Full Show Podcast: 13 July 2025

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Be All Blacks forty three Front seventeen. You're Black Boats
sooner up in the series and a much improved performance
and fronts of the Wellington Faithful tonight.

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Are much much much better. All Black's performance Assistant coach
Talmasey Ellison standing by to lead us off former England's
international loose for Thomas Waldron with his thoughts after one,
the postgame thoughts of some of the key players as well,
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today compared to last Sunday? You might be able to
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Speaker 1 (03:01):
The schoon from the trag fields and the court on
your home of sort weekends for what where's Jason?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
You talk me?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Look to drive away to go down the left hand line.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
What happened there camp right?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
God sneaks away from outside the twenty two and the
All Blacks for the first.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Of the night. Yeah, the All Black stumping France forty
three seventeen and Wellington last night to reclaim the Dave
Gallaher Trophy for the first time since twenty eighteen. Very
comprehensive first half, a twenty nine to three lead at
the break that laid the platform for one of the
better wins of the Scott Robertson era. All Black's assistant

(03:40):
coach Tumothy Ellison is with us TMOTY. Thanks for your
time this afternoon. What were your first thoughts on the
game when you woke up this morning and had given
it the overnight test.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
I think we were probably started with better intent than
the collisions than we did last week. I think we
found some flow with our tech. Also similar to last week,
she probably complay needed more the first half.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
If we talk about the improvements that you were really
hoping for from the team and worked on during the week,
what were they and how happy were you with the
step up in those particular areas.

Speaker 7 (04:21):
I think on the defensive side of the ball again,
around our tent and our tackle height you were seen
last week and thened and we probably we wrote a
few too many tackles and against big sides, you know
they can just eat the game. Lineup and continue to
play on top of you. So we were happy with
with parts of that in the first half, which then

(04:43):
a few more turnovers than that we could attack from
turnover ball.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Brian Evans has coming to the coaching group to work
on line out efficiency, and your first three tries came
from lineouts. He's earning his money already by the looks
of things.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
Yeah, he's got a good relationship with Healthie, with Jason Holland,
and it's great to see it to an area of
the game where from last year really have an emphasis
on our strike So it's been nice for both those
men to work together and give Jesse Ryan some time
to keep his eyes across other things.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think that cam rouyguard try the first one is
out of the Hurricanes playbook, so Brillivan's obviously going straight
from the Hurricanes into the All Blacks and bringing the
same moves with the same same outcomes.

Speaker 7 (05:28):
Yeah, well they got some Hurricanes bones and that that
strike group with both Brennan and Alfie.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, it was a beauty two Paul vas try flowing move.
How much of that Tumty has trained, you know, in
terms of of attack and how much is that just
the player's high level skill sets in the heat of
the moment.

Speaker 7 (05:50):
I think it's both. We have players that have high
level skill sets, some great footwork and ability to move
the ball, so that during the working week you have
to give them opportunity to continue to grow those skill
sets that they have. So yeah, it was nice to
see Area punching through and sighting the target and the
boys getting over there.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
How do you evaluate Billy Proctor's development in the number
thirteen Jersey?

Speaker 7 (06:13):
Yeah, I think it's new from some of the adjustments
and test footy.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
What sort of things in particular.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
I think defensively just working at how much lines but
he needs to bring and how connector needs to be
with his insights. You know, one of the best edge
defenders in Super Ugly without a doubt. So he'll continue
to grow and make some adjustments. And as a player
who's hungry to get better, so that will become easier.

(06:43):
You're taking some of the boys. He's great, nice offset
a hand, so both those areas will continue to develop.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
A lot of kicking last night, as we knew there
was going to be, and it's always a bit tricky
and Wellington with the unique conditions inside Sky stadium. How
do you assess your kicking game in general terms?

Speaker 7 (07:00):
Yeah, I think Body mentioned that halftime. He just he
pushed a couple a week but long, so they're able
to mark them a couple opportunities there to bring them
forward and then go into our tackle plans. But also
thought we kicked on top really well and Will Jordan
wiped a few back to back corners and we're able
to put them under. And there's some pressure with put
the bouncing ball on a greasy, greezy night.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Do we need to get rid of this deliberate knockdown
yellow card rule?

Speaker 8 (07:27):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (07:28):
Yeah, I think you have to look at things and
work out how much time the player had to make
a decision and versus someone who's defensively in the line
coming forward. But I think I'm not sure that the
yellow card part. But I think you have to read
the situation. That's sure, the context of when it's happened totally.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Look, I totally get them. If he's knocked it down,
that's fine, but the yellow card part of it. Body
even said afterwards, Tommy, he might have hurt his comments.
You know, he doesn't have time to make that decision.
And if a player of his caliber doesn't then.

Speaker 9 (08:00):
Who can Yeah, yeah, you're right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
The chance to add another player to the All Blacks
family last night to Mathy Taata. Now, I came on
in the first half as as an Hia replacement for
Jordie and then had you know, another fifteen twenty minutes
in the second half. What did you make of his
test debut?

Speaker 7 (08:16):
I thought he got on top. I thought he was
really keen, especially right at the end of the game
where I think he had multiple multiple touches and carries
on the same play. Today was hungry, and I think
the more opportunity's given them more he'll be able to
show what was scenery super. He's been great. You know,
he's really fit it into the group nicely, and I

(08:38):
think getting the first one under his belt will really
set him.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Up as a coaching group and as a playing group.
I guess, how do you best prepare a player during
the week leading into his test debut.

Speaker 7 (08:50):
I think the leaders do a really good job of
setting examples. Your field staff, support the player and his
family and help them line things up and you know,
so they can concentrate on what they're really good at.
And there's a lot more moving parts in a bigger
and a bigger machine. So we really want them to
focus on what they're already good at and hopefully that

(09:12):
that comes easier to them. We've got great leaders, that's
a great example, so you know that's normally done, and.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
It must be really cool to be able to celebrate
that sort of thing afterwards. I know, you know you've
obviously much better when you've had a good win, but
it must be really cool looking around at a shit
afterwards and seeing a new guy like him and welcoming
him in in that way.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
That's amazing. I think everyone remembers the first time and
the great job. You know, lot off field staff and
I like to get families involved and make that moment
really special.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
So we go to Hamilton now for the third Test.
Does the victory last night Tamata and the series win
give you a bit more freedom when it comes to
team selection next week, given guys who haven't had a
game in this series yet the chance.

Speaker 10 (09:57):
To have one.

Speaker 7 (09:59):
I'm not sure exactly. I think it gives us confidence.
It gives us some nice energy to go and build
a build a better week than we had this week.
I think that's important. We're really clear on where we
can make improvements in our structure. It's only week two,
so I think that's what will give us more than anything.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
How much are you growing as a coach in the
All Black's environment.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
I'm not sure you have to ask the players.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
How are you enjoying it?

Speaker 7 (10:27):
Then? Yeah, I really enjoy it. I enjoy the work.
It's not for everyone, you know, the late nights. We've
had Wayne Smith in this week, and you know, he
said to me last night about one in the morning,
the back of the tell he never was comfortable as
an All Black coach. So it's one of those things
if you want to do it for a reasonable period

(10:50):
and be successful, it's every day it's turning up. And
the thing I really enjoy is is making others better.
You get up and get an opportunity to find something
in someone's game that you can help improve, and you
know that's really rewarding.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I guess we don't see any of that stuff, do we.
As you say the late nights, I'm sure you're on
your laptop a lot. You're probably, you know, thinking about
rugby all the time. All we sees the eighty minutes
on a Saturday sounds like there's a heck of a
lot that goes into it during the week. Letting into
a test.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Yeah it can be, but but again it's it's what
the Jersey demands and we understand that the commitment when
when you sign up.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
So yeah, good man, Tummody, congrats on the win last night.
All the best for the week ahead as you hit
to Hamilton.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Thanks Pony, appreciate the call.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
No, I appreciate you taking the call, Tummoty. Thanks indeed,
Tumoty Ellison assistant coach or one of the assistant coaches
in the All Black setup twelve eighteen. Your chance to
react now to what you heard there or what you
saw or heard last night. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. I think it's obvious we need to be
realistic in our expectations ahead of Test one of any

(11:57):
calendar year. Last weekend was a typical first Test of
the year performance but clunky, not quite the cohesion, a
few area to work on which we should expect. I
think we come to the first test of every year
and we forget that it takes a bit of time.
Last night was the result of a few things, but
certainly the result of an extra week together a couple

(12:22):
of standouts. Artie Savier need some new words for Ardie Savier,
find me some new words. I've run out. I've runout.
I think to Porvai showed growth in the number six jersey.
Maybe he is the man for that position. Maybe he
is the guy we've been looking for to fill the
six jersey ever since Jerome Knell. Really other blokes I've

(12:46):
had to go at at, Shannon Frazell started to look
quite good before he left our shores. I wonder whether
it is to porvais who's your man in that six jersey?
Now he can't play this coming week. It's been confirmed
this morning that he failed his HIA last night to
so they are going to have to make a change.
They may have made a change anyway, but I don't know.

(13:07):
I just wonder whether they'll give him another couple of
games against Argentina and maybe he is your man for
those big upcoming tests. And cam Roygard. Cam Roygard was
terrific last night. He is our best halfback by quite
some distance, one of the best nines in the world,
even at this early stage in his career. Now, one
of the narratives I've seen and it's coming through on

(13:28):
text already is that this wasn't a quality opposition, and
that's true, of course it's not. I think we were
perhaps given a false sense of this under strength French
side last weekend. Last night showed the reality the gap
in class. And yes, the step up in the Rugby
Championship and in particular in those big September Test matches
against South Africa will be significant. But the All Blacks

(13:50):
can only play what's in front of them and that's
what they did last night. They'll do it again next
week as well. I think we'll have a similar situation
next week. I think the French will probably just be
waiting to get on the plane and get out of here.
And just before we go to the lines, can we
please get rid of one of the silliest rules in rugby,
the so called deliberate knockdown that leads to yellow cards.

(14:12):
We had one last week in Dunedin for the French player.
We had another one last night. You tell me what
Boden Barrett is supposed to do in that situation and
whether he has done anything deliberate to stop that move
yellow carded for a deliberate knockdown. Here's Boden Barrett himself afterwards.

(14:34):
I didn't have time to think about knocking it down.

Speaker 11 (14:37):
I was in a situation where I was potentially making
a tackle or going into a breakdown. It's an area
that off the game where I've been stung before. It's
often spoken about an area where there's mean in rugby
league it's a lot different to rugby union. So there's
certainly no intention to knock the ball down for me.

(14:57):
So often you're the last defender or second to last
defender and you just have to be so careful, like
you say, so, it's frustrating part of the game, to
be honest.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Look, we all understand the intent of the rule. We
all understand the intent of the rule. They deliberate knock,
knock on, deliberate knockdown, what do you want to call it.
We understand why it's there. We don't want guys up
on the line deliberately knocking the ball down when there's
an overlap and a tri scoring opportunity. But that's not
what this is. That is not what this is. Have

(15:30):
some common sense a penalty, sure, if you like a
yellow card, a yellow card for that, No way, Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is our number nine two
nine to two on text. Let's get underway, Hey.

Speaker 12 (15:47):
Mark, Hey finy. Yeah, there was actually an incident in
the second half. I think when Rico like caught the
ball out completely outstretched and sort of enter. He ended
up going to touch. But if he hadn't caught that,
he probably would have been off as well. But stupid.
I mean, there's there's a few. There's a few rule
I'd like to get rid of. I reckon getting rid

(16:09):
of the penalty for bringing down a rolling ball is
the most ridiculous role that's ever existed. I mean, the
whole idea of rugby is to get the player on
the ground. But there it's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
No, and the knockdown yeah, before you move on the
knockdown one, we all get it. But it should only
be a yellow card if it is absolutely unequivocally prevented
a tribe from being scored and is absolutely deliberate. There's
no way the human brain of a normal person like
you and me can work as fast as is needed

(16:40):
to deliberately knock their ball down, let alone boat and
bear it.

Speaker 12 (16:44):
Oh No, And I think that the yellow card to
me is getting used too frequently for things that just
tappen accidentally. To me, a yellow card should be something
completely careless or like, you know, deliberate. You know, like
players are getting sent off for these context accidental contacts
with their head and to me, some of them are

(17:04):
just like ludicrous. But I mean, I guess you sort
of don't know where it starts and ends with that role.
I guess that's why the TMO gets the big bucks
to take a lot of decisions about.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
The yea yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I think we should
I think we should move on from the deliberate.

Speaker 12 (17:20):
Not yeah yeah, no the game when you're at the
go at the game last night, so on the sideline
over there, the aerial game is still not accurate. It's
when you're at the game you can see how bad
it is. I mean, they're just not even giving themselves
a chance to catch that ball again. And to me,
you've got to come up with a plan, especially against

(17:41):
a team like South Africa, You've got to win that
fifty to fifty ball at least fifty percent of the
time because if you're not, I mean, that's French team
last night was not a good team. You know, I
watched the Lions who were actually pretty awesome dispatching the
Aussie n Z combo, and the Africans who were down
to fourteen men just still blitzed Italy. I mean it's

(18:02):
a huge step up from this French side last night,
and the curiousy that the All Blacks are showing under
the highball. I just don't think they're going to be
able to compete with these top teams.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, still a work on, Mark, Absolutely still a work on.
And you can you can talk about the wind last night,
which you know very well as do I in that
in that ground. But you're right there what you said.
If you're not winning a fifty to fifty you know,
scenario fifty percent of the time, then it's not a
fifty to fifty scenario.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
Is it.

Speaker 12 (18:32):
Yeah, just a quick question on there. If you if
you click the ball up like from a box kick
and you're trying to retrieve it, can you lift a
player like in a line now or like a kickoff.
You must be able to get two players under that
baller like lift a player, couldn't you.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Well, yeah, you'd have to get there though, wouldn't you.
And I think it's the timers of the essence. Yeah,
I guess theoretically you could. Yes, you could get there.

Speaker 8 (18:54):
I know.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
They're also really cracking down though, on any interference by
runners who aren't Yeah, so actually the answer is probably no,
I know, a refere or get in touch. But they're
cracking down on anybody interfering with the guy who's trying
to catch the ball. And I think if you can't
need to try and lift lift a player, even if
you're not really interfering with him, Look, I just can't
see how you'd managed to do it.

Speaker 12 (19:15):
Mark, Well, did you see that box move where they
didn't like a pass?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. And
did you see what they did from the very first
did you see what they did from the very first
kickoff this morning? The box they deliberately, they deliberately kicked
it less than ten meters so that the first move
of the whole game would be an Italian scrum. So
they manufactured from the first kickoff. They just think that

(19:42):
a couple of meters refere goes away, hasn't gone ten
that's a scrum to the opposition, which is exactly what
South Africa wanted in the first ten seconds they manufactured
and opposition scrum so they could assert their dominance. How's that?

Speaker 7 (19:56):
I just think that.

Speaker 12 (19:57):
I mean, unfortunately they are the real innovators of the
game in South Africa. Yeah, leading I saw they did
a fireworks display the other last week when they all
the bomb squad on the set firework.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I quite enjoyed. I'm sure you would have. I quite enjoyed.
POI a at halftime last night in the dark with
the with the fluorescent poise mark. Anyway, we digress. A
lot of people actually talking about the music at the games.
I don't want to talk about this today. I'm sorry.
I want to talk about the rugby. But a lot
of people say why do we play so much music
at the games? And the boomer and me tends to agree,

(20:31):
I'm not sure it's needed. It seems like every stoppage
and play results in music being played, and then the
game's going on and the music still going. Anyway, Like
I say, I don't really want to talk about it.
What have I just done talked about it? Get a greg, Hey,
you ain't money, good Greek?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
No more music.

Speaker 13 (20:52):
I just wanted to pointing out.

Speaker 14 (20:55):
One thing that sort of struck me as quite odd
at the game, which was when Bodenbart was basically trimnant
to the ground quite a number four for France. All
that happened was a penalty. And now the way that
I looked at what happened was that he was driven

(21:17):
into the ground. But then the French guy drove his
head into vote about chips and he or knows because
he even drew blood. Now, in any other situation would
be onto it. And I found it really strange that
all that happened was a penalty.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
There was a yellow card as well. Greek there was
a yellow card as well. I think it was It
was just a Jordi. I think it was Jordi Barrett. Yeah,
it was tiptacle. And we went all the way down
the other end, had a couple of phases. They in
fact France got a penalty and then they we stopped
and then we came back. And are you wondering why
that was only a yellow car and maybe not upgraded
to a red?

Speaker 14 (21:58):
Well, yeah, I thought it should have been upgraded to
a red because in any other instance that I've seen
this year, it would have been a red upgraded to
a red card.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Did you Yeah, no, Willie Well he landed on his head,
so I would not have been at all surprised if
it was upgraded. It's one of those Greg. You probably
heard the heard the conversation between the officials. They said, yep,
yellow card, off field review, and then the off field
review came back as it's going to remain a yellow.
There was no explanation as to that, so you can

(22:31):
only assume there was mitigation whatever that means. Maybe like
they didn't absolutely drive him into the turf. They tried
to stop him, but no, his head and shoulder hit
the turf, so maybe there's that. But yeah, look, it
wouldn't have been at all surprising if it was if
it was upgraded.

Speaker 14 (22:48):
Yeah, no, I just found it quite quite odd of
the way the game thankually going in a speed read
these days.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, good on your Greg, drive safe mate. Good to
hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
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Speaker 12 (23:47):
Hey.

Speaker 15 (23:48):
For me, the big talking point for my viewing of
that match last night was no TMO. Wasn't it absolutely refreshing.
I don't think any try went upstairs for either France
or Hillback, so I if there was, it might have
been one. I just loved the way the rev just
made the call, saw what it was, didn't have to

(24:09):
wait twenty minutes for body to take his conversion or
you know, like they had last week, and then move on.
I not often I praise an English referee, but I
thought he had a He had a pretty good performance
last night. I didn't do well. I couldn't see anything
he did wrong.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, I mean the TMO was there for the two
yellow cards. You're right about the tries, Jase. I don't
recall any try being held up or relitigated by the
by the TMO. Yeah, yeah, I thought the referee was okay.
I'm just trying to recall. There was a couple of
there was a couple of incidents last night where I
kind of shrug my shoulders, but you know, you move
on the Yeah, look, yeah, yeah, I don't think we

(24:48):
we have to talk too much about the referee today,
which is probably a good thing.

Speaker 15 (24:51):
Well, that's that's the red. Yeah, that's that's the refreshing thing.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
You know.

Speaker 15 (24:55):
You're right about Roy Garden on number nineties. He's our
just hoping nothing happens to him injury wise when we
get to play the real serious games against the box.
He's our Errands Muth's new era of Aaron Smith, no
question at all. I couldn't couldn't, couldn't agree with him
more that it's light years apart.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah. Yeah, he's He's a cracker, isn't he He's a
cracker and he could play He could play a hundred
test for us, easy, thanks, Jace, Peter says Jason, I
don't think you picked up on what Greg was saying
about the Jordy Barrett situation. After he landed on his head,
A separate injury was caused when the tackler himself propelled
his own head into Jordie's face, causing the bleeding nose.

(25:36):
That type of head to head contact, even if not intended,
has led to red cards in the past. Everyone's focused
on the way Jordie landed and the tackle, but no
one is talking about the second incident a split second
after he lands, where there is head to head contact.
Thank you, Peter appreciate it, and Chris says it's ridiculous

(25:57):
giving the yellow card for the knockdown. Yeah. I don't
want to focus on officiating, but it just that rule
has to go or be changed. Yellow cards, you know.
So you look at it. Last night there were two
yellow cards handed out. One was for the tip tackle
on Jordi, which once we had the extra evidence and
that Peter's just sent through and also just the act

(26:20):
itself was a yellow card, could have been a red.
The other yellow card was for Boden Barrett's hand being
in the wrong place. That's it, really, that's it. He
hasn't done anything deliberately. I defy a human being to
be able to go through that thought process that quickly
to think I'm going to put my hand out and

(26:40):
deliberately knock this down. I've watched it a dozen times today.
You simply can't tell me there's any deliberate thought in
the mind of Boden Barrett.

Speaker 16 (26:54):
Hello, Phil, good a pointy How are you good?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Thank you, Phil?

Speaker 16 (27:00):
Excellent. I caught an eye of beyond Sideline last night
while I was watching the games. Then now I thought,
there he is the big man with the headphones on,
looking pretty happy.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Not moving, not moving, not moving very far or very fast.

Speaker 16 (27:13):
PHILM No, No, you were focused on the game on
the spot where you were watching it. But no, that's
that was all good. You're doing your job. You're doing
your job. You've got to keep the eyes on the game.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (27:29):
Much much better performance last night, A step up all right.
From that first half was brilliant. I don't know the
second half whether they just slackened off of it or
the French just improved a bit more. But that first Troy,
what I call the Houdini act, that caught everybody by surprise.
We're all going looking the other way. Next minute he's
off down the blind side and scored a Troy Or
cam Ruger. That was Ansler's genius. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah,

(27:55):
I think too the the the boy year, is it
the number six guy? I'm not good with saying the name.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
No, no, no, no, yep.

Speaker 16 (28:05):
Yeah, I think he's I think that's his position. I
like him. The more I see him in that number
six position, I think that's where he should be. He's
big and strong, you know, and the line out he's good.
And then like you say, in the drive there where
he got that Troy. I definitely think Rais is making
the right decision with that one. And Artie, yeah, you know,

(28:25):
just again, like you say, you just run out of words,
don't you. He's just again it was superb, unreal performance.
Just yeah, it's just what can you say about artists?
So via just excellent. Yeah, I'm gonna do and I'm
just trying to think if I miss anybody. Oh that's
what I thought. The middleman Proctor, Billy Proctor.

Speaker 10 (28:49):
I thought he had.

Speaker 16 (28:51):
I liked his game, but not so much, you know,
because he's working into the center and people were still
wondering if he's the all Black, you know, Centa like
no doubt in the Super Rugby was fantastic. But last
night I thought it was quite good because it wasn't
so much of attacking last night. But I thought his
defense last night was fantastic for the center and also
was getting in there and getting and getting the makestead

(29:11):
as well, we know, and charging forward too and making
the tackles and that. So I was impressed with that
last night, with that part of this game. I don't
know if people picked up on that because you're sort
of looking to see how he's going to combine and
attack rather rather than sort of thinking about the defense
and getting in there and grabbing the ball as well,
and stopped a couple of tries and got over a couple.

(29:33):
Now I'm with you at the yellow card rule with
knocking down the bull. I think that's ridiculous and that
should go. And a good point too. I thought about
the first fell I think caught about the role in
Moon bringing it down. I don't think you should be
penalised for that either. I mean, yeah, trying to stop
the Troy. After all, it's a game trying to stop
tries as well as scored you know, so some I

(29:54):
think some of the rules are a bit over the top,
but I was also thinking the TMO, the ref. One
good thing I thought about the ref last night was
when the TMO called back that play and then the
ref over rids the decisions. They know we're going back,
it's gone back too far. We've played on and we're
going to the line out like, well, that's great because
that's the sort of thing you want to see as

(30:15):
a referee over all with TMO if they go back
quite a bit, you know, I don't know if you
remember that.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
But yeah, Also.

Speaker 16 (30:24):
So I thought that was great to see from the ref,
and I've got a bit of ad, a bit of
a Sooyd twist on it, and I'm thinking that I
don't know if you'll agree with this, but what you'll
think of this, but I'm kind of thinking, Okay, we
whipped them last night, the French the second half, I
think they scored about the same was but we dove
all score. We've done them, and if it happens again

(30:47):
in Hamilton, they go back with a comprehensive beat. Comprehensive
beat the couptor. I'm wondering if the French would be
too upset about that, or they would worry about that
too much because obviously they want to win. Everybody wants
to win. You want to be a winner. But I'm thinking,
because I think that the French coach is looking to
the World Cup, I don't think they'll be too upset

(31:09):
about going back and getting well beaten, because I think
there'll be more He'll be thinking more. Well, I've done
the job of seeing what these players can do. I've
given them a go. Now I can go back mix
it up again with me a players and start looking
at the fowlers that did put in individual good performances
over those three games, and who I'm going to start
to add into a World Cup side.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
So mae, yeah, look Phil, I've got to move mate.
But yeah, I don't think he'll be I don't think
they'll be distraught about it. I don't think they bee
engualtier will We'll obviously say, won't care. Look, he knows
it's not his first choice team. You're right, he's probably
found out a few things about a few players on
this tour, you know. Like I said, I think last
week we got a false impression of of just how

(31:52):
good France were largely, I think because the All Blacks
just you know, had had a typical rusty first up
of the air performance and France you know, yes, they
were good, but I think last night was a more
accurate reflection of the difference between the two sides, and
I fully expect that it'll be the same next week.

(32:14):
I think France will just be looking forward to getting
on the plane. Thanks for your call, Phil, it's eighteen
away from one. A couple of texts to get through
and we'll get a break away. There's a spear line
if you want to jump on, Jason. Fabian Holland has
slotted into this All Blacks team so well. He looks
set to stay there for many years. He does all
his core functions so well and goes for the whole
eighty minutes without tiring. Yeah, he had another good game

(32:34):
last night, didn't he. Fabian Holland, He's He's done everything
expected of him in his first two test matches. You
couldn't really ask for anything more from Fabian Holland. I
wouldn't imagine be very interesting to see how they manage
the locks moving forward, particularly if two por VEII comes
back into the second row, because he was largely acknowledged

(32:55):
as being our best lock last year. Scott Barrett's the captain,
so he has to play. Patrick Twey Pilot too, is
a very good lock, so he's in there as well.
He had a good game last night too, Patrick Tweek
a lot too. Then you got Sam Dowry coming back,
Josh Lord as well others who are going to be

(33:15):
putting their hands up. So maybe our locking stocks are
starting to look a bit healthier. Babe in Holland leading
the way seventeen to one back in a moment on
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
Hebb fourteen to one back to the lines in just
a moment Billy Proctor last night Phil mentioned him before.
I thought he had a good game last night. I
thought he was a big night for Billy Proctor on
his home patch, with an opportunity to play back to
back test matches in the thirteen Jumper and stake a claim.
So how did he feel afterwards?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah? I loved it.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
You know, it's last to put a performance out there
that you know, it's probably a little bit red of
it last week. And I love being home beckoned and
respect well as I can called respect sky Stadium now
you know it's familiar to me. And you know if
they started playing.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
And was there anything in particular that you were focusing
on this week, the city you were entirely happy with
last week, anything in particularly you worked on this week?

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Well, I guess there's a group we we focused on,
you know, defensively putting the pressure on them, you know,
getting off the line and probably applying pressure to them
instead of the other way around where they're running at us,
which you know, I think benefit of us today. And
you know that's what I'm what I have been used
to do on the Hurricanes, so you know it's you know,

(34:43):
it's a natural feel for me to do that, and yeah,
we've felt there doing that.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
You had to be you had to be a bit patient,
you know, to get this stooding jersey on your back.
You've had a couple of weeks in succession now I
have been does this feel like for you or did
it feel like before this game? In terms have an
opportunity to really start your praying for us.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Yeah, I think every every time in this environment, if
you get a start, it's a opportunity. And you know,
with the competition in the midfield, you know, it's one
that they have to take. And you know, you know,
you have a responsibility for yourself in for the rest
of the team, and especially the midfielder is that they
don't get to play. You're never responsibility there, you.

Speaker 10 (35:24):
Know, put out a performance.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
So yeah, I just try and do my best, you know,
try try find the balance between putting pressure and you know,
not too much pressure that you know that the moment
fields are too big, but yeah, find finding the balance
between a little bit of pressure in edge, you know,
and belief in yourself. So yeah, try and find the
happy median and just try and put out the best

(35:47):
performance I can.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
That's the voice of Bully Propped after the game last night,
I thought he had a good game. Interesting to see
him and to Mathy Taa tabanaway in midfield at the end.
Wasn't it interesting combination that could be? Hello, Jeff Well
got an afternoon.

Speaker 17 (36:00):
Yeah, I just watch the game. First thing, I'd like
to say congratulations to the all blacked certainly outsmart than
the French last night, which was great that when Baden
K got the yellow card, I was overly amazed. I
really couldn't not that on a I'm not a referee

(36:20):
and I don't know all the rules, but I was
actually a bit horrified when he got the yellow card
because I don't think he did anything deliver it. I
think it was just circumstances. And there are a lot
of circumstances in rugby, because I have played rugby for
quite a few years and we all know that they

(36:42):
you all blacked out, went down the blind side. I
thought it was unbelievable because all the French were out
the other side, and I don't think they were expecting that.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I loved it. I loved it. It's like the old
remember the old days when when they used to have
a set move and all the players used to pretend
they had the ball up there jumper and they took
off in different different directions. That's what it was like
last night. The French didn't know where it was. The
little slight of hands to Cameroy Garden just to clear
run down the down the tram tracks for the for
the triline. I thought it was brilliantly executed.

Speaker 17 (37:15):
Woh, absolutely fantastic. The all breaks just outsmarted the French
in many ways that the only dirty player I saw
was who was the old break that was on the
ground getting his face ground And one of the old
breaks were in a tackle and then the French guy

(37:35):
came in and his arm or whatever it was was
hitting him in the face and the referee awarded a penalty.
That's the guy who should have got the yellow card
because it was deliver.

Speaker 12 (37:50):
I believe it was deliver.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, thanks for your court if I don't recall that
one unless you're talking about the Jordy barret On. But
that wasn't so much a rubbing of the face into
the turf as a as a follow through after the
tip tackle. But yeah, I think a bit of stuff
goes on on the ground, doesn't it that, You know,
you try and get a bit of advantage, you put
your hand in someone's face and sort of push it
towards the ground. I'm not sure there's anything too serious
in that. I think I'd rather see the yellow cards

(38:14):
given out for things like Bowden Barretts last night not
given out anyway, We digress nine and a half away
from one. Still time to talk from Rugby. Thomas Waldrom
going to join us after one o'clock, the former England
international with his thoughts yours are welcome to on oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Right, breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic failed
weekend sport with Jason Pine News Talk z Envy.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Six minutes away from one, Good Jim, what's on your mind?

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Ah?

Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (38:42):
Watching the game last night, I've been honest, I felt
like I was about to do a Jared Haynes where
he said it's been a long time and growing up
watching the Orbacks, we kind of fitted away from the
dumpers that they had at one point, But last night
it took me back to it like I was eighteenth again,
seeing them the way that they were performing last night,
the way that they were just dominating the pitch from

(39:04):
before eighty minutes, even that ridiculous execution of that play
that they did with the mall and the little slider
hand going on that that really that really got me
off the seat, Sir. I didn't have any negatives on that.
I just thought it was really good to see the
All Blacks really come back to the Fimbat were used.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
To might if anything can make us feel eighteen again,
Jim's a good thing, surely. I love the fact that
that it peeled it back the years for you, mate.

Speaker 18 (39:34):
Oh yeah, of course I was like, Man, I feel
I feel tall younger. Oh my goodness, just to teach
what's going on, because yeah, I kind of stopped watching
the All Black stuff they started them not really being
at that standard. Of course, the world is catching up,
but you know, just to see them come back and
reclaim that dominance of even though yes, people can argue

(39:57):
South Africa whatever it is another of money, but in
my heart it's the All Blacks. I mean, we wouldn't
have been up at the standard that the world is
if it wasn't for the work and the creativity of
news and a rugby. So I'm a huge patriot for
that in the terms of the sport. So I really
just did take me back.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Good man, Jim. I'm pleased, mate, I'm pleased. May there
be many more of it, mate, many more occasions where
you feel younger again. Look, if a rugby team can
make you reel younger, that's outstanding. Thanks for calling mate,
South Africa so interesting. I don't know if you've watched this.
Andy sent me a couple of clips from their game
last night against Italy. The first one I explained before
when I was chatting to Mark. I think it was
the first play of the game. They deliberately didn't kick

(40:39):
the ball ten meters so Italy would get a scrum
and South Africa woul be able to pack down in
a scrum with inside the first ten seconds. So they
basically said, as a show of force, no doubt, we're
happy enough for there to be a scrum with the
opposition feed as the first play of the game. The
other one was they were in midfield. It was a

(40:59):
ruck was forming and they went to pass it out
to the first man, but instead of passing it out
to the regular first man out first receiver run, they
set up like a lineouse and they lifted one of
their players in the middle of the field and then
wrapped around them as if it was a lineout and
sort of went a few meters ford. They are so innovative,
South Africa, so innovative. These games in September are going

(41:23):
to be epic, absolutely epic. Eden Park September sixth, Sky
Stadium September thirteen, can't wait News at one, then more
on the rugbyat more of your calls after.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
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Speaker 3 (41:49):
News Talks ABEN Weekend Sport. I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald
is running the cutter. It's one oh seven. Thomas Waldrom shortly.
Former Hurricanes Crusaders, Maordy All Blacks and England loose Ford.
Pretty astute rugby analyst as well, particularly when it comes
to loose Ford positions. Thomas Waldrum, He's along shortly in
an hour or so. We want to get inside the

(42:10):
Black Sox camp. The Black Sox, our men's softball team
are at their World Cup. They played Japan this afternoon.
They're still in with a chance of winning the whole thing.
It's a top four situation. Japan, New Zealand, Venezuela and
the United States are the top four. They play a
game each today and then the top two after the
round robin of four, if you like, play off for

(42:32):
the gold medal, and then the next two player for
the bronze medal. Now even if the Black Socks were
to beat Japan today, that would not necessarily assure them
of a place in the gold medal match. It will
depend on the margin of victory should they achieve it,
and also the result in the other game between Venezuela
and the USA. It's quite possible that we can end
up with a situation where three teams are all equal

(42:54):
on points and it comes down to points to four
runs differential or whatever it's called in softball. Anyway, regardless
of all of that, it was an absolutely unreal moment
yesterday when New Zealand were playing the United States and
they're in the bottom of the seventh so the final lining,
they're down four to two, they're one out and Jerome A.

(43:18):
Mucky steps up to the plate and with two men
on base, smacks a walk off home run to win
five to four. Incredible. He's going to join us after
two to relive that and look head to the Japan
game anyway, that's an hour away. This hour, we'll get
inside the Black Ferns camp and also James mcconey in
his regular slot. Our lines of communication remain open though

(43:39):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two one.

Speaker 9 (43:41):
Text by God, I've got right.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
They have nothing at a try?

Speaker 19 (43:47):
Well got it number forty one he Jess Lever.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
That's forty one tries now for Will Jordan in forty
three tests, it's madness. The strike rate with which he
scores tries. The All Black record is forty nine by
Doug Hallett. He's got forty one.

Speaker 20 (44:08):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
It's a pretty tough year for the All Blacks, but
depending on how many of the Test matches Will Jordan plays,
he could get there. He could bring up fifty by
the end of the year. Astonishing. Let's bring in for
my Maori All Blacks, Hurricanes and Crusaders, Lucy and England
International now expert analyst on our news talks, there'd be
Wellington Commentary's Thomas Waldrom Thomas, thanks for your time man.
How much improvement did you see last night from the

(44:31):
All Blacks compared to last weekends in Dunedin?

Speaker 7 (44:35):
Yeah, messively.

Speaker 21 (44:36):
I think that's the thing. They're sort of second week
to give her now like issue, playing a probably game
instead of training and stuff like that, so you can
tell that everything was sort of clicking more and I
think they probably had a bit more look at the
friends and he saw a couple of players that they
through the line out there there. So they've definitely done
their homer during the week and you can tell that
they'll definitely go bed a lot better this week.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah, I want to come to the line outs at
the moment, but you know, I think do we have
to sort of limit our expectations of the All Blacks
in Week one of any year. I think we can
expect them. They came out and put fifty on everybody.
But do we to have to do we need to
be a little bit less expectant in the first Test
match of a calendar year.

Speaker 21 (45:12):
I think so. And I think we sort of just
sometimes we just worry about opposition a bit too much
in New Gen and and they are they haven't bore
their best team or a little bit negative.

Speaker 12 (45:20):
I think.

Speaker 7 (45:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (45:21):
I think it's always the tough it's all Sooth Africa
battle as well against Italy, so everyone sort of all
the sort of southern hemansphere, guys. Let's sort of starting
this season where all the northern guys are finishing. And
you probably can tell that even last night the lines
where the Australia in z team probably just didn't gail
quick enough. And these boys events together, they've had their

(45:42):
what four or fifth game, So yeah, this probably is
a tough one first up, but that's the thing that
you can always get better from that one anyway.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah, that's a great point. So let's look at the lineouse.
The first three All Blacks tries came from lineouts, So
how much work goes into striking like that from set peace?

Speaker 10 (46:02):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (46:02):
Messively.

Speaker 12 (46:02):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 21 (46:03):
It's just the guys that are probably the lineup leaders
are looking opportuny these and because yes, thing, you just
want to win. You want to win your ball most
of the time. But then if you see opportunities that
they must have picked out there. The nine in the
twenty two probably defense at the back of the lineout
and the two might cover a bit quickly for the drive.
So yeah, you see opportunities. And that's the thing when
you got well the whole squad, maybe what twenty forwards

(46:26):
or so looking at different parts of lineout, someone always
picks up something that you can exploit. And I think
all backs definitely saw there yesterday.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, Bryan Evans must be pretty stoke day he's coming
as lineout coach. And you know the scoring tries for
fun from lineout, Oh.

Speaker 21 (46:39):
Definitely, And that's the thing, is stamping his mark on it.
And I think that's the same as the driving nine
outs as well, probably have the last couple of years.
You Zone's probably been the best at it because of
Jason Ryan of what he's brought to the Crusaders, like
the stop it in the mall as massive, and I
know New Genre has done a lot of work on that.
So yes, big credits of both coaches sort of getting

(47:00):
these forwards in the right space nine times out of ten.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Do you like to poor vity at six?

Speaker 21 (47:08):
I had a question mark about it, but to be
to be, Fear's probably been the best for them on
the last two weeks, So yeah, that's the thing. Has
When I was sort of resourcing for the under twenties,
must have been for about four or five years ago.
When I came back, we didn't have any locks and
I was sorry. We had a buntance of locks, but
no six. And we were tended to take him as

(47:29):
a sex as well before COVID hit, So yeah, there
was potential we were going to look at him at
six anyway, but no, he's definitely stepped up their void
and sort of smash with both ends.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Really he had look he has is it? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I don't feel like every lock can play six, you know,
So what is it about to Borvai in particular, you know,
that would allow him perhaps to take ownership of this
six jersey moving forward?

Speaker 21 (47:55):
Yeah, And I think you sort of look at all
the sexes we've had in the past, like Jerome Klino,
like the ones that have stayed there, like Jerry, what's
you know, what's the difference with them? I think it's
the X factor. They've got something by Jerry on defense.
You you want to go anywhere near him if your
if you've got the ball in hand, and Sam as Jerome,
and I think Toby has actually got a presence in

(48:16):
their space. So I think it's yeah, some of them
just thinking about him the last couple of weeks. I
think all the well, yeah, he's he's got in the
open as well, so he's got some pace behind him
unless sort of yeah, what you need?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
It helps in the lineout? Two are going back to that,
doesn't it When you've effectively got three locks in the lineout?
And Christian Leo Williardi Savia plenty of options at lineout time.
So when Wallace Satiti comes back, can you see against
South Africa via at six, save at seven, SA Titi
at eight.

Speaker 21 (48:46):
Yeah, I think you've got to give him a crack there.
So I know the Frenches and the as they say,
didn't bring their best team, but you've still got to
play what's in front of you. Where Africa will be
a big, big test watching them, watching the highlights before though,
they're so physical, they're just in your face, so it's
going to be some different people they are going to
come against. And just even this school like you know Whide,

(49:08):
but they had a couple tries where three or four
passes on the outside all ball in front of them,
so it's gonna it was definitely a bigger challenge. But
I still think he deserves a shot there.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
You were renowned for your physicality and you weren't the
biggest guy. How much of it is mental?

Speaker 7 (49:24):
I think quite a lot.

Speaker 21 (49:24):
But yeah, so that's because as I tell you, I
like you just yeah, I think if you overthink it,
and I was pretty lucky, I didn't have many injuries
in my career and stuff, so I didn't really have
any doubts of well, well, my body couldn't handle this
or couldn't do this, and I was just probably just
head down and just going as hard as you can
for as long as you can.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
And I mean it sounds I don't know physicality. It's
such an interesting concept to meet Thomas, you know, having
never been in the situation. You know, I just feel
like you know, I have do You just have to
accept that you're going to actually put your body through
a bit across the eighty minutes.

Speaker 21 (50:01):
Oh, you definitely, yeah, And that's that's the good thing
about being like being professional, you because you've got weeks
and months and stuff like that as at a stop
start when you get injured. But I was lucky enough
I could always if you string, like I always say
to people, you can string five or six games eighty
minute performances you set up for a long while if
you if you don't get injured, and you can just

(50:22):
keep going and you just have to, yeah, deal with
the aftermath on a Saturday's about how you recover and
stuff like that as well. So talk me a while
to understand recovery. But once you understand it and know
why why it's so important. It's it's a it's a
great tool to have as well.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
The yellow catter boat and bear it last night for
that knockdown. As a player, what are you supposed to
do in that situation.

Speaker 21 (50:47):
Yeah, that's a that's a tough one as well. Yeah,
there's instincts and there's opportunities that you see that you
sort of go, oh, I'm a little bit out of position,
but if I can grab the.

Speaker 18 (50:59):
Ball, I go for it.

Speaker 21 (51:01):
And it's it's been a hard one for a few
years where any put your if you put your hand,
you're going to be in trouble for go straight to ground.
H Well, probably I'd look at it more as if
you're part spacing up, because then you're you're trying to
catch it on you you're trying to beat it up
so you've got more time to get it. But then
if your hands down, it's sort of a different way
that you you have got no attempt to get it whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Really, Yeah, I understand the I think we all understand
the intent of the law, don't. Well, you don't want
a guy, you know, batting a ball down when there's
an overlap on the outside. But I like I said,
I think in your position of the hands a great,
great way of looking at it. I'm not sure what
else Bowden Barrick can do it. I just think he's
He's just in an actual position the ball set his hand,
isn't it.

Speaker 21 (51:41):
Yeah, And because I thought it was a bit weird
as well, because I see it wrong where the team
I said it was a forward pass anyway.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, and I actually thought the French blake knocked it
on too, So yeah, what's going on there?

Speaker 9 (51:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (51:55):
So when he said as a forward passed, so the
trial was never going to stand. So did that count
they're out from body? Yeah, I would have thought they
would have counted everything out of it was a normal
pass and it happened then, but then sleep. But yeah,
forward pass and the knockdown in ten minutes, it's pretty tough,
I think absolutely.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
I totally agree. Are you played a bit of rugby
at that ground? It actually wasn't too bad last night
weather wise, but you know, it does blow, it does
swirl around. How tricky is that venue to play in?

Speaker 21 (52:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (52:23):
It is.

Speaker 21 (52:24):
But that's the thing that's when you understand it and
you know where the wind's coming from and best taking
advantage of it. That's the thing. Having a few one
into players like Jordie would have directed a lot of
players and he would have known that, and that's the thing.
But the grounds amazing because the mount of rain we've
had one into and I've sort of watched a couple
of club rugby games yesterday and college rugby. The grounds

(52:46):
were just soaking. There was just mud everywhere and there
was no running rugby. It was just tucking up to
the forward. So to see the crowd and how pristine
it is, it was awesome, all right.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
And just to finish the All Black snow they've won
the series. Now France know they've lost the series, and
I'm sure they're probably just wanting to get home. What
do you expect to happen in Taste three in Hamilton
next weekend?

Speaker 10 (53:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (53:09):
I think because it's the last game of the season
as well. I think after this they go back and
they sort of they have five six weeks off to
go back to the clubs and stuff, so I think
they I'm hoping that they throw everything at it because
nothing to lose, they sort of enjoy the week. I
don't from what I learned.

Speaker 12 (53:24):
Then they're going to Hamilton know that they're going straight
to Auckland.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
That's the French. Yeah, no, that yeah, I think I'm
not sure. I think the All Blacks might be going
to Hamilton. I think France and said and I will
come down the day before or something.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (53:34):
Yeah, so that's that much show that they potentially will
go to Auckland and enjoy themselves up there and experience
I will Orckland has an officer and stuff. So yeah,
so I think they want to probably experience a bit
of New Zealand. So yes, the last game, I know
this thing. I'm hoping they'd just sort of come out
I have no fear and maybe stick to the A

(53:56):
team that he thinks he's just going to go on
one sort of instead of dropping and changing thirteen guys.
I think it's pretty tough as well, so hopefully you
can stick with a solid fifteen and then go after it.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
That for the French anyway, but tough on the tourism
industry of Hamilton, isn't it not going to Hamilton?

Speaker 21 (54:12):
No exactly, And yeah, I just yeah, I had an
when they were questioned that they were just like, oh no,
we're going to talk withand there was no Yeah, there
was no, how you're not. They just didn't have same thing.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
They realized we're just not going to We're just not
going until the game. Good stuff, Thomas. Hey, great to
get your analysis, mate. Thanks for taking the time this afternoon.

Speaker 9 (54:33):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
I'll talk you so yeah, look forward to mate. Thomas Waltram,
former Hurricanes crusaders, Maori, All Blacks England loose forward. It's
one on the dot. We got some time, some more
time to talk some rugby. I want to get inside
the Black Fern's camp at some stage in the next
fifteen minutes or so, just to check on where they
think they are ahead of the World Cup, which starts
next month. A good win yesterday in Wellington, Georgia Miller

(54:58):
absolute freak of a rugby player. Did you see that, Trish?
She scored incredible. I wonder how they'll go over at
that World Cup and they won't be fair of course,
not England the favorite to win it. But yeah, well
we'll get inside their camp surely. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on the All Blacks. Anything residual we
didn't cover off in the last hour. If you couldn't
get through, and now's your chance. There was a spare
line eight hundred eighty ten eighty couple on text. Aiden

(55:21):
says the scariest thing about South Africa is how on
top of all of their fundamentals they have to be
to be able to be so creative and so innovative.
Watch Russy and Tony Brown on the sideline, quite different
to other coach boxes, lower stress and higher happiness, having
fun playing great rugby. There's absolutely no doubt they're at

(55:41):
the top of their game. They are fully in control
of their of their game plan and are willing to innovate.
And Tony Brown's got to have his fingerprints on that
sort of thing. They just are going to provide a
couple of mouth watering test matches here in September Pinte.
How would you feel, asks John, in a World Cup

(56:04):
final if a spring Bok Orf French player did what
body did and got a yellow. What are you saying, Ah,
that's a bit tough. People will scream at a referee
if he's not enforcing the rule, and then scream at
the referee if he is enforcing the rule. Look what, John,
What I hope is that I would feel exactly the
same way that I would feel like a deliberate knockdown

(56:26):
or the ruling of a deliberate knockdown when it often
is anything but being given a yellow cart as a
harsh call. I thought it was last week when France
with a victim of it. I'd like to think that
in the World Cup final if it happened to the
other team, I'd feel exactly the same way. I don't know,
I think I would.

Speaker 13 (56:43):
Hello, Ralph, Oh, good morning afternoon.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Is it I think so?

Speaker 9 (56:48):
Well?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I mean, it's hard to tell on Sundays, isn't it, Ralph.

Speaker 13 (56:51):
Yeah, I'm running a bit late, but I don't think
i'd heard mentioned today that for the first time, and
I don't know how many years, the all black team
all had the same color boots on for a change.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah, they've got the yellow fluoro ones. Yeah, they've got
the yellow fluoroes. They wore them last week as well.
I think that must be some sort of new thing,
because I was talking a couple of other journeys about
it last week, Ralph. And you know, normally they have
a few blokes wearing black ones at least, but now
they're all in the fluorescent yellow.

Speaker 13 (57:21):
Well, I think it's about time because coming from a
men's weird business. I like people to dress dress well,
and I thought they looked like a bloody, scruffy team
always when they come out with their different colored boots on.
But that's only my own opinion, of course.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Well of God, and that's not what this is about.
It's about opinions. Look, it gives a uniformity to it, Ralph,
doesn't I wonder I know that there are there's a
section of that team, and of all teams I'm sure
who were quite traditional and would probably have preferred if
they were black.

Speaker 10 (57:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I remember Richie McCaul was always very keen on the
black boots for example.

Speaker 13 (57:56):
He's not there any miracles exactly exactly, but that was
I think probably the last time that they did, where
it might have even been prior to that that. I'm
when they all will black anyway, but I'm so pleased
about it, and I think you'll see there will be
a train set there and suddenly some other teams will
change as well.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Good on your elf, I appreciate it very much.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
The boots catching the eye last night. I saw they.
I went to the Captain's running d'need and last Friday
and they all had the yellow boots on there. I
thought that's a bit odd. It's sort of I mean,
it does catch your eye. They're florish and yellow after all,
and I wonder whether they were training boots. But then
they all had them on, and then the following night,

(58:40):
and then last night they all had them on as well. So,
because boots are a very personal thing, I get the
feeling you get a set of boots that you really
like and you want to wear them all the time.
It's probably a little bit like a cricket bat that
you've got your favorite one that's got you a few
runs and you want to keep on using it. I
guess they're probably now at the stage with the technology

(59:02):
they probably they probably just molded them all specifically for
each of the players. I know that, you know, the
boots worn by front rowers serve a very different purpose
than the boots worn by somebody playing in the back three.
But they're all the same color. They are all the
same color. Were they fluorescent yellow or canary yellow? Saysistic,

(59:23):
certainly not canary yellow? Gilet pinty. Congrats to the all blacks,
says Gunner. To me, that was a huge improvement. One
the game plan to pin the French in their corners
and deepen their twenty two, backing their defense and waiting
for the mistakes to come. Number two contesting almost every
French line out in the first half, which led to
bonus possession number three. All Blacks forward pack playing as

(59:45):
a unit. Well done, Jason Ryan. I thought the French
mister trek by not starting their giant reserve forwards at
the start of the game, just for their size and
physical power, it is a bit late to introduce them
when they're twenty six points down at halftime, by which
time I thought the game was well and truly over.
Thank you, Gunner, good thoughts from you as always. I

(01:00:06):
spoke briefly after the game with All Blacks half back
Cam Royguard as well.

Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I really proud.

Speaker 22 (01:00:12):
I guess you know, last week we missed a lot
of opportunities and gave the French a lot, and I
feel like this this weekend we improved a lot and
sort of fixed a lot of that. I was really
pleased with our I guess, our kicking game and the
balance that we showed. You know, I wasn't just me
kicking the whole time, you know, Be's got some great
kicks and behind and will as well, and we're able
to apply pressure through our kicking game, and ye're able
to strike as well when we got down too. You know,

(01:00:34):
they're twenty two, so yeah, really please.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Yeah, you spoke during the week to me actually about
the accur receive your kicking and how it does need
to be accurate here on Wellington Ground. You know, Well,
were you pleased with your kicking from base of the
ruck and that sort of thing kicks and play? Yeah,
I think so it was.

Speaker 22 (01:00:48):
It is a bit so early here, you know, and
I guess if you don't play here often it can sort.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Of mess with your head a little bit.

Speaker 22 (01:00:52):
So probably pretty pleased that I've played here a few
times now and I was able to sort of just
trust what I've you know, done, you know, many times
playing here before, so you know, when I was putting
them out, I was trying to get the most out
of it and I was able to Yeah, pretty happy
with how I was kicking.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
So yeah, pretty please in your first half try shit
move or did you just saw something or you got
a little little pass on the outside you run that
channel really nicely?

Speaker 22 (01:01:14):
Ment, Yeah, No, it was I guess I set piece
move and you know, credit to you know, coaches whoever
organized our mudavan Bren I'm sure, but yeah, pretty happy
to I guess that the homework that we do during
the week to give ourselves opportunities to score and for
it to you know, it was almost like a training tray.
I couldn't believe it when when I looked up and

(01:01:34):
there was none in front of me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
So yeah, pretty please.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
And first test on this piece of grass one, you know,
pretty well, another special moment for you, Iida Masaya. It's awesome.

Speaker 22 (01:01:43):
You know, it's great to have my family here, you know,
my partner here as well. To see not many yellow
seats because it was sold out. It was yeah, pretty
cool and saying that I remember for a long time
for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
So yeah, really stoked.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Great game, can Thanks for the chat. Yes, thanks one.
Beth cam Roy guard After the game, a text from Chris.
Great to see James O'Connor selected for the Wallabies. Yeah,
I saw that. Have you seen the latest photo of
James O'Connor. It's like he's been He's got stitches above
his eye, a big sort of rock mark down his cheek.

(01:02:17):
I don't know what's happened. I haven't done enough reading
on this to find out, but I saw a picture
of James O'Connor flash up on my social media feed
last night. He looked like he's had his half of
his face rucked off. I hope he's okay, but yeah,
I'm delighted to see him there. I know they absolutely
As I said to Adam Peacock yesterday, they love him
in Crusaders Country, or did when he was there. Now
I'm delighted to see him back in the Wallabies mix.

(01:02:41):
What are we one twenty eight? Let's get a breakaway
when we come back into the Black Fern's camp, we go.
They named their World Cup squad next Friday, not this
one coming, the one following, and then they'll be off
to the World Cup. So is it all locked in?
Have they got their players all sorted and how are
they feeling after they went over Australia at Sky Stadium yesterday.
They only led by ten to seven at half time
and actually trailed for a large part of the first half.

(01:03:01):
Got the job done though. Tony Christie is one of
their assistant coaches. He's going to join us on weekend
Sport when we come back one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
One thirty one into the Black Fern shortly Australia all
out in the Pink Ball Test in Kingston Sabina Park
and Kingston. This is the third Test between the Westerndies
in Australia. Australia won the toss, said well bat all
out two twenty five. Top scorer Steve Smith forty eight,
Cam Green got forty six. Not much else of substance
as far as the West Indies bowler is concerned. Shama

(01:03:38):
Joseph the best of them, four for thirty three, three
wickets for Jaden Seals and three for Justin Greeves. So
Australia all at two to two five. The Westerns have
gone in and negotiated the first couple of overs five
without loss. The Black Ferns will head to their Rugby
World Cup honor high after beating Australia thirty seven twelve
and Wellington yesterday.

Speaker 22 (01:03:57):
Tea Highs will put it into touch and they'll say
that'll do.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
The Black Ferns Dominance thirty seven twelve they beat for
Wollaroos in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Wellington, twenty ninth straight win over Australia for our New
Zealand women's rugby team. They trailed though for much of
the first half, led just ten to seven at halftime,
before running away with the game in the second half.
Birthday girl Porsche Woodman Wickliffe scored a hat trick of
tries r DeMont, Sylvia Brunt, Ruby Towey and Georgia Miller,

(01:04:26):
with an absolute stunner also dotting down in the second
half Black Fern's attack. Coach Tony Christie is with us, Tony,
thanks for your time. You'd be a fairly happy sort
of an attack coach today, wouldn't you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:04:38):
I think it was a bit of a game of
two hubs with our attack. We didn't quite get our
territory right in that first half and then also our breakdown.
But what I was really happy with was how the
girls responded at halftime to those two messages and once
we tied it that up then we could play out
our DNA.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
What was the substance of the halftime conversations with no
raised voices, just clear concise instructions.

Speaker 23 (01:05:04):
Yeah, yep, this week was just really those key points,
nice and calm. So I was really impressed with the
girls with that. There was no panic in the room.
They knew what they needed to be done, and then
they went out and executed it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
How do you assess then the second half performance? How
pleased are you with the way they responded and came
from as I say, just ten to seven ahead at
the break to really win in convincing fashion.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
Yeah, I'm really with that.

Speaker 23 (01:05:29):
I think it just reinforced the key aspects of our
game that we need to get right.

Speaker 7 (01:05:34):
Because we know we can attack.

Speaker 23 (01:05:36):
We've got in our DNA the ability to play from
side to side, our offload game. But if we don't
get that breakdown right and we're not playing the right
areas of the fields, then we put ourselves under pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
You mentioned DNA a couple of times there. What is
the Black Fern's DNA or the aspects of it.

Speaker 23 (01:05:52):
Yeah, we're a fat team. We like to play free
and also for the colored is a real point of
difference for us.

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
So yeah, those key things.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Hat trick for Porsche Woodman Wickcliffe on her birthday, how
and teg Lou she to your side Yeah, she.

Speaker 23 (01:06:08):
Can finish canace. Yeah, really important both on the field
and off the field. Obviously she's been there, done at all.
So the confidence she gives something that younger members and
her team's huge as well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
And seven star Georgia Miller doesn't seem to have had
too many issues transitioning into the fifteen A side game.
How impressed have you been with her?

Speaker 8 (01:06:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
Absolute freak.

Speaker 23 (01:06:33):
I'd love to say, as the attack coach, her try
was exactly character it up.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
But yeah, that's just all her.

Speaker 23 (01:06:41):
I'll tell her in person. I'll take the credit for it.
But she's magnificent. And yeah, I think she's only just
getting started, which is an exciting thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
That's exactly it. I was just going to say, she's
only really at the beginning. So how do you make
sure you harness her incredible ability in the most effective fashion?

Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
Yeah, well, I don't think it's about harnessing it.

Speaker 23 (01:07:02):
I think it's about providing her as many opportunities to
be in the game as possible. Yeah, that's something we'll
look into to the World Cup. But also balancing that
with not overcooking here and making sure she still performs
her core role as a seven How prepared.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Do you feel for the World Cup?

Speaker 23 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I believe we've got everything in our squad. Our
games really growing, particularly our territory game, so yeah. And
our defense yesterday I thought was outstanding. Our ability to
bring line speed and put the opposition under pressure. So yeah,
all the ingredients are there. We've just got to put
it together on the day.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Would you like to have had another couple of games
before the World Cup?

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:07:41):
I had an ideal world Yes, but we've also got
a huge internal competition in our group, so you're playing
against thirty two quality players each week and our internal stuff.
So we've got some simulations that will hopefully provide that
game like experience heading into World Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
You announce your World Cup squad on Friday week. Have
you settled on it yet?

Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
Very close?

Speaker 23 (01:08:07):
Holy, a tough one. You look at some of the
quality matchups in our group. We said right from the
start that will need forty plus to go and win
this World Cup, and you would have seen over the
last few weeks the small little injuries and niggles we've
had and the quality of players that have come in.
So yeah, it's going to be a tough one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
When it comes down to a tough choice, and I'm
sure there'll be three or four tough choices to be made,
or maybe even more. But when it comes down to
what does swing it in one player's favor over another.

Speaker 23 (01:08:37):
Oh, there's certainly ranger things so dependent on that position
and also what's around them. So some position that might
come down to experience, some positions that might come down
to work great, we're looking for that, so some of
our key factors in those positions. But yeah, it's a
great debate around the table.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
I bet, I bet it is in some challenging conversations,
no doubt as well. And just to finish Tony, the
World Cup obviously World Cup holders and we remember the
means of twenty twenty two. How confident do you feel
that you can defend up in the Northern Hemisphere.

Speaker 23 (01:09:13):
Yeah, we've got a really nice internal confidence in our group.
We're really clear on our game and we know the
key factors to ensure we can go out and put
a performance.

Speaker 12 (01:09:22):
So yeah, no excuses, We've got the players.

Speaker 8 (01:09:26):
Now we just go and do it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Well done yesterday mate, all the best for the next
few weeks and on towards the World Cup. Thanks Thanks Tony,
Tony Christy Black Ferns attack coach. Yeah, so the team
is named or the squad for the World Cup is named,
on Friday week and then off they'll go, the Black
Ferns to the World Cup. Their pool games are against Spain,
Japan and Ireland, and then presuming they negotiate those okay,

(01:09:51):
which you'd have to assume that they would into the
knockout rounds, they'll go. Latest odds. Incidentally, for the Women's
Rugby World Cup, England are clear favorites and that's absolutely
no surprise. They're a dollar fifty at our tab. New
Zealand second three dollars fifty, then Canada, France, Ireland, Australia,
Scotland and Italy. So look, we may well be on

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course for a repeat of the last Women's Rugby World
Cup final with England up against New Zealand. It is
going to take a mighty effort to beat England, who
have been I don't know that they've been beaten since
that World Cup. If they have, it hasn't been very
often on home soil. Going to be a heck of
a task for our women, but well, they go in
with a bit of confidence. Georgia Miller. I I've seen

(01:10:37):
a lot of social media around her as well, coming
across from sevens. We know how effective she was as
a sevens player. This trice she scored yesterday, it just,
you know, I can't really describe it. Just have a
look at it, Georgia Miller, just google it. Her name's
spelt j O r JA. By the way, if you
want to check out this try by one of the

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rising stars of New Zealand rugby. Twenty one away from
to the Warriors women incidentally are underway against the Paramatta Eels,
their first home game since twenty nineteen ten to two
rather so about eleven months away from Get Underweight. We'll
keep eyes on that one at Go Media Stadium for
you two. We'll take a break and come back and
check in with James mcconey as usual on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
They'd be seventeen away from two Sunday afternoons we chat
with James mcconey. Hello mate, get a piney.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
How's it going very good?

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Did you enjoy watching two port Vie in the last
two Test matches playing the sixth jersey score tries in
both give it the pookana? Is he the answer moving
forward in that jersey?

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
Well, he feels like the answer, but it also means
it's a big shift, isn't it from where the all
Blacks were heading with their loose forwards? Because you know,
like I said last week, he's not a power number
six like a Jerome Kno or even Aliam's. But the
thing is he gives you that extra bit of work.
Create he gives you, you know, elite mobility, and he's

(01:12:14):
just got an engine that won't quit. So you notice
his support game now that he's been freed up from Locke,
is just looking absolutely elite. So yes, two bo Bio
at six I think is a really successful experiment, and
you know it's it's test Rugby agrees with him.

Speaker 7 (01:12:31):
It's just one of those guys. You know.

Speaker 8 (01:12:32):
It's a bit like when Liam Squire made the step up.
He looked at home straight away, didn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Yep, he did. Neither are some players who just are ready,
aren't they? They're just ready Wallace to tt another one
last year. What else caught your eye last night?

Speaker 8 (01:12:48):
Well, to start with, I couldn't actually take this test
that seriously piney because France fois by four points last weekend.
But Gualtier made so many changes even David Bowie would
struggle to keep up.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
I mean he.

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
Made he made ten to Jane Jazz, but it was
really actually twelve because after Sogby, who was at fullback
in the first test, and Gayeton, who was at center,
moved to the wings. So yeah, it's a great win
by the All Blacks. I thought they were clinical, but
clearly Gualtier doesn't care about winning the series, because you
would not do that after such a great showing from

(01:13:24):
the team in the first test. I don't know, it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Didn't it didn't reward it, did it. It didn't reward
performance at all.

Speaker 8 (01:13:31):
Yeah, they were so good in that first test. I
just went, this is actually really cool for Gualtier. He's
uncovered some gems after Sogby looks world class at fallback
and I mean you saw he had a couple of
flashes on the wing, but nothing great last night, So
I just thought he's clearly just doing his own thing.
Mixing and matching. There's not the same pressure on the

(01:13:53):
fred rugby coach as there is of the All Blacks
coach to win, so he can do whatever he wants
and I don't doubt there'll be a correction this weekend
in Hamilton, so I think coming away with a win
would still be a feather in his cap, but it's
not the same pressure and I didn't even feel that
last night because it was a bit disjointed. Although we

(01:14:13):
can say Babe in Holland, yes, massive asset and what
a great first two tests. You probably won't you go
a long way to find a better start to All
Black's career. And then Camroygarde just owning things at half back.
He looks so elite now that you know, there's no
doubt he is the starting nine. Moving moving forward.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
For a while indeed, or let's move to other matters.
The Carlos Alcarez Jannick Sinner rivalry has its latest chapter
tonight at Wimbledon. Remember these guys had a five and
a half hour final at Roland Garrol's not that long ago.
I don't think Sinner's ever won Wimbledon. I don't think
he's ever made the final. Alcarez has won the last
two A big good game though, shouldn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
Yeah, I'm sort of picking Sinner to win this. I
just feel like he's you know, they're both heading towards
the peak of their powers. But the way that he
got rid of Djokovic in the semi finals, this is Sinner.
He's sort of built really like a grass court player
more than ol Koraz, just a bit longer and you know,

(01:15:21):
covers the court that way. He I mean, I haven't
seen enough of his volley game to say, Okay, he's
definitely got what it takes to put away those easy points.
But Sinner is, you know, he's on the rise. I
can see why the tennis bosses didn't give him a
tough drugs band because tennis needs him. You know, Tennis

(01:15:43):
needs Sinners more than they need Saints, and so that's
why he's there. But al Karez, that's that's a great
rivalry already. It just needs probably one or two more.
You know's area is okay, but you know, maybe a
couple more so they can get another big four going.
But did you see the women's final pinting?

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Yeah, double bagel? How would you go.

Speaker 8 (01:16:04):
Honestly, fifty seven minutes, you pay your tickets, you have
your strawberries and cream, they're barely finished their pins and
you're out the door. That is brutal. Look, I just think,
I mean, Suberlenka will be kicking yourself for losing the
semi final. But I think that her temperament is costing
her what should be dominance right now. But Donald's Spheertek,

(01:16:28):
who's just a champion player, improves it again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Yeah, Amanda Anna Samova the unfortunate recipient of the six love,
six love and the in the women's final. We'll look
forward to the men's tonight. Hey, the Warriors play West
Tigers this afternoon. This feels like quite an important match
to me off the back of well the buye, but
then two defeats before that.

Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
Yeah, and you know it's it's a banana skin game.
It's a real kind of like because the Tigers are
a batletting team and not on the table, you'd say
we should beat them all all day, every single week.
But the really reality is is that you know, Benji
will have them motivated. They've got you know, I think
Corrousale's bad today. Have you seen the team Piney. I

(01:17:08):
don't know, but that makes that makes a big difference
to them, and so I just think we need to
be quite patient with what with having a new half
back there with Tanner Boyd and and just you know,
give him a chance. But look, it's it's not too
bad conditions here. So look, I think there's there's every
chance the Warriors can get back on track. It's been

(01:17:29):
an awkward a few by weeks with two lasses and
two buyers. It's just Origin just gets in the way.
He doesn't it. But it's just the way the league
is structured. And so now hopefully we can get some
some confidence back in the team.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Upper side. Corus is back for the West Tigers, so
you'll see him out on go Meetia this evening or
this afternoon when it comes to the evening. I'm looking
forward to seeing how Tanner boy goes. I haven't ever
seen him play, but I want to see him play today.

Speaker 7 (01:17:57):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:17:58):
I mean, Tanner Boyd is the one who really pushes
them so hard that I think even if you ask
where he he'd say that the head up to pick
the me just just sent them in a space. With
Luke Metcalf playing that well, so the reason why they
signed them is they wanted him to be their number seven,
but I think it's Chanelle Harris Devita. His emergence as
a as a force again has pretty much changed all

(01:18:21):
their plans because Tanner Boyd when they signed him from
Gold Coast last year, was going to be the number seven.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Hey, the black Caps are going to be playing shortly
as well. They're over in Zimbabwe, aren't there. No, Yeah, Zimbabwe.
They are for this TRIST series again Zimbabwe and South Africa.
These games are eleven o'clock at night, which is a
little bit unfriendly in terms of viewing them, but there's
a couple of new faces to look out for.

Speaker 12 (01:18:45):
Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 8 (01:18:45):
Thing that's kind of interesting, that Zimbabwe series. And who
sang the song Zimbabwe? Was it Tony Child's I think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
I don't know that song. That's about the first Niche reference,
the first Niche reference you've given me that I haven't
picked up on. I'll check, yeah, but keep talking.

Speaker 8 (01:19:00):
And it's Tony Child to think, you know, stop your
fussing was another big song as well. But yes, she
definitely had a goods and bubble if you can find it,
and you'll be a legend if you can. But look, yeah,
the interesting thing is Michael Bracewell and Kin Williams are
not playing in the Tests. That's just I think they've
got Well Cane's on a special deal where he can

(01:19:21):
just pick and choose, and fair enough, he's got to
that point. And Michael Bracewell's been allowed to go and
play in the hundred over in England. But it does
say to me that we are devaluing Test matches quite
a lot. And okay, it's only Zimbabwe, but if you
think that it is the parnacle of the sport, we
should be somehow prioritizing it or pushing for a better schedule.

(01:19:44):
So it's a terrible drawer. If you're a Test match
cricketer this year, you're just pretty much twiddling your thumbs.
But there is because Kyle Jamieson is his partner's expecting
their first baby.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
He's out.

Speaker 8 (01:19:55):
And there's a young guy called Matt Fisher, a young
fast bowler from the Northern from Northern districts has come
in Whitkato boy. I think his dad's a lawyer in
talkot or so just yeah, he's he's come through from
the grass roots I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
I think he's quite quick. I think they like how
you know, you know you guys come in there. So
this this bloke quite quick. I think he's one of
the quicker ones going around domestic cricket. Matt Fisher looking
forward to seeing how quick he actually is exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
Talkador is one of the greatest sporting cowns in history.
I think you can trace a lot of like legends
here who you don't even realize it from Talkador, like
Bernie Fraser, Marie tu Tier, Kevin Berlamu Walton Little. You know.
The list goes on, obviously, the ones like Kwake Cooper,
Richard Carhowey and Joey Marnho. But is there been a cricketer.
Is Matt Fisher going to be Talko or his first

(01:20:46):
black Cat? We'll wait and see. I mean, I haven't
done the research for you just today, but I'm just
sort of riffing here, Piney good on Toko.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Or good on talk I found Zimbabwe. I'll play a
couple of a couple of bars to take this out
with yellow.

Speaker 10 (01:20:57):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Here it is from Tony Chiles. Hey, we'll see, We'll
see you next Sunday.

Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
Yes, sounds good. Poney, look forward.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
To it, mate, James mcconey, Tony childs en Zimbabwe. Although
this feels like it's got a very long intro. Yeah,
on board with that already, board with that song already
it's certainly not stop your fussing by Tony Charles. Is
it seven and a half to two news Talkship.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
weekends for it with Jason Pine they call undred and
eighty and eighty news talksbe.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Four to two, METHUSI is Ponty sad you only played
two seconds of Zimbabwe. It's a banging tune, all right, Matthew,
I'll lift it going, so maybe let them prove.

Speaker 9 (01:21:42):
She all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
She has got a great voice, Tony Charles, I'll leave
it just playing underneath Shelle. As we head towards the
two o'clock news after two into the Black Sox camp,
we go they could extend their record as the team
that's won the most World Cups seven in their history.
But the last one was twenty seventeen. They haven't meddled

(01:22:06):
it of the last two. Might that change Over the
next couple of days. We'll go inside the Black Sox
camp ahead of a big game against Japan this afternoon.
Jerome and Imaki is with us Craig Gabriel from Wimbledon,
wrapping up that very one sided women's final and looking
ahead to the men's Sinner of the Alcoraz and our

(01:22:26):
coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith on what he calls the biggest
myth in children's sport, and that is that parents are enemies.
He doesn't believe a word of it and he will
tell you why. News next to two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues
on and after fields. It's all on weekends Forward with
Jason Vaine on your home of Sport.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
In New York.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Hello there, and welcome in or welcome back, as the
case may be. This is Weekend Sport on News Talk
to Beat seven past two. I'm Jason Pine with Andy
McDonnell alongside. We're here till three. Then Tim beverages in
the chair for the Weekend Collective, so we can put
a bit of a cap on the weekend. Over the
next hour or so, we've got some softball for you. Shortly.

(01:23:22):
The World Cups on in Canada. This is the Men's
World Cup. Our black socks are there trying to win
their first World Cup since twenty seventeen. They went a
long way towards doing that yesterday with victory over the
US from four to two down and the final inning
to a five to four win thanks to a mighty
piece of softball from Jerome on Aimaki. He's standing by

(01:23:43):
a chat to us shortly. Craig Gabriel is at Wimbledon
reviewing a very one sided women's final, previewing what will
hopefully be another epic men's final tonight. Ciner the Alcaaz
and Wayne Gold's with our coaching Guru in this regular slot,
talking today about why parents are not the enemy when
it comes to kids' sport. OH one hundred and eighty

(01:24:05):
ten eighties and number is always ninet two nine to
two one text. We'll keep eyes on live sport too,
as you heard Adam say in the Sports News. The
Warriors women out to an early lead against the Paramatta
Eels at go Media eight to mizil day lead after
sixteen minutes. We'll keep eyes on that, as we will
on the Test cricket from Kingston, where Australia have been

(01:24:28):
bowled out for two hundred and twenty five after winning
the toss and electing to bat first stumps. Now actually
on day one this is a pink ball Test. The
West Indies have lost a wicket in the nine overs
available to them. At the end of the day there's
sixteen for one in reply to Australia's two hundred and
twenty five all out coming up nine past two. So,

(01:24:49):
as we always do at around about this time on
weekend sport, we like to get you up to date,
a fresh look at the latest sporting action over the
last twenty four hours or so. Starting with motorsport and
another podium for Shane van Gisbergen Ka's Exfinity Series and
a ruling finish. Zilich leading Van Guesbergen.

Speaker 24 (01:25:12):
Nine eighty eight, drives away.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
He is a root star on the road. Connor Zilitch
gonna take it.

Speaker 24 (01:25:20):
At Sonoma they finished one two again, but this week
Connor Zilich has the upper hand over Shane van Guezbergen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
They had the gis second at Sonoma after picking up
pol for the Cup Series race under way tomorrow to
a busy night in the NRL. The Melbourne storm up
to second a big one over the night who lifted jers.

Speaker 25 (01:25:46):
So gets away pursy down four det series.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
It just too strong from Thurston right thirty two fourteen
the final score the Roosters meantime fort Hines to beat
the Dragons to Disco runs it gets it on his place,
came over victory way. Look the camera celebrates its time
our thirty one twenty four wedd and seeing the Roosters

(01:26:12):
stay well and truly in the hunt for the top
eight and the Bulldogs arresting their recent slide with her
and over the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Up to Chuana.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
He's got rid ofica. You don't give it a little
hand start for Dacam s.

Speaker 19 (01:26:28):
Scheffra Ridicama become to triscorer in the NRL.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
That try was right at the end of the first
half to make it twelve eight. It also happened to
be the last scoring action of the entire match. Twelve
eight the final scoad to rugby Union, the British and
Irish Lions romping home over the combined Australia New Zealand.
Fifteen for the Lions. Farrell hands it on the angle.
He comes Keenan Howry that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
At a looking for He's thirty's got it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
There's the hard track so the shine Winger. Forty eight
nil was the final score there and a couple of
famous wins, first for the Fiji and rugby team.

Speaker 8 (01:27:13):
Months inside bowl breaking so.

Speaker 9 (01:27:16):
Rady, brilliant.

Speaker 26 (01:27:21):
This is a famous one for Fiji. They have beaten
Scotland in Siver for the third time in front of
a trumpolent crowd.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Yeah, twenty nine to fourteen. Well done to Fiji, Betting Scotland.
And for the first time since the twenty twenty three
Rugby World Cup, Wales have won a game of rugby.

Speaker 19 (01:27:46):
There goes the hoot rivera Morgan Williams kicks it into
the stands. The weights is over for Wales fans, the
weight is lifted for the Welsh players. It's been six
hundred and forty four days since they've known this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Feeling freaking elm, the Hail Mary's and the epic fails.
Weekend Sport with Jason Lyme, New Stork.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Zenvy twelve minutes past two. The Black Sox our men's
softball side still in contention to add to their record
seven world titles at Softball's World Cut, the last of
those they won in twenty seventeen. New Zealand have a
one win one loss record in the top four Super
Round that after pipping the United States five to four

(01:28:34):
yesterday thanks to Jerome Iraimaky's walk off home run in
the very lastining works swung ond football.

Speaker 17 (01:28:45):
You should say goodbye.

Speaker 8 (01:28:49):
Horror.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
Jerome rebucky no one figure in the situation. He works
for New Zealand. I said, how crazy. I do not

(01:29:14):
believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Incredible stuff from Jerome on Imaki. It means that New
Zealand have to beat Japan this afternoon to stay in
contention for the gold medal match. It'll also rely on
the result in the other game this afternoon between Venezuela
and the United States of America. Jerome on a Mackey
is with us on weekends port. Jerome quite the finish

(01:29:36):
to the game yesterday, bottom of the seventh, one out
your four to two down runners on first and second.
It is a massive at bat for you. What's going
through your head as you step up to be fair?

Speaker 27 (01:29:49):
I was just looking to pass the better non to
the next person, to be fair. But yeah, it was
just yeah, really trying to get on base and just
apply a bit more pressure. But just managed to have
a spot where I was able to put a good
swing on a pitch and then the rest is history.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
How are the emotions as you see it sail over
the left field fence.

Speaker 27 (01:30:13):
To be fair, I didn't actually see it go to
the fence. I just kind of I kind of knew
there's a feeling, but I did have a little moment
between home plate and first base where I can't remember
too much. So it was just back to basics and
make sure I touch all the bases and do all
the little things right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
When you connect on a hit like that, you alluded
to it just now, do you know? Do you know
that that's gone?

Speaker 27 (01:30:40):
Yeah, there is a certain feeling, and majority of the
times you can't feel anything, which is always a good
sign because if you can feel it in your hands,
you're either too far up the bed or too far
down the bed. So yeah, that one felt pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
And you're a left handed better of course, so right
field feels more likely. Do you hit mainly to right
field or is left field somewhere you've had good success
as well.

Speaker 27 (01:31:05):
It's not well you try and hit the ball where
it's pitched, Yeah, try and reverse it. So that's sort
of that's the way we're taught from a young age.
Is to hit the ball where it's pitched and don't
try and do too much with it. When it's coming
out at any seven miles, you don't really have to
do too much.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
And you've been around the sport for a while, is
that among your best moments in the game.

Speaker 27 (01:31:29):
Yeah, there's definitely up there for sure, definitely the best
black Socks moment. But I think the best ones yet
to come.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
I agree with that because there is more to come.
So so far at the tournament, you've beaten Canada and Argentina,
lost of Venezuela, beat the US. As I say, how
do you evaluate the World Cup campaign and overall terms
up to this point.

Speaker 27 (01:31:51):
Yeah, it's hard to do it before it ends. But
the way that we've been tracking currently is we're on
track for those little goals that were put in place
throughout the well pretty much since we started in Toronto
till now. We've got a couple of hurdles to get over.
But yeah, it's pretty hard to put How did I

(01:32:13):
put it? Just to put a nail on how we're
cracking at the moment because it's the final result that
sort of be always right off that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
How did you feel coming in as a team, did
you feel well prepped and ready for the for the
World Cup coming in Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:32:30):
I think as a team it's always the hardest, especially
when a few of us were already over here in
the States and then a lot traveled from New Zealand.
So it's always sort of the first week and a
bit is just sort of gelling together. And I think
the first weekend we got together, we sort of hit
the ground running. So it's always the unknown, but the

(01:32:52):
preparation leaving from home there was a lot of hard
work put in and that's showing at this letterage later
stage of this tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
How formidable an opponent are Japan.

Speaker 27 (01:33:03):
Oh, they're ranked in in the top five in the world,
so they're always going to be difficult, very crafty, very fast. Yeah,
they've they've they've got all the tools there. But I
think the way that we're going that we're going to
be tough to stop as well.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Black Sox of course have seven world titles, haven't meddled
in the last two and you were at both of those.
How driven are you, not just personally but as a
team to have success here in Canada.

Speaker 27 (01:33:34):
Yeah, there's there's definitely a few from those last couple
of campaigns that have been sleeping with a rock under
the under the pillow farewell. So yeah, it's not just us,
the guys that maybe on their first one or also
pretty driven in that as well. So I then it
starts at the top through the coaching stuff and just
filters through to us as players.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
All right, well, look, we wish you all the best
against Japan. Can't wait to see how it plays that.
Just back to your head. I know you don't sound
too keen on talking about yourself, but did your phone
blow up afterwards? It's all over social over here.

Speaker 27 (01:34:06):
Yeah, it did a little bit. I've to put it
down for a little bit. Last night we went to dinner,
so that was quite.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
Nice, wonderful stuff. Made a great moment for you and
for the team. I hope it continues. Thanks for taking
the time for a chat this afternoon.

Speaker 27 (01:34:18):
Awesome, Thanks for having me, No.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Thanks for joining us, Jerome, Jerome i Amaki. There a
walk off home run over the left field fence to
give New Zealand victory over the United States. So they
played Japan. That game is underway very shortly actually, and
a winner is necessary for New Zealand to make it
to the gold medal match. It will also depend on
the other game, which is in the top of the

(01:34:41):
seventh at the moment, So getting towards the end, Venezuela
lead the United States six'. Four New zealand would be
favored by The United states winning that. Match they're gonna
have to get a move on, though because they're two
down in the top of the seventh and trailing six to.
Four so what that means effectively is if they can't
at least tie the game with the one remaining out

(01:35:02):
they have in that, inning that's over And venezuela will
win the. Game New zealand can't do much about. That
all they can do is Beat japan and then see
how the points differential shakes down to find out whether
they'll be playing four gold or contesting the third and
fourth place. Playoff still eight nil The warriors over The
Paramatta eels and The Women's. Nral twenty seven and a

(01:35:25):
half minute's gone at go Media, bunker just checking a
potential try by The, warriors which isn't going to be
given because the ball has dropped out of the potential triscorer's.
Hands it remains eight nil approaching the half hour mark
At Go. Media we'll take a break then get To.
Wimbledon a hugely one sided women's singles final overnight and

(01:35:46):
the prospect of another epic men's singles final tonight when
the top two players in the world go head to
head on the grass At. Wimbledon Craig gabriel going to
break it all down for us when we come.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Back it's more than just a.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Game Weekend sport With Jason vine AND Tj, Garnobs New
zealand's most trusted home builder News.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Talks the Be News talks have beat us two twenty
three and utterly dominant display in The Wimbledon women's tennis.
Final that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
A way to end, It.

Speaker 25 (01:36:21):
Ego Spiat, tech a dominant display is now A Grand
slam champion for all, Surfaces elation and Also constellation for
an opponent who led the datemare out, Here but this
is Spiatz tax's. Moment she may out of imagined, It,
christy but she looks like she expected it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Today eighth Seed egos Fion tech Blitzing amanda and A
samova six, love six love in less than an hour
to claim her first Ever wimbledon. Crown It's fiontek's Sixth
Grand slam. Title she is unbeaten in major. Finals only
once In wimbledon history has a women's final finished with
the double. Bagel that's what they call, it six, love six.

(01:37:04):
Love that was all the way back in nineteen, Eleven
Craig gabriel watched on At. Wimbledon, craig you've watched a
heck of a lot of. Tennis have you ever seen
a more one sided major tennis? FINAL i.

Speaker 10 (01:37:18):
Have, Actually i'll get onto that In i'll get onto
that in one.

Speaker 20 (01:37:22):
Second but you had to see the international media racing
for the record books and the compendium That wimbledon, produced
which is like a doorstop trying to find this sort
of information as to the last, time in the last,
time what it Was Dorothy Lambert chambers in nineteen eleven

(01:37:42):
Over Dora. BROOKSBY i can't say THAT i Know dora
that she must have been. Embarrassed and that match lasted
twenty five. Minutes it was a little longer today fifty.
Seven but it's the shortest or the quickest final that
has happened At wimbledon on the women's side SINCE i
think in twenty, nineteen When Simon halet Beats Serena.

Speaker 10 (01:38:03):
Williams but to your, question YES i.

Speaker 20 (01:38:07):
Have and it was the nineteen eighty Eight French final
With Stephanie graff Defeating Natasha zvereva six, love six love.

Speaker 10 (01:38:18):
In thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Minutes goodness may, so, yeah there you. Go why and,
where apart from, everywhere Was siontek particularly. Dominant she went out.

Speaker 20 (01:38:32):
There playing fast, tennis aggressive, tennis and she got on
top from the very very start of the, match and
you could see there was some the nerves aspect was
coming into play With Amanda. Anisimova she but what she said, was,
yeah there were, nerves but it wasn't. Dramatic, WELL i
think as the match progressed and things were just not

(01:38:54):
happening for. HER i mean shots there would have been
bread and, butter shots were going out or into the,
net and the frustration was developing and the crowd was
trying to get her going and.

Speaker 10 (01:39:06):
Lifting, her AND i think that would have added to
the nerves.

Speaker 20 (01:39:11):
Situation but and then on top of, it to counteract
somebody like srion tech conditions were helping. HER i mean
it was hot and sunny and just think things just
fell into play sport For Srian.

Speaker 10 (01:39:24):
Tech it was such a solid, performance it really.

Speaker 9 (01:39:27):
Was it was.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Classy she is unbeaten in major, finals that Six Grand slam,
title so she loves the big. Occasion craig by the ends.

Speaker 10 (01:39:35):
Of, It, oh there's no doubt about.

Speaker 20 (01:39:37):
It you, know with any of the big tour, players you,
know the first couple of rounds might be a little
bit of a. Drag we saw so many upsets At
wimbledon this, year but when they get into a, rhythm
it's so hard to stop. Them and Srion tek was
just able to avoid any potential upsets and the draw
opened up for. Her and as is, saying these conditions

(01:39:59):
for a lot of the time here At, wimbledon they've
been hot and. Sunny WHEN i walk down to the
courts this morning From southfield's tube, station which is the
most convenient tube station for The All England, club it
was seven point thirty in the morning and it was
twenty five degrees so it was a hot.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Day let's go to The means final tonight as it
was at The French Open Annick center Against Carlos. Elkarez
we had a five and a half hour match that.
Time elkarez winning in. Five might we see a similar
battle At wimbledon and the means?

Speaker 10 (01:40:34):
Final wouldn't it be incredible if we? DID i, MEAN i,
mean we'll be there through after dinner.

Speaker 20 (01:40:43):
Drinks it'll go that long because the final only starts
at four o'clock in the Afternoon london. Time but both
of them are expecting a, tough challenging, match and rightly.
So they know exactly what to. Expect it's nothing. Different
they've been through these matches time and again into they
head to head his eight to four In carlitos's. Favor you,

(01:41:05):
know suggest asked For, alcaraz will you have the mental
edge considering what happened at The French, open and he
said absolutely, not definitely, not and.

Speaker 10 (01:41:17):
That is the truth as he put.

Speaker 20 (01:41:19):
IT a sorry sinner feels That alcaraz is the, favorite
and he probably is is right in, that considering That
alcaraz has won the last Two wimbledon's and is quite
comfortable playing on.

Speaker 10 (01:41:32):
Grass so we'll see how this pans.

Speaker 20 (01:41:35):
Out BUT i think we are in for another humdinger
of a. Match for, me nothing Against. CARLOS i think
the world Of. Carlos by the, way he doesn't like
being Called. Carlos it's Either charlie Or. Carlitos and BUT
i would like to See annik winn and you, know
he's he's a wonderful. Guy both of them are the

(01:41:57):
heartbreak Of. PARIS i, think you, know it'll be wonderful
to see him get. Through and also there's An australian
connection in that one of his two, Coaches Darren, cahill
is An australian and has done wonders with, him as
as His italian Coach.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Simoni he's never Won wimbledon, though here's He. Craig he's
never even made the Final Yanick center before this. Year
but he's obviously fairly handy on, grass is he, well he's.

Speaker 20 (01:42:22):
More comfortable on it. NOW i mean it's taken a little.
While he admitted, that you, know he was a bit
toss on the. Movement WHAT i think has helped change things,
Around And Darren cahile was revealing. This He Novak djokovic
Beat yanick on two occasions At. Wimbledon the first time they,
Played yanick was up two sets to love and lost.

(01:42:44):
It the final three sets were pretty handy In novak's
Favorite darren had just started working With yannick and he
went To. Novak he, said, look don't tell me what
you don't want want to, say but what do you?
Think And novak gave him a complete write up on
what is Failing yannick and that's when things really. Started

(01:43:07):
and now in the semi, final that was the fifth
straight time he'd Beaten. Novak thanks nice for you, know
you're in friends like, that, seriously but it's you, know
it's great to see him develop the way he has
of the world number, one and he's one OF i
think what five or eleven players to have reached.

Speaker 10 (01:43:26):
All four off the major finals in The open. Era
but what he has.

Speaker 20 (01:43:32):
Also done is the sixth player or six man to win.
Too sorry it reached the finals of four consecutive. Majors
started at THE Us open last.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Year quite in, cribble just to finish. Quickly Craig, Novak.
Djokovic have we seen his last major?

Speaker 20 (01:43:48):
Win He's he was sort of asked that in a
roundabout way, yesterday and he says he expects to be
back At, wimbledon, maybe as he put, it for one Last,
Wimbledon so we'll. See but he admitted that ages catching
up and the injuries are. There he's a bit more

(01:44:10):
susceptible to injuries because of the age, factor but he,
SAID i change anybody to match me for the WAY
i take care of my body and the work THAT i.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
Do All, right we'll wait and see what lies ahead
For novak not to be At wimbledon twenty twenty, Five
Janick center Against Carlos alcarez for the men's singles. Final
alcarez can make it three in a. Row Jarix cinner
can win his First wimbledon. Title Craig gabriel And, wimbledon
and thank you for your. Time as, Always, craig appreciate
you updating us on what you see on the grass

(01:44:42):
courts At, wimbledon what you see all around the tennis.
World always good to get your insight and your. Analysis,
halftime it go me to your. Stadium THE nrl women's
match between The warriors and The Paramatta, eels eight nil
remains the. Score that was the score after seven, minutes
so a largely uneventful in terms of scoreboard activity, anyway

(01:45:05):
final half hour or, so but eight. Nil The warriors
women lead The Paramatta eels and of course The warriors
men's side to follow up against The West tigers off
the back of their by and back to back defeats
before the bye to The panthers at home and The broncos.
Away first time the, season The warriors have lost consecutive.
Games they'll certainly be looking to change things. Around looking

(01:45:26):
at the table at the, moment actually The warriors are
still in the top. Four there's still that buffer back
to The broncos of four. Points they can't climb any
higher with victory. Today The bulldogs are four points ahead
of them in third, place but The, warriors you, know
it can open up a six point gap back to
The broncos if they were to win this. Afternoon it feels, like,

(01:45:50):
yeah it feels like they should be. Okay, Well james
mconey call it a banana skin match, POTENTIALLY i feel
like they should be okay against The West. Tigers just
checking The. Broncos they of course play later on against The,
titans so you'd have to think they'll be favorites to win.
That so The broncos could close that gap. Again if
The warriors were to lose in The broncos, one the

(01:46:10):
gap between fourth and fifth would only be two. Points
you don't want, that you do not want? That twenty
seven away from. Three let's get a breakaway when we come.
Back Wayne goldsmith At Coaching guru on what he calls
one of sport's biggest myths and in his, view we
are the ones that created. It Wayne, goldsmith when we come.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Back the tough questions off the Turf Weekend sport With
jason hin AND. Gj, Garnnerholmes New zealand's most trusted home
Builder News.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Dogs twenty four away from. Three what time is the?
Means final asks this. Text it is three o'clock in
the Morning New zealand, time so four pm In, london
three o'clock in the Morning New zealand. Time tomorrow. Morning
yallick sinnot Against carlos Al. Kiraz it's great to have
on a regular basis on Weekend sport the wisdom of
one of the great coaching minds in this part of

(01:47:00):
the world or any part of the, World Coaching Guru Wayne,
goldsmith who joins us. Now, wayne thanks for your time
on to chat today about WHAT i saw you call
online in the last week or so sports biggest myth
and in your view we were the ones who created.
It the myth is that parents are the. Problem you
say that for decades we have treated parents like enemies

(01:47:23):
when it comes to their kids playing, sport and then
we've complained when they became too, Demanding we've excluded, them
refused to educate, them and then criticized their. Expectations in,
fact you believe parents are actually sports greatest untapped. Resource
not it's biggest. Problem so let's unpack. This where for,

(01:47:43):
starters did the parents are the problem myth actually come?

Speaker 28 (01:47:47):
From, well it's an interesting one, point isn't it THAT
i think because there's a very very small fraction of
parents who are you, know what's the technical term retbag,
parents the ones that run up and down the side
of the, pool or run up and down the side
of the field yelling.

Speaker 9 (01:48:05):
Abuse they're very, rare BUT i think they're.

Speaker 28 (01:48:09):
Disproportionately represented in media and coaching programs and coaching. Courses
and when we see someone who's really vocal but yelling
at referees and so, ON i think a lot of
parents have been. Tired if you're like with that brush
and it sort of became all, right, well then how

(01:48:30):
do we manage all?

Speaker 9 (01:48:32):
Parents not go hang?

Speaker 28 (01:48:33):
On there's a small number who've got some issues around
being overly invested or overly, passionate or expressing emotions in
a challenging. WAY i think we all got sucked into
well all parents are bad because of a very small
number who've got some genuine, issues and then, that of

(01:48:53):
course gets grabbed on by sporting associations and media and
it becomes easy to talk about the nightmare parent and
the horrible parent and the terror. Parent my experience is
it's a very very small, number but it's got out
of control to the point where a lot of coaches will,
say you, know the best thing to do is coach

(01:49:14):
next to an, orphanage or the.

Speaker 9 (01:49:16):
Best thing to do is to ban parents all. TOGETHER
i don't think that's the right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Approach, now you believe most difficult parents are simply one
of two, things or both scared and, uninformed they're not
necessarily and for the most, part they're not malicious at.
All can you just expand on the fact that they're
scared and, uninformed scared of what and uninformed obviously about
the sport that their kids are involved.

Speaker 28 (01:49:41):
In, well the most precious thing if you're a, parent
even when your kids are being annoying and always asking
For i've got eight, kids AND.

Speaker 9 (01:49:49):
I feel like an automatic tele machine with legs these.

Speaker 28 (01:49:52):
Days but even when they're being their most difficult and
annoying and, challenging we still love them more than our next.
Breath we still love them with everything we've. Got and
then we in a sporting, context we take them down
the logo rug be full or netball or cricket swimming,
anywhere and we're, saying, Look i'm going to entrust this,

(01:50:13):
beautiful precious thing THAT i value.

Speaker 9 (01:50:16):
Above life itself to you, coach or to you, club
or to you.

Speaker 28 (01:50:22):
Official and they're nervous, about, well will they treat my
child with a saving love and respect THAT i. Do
will they have enough care about my child's well, being
welfare and realizing their. Potential and it's a very, nervous nervous,
moment particularly if you're a young parent or a parent
who's a first time, parent who hasn't had a lot

(01:50:44):
of experience with kindergarten or pre school or primary, school secondary.
School you're not quite. Sure and out of that fear
of well will they know what to do to help my? Child,
well What i'll do just to be, Sure i'll tell
my kids what to. Do i'll step, In i'll yell
out instructions from the sideline's that's a big. One and
the other one IS i think a lot of parents

(01:51:06):
just don't know what good parenting looks. LIKE i think
they confuse good parenting with the volume of their. Voice
the more they heard on the, sideline the better they
must be, parenting.

Speaker 9 (01:51:17):
And it's quite often the.

Speaker 28 (01:51:19):
Opposite but you know WHAT i find piny more and
more is, that you, know young parents coming, in it's
okay for old guys like me have been in this
for a long time Because i've had to work with
many generations. Appearance but for every new, parent they're a new.
Parent it's their first time and they don't.

Speaker 9 (01:51:36):
Know what to. Expect and you, know it's beautiful to
see a lot of.

Speaker 28 (01:51:39):
SPORTS a lot of organizations are investing more and more
time and resources into educating, parents AND i think their
investment will come back to them many times. Over so
what is the best way then to educate and include
parents and turn them into this brilliant phrase THAT i
read from, you turn them into informed. Allies, well the

(01:52:00):
first thing is right from the, Start right from the,
start when a parent wore in with a.

Speaker 9 (01:52:07):
Child be really clear on your expectations as a club
or as a.

Speaker 28 (01:52:11):
Coach because you know WHAT i find by a lot
of clubs and, coaches they almost ignore this. Issue they go,
right all we really care about is getting your child in,
here getting the football boots on, them and getting them
out on the. Park and then we're overly reactive when
the parent does or says things that we don't. Like

(01:52:31):
get on the front foot right from the. Start have
a parent's booklet to, say welcome to our. Club we're
so happy That susie's come along to our netball.

Speaker 9 (01:52:41):
Club we really value having her, here but we value
you as. Well here's our parent's guide To sporting. Success
and then you.

Speaker 28 (01:52:49):
Open the page and it says, welcome we love having you.
Here next page says three things that every parent needs
to do a.

Speaker 9 (01:52:56):
Sport, one have a great time to work with the.
Coach we're all part of the same.

Speaker 28 (01:53:01):
Team and three work with the other parents and former
a group of that stands with the kids.

Speaker 9 (01:53:08):
Constantly something like.

Speaker 28 (01:53:10):
THAT a, workbook a, guidebook a handout you give the,
Parents so be clear right from the word.

Speaker 9 (01:53:16):
Go the second thing is very.

Speaker 28 (01:53:18):
Important pint HERE i say to every, club have a
parent's support.

Speaker 9 (01:53:23):
Group have two or three parents.

Speaker 28 (01:53:25):
Whose job it is to go to all the newbies and, say,
hey it's great that you're. Here we know that this
is the first child you've ever had in. Basketball, listen
we've been around for a. While these are some of
the things that we've learned and some of the things
that will help you enjoy your journey as a basketball
parent or a football. Parent even, more that parents support.

(01:53:45):
Group parents supporting other parents is a very powerful thing to.
Happen and because they, go, well hang, on someone gets.
Me the coach doesn't really want me around that. Much but,
hey this group of former of, parents they know exactly
What i'm going. Through they understand How i'm, feeling And
i'll listen to. Them that's such an important. Thing and

(01:54:06):
the third thing is have a system where if there's
a parent problem that's of merging in your club or your,
program where you can sit down and have a coss
or you can meet with, them or you have the
club president act as a. MEDIATOR i think way too
many coaches go that parent's a. PROBLEM i don't want them,
here and that's not good for the. Kid it's not

(01:54:27):
good for the. Club it's not good for anybody just saying,
no we.

Speaker 9 (01:54:31):
Don't want the parents on.

Speaker 28 (01:54:32):
Deck there's a total parent ban BECAUSE i don't like
the way they did this or said.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
That are there any circumstances or parts of the sporting
journey or parts of the sporting week leading into the
weekends game where parents should be, excluded should be you,
know shouldn't be, Included, Wayne not THAT.

Speaker 9 (01:54:53):
I can see, Really.

Speaker 28 (01:54:55):
PINY i think one of the, again the issue is
always around, clarity clarity of roles and. Responsibility the model
That i've believed in for a long long time is
that imagine in that the potential of the, child and
that's potential as a human being for happiness and, joy
potential is them.

Speaker 9 (01:55:13):
To be all that they choose to be and athletic.
Potential imagine that that's the product.

Speaker 28 (01:55:18):
That we want at the, end a happy joy for
child who's expressed everything they can and feel safe and
that they belong and they're being all that they can.

Speaker 9 (01:55:28):
Be in that. Sport so that's what we want is the.

Speaker 28 (01:55:30):
Output we then form a partnership to create that of the,
coach the, parent and the, athlete and the three of
us we.

Speaker 9 (01:55:39):
Do our jobs like you would in any.

Speaker 28 (01:55:41):
Partnership you, know with your, show you've got your on,
radio you do the background, work you do the, research
you do all that. Stuff but you've got somebody who's
doing some of the technical word for, it and you've
got a promotions group and everyone does their job to
produce a great.

Speaker 9 (01:55:56):
Program on the.

Speaker 28 (01:55:57):
Weekends it's the same with this that you know what
a coaches, do technical, leadership physical, training, tactics, selections all those.

Speaker 9 (01:56:05):
Things what are the kids?

Speaker 28 (01:56:07):
Do we want them to come and have, fun, learn
enjoy the, experience and come. Back what do we want
parents to. Do we don't want them to do those
other two. Things we want them to unconditional, love value and.
Support we want them to bring the kids on. Time
we want them to love them irrespective of success or.
Failure where you, KNOW i think again this clarity of

(01:56:28):
saying to a, parent this is what we need you to,
do and if you do these, things we're confident that
your child will have a wonderful journey through sport and
they'll realize their potential because of your. Contribution and that
clarity of roles and responsibilities is so, important.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
And that probably answers another Question i've got, here and
that's around how kids get into particular, sports because often
the whole play sports that their parents have, played you,
know and often to a decent. Level you, know if
an adult is a decent, basketballer they might want to
introduce their son or daughter to basketball because they know
the joy and the fulfillment they got out of. It

(01:57:06):
so what's the best way of dealing with a parent or,
actually flipp, it what's the best way to be a
parent who's played a sport to make sure that your
own child gets the benefit of coaching without you overstepping
if you get What i'm, Asking, OH i.

Speaker 28 (01:57:20):
Do but how tempting has it been for everybody involved in,
sport everybody who's played, sport because you, know you've got
that connection with the, sport and you know what a
wonderful sport yours could, be yours, is and you.

Speaker 9 (01:57:34):
Want nothing more than to share that with your.

Speaker 28 (01:57:36):
Child so your child's playing, soccer your child's playing, football
and you can't avoid the. Temptation you just can't resist, saying,
well WHEN i used to, play you know what we
used to, do AND i don't know how many, birds you?

Speaker 9 (01:57:51):
Know, again there's nothing wrong with.

Speaker 28 (01:57:52):
That their parents are just sharing the joy and the
love they feel for the. Sport that's most important to. Do,
however OS a say to, Parents you've got to draw a.
Line you've got to draw a, line which is the
enthusiic and passionate sharing of the way you feel about
your sport with your, job but allowing them to have

(01:58:13):
their own experience with the. Sport and believe, me if
kids want your opinion and if they want your, input
they'll ask for. It and, look one of the big Dangers,
PINEY i think younger, kids it's not such a big.
Deal if you like bike riding and you like to
go out and bike riding and you think it's the
greatest thing of all. Time the kids will sense you

(01:58:34):
all passion and your. Enthusiasm that'll rub off on. Them
they'll probably do.

Speaker 9 (01:58:37):
It where you've got to be really careful with this
is mid, teens because all of us are wired to.

Speaker 28 (01:58:44):
Rebel and the more that mum and dad tell me
about how good their sport, is and the more mum
and dad try to coach me to get better at their,
sport the least likely it is That i'm going to
do it BECAUSE i want to do the exact opposite
of what they're telling me to. Do they want to
stop me from going out and experiencing. Life they're the
ones telling me to go to bed on. Time anything

(01:59:05):
they tell me is probably. Wrong so they're going to
try and coach me how to be better at. SWIMMING
i ain't going to listen to, them and in, FACT
i might leave the sport to save them being in
my face. Constantly if you've got, parents if you've got
kids who are in their, teens be very very careful
about giving them too much, information too much, education and

(01:59:26):
too much of what you think is important in their,
teens because it's Likely i've pushed back the other.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
Way great advice and, wisdom as always from, you weigh
lots to take. Away just before you, go SOMETHING i
want to talk about with you in a future segment
is the subject of your new, book which is Called
The Talent Myth why Talent isn't Worth i'll say, shite
but it's a slightly different version of that available. Now that.
BOOK i do want to talk about, it AS i,

(01:59:52):
say with you in a future. Segment but this is
your latest latest piece of. Literature, yes it.

Speaker 28 (02:00:00):
Doesn't it came from a young fellow THAT i was
talking to about a year. Ago he we'd been dropped
from the school, team and the school teacher who dropped
him said that you're being dropped because you're just not
talented enough to make the.

Speaker 9 (02:00:16):
Team AND i thought about it, Deeply.

Speaker 28 (02:00:19):
PINEY i, thought how many other kids have been told
you're not good enough or you're not talented enough for
you're never going to make? It then, YOU i, mean
you meet some pretty Impressive New zealand, athletes you, know
all blacks and, ferns and you know a lot of
them you wouldn't technically classify as super, talented but they

(02:00:41):
just love playing the game and they're good, people and
they try hard and they give everything to.

Speaker 9 (02:00:46):
It AND i, thought hang on a, minute this talent,
Thing we've got this completely.

Speaker 28 (02:00:52):
Wrong we're saying the, kids if you're Not Roger, frederer
well you shouldn't be playing. Tennis it's like, saying you,
know if you can't play Like, mozart well don't sit
behind a. Piano if you're if you're Not, pericaso you're
never going to be as good As. Pocasso don't pick
up a. Paintbrush it's. Ludicrous SO i, Thought i'm going
to sit down and write a book that says more than,

(02:01:13):
anything to give hope to everyone who's ever been.

Speaker 9 (02:01:16):
Told you're not good, enough you're not telling it, enough
you don't have what it.

Speaker 28 (02:01:20):
Takes And, LORD i really hope it's going to make
an impact on kids and parents and coaches and, teachers
and above, all it'll get us thinking that talent.

Speaker 9 (02:01:28):
Is so much more than being big and strong and.

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
Fast love. It look forward to chatting about that in
a future. Segment but it's available On amazon right. Now as,
always appreciate your, time your, wisdom your. Expertise wayne will
catch up again.

Speaker 9 (02:01:42):
Soon always a, pleasure my, Friend always a.

Speaker 3 (02:01:44):
Pleasure it's always a pleasure talking to, You, Wayne Wayne
goldsmith there you, can, yeah look for his new book On,
amazon Just Wayne goldsmith and it'll turn. Up The warrior
is still ahead eight and zil against The Paramount. Eels
it's a pretty tight. Affair that's one in the early
game of go, media The warrior is mean to follow
against The Waist, tigers and in the softball well, yell
the mat a really hot start Against, japan four runs

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