James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss the Black Ferns' upcoming matches and the ongoing NPC season.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
I don't think that the horses actually live at the stadium.
I could be wrong. James mcconi might know. Do the Crusaders'
horses live at Addington and they're not not in the
raceway but in the in the stadium down there?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Do you know, mate?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I feel like they'd be brought in, wouldn't they. They'd
be brought in for the day. But it's quite handy
having stables right there. That's that is a good question,
A good question, really what's happening at that stadium? Where
are the stables? Because that's quite a built up industrial area.
I mean, yes, from what I can tell.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Right, well, we'll try and do some more digging into that.
I didn't mean to throw that your way. I wanted
to talk about Olie Mathis though. Is he a flanker,
is he a winger? Is there any need to decide?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Well, it's about time we had our first hybrid, true
hybrid come through, because I feel like, you know, when
Jonah made the switch, that was something that was permanent.
When Eric Rush went to the from flank of the
wing again, you know, he just became a winger, but
right now we've got someone who could do either or
there's even murmurings that he should play in midfield for
(01:19):
long term. He's not the biggest human dolly, but he
is an absolute athlete and as you saw again last
night for the Muluse, he's just capable of special things.
And you and I have talked about it, Piney Henry Pollock,
similar kind of skill set, unbelievable. But they identified it
early that he's worthy of playing international footy, and I
(01:40):
think they are they are ahead of the curve by
making that call early for Henry and when are we
going to do it?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Finally?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I just he was that try he set up or
he was the architect of it. I know, went through
a couple of sets of hands after him, but he
was the one who made the made the break. And yeah,
I mean it actually doesn't matter, does it, what number
he's got on his back? I know, And perhaps on
defense and then the more structured parts of rugby it does,
But in the loose it doesn't matter at all, does it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
No? Exactly. That's That's the one thing with Oli matthis
is that right now, his athleticism his agility really is
a so world class. I mean, I would have even
thought that he would have been worth taking a punt
on last year bringing into the All Blacks camp, because
I think sending him to sevens and you know, obviously
(02:28):
you have to lose weight and all that sort of
stuff isn't really what he was after. He was just
after some security and offer. His talent was prodigious enough
from what he did in the NPC last year to
warrant some kind of acknowledgment. Yeah, I mean, I know
it's a big leap frog, but sometimes you're going to
make that call when you see a talent that that's
this rare.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah. Indeed, Well he reminds me a bit of Georgia Miller.
Actually she's on the show next hour, so but they're
kind of some light like she could probably play in
a couple of positions too, couldn't she.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, I think so. I mean Georgia is a really
good example that they've got a similar skill set fun
as anyone on that team, especially over the first thirty meters,
and that's what you know in fifteen a side that
makes such a big difference obviously when you're playing sevens
you've got to go for sixty or seventy meters sometimes.
But you know, we've seen players come through with this
(03:22):
kind of Remember young Victor Vito was a bit like that,
but he I don't know if you recall he had
a neck injury that slowed him down a bit and
then he just definitely became a forward. And I mean
we could have seen it from him. But right now
for Oli mathis, I mean, I'll be happy for him
to play anywhere. But the way that we're looking at rugby,
(03:43):
say for number sevens, I'm glad we've taken the turn
where then you're not obsessed with how big they are,
it's just how good they are. And then I'm talking
about dupless kid Fee. I think you need a real
turnover expert in playing number seven these days.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I can't wait to see what the future holds
for that talented young man. Other matters around today to
chat about terrible news last week that Western United, the
A League football club who have teams in both the
A League men's and women's competitions, have had their A
League licenses revoked. They've got the opportunity to appeal, but
everything I'm reading and hearing looks as though it's going
(04:19):
to be the folding of Western United. Never great when
a sporting club has to fold.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's so weird that you find Poney keeping up with
a league news. So on the one hand, they're saying
it's it's an expansion league. We're going to say in
the second team in Queensland. Canberra is going to get
a team, and then meanwhile there's a club just on
its knees, and that's a club that won the comp
just a couple of years ago. So I think this
is a really dangerous sign for clubs that probably can't
(04:50):
retain talent and can't get fans through the turnstiles. So unfortunately,
I'm sort of looking at the Wellington Phoenix and just
saying they need to they need to have a really strong,
robust plan to make sure that they can weather I
guess losing their best player and cost the barbarusis who's gone.
I know there's always going to be players there who
leave from time to time because their dream is to
(05:12):
play in Europe. But if you're a club that's just
got you know, sort of nineteenagers and two older guys,
it's not really it doesn't all go well I mean,
do you worry about the future of the Phoenix like
I do, Pony?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Not really, I mean probably I don't worry about them
off the field at all because you know a lot
of clubs have been through financial trials and tribulations in
the last you know, decade and a half in the
A League, but the Phoenix never have apart from when
Terry was there, but they quickly you know, changed ownership.
Since well Nick's have been there, there's never been any
suggestion of financially them leaving. There was that, you know,
(05:48):
they wanted to get David Gallup wanted to get rid
of them for other reasons known mainly to him. That
didn't happen. I think they'll be okay, but it's yeah,
it's just such a shame for all of the good
football people at that club, you know, the players who
now have an uncertain future, the fans, and they didn't
have a huge fan base, but who do they support now.
(06:10):
It's there's no I mean, it's just a sorry situation
all around. Really yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And I mean, look, I'm not saying that the Phoenix
are necessarily in trouble, just I just don't like some
of the signs when you lose talented guys sometimes in bunches,
like we felt like they haven't in recent years. And
I know that everyone's got a different kind of budget
to operate under, but you know when there's these guys,
I mean, was at a sixteen year old playing last year? Yeah,
(06:39):
I think it was maybe seventeen.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think it was now Luke brook Smith he was
he was sixteen. I think he was the youngest goal
scorer for the team. Anyway, Gabrielle Sloan would riggas as well.
They've had a couple of teenagers. Look, they're playing this
afternoon actually in the Australia Cup and they beat Perth
with a bunch of bunch of kids, So you know,
maybe maybe they're onto something at Nick's HQ.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It could be. Hey, just one word on the Warriors.
I know last night was a bummer, but it was
too to be expected. But I do worry about the
run home and the game against the Dragons next week
is so pivotal because after that the Titans, Eels and Manly.
I don't I just don't think we can guarantee too much,
to expect too much. The Titans have always had our
recently had our number the Eels, Mitchell Moses, Zach Lomas,
(07:26):
you know, josh ad Okar, and then we never play
well at Brookvale. I just think this is so much
riding on this game against the Dragons next week. It's
that's going to be a blockbus bust of clash really well.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Indeed, hey, just for your comfort, the horses don't stay
at the ground text here we know one of the
owners of the Crusaders horses. They're taken in for the games.
They don't live there. They're saddled on the Addington racecourse
side of them at the moment, but only because the
race course is there. That's just pure coincidence that that
is there. So they go back to their own stables
(07:59):
at the mind.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, what about Takaha though. That's the question though, isn't it.
That's what we would need to know in the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Middle of ten. Yeah, where are they gonna how are
they gonna get there?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, it's a real issue.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
That's one of the it's one of the key issues. Hi,
great to chedis always mate. Enjoy the rest of your
weekend and we'll we'll catch up again next Sunday
Speaker 1 (08:21):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine listen live
to News Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News talks'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I don't think that the horses actually live at the stadium.
I could be wrong. James mcconi might know. Do the Crusaders'
horses live at Addington and they're not not in the
raceway but in the in the stadium down there?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Do you know, mate?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I feel like they'd be brought in, wouldn't they. They'd
be brought in for the day. But it's quite handy
having stables right there. That's that is a good question,
A good question, really what's happening at that stadium? Where
are the stables? Because that's quite a built up industrial area.
I mean, yes, from what I can tell.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Right, well, we'll try and do some more digging into that.
I didn't mean to throw that your way. I wanted
to talk about Olie Mathis though. Is he a flanker,
is he a winger? Is there any need to decide?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Well, it's about time we had our first hybrid, true
hybrid come through, because I feel like, you know, when
Jonah made the switch, that was something that was permanent.
When Eric Rush went to the from flank of the
wing again, you know, he just became a winger, but
right now we've got someone who could do either or
there's even murmurings that he should play in midfield for
(01:19):
long term. He's not the biggest human dolly, but he
is an absolute athlete and as you saw again last
night for the Muluse, he's just capable of special things.
And you and I have talked about it, Piney Henry Pollock,
similar kind of skill set, unbelievable. But they identified it
early that he's worthy of playing international footy, and I
(01:40):
think they are they are ahead of the curve by
making that call early for Henry and when are we
going to do it?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Finally?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I just he was that try he set up or
he was the architect of it. I know, went through
a couple of sets of hands after him, but he
was the one who made the made the break. And yeah,
I mean it actually doesn't matter, does it, what number
he's got on his back? I know, And perhaps on
defense and then the more structured parts of rugby it does,
But in the loose it doesn't matter at all, does it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
No? Exactly. That's That's the one thing with Oli matthis
is that right now, his athleticism his agility really is
a so world class. I mean, I would have even
thought that he would have been worth taking a punt
on last year bringing into the All Blacks camp, because
I think sending him to sevens and you know, obviously
(02:28):
you have to lose weight and all that sort of
stuff isn't really what he was after. He was just
after some security and offer. His talent was prodigious enough
from what he did in the NPC last year to
warrant some kind of acknowledgment. Yeah, I mean, I know
it's a big leap frog, but sometimes you're going to
make that call when you see a talent that that's
this rare.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah. Indeed, Well he reminds me a bit of Georgia Miller.
Actually she's on the show next hour, so but they're
kind of some light like she could probably play in
a couple of positions too, couldn't she.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, I think so. I mean Georgia is a really
good example that they've got a similar skill set fun
as anyone on that team, especially over the first thirty meters,
and that's what you know in fifteen a side that
makes such a big difference obviously when you're playing sevens
you've got to go for sixty or seventy meters sometimes.
But you know, we've seen players come through with this
(03:22):
kind of Remember young Victor Vito was a bit like that,
but he I don't know if you recall he had
a neck injury that slowed him down a bit and
then he just definitely became a forward. And I mean
we could have seen it from him. But right now
for Oli mathis, I mean, I'll be happy for him
to play anywhere. But the way that we're looking at rugby,
(03:43):
say for number sevens, I'm glad we've taken the turn
where then you're not obsessed with how big they are,
it's just how good they are. And then I'm talking
about dupless kid Fee. I think you need a real
turnover expert in playing number seven these days.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I can't wait to see what the future holds
for that talented young man. Other matters around today to
chat about terrible news last week that Western United, the
A League football club who have teams in both the
A League men's and women's competitions, have had their A
League licenses revoked. They've got the opportunity to appeal, but
everything I'm reading and hearing looks as though it's going
(04:19):
to be the folding of Western United. Never great when
a sporting club has to fold.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's so weird that you find Poney keeping up with
a league news. So on the one hand, they're saying
it's it's an expansion league. We're going to say in
the second team in Queensland. Canberra is going to get
a team, and then meanwhile there's a club just on
its knees, and that's a club that won the comp
just a couple of years ago. So I think this
is a really dangerous sign for clubs that probably can't
(04:50):
retain talent and can't get fans through the turnstiles. So unfortunately,
I'm sort of looking at the Wellington Phoenix and just
saying they need to they need to have a really strong,
robust plan to make sure that they can weather I
guess losing their best player and cost the barbarusis who's gone.
I know there's always going to be players there who
leave from time to time because their dream is to
(05:12):
play in Europe. But if you're a club that's just
got you know, sort of nineteenagers and two older guys,
it's not really it doesn't all go well I mean,
do you worry about the future of the Phoenix like
I do, Pony?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Not really, I mean probably I don't worry about them
off the field at all because you know a lot
of clubs have been through financial trials and tribulations in
the last you know, decade and a half in the
A League, but the Phoenix never have apart from when
Terry was there, but they quickly you know, changed ownership.
Since well Nick's have been there, there's never been any
suggestion of financially them leaving. There was that, you know,
(05:48):
they wanted to get David Gallup wanted to get rid
of them for other reasons known mainly to him. That
didn't happen. I think they'll be okay, but it's yeah,
it's just such a shame for all of the good
football people at that club, you know, the players who
now have an uncertain future, the fans, and they didn't
have a huge fan base, but who do they support now.
(06:10):
It's there's no I mean, it's just a sorry situation
all around. Really yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And I mean, look, I'm not saying that the Phoenix
are necessarily in trouble, just I just don't like some
of the signs when you lose talented guys sometimes in bunches,
like we felt like they haven't in recent years. And
I know that everyone's got a different kind of budget
to operate under, but you know when there's these guys,
I mean, was at a sixteen year old playing last year? Yeah,
(06:39):
I think it was maybe seventeen.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think it was now Luke brook Smith he was
he was sixteen. I think he was the youngest goal
scorer for the team. Anyway, Gabrielle Sloan would riggas as well.
They've had a couple of teenagers. Look, they're playing this
afternoon actually in the Australia Cup and they beat Perth
with a bunch of bunch of kids, So you know,
maybe maybe they're onto something at Nick's HQ.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It could be. Hey, just one word on the Warriors.
I know last night was a bummer, but it was
too to be expected. But I do worry about the
run home and the game against the Dragons next week
is so pivotal because after that the Titans, Eels and Manly.
I don't I just don't think we can guarantee too much,
to expect too much. The Titans have always had our
recently had our number the Eels, Mitchell Moses, Zach Lomas,
(07:26):
you know, josh ad Okar, and then we never play
well at Brookvale. I just think this is so much
riding on this game against the Dragons next week. It's
that's going to be a blockbus bust of clash really well.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Indeed, hey, just for your comfort, the horses don't stay
at the ground text here we know one of the
owners of the Crusaders horses. They're taken in for the games.
They don't live there. They're saddled on the Addington racecourse
side of them at the moment, but only because the
race course is there. That's just pure coincidence that that
is there. So they go back to their own stables
(07:59):
at the mind.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, what about Takaha though. That's the question though, isn't it.
That's what we would need to know in the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Middle of ten. Yeah, where are they gonna how are
they gonna get there?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, it's a real issue.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
That's one of the it's one of the key issues. Hi,
great to chedis always mate. Enjoy the rest of your
weekend and we'll we'll catch up again next Sunday
Speaker 1 (08:21):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine listen live
to News Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
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