August 16, 2025 • 15 mins
Coaching expert Wayne Goldsmith recently wrote a new book, and he joined Piney to unpack its message further.
The book examines the 'myth' surrounding talent, and reveals how it negatively impacts young athletes.
Goldsmith joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine
from News talks 'b.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
By our weekend sport coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith. Regular listeners
to the show will be well aware of Wayne's wisdom.
Thanks for joining us as always, Mate, hit a new
book out, the Talent myth Why talent Isn't worth? I
won't say that word just in case broadcast standards issues arise,
but I think you get the gist. Why did you
write this one? Mate?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah? You gay, party gay everybody there.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Look over the years, there's there's two or three threads
in my professional life they get coming up is one is,
why do we assume that every kid who picks up
a rugby ball could be, should be, wants to be
in the All Blacks? And why do we assume that
every kid who jumps into a pool wants to be
(00:57):
Michael Phelps?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Why do we Why.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Is it that we associate the playing of sport and
playing is the keyword when ultimate success. It's like saying,
if you're going to take hiking, you know, take up bushwalking, Well,
none of it's any good unless you've done everest. So
that always confused me. I thought, you know, there's playing sport,
(01:21):
enjoying sport, falling in love with sport, and then there's
the elite end of sport.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
They're connected, but not for everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
The other thing that's really been a thread through my
professional life is parenting is you know, how do parents
help their kids not just be successful playing netball or
be good at cricket, but you know, how to parents
help kids just be great kids? How do they help
them with values like respect and hard work and honesty
(01:51):
and integrity. And so I'm kicking around these ideas to say,
all right, well, sport's bigger than just winning a grand
same in tennis. Parents are critical in the equation. What
I need to do is write a book that says
to parents, look, if your kid's been cut from the
elite junior development team, don't worry about it, because it's
(02:12):
bigger than that. You're helping your kids be great kids.
How do we then educate help parents deal with critical
moments like you know, the car ride home, or how
do we help parents deal with disappointment when kids have
been cut from teams.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I haven't made the success that they have to.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So I said, what I've got to do is show
that talent, and what we think of talent is there's
a myth. It's just a myth. Let's break all this
elitism stuff down and just talk about what sport's really
about and then how parents and coaches can help kids.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
As with everything you know, at a you know, in
any sport and particularly at a young age, some kids
stand out.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
They just do.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
They stand out. But that's different, isn't it from talent?
In your mind?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, it really is. Pineyan.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Look, it's funny when you start talking about this.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Everyone's got one.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Of these stories of when I was playing football, when
I used to play tennis. Everyone listening to your show,
no doubt, has got a current story or an old
story where they could say, god, you know, man, when
I was at school and I was playing under twelves netball,
there was a girl on our team.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It was two point nine meters.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Well, let's exaggerate, but there was there was a player
in our team. She could score from anywhere. She was
twice the size, twice as big, just was a dominant player.
Everyone's got a story like that. But you know, everyone's
also got the follow up story, which was, you know
(03:47):
what happened to her? She never played after she was fifteen,
you know, and everyone's got even I and you know
where one hundred years old according to the kids. But
I grew up in Sydney playing rugby league, had great
dreams of playing for the Kennry Banks Down Bulldogs. My
problem was I wasn't good enough, wasn't enough, wasn't strong enough, and.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Had no talent.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But we had a guy on our team in the
SG ball. His name was Les Sutton and at under
fifteen level kid he scored one hundred tries in a season.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
When this kid was big and strong, talk about a
man boy. He was incredible.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
But he wasn't playing at sixteen because when it really
came down to the things that matter, hard work, working
with other people, being respectful, being coachable, being consistent with
his training, all those things, he didn't have any of
those things.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
All he had was being.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else. What they said
was he was talented. The rest of us weren't, And
so all the focus became on this guy and optimizing
the physical elements of his talent. And even in the
first chapter, I used the term and you and I
talked about this before. We've got to stop worshiping physical talent,
(05:10):
it is overrated. Worshiping size, strength, speed, precocious, talented young
age is such a misleading, misguiding way to look at sport.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So then are there qualities that predict athletics succeeds better
than physical attributes?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Well, I think they are. But the and this is
the conundrum that we've got. If I get two hundred
under twelve rugby players lined up in Welly tomorrow morning,
and someone says, find me the most talented kids, the
easiest thing to do is show me how many push
ups you can physical quality, show me how fast you
(05:54):
can run forty meters acceleration, physical quality. All right, we're
going to do a how far can you run in
five minutes test? Physical quality. We're going to do how
high can you jump? Or how long can you jump?
Physical quality? We rely on those things when we're doing
talent I detalent identification programs because they're largely objective. I
(06:19):
can get kids to do a shuttle run, so you
scored six, you scored nine, Therefore you're better at shuttle runs.
You've got high VO two max. Whatever it might be.
Their objective measures. If I start saying, you know what,
I'm looking for the kid who, when they're finished their
shuttle run, turns around in cheers on everyone else, because
(06:40):
it shows selflessness, it shows team behavior, it shows that
they care about their teammates, and they really love what
they're doing. I'm looking for the kids who've got who
turn up early and do some warm up and stretching
and prepare themselves because that shows commitment, dedication, that they
love what they're doing. Those things are largely subjective, and
(07:02):
that's the whole issue that we have and why this
is such a battle for all of us in sport
is that it's hard to argue with data. And even
though I can say to a parent, look, your kid's
brilliant at ten. However, no matter what the data says,
my experience, my background, everything I know says that unless
(07:26):
you build these other qualities, these characteristics and teach them
what I call the championship choices. Unless you teach those things,
no matter what the data says, they're just not going
to be there fourteen fifteen, sixteen and certainly not seeingior athletes.
So an answer to your question, the data says this,
what I'm measuring is almost the immeasurable things. The difficult
(07:49):
to quantify things, the behaviors and attitude things, but it's interesting.
I've just got off the phone to vern Gambana. Really,
if you're in sport, if you're in track and field,
particularly or swimming, Vern's are a legend. He's a genuine
global legend United States. And I've just been working with
Summer Macintosh, who has just broken multiple world records, won
(08:14):
world championship.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Gold medals in the sport of swimming.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
She said, Canadian go and Vernon, iida, we're just talking
as two old guys do. And I've said, what are
the defining qualities of Summer? And he said, you know what.
She would get up an hour early before training to
make sure she had a good breakfast so she was ready.
And his words were, how many sixteen year olds are
doing that way? That's the sort of thing we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Piney is that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Sure, he's obviously got great physical talent because she's won
at the highest level, broke world records, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
But immediately vern who's one of the people that I
really listened to, he said, But it's who she is.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It's her commitment, it's her passion, it's her resilience.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Those things that have taken her.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Talent from just raw physical abilities and turn them into
highly successful outcomes.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And the aim of the book is.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
To say that the parents look having talent's great if
it's measurable, and yeah, great, I love that. But if
you really want to help your kids, show them how
to make difficult choices, Teach them the importance of respect
and being honest and working hard. Teach, you know, if
you're a coach, teach things like inquisitiveness, so that kids
(09:32):
go from just doing what they're told to do, the
kids going I wonder what would happen if I threw
the ball to the left instead of the right, What
would happen if I did that a bit faster?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Where you're teaching kids.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
To be engaged and really invested in their own destiny.
They're the things that matter, but they're hard to see
sometimes pinety, they're hard to quantify. And it's this data
versus non data world that we're trying to marry together.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's your right wine, it's something you and I could
talk about for hours and hours. And having the past,
this worshiping of a good talent in youngsters, Unfortunately, it
does still occur, and kids are left out of certain
teams or not make the one that they want to
make because they're told they're supposedly untalented, don't have what
it takes, that sort of thing. How do you how
(10:23):
do you boost your children? We've got thousands of parents listening.
How do you boost your children back up? What do
you say to them when they say, I don't want
to play anymore?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And I've got a section in the back of the
book where I say to take parents through the difficult
conversations that they're likely well, they're really the difficult situations
where they're going to have to have conversations or not
conversations sometimes saying nothing's just as powerful, where they're going
to run into those moments where you know, the kids
(10:53):
got pictures of silver ferns all over their wall everything,
silver ferns, have got autographs from players because they've attended
test matches and that's all they think about, and their
teen years of age and they've been cut from the
local under eleven rep team and then and they're devastated.
You know, they're for them, it's the end of the world.
(11:15):
It's it's and it's it's they're feeling such powerful emotions
of frustration, disappointment, anger, maybe anger at themselves or anger
at the coach you didn't select them, and all that's
going on, their mom and dadd are going, God, I
love this child.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I want to help them.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
What do I say at this moment in time that's
that's got some sort of value other than some sort
of you know, glib off end comment like I'd say, kay, darling,
it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, of course it matters. It really matters to them
at that moment.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And that's when your solid gold parenting has got to
come out of the box and go, what do I
say to my child who's been cut or has missed out,
or in their view, has failed at that moment of
time when I'm hurting as much as they are, and
I can't show them that I've hurting. So the first
advice I give to parents is, first of all, allow
(12:06):
them to feel. Don't be tempted to jump in and
see the anger and hurt and say stop it, don't
feel just move on. Because we're human beings.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
We've got to allow ourselves to experience.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
To a degree, we're going to allow ourselves to experience
whatever for that moment, but then.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
For the child to go.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You know what, it doesn't matter if I got selected
or not, or I got cut or not. My mum,
my dad, my brothers, my sisters, my nan you know what.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
They love me no matter what. They're always there.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I've just failed to achieve something that's important to me,
but it doesn't matter to them.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
They love me.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
They show kindness, they respect, they listen to me. They're
there for me no matter what happens. That's the most
powerful thing you can do as a parent, because I
think what parents do Piony in that moment they want
to call over parents is they start to play the
role of coach. Psychologists, psychiatry counsel are everything they wanted
(13:09):
to trying to remove the pain.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And the hurt the childs early in that moment in time.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
What I know working with a lot of psychologists on
my team is allow them to feel and to just
go through a period of feeling anger and frustration, but
then to look at you and go, my mum and
dad are brothers and sisters, m nanmgranted, my coach.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
They stand by me no matter what happens.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
What I get from them is consistency I get from
them support, unconditional love that then gives them the courage
and base and the strength to go, Yeah, okay, I'll
get up and go again.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Because that's in the end, that's what we want.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
We don't want them to go through life trying to
avoid all experiences of trying something and failing, because it's
going to happen to all of us.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's happened. But we want them to go. You know what,
if I fail, I get up and go and again.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Christ, the people who matter in my life are always
there for me and for the parents listening that moment.
That's really what parenting is about. Is your child is hurting,
is struggling and going. But look at those two people,
that person standing there.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
God, they just love me. No matter what, I'm going
to do it again.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
If I fail again, the things that matter to me
are really still there. If you can do that as
a parent, you've done an amazing job.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just a snapshot of the incredible advice that you'll find
in Wayne Goldsmith's latest book, The Talent Myth, Why Talent
Isn't Worth And I think you can complete the title.
It's available on Amazon dot Com right now. Wayne thanks
so much for joining us and giving us the benefit
of your expertise. As always, congrats on this book, mate.
We'll catch up again so well.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
If there's anyone in this industry that's talented at you Piney.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
We both know that.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You know I should write a book one day called
The Talent Unmith, the Jason Pinestory.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'm not sure you'd sell many, but it's always it's
always good to catch up, my friend.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Thank you, right, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Thank you Wayne Wayne Goldsmith there joining us in a
semi regular, in fact pretty regular fashion year on Weekend Sport.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
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You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine
from News talks 'b.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
By our weekend sport coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith. Regular listeners
to the show will be well aware of Wayne's wisdom.
Thanks for joining us as always, Mate, hit a new
book out, the Talent myth Why talent Isn't worth? I
won't say that word just in case broadcast standards issues arise,
but I think you get the gist. Why did you
write this one? Mate?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah? You gay, party gay everybody there.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Look over the years, there's there's two or three threads
in my professional life they get coming up is one is,
why do we assume that every kid who picks up
a rugby ball could be, should be, wants to be
in the All Blacks? And why do we assume that
every kid who jumps into a pool wants to be
(00:57):
Michael Phelps?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Why do we Why.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Is it that we associate the playing of sport and
playing is the keyword when ultimate success. It's like saying,
if you're going to take hiking, you know, take up bushwalking, Well,
none of it's any good unless you've done everest. So
that always confused me. I thought, you know, there's playing sport,
(01:21):
enjoying sport, falling in love with sport, and then there's
the elite end of sport.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
They're connected, but not for everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
The other thing that's really been a thread through my
professional life is parenting is you know, how do parents
help their kids not just be successful playing netball or
be good at cricket, but you know, how to parents
help kids just be great kids? How do they help
them with values like respect and hard work and honesty
(01:51):
and integrity. And so I'm kicking around these ideas to say,
all right, well, sport's bigger than just winning a grand
same in tennis. Parents are critical in the equation. What
I need to do is write a book that says
to parents, look, if your kid's been cut from the
elite junior development team, don't worry about it, because it's
(02:12):
bigger than that. You're helping your kids be great kids.
How do we then educate help parents deal with critical
moments like you know, the car ride home, or how
do we help parents deal with disappointment when kids have
been cut from teams.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I haven't made the success that they have to.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So I said, what I've got to do is show
that talent, and what we think of talent is there's
a myth. It's just a myth. Let's break all this
elitism stuff down and just talk about what sport's really
about and then how parents and coaches can help kids.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
As with everything you know, at a you know, in
any sport and particularly at a young age, some kids
stand out.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
They just do.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
They stand out. But that's different, isn't it from talent?
In your mind?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, it really is. Pineyan.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Look, it's funny when you start talking about this.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Everyone's got one.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Of these stories of when I was playing football, when
I used to play tennis. Everyone listening to your show,
no doubt, has got a current story or an old
story where they could say, god, you know, man, when
I was at school and I was playing under twelves netball,
there was a girl on our team.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It was two point nine meters.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Well, let's exaggerate, but there was there was a player
in our team. She could score from anywhere. She was
twice the size, twice as big, just was a dominant player.
Everyone's got a story like that. But you know, everyone's
also got the follow up story, which was, you know
(03:47):
what happened to her? She never played after she was fifteen,
you know, and everyone's got even I and you know
where one hundred years old according to the kids. But
I grew up in Sydney playing rugby league, had great
dreams of playing for the Kennry Banks Down Bulldogs. My
problem was I wasn't good enough, wasn't enough, wasn't strong enough, and.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Had no talent.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But we had a guy on our team in the
SG ball. His name was Les Sutton and at under
fifteen level kid he scored one hundred tries in a season.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
When this kid was big and strong, talk about a
man boy. He was incredible.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
But he wasn't playing at sixteen because when it really
came down to the things that matter, hard work, working
with other people, being respectful, being coachable, being consistent with
his training, all those things, he didn't have any of
those things.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
All he had was being.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else. What they said
was he was talented. The rest of us weren't, And
so all the focus became on this guy and optimizing
the physical elements of his talent. And even in the
first chapter, I used the term and you and I
talked about this before. We've got to stop worshiping physical talent,
(05:10):
it is overrated. Worshiping size, strength, speed, precocious, talented young
age is such a misleading, misguiding way to look at sport.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So then are there qualities that predict athletics succeeds better
than physical attributes?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Well, I think they are. But the and this is
the conundrum that we've got. If I get two hundred
under twelve rugby players lined up in Welly tomorrow morning,
and someone says, find me the most talented kids, the
easiest thing to do is show me how many push
ups you can physical quality, show me how fast you
(05:54):
can run forty meters acceleration, physical quality. All right, we're
going to do a how far can you run in
five minutes test? Physical quality. We're going to do how
high can you jump? Or how long can you jump?
Physical quality? We rely on those things when we're doing
talent I detalent identification programs because they're largely objective. I
(06:19):
can get kids to do a shuttle run, so you
scored six, you scored nine, Therefore you're better at shuttle runs.
You've got high VO two max. Whatever it might be.
Their objective measures. If I start saying, you know what,
I'm looking for the kid who, when they're finished their
shuttle run, turns around in cheers on everyone else, because
(06:40):
it shows selflessness, it shows team behavior, it shows that
they care about their teammates, and they really love what
they're doing. I'm looking for the kids who've got who
turn up early and do some warm up and stretching
and prepare themselves because that shows commitment, dedication, that they
love what they're doing. Those things are largely subjective, and
(07:02):
that's the whole issue that we have and why this
is such a battle for all of us in sport
is that it's hard to argue with data. And even
though I can say to a parent, look, your kid's
brilliant at ten. However, no matter what the data says,
my experience, my background, everything I know says that unless
(07:26):
you build these other qualities, these characteristics and teach them
what I call the championship choices. Unless you teach those things,
no matter what the data says, they're just not going
to be there fourteen fifteen, sixteen and certainly not seeingior athletes.
So an answer to your question, the data says this,
what I'm measuring is almost the immeasurable things. The difficult
(07:49):
to quantify things, the behaviors and attitude things, but it's interesting.
I've just got off the phone to vern Gambana. Really,
if you're in sport, if you're in track and field,
particularly or swimming, Vern's are a legend. He's a genuine
global legend United States. And I've just been working with
Summer Macintosh, who has just broken multiple world records, won
(08:14):
world championship.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Gold medals in the sport of swimming.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
She said, Canadian go and Vernon, iida, we're just talking
as two old guys do. And I've said, what are
the defining qualities of Summer? And he said, you know what.
She would get up an hour early before training to
make sure she had a good breakfast so she was ready.
And his words were, how many sixteen year olds are
doing that way? That's the sort of thing we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Piney is that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Sure, he's obviously got great physical talent because she's won
at the highest level, broke world records, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
But immediately vern who's one of the people that I
really listened to, he said, But it's who she is.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It's her commitment, it's her passion, it's her resilience.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Those things that have taken her.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Talent from just raw physical abilities and turn them into
highly successful outcomes.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And the aim of the book is.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
To say that the parents look having talent's great if
it's measurable, and yeah, great, I love that. But if
you really want to help your kids, show them how
to make difficult choices, Teach them the importance of respect
and being honest and working hard. Teach, you know, if
you're a coach, teach things like inquisitiveness, so that kids
(09:32):
go from just doing what they're told to do, the
kids going I wonder what would happen if I threw
the ball to the left instead of the right, What
would happen if I did that a bit faster?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Where you're teaching kids.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
To be engaged and really invested in their own destiny.
They're the things that matter, but they're hard to see
sometimes pinety, they're hard to quantify. And it's this data
versus non data world that we're trying to marry together.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's your right wine, it's something you and I could
talk about for hours and hours. And having the past,
this worshiping of a good talent in youngsters, Unfortunately, it
does still occur, and kids are left out of certain
teams or not make the one that they want to
make because they're told they're supposedly untalented, don't have what
it takes, that sort of thing. How do you how
(10:23):
do you boost your children? We've got thousands of parents listening.
How do you boost your children back up? What do
you say to them when they say, I don't want
to play anymore?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And I've got a section in the back of the
book where I say to take parents through the difficult
conversations that they're likely well, they're really the difficult situations
where they're going to have to have conversations or not
conversations sometimes saying nothing's just as powerful, where they're going
to run into those moments where you know, the kids
(10:53):
got pictures of silver ferns all over their wall everything,
silver ferns, have got autographs from players because they've attended
test matches and that's all they think about, and their
teen years of age and they've been cut from the
local under eleven rep team and then and they're devastated.
You know, they're for them, it's the end of the world.
(11:15):
It's it's and it's it's they're feeling such powerful emotions
of frustration, disappointment, anger, maybe anger at themselves or anger
at the coach you didn't select them, and all that's
going on, their mom and dadd are going, God, I
love this child.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I want to help them.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
What do I say at this moment in time that's
that's got some sort of value other than some sort
of you know, glib off end comment like I'd say, kay, darling,
it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, of course it matters. It really matters to them
at that moment.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And that's when your solid gold parenting has got to
come out of the box and go, what do I
say to my child who's been cut or has missed out,
or in their view, has failed at that moment of
time when I'm hurting as much as they are, and
I can't show them that I've hurting. So the first
advice I give to parents is, first of all, allow
(12:06):
them to feel. Don't be tempted to jump in and
see the anger and hurt and say stop it, don't
feel just move on. Because we're human beings.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
We've got to allow ourselves to experience.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
To a degree, we're going to allow ourselves to experience
whatever for that moment, but then.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
For the child to go.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You know what, it doesn't matter if I got selected
or not, or I got cut or not. My mum,
my dad, my brothers, my sisters, my nan you know what.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
They love me no matter what. They're always there.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I've just failed to achieve something that's important to me,
but it doesn't matter to them.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
They love me.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
They show kindness, they respect, they listen to me. They're
there for me no matter what happens. That's the most
powerful thing you can do as a parent, because I
think what parents do Piony in that moment they want
to call over parents is they start to play the
role of coach. Psychologists, psychiatry counsel are everything they wanted
(13:09):
to trying to remove the pain.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And the hurt the childs early in that moment in time.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
What I know working with a lot of psychologists on
my team is allow them to feel and to just
go through a period of feeling anger and frustration, but
then to look at you and go, my mum and
dad are brothers and sisters, m nanmgranted, my coach.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
They stand by me no matter what happens.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
What I get from them is consistency I get from
them support, unconditional love that then gives them the courage
and base and the strength to go, Yeah, okay, I'll
get up and go again.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Because that's in the end, that's what we want.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
We don't want them to go through life trying to
avoid all experiences of trying something and failing, because it's
going to happen to all of us.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's happened. But we want them to go. You know what,
if I fail, I get up and go and again.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Christ, the people who matter in my life are always
there for me and for the parents listening that moment.
That's really what parenting is about. Is your child is hurting,
is struggling and going. But look at those two people,
that person standing there.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
God, they just love me. No matter what, I'm going
to do it again.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
If I fail again, the things that matter to me
are really still there. If you can do that as
a parent, you've done an amazing job.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just a snapshot of the incredible advice that you'll find
in Wayne Goldsmith's latest book, The Talent Myth, Why Talent
Isn't Worth And I think you can complete the title.
It's available on Amazon dot Com right now. Wayne thanks
so much for joining us and giving us the benefit
of your expertise. As always, congrats on this book, mate.
We'll catch up again so well.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
If there's anyone in this industry that's talented at you Piney.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
We both know that.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You know I should write a book one day called
The Talent Unmith, the Jason Pinestory.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'm not sure you'd sell many, but it's always it's
always good to catch up, my friend.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Thank you, right, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Thank you Wayne Wayne Goldsmith there joining us in a
semi regular, in fact pretty regular fashion year on Weekend Sport.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
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