Full Show Podcast: 12 July 2025

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from News Talks ed B.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
July twelfth, the day.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
The Old Blacks can close out the series or will
the second string French pull out of first rate performance.
Fady Blacks coming to you from the Wellington waterfront, where
the excitement is stronger than a Southerly in the capitol,
Live from Shed twenty two. It's Weekend Sport with Jason
Pine on your home of Sport News Talks ed B.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, curly it afternoon. Welcome into Weekend Sport on News
Talks ed B. As the man said quite emphatically, Saturday,
July twelve, Happy birthday to Poorscha Woodman Whitcliffe. She'll plan
on the right wing for the Black Ferns against Australia
this afternoon on her thirty fourth birthday. I'm Jason Pine
Show producer Andy McDonald on the day of the second
All Blacks test of the year and an international double

(01:05):
header of course, with the Blacks meeting Australia for the O'Reilly Cup.
The show is coming to you from the wonderful Shed
twenty two on Wellington's waterfront as we build towards a
four thirty kickoff in the early game Black Ferns the Australia,
then seven o'clock tonight or just after All Blacks v.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
France. For those who know Wellington, Shared twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Is to form a max bar right on the edge
of Odland's Plaza on Tallanucky Street Wharf, one of the
best venues in the capitol. On match day like today,
already starting to fill up. You can probably hear the
onbionce and the backgrounds. A number of punters have taken
the opportunity to get their afternoon going. Wide range of
beers here, including Export Ultra, a flavor packed menu, one

(01:48):
of the best waterfront views. Wellington has to offer the
perfect harbourside location to grab some lunch, to drink, maybe
something to fortify you for the day and the night ahead,
and really just a very very easy stroll down to
the stadium as well. If you're in the area, pop
in and say hello. We're here at Shed twenty two
until three o'clock this afternoon. An all star cast joining

(02:10):
us on the show today our most capped all Black
center Conrad Smith kicks us off in just a moment.
Another double World Cup win, Victor Victor later on the hour.
Another All Black's legend, Dane Coles, is going to pop
in a bit later on, as is Hurricanes and former
England international Brad Shields Hurricanes centurion that is, and former
England loose forward Brad Shields. Plenty of time, Plenty of

(02:32):
time for your pregame thoughts and predictions as well. You
can starting in the three of your like on text
or on the phone. More on that in the moment.
Other matters around today Big eight Days in Wellington actually
next Saturday, the football posts will be up at sky
Stadium with Wrexham in town to play the Wellington PHOANIX.
A couple of Knicks players, Corbyn Piper and Isaac Hugh's
going to stop in after two, as well as a

(02:54):
couple of their more passionate fans. A big change at
red Ball this week, team principal Christian Horner relieved of
his duties after two decades.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
With the team.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's been a fairly ordinary season for red Ball. Going
to unpack that for you with Barry Tomlinson after one o'clock.
Adam Peacock out of Australia as per usual on a
Saturday Live Sport the first of the National Basketball League
semi tips off at two o'clock this afternoon in christ Church,
the two time defending champion Canterbury Rams up against the
Southland Sharks.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Will keep our eyes on that for you.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
As mentioned, your calls and correspondence always encouraged and that
is no different today even if we are on site.
In fact, it might compel you to pop by and
see us at Shed twenty two. We might even shout
you a drink who knows oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty gets you throw on the phone nineteen ninety
two for your texts, emails and to me Jason at
NEWSTALKSEDB dot co dot nz.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Coming up eleven past.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Midday analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.
Weekend Sport with Jason Pine Call eight hundred and eighty
and eighty News Talks MB.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
And a so called second strength Frank side has delivered
a first rate performance. But the All Blacks hang on
twenty test number one of twenty twenty five thirty one
twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
So that was under the roof a week ago in
dneed and pleaded a work on for the All Blacks
and we'll get into that and maybe get your views
on the biggest work ons.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
That are required ahead of tests too.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
But great to open the show with one of our
greatest and in fact, one of the world's greatest ever
rugby centers. He made his Test debut in two thousand
and four, scored with his first touch on debut against Italy.
From two thousand and eight onwards, he and are nono
formed and outstanding and basically undroppable midfield pairing. He played

(04:47):
ninety four Test matches, the most by any All Black center,
scoring twenty six tries. A World Cup winner in twenty eleven,
again in twenty fifteen, and he played one hundred and
twenty six games for the Hurricanes, captaining the side from
twenty twelve until twenty fifteen, and made a member of
the New Zealand Order of Merit the services to rugby

(05:09):
in twenty sixteen. Who else but Conrad Smith who joins
us now on the phone? Conrad, thanks for taking the time.
Can we actually start in your former position? How do
you assess Billy Procter's ability to become the long term
wearer of the thirteen jersey for the All Blacks.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
Yeah, I'm a big fan of beliefs I think he's
shown real class and promise from what we've seen it
with Super Rugby and with the Hurricanes, and so obviously
the challenge for him is to do that on the
international stage. I think he's got all the skills and

(05:47):
from what I know, the guy the mental game as
well to handle that. So look, I'm really excited. I
love watching the guy play and the head of him.
Now he's going to there'll be a bit of luck.
You've got to keep himself healthy. He's got to keep
a position in the spot. I think. You know, again,

(06:08):
it's it's like anyone that's starting out. You don't want
to put pressure on someone. But I think he is
up to it, and I think he has the potential
to actual solidify that that spot for however long he
wants to. So, yeah, he's an exciting prospect, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
You mentioned the mental side of the game there, What
or how important is the is the mental side of
playing in that pretty crucial position in the back line.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Yeah, and I don't think that's position specific. I just
think that's handling the step up to international rugby. You've
got to be have a good attitude about yourself. You've
got to have a first for knowledge. You've got to
be have that understanding. You know, you've got to have
some confidence, but also willing enough to learn. And I

(06:57):
think that's a that's a fine balance. And you know,
so when you when I talk about the mental game,
that's that whole attitude towards you your footy and attitude
towards being coached and working with teammates and all of that.
And so that that I don't know Billy real well
and never play with some haven't haven't coached him, but
I know enough to think that that side is a

(07:20):
street of this game. And in terms of what that
means for anyone at international level, like that's that's the difference.
You know, you're skill set gets you're there, how long
you start international level is large. It depends on you
know your mental side, how you canform under treasure and
how you work within a team environment. So yeah, that's

(07:42):
what I say. It's exciting for him and there's a
few in that Bode, I'd say within within the current team.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Indeed, the twelve thirteen partnership feels very important on a
rugby field, and we've had some great ones yourself and
and onho of course for over a decade Frank Buns
and Walter Little in the nineties. How long do partnerships
like that take to forge and to become really cohesive?

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Yeah, time is that. That's there's no doubt about that.
And I think everyone you mentioned there would would say
the same. You know, Mar and I. I think people
often forget we we started sort of playing competing for
a position back when we met each other two thousand
and two, two thousand and three, and it wasn't until
two thousand and eight that we had an all black

(08:27):
environment that we were at twelve thirteen, So that's a
long time. And then even then, you know, I think
our best rugby was a few years after that as
a partnership. So all of that time is important. You
learner to understand each other's game. And you know, I
talked about the mental side before you you understand I
think the key bit is how you your mental side,

(08:49):
so i'd know you know what ma, what made Mar
take what he did under pressure and likewise you know
he did the same for me. And when you can
pick those tues up from each other and actually help
you if you are under pressure, how you help teammate
it out of that position and start thinking clearly and
back on your gain. That that's that's the goal that

(09:10):
comes with experience. And look at as I say, it's
often time, but you can't put in and speed that proce.
He suck with good people around you and that and
that's what I think we were lucky with some new
black environment. I know there's good people doing that conquer
as well.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
And he's still playing.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Man listening, I say, he's got another contract at the
age of forty three.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Do you talk to him at all much? Have you
seen him later?

Speaker 7 (09:35):
It's just warm down willing. I'll you catch up with
them tonight tomorrow and for sure like that's you know,
you talk about that experience a great thing of rugby.
You know we we we start down as computers and
now you end up with best mates. And uh, look,
he's someone he still inspires me the fact that he's
still going and and it's one thing to be still

(09:55):
going at the you know, the major league rugby. He
was playing in America, but to the signing on the
top fourteen team in France, that's that's some serious rugby
he's playing. So he's he's a frequment out fleet and
that's no fluke.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
Like you know the guy.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
He still is professional about his game as he's ever
been and that's the reason he's still getting contracts. And
he'll he'll keep playing until, as I say, to a
few until someone dragged him off the field. So I
wouldn't be surprised if it's not the last time Brilliant.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Well, we watched with interest to how long he goes?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Can we come back to the to the Test match
tonight off the back of the winning Dunedin last weekend? Conrad,
what do you think the major improvements the coaching staff
and the players will be looking for in the second
Test tonight?

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yeah, I think there will be a bit you know,
there'll be some specific things around, you know, the high ball,
which was a bit of a talking point, and I
think we're better than what we showed on the weekend
and that can take a bit of a bit of time.
But also just well we talked a bit about the combinations,
but just some of the fluidity on attack. I actually

(11:02):
thought we created some really good opportunities.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I was.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
I was pretty excited out what I saw in terms
of what they offered the variation on attack. That's what
I personally love seeing I get a bit worried when
I see teams becoming really predictable, which I think Rugby
fell into a trap for a few for a couple
of years. But certainly you know the tribes being scored nowadays,

(11:25):
as in the last sort of twelve eighty months, teams
have really brought different things into their attack in shape
and I liked actually what I saw last week, and
so I think is there's just a you know, one
more week of experience and even the training, so they'll
get passes that stuck and options being taken that at
the right times. Then yeah, fact a big difference on

(11:48):
the scoreboard.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
And the weather in Wellington always becomes a bit of
a talking point. It looks like it should be okay tonight,
But what was it like playing at sky Stadium on
those those wet, windy nights.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
Yeah, you never knew what you're involved in there. Now
it's actually the blue skies and feeling pretty good. I'd
love to play, but I know she's twelve hour, even
twenty minutes of a long time I've been willing to
that can all change. I mean I've playing enough tests.
I remember an Irish one where we are warmed up
and it was clear and fine. By the time we

(12:21):
came to check off, it was dropped something like six
degrees and it was roaring with rain. So that'll be
ready for that. Hopefully it's okay. But in terms of yeah,
the conditions, you just you can't plan too far ahead.
You're just going to be good enough to adapt to
whatever it throws at you. And I'm sure they would
have prepared for that and really really to adapt.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
And as far as your current involvement in the game
of rugby is concerned, Conrad, I know you did some
refereeing up in tananaky and you're on the board of
the Hurricanes Alumni which helps you know past and current
players with you know, with their transition and some difficult times.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Are you doing any coaching, any official involvement in that way.

Speaker 7 (13:03):
I'm not coaching so much. I mean I'm the role
and nash A Raby plars. So that's through world rugby
and we do a fair bit of work around the
game with referees, around the laws of the game and
some of the trends and what afluent sort of world
rugby can have on the game itself, what's being played
and Hey, I enjoyed that. I love the game. I

(13:25):
love staying involved. Coaching is not really for me, certainly
at the moment I had a face of that, but
I certainly you know, I love staying in fold the
greatest game on earth, and I think we need more people,
you know, in that corner supporting how good it is
for even for kids and for everyone. So I'm certainly

(13:46):
one of those. And my involvement, although it's not directly
on the field, as I say, doing a bit of
referring and in international rugby plas to stay connected and
what I can to make sure the game is still
played in great spirit and the camaraderie and all all
the great values that it teaches us as still to

(14:07):
the four for us to come hopefully.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Good man, Conrad, I know you've got a busy schedule.
Today is always over test weekend. Thanks for taking some
time with us. Really appreciate you joining us this afternoon,
no problem, No, thank you Conrad for joining us. Conrad
Smith on weekend sport with us. One of the greatest
who ever play the game, certainly in the number thirteen Jersey.
More on that in a sec Come to your life
from Shed twenty two Tallanucky Street Wharf today and it

(14:32):
really is starting to hum in here.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
I can see plenty of all black GeV I few.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Chiefs polo shirts, which is a bit bold here in Willington,
but I guess you know. You fly your flag, you
fly your colors wherever you may be popping and see
us if you like. Shed twenty two is on Tatananucky
Street Wharf, just tucked in alongside Odland's Plaza. You've heard
from one of our best in the thirteen Jersey. Can
you hear your views now? On eight hundred and eighty

(14:58):
ten eighty The center position is really interesting for me.
It strikes me tonight as a potentially pivotal night in
the career of Billy Procton because there's been quite the
clamor for him to be given a shot at center
last year.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
I think there was.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Dissatisfaction in many quarters, mainly in the capital but other
places too that he wasn't given a shot in the
thirteen Jersey during the Rugby Championship, and then on the
end of year tour he returned home to be with
his partner as she gave birth, so his opportunities last
year were limited. This year he's been given the thirteen jersey,

(15:39):
and he's been given it for a couple of tests
in succession, at least to start the season. Now he
would concede. I think that last weekend he had what
you could probably describe as a mixed night in Dunedin.
He wouldn't look back on it with one hundred percent fondness,
mister tackle for a French try. There was one occasion

(16:01):
where something very Unbilly Procton like. He threw a pass
from the base of a ruck so basically nobody about
fifteen meters behind where anybody else was. It was very
unlike him, so he had a couple of moments he'd
probably be keen to tidy up. But tonight on his
home grounds he gets another shot, added a chance to
say I am the first choice all black center. I'm

(16:24):
going to wear that jersey from now until the next
Rugby World Cup. And as Conrad said, midfield partnerships take
time to develop, but once you find one, they can
become so important to you on both sides of the ball,
and good midfield partnerships become almost synonymous with one another,
don't they. You can't mention one without thinking of the

(16:47):
other For Australia, Tim Horn and Walter and sorry, Jason
Little not Walter, he was a key with For France
Frank Manel and Philippe Sila, Jeremy Guscott and Will Carling
for England. For US Walter Little and Frank Buntz, mar
Nanu and Conrad Smith. Could Jordi Barrett and Billy Procter
be next iconic midfield combo? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

(17:11):
eighty If you'd like to answer that question, and how
are you feeling in general terms about tonight given the
context of last weekend? I remember saying last week I
was confident that All Blacks would win, and they did,
but nowhere near as convincingly as I thought they would.
In fact, as most of us I didn't think, thought
or hoped that they would. But in my defense, in

(17:32):
my defense and probably in your defense as well, I
also said, the All Blacks are never perfect in game
one of any year, and there'll be some work on
for sure this week or will have been ahead of tonight?
Where would you have placed your focus? What are you
keen on seeing from the All Blacks tonight? Which is
better than last weekend? Under the roof in Dunedin, or
just some general thoughts on team selection and the censere

(17:56):
position in particular. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
our number ninety two ninety two if you would prefer
to correspond by text where it's shared twenty two.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
But you should about to hear us, okay, kid a Bruce.

Speaker 9 (18:09):
Yeah, No, I'm a I mean, I'm a Blue supporter,
but I like proper in the center position.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
I really rate him as a.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
Footballer, and he didn't, like you said, he had a
pretty mixed game last week. But I think you just
got to give the guy time, you know. And for me,
he's clearly the best center in New Zealand. Like he's
an out and out center. He's not like Rico who's

(18:40):
come in from another position to become a center. He
is a center. That's his position. And yes, I just
think that you just got to persevere with him. Let
him get used to international footy and I'm sure you know,
like he can iron out those mistakes and that and

(19:01):
really you know, become like you know, like a the center,
the go to center for the All Blacks.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
Well that's that's what I'm hoping anyway.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, I'm hoping the same, Bruce, because, like I say,
these combinations probably more than any other across a rugby field.
Do you think of the locking partnership or nine ten
combo or the back three or whatever. I feel like,
I feel like a midfield partnership needs time to develop.
So the sooner you land on who you're ideal, twelve
and thirteen are, I kind of feel like you have
to give them as many games together as possible. Just

(19:33):
from a Blues point of view. Then what do you
see as Rico Yowanni's role to playing the All Blacks
moving forward? Do you think he'll he'll be on the
wing for the big games at the next World Cup?

Speaker 11 (19:44):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (19:44):
Well, yeah, I don't know, mate, be honest, Like I personally,
I think that I actually don't think that we have
outstanding wingers in New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (19:58):
At the moment.

Speaker 9 (19:59):
I think like when you look at the class of
the wingers and the French, like Mate, they just leaned
us up last year, and like I think Sebi Reese's years,
his best years are behind him. I personally would be
investing in some of the young guys coming through like

(20:20):
Caleb Tangatao. Yeah, and some of those guys because I
just don't I think I think like basically, we need
to find guys with express pace, and we need to
find guys that have the skills that you know, like
the kick and regather, which is a real fundamental wing

(20:44):
skill I think that you need to have, and also
the ability.

Speaker 12 (20:48):
To take the high ball.

Speaker 9 (20:49):
And to be honest, I like a lot of the
sort of established wingers, I just don't think they're really
in the same class as some of the top You
look at the wingers in the South African side, Mate,
there absolutely superstars, brilliant and you just don't have anyone
like that at the moment.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
And I guess that's the happy part of that, Bruce,
is that as that last bit you said, at the moment,
because often what happens with wingers is it's the hot hand,
right you remember it. In the last World Cup, George
Bridge and sever Reese I think came in quite late
in the peace and became the starting wingers.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know that sever.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Reese will be a starting winger at the next World Cup.
I'm not sure whether Ricco Yuwanni will be or Caleb Clark.
I really like the look of Caleb Tonguetow like you,
it's a shame he's injured.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
I would have liked to have seen him.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Leroy Carter is another one perhaps, But there'll be others
who who stick their hand up over the next two
or three years. And I wonder whether you just you
wait till Super Rugby twenty twenty seven and whoever was
best in that in that colm you just you stick
them on the wing. I mean that's probably a little
bit you know, general, but yeah, I feel like it's
a hot hand kind of a position.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
You know. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
I mean, I like the I've been watching the Twinnings
and a couple of wingers there that look really good.
But I do think that we, yeah, we need to
be seriously looking at some of the younger talent because
I yeah, like when you compare the French wingers and
the South African wingers and that look, they're just like

(22:23):
they are outstanding footballers, man, and like we old guys
just you know, really aren't at that level at the moment.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
But I'm sure there'll be.

Speaker 9 (22:33):
Some young guys come through and you know, like yeah,
yes so, but yeah, so I've got my belt to
Rico to.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Be honest, mate, all right, good chat, Bruce. Thanks so
much for calling through with some excellent thoughts, mate, really
appreciate it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our number if you'd like to jump aboard if you're
coming through on text. But the best way to make
your point is on the phones. There was a spare
line there, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The
background noise you can hear of just tuning in is
that of Shed twenty two in downtown Wellington where we're
coming to you from today.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Chris.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Is Jason A presenting the show from Anywhere Hamilton for
Test three next week? Chris happily, Yes, happily. We're locked
into the Roaming Giants, a place I've never been. I've
never been to the Roaming Giant in Hamilton. I'm looking
forward very much to being their next Saturday between midday
and three. If you're in that region, Chris, that's the

(23:24):
reason you're asking the question, pop on down. We'd love
to have the chance to chat to you half past
twelve on news Talks hereb it's going.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
To break away when come back.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
More of your calls, Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty any feature of the All Blacks and particularly
the center position.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Kenda chat about today back after.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
This good week Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington.
It's Weekend Sport with Jason Finn and GJ. Gunner Homes
New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks, abe.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
A News Talks HEVB twelve thirty three. Yes, come to
your Life from Shed twenty two and Wellington. Okay, we're
a report my on side, Executive producer Zoe. He's just
gone outside to check on it. I don't have a
great view from where I am, but excuse me, parent,
it's absolutely pouring down out there at the moment. So
that is forecast today for Wellington, cloudy with a few
showers easing for a time this evening. Northerly's fresh at times,

(24:13):
so it's a bit of a mixed bag. They're almost
edging their bets, aren't they when they say at times
easing for a time fresh at times they're just having
a guess, aren't they. In many ways that's that it's okay,
Come kick off, George, Hello mate.

Speaker 13 (24:29):
Good afternoon, Piney.

Speaker 8 (24:30):
How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Georgian side Shared twenty two better than being outside Shared
twenty two by the sounds of it, definitely.

Speaker 13 (24:37):
I'm lost the coach of the eighty five and Wellington
and that is that is chucking it down. Hey, you're
fully prop the rico. Yeah, I hope it's not. You know,
I hope it's not make or breaking civital times for
Billy just yet. I think coaches have a really important
role to play at this stage of someone's career, where
they've got to make sure they feel that the player

(24:57):
themselves feels comfortable and supported in that position, because you know,
the best out of a player when they feel as
though they've got the backing of coaches and selection and
they're not, you know, playing playing for the selection next week,
if you know what I mean. So, I'd like to
see Billy given a bit of time in the saddle
to prove it's worse than an adjust to the step up,

(25:19):
because he's got all the the caliber of skills that
can make it at this level. When you hear a
guy like corner Ed Smith been so complimentary of his coachability.

Speaker 12 (25:29):
I mean, you know, if someone worth sticking to.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, I look, I agree, and then I look around
as well, George, and I think, okay, if it's not
Billy and it's not Rico, then who is the center?
And I know Anthony Lennart Brown, you know, is very
valuable for his versatility. He can play twelve and thirteen
and maybe that's.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
His role to play.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
But I look around and I wonder if it's not
one of those two, then who might it be. I'm
like you, but I'm very biased. I'm from Wellington. I've
watched a lot of Billy prop to play and I'm
glad he's got the opportunity. But like you, I think
they need probably more than any partnership in a rugby team.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
The twelve and thirteen need time together.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And thankfully Jordy and Billy will probably get there for
the Hurricanes, and I hope they also do for the
All Blacks over certainly this year.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
In the next couple.

Speaker 12 (26:14):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 13 (26:14):
I think it's going to be the next point. I
think it's probably not Rico that it's going to ultimately
put the most pressure on him.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
It's probably Leonard Brown.

Speaker 13 (26:23):
Given the winger stops to where they are, I think
it's important that Rico gets a bit of time to
get from eliar back on the wing twenty eighteen.

Speaker 12 (26:30):
There was a long time.

Speaker 13 (26:31):
Ago when he was so legal there, so it's not
given he's going to pick up where he left off
on the wing.

Speaker 10 (26:36):
But see your caller's point before, where it's a position.

Speaker 13 (26:40):
We're very light on in the wing compared to to
the midfield. So I think they're a better place to
who's here with Rico back there and really throw some
trust and Billy at center because he's got all the
skills to do the job really well and play the
wide game.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Good Man, Where are you playing today?

Speaker 7 (26:56):
Mate?

Speaker 8 (26:58):
Rup with Calvin for.

Speaker 12 (27:00):
The university ground.

Speaker 13 (27:01):
So yeah, the mighty under eighty five kg grade is thriving,
but very hard for the young fellows to throw the
ball around and get the school it was going when
it's it's foggy as it's been the last.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
But a coaching a coaching challenge for you, A coaching
challenge for you, George, A coaching challenge a.

Speaker 13 (27:19):
Right hard so hard to wrack and wall it up
there the cats cross that are eighty two kg ringing
with but a good challenge all the saving and the boys.

Speaker 10 (27:28):
Are they really enjoy it, good Man?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Good on you make Grady chat has always always enjoy
your calls. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty as our
number as we come to your life from Shed twenty
two on a day.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
That's but wait at the moment, but don't worry, it'll improve,
Hello Jeff.

Speaker 14 (27:43):
Yeah, it's for the All Blacks And I think that
that I'm going to say. I think that guy who
said about the wingers we don't have any decent wingers.
I don't think that's very fair because heaps of times
the ball never got through the back line and got

(28:05):
to the winger. So how can the wingers run and
score if you look at if you look at different countries,
they run more and pass more. Who's the All Blacks
had a little bit inclined to barge more and they
get it. They get they're not going to bard through

(28:25):
those through the other team.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Never in Phoenix Chief last week, you know Will Jordan
did get two tries and had a third one chalked off.

Speaker 14 (28:39):
Yeah, this doesn't magnificent life. I will give them credit
for that, but that's only once. The running ball is
the best ball and passing not barging, and it's kind
of a kicking instead of kicking right, big long cats
down there. Sure, sometimes they've got to get out of trouble,

(28:59):
out of danger, I will agree, But lots of times
they could have put a nice up and under and
gave the All Blacks a chance to get there and
get the ball. And I feel as though there was
just far too much kicking, far too much barge in
and only once that I was Barrett get over there,

(29:22):
which was a magnificent.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Try.

Speaker 14 (29:26):
So all I can say is good luck to the
All Blacks tonight, and I hope they agree with France
on Jeff.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
No, good on you, mate, that's a good call. Let's barging,
let's kicking. More passing for you, Jeff. I don't mind
it as a mentra. Hello, Henry, very good, thanks mate.

Speaker 12 (29:42):
Hey he is a good game.

Speaker 10 (29:45):
But what if David HARVILLI plays really well in some lines?

Speaker 13 (29:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (29:49):
What are they going to look at it?

Speaker 8 (29:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
More of a second five though, right, David Harvilly. I
don't think I've ever seen him play at center. I
think a lot of people realize that David Harvilly is
a very handy rugby player to have in your team.
You can cover other positions as well. But yeah, I
don't know. I feel we've got a lot of good
twelves at the moment, Henry.

Speaker 10 (30:08):
Yeah, we seemed to that, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes. Yeah, I'm
looking Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
That.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
That ANZAC fifteen game will be interesting, you know, because
they haven't been together very long, have they. The you know,
the Australia and New Zealand Invitational team. It's almost a
little bit like a Barbarian side, isn't it. And the
Lions are starting to really grow into their work over
there by the looks of things. So yeah, I'm quite
quite interested to see how the Kiwi boys go. Not
enough black in the jersey for me, Henry, it seems

(30:38):
to be very very gold. That jersey needs some more blackness,
you know.

Speaker 12 (30:45):
You like to company on.

Speaker 10 (30:47):
Can you complain about that?

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I don't know who you complain to, Henry, somebody probably Mate,
somebody Ian Foster part of the coaching stuff as well.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Good on you, Henry, good the chat mate.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
A couple of texta here looking forward to wrecking ball
Tava Tava Naway coming on tonight.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
That boy is not a one dimensional player.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I'm looking forward to seeing him as well. I would
have liked it on a drier night, But what can
you do. You can't control the weather, can you. There's
nothing you can do about the weather as far as
deboos and that sort of thing of concerned. So yeah
to Mothy Tava Tavanao, looking forward to seeing how he
goes when he gets some opportunity out there tonight, Vicky says, Oh, mate,

(31:29):
Jeff a spot on. Our wingers are often twiddling their
thumbs out there. Stop the barging and flick the pull
to our speedy boys. Well, I hate to disappoint you
Vicky and you Jeff earlier, but I just get the
feeling that there'll be quite a bit of kicking tonight.
It just seems like that's the kind of game that
we are are setting ourselves up for, with the weather
being the way that it is, the way that France

(31:50):
want to play. I just get the feeling there'll be
a bit of kicking, a bit of kicking tonight, hopefully
a bit of running and passing as well. Nineteen away,
let's take a break. When we come back, Victor Vital
going to join us on the show.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Counting down to all Blacks v.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
France on your home of Sports Against some weekends Sport
Live from ten twenty two in Wellington with Jason Vine
and GJ. Gun The homes New Zealand's most trusted home
builder News talks'd be call.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
It to one Victor.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Victor played thirty three test matches for the All Blacks,
a double World Cup winner twenty eleven and twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Victor, thanks for joining us on the show.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
You were one of very few players who started for
the All Blacks in all three loose forward positions. So
once you get out there, how different are the three
roles in the heat of the battle?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, good question.

Speaker 16 (32:36):
I think the similarities would be that at the end
of the day, you've got to bring the physical intensity,
whether that's with the ball in hand or obviously in
the defensive line. But the roles themselves in my day anyway,
was was quite different.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Six. You were a lot more of the enforcer, the.

Speaker 16 (32:51):
One that was able to stem the flow of their
opposition forward started getting a roll on.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
All of a sudden, you see that six floy out and.

Speaker 16 (32:58):
Level them and basically put us on the front foot
again and just be their physical presence there and then
the several would be more of a feature and a
connector with its connecting link play providing, you know, just
for that kind of an exp between the backs.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Of the board, and then the number eight would be
a lot more across the line out.

Speaker 16 (33:16):
So I guess we had to agreed as well as
the fact that they're more responsible to all on hand
and potentially.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Helping with backfield cover and launching counter attacks.

Speaker 16 (33:23):
So yeah, similar roles in terms of the physical presence
that they need to have on both sides of the board,
but quite different in terms of what they look to bring.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Did you have a preference, victor What was your absolute preference?

Speaker 8 (33:36):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (33:37):
I think my absolute preference would have always been number eight.
I love playing eight with the Canes, but you know,
as a history would tell obviously, coming through with a
team like Richie, Kieran and Jerome on the flanks, it
just made me just slid on wherever I could.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
So you look at the current squad then, and you
talked about, you know, the similarities and the differences. Does
it really matter which number? Artie sa Via Wars he's
been wearing eight. He's seven tonight and has been for
more one of PACIFICA. Does it really matter which number
he is on.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think with the way that they're playing the game now,
I don't think so, not as much.

Speaker 16 (34:13):
I think he's going to be able to pretty much
come under his presence from wherever he is. I mean,
he's always going to be that seven might give him
a little bit more of a of an earnest to
go in there over the ball and try to steal everything,
but like that's that's what he does anyway, even when
he's got the eight jersey so and the ball in hand.
Being a big carrier for the team, that doesn't change,
you know, you know, to ball, he's obviously a good

(34:34):
carrier as well. But you'll have a few line our responsibilities,
whereas Artie and and Christian will probably be taking more
of the line's shot of the carrying. So it'll be
just interesting to see how how we hew it pans out.
But I'm pretty sure he can do whether it's seven
or eight. Ardie will just keep leading from the front and.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Dig you mentioned too there.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
What do you make of the I guess it's an
experiment to play him at six and see how he
goes there.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, look at the end of the days. You know,
it's a freak.

Speaker 16 (35:00):
So he's able to He's obviously giving us that aerial
advantage as well with with the Lucy's but you know,
he's he's shown you know, he's scored some some pretty
good tries with in open spaces. It's just that just
out of each of the physicality too, because he's got
it in him, and it's just something that that takes time.
You know, when I taught to Jerome as well, it
took him a bit of time to find because footing

(35:22):
with their physical presence and even myself was the exact
same thing. So it's at some stage you just got
to give someone the time to grow into that role.
And because that's something that you know, any all black team,
Lose Forward Trio or even the Ford Peak will always
needs as their physical dominance. And that's definitely something that
we're obviously just the working how.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Do you develop it or how do you how do
you work on on physicality?

Speaker 16 (35:48):
Look, obviously it's just not so much time in the gym,
but just time on the track and just confidence with
the guys in and around you. It's a real understanding
of your role. It's it's a whole bunch of stuff,
But most of it is just maturity really. You know,
when you're in your twenties, you can, you know, get tough,
and then you come and come across a farmer and
you find that you're not so tough anymore, you know.

(36:09):
So it's just the maturity of being in there long
enough to be able to cut your teeth and know
where you can and where you should be.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh yes, at the right time.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
What have you made of Duplaski's season, which has led
to his All Blacks call up.

Speaker 16 (36:25):
Oh look, he's been knocking on the door for a
long long time, and so to actually see him finally
gets rewarded with the knod look, it's pretty amazing. He
fully deserves it, and he's just the absolute example of
hustle and if it and not just that. But obviously
he's worked on his ball handling as well as his
actual carry game as well, which has been really good

(36:46):
to see, especially this season, which is of what I
think has led to the knot because he's always a
defensive threat, but now he's actually with the ball in hand,
he's been making breaks, putting away little link passes to
put other guys into space. I think that's the bit
of his game that's really made a difference, and I
really hope that he comes off the bench early. You know,
if the if the starting guys can sider good, Foreman

(37:07):
really just get his first test under his belt.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
You spent a lot of time at the back end
of your career playing in France, so presumably the competitiveness
of what was meant to be an under strength French
side last weekend didn't surprise you too much.

Speaker 16 (37:21):
No, it didn't really surprise me because I know how
how much respect that this team has to us, and
I think that's probably the bit that sort of set
us a little bit wrong, is that we probably disrespected
them a little bit as well, with the fact that
you know this thinking that this team they're just sending
an academy team over or whatever it is. But you
know they you know, they look forward to any game
against the All Blacks, and you can see that with
thespey that they've got over there. You know, if anyone

(37:43):
goes over to France and you see how they welcome us,
it's it's crazy. You know, they really do hold this
game in high stock, and it's the same for these
young guys too.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
And they're out there to make a name for themselves too.

Speaker 16 (37:53):
They very much know that this is their chance to
go against the world's best with a World Cup in
two years time.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
They're not taking this slightly.

Speaker 16 (38:00):
This is pretty much their chance to not only make
a name for themselves but then also hopefully get a
few more tests and for Faban Gotti makes that team
announcement in a couple of years time.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
And just back to your time in the Black Jersey, Victor,
you know you mentioned Richie McCaw, Karen Reed, Jerome kindor
there you played for the All Blacks in the time
of amazing loose forward depth with those guys and Thompson,
Sam Kaineley and mess A and others. What was it
like inside the All Blacks at that time with so
much competition for those loose forward spots.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 16 (38:30):
It was obviously hard to get a starting jersey, but
to the same token, it was probably if you're a
loose forward anywhere in the world, it was as especially
as a young boy coming through, there wasn't a better
place to learn. You know, you had three guys in
Jerome that you know that you mentioned in Jerome, Garrion
and Richie that were at absolute top of their games

(38:51):
all at the same time. And it's just been around that,
especially with even Liam who bought a lot of their physicality,
Sammy Kaine, tom O, you know, even with his lineout progress.
All these different guys that were literally at the top
of it, you know, absolute top of their games. I
think I definitely took a lot of learnings, you know,
for Rito and the way he likes to read a
line out and how he sees potential defensive openings for

(39:12):
him to run his lines.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
He always used to run great lines.

Speaker 16 (39:15):
And then Richie the way he used to approach the
breakdown and then obviously provide his look play. And then
there's Jerome just the way he sort of just assessed
something or just would know when to read that. So
they needed to happen defensively to turn the tide. It
was a great place to be a loose forward and
a great place to learn, and I think there was
something that was really awesome and the fact that we
could be one hundred percent competitive, knowing that we all

(39:37):
wanted that starting Jersey, but in the end knowing that
we were there to cooperate, and you know, so if
I'm sitting at the computers, will there'll be care in
there saying, oh, look look at these lineup. This is
how I look at it. And then it'll be Richie
doing the same, Jerome doing the same. It's just everyone
wanting to better each other. I think that's that was
a massive part of our success and it wasn't just
a loose towards.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Everyone was doing that. So great time to be a
part of insid rugby.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Indeed a golden perid that you were part of. To
really appreciate your time this afternoon, mate, Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Cheers finding cheers mate, Thank you mate.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
That is Victor, Victor joining us on Weekend Sport text
and from Upper Hut Sun's own and Uperhart piney in
Carpani says Peter high overcast rain stopped around eleven, no
wind where they're coming from this direction, so should improve.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
In Wellington by kickoff tonight. Thank you, Peter.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Seven away from one News talk to he'd be broadcasting
live from Shed twenty two this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington ahead of the
All Blacks Fee France Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and TJ.
Gardner Holmes New Zealand's most trusted home builder on your
home of Sport News Talk Sevy.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Far Away from one more. After one o'clock, we're going
to flick our attention across to Formula one with Christian
Horner being relieved of his duties this week as team
principal for Red Bull Racing. What does this mean for
Liam Wwson of course inside that stable and was this unexpected?
Was it a surprise or was it just a byproduct
of the rather ordinary season that Red Bull have been having,

(41:05):
even max for staff and finding it hard to drive
fast in those cars. Barry Tomlinson After one Dane Coles
is going to pop in for a chat. Look forward
to catching up with an All Blacks legend Dane Coles
and Adam Peacock out of Australia as well. If you're
going to pop down to Shed twenty two and say
good eight, we're here till three on Tartanucky Street.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Warf back after.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
One, bringing you the build up the battle a levant
as we count down to All Blacks v.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Fronts and a new era of All Black rugby.

Speaker 8 (41:37):
It's underway.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Lay to Lay, It's weekend Sports.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
We're Jason time Low from Shed twenty two and Wellington
on your home of Sport.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
U Stalk said, be here, Welcome to the show. Welcome
back to the show. As the case may be. One
O seven. I'm Jason Pine.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
This is Weekend Sport Live at Shed twenty two on
Tartanucky Street Wharf in downtown Ollington. As punters sort of
get themselves ready for kickoff which is now just on
six hours away. That's the All Blacks France game. Of course,
many of these punters will be heading down for the
early game as well. Double header international double header at

(42:13):
Sky Stadium today as the Black Ferns meet the Wallaroos.
It's the Australian women's side in the O'Reilly Cup match
at four point thirty this afternoon. So good to have
a double header in Wellington. Weather weather, it's changeable, shall
we say. I had a look at the forecast, and
again it's only the forecast, they're only really just having

(42:33):
a guess sometimes. But there's no rain forecast after about
four o'clock this afternoon, so if that holds true then
we should have at least dry conditions for the spectators
for both games. Northerly set of the around twenty to
twenty two kilometers an hour, as you'll know from sky Stadium,

(42:54):
though it tends to swirl around in there.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
It doesn't actually matter what the official wind direction is.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
It can it can swirl, and often you see the
corner flags going in different directions or tow wise. Twelfth
thirteen degrees very not cold, not cold, no roof and
Wellington of course, but yeah, not cold at all. Just
what are they saying on the met Service forecast? They
normally recommend a number of layers. What are they saying
three layers? They're suggesting three layers? Leaguer, not got to

(43:23):
be too bad. More Rugby this hour when Dane Cole's
pobson for a chat around half past one, looking forward
to chatting to one of our iconic All Blacks hookers,
in fact, a man who really redefines what the hooking
role was all about when he came into the All Blacks,
debuted in twenty twelve, played right through until twenty twenty three,

(43:45):
went to three World Cups twenty fifteen, nineteen and twenty
twenty three ninety test matches. Dane Cole's with us this hour.
A couple of texts to get through before we move
on to motor racing. The Roaming Giant.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
I mentioned the Roaming Giants. That's where we are next weekend.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Somebody in their extreme wisdom here at News Talks here
to Be is decided we'll do Saturday shows on Test
Match Saturdays from a fine establishment in the city that
we're in. So the Roaming Giant is in Hamilton. That's
next weekend, Nigel says on text, Roaming Giant. That's what
we need at Winger for the all Blacks, two of them.
Very good, Yes, very good. Indeed, Oh eight hundred and

(44:24):
eighty ten eighty is our phone number nine two ninety
two for your text messages into the show. Just want
to hear from David a fine and lower hearts.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I no, it's raining. I no, it's fine. Again, thanks Dave.
I think we get the idea from you.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
At ten past one, Christian Horner has been dismissed as
Red Bull team principal in Formula One. The fifty one
year old's been in the role since two thousand and five,
overseeing eight drivers World championships and six constructors' titles, but
they have struggled this season. Full time defending world champion
Max for Stappan has won just two of twelve races

(45:01):
and the syndicate sits fourth on the team's ladder. Laurent
Meckeys has been appointed chief executive in his place. Let's
get some insight into what is behind this, what it
might mean moving forward, in particular for Liam Lawson, of course,
who was part of the Red Bull stable, founder of
the Toyota Racing series, which many of our top drivers

(45:22):
raced in, including Liam Lawson and Astute Motorsport analyst Barry
Tomlinson is with us on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Barry, thanks for taking the time. Did this come as
a surprise when you heard this news?

Speaker 10 (45:35):
Yeah, I think it's surprised everybody. Finally, you know, came
out of the blue, I guess, but you know, it's
been bubbling away for quite some while from you know
what the most of the pundits are saying. And you know,
I think it goes way back to probably a couple
of years ago when Adrian new he left the team
under circumstances that probably weren't so pleasant. I mean, Adrian was,

(45:59):
you know, is probably the best f one designer of
the world we've ever seen, and you know, he walked
out the door and was followed by Rob Marshall, who
you know became chief designer at McLaren if one and
we see the success of that car and that team.
Now Jonathan Wheatley has gone to Audi. He was a
TM you know at red Ball, and a lot of

(46:22):
other senior stuff that probably aren't so public, but have
also left. And you know, I think the team, you know,
has probably you know, struggled to rebuild from that. Christian
downplayed Adrian's sort of departure from the team, you know,
which was probably a mistake, but you know, in the end,
you know, I think Adrian, you know, people knew that

(46:45):
Adrian was was was you know, a very very valuable
member of the team, and when he walked, you know,
it was probably not a good scene.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
So was this a case of some big personality, some
big egos dare I say in Formula one just clashing?
What actually happened between Christian Horner and the likes of
Adrian Newey and the others who left the who left
the team?

Speaker 10 (47:07):
Well, well, you know, I'm not I don't have any
personal insight into it, but you know, I believe that
you know, Adrian, you know, there was a bit of
a cloud around this, you know, allegation by an employer,
a female employee against Christian, and I think probably that
was you know, the nail and the coffin for Adrian.

(47:27):
He didn't, you know, for whatever reason, none of us know,
you know, he decided he leave the team. And but look,
you know, probably ones full of huge personalities, you know,
the team, the guys that run the team's you know,
the designers, the Herodonamesis, the drivers, full of egos and
you know, I believe Christian has done an amazing job

(47:49):
for twenty years to mold all of those egos into
a team that has you know, been one of the
most successful form lines I've ever seen. And you know,
so he did a fantastic job for a long time.
But you know, I guess, you know, you go to
the top and eventually there's only a couple of ways down,
and Christian and found the hard way down and being
relieved of his duty.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I guess in any sport though, barrye twenty years in
charge of any sporting team, any sporting franchise, any sporting organization,
that's a that's a heck of a long time. A
lot changes in two decades had had his time there
just run its course.

Speaker 10 (48:25):
Yeah, I think you know in the end that that's
what's happened. I mean, the loss of some Dietrich Matchets,
you know, who obviously was a founder of Red Bull
and you know funded the Red Bull Racing team along
with everything else they did, you know, his loss, you know,
that seemed to sort of tie into the you know,
the down down for really you know, with you know,

(48:46):
he had gone, and then you know the helmet Marco
and Christian kind of took over the team running it,
you know, and then I don't know, the duties might
have been a little bit you know, you know, clashing,
you know there.

Speaker 7 (48:59):
We really don't know.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
But then of course you've got the factor of Maxis
staff and you know, probably one of the greatest e
F one drivers in the world is a scene, if
you know, not the greatest, certainly modern day, and you know,
his team, his father and his management behind the scenes.
You know, there's been a lot going on there and
for whatever reason, you know, the father of Josseph Staffan,

(49:21):
Max's father has been pretty vocal you know, against Christian
as well. So Mark, the son of Dietrich, has taken
over the operation, and I guess you know, it's also
probably not well known, but Red Bull is also fifty
mon percent owned by a Thai gentleman and apparently certainly

(49:44):
the Thai chap was a supporter of Christian for all
these years, but maybe lost you know, Christian lost his
support in the end, and then it was always one
way down.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
So there's always talk that or there has been talk
about Max withstaffen leaving Red Bull.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
With the change of ownership, is he more likely to stay.

Speaker 10 (50:07):
Well, you know, that's a big question and everybody's trying
to answer that one. At the moment, only Maxims management
and I guess the people inside Red Bull know what's
going on in terms of whether he's going to going
to remain with the team. But you know, for sure
Mercedes have been courting him, and they've been courting him
for a while. They have the might and the power
and the money to be able to take the staff

(50:28):
into the longer term contract that probably he's looking for
next year, new rules, new engine, new car. You know,
there's a lot of debate as to whether you know,
who's going to have the best car package, caring engine package,
and I think the Seeds seemed to have favor there,
and of course Red Bill also, you know they lost

(50:48):
Honda for their engine supply in shows, which was a
Christian kind of decision. I believe that, you know, they'd
set up their own engine shops, so they're building their
own engine in conjunction with Ford Motor Company, and you know,
there's probably some debate about whether that is going to
be a competitive of units straight off the bat too.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
How important is the constructor's title because we always hear
a lot about you know, who the world drivers champion is,
and we know expos happens one the last.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Four How important two teams? Barry? Is the constructor's title.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
For a team that's the most important thing. Almost the
driver's championship is second. And you know they get paid
on team results, on points, and you know it's worth
a lot of money. And of course not only do
the teams get the you know, the prize money if
you like, but then that filters down through their employees

(51:44):
and the people at Red Bull, all of the staff
over a thousand people, they'd all have a bonus every
year are based on what they would you know, the
points that they would score. And so team team championship
is everything in terms of their funding and of course
then drivers is obviously something that they all love to
have too, and but it's you know, the driver. It's

(52:05):
a very end of thing too, you know, through selfish
party of the whole sport.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Indeed, Liam Lawson, we know he's in the Red Bull
stable racing Balls.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Will this have any impact on him, Barry.

Speaker 10 (52:20):
Look, I'm sure it's you know, it had an impact
on Liam right. You know, obviously we all know at
the start of this year when he was placed in
the Red Bull car alongside Maxim and given two races
to perform, and actually, you know that was just quite
ridiculous in the end to think that, you know, he
only had that amount of time. And I think that's

(52:40):
also part of the whole scenario that's gone on with
the downfall of Christian because you know, in the end,
Christian would have been involved in making decisions around who
that were going to put in the second car. Obviously
chose to put Liam in the car, along with others
that would make that decision. And you know, so it's
had an impact on Liam and now he's had to
reinvent his career back at Racing Balls and we can

(53:01):
see that he's you know, he really is starting to
find his confidence. Had a good result in Austria, a
core result in Silverstone, not his own making, I guess,
you know, the first laugh accident. So Liam now really
has to just get his head down, keep his head
down and get results in the end. It's a results,
results based championship and you know, so he really just

(53:25):
has to concentrate on his role as a racing driver
at racing balls.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Just back to Max Forstappen and you'll be able to
fill in the gaps for a sere Barry. But it
seems to me as though he's driving a difficult car,
a very difficult car, because he is, as you said,
a Formula one genius, one of the best we've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Can can anybody fill that number two seat effectively?

Speaker 10 (53:49):
Look at again? A great debate and you know they
obviously Carez was there for a number of years, you know,
started to struggle in the car alongside Max, and you
know there was debate about whether it was you know,
Perez losing his confidence as you know, as a driver
and getting a little older and a little bit maybe

(54:09):
bored or whatever it was. But you know, can someone
compete against Max. Well, it's it's a big call. And
you know, the car has obviously been developed for him,
it's gone down a path for his driving style and
that doesn't suit a lot of guys. You know, it's
pretty evident that, you know, a lot of people have
to try and adapt. And now you see Sonoda just

(54:31):
struggling like anything you know to even understand. And I
mean Sonoda is a quality racing driver thing around him,
former one for four plus years, but he's struggling really
badly with that car. And yeah, a look, big question
marks finding on all of that. And you know, but
that's you know, were all Max go, that's the question
what will he do? And time to tell?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Just to finish?

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Then is there any set of circumstances under which we
might see Liam back in the Red Bull car? If
Max stays or if Max goes, could, could or would
Liam want to drive the Red Bull again?

Speaker 7 (55:05):
Absolutely?

Speaker 10 (55:06):
And the way he will get back to Red Bull
it will be to a most importantly beat his teammate.
And he's got a very very strong teammate and Hadjar
and I think we'll see that hadgo and many's I
think top shelf a very very accomplished driver doing an
amazing job, and Liam's got a big job to kind

(55:26):
of beat him. He will need to consistently show that
he is faster, more consistent than Isaac. And you know,
if he can do that right through to the end
of the season, then he's definitely in with a chance
of getting back to Red Bull. And you know, again
came will tell. But the main thing for Liam how

(55:46):
he really wants to secure a seat and racing balls
next year. Concentrate on that and then what will be
from there will be and I think that needs to.

Speaker 12 (55:55):
Be his goal.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Very great to get your insight and your expertise I've
learned Hates. Thanks much for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
I really appreciate your time, my pleasure, mate, and go
the all black one.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Go the v's indeed, Barry good Man, Barry Tomlinson, their
founder of the Toyota Racing Series. As you can hear,
they're a very astute motorsport analyst. Great to get his
views on what's going to happen at Red Bull. With
Christian Horner departing, the next Formula One weekend actually is
in Belgium July twenty five through twenty seven, so a

(56:26):
couple of weeks away before we have Formula one to
look forward to again.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
News Talks, HEEDB and.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Weekend Sport coming to your live from Shed twenty two
and Downtown Wellington. Ahead of this doubleheader Black Ferns against
Australia four thirty then All Blacks France at seven oh
five tonight. We'll take a break because when we come back,
joined by one of our great All Blacks front rowers
ninety test All Black Dame Coles is with us right
after this On Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Week Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington, It's Weekend
Sport with Jason Finn and GJ.

Speaker 8 (56:59):
Gunner.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks, EDB.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
News Talks, Heed B and Weekend Sport on Test Match
Saturday one twenty five, coming to your Live from Sheard
twenty two on Wellington's Waterfront. It is amazing who you
bump into on Test Match Saturday in downtown Wellington. Ninety
tests for the All Blacks between twenty twelve and twenty
twenty three. World Cup one of twenty fifteen twenty three
tries the most buy a front runner in All Blacks

(57:25):
history only Ardie Savier, Karen Reid and Richie McCay have
more as an All Black forward, Hurricane's third most cap player,
captain the Canes to their first and so far only
Super Rugby titled twenty sixteen. Same year nominee for the
New Zealand and World Rugby Player of the Year Awards
for a long time, the best hooker in the world,
Dame Coles.

Speaker 17 (57:45):
Val cheers binning making me bust after that today, No
good to be here, mate.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
It's good to see if I had to drag you
away from the throng of fans who still want to
get photos with you.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Mate, Tim miss Jim, miss rugby on the day of
a test.

Speaker 8 (57:58):
Today.

Speaker 17 (57:58):
I actually do like coming home to Willians and I
live up in Carperty, so the building and just walking
around and steal with the fans.

Speaker 8 (58:04):
You know, it's been It's a different buzz.

Speaker 17 (58:06):
Yeah, at least I get to go to the game
and kind of watch it from the seats, and I
don't miss the contact, Pinty. But yeah, I suppose that
big build up with your kids and your family is
always special.

Speaker 8 (58:14):
But no regrets made.

Speaker 17 (58:16):
I'm happy to be on the other side now and
just sitting, never be and watch the game.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Well, they always I think every every player in any
sport I've spoken to do about retiring and they say,
what what do you miss and what don't you miss?
No one misses the training, right, no one misses that stuff,
and I'm sure you don't. But what about the And
a lot of people say it's the friendships they miss
the most.

Speaker 17 (58:35):
H Yeah, you do, Like that's that's always an important
part of your your team sport, as your as your mates.
But I think you just got to try and stay connected.
I always tried to text the boys when around town.
I caught up a few of the all Black boys
last night, you know, Sonny, and that still give me
a bit of bent down that So it was cool
in that space you kind of remember, you know that
what you went through and the guys you play with.
But you know, like life carries on, you know. That's

(58:57):
just it was a big part of my life. But yeah,
I'm very grateful for what I've done. But I'm still
I'm enjoying the kind of the bed on the other
side as well and making some new friendships and I'm
living a simple life as well.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Good to hear good to hear. I mean, you were
always a good play growing up. What turned you into
an All Black in late twenty twelve?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
What was there a turning point for you?

Speaker 17 (59:18):
I remember, well, the big thing with Obosi Horry was
there for a long time, so I did buy my time,
which was the way it was back in the day.
And obviously him moving on in a bit of time
in the saddle with the Canes that definitely helped. And
I think I just made up my mind if I
need a bit, I'm gonna be an orbit. I was
twenty five and needs to be this year. So I
just kind of put my head down, went to work.

(59:39):
And it probably wasn't to a camp. They invited me
to an All Black camp and Steve Hanson and Mike
cron came along and said, like, you go, good Son,
but you're throwing his crap. I was like, yeah, yeah,
your car was that's I can't really be hockey. And
they just gave me some real basic feedback about my
throw and I just I remember just during the NPC season,
I just worked my butt off.

Speaker 8 (59:59):
I was throwing on days off and it became.

Speaker 17 (01:00:02):
Really consistent in that in that role, and next thing
I want to the tie and haven't really looked back.
So yeah, a bit bit of guidance and a bit
of determination and a bit of life experience. I was
twenty five, you know, and I was at a good
age that I needed to put my head down and
go to work and work it out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Because you were always that kind of player, though, weren't you. Yes, you,
I mean you, you're a hooky.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
You're throwing to the line out and you're try and
get the ball back on the right side in the scrum.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
But you weren't just a ruckhead ray. You'd always run
on the loose with the ball throwing that right.

Speaker 8 (01:00:32):
Yeah, I think it was timing piney like in that
two twelve of you.

Speaker 17 (01:00:36):
I think they all actual had a game plan with
a kind of the hooker was on the edge, so
he was kind of a back lucy. So I think
I was pretty lucky because it definitely suited my skill set. Like,
even if it wasn't the game plane of the Hurricanes,
I'll probably just hang on the edge and I think
the coach is getting too fond of it, but just
try to have a crack. And like I said, honestly,
I reckon was a bit of luck that that gun

(01:00:56):
shag and that came up a game plan that suited
my skill set, and yeah, I just kind of always
backed my ability to have a crack and have a
run and try, you know, step the back or put
a kick and or saying that.

Speaker 8 (01:01:06):
So, yeah, that was kind of kind of it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Well, they might have come up with the game play,
but you still have to implement it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
And you know, you are regarded as somebody who redefined
that role the fourth loose forward, the guy on the wing,
the guy runs, you know, but now a lot of
hookers do that, right.

Speaker 8 (01:01:21):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
When you look back, now, do you do you feel
as though you played a part in the development of
the Number two Jersey.

Speaker 17 (01:01:28):
I don't know about that, Piney, Like, I feel like
I just expressed myself. If i've I've been completely honest,
like that's what that was, what my skill set was,
and I wasn't trying to redefine or change the way.
I just like, this is what I'm This is Dane
Cole's this is what I'm about. If you don't like it,
that's all good, But this is this is what I'm
going to kind of do. But I look back, I

(01:01:48):
think a guy that I probably Keith would from the
Irish I reckon. He was the guy and fansy to
us at certain extent, you know. But Keith Wood was
the guy that kind of used to watch my man
like kicking the ball side step, so he was a
big inspiration.

Speaker 8 (01:02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:02:02):
I just try to mold myself, take little bits some
players and then put them into my south and express.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
How the way I did it that twenty twelve side
you came in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
So we're still pretty stackeddy not too many, not too
many retired after twenty eleven, quite a few that after
twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
But what was that environment like.

Speaker 17 (01:02:17):
Coming into Yeah, it was pretty intimidating to me fure
because me and so we had a curbbaalow. We didn't
make the initial squads of trainations and the bleeders though,
so we went straight into India tour and there wasn't
much time to be like, you know, get around you.
It was like, all right, we see how you go.
You know, like remember my first line actually sided and
you know, cause I was overthrowing it. Like but that

(01:02:38):
in the era you just kind of knew you shut
your mouth, you just got on with it and your
teammates respect and as you kind of in your teammates
respect you guys like Kivan Horry and we'll get you
and like yah do this.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
And I leaned a lot off that time. Mate. It
was definitely shaped me and tore the All Black.

Speaker 17 (01:02:54):
I probably was because I've seen the commitment what it
talked to be to at a top eleven and I
didn't want to be like a one test All Black,
you know. I wanted to be there for a long time.
And I definitely leaned a lot off of those senior
guys in there and there on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
So yeah, givin me alarm of everybody who talks about him,
talks about his manner and the team and what an
influential play he was. But you know, during that time
and heading into the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup, you
end up starting games overheavy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
But was he still a supportive teammate.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 17 (01:03:21):
And I got that kind of fear when Hory and
Kivy like probably two opposites, once from Southwark and one
from you know, me and Toto, but the relationship they had,
like it was like you got to earn your jersey,
but they'll do everything he can to help, you know,
get the best out of each other. And it was
never like if there was like a thing they needed
to share, they'd share with it. So yeah, and Kevy

(01:03:43):
was the same rid in to fifteen. A great relationship.
You know, when it was time to work and compete,
you go hard for each other. But at the same time,
you know, would always sit down and always I would
always bounce off ideas or you know, things I could
make my game better off Kevy.

Speaker 8 (01:03:55):
So you know, I okiv you a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup winner obviously, then the next
year the Canes are Super Rugby champions. You're leading that team,
nominated for World Rugby Player of the Year.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
What was that your sweets twenty sixteen?

Speaker 17 (01:04:08):
Yeah, I think it was, you know, like I had
a few injuries after that, but that's footy. But yeah,
like I obviously the Kings is a big part of
my life, mate, Like I used to go to the stadium,
I'm on the train effort at Park so and to
be kept and of a team that I love, you
know a lot, a lot. Yeah, to bring a championship
home was a great, great experience, and then it kind

(01:04:28):
of flowed into my all black footy as well. You know,
Like I think the turning point was probably Boydy giving
me the captain See, like I was at an age
and I was kind of cruising, not cruising a little bit,
but I need a bit of a challenge, and I
think him giving me the captaincy kind of just lifted
my game to another level.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
So yeah, I've got to I think wordy for that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
One thing that people who played at the same time
you did will say is they love playing with you,
but didn't particularly enjoy playing against you, because I mean,
off the field, you're I mean, ever, I could tell
you a nice guy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
On the field, you just like did did whatever it
took for your team.

Speaker 17 (01:05:01):
Yeah, it's probably that sums it up, pony, did you
I wasn't there really to legal people. No, there's sometimes that,
Like back then, you could sit, you know, back in
the paper days, you could get you know, quotes from
like you know, from other teams that would say stuff
about your pack or your personal players. So you use
it as a bit of a motivation. But when I
was out there, I want me to make friends, mate,
I'm there to win and do what I can for

(01:05:22):
my team. And and like since i've been retired. I've
done a few talks and sometimes I crossed the line,
and I'll admit that, you know, and I've cost my team.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
I've been simburn.

Speaker 17 (01:05:30):
But like I said, whatever happened on the field stays
on the field, and I'll shake your hand, I'll have
a beer with you after the game. And it was
it was never nothing personal, yeah, And like I've got
no regrets of what things happened.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
It was just I wanted to win. And you know,
there's an All.

Speaker 17 (01:05:46):
Black teammate that I've played a lot of ubby with,
so beer, you know that this is the way I
was and that's just the way I was wored and you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Shouldn't have regrets. There's no way you should have regrets.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
So I remember that game against the Crusaders down there
at the stadium, you and Cody Taylor, who were All
Black teammates for years, you know, having a bit of
a snigh at each other, and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Then he gets he gets a yellow cardis guns in
on the nor each year?

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
But you know you're right, I think, But then I'm
almost certain you'll be able to confirm this afterwards.

Speaker 17 (01:06:12):
You probably and I know I've known Cody for a
while because obviously we had the same kind of story
from Ben Harf and so we got a great relationship.
But like I say, when you were on the field
and we're into each other and we you know, we
came to blows in that game, but like I said,
same with him, and were we forgot that, we left
it and we hugged it out, shook her hand. Had
to be after the game, like they presented me because

(01:06:33):
it was my last home game at the stadium. He
presented me a bottle of wine. So that was you know,
that's the beauty of rugby. A like you can you
can go to war with someone, but then you can
have a beer and they can things like that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
That's what that's that was special.

Speaker 17 (01:06:44):
So yeah, but I'm pretty stated they've got to be
crusaders on my last home game at the stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Right at the back end of your career, you did
play overseas very briefly. Did you have opportunities during your
your career to go overseas?

Speaker 13 (01:06:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:06:56):
I did, I didn't look like quite seriously enough.

Speaker 17 (01:07:01):
I just I always say that the teams I love
playing for were the All Blacks, the Hurricanes, the Lions
and Paniki and I always thought I'd always find it
hard to play for a team that I didn't have
like a sentimental value for, so I turned not like
a couple of offers I turned down, But then in
saying that one of my best years of rugby was
going to KBODA in Japan, it was just because there

(01:07:23):
was no pressure, you know, I had I came out
of nowhere, had I had about three days to decide
to go there, and it was rare, refreshing, Japanese boys, awesome.
I got to play with Africans Bernard Foley that who
he hated each other but were becoming good mates, you know,
like it was a great experience. But I'm glad it
was only six months. I don't I wouldn't have done
it earlier in my career, But yeah, that was kind

(01:07:43):
of my reason. Teams that I loved I always fell
I got the best out of, and that was kind
of the reason I didn't really look overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
You've got a couple of head knocks as well, didn't you.
Yeah that, I mean, were you close to having to
call it quits earlier than you were wanted to?

Speaker 8 (01:07:56):
I think the two seventeen years I was out for
a while, like six months.

Speaker 17 (01:08:01):
Yeah, and a lot of it's like because you're you're
going for a bit of concussion, you overthink things. I
think a little bit too, like because you get such
in a bad state. But I actually seen a sports
psychologist and he sorted me out, so that was quite
good and yeah, like and it hadn't probably helped me
deal with other injuries down the line, you know, like
you can't control everything. Just try focus on what you
can and that's all part of sport, mate. Everyone goes

(01:08:23):
through injuries and you learn a lot of dealing with
injuries and getting back on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Ian Foster talks in his book about having to tell
you that you weren't in the squad for the Rugby
World Cup final, Yeah, in twenty twenty three, which was.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Basically ending your All Blacks career. Can you tell us
my dad?

Speaker 17 (01:08:42):
Yeah, it was and there's no like resentment for me
and I like, the last thing he wants is a
senior member dropping his lip, you know. And he was emotional,
he admitted that, but I was like, mate, look look
I've got you back for it was like I'll get
around you. Let's get this win this World Cup. I
will say this, they do and he'll.

Speaker 8 (01:09:01):
Find this funny.

Speaker 17 (01:09:01):
Like I paid the court final and then we had
a six day turnaround, so we had one least day
and we traveled on the day to train. And usually
if you get if you're not playing, they'll tell you
the night before. So he didn't have that time. And
I was about to put my boots on for the
Monday to go out to the Monday session. He said, oh,
you're not playing for the semi final, and I was
living like I was just like this close to making

(01:09:24):
it on but like, that's not as fault. It was
just the way that I week. It was you had
it one least day there was there was probably the
hardest one. So by the final, I and the boys
were unreal. On that semisige, I knew in my head
there's no way, you know, they're going to put me
in for the final, and that was that's this I've
played my whole career. There's no guarantees in that black jersey,
you know, like, and if you take it for granted

(01:09:46):
you're on it, you get out on the other side.
And so I just put on my energy trying to
get the one for the boys, doing the thing I can,
and I fortunately we lost, but that's I look back
in my old work career of nothing but proudness of
the way it ended.

Speaker 8 (01:09:58):
And that's that's just rugby. That's the way it does well.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
The silver linings it ended, and that that went over islands.

Speaker 17 (01:10:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's civil lining and like and you
know as well as anyone, poney, they cause us a
bit of heartache, you know, like losing that series at
Home was one of my toughest losses in All Black.
So it's kind of in that kind of chapter was
was kind of a bitter sweet and yeah, mate, I've

(01:10:24):
got no regrets and no, I don't hold any grudges.
That's that's footy and that's that's the way it is sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
So you've got three times of your own Jacks Reef
and Bowie teen eight and five, I think any rugby
interest there.

Speaker 17 (01:10:37):
Yeah, they're all playing not by pressure, pioneer they are,
they've just been surrounded by you know, and yeah, they
love it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:44):
It's quite cool.

Speaker 17 (01:10:45):
It's it takes me back tomorrow when my men was
kind of involved my career and I take it down
Tadeo up company, coasts and all of it Honestly, I
love taking them to training.

Speaker 8 (01:10:54):
I love taking them to the games.

Speaker 17 (01:10:56):
We do a but an extra training in the garage,
you know when they want to some clean outs and
passing and all the little things.

Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
And but yeah, it's awesome to see them kind of
get the enjoyment that I get.

Speaker 17 (01:11:06):
And there's no like pressure on them, you know, like
I just I'll let them do what they want to
do if they don't want to play, Like my son
played soccer for a year, you know, like that's I
just playing sport is such an awesome, awesome toll fio.

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
So yeah, but you never know. Piney hopefully he's a.

Speaker 17 (01:11:20):
Couple of or bs and n Pete Smiley, Barrett, But
we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Do you think I'm also Jaxon's team? Do you think
he realizes that as Dare was an All Black? Does
he grasp what that means?

Speaker 8 (01:11:33):
They definitely know.

Speaker 17 (01:11:34):
They get it on YouTube and play those bloody clips
that those tiktop clips, you know, not not the highlight reels,
the bad ones, and they give me a better stick,
But I think they kind of not.

Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 17 (01:11:46):
They definitely know I played in the Black Jersey and
they know how proud I am of doing that. Yeah,
so hopefully they realized, you know, the the I suppose,
the sacrifices and all the work I had to put
into it. But like anything, mate, you're like, that's what
you've got to do to be at the top. And
and yeah, they love it, journey. They got to meet
guys you know in their jersey and and they look

(01:12:07):
up to a lot of those people in the environment.

Speaker 8 (01:12:08):
Now love it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
And so you're doing some primo work for New Jialing rugby.
I know you've got some commitments this afternoon, end this evening.
What else is taking up your time?

Speaker 17 (01:12:16):
I'm doing a bit of coaching, mate, I'm coaching the
local rugby team. I parted up them's senior rugby. It's
a big shout out there, so we've got to buy
this week. Just trying to give back a little bit
coach doing do the half of nunder sixteen.

Speaker 8 (01:12:27):
So I did that last year.

Speaker 17 (01:12:28):
Like we come from a province I reckon we underachieve
up there. So just trying to give back. And you know,
I'm sure there's a couple of all blacks out there,
black ferns. You know, I'd be so cold to get
a bit more so you're just trying to give back pinting.
Not not one hundred percent sure what I'm going to
do full time, but I said this to a lot

(01:12:48):
of people. It's been awesome just to kind of take
a step back and just have quinde of no pressure
on you, you know, because you get so accustomed to
that high pressure environment. But yeah, loving it mate, doing
a bit of this with you doing a couple of
charity events. But yeah, meeting a few old All Blacks
that are in the speaking scene. Andy, it's good. I'm
drawing life.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
It's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Well, mat if the last fifteen minutes are and then
to go by, you've got a future in the your
speaking see maybe you're I can go on.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Tours and Q and eight.

Speaker 8 (01:13:14):
Yeah, I'll follow your league. Finey you clut the ticket, mate,
and I'll do it for free.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Hey, great to see you, Colsey.

Speaker 8 (01:13:20):
Thanks for stopping in, mate, Oh chieers Piney, thanks having mate.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
That is Dane Coles, of course, the one and only
ninety tiers former All Blacks hooker, joining us from Shed
twenty two and downtown Wellington eighteen away from two Beck
in the Mow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Shouting down to all blacks Fee fronts on your home
of Sport. It's Weekends fort Live from Shed twenty two
in Wellington with Chase and Fine and GJ. Gardner Homes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talks the'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
One forty five. Some great feedback on the Dane Coulson.
If you want a champion of a blow gay so authentic,
so real. Yeah, just a leegiand great to chet to
day Cole's bread shields with us after two o'clock. Speaking
of legends, but let's get across the Tasman as we
always do on Saturday afternoons. Australian correspondent Adam Peacock joins us,
and let's start with state of origin. Queensland of one

(01:14:07):
state of origin.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
How unexpected was this?

Speaker 12 (01:14:11):
It's the most expected unexpected thing you could imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Heini.

Speaker 12 (01:14:17):
Yeah, typical Queensland. They just rock up and do the
little things that win origin games.

Speaker 15 (01:14:22):
And New South Wales come up.

Speaker 12 (01:14:24):
With a game plan that doesn't take into.

Speaker 7 (01:14:26):
Account that little things can prove the.

Speaker 12 (01:14:28):
Difference, not the big things. So yeah, they were just
was just too good. I was there on the night
and they swarmed and energy and all those things in
New South Wales had a game plan, but sometimes your
game plan you don't get past the second step with
it when you need to take ten.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Steps for victory.

Speaker 18 (01:14:46):
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 12 (01:14:47):
It was one of those nights in New South Wales
and Queensland.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
What does this mean for Laurie Daily, coach of New
South Wales.

Speaker 8 (01:14:54):
I was copying it.

Speaker 12 (01:14:55):
He's coping it over here.

Speaker 9 (01:14:57):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:14:59):
You probably have to go into greater detail about why
that performance was found in game three?

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I e.

Speaker 15 (01:15:06):
Was there a Plan B that the players refuse to
go to because we've got some You're gonna think you've
got some damn smart players out there who can think
their way around a footy field.

Speaker 12 (01:15:17):
But or was it the coach telling them, no, we
don't need a Plan B. Plan B is to plan
a better so that that's the key to it all
and that'll come out in the wash up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
I'd say, all right, let's go to rugby union where
we're not that far away now from the first Test
between the British and Irish Lions and the Wallabies that
is next weekend. Of course, the squad's been named Joe
Schmidt has gone a bit but back to the future
and James O'Connor is back and the Wallabies for this one.

Speaker 12 (01:15:46):
Yeah, the Crusader's bench player, he's made it.

Speaker 15 (01:15:51):
I get the feeling he won't.

Speaker 12 (01:15:53):
Be first choice ten, but he's certainly an option. I mean,
why not have a guy like that around the squad?
This is the type of selection that Eddie Jones sure
as hell wouldn't have made having a guy like this
around the squad. So yeah, Joe Schmidt, as we know,
he's a guy that's really comfortable in his own skin
about what each player brings and he's had to found

(01:16:15):
times something after what happened to Noel Alessio last week
against VG. So the word is that Tom Lioner probably
had the inside running. Incidentally, apparently he'll become the first
son of a father who also played against the Lions,
Michael back in nine and eighty nine if Tom players
against against the Lions, so it's a bit of history

(01:16:38):
for the family. But yeah, James O'Connor, why not cover
it's not exactly brimming with ten's over here, so yeah,
get him in there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Well, they absolutely loved him at the Crusaders and he
did play very much a backup role there. You know,
even though he was more experienced, far more experienced than
the teams they had, he played a backup role and
they loved him there. So so good to see him
back in there and with a chance to play against
the British and Irish Lions. To cricket, Mitchell Stark is
going to play one hundredth Test when Australia meet the

(01:17:08):
West and he's a Sabina Park starting tomorrow sixteenth Australian
to do that, just the second fast bowler after Glenn
McGrath and needs five more wickets for four hundred and
Test cricket. Where does Mitchell Stark stand among your cricket
and greats.

Speaker 12 (01:17:22):
He's won of my phase, and not just due to
the fact that his wife actually sits next to me
on a podcast we do together and he comes on
from time to time and proudly wears his Willow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Talk cat in Jamaica.

Speaker 12 (01:17:34):
He's an interview with us the other day. I know
he had the T shirt on. But great guy, really humble.
Can't work out why there's the fuss for him. One
hundred tests. It's one of those shut up, Mitchell, one
hundred tests, Take all the floid it's made. But that's
just not him. He's just a low key guy, plays
through a fair bit of pains. I look at his stats.

(01:17:56):
He's only gone of those ninety nine that he's played
so far, and I dare say a little bit of
the case in the hundredths that he's taken a wicket
in ninety six of his ninety nine Test is gone
wickedless only in three Test matches over that time. That's
a pretty good record. That's a pretty good strike rate
to take at least one wicked in the Test match

(01:18:18):
that he's played, and that's what he's there for, to
take wickeds. But sometimes it doesn't work. It shows the
class of the guy and the longevity and everything. And
he gets every reported that he doesn't want at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Well they deserved, absolutely deserve. We'll look forward to seeing him.
I was going to say, raise the bat, that's the
wrong phrase. It's the right sport, but it's the wrong phrase.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Raise the ball. There you go, Mitchell Stark.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
There's one hundredth Test tomorrow and just to finish in
the FC I see seeking millions of dollars in compensation
from venues New South Wales. This is to do with
Alien Stadium their home ground and it's faltering drainage system.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Can you tell us about this?

Speaker 12 (01:18:53):
Oh yeah, basically the early out stadium when it rains
a bit, and especially if they get the galloping herd
of thirty rugby union players playing on it, it resembles. Yeah,
it's like it's just been like it drops birthday cake.
Basically the surface off. It's horrible. It is absolutely horrible

(01:19:16):
and made stuffs up and like keep I'm telling me believed,
Oh yeah, we got world class stadiums, and I was like, no, don't.
You've got world start class spectator stadiums. You don't have
world class sporting stadiums because the last thing that tends
to be thought of is the actual playing surface. Which
I we winge about it. Finey don't we as a
sortall fan that that's us. But it got out quite

(01:19:40):
dangerous for a ruged League game last year. It's horrible.
So I don't know what's happened, if they've got crap
soil in there, or they've come up with a new
age plan that just simply hasn't worked, but they they've
got to fix it. The poots in the FC, the
ones that are going to be kicked out at home
for two to three months. Well they fixed the damn
thing in the growing months, so it's and then they'll
go and have a concert on it, and then the
same thing will happen in twelve months time. They'll go, oh,

(01:20:01):
why isn't this working? Well, you get forty thousand people
dancing up and down and concert three times a year,
it's gonna not great for your glasshill. So sorry, it's
a bug bear of mind. Fine, because I love.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
My lawn and this really annoys me as I can
tell and look, and you're so right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Football needs to be played on a surface that is
conducive to well playing football really, so yeah, let's hope
they can sort things out at Elian Stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Always good catching up, Adam. Enjoy your weekend mate. We'll
cheat again next Saturday.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
That's rights all good, No, thank you mate.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
That iss Adam Peacock arrostrating correspondent around this time every
Saturday afternoon here on weekend Sport, which is coming to
you from an increasingly vibrant Shed twenty two and downtown
Wellington today as we build towards the Test match tonight
and of course the women's International Black Ferns against Australia
from four point thirty this afternoon at the same venue.
An international double header in Wellington this weekend. We're back

(01:20:52):
in the eight two to two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Lave from Shed twenty two and Wellington ahead of the
All Lacks Fee France weekend Sport with Jaas and Pine
and GJ. Gardner Home New Zealand's most trusted home builder
on your Home of Sport News Talks'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Five to two on text from Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
I hope Razy gives Billy Proctor more tests to settle
into center. It took a while from Ananu to become
the player he was after starting on the wing and
with time in the saddle alongside Conrad Smith. Our best
twelve thirteen combinations over the years have been when the
centers have played consistently together over long periods, whether at
Super level or earlier times when the MPC was strong

(01:21:34):
in the Province's Joe, It's a great point and I
guess in the favor of Billy Proctor is that he
plays super rugby alongside Jordi Barrett, who I think in
the eyes of most observers will be our long term well,
certainly in this World Cup cycle anyway, second five eighth.
So if Jordi Barrett and Billy Proctor can get some
time in the saddle both at All Blacks level and

(01:21:56):
Hurricanes level in that twelve thirteen combo, then it can
only be good for both of those sides.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Speaking of the Hurricanes, Brad Shields as one of their
co captains. They had four four co captains this year.
Look what sure how that sort of came to pass,
but they decided to split the job. Brad Shields was
one of those co captains. He's going to pop them.
I want to ask him about well. A couple of
the others. Billy Proctor was one, Duplassy Khalifie another as
One Moore was the fourth one. In case you're wondering,

(01:22:23):
all three of those players, of course all Blacks. Brad
Shields are former England international but still running around for
the Hurricanes and for the Wellington lines as well, and
a couple of Phoenix players Isaac Hughes and Corbyn Piper
is going to pop an after two o'clock as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
In July twelfth, the day the Old Blacks can close
out of the series, or will the second string French
for out of first rate performances. On coming to you
from the Wellington waterfront, where the excitement is stronger than
a southerly in the Capitol lay From Sheen twenty two.
It's Weekend Sport with Jason Pine on your home of

(01:23:06):
Sport News Talk sen b there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Welcome back into weekend sport, or welcome into weekend sport
if you are just joining us. We're coming to your
life from Shed twenty two on Wellington's waterfront. It's been
humming away for the last couple of hours since we've
been here, and that volume will only increase. Double header,
of course at Sky Stadium this afternoon and into the evening,
Black Ferns against Australia from four point thirty, then the All.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Blacks France at five past seven.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Our build up to the All Blacks game incidentally starts
at six with commentary from just after seven Elliot Smith,
our rugby editor and match commentator alongside Ross Bond. And
I'll be down on the sideline, which is why I'm
hoping that the weather plays ball this afternoon or certainly
into the evening. Bradshield standing by the chat to us
here at Shed twenty two. A couple of the Phoenix
Boys are going to pop in as well. They're playing

(01:23:52):
Wrexham at Sky Stadium next weekend. Isaac Hughes and Corbyn
Pipe are going to pop in for a chat. Your
cause and correspondents continue to be welcome on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two if you
would prefer to correspond by ten. But as we tick
past eight past two, as we always do it about
this time on weekends, for time to catch you off
on a few things that you might have missed over

(01:24:14):
the last twenty four hours or so, in case you
missed it. Starting in the NRL, the Coronella Sharks putting
together a fine performance over the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
They stay inside the top eight.

Speaker 8 (01:24:25):
Hines plunder love the vulpin is Cantoa.

Speaker 7 (01:24:33):
Plenty down for the church finishing style and hides caps
off here his terrific night.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
The twenty four to twelve loss, however, for the Dolphins,
sees them on the cusp of ninth, still outside the
top eight.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
Looking in to France, we go and the Tour de France,
the yellow jersey returning to some familiar shoulders.

Speaker 13 (01:24:54):
Here he goes, Now this is the sprints Pagaccia starts,
thanker God, he's.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
Gonna go with him, but Pagecia is just powering away,
Thank you God.

Speaker 8 (01:25:03):
Though he's rights in the well.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Yeahn Banguard n begot chap, but it's so out chack
you on the mune different time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Now he's off Joni's fanger.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
God here, Tyd, I forgot you sick.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
In stage one of this years Tour de France has
lead over his nearest rival. Now it's fifty four seconds
and still up in Europe to the grass courts. The
final of Wimbledon will be a familiar battle.

Speaker 18 (01:25:26):
I talked that n when Alcoraz has grove raises his game,
but he had to within a win of raising the
trophy for a third straight year. Ritz elevated two fought
to the end. The streaks continue to grow, progress and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Krez will try and to fend against the man that
beat Novak Djokovic.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
Twelve number one nanicksoner.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
Youth has served up center court.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
World number one shows the strength of his game.

Speaker 8 (01:26:02):
Mis Djokovic depleted show great we do all the ime?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Was he going to be a gulf when it's down
to the line. You made a call on eighty ten
eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Payne, News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Evy, News Talks, ab and Weekends.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Poor bang On ten Past two Test Match Saturday Shared
twenty two Taranaki Street Wharf. Let's bring a man who's
been playing top level rugby four I reckon a decade
and a half maybe more. New Zealand under twenty representative
eighty one games for Wellington and signed on again for
this season. One hundred and twenty eight games for the
Hurricanes between twenty twelve and the season just completed, with
more to come. Three years at Wasps in England, eight

(01:26:43):
Test matches for England in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Brad Shields, Hello.

Speaker 8 (01:26:48):
Mate, good afternoon. Thanks having me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
It's good to have you pop in on Test Match Saturday.
We had some Dane Coleson before. You might have heard
a bit of the chat. Was he a guy you
enjoyed going into battle with?

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Dane Colson?

Speaker 11 (01:26:58):
If there's one guy who you'd always won on the
team Shoenix for you as probably him And to be
fair like without blowing too much smoke, he's probably one
of the guys that I modeled, not just you know
rugby obviously different positions, but life in general, and and
maybe my family and the way I do things.

Speaker 8 (01:27:16):
You know, we're very similar.

Speaker 11 (01:27:17):
He's probably a bit more hard nosed than I am,
but I made it to be to be in sort
of the same team as him, and and sort of
looking up to somebody in the same team a little
bit older than he was pretty cool when he took
me under his wing along with Thrushy so top absolute
top bloke. And I listened to him on the way
in today and he's just so raw and and and
doesn't doesn't hold back in terms of how his emotions are,
and I think that's credit to who he is and
how he's been brought up.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
So the other one you mentioned, what Jeremy Thrush, Yeah
he was.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
He actually gave me my first pair of free ruggue
boots apart from Ford, New Zealand twenties, but he gave
my first pair of boots and with Essex and I
never looked back since the white pair, so matey.

Speaker 8 (01:27:52):
They were good for me.

Speaker 11 (01:27:53):
And coming out of school into those environments is pretty daunting,
but to have a couple of guys who have been
there and sort of paving the way for us was
pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
And he didn't come out of one of the so
called you know, strong rugby schools, the Auckland gram Wellington
College and pat Silver Streams.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
So the world tight to college for you.

Speaker 11 (01:28:10):
Yeah, well, I mean I can't say we were the
played the best rugby at school, but we love what
we did and and I probably regret a little bit now,
but I went to school to eat my lunch and
play rugby and and managed to get into the system
when I was when I was quite young, So I
don't regret anything about going to Tider College.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
And I've got some.

Speaker 11 (01:28:27):
Lifelong mates that played rugby, and guys like maybe not
know the name, but Michael Kaye played from his Yellow Molds,
Nigea Wong who played in Australia and paid for money
some more. So you know, we've had some real good
success in our in our schooling, and guys like George
Bower as well, who who's now sort.

Speaker 8 (01:28:43):
Of in the in the All Blacks quite consistently.

Speaker 11 (01:28:45):
So yeah, we punched above our weight and certainly enjoyed
our rugby and enjoyed our enjoyed.

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
Our time there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
You have just even talking about a decade and a
half and reeling off some of those stats, the games
you've played, the number of people you must have played.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Worth and against, And I mean, do you still sort
of bump.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Into people and and sort of reconnect, you know, even
years later.

Speaker 11 (01:29:05):
All the time, all the time, And I think, like
I was just saying before to one of the one
of the guys you came on the show later, like
I'm from Stokes Valley and I didn't realize we went
to primary school with them.

Speaker 8 (01:29:15):
But even going to.

Speaker 11 (01:29:15):
South of France and perpen Young, like playing against a
couple of guys from Wainui, you end up say that
one degree of separation, you end up seeing the same
guys or playing with the same guys. We're playing against
them throughout your whole career and even opportunity to play
for the Barbarians up in the UK and twenty sixteen,
Like some of those guys you see, you know once
every couple of years, but it's like yesterday you played
with them. So that's one of the bonuses that rugby

(01:29:36):
gives you a bit of a family outside of your family.

Speaker 8 (01:29:38):
So it's it's pretty.

Speaker 11 (01:29:40):
Cool to be a part of and we're very lucky
to be in a sport that gives you so much
as well, you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Of course left New Zealand to chase your test dream
with England.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Can you about this background noises people getting a bit
excited about about the Can you tell us about how
you came to that decision and how difficult it was.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
To make it?

Speaker 11 (01:29:58):
Yeah, to be honest, it was probably about a six
month decision that weighed on my shoulders for a long time.
And I guess every sort of kid in New Zealand
the spires to play for the All Blacks and something
that I definitely did, and obviously got a little bit
of taste of the camp and playing super rugby against
some of the greats, and and I didn't take it
very lightly.

Speaker 8 (01:30:17):
And I think where I got to my career, I
don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:30:20):
Maybe I sort of reached my ceiling in New Zealand
and and I knew I had an opportunity to play
in England through my parents were born there and and
and you know, it was just a good chance, an
opportunity for me, and I'll be at the time, I thought,
you know, it was silly to turn it down. And
obviously I'd been playing super rugby for eight years, so
I was like, man, I might need telling you here
and just kind of refresh and exactly what going to

(01:30:42):
the UK gave me. And it was such an amazing time.
And I was like, I was very nervous and I'm
not sure how they were going to take it, especially
going to the England team from Super Rugby. It's quite unusual,
but you know I went there with and got taken
in with open arms and and and you know, like
rugby is a universal language and everyone's there trying to
do the same thing. So it was a real positive

(01:31:04):
for me and something that God laws from up a
unity to go and play overseas and to see overseas
as well, come out of Wellington and see the big
wide world and especially work from Stokes Valley.

Speaker 8 (01:31:13):
Not not many people get that opportunity.

Speaker 11 (01:31:14):
So yeah, it was a tough decision but something that
you know, I guess opened my eyes to rugby and
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Who drove the culture in that England team that you
were part of in twenty eighteen nineteen and enabled you
to fit in so seamlessly.

Speaker 11 (01:31:29):
Yeah, I look at everyone was really good and like
someone like Jamie George who who's still playing now for
England and playing some bloody good rugby is you know
that guys like Owen Pharaoh and George Ford, like their
standards are so high in the way they wanted to
train and play. Someone like Steve Borthworck, who's now coaching,
is like some of those training sessons are probably.

Speaker 8 (01:31:48):
The hardest I've ever been a part of.

Speaker 11 (01:31:49):
And to be under Eddie Jones was a bit of
a rollercoaster rider, But I mean I got on with
it pretty well and it's probably got the best of
best out of me in terms of rugby when I
went up there, so absolute privilege to be a part
of that group and they've got a lot of history
as well like that, you know, almost like the the
birthplace of rugby where they were. And to be a

(01:32:09):
part of a team that was so driven and maybe
along the way kind of got up in a roller
coach from terms of results, but to go onto a
team that just wanted to dominate the world was pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
And what about the fans, Brad, did they acceipt you? Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:32:23):
I think so, I won't lie.

Speaker 11 (01:32:25):
I turned off my social media for a little bit
because I think there was a bit of negative criticism
coming my way.

Speaker 8 (01:32:31):
But you know, that's to be expected.

Speaker 11 (01:32:32):
And I guess my circumstance was so unusual, and you've
seen it with other guys like Gems gives the Park
and and Lo for example, we played for Ireland.

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
And it's it's a little bit awkward, but at the same.

Speaker 11 (01:32:44):
Time, like's, I guess if you take it into the
real world, it's you know, a promotion in your job,
You're probably not going to turn it down if you
go into another business.

Speaker 8 (01:32:51):
So it was an opportunity to me I couldn't turn down.

Speaker 11 (01:32:54):
And like I said before, like gave me and my
family an opportunity to travel the world and give my
kids a little bit of an experience. And my daughter
was six months old when we traveled over there. My
wife absolutely gave up everything to follow me, like I
owe a lot of everything to what they to them.
And my son was born in England, so now he's
got an English passport, so that's pretty cool. I don't

(01:33:14):
think there's many many sports or many walks of life
where you get these multiple opportunities, So I'm pretty lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Well, let's let's circle back to where we are now.
You're still going in a really brutal rugby position the
loose forwards.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
I'm not a place for the fainthearted. What's the secret
of your longevity which has still got some more seasons
to run?

Speaker 11 (01:33:35):
Yeah, he calls it again, said before he's I don't
miss the contacts. And I remember when I first came
back and I started watching a suffer one more playing
and putting some shots on. I wasn't able to play
the first game, and I was like, I don't know
if I want to play I want to play rope anymore.
But I guess is it's the passion. It's it's the
love of the game that sort of keeps you amongst it.
And and that's something like if you're not enjoying what

(01:33:57):
you're doing, then that's pretty hard. And there's been some
challenging times. But you know, I guess trying to look
after your body and stay motivated as probably one of
the hardest things.

Speaker 8 (01:34:06):
And it's not it's not the playing. The playing is probably.

Speaker 11 (01:34:08):
Although it's the hardest part, probably the easiest part at
the same time, because that's that's your test match every week,
that's your what you're striving toward as a training, putting
your body through vigorous sort of training methods and recovery.

Speaker 8 (01:34:19):
And eating right all the time. You just switched on
twenty four seven.

Speaker 11 (01:34:22):
So I guess it's just trying to have a nice
balance outside as well. And I probably haven't been the
best of having a balance, you know, without with rugby
outside and in my life. But you know, Rugby's given
me everything. And and like I said, I've got the
support of my family and that's that's amazing. That's what
they keep me going. And now to have kids sort
of looking up to me and and trying to show

(01:34:42):
them what's possible and try and be a really good
role model for them is really important as well. So
it's quite cool to see smile on their face when
they say the dad run out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
I bet, I bet how much chanced the way you
recover after games had to change.

Speaker 11 (01:34:55):
Oh, I think maybe it takes me another couple of
days now, But I think it's just moving with the times.
Like gone of the days where you sort of go
out on a Saturday night until six am in the
morning and rock up to the pol session.

Speaker 8 (01:35:05):
And you're you're willing lines number ones.

Speaker 11 (01:35:08):
It's more or less maybe sit down and have a
couple of glass of red wine. And chill out and
then do something active the next day. And I think
that's the one thing where rugby has grown is sort
of the tools that you're given to be the best
player is just unreal. And you can see that where
we are at ndcis it's a pretty unique scenario in
terms where we train, and we're pretty lucky to have
what we do. And I guess that's a massive part

(01:35:29):
of long jeviten rugby is how you look after your
body and how you're smart about things. And I've always thought,
you know, work hard, to work hard, to work harder,
but sometimes it's a little bit work smarter and look
after your body.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
I want to ask you about a couple of your teammates.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
Duplessi Califi is the first one, a guy you know well,
part of the loose Ford cohorts at the Hurricanes. Can
you tell us about what you've seen from him in
the last little while which has led to his elevation
to finally becoming all black.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:35:54):
I just think he you know, I was so proud
of him to hear his name get called out just
like everyone else. And they've seen seen his family how
passionate they were for him and I know him as
an individual, he's absolutely static to be a part of
it and motankity any minute, for granted, in that environment
and it's a really tough position to get into. And
I know that from experience that loose Ford trio or

(01:36:14):
wherever you play in the Loose Fords and New Zealand
rugby is always going to be good players in that space.

Speaker 8 (01:36:19):
But his determination and work ethic and to see where.

Speaker 11 (01:36:22):
He's come over the last sort of eye left when
he sort of came into the Wellington team we won
the championship, to go back up to the premiership and
to see his growth and development into the leader I
suppose that he is now. I just think it just
shows him as a person in the way he's been
brought up is you know, he's not going to roll
over it roll over that easy, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:36:40):
And we're just really proud of him.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Another guy who had a bit of taste of the
All Blacks last year was Peter Lakai, another guy in
the Hurricanes and Wellington. Shut up with you, I mean
he's still young, right, so you feel that or do
you feel that he has an All Blacks future as well?

Speaker 8 (01:36:53):
Oh, he's a freak of nature and being back in
the Wellington enronment this week. You can see him.

Speaker 11 (01:36:58):
He's not taking a day off since we've finished Super
Rugby to get his knee right. So I think like
for someone young to have that sort of bounce back
from an injury is it's pretty tough. Like when you're
at the top of the world, you're playing international rugby,
it's easy for guys to sort of get complacent, and
there's not one little scratch of complacency going through him,
And you can see him now's I think he's ahead
of schedule with his knee recovery and he's training alongside

(01:37:22):
and stuff or so you know, we'll get him back,
hopefully for Willington for a couple of games and then
sort of kick him out of the door and hopefully
he gets another call.

Speaker 8 (01:37:28):
Up for the All Blacks.

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
So yeah, I think like we're pretty blessed in Willings
him with the amount of talent that comes through our
system holding on to them, I think sometimes it's a
bit of a challenge, But at the same time, I
think people love or guys who come through the system
love being part of willing To Rugby, love being part
of the Hurricanes and if we can create a culture
where they want to stay no matter what, that's you know,
half the battle and what we want to see as

(01:37:51):
many guys as possible. And now you can see like
who's being selected and the all blacks like it's proving
to be, you know, one of the powerhouse sort of
clubs enfranchises of New Zealand rugby and the world rugby.

Speaker 8 (01:38:02):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
Ruben Love's best position is, oh.

Speaker 8 (01:38:05):
It's a great question.

Speaker 11 (01:38:06):
And he played it absolutely amazing for us at ten
when he got his opportunity, and the thing with him
is just so full of energy and I guess it's
just needs to be directed in the right way. And
I mean at fifteen, he's he can break the game
open from no matter where we are.

Speaker 8 (01:38:22):
And for a young player to drive a team like.

Speaker 11 (01:38:25):
He did when he was at ten and have the
communication skill and all that sort of stuff, like he's
got a lot of growth and I think he knows
that we all know that. But his ceilings are so
high and we're really excited to see this next sort
of group of players. We've got about you know, five
to eight sort of players who are like they can
be you know, absolute stall warts of the Hurricanes and
the All Blacks, so it's really cool to follow their

(01:38:47):
journey and we're just looking forward to seeing how much
they can progress.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
And what about you, Bran, because I guess it's fair
to say you're closer to the end of your career
at the start of your career, but you're still going
Wellington in the in PC to come. You're back with
the Hurricanes next year. Have you thought about or have
you about when you'll know if it's time?

Speaker 11 (01:39:04):
Whoever I speak to, they kind of like you know,
they you know when it's time. And I've always said
to myself, like the minute I stopped becoming passionate, the
minute I don't, I don't love the game as much,
and I'll put my boots up in and at the moment,
I'm far from that, So I kind of I won't
say I want to be like Martin. I even play
till I'm forty five or forty three at the stage,
but I just want to like, once it's finished, it's finished.

(01:39:27):
And and I love Willington. I love the Hurricane so much,
and and I love playing rugby in general because it's
sort of what I did you know from day dot
when I was four years old. So to hold on
to that, and and and and the opportunity it gives
you post rugby is pretty special.

Speaker 8 (01:39:42):
So I don't I don't feel.

Speaker 11 (01:39:43):
Like the curtain is quite coming down, but I know
that it's just around the corner. And I just want
to make the most of every opportunity that I get,
and every time I get to go on the fields
as sort of a bonus, and I won't take that
for granted.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Have you started exploring what might take out most of
your time post rugby.

Speaker 11 (01:39:57):
Yeah, I think I think my wife is pretty keen
to get on with her life. Yeah, And that's the
lie of My wife's been absolutely amazing and she, like
I said, she gave up everything for me to follow
me around the world, so, you know, give back to
my family and sort of give them an opportunity that

(01:40:17):
many people don't get the opportunity to give so and
hopefully part of that is me being being in Wellington
or I'd love to stay involved in rugby in some
sort of way, maybe not coaching necessarily, but within their
rugby environment. I can see so much growth in New
Zealand rugby in general, and rugby around the world. So
to be a part of the next phase of professional

(01:40:38):
the professional era, which is unfortunately rugby struggling a little
bit in New Zealand if you look at the community game,
So as much as I can give back to the
community game when I finish would be you know, not.

Speaker 8 (01:40:49):
Just I'd get a bit of a kick out of it,
but to see guys progress.

Speaker 11 (01:40:52):
Through and try and build on what is there would
be an amazing sort of journey for me.

Speaker 8 (01:40:57):
And that transition period is yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (01:41:00):
Really sure exactly what I'll do, but I've got a
fair idea and it's to do.

Speaker 8 (01:41:03):
With people, it's to do with rugby and growth.

Speaker 11 (01:41:06):
So hopefully there's an opportunity that pops up for over
the next sort of two year, eighteen months or two years.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Fantastic When both your kids are playing, yep, so that
and you're are you coaching your daughter's team?

Speaker 11 (01:41:15):
Yeah, well as much as I can. They play on
a Friday night, so when we're away it's a bit difficult.
My wife thought was also managing, so she's like manager coach.
We we've got a couple of helpers out there, which
is which is awesome. And yeah, like I say, like
for them to come and watch me and then and
then kind of help them out from you know, I've
been in that situation before as a kid, so and

(01:41:35):
I think the kids actually quite get a kick out
of heaving a hurricane, you know, be a part of
their group and and being out in Eastbourne as such
a close knit community.

Speaker 8 (01:41:45):
So yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:41:47):
My son said the other day is like, I think
Daddy's going to coach my team next year, and I'm yeah,
so I've been signed up for a few years.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
I think after well during him when I finished playing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
Well, it's a great way to spend time with your kids.
Can vouch for that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Great great to see your mate. Your enthusiasm is infectious.
I know that Super Rugby title, the second one is
not too far away. Maybe on the thirtieth.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Anniverse we have Super Rugby Hurrah. Kane's could win another one.

Speaker 8 (01:42:08):
Oh mate, that will be epic.

Speaker 11 (01:42:09):
And unfortunately we have quite well fell short a few
years in a row, and even when I before I left,
like semi final, semi final, quarter final, semi finals. So
we're just about there and I think we've got the
group to do it next year. I think most of
the guys it's going to be pretty unchanged, so I'm
looking forward to it and I'm looking forward to try and.

Speaker 8 (01:42:27):
Help the team as much as I can on and
off the field.

Speaker 11 (01:42:29):
And we've got a pretty good group, so hopefully fingers
crossed I can get a title in before I need
to either bugger off somewhere else or or roll up my.

Speaker 8 (01:42:38):
Sleeves and go for another season.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Love it, Bratt, thanks for stopping and made always great
catching up.

Speaker 11 (01:42:42):
Yeah, thank you, mate, And I just want to say
before I go, like Piney, you blow a lot of
smoke up other people's bums, but what you do for
not just New Yiler Rugby New Zealand Sport as amazing mate, and.

Speaker 8 (01:42:52):
Keep fighting the good fight. So we appreciate what you
do for us. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
You're very good man, Brad. Thank you very much for
the kind words.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Brad Shields with us here on News Talks Heed be
coming to your life today from SHD twenty two to twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Seven, going to change the shape of the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Talk some football next with Isaac Hues and Core and
Piper out of the Wellington Phoenix.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Here on site.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
The legendary Sports Cafe is back, but not as you
know it now. Officially an award winning podcast. Sports Cafe
Ish is a return to form for hosts Rick Solito,
Lee Hart and Mark Ellis tackling the big sporting issues
of the day. The Sports Cafe trio welcomes a stellar
lineup of guests, not limited to some of New Zealand's
sporting elite both past and present. Expect that limits will

(01:43:32):
be pushed, havoc will be created, and plenty of laths
will be had along the way. The guys will reminisce
and lay blame upon some of the historic moments from
the iconic Sports Cafe TV show. With the unique blend
of humor and insight, Sports Cafe Ish promises to be
a wild ride. Don't miss out on the fun, the
chaos and the unforgettable moments. Tune into Sports Cafe Ish

(01:43:54):
now on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Good Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington. It's Weekend
Sport with Jason Finne and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealands
Trusted home Builder.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
News Talks AB News Talks ab a weekend Sport coming
to your Live from Shared twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
It's humming away in the background.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
What are we now two thirty so a couple of
hours away from the women's game at Sky Stadium and
then five past seven for the All Blacks against France.
And once the rugby posts are done with tonight they'll
be dispensed with because Wrexham are on the way for
a game of football. They've kicked off their Australasian tour
with a three nil win over a league club, Melbourne Victory.
They play Sydney FC on Tuesday and then next Saturday

(01:44:36):
they'll be here in Wellington to take on the Phoenix
at Sky Stadium, a five o'clock kickoff. Great to be
joined here at Shed twenty two by Phoenix players Corbyn
Piper and Isaac Hughes. Thanks for topping in for a
check boys. If you were training this morning, Quzy ive
come from training?

Speaker 19 (01:44:51):
Yeah, just come from training. It was actually a bit
touch and go whether or not I was going to
get her on time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
But yeah, well I appreciate you speeding, you know, legally
along the motorway to get here.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
And now, Corbyn, you've got a bit of a niggle
at the moment. What's going on?

Speaker 20 (01:45:04):
Yeah, just a little nigger going the grind and currently
rehaving it. I've been reh having it since the Australian Cup.
But hopefully, yeah, I'll be ready for the start of
the season. But unfortunately I'll be missing the Rick.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Some game, all right, it's a shame for you, but Isaac,
for you, are you looking forward to I mean a
game at this time of the year is a little
bit rare with the the off season, you know, often
just a whole bunch of training.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
I am actually looking forward to having rixam here.

Speaker 8 (01:45:29):
Yeah, really looking forward to it.

Speaker 19 (01:45:31):
I think it's really exciting to play against opposition from Europe.

Speaker 8 (01:45:36):
That's a big thing. Like playing against English opposition would
be interesting to.

Speaker 10 (01:45:39):
See how we fare, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:45:40):
I'd imagine they'll be a bit more physical, so it'd
be really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
You've been back in pre season for what a couple
of weeks now, I think first of July was when
he came back. How much are you reviewing what happened
last season compared to Hughes, how much you're looking ahead
to the next season.

Speaker 19 (01:45:59):
It's a good question that it's it's one of those things, right,
like you have to learn last season was poor and
it wasn't good enough, and everyone at the club knows
that and we have to you know, learn from that
and review what went wrong, and you know, but at
the same time, we need to step into the new
season with positivity because everyone starts on zero points and

(01:46:19):
it's there's a big opportunity for us to you know,
do really well and get into that top six and
hopefully get in playing for finals football again and covin.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
For you, it was your first seasons as a professional.
How do you reflect on it in general terms from
a personal point of view?

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
First of all, yeah, I mean me personally.

Speaker 20 (01:46:39):
It's hard to say because it was such a rough
season for the team, But for myself, I was I
was I was happy to actually even start a couple
of games at the beginning, but then I wanted more
and more to yeah, push my way into the starting team,
and fortunately for me, there was a couple of injuries
and with my versatility, I was able to you know,

(01:47:01):
fill the spots, and yeah, I was me personally quite happy,
but obviously for the team, I was really disappointed.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
Yeah, yeah, I was just going to pick up on that.
So you can still be satisfied with your own performances.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
But I guess anyone would say they'd rather have a
terrible game and win one nil then have an absolute
stormer and lose one nil.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
But you can still take pride and your development as
a player.

Speaker 20 (01:47:22):
For example, Yeah, one hundred per cent, because I came
from an amateur team beforehand. So me being in a
pro environment and being able to actually showcase myself and
a professional team is yeah for me amazing.

Speaker 8 (01:47:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
And I guess every time you play Hugh's a you
have an opportunity to develop and to learn. I mean,
how do you assist your last season and in terms
of your development as a footballer.

Speaker 19 (01:47:50):
To be honest, in terms of development, like kind of
went as good as you could hope in that sort
of sense, because you think of I think I've played
a lot of games where I've played well again Lake Corbyn,
where I think I've played a large amount of games where.

Speaker 8 (01:48:06):
I thought I played well but we lost two nil.

Speaker 19 (01:48:10):
I thought those games where me and Scotty played well
but we defended that many.

Speaker 8 (01:48:13):
Attacks that we lost by considerable amount.

Speaker 19 (01:48:18):
But I think there was also moments that weren't good enough,
and I think there's areas for me to improve. And
then that's the same for everyone in the team and
that's good because it gives me an opportunity to grow
and get better. But I think I also enjoyed that
I got exposure to, like public criticism and maybe social
media criticism. I think it helps you develop as a person,

(01:48:42):
helps you develop as like a player, and that's something
that we need to get used to those players now, right.
Public criticism is part of the job, and I'm glad
I got some of that.

Speaker 8 (01:48:52):
And know how to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Such an interesting comment that you make, and even to
say you enjoyed the criticism, I'm sure you didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
Enjoy it like you enjoy a night out with your mate.
But I know what you're saying. It is part and past.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
All these days, anybody with an interneate connection in a
smartphone can far off any comment they like right there.
First of all, how do you filter it out? How
do you do you stay away from it? How do
you how do you deal with that?

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
I didn't.

Speaker 19 (01:49:21):
One thing someone said to me once was like, don't
take criticism from someone you wouldn't go to for advice.
And it's that sort of thing where it's like, you know,
when there is issues that need to be solved, I've
got intelligent football people around me who can tell me
how to solve that problem. I don't necessarily need to
look at an Instagram comment, But I think you also

(01:49:42):
have to be smart around.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
After a game.

Speaker 19 (01:49:46):
Your emotions are very high because if we lose a game,
I probably won't speak to anyone for like a couple
of days. So the idea of looking in your comments
section immediately post game is just bad.

Speaker 17 (01:50:00):
So I.

Speaker 8 (01:50:02):
Around the time the game, I delete Instagram off.

Speaker 19 (01:50:04):
My phone and I don't re download it until later
on in the week, just so I don't have any
notifications that come through in that like heightened emotional period.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
You know, it's a great way. Do you do the
sime com or do you delete or do you just avoid?
What's your strategy?

Speaker 8 (01:50:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Every day he's got to keep us followers, he's got
to keep us.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
He's an influencer.

Speaker 20 (01:50:26):
I actually I actually read read a lot online, and
I think reading those negative comments, like I saw quite
a few negative comments last season, even though I thought
I was having quite a positive season for myself.

Speaker 8 (01:50:39):
But yeah, I like to actually read them, and I
feel like it.

Speaker 20 (01:50:43):
Makes me even mentally stronger, and I kind of I
have this mentality of like proving people wrong. I love
proving people wrong. I've like to say I've done it
my whole life. Like school teachers telling me I can't
make a living out of football, like it just made
me want it even more. So I kind of like
to read them and use it as almost like a
bit of drive and motivation.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
So yeah, I love that, really love it. And uh
do you talk about it? You know, And it's a
great it's a great piece of advice.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Don't take criticism from someone you would take advice from
outside of the Wellington Phoenix environment. Do you have people
whose advice you value and advice whose advice you do
you trust?

Speaker 8 (01:51:21):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 20 (01:51:22):
Like my mum, my whole life has been quite brutal
with me from such a young age. If I had
a bad game when I was younger, she wouldn't talk
to me, you know, and you know, like like it
was a it was a horrible car ride home, and
I think that built resilience for me. And yeah, it
made me play bit on the fields. As harsh as

(01:51:43):
it was, I think it was the best thing for me.

Speaker 13 (01:51:45):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
I was just gonna ask about the new strip as well.
Now I've seen it modeled.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
Were you in part? Were you in the photo shoot? Corbyn?

Speaker 7 (01:51:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:51:54):
Yeah? Were you?

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Who's here as well?

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
I thought I must I must have missed yours, because
why would they choose him and not you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Do they ask volunteers for the sort of thing that
they say, right, we're need some clearly we're going to use.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
How does it work?

Speaker 8 (01:52:12):
I actually don't know, because you think they go for
the good looking players. Luke brook Smith got chosen.

Speaker 19 (01:52:19):
Yeah, actually I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:52:21):
Maybe they I don't know what they do.

Speaker 20 (01:52:22):
When I seen him there, I knew it wasn't like
the justslocking ones.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
I think she met Sheridan and there as well, so yeah,
yeah too fair.

Speaker 19 (01:52:32):
Didn't they you know, want to show what the kit
would look like on the average bloke you know, so.

Speaker 8 (01:52:38):
Involved?

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Yeah, but they just get normal fans and you know
that's what looks like if you buy it. How much
did the Derby add to the A League environment last year?

Speaker 4 (01:52:49):
Corbyn?

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
You know what, those games were pretty special years. They
didn't go the way the Phoenix would have hoped. But
what did they add to the A League? And it
was only your first year but did you enjoy them?

Speaker 20 (01:52:57):
Yeah, I mean the only one I played was the
unfortunate sex one last. I think so for me it
wasn't the most enjoying game, but playing in front of
my hometown, a professional game with all my friends and
family there was quite special for myself. Even though obviously

(01:53:18):
we last, it wasn't it was quite humiliating. Yeah, I
think it's definitely good for use some on football though,
having that tarby that brings all the fans together and
creates a sort of ra livalry that you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Want in football, you know, And the nature of football
was that, you know, players come, players go all the time.
A couple of players well one you mentioned before Scott Wooton,
Sam South and another you know, pretty regular member of
the back four Cusa.

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
They've both gone to Perth Glory. So that means a
regent for you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
But I guess like a guy like Scott Watson was
so much experience. How helpful was he to you during
your time together?

Speaker 8 (01:53:53):
And yeah he was. He was incredible to be fair.

Speaker 19 (01:53:57):
Even like everyone will think about last season and with
me and Scott, but even as early as like off
his last season, I was training quite a lot with
the first team and around that time, you know, I
was probably I don't know how old I was, but
I was super young. I was nervous being around and

(01:54:17):
Scott not only would give you a great football insight,
he's just like a very welcoming and sociable and personal
person and that just kind of as a young player,
just having one of the older lads to just be
so welcome into you and so like embracing you and
bringing them your under their wing, it sort of really.

Speaker 8 (01:54:34):
Helps you, like with that confidence to perform. So yeah,
Scott is a big miss.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
And just to finish Corn, I mean, like I said
that last season's gone there, I kind of anything about it.
But do you have a positive feeling I guess you
have to about about next season and how will you
as a team approach the new campaign.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
Yeah, I think we're.

Speaker 20 (01:54:55):
Already started the season quite strong. Like even even watching
the boys training, it's just there's a different type of
intensity and it's like a almost likely want to prove
everyone I'm wrong and really strive for it this year.
And I think the boys are really up for it,
and there's it's good vibes around the changing room. We've
put last season behind us. We're yeah, I think we're

(01:55:16):
really going to push for.

Speaker 8 (01:55:17):
It this year.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
All right, you feel the same way, was it?

Speaker 7 (01:55:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:55:20):
Training's been really really hard. My body is absolutely on
the ropes.

Speaker 19 (01:55:25):
But yeah, everyone is at it with a different level
of intensity and a different level of focus.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
So yeah, well can't wait to see how you go
against Rixam Nick Saturday, and that's going to be quite
the occasion.

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
Recover well, former night, will you see your beg real soon?

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
All the best against the finest Rixam have to offer
next Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:55:42):
Husaynix for stopping him, Boys Sis Biny.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Corbyn Parker and Isaac Hughes joining us here in an
increasingly loud Ship twenty two as you can probably hear
eighteen away from three, and that we're going to stay
with football.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
One of the Phoenix's most vigorous enthusiastic fans going to
join us right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
On Weekend Sport, cutting down to all blacks, feed Frans
on your home of Sport. It'st Weekend Sport Live from
TED twenty two in Wellington with Chason Pine and TJ
Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder news talks that'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
Fourteen away from three.

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
And I've said it a few times but whoever came
up with the idea of broadcasting live on the day
of games from a downtown pub needs some sort of
promotion or certainly quite a bit of kudos, because it's
been great here at CHED twenty two. For those of
you in Hamilton next weekend Saturday twelve to three, we'll
be coming to you from the Roaming Giants, which I'm
told is a very impressive establishment, so we'll look forward

(01:56:41):
to bringing you the show from their next Saturday ahead
of the Third Test.

Speaker 8 (01:56:44):
But now stick with the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
Football theme because we've just heard from Corbyn Piper and
Isaac Hughes from the Wellington Phoenix, and Sam Parkins has
stopped in a fully signed up member of Yellow Fever.

Speaker 8 (01:56:56):
How are you mate?

Speaker 14 (01:56:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:56:57):
All good, Thank you, thank you for having me first
of all, No.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
It's good to have you in here.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
Now are you looking forward to watching your team play
against Wrexham next Saturday?

Speaker 13 (01:57:05):
I am.

Speaker 21 (01:57:06):
It's a long wait between seasons, usually May to October,
so it's nice to have another game and you know,
in the winter.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
There's no getting away from it. Before we talk about
rex and last season was disappointing. I guess you're right
the highs and the lows as a sports fan, But yeah,
how have you how long did it take you to
recover from last season? Have you have you sort of
put it behind you in the rearview mirror.

Speaker 8 (01:57:32):
For the most part, yes, don't. We don't want to
linger on it.

Speaker 21 (01:57:36):
We started off the season very well and obviously based
on the twenty three to twenty four season we were expecting,
maybe not quite as good, but substantially you know, top
of the table at least.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Yeah, it's a tough question.

Speaker 21 (01:57:54):
Like I said, we don't want to linger on it,
and we're looking forward. But there are things that I
think we can learn from as fans as well as
the players can learn from.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
Okay, well let's pick up on that then. So so,
I mean players have reviews to fans do the same.
Do Yellow Fever have a review of the season?

Speaker 18 (01:58:13):
We do.

Speaker 8 (01:58:16):
Nothing official official, but.

Speaker 21 (01:58:19):
We definitely talk week to week and then at the
end of the season we have a you know, people
that want to talk to each other about it can talk.
But like I said, we try and look forward and
focus on the new one.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
So sport is passionate right.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
I mean if the fans are the most passionate people
in sport, I believe because they're the only ones who
are truly loyal to the team. You know, players come
and go all the time, so to coaches, so to manageers,
so to sponsors. But fans, if they are true fans,
stick through thick and thin. So that also means you
have to ride the highs and the lows. So what
is your general approach to supporting this team that can

(01:58:58):
take you on a bit of a roller coaster at times.

Speaker 21 (01:59:00):
I think that is one of the strengths of the
Yellow Fever is that there are so many people that
have been around since the beginning, since two thousand and seven,
even people that started watching during lockdown, that's still four
or five seasons of solid support.

Speaker 8 (01:59:16):
And that's not not just Wellington.

Speaker 21 (01:59:17):
There's personally I have friends in Auckland that have stuck
with them, in Melbourne and Sydney and christ Church, even
some in London that watch. They get up in the
middle of the night to watch the games or whenever
the games are happening.

Speaker 18 (01:59:32):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:59:35):
Yeah, it's just it's so good to see the loyalty
despite the upstander downs, not just last season, but four
or five, six years ago, ten years ago. We've had
low moments, but people still stick around.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
How do you feel about Auckland FC?

Speaker 8 (01:59:55):
They did well, the players did well.

Speaker 21 (01:59:59):
I went up to the first no, sorry, I was
at the first rby in Wellington and then I went
up to the second derby in Auckland.

Speaker 8 (02:00:06):
Than I missed the third one, which is also on Auckland.

Speaker 21 (02:00:11):
It's unfortunate that we lost to them, but I mean
someone's got to win it, and they've played well. They've
got a great manager in Steve Corricker. The running of
the club it seems pretty decent so far, but it
is the first season. Who knows what could happen to them.
I'm not sure about any new signings that they've made.

(02:00:33):
So let's hope that we get at least one win
this season, well at least.

Speaker 8 (02:00:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Well, I think the fixture list for next season is
due out soon actually on soon, yeah, back end of July.
So are they going to be the first games you
look for the tarbies because.

Speaker 4 (02:00:47):
Presumably the week two in Wellington this season.

Speaker 8 (02:00:50):
Well, we would hope, so.

Speaker 21 (02:00:54):
Yeah, I think that will be high up on people's
lists of games that they would like to attend. I'm
pretty sure they're contracted to play one in christ.

Speaker 8 (02:01:03):
Hurts as well.

Speaker 21 (02:01:04):
Obviously not against Auckland, it will be against someone else.
But that's always a fun trip. I did that last
I think it was in January. Yeah, definitely, it should
be a good atmosphere and fingers.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
Crossed absolutely and just and to wrectom next Saturday, what
are you anything special planned?

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
I think there's a big crowd in coming.

Speaker 3 (02:01:26):
Anything special plan for next Saturday when wrecam come there should.

Speaker 8 (02:01:29):
Be a good crowd.

Speaker 21 (02:01:30):
I watched the Rectim game against Melbourne Victory last night
and there were a lot of red shirts in that
marble stadium. As for the Yellow Fever, we're going to
be at the Featherston Bar, which is on the corner
of Featherston and Johnston Street and the CBD there. That's
our home away from home, well like our home venue

(02:01:50):
last season and also this upcoming season which is October,
so we should be there around two o'clock onwards and
then it's a five o'clock kickoff, so we'd be leaving
it up four.

Speaker 8 (02:02:02):
That will include a march with flags drums.

Speaker 21 (02:02:07):
We encourage everybody to bring their kids along, make some
noise they possibly like things like face painting and things
like that, and then yeah much in the stadium and
the stadium atmosphere. I think we'll be good as well
in that sold out feather zone.

Speaker 4 (02:02:23):
Yeah, it'll be absolutely brilliant, all right, Sam.

Speaker 3 (02:02:25):
Well, as I say, supporting any sports team as a
roller coaster, there are very few teams that win every week,
So congratulations on your ongoing support of Wellington Phoenix. I
hope that the Yellow Fever have a season to remember
when it rolls around again, and a great day next Saturday.

Speaker 21 (02:02:40):
We remember every season, good or bad.

Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
Good man, that's the spirit that is.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
Sam Parkins a fully fledged and enthusiastic member of Yellow Fever,
joining us here at Shed twenty two Phoenix Wrecksham next Saturday,
five o'clock at Sky Stadium. Tickets are selling fast, I
know a lot of sold, but still some available if
you want to get along to that.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
Seven and a half away from three News talks had been.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
Flyve from Shed twenty two and ad and the All
lags FE France Weeken Sport with Jason Pine and GJ.
Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder on your
home of Sport News Talks.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
That'd be and that brings to an end Weekend Sport
for today from Shit twenty two and Wellington. Huge thanks
to the team here for accommodating us. That's the thanks
to Zoe Laddell for on site support and for producer
and McDonald pushing the buttons as usual. We've got the
exit song today, mate, what are we.

Speaker 4 (02:03:33):
Going with the y spiney.

Speaker 22 (02:03:34):
I've gone for Wellington themed scorpions actually rock you like
a hurricane and on hurricanes. Also those people that have
been dealing with the awful weather. I hope you're keeping
well as well. But scorpions to lead us out tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:03:48):
Finey, excellent, Thanks Andy.

Speaker 3 (02:03:49):
Join us tomorrow between mid day and three will break
down whatever happens tonight, whatever that may be.

Speaker 4 (02:03:54):
See tomorrow at midday.

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to News Talks it Be weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 12 July 2025

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 12 July 2025

Stuff You Should Know