away instead of passing it?
Thanks Kath, Hey, James mcconey, Why did they kick the
ball away instead of passing it?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, that's one of my points as well. Why are
they doing it? And are they doing it the right way?
Because I do wonder whether our kick strategy is correct
when we actually dominated so many of the stats, and
you can go on Rugby Pass is a really good website. Actually,
if you want to take a look at the possession territory,
all that stuff was stacked in the all Blacks favor.
(00:45):
I mean, yeah, the TMO and denied us a couple
of times, but no real excuse, is it? Really?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No? No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Did you enjoy watching some deboos last night? Big Fabian
Holland are quite like the look of this guy?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, he was my pick of the debutants, Big Fabian
Holland and because he's so big you can't miss him,
but play in the eighty minutes, just a big go
shifting bodies around the place. Because you know, you can
have your your slim line locks, but the guys who
really can do a bit of both, you know, move
the pianos and also go up and get are or
like Circa. So let you need someone like that, and
(01:22):
I think Babian Holland fits the bild. He looks a
lot like Hibinetz a bit, doesn't He's.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Crazy, he said last night I did a postmatch with
him and he said, look, I said, how's it feel,
you know, debuting or something? You know, something similarly in
Nane and he said, he said, all these guys I've
always looked up to. He's about two meters ten. It
was quite a good phrase.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's the first time on Sky I've seen Joey Wheeler
having to look up a little bit when he's doing
an interview. And by the way, Joey Wheeler is an
absolute breath of fresh air on TV. I love his
interviews and his energy and I know some people can
mudgeons will go, you know, but I think he's outstanding
at what he does. And if you want to look
at the pre match, if they show it, he does
(02:07):
a story that morning with the All Blacks serving coffee
in the cafe and Dnevan and it's great TV.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I think they've got a really good mix, you know,
and I need they need the I'm not saying he
doesn't know anything about rugby, because he does clearly, but yeah,
I love the authenticity he brings. I totally agree. And
he's like that off the year too. You would have
met him. I'm sure he's exactly the same when he's
not on camera. Hey, Mary or Black Scotland. Scotland won
this game.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Oh I know. And also I mean the thing about
it is like they've got nine players away with the Lions,
so they are in the strength, but it's still is
a Tier one nation. But the thing is it was
a thriller and they lost. The mary Or Blacks lost
by three points, but they had a number of penalties
near the death. And I'm just wondering, is a draw
not good enough? I mean, surely a drawer is okay.
(02:55):
I mean, you have a better night after drawing with
a Tier one nation than losing, you know. So I'm
saying it now, if I can't be a winner, I'd
rather be a drawer than the loser.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think that's a fair I think that's a fair call,
isn't it. If one of the options is to lose
the game and the other options not to lose the game,
you take the second one, don't you?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Totally? And also Pony just to go back to the
all blacks in case we're leaving the all black. So
I was going to say, I've been listening to callers
and I love the callers the day after a test match.
You must enjoy it as well I do. And they're
making some bloody good points out there. And one of
the ones that I like is I think Tupo VI.
I think Raser is doing the right thing there. He's
(03:37):
never going to be a power number six like Jerome
Cano and Channon Frizzell, but he's an effort guy and
when with that it means just covering more territory, getting
you know, doing more of that dirty work. And I
think he's perfect. So let just keep that experiment rolling.
It was worth throwing the dice with a few of
those things, two po Vi being one and the other
(04:00):
the other one. I actually thought with Bowden settling in
there at number ten, he really saved us last night Boden.
He kicked every single goal he had to the triassus
and like I said, once you iron out some of
those kick decisions. I just think that Bowden looked really
good at number ten, and even with the maat coming on,
just having the two playmakers out there. Can we possibly
(04:24):
do that again? I know it happened because Seem got injured,
but I did like it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I totally agree about Boden baron at ten. I
thought he had an assured game and his goalkicking is
as good. He's so effortless. I was watching him kick
goals from sideline last night. He's just effortless. Anyway, we
move on, Can I ask him aout the Lions? Andy
Ferrell's got a son in the team.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Now, yeah, exactly. This is the I mean, we talk
about nepo babies. If you hit that turn, piney.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I have now.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, a neo baby is just nepotism, someone picking their son.
I mean, we've all worked for companies where the you know,
the son of the boss ends up leap frogging everyone
and running the company. And you know you have to
be careful of those drinks and stuff, don't you know
what you say? But look, this is this is just
a classic case of yes, Owen Farrell has got, you know,
(05:12):
an amazing CV of winning and playing for the Lions
and all that sort of stuff, But really this is
be careful what you wish for, because I think it's
a decision like this can unsettle the camp. And bringing
someone him in like that, I just think you just
lose respect from the troops. So I love Andy Farrell.
(05:34):
I'm sure his heart's in the right place, but a
guy who hasn't played for a while, he's been struggling
for fitness, and to go ahead of all those other ones,
I mean, yes, you're getting an experienced player, but then
that that really signals that he's going to make the
Test side, doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Really?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Now I think I know, I think you're right. I
think you're right one because they had I was just
gonna i'most want to move on. But they had a
at least convincing win over the war task last night,
didn't They put fifty on the fours, fifty on the reds.
They were less convincing last night.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, what should we do? Should we got time for
the warriors as well? Or should we just move on
to the Pony.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think we can. I think you've got I'd like
to I'd like to talk Diego Jotta. This is just
absolutely dreadful news, the death in a car accident this
week of one of Liverpool's first team players at the
age of twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's just life's not fair. I mean,
the only reason he was in a car is because
they told him not to take a flight back to England,
so he is going to the ferry terminal in northern Spain.
So this is a weird thing right now when you
look at it. He would have been on cloud nine
before that, has won the League with Liverpool, won the
European Nation's Cup final with Portugal, and married his childhood
(06:55):
sweet out. They had three kids together. It's twenty eight
years old, and then that happens. It's just so devastating.
I know you're a Liverpool fan, Poney, but also I
think for anybody who's lost someone in your lives is
young and I know that's happened to you, It's happened
to me. My best friend died in a car crash
when he was eighteen, just outside of Tao Mutu. It's
(07:15):
absolutely devastating. There's nothing you can do to change that
that hurt really apart from just remember that. You know,
sometimes you just have to appreciate the people around you.
Appreciate those days if you are in a car with
someone turning them and tell them that you love them.
You need to care now rather than worrying about what's
happening here because you just don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Pon him, Walk God, where.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
An you.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks at B Weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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