July 19, 2025 • 10 mins
The All Blacks managed a narrow 29-19 win over France in Hamilton, but they've got work to do going forward.
The hosts trailed by 10 early on, and nine just before halftime, before running in the last 19 points of the game.
All Blacks assistant coach Scott Hansen joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks ed B.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The All Blacks have been in France twenty nine nineteen
in Hamilton to sweep the three Test series three nil.
Having trailed nineteen seventeen at the break. Duplessy Kadify and
Brody McAllister scored tries in the second half to secure
the win.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
To reefeedback for Jordy Barrett lighting through he has support.
Broddie McCallister on deabot slides over the line All Blacks
debitot you would think seals the win.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, very cool moment for Brody McAllister, All Black number
twelve hundred and twenty nine and a try scorer on
debut on his home patch. All Black's assistant coach Scott
Hansen is with U. Scott, thanks for taking the time
this afternoon. In general terms, first of all, how do
you evaluate last night's performance?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
This was the performance. Actually haven't watched it again where
we're hit and run this morning. Now I'll get the
chance to watch it again. But the field from the
group was we liked a little bit of cohesion out
there at times that probably didn't allow us to find
the game that we wanted to against the French. The
French did a really good job adapting their game differitely
(01:18):
defensively around it, and we'll probably feel watching that game again.
I didn't quote recognize some opportunity that in front of
us around our game where will to be better? Taking
all that away being a grumpy old coach and being
a positive coach, I'll swing that now around some fantastic
displays from some young men put under a lot of
(01:41):
pressure in a test match moment. The response from them
was so encouraging. A really good for us as a
group to take some earnings really from a performance that
will need to be better and leading into Argentina. So overall,
there's a lot that we can take out of the game.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
How big an adjustment is it for a player to
go from an impact player to a starter with only
ten or fifteen minutes notice, as dupless he had to
do last night when Luke Jacobson was a late scratching
How big a challenge for a player is that?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah? I think I think preparation. We focus on preparation
and everyone being ready, and that moment comes, you need
to be ready, and last night was an example of
that that put Christian Obs obviously onto the bench. Dukes
did a fantastic job during the warm up. Luke unfortunately
took a knock to the leg and we felt that
(02:34):
he wasn't able to start, therefore not able to finish
the test. So for US duops came in did a
great job, eighty went to eight and then maneuvered really
quickly with the group. So the process of preparing for
through the week and again was highlighted last night in
the need for It.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Hardie Savey had talked afterwards about being punched in the
nose in the first half. He said, first time since
the second Test against England last year, you've actually been
behind at halftime. What were the messages to the team
during the break.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
We've got the chance to take them in the break
and terestly you listen to what they see and what
they're feeling around the game, and we've also got the
chance to show them a clip or two around where
the games app where the opportunities are and where we
need to possibly clean up. There's always that at halftime
to keep it around. The messages from the leaders was
(03:27):
maintained position and just some correction around certain areas of
the field. We didn't quite know that again in the
second half, but the leaders did a great job at
halftime around what was needed, and again we showed a
lot of composer. We found a way when essentially being
ten neel down and we had to bike through. So
really pleasing to see that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You were held up over the triline a number of
times went't you three or four times? I can remember
that you were over the line? Yeah? Yeah, well interesting then,
but what can be done about that? It's you know,
it's desperate French defense. You know you've got there all,
but there is it just different body position? How do
you work on something like that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh exactly, that different body position, Understanding where the space was,
understand how we can work in as individuals or doubles.
It was an area of the game at last ten
meters for us. We just didn't get what right as
well as we should have last night. The space was
across the field and that's not always trying to run
(04:28):
over the top of people. So we'll definitely have some
good learnings there. I felt the way we trained during
the week was a week up there, no excuses at all,
but we tightened up down there and as a coach
I thought, all, you know, I need to prepare the
better and then what they played around that area of
the game. So definitely a lot of things Jason, around
body height, where we were on the field, the ability
(04:50):
to move to the space and even use our individuals
a wee bit differently.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Speaking of prep, France are very different, don't they, particularly
on attack from anything your players come up against in
Super rugby. How detailed is your prep around your opposition
in the week of a test?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yep, yeah, that shows a lot of respect. We spent
a lot of time obviously acknowledging their games, what helps
their game, where it starts from. We acknowledge where we'll
get positioned from their game. When we do then well too.
So if you're a bit of depth, the players do
a great job within the orbic environment getting ready for trends,
what we can expect, and then you've got to have
(05:30):
that ability also to adjust them adjust quickly. Last night
the French played at first ten minutes that moved the
bad away bit differently, had a little bit more difference
in their shape, so we had to adapt to that
and then defensively obviously from the Wellington Test They put
a lot of time and effort into their double collisions
that slowed up our ball at times, but we felt
(05:52):
also it was in a lot of kickspace in the
back of the field. We got there one or two times,
which was great, but again some growth around how we
can get there quicker we keep our forwards going forward.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Can you talk a bit about the influence of Jordi
Barrett when he came up.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah, massive, It was a massive influence, and coming on
we needed some type running. We needed what he gave
us with that breach line and the inside border Brodie,
we needed his experience, a carb influence on the group
and vice captain coming on from the bench. So we thought,
and I thought, in particular when Jordie went on, here
(06:28):
are really encouraging tests around knowing where we were in
the moment, what was required.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Have you ever seen a more natural triscorer than will Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I've had the privilege, like many, you know, all Black
and world rugby lovers and loving the game, to watch
a lot of finishes and a lot of fantastic players.
But the ultimate privilege for me really is having a
believer in all of us as coaches of coaching someone
like Will Jordan in particular his anticipation for where the
(07:02):
ball will be, his ability to lead out there like
a coach and govern the group around where we can
be in our attack. He's getting better and better, I believe,
and you can just sit back and really enjoy world
around going around his natural game. It's a real toughness
(07:24):
about his game at the moment, around his carry, his
intent and also defensively and so all Jordan's in a
beautiful spot at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Just a couple of forward looking questions to finish, Scott,
how many positions in your best fifteen are still live conversations.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
The all backs. There also be the competition we need
needs to come from within the group. So when our
players are playing well and we're putting in good performances,
that's the pressure that we need on the group for
them to respond. So competition within the group needs to
be massive. And we're very lucky at the moment around
building some quality debt. And you look at Lowey who's
(08:05):
just come on last night, because you look at Flicky
where he's at his game. Also, so if you go
from Wonder fifteen at the moment, we feel we're building
some good depth. Yes we need to continue that. Yes
a lot of positions need some more tests to continue
that growth. But we're really happy with what we're building
and the players that we have.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So what will the next month look like? As you
prepare for the Rugby Championship?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You know our next time will be over argent Teenage
just says as coaching staff, what we do is we
connect and we prepare for that. We present information for
the boys to look at in their time in the
coming weeks and that girl and the medical staff will
do a great job preparing them mentally and physically to
keep it around being an all backers. When you go
(08:51):
home from this series, just be present with your loved ones,
your family, take care for them and be present. Do
really well there because you don't get that right. A
lot of boys at times, they may come back into
the environment and they may not be at their best
because of it. So that's really important managing home and
doing well there. They've got their physical preparation. A number
(09:12):
of players will play for the provincial unions, which is great.
They need to get in and play well and be
good all back within those environments and then we'll get
to Argentina with with a week to go and prepared
for that.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Test over and just to Finnish, I mean there are
some big taste matches coming up. I know you only
look at the next ones Argentina, as you say, but
South Africa looming on the horizon. Do you feel like
you're in a pretty good spot as we sat here today, Scott,
ahead of ahead of these big challenges ahead.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
We're bolding, we're building, for sure. I think we can
take a lot of confidence from the French series. We
can take some confidence around areas of our government have
gone well. Now we just need to bring it together.
That will always be the focus for us. But yeah,
it's a really good rugby on around the world for
us all to watch and enjoy. It also gives you
the chance to look at those environments to go okay,
(10:02):
where are we around that to the innovation that are
creating in the game. We were we their game and
we'll from people. So it's some good foody to come
up and watch. We're definitely excited around we were leading.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I appreciate you taking the time for a chat, Scott.
Hope you're going to a rebreak as well. We'll catch
up again soon.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Thanks. So much Matte, nice to talk to you today,
Thanks Jason.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, thank you. Scott Scott Henson, the assistant coach of
the All Blacks, or one of.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks it'd be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks ed B.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The All Blacks have been in France twenty nine nineteen
in Hamilton to sweep the three Test series three nil.
Having trailed nineteen seventeen at the break. Duplessy Kadify and
Brody McAllister scored tries in the second half to secure
the win.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
To reefeedback for Jordy Barrett lighting through he has support.
Broddie McCallister on deabot slides over the line All Blacks
debitot you would think seals the win.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, very cool moment for Brody McAllister, All Black number
twelve hundred and twenty nine and a try scorer on
debut on his home patch. All Black's assistant coach Scott
Hansen is with U. Scott, thanks for taking the time
this afternoon. In general terms, first of all, how do
you evaluate last night's performance?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
This was the performance. Actually haven't watched it again where
we're hit and run this morning. Now I'll get the
chance to watch it again. But the field from the
group was we liked a little bit of cohesion out
there at times that probably didn't allow us to find
the game that we wanted to against the French. The
French did a really good job adapting their game differitely
(01:18):
defensively around it, and we'll probably feel watching that game again.
I didn't quote recognize some opportunity that in front of
us around our game where will to be better? Taking
all that away being a grumpy old coach and being
a positive coach, I'll swing that now around some fantastic
displays from some young men put under a lot of
(01:41):
pressure in a test match moment. The response from them
was so encouraging. A really good for us as a
group to take some earnings really from a performance that
will need to be better and leading into Argentina. So overall,
there's a lot that we can take out of the game.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
How big an adjustment is it for a player to
go from an impact player to a starter with only
ten or fifteen minutes notice, as dupless he had to
do last night when Luke Jacobson was a late scratching
How big a challenge for a player is that?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah? I think I think preparation. We focus on preparation
and everyone being ready, and that moment comes, you need
to be ready, and last night was an example of
that that put Christian Obs obviously onto the bench. Dukes
did a fantastic job during the warm up. Luke unfortunately
took a knock to the leg and we felt that
(02:34):
he wasn't able to start, therefore not able to finish
the test. So for US duops came in did a
great job, eighty went to eight and then maneuvered really
quickly with the group. So the process of preparing for
through the week and again was highlighted last night in
the need for It.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Hardie Savey had talked afterwards about being punched in the
nose in the first half. He said, first time since
the second Test against England last year, you've actually been
behind at halftime. What were the messages to the team
during the break.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
We've got the chance to take them in the break
and terestly you listen to what they see and what
they're feeling around the game, and we've also got the
chance to show them a clip or two around where
the games app where the opportunities are and where we
need to possibly clean up. There's always that at halftime
to keep it around. The messages from the leaders was
(03:27):
maintained position and just some correction around certain areas of
the field. We didn't quite know that again in the
second half, but the leaders did a great job at
halftime around what was needed, and again we showed a
lot of composer. We found a way when essentially being
ten neel down and we had to bike through. So
really pleasing to see that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You were held up over the triline a number of
times went't you three or four times? I can remember
that you were over the line? Yeah? Yeah, well interesting then,
but what can be done about that? It's you know,
it's desperate French defense. You know you've got there all,
but there is it just different body position? How do
you work on something like that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh exactly, that different body position, Understanding where the space was,
understand how we can work in as individuals or doubles.
It was an area of the game at last ten
meters for us. We just didn't get what right as
well as we should have last night. The space was
across the field and that's not always trying to run
(04:28):
over the top of people. So we'll definitely have some
good learnings there. I felt the way we trained during
the week was a week up there, no excuses at all,
but we tightened up down there and as a coach
I thought, all, you know, I need to prepare the
better and then what they played around that area of
the game. So definitely a lot of things Jason, around
body height, where we were on the field, the ability
(04:50):
to move to the space and even use our individuals
a wee bit differently.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Speaking of prep, France are very different, don't they, particularly
on attack from anything your players come up against in
Super rugby. How detailed is your prep around your opposition
in the week of a test?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yep, yeah, that shows a lot of respect. We spent
a lot of time obviously acknowledging their games, what helps
their game, where it starts from. We acknowledge where we'll
get positioned from their game. When we do then well too.
So if you're a bit of depth, the players do
a great job within the orbic environment getting ready for trends,
what we can expect, and then you've got to have
(05:30):
that ability also to adjust them adjust quickly. Last night
the French played at first ten minutes that moved the
bad away bit differently, had a little bit more difference
in their shape, so we had to adapt to that
and then defensively obviously from the Wellington Test They put
a lot of time and effort into their double collisions
that slowed up our ball at times, but we felt
(05:52):
also it was in a lot of kickspace in the
back of the field. We got there one or two times,
which was great, but again some growth around how we
can get there quicker we keep our forwards going forward.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Can you talk a bit about the influence of Jordi
Barrett when he came up.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah, massive, It was a massive influence, and coming on
we needed some type running. We needed what he gave
us with that breach line and the inside border Brodie,
we needed his experience, a carb influence on the group
and vice captain coming on from the bench. So we thought,
and I thought, in particular when Jordie went on, here
(06:28):
are really encouraging tests around knowing where we were in
the moment, what was required.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Have you ever seen a more natural triscorer than will Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I've had the privilege, like many, you know, all Black
and world rugby lovers and loving the game, to watch
a lot of finishes and a lot of fantastic players.
But the ultimate privilege for me really is having a
believer in all of us as coaches of coaching someone
like Will Jordan in particular his anticipation for where the
(07:02):
ball will be, his ability to lead out there like
a coach and govern the group around where we can
be in our attack. He's getting better and better, I believe,
and you can just sit back and really enjoy world
around going around his natural game. It's a real toughness
(07:24):
about his game at the moment, around his carry, his
intent and also defensively and so all Jordan's in a
beautiful spot at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Just a couple of forward looking questions to finish, Scott,
how many positions in your best fifteen are still live conversations.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
The all backs. There also be the competition we need
needs to come from within the group. So when our
players are playing well and we're putting in good performances,
that's the pressure that we need on the group for
them to respond. So competition within the group needs to
be massive. And we're very lucky at the moment around
building some quality debt. And you look at Lowey who's
(08:05):
just come on last night, because you look at Flicky
where he's at his game. Also, so if you go
from Wonder fifteen at the moment, we feel we're building
some good depth. Yes we need to continue that. Yes
a lot of positions need some more tests to continue
that growth. But we're really happy with what we're building
and the players that we have.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So what will the next month look like? As you
prepare for the Rugby Championship?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You know our next time will be over argent Teenage
just says as coaching staff, what we do is we
connect and we prepare for that. We present information for
the boys to look at in their time in the
coming weeks and that girl and the medical staff will
do a great job preparing them mentally and physically to
keep it around being an all backers. When you go
(08:51):
home from this series, just be present with your loved ones,
your family, take care for them and be present. Do
really well there because you don't get that right. A
lot of boys at times, they may come back into
the environment and they may not be at their best
because of it. So that's really important managing home and
doing well there. They've got their physical preparation. A number
(09:12):
of players will play for the provincial unions, which is great.
They need to get in and play well and be
good all back within those environments and then we'll get
to Argentina with with a week to go and prepared
for that.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Test over and just to Finnish, I mean there are
some big taste matches coming up. I know you only
look at the next ones Argentina, as you say, but
South Africa looming on the horizon. Do you feel like
you're in a pretty good spot as we sat here today, Scott,
ahead of ahead of these big challenges ahead.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
We're bolding, we're building, for sure. I think we can
take a lot of confidence from the French series. We
can take some confidence around areas of our government have
gone well. Now we just need to bring it together.
That will always be the focus for us. But yeah,
it's a really good rugby on around the world for
us all to watch and enjoy. It also gives you
the chance to look at those environments to go okay,
(10:02):
where are we around that to the innovation that are
creating in the game. We were we their game and
we'll from people. So it's some good foody to come
up and watch. We're definitely excited around we were leading.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I appreciate you taking the time for a chat, Scott.
Hope you're going to a rebreak as well. We'll catch
up again soon.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Thanks. So much Matte, nice to talk to you today,
Thanks Jason.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, thank you. Scott Scott Henson, the assistant coach of
the All Blacks, or one of.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks it'd be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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