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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Big names, the big issues, the big controversies and the
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello there, Kyota, good afternoon and welcome into the Weekend
Sport Therapy session for Sunday, September fourteenth. Thank goodness for
the Black Ferns.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Second half excellence in Exeter, What sport? The Black Ferns
semifinal bound at the Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Are shining lights and a pretty miserable night of sports viewing. First,
this shall be the final.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Play Tendre take it in and the Penrith Panthers. He
turn to Auckland. A proven why they are the back
to back to back to back champions. They have won
little elimination final, they have beaten the Warriors. Heir in Auckland,

(01:18):
twenty four toys to wait and then this he boots.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
That enter touch and a thoroughly embarrassing night for the
All Blacks, but a wonderful night forced South Africa. They
have demolished the All Blacks they have humiliated the All
Blacks forty three ten.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Ryan is standing by the
talk with us. Then your reaction to what happened last
night in Wellington. Lines open immediately and right across the afternoon.
We're going to cover off the Blackburns after two with
World Cup winner in twenty seventeen Christina Sue, who was
part of the commentary team last night. They're into the semis.
They'll play Canada next Saturday morning six o'clock. Warriors assistant

(01:58):
coach Slade Griffin with us later on as well to
reflect on the team's season and their exits from the
final series last night. James mcconey and his regular slot,
but a live sport this afternoon as well, but the
show is yours to a large extent. Lines open on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
for your text messages emails to Jason at Newstalk SEDB

(02:20):
dot co dot NZ eight past midday.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every fields
weekend sport with Jason Pine, News Talk.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
ZMB two minutes of sport, You're to endure thirty six
ten spring box lead ball in midfield, so they want
another one live Bok now for Villimsa down the left
hand side of the park, Willimser squirming through now finding
Williams cutting shapes off loading Hester Hazen. They're going to
score another forty.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
One ten.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Kip to come.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
It's the box ever, biggest ever went over the All.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Blacks South Africa forty three All Blacks ten All Blacks
Assistant coach Jason Ryan is with us. What happened?

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Yeah, disappointing. We just basically lost all our momentum.

Speaker 8 (03:13):
We Yeah, we had a bit of a.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Meltdown and a couple of decisions under pressure and just
couldn't get any rhythm and they got away in.

Speaker 8 (03:23):
That second half.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
And yeah, we've got to take a pretty hard look
at ourselves, to be honest. Yeah, I think we, uh,
you know, we lost a little bit of momentum and
timing and our set piece as well. That's that's on me.
I'll take responsibility for that. We missed a couple of
couple of lineouts at key times where the scrum was.

(03:46):
I think the scrum count was they won three penalties,
we won, we won two, So that was they got
a head there in one. So yeah, I'll just take
four responsibility for my air and the set piece. We've
got to have a real hard look at ourselves in
that part of our game because we pride ourselves on
that and we just went up to to par last night.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
How did the performance deteriorate so much compared to last week.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's a great question. Look, i haven't looked
at all of the game yet. I've only got to
just after halftime. I thought we played some more some rugby,
and the ball and hand in the first forty was
right on, and then you know, halftime, the boys felt
fresh and we just yeah that we just made era

(04:36):
after era and then some when we did win some lineouts,
I thought our kicking was not good enough and we
lost the aerial battle and we pretty much lost everything,
to be fair, So when we review that deeply, we've
got to make some adjustment adjustments pretty quick. We put
we put a lot into that dismatch. We put we

(04:59):
thought we had a great week in preparation. We you know,
we talked a lot around the week before, earlier in
the week and getting getting a mental side right. It
wasn't so much performing the putting together the same performance
as Eden Park, but it was getting there to the
same mental performance, and I just don't think we were there.

(05:22):
I think everyone could have seen that that last half
we just didn't come out of the blocks and we
didn't get any rhythm up. I can't really explain any
simply that, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, and how do you explain that that in the
second half it just all fell apart so spectacularly.

Speaker 9 (05:40):
It did.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
We missed I think forty odd tackles or forty plus tackles.
It was pretty much every part of our game just misfunctioned.
The box got a roll on, they played smart, and
to be honest, gave us a lesson.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Do you think some players gave up near the end?

Speaker 8 (06:01):
I wouldn't like to say that.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
I hope that wasn't the case on these boys year. Look,
I know that the performance doesn't look like that. That
there was much kere shown, but where we just couldn't
get clear, get our hands on the ball, where we did,
we lost it and we just, yeah, we just weren't
there under pressure when it' matter. I can't put it
any simpler than that. We'll take full responsibility for that

(06:24):
as a forwards coach and we've got. We've got to
front up and be better, a lot better moving forward.

Speaker 8 (06:30):
We know that we have to be.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Now, do you expect to face scrutiny after this?

Speaker 8 (06:37):
Yep, and we should.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
What do you think the things that will be worrying
all Black fans the most today will be.

Speaker 8 (06:47):
Probably everything that I've covered.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
You know, we've got the ownership part of areas of
big rocks of our game and the executing basic skill
sets under pressure. I've pretty much just covered and I
think we've got every right to copy it with that performance,
and we can't hide from that.

Speaker 8 (07:08):
I know we won't be either.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
How has the aerial battle become so challenging for the
All Blacks?

Speaker 8 (07:16):
Yeah, it's look at it. I think it's challenging. And
when you look at all of the games.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
If I just identify the Rugby Championship, the teams that
win the aerial battle often win the test match and
the scores they are quite high score games, like you
know Australia put what thirty eight points on the spring
blocks at elf.

Speaker 8 (07:37):
Park and the area or battle was good over there.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
So it's it's fighting lines between I think when we kick,
how we kick and that retention of getting it back.
That's changed the most, obviously with the escorting laws and
that sort of thing. It's a in all honesty, it's
a fifty to fifty when that ball's in the air.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Why then, aren't we winning more of the fifty fifties?

Speaker 8 (08:03):
Why are we winning more of the fifty fifties?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah? I mean, if it's fIF we should win half
of them, shouldn't we.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
Yeah, well we did the week before we won most
of them.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
This just last night we didn't.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Are you getting what you need from your on field leaders.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
At times? You know, I think that they will have
a look at that as well. When we're calling our.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Strapped and what calls are made at the right time
in the moment, I think that, you know, there'll be
some good ic conversations there.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
There have to be. But everything starts from the coaching group.
We lead it.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
We give them the information that they have to execute.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
So, like I said, I'm only talking about my area.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
I'll take ownership for the set piece side of it,
and it's got to be better on me.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, But I don't think Jason, you can take responsibility
for a line out at sixty minutes says seventeen to
ten down, new hooker on the field who hasn't a
lot of All Blacks experience and the throw goes to
the back. You can't take responsibility for that, can you.
That's an on field decision.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
It is an on flod decision, and that decision there
could have been a couple of different options that could
have been taken ahead of that one. Yep, there could
have been and you know, like that line out, we've
got three or four calls that we could have gone to.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
And yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Agree with you, Scott Robertson said after the game last night.
In order to fix this, you have to be clear
about what matters most on and off the field. You
can't go chasing a whole bunch of stuff. What do
you think the really key things are for the next
ten to twelve days ahead of the first let us
low test.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
Well, we've got to address our performing under pressure and
obviously the moments that shift in this game so quick,
like you know, I was still in the Felix Joanes
after the game, he said, cheers on Colby doesn't get
that into sept It's a different ball game, you know,
and then that's a different score line, and then that's
pressure on them realeds he did get it and then

(10:01):
that probably shifted the momentum as well. So look, we've
got to secure the ball, going to look after the
ball better than what we have been and address the
decisions we're making at key times.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
You'll be very open and honest during this chat, jas
Is that the feeling that permeates throughout the team as well?

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Yep, yep, it is. In honesty, Jason Lot, you just
can't hide. And you know I've been in teams. I've
been in probably the All Blacks as well, and that
taking them test a few years ago and they gave
us a decent toil up then. So it's how we
react from it. We were well off par they played well,

(10:44):
but we have to be a lot better. We have
to look at ourselves really hard, and that that starts.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
From the coaches group.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
I know for myself first and foremost, because I'm responsible.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Thanks for your time this afternoon, Jase, I appreciate it
very much. Jason Ryan, assistant coach of the All Blacks.
Time now for your reaction lines open, oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. First things, first, congratulations to South
Africa wat a performance and in particular, the second half
as good are forty minutes as I can remember from
any team on our shores. Maybe ever, they were on
another level and the All Blacks simply had no answers.

(11:18):
And we all know that sometimes you just get beaten
by a better team, right, that happens, and no team
in the world would have lived with the spring Box
last night. But the major concern was the manner of
the defeat. It was a second half capitulation. There is
no other way to describe it. Thirty six unanswered points. Now,

(11:40):
the word capitulation does not be long in the same
sentence as the All Blacks. As I say, sometimes another
team just as a worldie, and that's what the Springbox
did after halftime. But but the base level required by
the Black Jersey is that you play until the end.
And as the points mounted last night, I looked very
much to me from the sideline as though some of

(12:02):
the men in Black had given up, like they just
wanted to get down the tunnel and get out of there.
We are constantly told by those in the All Blacks
environment that the Black Jersey demands excellence, and that's what
the legacy of this team is built on. Care for
the jersey, awareness of its history, a desire to enhance
it while you are in possession of it. Very few

(12:25):
players enhanced that Jersey last night. If we're looking for
a shred of consolation from this, we can perhaps get
it from what happened at Albany in twenty seventeen. The
All Blacks beats South Africa fifty seven nil that night.
Two years later South Africa were World champions, and four
years after that they were World champions again. The All
Blacks simply must use last night as fuel. Those guys

(12:49):
have to remember what last night felt like and allow
it to drive them on to make sure that they
never ever, ever ever have that feeling again when.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's down to the line. If you made a call
on eight hundred eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Calls tacking up, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
let's get underway, Bruce high mate.

Speaker 10 (13:12):
Yeah, but afternoon, Jason, thanks for taking the call. I
just watched that game and I thought that that's how
the All Blacks used to play back in the day
of in the good old days, and we won the
first World Cup, and in my pedigree, I went back
in the eighties, seventies, eighties and nineties, I was heavily
involved in schoolboy rugby vers fufteen rugby and the development

(13:35):
communication position, getting into space and freeing up, putting a
player in space. And one thing we were very careful
about this Tuday now leaders and there's nothing wrong with
the players, I believe from my perspective as a coach
and someone that's sort of I don't watch much. We
don't watch brutettle rugby now on TV. I watched the tests.

(13:57):
But to me from the ground, it is a leadership
problem on the field. You know, we've lost the buck
shelters short Fitzpatrick's I remember bucksh often Munster a graveyard
midweek Grunster. He's the Munster Pack were about to roll us.
And he stood up and he whacked one of their players,
and he said to the guys, you know, pull it together.

(14:18):
It's you know you hit on at the end of
that interview. It's an on field leadership problem. You know,
let's not paralysize ourselves by analysis purely and sent me
from my perspective, Jason, a leader on the field would
have stood up and read the riot.

Speaker 11 (14:34):
Actor's forwards and said you know, this.

Speaker 12 (14:37):
Is the black jersey.

Speaker 10 (14:38):
Those guys they brought shame to that jersey last night.
That's a hard thing to say, but they did. They
brought shame to the all Black jersey. And I believe
it's purely because we don't have the onfield leadership and
simply we don't have the superstars. We don't have the
guys that can put their head up. We don't have
the guys that people are going watch and play, you know,

(15:00):
like we used to have the Buck Shelf and Sir
Sean Fitzpatrick's, the Frank Munsters, the Grant Fox, you know,
the Don Clarks. We don't have those players anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, I think we have some most of First, I
think we have. I think the way I always look
at this is which all Black makes and makes a
World fifteen right now. And I think you have a
couple of candidates. I think Artie Severe and Will Jordan are.
In that conversation came Roy Gard as well, although he
wasn't there last night. But your point stands. Your point
stands and looks. I think the deeper issue here is

(15:31):
the wave of South African attack that was just unable
to be to be stemmed last night. You're right on field.
Somebody has to say, guys, this is not us, this
is not the black jersey. We have to stop this
and look at the game's gone, right, the game's gone.
Probably at twenty four to ten, right, it's probably gone.

(15:53):
At this stage, you're chasing the game. At the very least,
you're really chasing it, so you're leaving yourself open. But
when those tries flowed at the end, you know, Couggasmith's try,
Snowman's try the try right at the end, you know
it's guys, I've watched this back. Guys weren't even chasing

(16:13):
back anymore, you know, And br sorry, matter, I've got
a bunch of calls to get to. You've kicked us
off really well. The leadership on field, I think is
a thing. And I said that to Jason Ryan. That
decision on the sixty minute mark to throw to the
back of the lineout was a specific example of bad

(16:35):
on field leadership. You're seventeen to ten down, you're defending
a line out on your own line. You've got a
rookie hooker who's come on in just a second test.
You know South Africa are going to compete throw it
to the front of the line out, Scott Barrett, go
to the front of the line out and call it
to yourself. Instead, they danced up and down, tried to

(16:57):
do some misdirection. Brody McAllister himself looked confused at to
what the plan was. Threw it in South Africa.

Speaker 13 (17:03):
Get it.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
They score a try twenty four ten and that is
when the game changed. Bruce, thanks for your cool, mate,
I appreciate it. James High Hello, James, James, I'm gonna
put you back on hold. You're our signal store. Good mate.
We'll try and get your back.

Speaker 14 (17:22):
Murray Hi, Oh thanks Hi.

Speaker 15 (17:25):
I wasn't quite ready for that. Yeah, what a game.
My main concern after last week, which is which is
also a met of Titans struggle almost you know, we
came out on top, but I think that we lost
because we were tired. I think our key players, they're

(17:48):
all mid late career or end of career players. They're
great players. But I was worried that we would be
putting the same key player back on the park, in
our same key players to do eighty minutes. There's one
hundred and sixty minutes of rugby. We're placed out here
for here, you have a lot of depths.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, and that was proven by Rare, that was proven
Murray by Raci Erasmus's team selection. You're right, But I'm sorry, mate,
I'm not I'm not buying that elite rugby players can't
play back to back tough test matches. I'm sorry, I'm
not buying. I'm not buying that. And the age thing,
you say, Look, no, I'm going to let you carry on.
But look the age thing as well. I look at
that team and you're right. There are some guys there
back end of their career, but others are not. There

(18:31):
are some young guns in there as well, and you
know so T. T. Parker Hotham, although he got injured
of course, Billy Propter. It's not a team of aging veterans.
And even if it was, they still they still have
a have a responsibility to get up for I mean,
if you want to win a World Cup, you've got
to win three in a row.

Speaker 15 (18:48):
Yes, now, okay, I'll just reply for that. They are
great pads. I'm not saying that in the dispiriting way
at the end of career. I'm saying the recovery time TEAMIFA,
which can't put a new, fresh team on the park,
a quality team on the park. There recovery times, burdens
bear it long enough.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
We didn't we didn't see.

Speaker 15 (19:12):
Yesterday, do we last?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
No, no, no, and a number of them. Yeah, Murray,
I get the comparison you're making. I absolutely get the
comparison you're making the likes of Andre Pollard, Jesse Kreil,
Willie LaRue and others. It's it's a Beth didn't play
last night. Rassi has got the depth to bring in
players who you know, they've got better depth than us
at the moment. I think that's obvious now, even when

(19:34):
they lost three of their guys last night in the
first half. You know the numbers one to twenty three.

Speaker 15 (19:38):
You know, it's all that recovery time. Grand Slam Tennis players,
the big players do not play every tournament. Djokovic does
not thirty seven. He's not going to go out next
week and play some tournament out of the deck of
God knows. We're right. He peaks at the right time,
and we need to bring our players, our key players,
you know, full those big games. But you can't fit

(19:58):
in the front up week and week out, not against
teams like South Africa.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
It's a depth it's a depth argument that you're making, Murray,
and it's a very valid one. Thanks for called twelve
twenty six or eight hundred and eighty ten eighty just
before we move a lot of texts through asking why
we had Jason Ryan on and not Scott Robertson. Scott
Robertson has fronted the media today at the airport. We'll
have some of those audio clips across the afternoon. The

(20:23):
arrangement we have with the All Blacks is that they
provide us with an assistant coach the following day for
the show. So it's not that Scott Robertson didn't want
to front or anything like that. In fact, as I
understand it, he doesn't normally do the Sunday one either
at the airport, but he has today turned up and
done the Sunday one. So there's nothing to see here

(20:45):
as far as coaches being unavailable. Just wanted to make
that point in response to a few of our texts, Murray,
Thanks for your call.

Speaker 11 (20:54):
Mark.

Speaker 16 (20:54):
Hey, hey Bini, Yeah, I sort of agree with a
little bit with your last score. I think that the
fact that the Argentinian game sort of almost took on
a similar in the in the second ten there. I
don't think the All Blacks were anywhere.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
There is good in the.

Speaker 16 (21:08):
Second game, and I think it comes back to one.
I think the coaching system of Russi is superior to ours.
I think they've got a much better stock of players.
I mean you've also got to consider they've got a
population of sixty million compared to five million, and I
think that that's working and it's and with the with

(21:29):
the generations of black players coming into Africa, it's given
them way more options and way more depth than they
ever have had before. And to me, that's the key
going forward. He could put on almost like a new
team last night. And I mean he changed up the
bomb squad. He's very sophisticated and the way he brings

(21:50):
on players looks at the game happening in front of
him and makes choices to what's going. You know, he
brought on a couple of front rowers. I think two
minutes into the second half, everyone's going, what's he doing?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, and then he wonted for the first rum. I
think he waited for the first drum mark and then
send it and I had at the clock. It was
seventy seconds into the second half. He's clearly he said, okay,
the first time we get a scrum on, you go,
and then it was either that one or the one
after they monstered us, and that led to led to
a try which which you know was at the turning point.

(22:21):
I don't know, but it was certainly a major point
in that game. And you're right, Mark. You know, at
the time I thought, why isn't he just put them
on at a half time? But it's almost like a
show of force, isn't it. You see these two guys
coming on during you know, as the game is ongoing,
you think, man, this guy he comes too big boppers.

Speaker 16 (22:39):
Yeah, And I think, to me, looking at it, you've
got to admire the guys genius in the system he's
put in place. That's not just one game he's trialing.
He's putting them players. He has trusting these players. They
certainly had the talent these players. You know, sometimes the
person there bringing on in their second teams better than
the first. You know, Quager Smith is just an outstanding

(23:02):
player to bring on. And the players are bringing on
are at equal, not better than their starting players. And
to me, you've got to admire Rassi's coaching ability, and
I think it's another And I think in history, I've
always thought, no matter what our playing squad, we've almost
always had the best coaches. And I just don't think
we can say that now. I think we're getting out

(23:23):
coached and outplayed and outthought in every aspect of the game.
And I think your interview with the Ryan really showed
that in that second half. I do think the All
Blacks look tired, but I think they were outplayed in
just about every aspect of the game too.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
And they were in sorry, Mark, in the second half.
You're right, they were in every aspect. There was not
a shred of positivity in the second half. First half
they were okay, Actually try to run up now, I
try to leroy cart up at the second half. That's
what we remember from ten to seven ahead to forty
three to ten on the scoreboard. Look, public speaking is

(23:59):
not everyone strong. So can we just transition across to
the Scott Barrett thing just for a second, because there's
a lot of feedback coming through about US match interview.
Public speaking isn't everybody strong, suit, and not every captain.
Just a few minutes after the final whistle can articulate
their thoughts eloquently. Scott Barrett's clearly hugely respected within that team,

(24:20):
but all Blacks fans probably need a bit more from
him after defeats. It's natural to compare him to others
and say that guy speaks a lot better than this
one does. But that's not a reason to change your captain.
What does deserve scrutiny, as I say, is some of
the on field decision making the line out I just
talked about. That is a failure of on field leadership.

(24:42):
That one. It's a bad decision, a bad decision, and
hindsight will show you the consequences of that bad decision
a key moment in that game. All Blacks talk about
winning moments, didn't win that moment, lost that moment, and
it turned out to be a turning point twenty nine
away from one. I was going to say, the spear line,
they're filling up pretty quickly. Oh eight hundred and eighty,

(25:03):
ten to eighty. We'll try and get as many on
there as we can.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
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Speaker 2 (25:16):
That'd be twenty six to one. His razor from a
short time ago was this good enough? We owned it
as a group.

Speaker 17 (25:22):
We got to a point where we paid some great
rugby and then we let them get away with that execution.
Wasn't good enough to start the second half? Person we
expect of ourselves.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Let's go back to the lines. Carlton, Hello, Hello.

Speaker 18 (25:36):
I don't put much stock into the age thing for
the All Blacks because you look back at the twenty
fifteen World Cup and half their players were all in
their thirties as well, so you know, it's a blessing
to have the you know, experience at that age and
the team and I just seemed like the players EI.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I don't buy I don't. I mean, that was
the point put forward earlier about the you know, I
guess the age of some of our players. I don't
buy it either, Carlton. It's all all success. All teams
have that mix of youth and experience, and well, Ba
barras one of the fittest guy's going around. I think
he's the oldest on the team. He's one of the
fittest guys going around, So I don't buy the argument

(26:15):
about that.

Speaker 18 (26:16):
I was watching the South African back line and it
had Tiny Brown's imprint all over it. Like some of
the things that are pulling off is some stuff we
used to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, up until the I
think the interstip from Chips and Kobe, we were in
that game, and then after that they just went out

(26:38):
of the sales.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, and even Jason Ryan said that, he said, look,
if Kolby doesn't make that intercept, there's a two men
overlap for the All Blacks and all of a sudden,
it's a different story. But those are effs and butts
and maybies. It did happen, and I've watched that back
and Colby does it brilliantly. He fakes to go out,
he fakes to go one way, Billy Proctor buys that dummy,

(27:01):
throws the pass and Kolby's got it and he's away,
he's not catching him. Terrific play, chisling Colby. By the way, John, Hi, yeah, Hi.

Speaker 19 (27:10):
There, and the listeners, well, I'm going to say, wow,
we that was the most wonderfulest game I've seen for
a very long time, and well done to the South
Africans just absolutely fitness the manner around themselves. The All

(27:33):
Blacks looked very tired the fudge. We've got a good
old saying of bugger. Well, there's a big bugger there
and they need to get back for what the South
Africa had. They had a bit of a good old mongrel.
Can I say that word? I already said it.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
No, Well, John, I think it's probably at the low
end of words that some people want to use today.
You're right, though, they reacted South Africa to what happened
last week. Yes, they were deeply disappointed in their lost
last week, albeit a narrow one. They worked out where
they'd gone wrong. They righted those wrongs and now it's
incumbent on the All Blacks coaches and players to do

(28:14):
the same. The Black Jersey demands a response. It demands
a response, and in a fortnight from now we're going
to see what that response is. But they need to
be spending every waking hour between now and when the
team gets back into camp, and when the team is
back in camp working out how to put this right.

Speaker 19 (28:33):
Well done, well said, Okay, that yeah, thank you for that.

Speaker 13 (28:37):
That.

Speaker 19 (28:37):
Yeah, you're right on the mark.

Speaker 14 (28:39):
But I enjoyed it.

Speaker 19 (28:41):
Absolutely. That was right up to the best of my eyes.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Oh John, it was a superb performance from South Africa.
Jeep as if you're a neutral and if you're a
South African, absolutely brilliant performance. No team lives with South
Africa playing like that last night, No team. I don't
get her it is. But as I said, it was
a manner of the defeat except being beaten by a

(29:07):
better side. If you've given you all and if you
know things, there are green shoots of promise. But even me,
and I'm a pretty positive guy, I tend to look
at things through a positive lens. Hard to find too
many from last night. Thanks John Janey.

Speaker 13 (29:23):
Hi, Yeah, Hi, nice.

Speaker 20 (29:25):
To talk to you.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Nice to talk to you.

Speaker 20 (29:28):
Yeah, thank you. No, I think the coaching staff all
need look at especially BedHead guy. He hasn't done anything
for anyone to write home about. Look at last week.
Look who they had called in, Graham, Henry and Wayne.
Who was the other coach's name was Wayne?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
It was Wayne Smith who come in Yet I don't
think I think so. Graham might have come in for
a bit of a chat. Wayne Smith was there for
the whole week, and that clearly made a difference. Yeah,
I wonder I wonder whether he needs to perhaps be
attached to the side for a little while longer, Jennie.

Speaker 20 (30:02):
Yeah, but Jason and good money, I mean, oh yeah, anyway,
that's I just think the coaching team. Okay, some of
the plays could have done better, admittedly, but I think
the coaching team and that guy that's a head coach,
he's done nothing. He needs to step down. Someone needs
to tell him he's got to get his heck together

(30:24):
or his dealth.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Thank you, Jenny. I'm sure he is having a very stringent,
strident debrief after that. And look, you got to give
it to Jason Ryan. He owned it when I chatted
to him. I thought he did. Anyway, he wasn't shying
away from anything. They own it. No one will be
more embarrassed than the All Blacks themselves after this. Look,

(30:48):
no one's getting sacked. Let let's be clear about this.
No one's getting sacked. That's not the New Zealand way.
He's not getting sacked. Scott Robertson has six defeats now
in fifteen wins. He's at twenty one test matches, six
defeats in fifteen wins when Ian Foster oversaw his sixth defeat.

(31:09):
He had sixteen wins in a draw, so that's pretty similar.
Scott Robertson seventy one percent winning record through twenty one games,
Ian Foster seventy percent winning record through twenty three games.
We didn't sack Foszy. Scott Robinson's staying okay, we need
to be at peace with that. But what we need
to also do was demand better.

Speaker 14 (31:28):
James High Yeah, gooday, pineyfist on caller, Oh.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Great to have you on the show. James, thanks for calling, mate.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (31:35):
I was at the game last night and what an
atmosphere and crowd all black supporter, but I do have
issues with leadership. I agree with your point you just made.
It's not about sacking people, it's about having the people
in the right position. Scott Parrot for me, great player,
I just don't think he commands the mana you'll call

(31:56):
it Bruce hit Eary's nail on the head that I
was thinking of, and that's probably a problem for me.
The bright light was Eroy Kaylor and great debut, but
it was so hard to be at that game, so hard.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Did you have a few African fans around you?

Speaker 14 (32:13):
No funny enough. I was throunded by all blacks and
we were just so quiet, and that was that was
really hard. And I've never left in all that game early,
but I left before they too. The last two tries
that I just lost all the shop. I just completely
lost it. My wife was looking at me, going, why
are we leaving? I said, I can't watch this any longer.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
But James, it's I can hear it in your voice,
baite and even the fact you've called up it's great
to hear from you as a first time caller as well.
But yeah, the disillusionment if you can call it that,
or certainly the disappointment in your voice. The Scott Barrett
one so interesting to me because clearly within that playing
group he's highly regarded and honest day, one of the
best locks going around. In fact, I thought last week

(32:58):
at even Bark he had his best test as captain.
It's just such a shame that last night. I just
think you're right you look out there, for you, for
your leaders, for the men are who have the money,
as you put it, And yeah, I didn't see it
last night, iron mate.

Speaker 14 (33:14):
Yeah sorry, Kay, you'll call a pas, call a Bruce.
He talked about Shelford, he talked about Fitzpatrick. I'll go further, Tanner,
Richard mccaugh. Those guys demanded excellence, and by god, if
you didn't deliver, I'm pretty sure they told you. I
don't think you can let with Scott Barrett. Yes he
is my All Black Team, All Mat squad, but I

(33:37):
just don't think he's our captain. And it's just my.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
View, James. It's a it's a relevant view. It's as
relevant as any of you. Thanks for calling, mate, You
got the number. Now'll call back anytime. Good to hear
from you. Seventeen to one Back with more after this.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
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Speaker 2 (34:02):
Talk to fourteen to one on text. Owning it as
a coach is one thing. Having the ability he'd have
turned it around as another. And that's the key question.
Rhetoric is great, but nothing without consistent delivery of results.
And that's a consistency. It just eludes this team at
the moment, and the response is demanded by the Black jersey.

Speaker 21 (34:18):
But hi, oh, are you there, poney, I'm here, Bart
all right, good good.

Speaker 13 (34:25):
I just want to agree with a couple of the
previous comments there around raising im questions around the coaching.
What my key concern is, have a look at how
well the Australians front it against the South Africans, but
both in South Africa. And who was this drum coach,
Mike Tron? Why did we go home?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Well, I think he was part of He was part
of Yeah, he was part of Ian Foster's coaching team,
wasn't he? And when and when Scott Robertson came in,
he brought his own team with him.

Speaker 13 (34:56):
Yeah, how well was that going?

Speaker 19 (34:59):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (34:59):
So good as it?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Well not at the moment.

Speaker 13 (35:02):
It took about mental skills me through Gilbert and Opra
as well. So the two guys, I mean, I think
Gilbert and Os have been with the ABS for over
eleven years. I might be wrong, might be longer, but
I know that Mike Tron had been near double digits
as well. And here I'm wanted. So suddenly they go
to Australia. You didn't see the Australian scrum getting pushed

(35:24):
around in South Africa.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's a very good point Bart, It's a very good point. Look,
I think all the coaches need to have a good
look at themselves and look at I feel as though
they know what they want to see from their players.
But like the aerial game, I know we're moving away
from what you rung to speak about, but the aerial
game they have known for so long that the aerial

(35:49):
rules have changed. You can't escort or sort of block
runners anymore, so you just have to be better under
the high ball. And time and time again, and particularly
in the last two test matches, they have lost the
aerial battle, and lost it significantly last night, more so
than the week before. So where is the where is
the coaching around the stuff? We Corey Jane on the

(36:09):
show yesterday. I'm not sure if you heard him, but
his technical analysis of what you have to do when
the high ball was spot on, bang on, and that
that knowledge isn't secret.

Speaker 13 (36:19):
Yeah, but but Piney gave back there. I mean Corey
James part of the famous bomb squad that had specialists
coaching from mcbaern.

Speaker 9 (36:28):
Yes, So all I'm.

Speaker 13 (36:29):
Trying to say is under the Scott Robertson's coaching rasion,
we've thrown out a lot of IP that has gone
to other parts of other parts of the order, this
case Australia, and it's done a great job. And Jason
Ryan was also chateledged under Mike Klan.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, he was also a lined to. He was also
a line to Fozzy as well, there wasn't He came
in after the Irish after the Irish tests in twenty two,
so he was also part of part of Ian Foster's
crew and obviously had been heavily aligned with Razor at
the Crusaders. So yeah, so, and I think again Jason
Ryan's highly regarded. They probably all are, you know, but

(37:11):
the results aren't there to see at the moment. But
so your point's entirely valid.

Speaker 13 (37:15):
Mate, I mean, and the other content I have is
that we are going backwards and forwards across the bloody field.
And how could you name me a time that we've
actually hold held the ball for more than ten phases?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, I think the only time I did last night
was the only time I did last night was going
to try I think Leroy Carter. That was at the
end of a move that went back and forth through
about fifteen sets of hands, so that that was the
only one I can remember.

Speaker 13 (37:40):
Yeah, I mean, if you kind of go back to
previous areas, whether it be Follows, whether it be Hanson,
whether it be game Henry. You know, there's oftentimes we're
holding the ball well over twenty sometimes twenty five phases
and building pressure, and but we're playing this helped to
skelter pass the ball out White. I mean, I think

(38:00):
we're actually being quite arrogant, to be perfectly honest. It's
like we're saying outside backs so much faster than the
South Africans, and and that that that rush defensive there
is kept on getting in our in our line, and
we didn't seem to change our approach. But it wasn't
like our plan B said, Okay, guys, you know the

(38:21):
rush defense is certainly rappling us out wide. Let's keep
it in close that it's trying to suck some some
of the loose forwards and keeping closer to the ruck.
Let's see some picking goes. Let's hold it for you know,
for some phases and try and frustrate them. It was
just like, let's go to the let's go to a
breakdown and quickly get that ball out, you know, let's
get let's go wide. We didn't have any one or

(38:43):
two off runners coming and off the rucks. We did
a little bit in the first half, but in the
in the second half it was just like, let's do
Hail Mary's and get it out to our new winger m.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Good points, well made Bart and look there there. Their
wingers are much better, much faster than ours. Colby and Hooker.
That ethan hooker man, he's a player chit and Colby
spent a great winger for a long time. I think
if there is any suggestion that our wings are faster
than these, then it was put to bed last night.
Thanks for your cole mate, Gary, we can squeeze you
on hello mate.

Speaker 23 (39:12):
Yeah, very frustrating to watch a game like that. And
my comment is that you don't score tries if you're
kicking the ball. Why don't we stop the halfbacks from
kicking the ball and giving it back to them if
we're fifty percent losing the high ball? And also those

(39:35):
South African backs our fellows were seeing the whites of
their eyes before they actually had the ball out wide,
so why don't they change as they're playing. Bring some
of those exciting wingers back in close to the scrum
and leave the other fellows wider out and nullify those

(39:56):
fast South African winners.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, I saw that on occasion, Gary, I saw Leroy
Carter and it's sort of second receiver on occasion, so
they did give it a crack. But yeah, I just
think in the second half last night, Mate, it just
there was there was nothing to be taken from it.
And the kick. You're right about the kicking, and that's
the mysterious part to me. If the kicks truly are
fifty to fifty, as Jason Ryan said earlier, then we

(40:21):
should win fifty percent of them, shouldn't we. That stands
to reason, doesn't it. That's logical maths. If every box
kicker is a fifty to fifty, then we should win
half of them. I don't know the exact stats, but
I'm telling you it wasn't half. Last night felt to
me as though South Africa won three quarters of those
aerial battles. There were a couple of times when Damie

(40:43):
McKenzie went up and showed great courage and won a couple,
but they lost the aerial battle again last night. And
the frustrating thing about that is that they knew it
was coming. It was not a surprise seven to one
back in a mote.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
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Speaker 2 (41:06):
Or to one, going to keep the lines open after
one o'clock, so we'll pick this conversation up again after
the news. Couple of points that have been made on text.
One is that a number of those South African players
don't play in South Africa. In fact, I saw a
stant that twenty eight of the forty three points last
night was scored by players who are based in Japan,
so that's interesting. And the other one is about the

(41:28):
Black Ferns, and yes we will shine a light on
the Black Ferns after two o'clock. We haven't forgotten about them.
I do want to keep on talking all Blacks. Got
the Warriors to cover as well, but don't worry, we
have not forgotten about the Black Ferns and their progress
through to the semi finals. That their Rugby World Cups
will cover that off after two o'clock. News next to one.

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Speaker 2 (41:58):
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(42:22):
to the lines on the field. Last night after the game,
had the opportunity to catch up with spring Box midfield
back Damien Villam sit man. He looked ecstatic, Damien, you
are pumped up? And why not? How good was that?

Speaker 6 (42:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (42:38):
Man, very happy with that result. Going to the team
and everyone, the coach says for stepping up this week,
and yeah we knew where we went wrong last beginning
and parking. I think as you can see, it was
a very tis the mindset coming into this game and
how did these boys fucking play today? So for my language,
but it was a simple outstanding too. Put on our
performers like this. Away from Home in Wellington is going

(43:00):
down in the booksman.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
It has gone down to the books. The second half
in particular, Damien. You know, in the first half, I
think your domin but the execution not quite there. What
happened in the second half? What was it at halftime?

Speaker 24 (43:10):
Yeah, I think we knew that we were making progress.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
There are a few hors did and.

Speaker 24 (43:16):
Go to hand, but in the second time we just
said this is the same, remain calm, keep the composer
and that first opportunity to be going to have to
put present.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
On the All blacks and we did that.

Speaker 24 (43:26):
So yeah, it was very clinical from us in the
second half.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Man, you've played a lot of rugby, You've had a
lot of success in rugby. Winn Is this right? And
not totally just finished? But wait does it stand?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Man?

Speaker 8 (43:35):
Man?

Speaker 24 (43:35):
This is goes to the rugy War Cup. And yeah,
I'm just super super happy. This is a fantastic one
and credit to the team and everyone involved.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
That is Damien Villains straight after the final whistle, or
about five minutes after the final whistle, I can tell
you you can't obviously see it through the radio. You
can hear his voice there, but his eyes were sparkling.
He was just over the moon with that and to
hear him compare it to winning a world Cup. That
just shows how much beating the All Blacks means to

(44:04):
South Africans and the other Perton point there his first comment,
we know what we did wrong last week. We fixed
it and there's the result. That is now the All
Blacks task. They have to work out what went wrong
last night and the list is quite long and do
better in a couple of weeks time. Let's get back

(44:24):
to the lines. Hello, jealous, Yeah, party.

Speaker 25 (44:29):
I want to talk about the motivation and these teams
are not thirty three points at part there are pretty
even at the start of the series. If it said, okay,
we're going to lose one, we're going to win one.
Which one we'd just sooner win. It's Eden park right, Yes,
so we've done that. We've kept even parked that record. Intact,

(44:53):
we lost Baddy last night, but that can happen in
the game.

Speaker 11 (44:55):
That that cold we thing.

Speaker 25 (44:57):
That's a fourteen point try and it's imagine he knocks
it on then he gets the yellow card or they
even get a plody try against them, So it's a
high risk thing came off for him and that probably
changed the flow. But I think it's the top till
it is. It's the motivation. At this level, the top

(45:17):
four teams in the world can all beat each other
on the day. It depends on the motivation. And the
Box wanted it more last night than we did.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
How could an all black not want to beat the
spring Box though, Dallas, Yeah, but you can't.

Speaker 25 (45:30):
It's like a subliminal thing, you know. Eden Park, we
just had to win. There was no two ways about it,
and so they just put that extra in, you know,
and it's just human. The next week, the pressure is
off of it with one Eden Park, and you know,
it's just the Box were up for it. Erasmus, you

(45:52):
saw him in the press comments. You know, he never
gloated once and he mentioned fifty seven now at North Harbor,
he mentioned that two or three times his feet. He's
so grounded, that guy. You know, he's so realistic and
that's what makes him such a good person. As some
other callers have said, they're they've got so much depth

(46:12):
they can put that. He'll be thinking, now, why didn't
I play that team at eden Park?

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, he may well, and tell us you make such
a good point. I reckon, look at the start of
the year or even even you know, two weeks ago
or let's say, before Eden Park, I think if you
and I had been having a conversation, we probably would
have agreed that that a likely outcome was a test
each you know, that that wasn't beyond the realms of possibility,
and that's what's happened here. I think what's concerning us

(46:40):
is the manner of the defeat yesterday, the manner of
the South African defeat last week. They were in that
right till the end and kept going and kept going
and kept going. That didn't happen last night.

Speaker 12 (46:52):
But if you're losing, rugby's one up front. You know,
we know that if you lose the lineout, even on
your own throne, or if you're losing scrums, scrums then
become a huge weapon for the box. You know, there's
like a three point guarantee every scrum you know from
so rugby is still one upfront and the back's just
decide by how much.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, good stuff, tell us, great thoughts, mate, well made,
thank you, Yeah, scrum and lineout Jason. Ryan's got a
lot of work to do there. Bryan Evans of course
is in there as well, helping out with the with
the lineout. You know, even though they didn't get pushed
off their ball, and as Spectac they're fashioners. Last week
at Eden Park, the All Blacks always looked like were
struggling at scrum time last night on their own feet.

(47:34):
You know. It just seemed like they wanted to get
it out of the back wallace and Tet had to
get rid of it quickly a couple of times, and
it almost felt as though the All Blacks were just
sort of on the edge of of having a scrumb
penalty against them, and they did on what three occasions,
And then the lineout when I mean, I felt for
Brody McCallister, you know, and it shows again the gap
between Cody Taylor and the other hookers. But I'm not

(47:54):
sure Brody McAllister was helped by his lineout callers last night,
and presumably it was Scott Barrett. I presume he calls
the lineouts, and even if he doesn't, he's the captain.
Going back to that one, and I hate to labor
the point, but it was a turn point in the
game that lineout at sixty minutes. He called that to yourself.
You got to number two on the line out and
call it to yourself. Hey, Glenn.

Speaker 13 (48:15):
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that point of that
line out. Another couple of moments in the game used
the rhyllains to try. Also, Will Jordan goes through, he's
got two many outside him, and he does a skip
pass and Leroy Carter doesn't catch it. Yeah, you know
that goes to the six. The six is a ball player.
He puts them and he put him away, and then
we're back at seventeen. All yeah, so like and then

(48:38):
Boden Beard on the right hand side, he's got two
men outside and he takes the tackle. You know that
there was a couple of moments which were very un
all black light, very unclinical, you know, just we managed
to absolutely muffet.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, and he what about and I know it didn't
matter by the stage, Glenn, but what about Will Jordan
when he went to force the ball and he was short?
When does Will Jordan ever do that? Ever? Ever?

Speaker 8 (49:01):
Exactly?

Speaker 13 (49:02):
And I think, you know, so, you know, I think
you can probably play another teen games and and those
those four incidences wouldn't go that way, right, so you know,
we don't have to panic. But what what what does
really worry me is we're still doing a three Fords
green passing it behind. We're never hitting that three fords
green and so so they're not attracting defenders. That's what

(49:24):
they're there for. They're there to attract defenders. And so
I think, I mean, and I'm just an arm chair
footy player, footy watcher, you know, I'm not. I'm not
a pro coach. So those guys will be able to
see it, and they just I don't really understand what
they're doing is almost what they're going through, the emotions
with how they're setting up that at three three, one
out the back dead and so yeah, they just, yeah,

(49:45):
there has to be another way to beat the blitz
defense rather than just trying to go around with all
the time they have to go over it or through it,
or you know, you've got guys looks for tit. You've
got guys like Ardy Savv. You put one of them
on a funny angle coming back in a weak shold.
I go through every single time, but we don't seem
to be able to construct that. We have no picking goes, yes, scrum.

(50:09):
We're going to win about forty seven of the scrums
and not win them well because they are a better
scrummaging tend enough. That's fine, that's fine. There's a whole
lot of other stuff that we did in the end
and we're not playing the restaurants and that's really annoying.
And it was very disheartening. And as you see it
in the first hour, I think that for the first
time in a very very very long time, probably since
sircurtain Randall, that I saw your breaks give up and

(50:32):
I'm very unhappy about that.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Good on you, Glenn. Thanks mate. I'm nodding along and
that was the most worrying part for me. We can
all accept being beaten by a better team. We're not
arrogant enough to suggest that we should win every game.
We know that's not going to be the case. And
as I said in the first hour, South Africa would
have beaten anybody last night. I don't care who it was.
That second half performance was utter blitzkreek. It was unstoppable,

(51:00):
but it was the manner of the defeat, the capitulation,
the the seeming lack of effort at the end. Even Mills,
Mullyana and Karen Reid, these are one hundred test all
Blacks said afterwards on the television coverage they thought it
looked like players were given up. As I was, as

(51:23):
I was leaving last night, I saw Mills, I saw
Justin Marshall, and it's just a it's just a puffing
out of the cheeks, and are like, what happened? What
on earth happened? Hey, Peter.

Speaker 26 (51:35):
Piny, great show and a luck. What happened is that
simply the the spring Box gave us a lesson and
how to play kick. They showed, yeah, they showed us
how to scrummage, They showed us how to win lineouts.

(51:56):
They showed us how to strategically and regain the ball.
They showed us how to catch under the high ball.
And along with the lesson, and they gave us a spankings.
And at the end it looks as though the All
Blacks just sat back and said, hey, this is great
to watch guys.

Speaker 11 (52:15):
They let them go.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I'm sure that wasn't the case. Better as you know,
but no, but you're right, and they know they honestly. Yeah, Look,
if you're a neutral, if you're a neutral, I mean,
if you're a South African van, you're over the moon today,
you're probably still having a couple of celebratory drinks. But
if you're a neutral, and you watch that and you think,
my goodness, that's how rugby can be played. Their second
forty minutes was just otherworldly.

Speaker 26 (52:38):
Yeah. What concerns me is that after eating Park and
I was at the game, you know, they got they
got walked over in the scrubs and the coaches said that,
you know, well, you know, we'll tidy it up during
the week, we'll get the scrums. And it was only
marginely better. You know, we still got done over in
the scrummaging.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, that was an interesting comment from Jason Ryan. Sorry,
but that was an interesting comment from Jason Ryan when
he said when they were pushing off the ball, he
was asked about that and he said, well, that won't
happen again, And it didn't to that extent, but you're right,
we were still they were still better than us at
scrum time yesterday.

Speaker 13 (53:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (53:09):
And Brady McAllister in the lineups, I mean, what are
they doing. I mean he's there coming on, sorry that
he's trained, and the calls and so on. I knew
that was amateurs, that those lineouts that they missed. I
just wonder what's happening in the coaching. I'm not saying
to get rid of the coaching there any But what's
happening as far as the coaching, I don't know. There's

(53:32):
something lacking there, Someway.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, this is a massive test for than Peter. You're
so right. So I've got to move and I've got
a few other calls to get to. But this is
a massive moment in this coaching team's tenure. Massive. The
response that they come up with will be instructive. They,
as I said before, they have to now spend every
waking hour working out what went wrong last night and

(53:57):
fixing it. And if we think that Australia aren't going
to present as stern a challenge as South Africa, well
we may be right in some regards. They don't have
the player power or the depth that South Africa have.
But I'm telling you right now, the Wallabies want to
watched that game last night and they will sniff blood.

(54:17):
They will sniff an opportunity to break the eden Park
curse or eden Park fortress, and they will absolutely sniff
an opportunity to win that bleed us Low Cup. Thanks
for calling, Patter and Joy chatting to you.

Speaker 13 (54:29):
Hello, Steve, Hey, Jason, how are you going good?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Steve?

Speaker 6 (54:35):
Good?

Speaker 13 (54:35):
Yeah, Look at just.

Speaker 27 (54:36):
An interesting observation. I think you look at particularly both
the Orbits and the Bucks, all of their winnings in
this championship have come out of desperation. So they lose
a game, become desperate, win the next on a high
and go and then lose the following. It feels like
there's a mental conditioning issue. Sort of question that, And

(55:02):
as a box supporter, I guess that the bit the
Mats be nervous now is I watched that Argentina game
and man, I'll tell you what, I wouldn't be resting
my laurels of I and Springboks. I think that igent
Tina team are coming.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Oh Steve, come on mate, I'm not buying that, Steve.
I'm not buying that. You'll like some magnificent mate, They're magnificent.

Speaker 27 (55:25):
No, look, I've got to say very I absolutely spoke
it with the team last night. The one thing that
really pleased me is that, you know, we've been struggling
to find this balance between the ten man rugby and
the running game, and felt like they got the mixed
spot on last night. That combined with desperation. You know,

(55:45):
they were going home to so Africa turned all down
in New Zealand having come close in the first that
that wouldn't have been a good welcome, so they was
very desperate last night. But yeah, All Blacks, for me,
last night just felt like there was a just they
just the attitude just wasn't there, you know, not they
weren't contesting, and I just wonder, how can you go

(56:06):
from one week to the next playing so well and
then just not delivering it. It just feels like it
is the preparation or right from the mental perspective, who knows, well.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I wonder Steve, whether it was the fact that there
was so much on last week, right, there was so
much on it, the eden Park Fortress, Artie Savier's one
hundredth Test match, the fact that, you know, it just
felt like there was a higher power at work last
week and the All Blacks embraced that and won the game.
And I just I've had it suggested to me that
they that they didn't get up as much for last

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night for whatever reason, emotionally, physically, all that stuff. But
it just it just felt like last week there was
so much build up. But Artie Savier said afterwards, we
shouldn't need Eden Park to get up like that. And
you know, I was just so impressed by by South
Africa's reaction to what happened at eden Park because they

(56:59):
could easily have sort of you know, you know, Resci
made some changes. They could easy have gone, man, we
missed our chance again to win an Eden Park. But
instead they put on an absolute master class last night.

Speaker 27 (57:10):
Yeah, and I totally agree. I think I think what
he's taken out of last night's game, Russie is that
there's a backline there that can that can move the
bad around. You know, Sasha before he went off with
looking very solid at ten, wanting to play, and you
can see the difference that Tony Brown's made to this

(57:31):
attacking strategy that they've sort of been trying to find.
And last night I feel like I just clicked. But yeah,
I watched that Argentino game and I'll tell you what,
there's not much no Steve, no, Steve.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
No, I'm not having it, mate, I'm not having it.
I'm not having it. I know what you're trying to do.
Now get on your mate. It's great to get you.
And congratulations, I mean jeecause I was so pleased with
the South African fans last night because they turned up
in such big numbers as they did at Eating Park
and they did last night, And they're just like us.
They love their rugby team. They love their rugby team,
you know, and none of us is a blinked enough

(58:08):
to not be able to, you know, appreciate their passion
for the game and be happy for them, even if
it's begrudgingly because we want our team to win. Last
pleased for them. Good on your Steve. Good to Jetty mate.
I think I think you'll be okay against the Permise,
but I could be wrong. The Rugby Championship has been very,
very funny this year, Tristan. Thanks for holding hello.

Speaker 28 (58:25):
Here we got I'm fine good. Three simple things going
wrong with the Albacks all particularly last night out coached,
no scrum in the attitude. It's the three things going
wrong with this team.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
That's three big things we shall we focus our attention
the attitude. One interests me the most, Tristan, because that
feels like it should be base level for the All Blacks.

Speaker 22 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (58:50):
The reason why I brought up attitude was, well, you
probably heard Mills and Kanary talk about at the end,
and that's something I noticed too Prior to that interview.

Speaker 13 (59:00):
So when it got to.

Speaker 28 (59:01):
About twenty nine to ten is when they look like
they gave up, which is very uncarre heuristical and all
back team just to throw on the towel. Just the
way the try is leaked. They're dropping off tackles, particularly
that last one. In an example where that where they
obviously scored the last try and bot bar it he
just sort of just went in to make a tackle

(59:21):
but just didn't commit and just got bumped off. With
these and and the other thing with the attitude too
is it seems like they need a response to get
the best out of them. Like an example, they played
they won the first game in Argentina, and then they
played their second game they got done and then of
course they had all that history on the line. Last

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week at Eden Park, it just been dating. Everyone was
right in them off and rubbishing them with that performance
in Argentina, bounced back, got to win last week, and
then this week first half they were looking to right
and then as soon as this thing started to turn
obviously the Springot's got sort of four Nain points clear,

(01:00:03):
it just started to unravel. There seems to be an
attitude of this team like like I just said, it
seems like they need to go through some sort of
adversity to bounce back. They can't string. There's no consistency
in this team. It's a there's a leadership issue.

Speaker 8 (01:00:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:00:22):
It seems like Scott Berger's been quiet on the field
when things are not going his own way. He looked
good last week because we were in front, but this
sweet so soon as the second half we've got four
name points clear. I mean they got four name points clear.
You could kind of see it. This is I don't know,
is something quite wrong as this team. And you could

(01:00:43):
see at the end too, I don't know. There was
a camera shot of Razor and Scott Hanson just right
at the end of full time. They were just sill
my sitting there. Hanson was like sort of laying back
in his chair, almost like to say, you're two from here.

Speaker 29 (01:00:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Trust the point you make about the about the response
to adversity is so salient because if you want to
win a World Cup, you gotta win three games in
a row, three big games in a row, so you
don't have time or the ability to have adversity. If
you want to win the World Cup, if you lose
quarter final, you're out. Lose a semi final, you're out.

(01:01:19):
Consistency is elusive for this team. Great call mate, Willie,
Willie Jackson.

Speaker 9 (01:01:27):
How are you mate?

Speaker 26 (01:01:29):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:01:30):
Good to hear from you, hey mate, If there's anything positive,
just remember the Box was humiliated about three weeks ago.
They lost Remember this thirty eight No we lost thirty
six No, they lost thirty eight NOL. We didn't lose
thirty six mil at Eden Park.

Speaker 8 (01:01:47):
Did we?

Speaker 11 (01:01:47):
They lost?

Speaker 9 (01:01:48):
They lost thirty eight NOL.

Speaker 13 (01:01:51):
At Alice Park.

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
So I just just remind everyone that Geno humiliation wasn't
that far. It wasn't so long ago for the Box, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
What about our response then, Willy, are you expecting a
similar response because South Africa did respond to that by
by winning at Cakeeown the following week, came over here
lost narrowly last week one. So are you expecting the
response from the All Blacks of Eden Park in a
couple of weeks and bled uslow one?

Speaker 8 (01:02:18):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:02:18):
One thing with Rassi he tries things. This is the
problem with Razor. Razor. I don't know what happened to him.
He's risk averse mate, you know, like Rassi tries stuff.
Clearly has kept him as look has kept him. Look
should he won't do it. But Artie should be made
to captain. I think it's absolutely clear for some reason
that defects Scott Barrett. You know, look he's not captain's backside.

(01:02:41):
You can see it. I can see it that, anyone
can see it. He's a champion player. But captain see
affects him, affects him. He won't get rid of him
because that's how Razor works, right, anyone knows make Ardie
the captain. The other thing is Razor needs assistance. You know,
Wayne Smith should be attached to him all the time.
He needs some support. Would if Fozzy do he went

(01:03:02):
and got some. He went and got Joe Smith. You know,
like clearly Raised has got problems. You know he has
his decision maker. Why he brought McAllister Beck into the
team is beyond me. He couldn't throw the ball in
the in the in the last Test match a pointing,
you know, like he got a try so that got
him back in. We all know he can't throw the

(01:03:24):
ball and he puts them in the team twenty minutes.
Why did he even swap the hookers? You see there's
some bad decisions being made by this coach who somehow
is not cutting it at Test level. Don't get me wrong,
I really like Razor, but we we got to take
a risk. He should take a risk. He won't take
a risk and will win the next Test match. We

(01:03:44):
might win. Let us then we'll go to Europe and
we'll get done by the French.

Speaker 8 (01:03:47):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:03:48):
You know how it works, and he seems to be.

Speaker 8 (01:03:51):
Risk of this.

Speaker 9 (01:03:51):
You know when d mack was playing well in Europe,
he played well in Europe, he played tremendously well against
Ireland and against for Ahaps he drops them, you know.
And it's just I just think there's a leadership problem
there that needs to They need assistance, they need support.
He needs some good coaching around him, and he needs

(01:04:12):
to change his captain, you know, because I think Ardie
would have rallied those troops. There's not a lot of
There's not a lot in these games.

Speaker 7 (01:04:18):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:04:19):
The games can blow out. It's not the end of
the world for the old lecks. Remember the Mighty Box
lost thirty eight mil to the Australians.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So yeah, well they've got to leave it mate. But
always good to hear your passionate thoughts mate, thanks for
calling in. I appreciate it. And very salient, too, very salient.
One thirty. I will take the final few calls after
the break.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
One crunch Hold engaged Weekend Sports with Jason, him and GJ.
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Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Twenty seven or two.

Speaker 30 (01:04:49):
Hey Kevin, Yeah, Hi, Jason Bellison. Here's my take on
what needs to happen, not what has happened. What needs
to happen is this. The half fact does no more
kicking right, and mister Barrett does no more picking down
the center of the field for the ball to be
returned back. His kicks have got to be aimed for

(01:05:12):
the corner flag and then we've got really good stuff going.
The other thing is this that what we've got to
do is when we're bending the ball on the back line,
we've got to draw the opposition and commit them to
tackle me, and then just when that happens, feed the

(01:05:32):
ball on and we've got to penetrate the opposition. And
the other most important thing is, Jason, how the hell
do we give away taking shots at goal when it's
well within our range? It happened last night, happens every game.
Why don't we want the three points? It's just madness?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
All good points and it also do with kicking as well.
I agree on the box kick, mate. I asked Cory
Joan about it yesterday and you know he gave a
a fairly logical answer. The reason they box kick now
is because it is fifty to fifty. But as I've
said a couple of times, if it's fifty fifty, we
should win. Fifty percent of them haven't been. There are

(01:06:20):
so many work ons now, right. That's the issue here
that it's not just one thing to fix now after
last night, there are a bunch of things that need focus.
And what's today the fourteenth of September, so we've got
twelve days to fix them? Say we your Black's coaches

(01:06:42):
have Kevin, thank you, Adam High.

Speaker 13 (01:06:46):
Hey, Jason, how are going?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I'm good, Adam, I'm good.

Speaker 31 (01:06:48):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
What's the top of your mind? Mate?

Speaker 21 (01:06:52):
A bit like everyone else, their comments are based on emotion.
I would say it will be fixed and stop worrying
about it. Let's remember twenty seventeen. I think it was
put fifty seven nil on South Africa. Have they have
they been worse since then, No, they've improved.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
To be fair, Adam, they did, to be fair at them.
They did change their coach after that. I used that
as an analogy earlier. You're right, they went on to
win the World Cup and then the next one as well,
they did change their coach. I don't I don't think.
I don't think we're going.

Speaker 8 (01:07:26):
To do that.

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:07:27):
No, no, we're not going to do that.

Speaker 16 (01:07:29):
And it'll be madness to do it.

Speaker 13 (01:07:30):
There's clearly some some issues.

Speaker 21 (01:07:32):
Going on in coaching ranks, but that's fine. I'm sure
they'll they'll figure it out. And the second thing is
we put what sixty odd on front twenty fifteen World
Cup fronts are now a better fider mate.

Speaker 8 (01:07:42):
Why can't we fix it as well?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Adam. That is the That is the glimmer of light
that I'm glad you've produced right at the end of
our talkback on this topic, because I'll bring it back
to that to finish. I was on the ground last
night and the All Blacks, to their credit and they
never wouldn't have that. They stayed out on the ground
and to a man, watched the Freedom Cup be handed

(01:08:06):
over to see a Calisi. I mean they already had
it anyway. The All Blacks had to win both tests
to reclaim the Freedom Cup. Instead, South Africa retain possession
of it. And you can only hope that the emotion
that was flowing through those men last night as they
watched South Africa celebrate understated celebrations too, by the way,

(01:08:29):
which shows the respect. You can only hope that that
is the fuel they need, That they remember that feeling
last night from September thirteen, twenty twenty five in Wellington
and use it to fuel them. Say to themselves, I
never ever, ever ever want to feel this way again.

(01:08:50):
We may well look back in two years time, in
six years time. Who knows at Wellington September thirteen, twenty
twenty five as a seminal moment in our rugby history
and who knows hopefully as a turning point as well.
Twenty three to two for ran Furley Shield Rugby this
afternoon Canterbury against Tasman. Nick Buley has to call a

(01:09:13):
Tasman any chance this afternoon, Nick.

Speaker 31 (01:09:17):
Good afternoon to you piney Well never fear the country's
second team Canterbury are here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
So wow no yeah, no, look I hear you. I
hear you. Look, I think a lot of people do
like Tasman. I just can't see Tasman winning this game.
Canterbury just seem so much better than everybody else. This's
NPC season. Yeah, unfallible thus far.

Speaker 31 (01:09:41):
Piney six and ohero and very dominant the last couple
of weeks, winning the Shield last week over Southland fifty
four to fourteen. There was a similar score line the
week before, and run you're against Mona with two. Probably
what's been again most impressive for me has been their defense.
I think they conceded something like seventy four points for
the season, which my math tells me about an average

(01:10:02):
twelve points a game. They've been out of chopping, change
players in and out, like Sir Sam Dowry going away
last week being in that all Blacks environment. He's back
this afternoon. They having a couple of injuries in the
loose four department, so that'll be interesting how it goes
this afternoon. Corey Callos had a magnificent season so far.
He is out unfortunately with a knee injury. So Zach
Gallagher goes in. He usually plays his rugby at Locke.

(01:10:24):
He'll be at Blindside flanker this afternoon. But no, it's
going to take something rather special from Tasman. They did
win four straight Piney and then had a bit of
a surprise loss at home to Auckland, who that was
Auckland's first win of the season. But you look at
some of these names on paper and I think by
Mike count there are twenty Crusaders in total of the

(01:10:45):
forty six men set to play this afternoon. But there's
some serious firepower. Lester Fying a nuoku for one really
interested to see how he goes. He's actually been promoted
to the starting side in the last couple of hours.
He's going to start at second five eighth. You got
David Harvilly, William Harvilly, Mitchell Drummond, Quinn Strange, so a
lot of class. Yeah, I'm not going to say it's

(01:11:06):
so outside of the realms of possibility for Tasman, but
I think they're going to have to put together a
complete eighty minute performance.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah, and the back three as well, Maca Springer, Karen
Talmoy Filo and David HARVILLI there's some wheels, some experience there.
I wonder I have to revise my initial thought on this.

Speaker 14 (01:11:25):
Look.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Canterbury have just shown us the value of consistency, haven't they.
And and you're right. I mean this is obviously a Crusaders.
Derby and Tasman will have designs of course on prizing
that that log of wood away. But just the ease
with which Canterbury dismantled Southland last week. You know, has
a Ramfilly Shield challenger ever been so convincing.

Speaker 31 (01:11:48):
No, not off the top of my head, at least
Piney in terms of how clinical Canterbury were. And you're
right in terms of that consistency, there's by and large
been a consistency of selection. This is a team that
has had a little bit of turnover. It's fair to
say too when you think of guys like Billy Harmon,
Mitch Drummond move to Tasman, Willie Hines, Ryan Croddy now

(01:12:08):
part of the Canterbury backstaff as opposed to being in
the team itself. I keep hearing how connected this Canterbury
team feel in terms of where they are in their careers.
There's a lot of young guys coming through and a
lot of guys I suppose they're on the periphery of
breaking through into super rugby environments or trying to promote
themselves for higher honors through into the All Blacks. So

(01:12:29):
it's a very determined team and a team that hasn't
had success for some time. And just looking over at
what would you call that maybe the sou West corner
here at Apollo Project, statedma in Christich. There are a
lot of years on the light tower that signify each
year that Canterbury have won the NPC title, but it's
a little bit barren over the last seven years, the

(01:12:50):
last of which are their last title being in twenty seventeen.
So it feels like this is a Canterbury team with
plenty to prove. It all sets up really nicely for
this afternoon, just for the train. Spot is out there, pioneers,
I know there will be a few. In terms of history,
the log of Wood has not been with five provinces
in the same calendar year since nineteen fifty seventy five

(01:13:11):
years ago. I went from the hands of Otago to
Canterbury to Wide It up a Bush, to South Canterbury
to North Auckland. My thanks to Lindsey Knight for that
little nugget of information. And it is forty years to
the day since what many dubbed the match of the
century September fourteen, nineteen eighty five, Auckland reefing the Ranfrelly

(01:13:34):
Shield away from the hands of Canterbury about five k
from where we are this afternoon, from Lancaster Park twenty
eight twenty three. There were twenty three All Blacks who
played on that day, and of course that began Auckland's
ridiculous run. I think they defended the Ramfally shields sixty
one times from eighty five to about ninety three. So
come a little bits of history there for you, Pint.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I love this, I love that. This is the reason
we hand you the microphone. This is the reason why
have you assembled a satisfactory team around you there today
to call on Gold's.

Speaker 31 (01:14:06):
We've got the A team as always John Haggard, he
knows what it takes from a coaching experience to win
the rand Philly Shield. He did some in two thousand
and seven with Canterbury.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
He's with us this afternoon.

Speaker 31 (01:14:14):
Craig Kerr, our sideline, I and the technical expertise as always,
the gold standard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Bill Toomey, that is the A team. Indeed, thanks mate,
enjoy the call. We'll look forward to hearing it on
Gold Sport and iHeartRadio after two o'clock Nick Buley with
John Haggett and Craig Kerr. Bill Toomey pushing the buttons
at Apollo Project Stadium in christ Church as Tasman attempt
to take the Ranfhilly Shield away from Canterbury eighteen to
two Back in a sec with James mcconey.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
NB quarter to two Sunday Afternoons, which hat to James
mcconey who was in the ACC commentary box last night
for that one. You've given it the overnight test. How
are you feeling?

Speaker 11 (01:15:04):
You know, well, we took it well on the night
at the ac Sea Pony, although we did flip most
of the desks that enzir Me headquarters in Central Auckland
there so apologized to as they be colleagues. But look,
I was actually kind of vaguely happy about it because
I just loved the way South Africa played. It was
Champagne rugby playing the style that we've kind of longed for.

(01:15:26):
A lot of your callers are getting nostalgic on the line,
just saying I remember when the All Blacks played that way,
and so as a rugby fan, I was thinking, yeah, play,
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah. You have to be happy for South Africa, don't you,
because they were terrific and their fans, I mean, their
fans are so cool. Last week in Auckland, again in
Wellington last night. They're like us. They love their rugby team.
They loved playing against us as we love playing against them.
You can't help but be happy for them.

Speaker 11 (01:15:55):
Yeah, and they showed us this pace and power that
they've got, but also picking their moments, it was a
lot of enterprise show and it wasn't boring the style. Yeah,
they were the old the box kicks. By the way,
box kicking isn't that hard.

Speaker 13 (01:16:08):
Get out there.

Speaker 11 (01:16:09):
If you've got a young half back in your household,
get him out there, just kick it really hard in
the belly of the ball, right in that sweet spot.
I mean, most of your teammates down at Tawa Football
Club could probably box kit pony. It isn't that hard.
Get some elevation on it. Look at videos of Connor Murray.
We need to get better at that skill.

Speaker 8 (01:16:28):
But I digress.

Speaker 11 (01:16:30):
I was just gonna say that, have you boxed Skip
by the way, pony?

Speaker 23 (01:16:34):
Have you?

Speaker 8 (01:16:34):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:16:35):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:16:35):
What I like, I know, no, we need to get better.

Speaker 11 (01:16:41):
At that skill. But what what what Rassi has done
is he's at least the dragon because these younger faster
backs from South Africa that he picked for this week,
if they keep stay together with Tony Brown helping them,
you know, sort of pulling some strings, that it could
make them unbeatable for the next World Cup. And they
knew the Orblecks would keep kicking, and they suddenly decided
to counterattack, and it shocked us to our core. And

(01:17:05):
and that was that was kind of concerning. And the
other thing I did notice is that look gainsmanship was
kind of funny really because the rest had no more drama.
He pulled them both captains aside, no more silly buggers,
and straight away Jasper Visa tackled Jeordie straighter after the whistle,
and I was quite amused by that because they really
know how to get under our skin and fair play

(01:17:26):
to them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I thought. Leroy Carter had a pretty good debut.

Speaker 11 (01:17:29):
What did you think yep Lero was best on field
for us? You know, he actually sparked a lot of
our attack And one thing that did concern me though,
with you know, a couple of times we had what
looked like overlaps. And I guess not all overlaps are
created equally because of how good covert offense is, but
why not explore it? Why not take that extra twenty

(01:17:52):
or thirty yards meters that you can get out wide
in that channel.

Speaker 8 (01:17:56):
And then see what happens.

Speaker 11 (01:17:57):
But you know, a couple of times I think we
decided to check or hold on to it, and I
just sort of think maybe their impulses or their decision making,
something's going on with the overall strategy. And even listening
to Jason Ryan, that was quite revealing because it doesn't
sound like everyone's on the same page that he wasn't
happy happy with the kicking game. But the one other

(01:18:19):
thing I wanted to talk to you about was was
selection pinty or signing players, because you know, Mark Talire,
why do we ever let him go? There needs to
be you know, there's a lot of I guess conjecture
around him leaving. But you know, do we just make
the call because of his age or something? But you know,

(01:18:40):
with the South Africans, Rassi, he knows who he wants.

Speaker 9 (01:18:44):
He's saying to.

Speaker 11 (01:18:45):
He's not saying to Quaker Smith, Malcolm Marx or Peter
Steph the toy who were all playing in Japan. He's
not saying, hey, you guys didn't have a good game
against the Shiba, I'm not picking you for the Test series.
He knows exactly what he wants, and so I wonder
where the raiser. On the other hand, the past two
years of Super Rugby that he's watched, he's watched the
Blues dominic in the first year and they were actually

(01:19:07):
pretty good in the second year with Ford dominance. How
many Blues are in our forward pack, well, zero?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
And you're right, it'll open up. It will open up
the conversation about picking off short players again. And we
don't have time to go into that today.

Speaker 16 (01:19:21):
But I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Mentioned before twenty eight of the forty three points scored
by South Africa last night was scored by players who
play in Japan. You know, it ain't no soft league anymore,
is it.

Speaker 32 (01:19:33):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:19:33):
We're letting players go up there. You know, Shannon Frazell,
I know we're getting Richie Moore on the back, but
I understand that we can't compete with money. But I
think the Mark Tale decision, I think was baffling for me,
and also keeping Hoskinstitutjo out of the team last year
has really come back to bite them because Jaspavisa, who
played an incredible game at number eight, similar dimensions, a

(01:19:53):
big body just dominating and getting front football.

Speaker 16 (01:19:56):
Well, wouldn't you want that?

Speaker 11 (01:19:57):
You've got a guy playing today for County's Monico down
in the cargo by the way, just side note, tell
you a news team. Apparently the County team had to
travel by bus from christ Church to in the Cargo
and got there after midnight last night. So that is
an eight hour bus ride before a big rugby game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
No, yeah, yeah, that's problem. Well I don't do you
know why no flights?

Speaker 11 (01:20:24):
I'm I'm not sure why, but I'm pretty sure that's
what happened, So it's worth someone asking afterwards. And look,
I mean, I just think decision making is big for me, poney,
and I feel sorry for Billy Proctor because he threw
a really shocking intercept got faked out by Cheslin who
sort of you know happens in touch where somebody fakes
the touch and goes for the decep of vice versa.

(01:20:46):
But you know, selling a dummy is sometimes a good thing.
There's nothing wrong with the old double cump, you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Know, there isn't. Indeed, Hey, I've only got about a
minute to go. Can you cover Warriors and Black Ferns
in that time?

Speaker 8 (01:20:59):
Probably not?

Speaker 11 (01:21:00):
And I think the Worries we actually spoke about it
last week. I thought they were going to go down
to the Panthers, that it's a bridge too far, losing
Metcalf by met All that sort of leadership and direction
out of the team, though they punched.

Speaker 13 (01:21:12):
Above their weight.

Speaker 11 (01:21:12):
So not a bad season this year. So and then
the Black Ferns getting shocked by South Africa ten all
at half time. Just the class coming through and here
we can all enjoy the Black Ferns march because I
think you know they're on track for something special. But
England and Canada at full strength will be tough to be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Great to chat as always, James, thanks for joining us.
We'll do it again next Sunday.

Speaker 11 (01:21:37):
Eh, cheers mate, good good in the background on TV
looking great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
You you need to need to zoom in. Thanks James.
James McConney. Big part of our Sunday seven and a
half away from two.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Let's go from the track field and the court on
your home of sort weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
With coming up four to two. Apparently it wasn't just
a county's Medicare rugby team in trouble in the South
all yesterday with their travel arm Piney. We had some
cat show judges who had to drive christ Church to
Dunedin because their flight was canceled due to the weather
lot's affected. I guess there you go. So not just
rugby plays cat show judges as well. Hope they got

(01:22:20):
there okay. And final text on the All Blacks. This
is the Shane warn effect, says Ian. We hate it
so much because it was so good. Well done South Africa. Yep.
I think we can all agree that they were magnificent
last night. After two o'clock, I want to focus on
a couple of things that also happened last night. The

(01:22:41):
Warriors going down to the Penrith Panthers and their season
has come to an end at the first finals weekend. Yeah,
I feel very differently about the Warriors than I do
about the All Blacks. We can get into that Slade Griffin,
assistant coach after two, and we're also going to focus
in on the Black Ferns so through to the semi
finals of the Rugby World Cup with a comprehensive win

(01:23:02):
eventually over South Africa. Twenty seventeen Rugby World Cup winner
and commentator Christina Sue on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
That's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues
on and after fields. It's all on Weekends Forward with
Jason Vane on your home of Sport Uorks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Welcome in coming up seven past two. I'm Jason Pine.
This is Weekend Sport, Anna McDonald's show producer. We're here
till three. Then Tim Beverage with the Weekend Collective on
a Sunday. Before we get there. The Black Ferns through
to the semi finals at the Rugby World Cup in
the UK, comprehensive eventually against South Africa, winning forty six
seventeen in their quarterfinal overnight there's only ten all at

(01:23:45):
half time, so terrific second half performance from the Black Ferns.
How are they shaping up as we head towards the
pointy end of this tournament twenty seventeen. Black Ferns Rugby
World Cup winner Christina Sue was in commentary last night.
She'll join us with a recap and I look ahead
perhaps to the next we hope couple of weekends Canada

(01:24:05):
in the seat final that's locked in and then hopefully
on towards the final Warriors. To kick us off this hour,
Slade Griffin going to join us, assistant coach of the Warriors.
The season has come to an end twenty four to
eight at the hands of the pen with Panthers last
night at go Media six two. At halftime it felt
like the Warriors were hanging in there. A couple of

(01:24:26):
late tries forward passes well in there. Not that anybody's
blaming the loss on that that it was frustrating to
watch it happen, and I'm keen to hear your thoughts, actually,
Warriors fans, how do you assess the season from a
situation where at the start of the season having lost
you know, some really good players, some important experienced players

(01:24:48):
from last season, the rather inauspicious starred in Vegas and
then the midseason injuries which ended the seasons of Luke
Metcalf and Mitch Barnett half the Warrior is actually overachieved
in twenty twenty five and crucially what are missing pieces
now to turn them into not just the top eight side,

(01:25:11):
which should be the base level every year and has
been the case in two of the last three seasons,
but to go on and actually make it our year,
the eluse of our year. What do you feel like
it might be coming next year? Can do? Open the
lines to Warriors fans this our We'll keep eyes on
live sport as well, including Tasman's challenge for the ran
Furley Shield and christ Church a sun soaked christ Church,

(01:25:34):
I can tell you at Apollo Projects Stadium, players is
coming onto the field now and the Warriors woman their
last game this afternoon has just kicked off, or their
last game of the season has just kicked off against
the West Tigers over in Campbelltown. We'll keep eyes on
that as well. A right one hundred and eighty ten
eighty has always as our number ninet two ninety two
for your text messages emails to Jason at newstalk SADB
dot co dot nzet coming up nine past two as

(01:25:56):
we always do, though to kick off the two o'clock
hour on weekend sport. It's time to get you across
some of the things that might have escaped your attention.
It's been a bit of sport on you can't possibly
have kept up with all of it. We don't reckon anyway,
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(01:26:17):
glory seems imminent. In Love Welter, the Danish star Jonas Vingegar.
Stage twenty goes to the leader of Love Welter.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
It is Jona's fanger guard, ecstatic at the top.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Of Vola del Mondo.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Tomorrow he'll ride into Madrid as the winner.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Of this race. One stage to go before he claims
his first love Welter victory. The Sharks have put an
end to the Roosters season in the NRL finals.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
One tackle left Quidella Russ, one tackle.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
To heg On Ruder.

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
Toby Rudolph, last guards to tie.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
My goodness, if you hadn't the last try it was
of a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Stage twenty ten. The final score the Sharks on. They'll
play the loser of Canberra Brisbane this afternoon to the UK.
A struggling start for Ange Pasta Coogloo as manager of
Premier League side Nottingham Forest, Race.

Speaker 33 (01:27:20):
Rossa the head at Purton and Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
It's having a pair days.

Speaker 13 (01:27:29):
One from nothing distance.

Speaker 33 (01:27:31):
One from a neighboring parish at are still going top
of the Premier.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
League table three nil to Arsenal over Nottingham Forest to Rugby.
In the other World Cup quarter final last night, Canada
running riot over Australia all of.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Their matches in this World Cup so far, as Patchan
bursts through and puts on a little bit of footwork
as well to add a little.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Cherry on top in Canada extend the lead and the NPC.
A tight win for Otago over Taranaki five out from
the goal line, fifteen and left wing touch. Otago have
the rolling ball. Now they get a bit away go
Coltman at the back judges away Copers Gorse, Here comes Bella.
It is over Otago back in front. Twenty eight plays

(01:28:16):
twenty six san Otago retained second place on the table
and even tighter onon though in the Battle of the Bays, Nari.

Speaker 29 (01:28:23):
Mcclutchy droppy towards the post.

Speaker 31 (01:28:26):
It's over.

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
Oh mcclutchy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
The clutch drop gold.

Speaker 25 (01:28:33):
He's won it for Hawks, bade in golden point x for.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
Time and they've won it twenty four, twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
One And finally the Wallamies came oh so close to
yet another comeback win over Argentina, but it wasn't to be.
It's just over round at a touch.

Speaker 32 (01:28:52):
Chorganson under pressure, head Chorganson under all sorts of pressure.
That's a pera often term blots. The Wallaby tide back
comes up two points shorts.

Speaker 10 (01:29:09):
When it's down to the line.

Speaker 8 (01:29:10):
You made a call on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Weekend Sports with Jason Hine News Talks eb Shall.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
We have the final play Tendreth take it in and
the Penrith Panthers have turned to Auckland and have proven
why they are the back to back to back to
back champions. They have won this elimination final. They have
beaten the Warriors hair in Auckland twenty four points to eight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Yes, the Warriors beaten by the Penrith Panthers in the
first round of the NRL Finals at go Media Stadium
last night. They trailed just six two at halftime. Lechahlasima
gave them hope with a try on the second half
to bring it back to twelve eight, before two late
tries to the Panthers sealed the win and sent them
through to the next round of the finals. For the Warriors,

(01:30:01):
it is season over. Warriors assistant coach Slade Griffin is
with a slate twenty four eight. Doesn't actually feel like
it reflects the game that well. Is that how it
feels to you?

Speaker 8 (01:30:13):
Yeah, look, we felt like, you know, we're in the
arm wrestle with them.

Speaker 22 (01:30:18):
We felt we were doing a really good job, and
then obviously when you're chasing the game a little bit late,
we had that drop ball for a try and they
had that bounce to the ball, which we still we
know there's things we can do better, but at that
point in the game, it was a big moment because
it was probably our best defensive set of the night,
and you know, it was just tough conditions with the wind.

(01:30:39):
The ball probably didn't go as far as as some
guys are anticipating. They got the balance, and to their credit,
they icd their moments. So yeah, it's frustrating. I mean,
you know, probably if you come off the field knowing
you couldn't keep up with them, you'd be a bit
more disappointed. But knowing that we can arm wrestle with
a team like Penrith, like a lot of teams can't.

(01:31:00):
So you know, we fit enough and we could handle
their power game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
But it was just moments and that's exactly it. And
the moment that you've alluded to there the sixty fifth minute,
twelve eight to them. You kick to the corner. Paul
Animalty has a freak player to keep it in. You
pin them down that end. Nathan Clary kicks from his
own twenty. It's a freakish bounce. They pick it up
for a forward pass. Score one. It's eighteen eight. Is
that the turning point?

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:31:24):
Yeah, Like the in the context of the game is
a big playing look. They come up some huge players
like Clary's kicking game. He got a lot of repeats there.
Dylan Edwards keep the ball in on a forty twenty
a tent he gets out of his n goal. Yeah,
the crowd was really getting behind us at that period though,
it was like the roof would have come off the place.
It was just, you know, the bummer We didn't get

(01:31:45):
that ball back because yeah, I just like the crowd
would give us that ford X man on the field
at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
I know it doesn't matter now, but that passes forward.
How gutting is that?

Speaker 32 (01:31:56):
Ah?

Speaker 22 (01:31:56):
Yeah, look, I know it's hard on the rest, Like
we'd our position kind of feels like we've got a
couple of ones. But they could probably say the same.

Speaker 13 (01:32:04):
It's just, yeah, it's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Why don't you reckon? You could capitalize on your first
half show and with more points.

Speaker 34 (01:32:15):
Like we got it.

Speaker 22 (01:32:15):
We got a lot of chunk early and fish, so
they didn't have much fatigue into them, so they turned
up at that period as well. It was raining, so
it's probably a bit harder to come away with, you know,
some really clean catch pass and we're still building the game.
But yeah, like they're a really good defensive team, especially
down on their try line. So it probably was going

(01:32:37):
to be a really low scoring game. Like two tries
might have been enough to win it. Two or three tries,
and unfortunately, like you said, we let the score blow
out because we had, you know, two tries against the
runner play. But and those conditions, there's probably always going
to be a low scoring game.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Andrew Webster talked afterwards about the missing piece. It's probably
a little bit loosive and hard to define. That will
take it to the next level. What do you reckon
that that piece is.

Speaker 22 (01:33:03):
It just probably consistency or just detail. Some games of justiness,
like whether it's execution and attack or defense. Just nailing
our role and getting the detail right. Sometimes those real
small things create the moments we're talking about. Like I said,
even on that kick, they got the balance, but we
still know that befo, we got guys who moving towards

(01:33:25):
the ball, or we make a tackle here or there,
we can still stop it. So there's always little things
that you can control. So yeah, we're just we're really
hunting that part because we feel like the boys have
played with for a lot of effort, and they've played
tough for each other, and they trained really hard all year,
had a really tough preseason, which a lot of people
don't see. And that's why, you know, we felt we

(01:33:47):
built a game that could hold up in finals, games
like we could arm wrestle with a team like Penriff.
And Yeah, unfortunately, just those little details turn into big moments.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Leca Hellasima into the centers last night, are lake change
there with Kirk capable going back to the second row
another try for Leka. I think that has some as
your leading triscorer of the season. He goes, all right,
doesn't he like a Alisina?

Speaker 15 (01:34:12):
Wow?

Speaker 8 (01:34:13):
Yeah, that's that's what. Yeah, who knows that?

Speaker 22 (01:34:18):
C Is that not awesome?

Speaker 7 (01:34:20):
Here?

Speaker 22 (01:34:20):
I think he's played nearly every game for how far
he's come within the year and he's still only nineteen. Like, yeah,
it's really exciting. Another good preseason to build on what
he's done already this year, it is really exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
You lost Adam Vanua, Blake Tahu how As, Shawn Johnson,
and Dylan Walker from last season, then Mitch Barnett and
Luke Metcalf At the midway point of this season, many
people thought you'd missed the eight and yet you hosted
a finals match. Can you take some degree of satisfaction
from that?

Speaker 22 (01:34:50):
Yeah, Oh look, it was probably early on, like that
Vegas game. We probably you know, we're a new team
and we had a good lesson over there with the
new place coming in. After you take year seven and
your captain out, any team, I think it will take
thet lolder to get going and build those combinations again,
because you dismiss all those reps that the Harves get

(01:35:12):
in the preseason. In the combination they build just know
one kind of what each other's thinking. But there's never
an excuse for us.

Speaker 8 (01:35:19):
That we feel.

Speaker 22 (01:35:21):
Tanner did a really good job and all season like
him and Tom from the other team giving us really
good practice. So it's been great competition in that spot
and we've just always had that next man up mentality.
But yeah, obviously Mitch Barnett's leadership and just to the
aggression through the middle, what he kind of does for

(01:35:42):
the other younger Fords is always hard to replace.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
All Right. So Penrith go on to play the Bulldogs
next week now in an elimination semi final. This isn't
something they're used to having to come from so far
down the table, but you reckon they could win it
from seventh place again, Yeah, why not.

Speaker 22 (01:35:59):
I've done it four times. Our big game players, origin players,
I know they love a challenge, so already framed it
that way never before, so that's a trademark I think. Look, yeah,
obviously clearly Edwards like they just got such a potent
team and we were really for the moment. So I
think it's going to be a really good game between

(01:36:20):
them and the Bulldogs. It's a great top eight I
think it's Yeah, every team's got their number in the head.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Slade, appreciate your accessibility and honesty across the season. It's
been great to get the chance to regularly chat with
you on the radio.

Speaker 8 (01:36:34):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Enjoy the off season. If that's the writer, write phrase
useless for fuel for twenty twenty six and look forward
to catching up again in the new year.

Speaker 22 (01:36:42):
Yeah, no, I think to the support, Yeah, it's been awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
No, thank you for joining us, Slate, Slake Griffin the
assistant coach of the Warriors or one of the assistant coaches.
They can now start thinking about next season. Week one
of the finals is as far as I'll go. Twenty
four to eight, the margin of defeat last night to
the Penrith Panthers. Warriors fans, let's react to the season.
You might need a little bit more time to totally

(01:37:06):
digest what has happened over the last twenty five to
twenty six weeks or so, but what's your initial gut reaction? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. How does it feel
now that it's come to an end. Given the players
who left or retired after last season, and I mentioned
them there to Slade, adding Vanua, Blake Tahoe Hora, Shawn Johnson,

(01:37:28):
Dil Walker, and then the injuries to Mitch Barnett and
Luke Metcalf which ended their seasons about midway through, plus
other players like Rock o'berry and Ali Leaatawa who had
severely limited involvement because of their injuries. Is this actually
over achievement from the Warriors? Thirteenth last season? That Vegas

(01:37:55):
game had us all wondering whether we were in for
the same again this season. I don't think the Warriors
will be accepting invitation to go back to Vegas anytime soon.
Thirty points to eight they lost to the Raider and
Cam George is on the radio with me. Was that
last week week before? We said, look after that game,
everybody said we should be kicked out of the COB.
I don't think anybody was actually suggesting that, but it

(01:38:16):
looked as though it might be a repeat of twenty
twenty four. But instead they got up to fourth in
about week five or six and stayed there till right
near the end. Right near the end. The missing piece
that Andrew Webster talks about, he talked about it in

(01:38:36):
his press conference last night. What is that is it
a certain player in a certain position, or is it,
as Slade said, their consistency, which every team in every
sport searches for. Look, we all know that on their
night the Warriors can beat anyone, but the fact remains
they lost their last two regular season games, which cost

(01:38:57):
them a top four spot. Eventually in that extra life
which can be so valuable. So how should we regard
the Warriors season of twenty twenty five. Let's kick it
around now that's just finished in any way, shape or
form that you would like. Hello, Greg, Hey, gay, funny good,
thank you, great good.

Speaker 13 (01:39:17):
I think we can look at the season as being
something that promised so much and probably has just you know,
come up fallen a bit short. Obviously as a fan,
and the expectation of the team to get get into

(01:39:39):
fourth and stay here for such a long period of time,
you would have thought that, you know, we can, we
can stick it in here, you know, for a longer period,
longer period than what we actually did. But I think
consistency is one of the missing pieces, because sometimes we

(01:39:59):
seem to go, you know, we go go missing relay,
we're just really really bad in the first half, and
then we come back in the second half and we
almost flick a switch and you know where did this
team come from? That's wasn't the team that we had

(01:40:20):
in the first half. But they need to be more
consistent across the whole the whole game. Yeah, and I
think it we talk about players like lecka hellathema out.
The proof will be in the putting the second year,

(01:40:41):
because it's always the first year that they play well.
People don't know how they play. Then the second year
everybody cottons onto what he's been doing and that will
be the hardest thing for him as a player. I
think the loss of players like Mitch Bunnett was a
really big impact for retirement of Tohu. You know, nobody

(01:41:04):
was expecting that. It came from out of the blue.
Who Luke Metcalfe, who I'm not really a paan of,
but you know, he to play some good games. I
think Canna Boyd's stepped up when he was caught on.
I think he had one good game the first game up.
The second one wasn't so good, but from there on
and he he seemed to have the goods. I think

(01:41:29):
we need another winger. I think Dallansad's day, I think
we need another big, strong winger. But yeah, overall, I
think you would give them a pass mark.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Yeah, so I think I think, Yeah, I think he've
made some good points there, Gregor. Yeah, I thought Luke Metcalf. Look,
he was he was leading the dally M voting, wasn't
he when they when they you know, shut it off
from from us being able to see it. They keep
up public until I can't remember which round it is.
But when they did cut it off from us seeing it,

(01:42:02):
he was leading. He was leading the delim and and
you're right, he wasn't a universe choice to play there.
I think a lot of people thought, to mighty Martin
might get the seven jumper. But yeah, I think Luke
Metcalf's season ending injury had a big impact Mitch Barnett
as well, when you lose your co captain. I also
think Greg that in the census, you know, the probably

(01:42:24):
the first choice center pairing is probably when everybody's fit.
Rock o'berry and Ali Le'yatawa, and they played together so infrequently. Yeah,
they played together so infrequently. Leatawi and how many games
did he play this season? Be lucky if it was
seven or eight games this season? And Bury the same
and even when he came back, he got that injury,
which I mean must be he must be cursed. So

(01:42:47):
while injuries are not an excuse because all teams have
to face them, they do give you some basis for explanation.
And look, if they can keep everybody fit next year,
and that's a great unknown, then maybe this is the
playing group that can take that extra step and be
the missing piece and find that consistency. But yeah, I
guess we're wit and see. I've enjoyed talking Warriors with
you this year, Greg, look forward to doing it doing

(01:43:09):
it again in twenty twenty six. Thanks for you call, Robbie.

Speaker 13 (01:43:12):
High Wait, how are you going?

Speaker 11 (01:43:16):
Robi?

Speaker 13 (01:43:16):
Disappointed?

Speaker 9 (01:43:16):
Was that that interview of the coach. It's still easy
to to.

Speaker 29 (01:43:22):
Say, you know, things acceptable this abit.

Speaker 13 (01:43:24):
I'd be gutted.

Speaker 29 (01:43:26):
If the Warriors at halfway were second to bottom and
came up to first position would be great, But you know,
the Warriors for the first half of the year were
first and second. If you take the Warriors second half
of the year, I think they would have finished second
to bottom with all the losses, so they really dropped off.

Speaker 16 (01:43:41):
And as a coach, I.

Speaker 29 (01:43:42):
Wouldn't get up there and be saying, oh, this is good,
and I'd be gutted. I'd be coming up there and say, man,
we're absolutely he didn't sound gut it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Yeah, yeah, I think he was Robbie. I think maybe
it was me who was probably painting it a more
in a more positive light than Slade Griffin was. Yeah.
I think you could tell by the coach's box and
that last night that you know that they were. Of
course they're disappointed. You know, home final. You should win
a home final, you know.

Speaker 29 (01:44:06):
Yeah, actually in finding stop it, I know what.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
You're saying, and you're right, look and and you do
actually land on a good point. And that the back
end of the season. I look at those losses that
they suffered, what they lost to the Titans at home,
then they lost to the Dolphins at home, that was
really hard to take. And then they kind of got
back on the horse and they beat the Dragons that
was a tight one. Then they went and beat the Titans,
but then they lost the Eels at home. Should have

(01:44:34):
won that game, and just it was the whole all
accommodation of these things that that tip them out of
the top four. And as we know, it's hard to
win from outside there, even if you do have a
home final. But Penrith came and did what Penrith do
and I.

Speaker 29 (01:44:47):
Think Penrith for go on and they could very well
win it. They could very well make the final at least.
But you know, it's disappointing, you know, our Yeah, I'd
rather the boys started a bit slower and finish stronger.
But you know, was it okay disappointing again?

Speaker 8 (01:45:02):
Is it it?

Speaker 13 (01:45:02):
Really?

Speaker 29 (01:45:03):
Bottom line?

Speaker 25 (01:45:03):
Is it's disappointed?

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Yeah, good on your Robbie. Hey, thanks for co mate.
Let's chat about the Warriors again next year. You got
the number, Hey, Paul, what's your overall summer summary? You know,
just having given it just one overnight test.

Speaker 35 (01:45:17):
Yeah, a finny, I'll probably give him a seven and
a half out of ten.

Speaker 8 (01:45:22):
For the year.

Speaker 35 (01:45:23):
I mean, with some regards to the last guy's comments,
you know, you know, a team that has can keep
their their best site on the park for the season
most of the season. Other teams that are going to
kind of wreck the rewards at the end, you know,
and unfortunately we all know, you know, the injuries we've
had and so forth, so you know, we haven't had
our best halves pairing, we haven't had our best centers.

(01:45:45):
But in saying that, Kurk Capel really proved me wrong
last night. I just thought he was an absolute beast
last night.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
He was everywhere he.

Speaker 35 (01:45:52):
Was playing out in the centers. So but it's just
one of those ones, mate. You know, if I had
to said to you Pineyer know at the start of
the season after last year finishing third length, you know
we're going to lose Tahou, Adam Fanua, Black, Shawn Johnson,
Mitch Barnett and Meatcuff you know where will be finished.
It wouldn't be that positive. But you know, there are
a lot of positives to come out, you know, with

(01:46:13):
the young guys coming through the New South World Cup
doing so well, so a lot of positives.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
But there were some selection.

Speaker 35 (01:46:20):
Sort of issues in the last few weeks that I
sort of questioned with Wey. But I think the club
can be proud, mate for the season, and as long
as we building up next year, mate, will be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Yeah, that's it, isn't it? If it could be used
as a building block, because because what was it? Twenty
twenty three was great, wasn't it. Weby's first year in
charge and then last year was disappointing, really disappointing by comparison. Yep.
So we can't yep, I mean we can, but we
can't have this up and down, up and up and
now there's no good for our hearts or our stress level.
So it'd be nice to think though, as you say

(01:46:50):
that if they can build on this, that new Southwest
cap side looks it looks like it's got some guns
and it clearly we've got a bit of development coming,
you know, as you say, players stay for it hopefully,
and yeah, maybe the push on will come as a result.
I think I think seven and a half as already
accurate schore mate, I find myself agreeing wholeheartily with that.

Speaker 9 (01:47:10):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:47:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:47:11):
And if you look at the school lines, we had
so many to two point losses, four point losses, you
could say we should have put them away, but you
know we Hammo, we were still in the fight. So
that's a positive sign. So you know me, always they
optimus and positive about the wars, but when they do capitulate, mate,
you know me also, I'm not afraid they absolutely put
the boot into them, but they haven't given me a

(01:47:31):
reason much this year to do that, So I'm looking
forward to twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Mate, me too, Paul. I was enjoy your the ability
of you to do both of those things call ahead
and logic, but also the passion of a long time fan.
Always love chating league with you, mate, Thanks for calling three.

Speaker 11 (01:47:45):
Thanks Piny, Thank you mate, all the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Best, Mate, O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties
and number twenty nine away from three. Sean with you
right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
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Speaker 13 (01:48:16):
No get a pony?

Speaker 33 (01:48:17):
Yeah really read this point about the Warriors. I'm going
to get them a six point five. The reason take
out a point not seven point five? Is there a
couple of close games with the Titans where senior players
did not perform to NRL Grade one capability and they
made some very silly mistakes. That's the difference between the
Warriors and Canterbury and Melbourne. I for you others their
players do.

Speaker 18 (01:48:38):
Not do that.

Speaker 33 (01:48:39):
That's a tactical issue.

Speaker 8 (01:48:41):
The strategic issue is the development squad.

Speaker 33 (01:48:43):
We lost Gus Gould during the COVID back over to
Canterbury and the main reason Cameron Serraaldo has been able
to build Canbury from the Cellar Duellers up to where
they are now has been the back office and the development.
The Esfrols Cup is doing its job, but we saw
a couple of key people missing in that development team
and that development management and I think that's going to

(01:49:03):
be the key for the Warriors. That's the strategic plan
that Bellamie understands, that Phil gool understands, Soreldo and Ivan
Cleary who spent the first three years at Penrith doing
that before he won his premierships. It's a web He's
doing as mostly can.

Speaker 8 (01:49:18):
But I'm very.

Speaker 33 (01:49:18):
Disapported in certain players that didn't step up in certain games.
Obviously the combinations now we have the injuries. It's better
than the twenty twenty better than twenty twenty four. I
appreciate that, but I think strategically is the development that
needs to be like a major focus and technically some
senior players need to need to not make those silly mistakes,

(01:49:40):
especially drop balls at that level and tight games just on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Their development piece. Sean, It's a fascinating point for me.
So are you saying that more New South Wales Cup
players have to be given exposure to the to the
first grade side or what does that what does that
development look like?

Speaker 33 (01:49:56):
Well, basically what they do at Penrith and what what
camon soireldo, what Gus Gill did from in Canterbury, they
had a guru, they had a former a senior coach
which guild was and cams and Iven Cleary has they
blooded more players, They take chances. That's why Craig Bellamy
when he has two or three key players go down,

(01:50:17):
which he did this year, these other players aren't new bees.
He takes the risks early on the season, gives them
the blooded time so when they do have a crunch game.
We've got this phobia where we don't bring these players
into we absolutely need them and they've got no experience.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
You think how did you think tanner board went just
because he was one who came and through necessity, how
did you reckon he went?

Speaker 13 (01:50:38):
Okay?

Speaker 33 (01:50:39):
Well, he was an example. He did step up mostly
for most of the appearances that was forced. That's what
Ballamy and Cleary does at Parson and Melbourne respectively. Early
on they chucked even a deep end because Baalami said
that's the best test test of it where they can
make it in the NRL and it pays dividends for
him and you can lose a couple of matches earlier
on the season to have proof of concept. I think

(01:51:02):
maybe Andrew webs wants to do that. I don't know
what the internal Some coaches have a huge, huge personality
and they kind of tell.

Speaker 18 (01:51:08):
The owns what to do.

Speaker 33 (01:51:09):
I don't know what they until dynamics are of The
worry is how much freedom Andrew Webster has to make
those decisions. Whether the only thing to be pretty pretty
literal thinking guys, but there are certain key tactical moves
are going to make long term, strategic, long term and
tactically some of those key players. I think what I said,
he's been a great player. We need to buy another
winger rocker Bery eas to have a permanent house partner,

(01:51:30):
and I think we need to adopt the Melbourne pre season,
which basically starts after the Grand Final. That's why they
are where they are consistently, That's why Penrith is and
can it be Look look at Cameron Sorell, at what
he's done and the key part that has been the
development squad is back office.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Interesting, man, have you seen much of Jack Cleary here?
I mean, obviously his surname, you know, put some into
the spotlight and there's been a bit of a clamor
for him to be given an opportunity.

Speaker 33 (01:51:53):
I've seen a little bit of a new South last
cup he does. He's different to us, different to the brother,
but he is actually quite a hidden talent and you're
going to find he's going to be exposed to the
NFL standard significantly more next year. Iron Cleary has got
this machine, this factor which turns out players. They've lost
half their Premier losing to us winning side last year,

(01:52:15):
to other teams, and they're still and they're still in
the in the top eight. That's it. You can do that,
but if you've got the backup, so I'd see, I'd
watch out for Jet Fleury as a name to watch
the next couple of years. There's also a couple of
good players coming through West Tigers and they haven't got
the budget to keep them, so the worries. If you're
looking for a winger, there are some good people coming

(01:52:36):
on the market.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Good man, Shawn, Hey, great cool mate, thanks for calling through.
It's let's chat again in twenty twenty six six Shall
we about the Warriors of next year? Good to get
your call mate. Thanks indeed, final a couple of texts
on the Warriors before we move on. They need a
good six says this text, Chanelle is a bit like
Gene Namu was a gap fellow. No more interesting. Another

(01:52:58):
text here, great year considering everything, but we do need
Jet next year. A fullback, a winger will be pretty
close to a top four side. Then, and UNEs says
part he would normally ring you for a chap, but too.
Sad about the Warriors was that the game we were
writing at Ford pass tried changed the momentum and then
chasing the game Leka through two bad passes for a
try and a Bond Warriors try. We were in the game,
but the class difference of Clary's kicking game versus Boyd

(01:53:21):
and Chanelle was the five percent difference. As I expected,
compounding pressure did the job thanks to Clary's kicking. We'll
chat next year. Good on you, Jordan, Thanks some date.
I've enjoyed your calls and your texts this year as well.
One Final one Warriors need more than one player in
the squad that can kick long. Signed Jordi Barrett. I
don't know whether Jordi Barrett's going to do Cody swap

(01:53:43):
codes anytime soon. Got a big boon on tho isn't
he still twelve seven to Tasman over Canterbury with twenty
eight minutes gone on the Shield Challenge in christ Jitch
twenty one to three. We'll take away come back and
zooming on the Black Ferns into the semi finals of
the Rugby World Cup. We'll break that down their quarterfinal
win over South Africa with Christina so when we come
back the.

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Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Cup here forty six to seventeen thumping of South Africa
in their quarter final. It was the second half which
was the most impressive. It was ten all at half time,
so it was almost a reverse of what happened in
Wellington last night when the men's teams met. It was
the Black Ferns in the second half of that game
who just ran over the top of South Africa thirty

(01:54:53):
six to seven. The second half score effected. It's eerily similar,
isn't it eerily similar to what happened at sky Stadium
last night of the men's game in terms of the
second half performance. It was just the teams that were reversed. Now,
in a scheduling catastrophe, Christina Sue, who was going to
join us at this time twenty seventeen Rugby World Cup
winner and Skysport commentator, had her flight delayed and she

(01:55:17):
is on that flight right now. It pushed it back
beyond her ability to chat to us, which is such
a shame, because I really wanted to talk about this game.
If you watched it, if you've got some thoughts on it,
I'll take your calls. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
I've only watched highlights. It was by the time I
got home last night, I was a bit rinsed after
a long day. I have got up this morning and

(01:55:37):
watched the highlights of the game, and in the second
half we looked awesome, so good, And the scoreboard would
also suggest that it feels to me as though Braxton
Sorenson McGee has a mass of future in this game.
She was utterly superb again last night. She even took
over the kicking as well once Renee Holmes went off,

(01:56:01):
so she can kick as well. We've got so many
wheels in the backs, We've got so many options. Allen
Bunting's got an embarrassment of riches. That's the wrong phrase.
He's got just a wealth of possibilities out wide. You
look at the back three that he named to start
last night, Portia Woodman, Wickliffe, Braxton Sorenson McGee and Renee Holmes,

(01:56:24):
and then off the bench Caitlinclall and Asha Letti, ainger
I mean it's a it's just a battering ram of
outside backs, isn't it. And a lot of teams aren't
going to be able to live with them. South Africa
certainly couldn't last night. Canada. Canada are next. Now they
were equally impressive, I must say, in beating Australia forty

(01:56:48):
six y five, so again eerily similar scoreline forty six
points four. Canada as well against Australia, and you might
think of Canada, Okay, Canada, what do you mean, Well,
they beat us last year and we drew with him
this year pack four series, so they will certainly not

(01:57:09):
be anything close to an easy beat. However, the Black
Ferns are on a good run, three good wins in
Paul play, including that forty nil over Ireland, good win
last night and Canada next. Now that game is at
six o'clock on Saturday morning. That is a much more
palatable time to be watching the Black Ferns than midnight

(01:57:30):
or one point thirty in the morning, as it has
been six o'clock Saturday morning they take on Canada. In
terms of the other quarter finals, they are both tonight
just after midnight France against Ireland and England against Scotland.
I think France and England would be heavily favored, wouldn't
they to win those prospective quarterfinals? So it looks like

(01:57:52):
we're heading for a France England semifinal on the other side.
New Zealand already locked in for a semi final against
the Canadians on the other So are we headed? It
feels like it for a a repeat of the last
Rugby World Cup Final, where, of course we all know
the drama we had to endure at eden Bark. Are

(01:58:14):
we looking at the same in a couple of weeks
time of what will be a sold out twickener? Mary says, piney,
how about the South African lineouts first two players and
another virtually the whole team and the lineouts. What if
England to dop that near the goal line? Very good game,
go the Black Ferns, Thanks Mary. I saw some footage
of that. Seemed that they had it like a thirteen

(01:58:34):
thirteen player mall at one stage, a rolling more. You
have to say South Africa are renovators, aren't they. Rassi
Erasmus has shown it in the men's game and clearly
they're exactly the same in the in the women's game
as well. Look forward to next weekend and we'll give
plenty of coverage to the Black Ferns next weekend after
their semi final against against Canada next Saturday morning. Just

(01:58:57):
want to circle back to the All Blacks to finish
and raise it was up for media today. Scott Robertson
did some media at the airport before he flew out,
just for some thoughts on various parts of the game.
He talked about losing the battle in the air and
why that has been a real problem for the team.

Speaker 17 (01:59:17):
Yeah, we put a lot of time into it and
probably the return we're not getting as much as we're
in the outcomes. So when we're going to change and
tweat the weeks, how we kick them the ball a
little bit, how we give them the ball, and how
we're going to receive the ball. So we'll use that
week to get better outcomes. We're going to have to
because that's where as soon as the escorts went changed,
the game becomes an aerial battle in the air, and

(01:59:39):
as I mentioned last night said you've got so much
value and you turn out of their kick.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
Game, that's a razor with the blow announcing the next
flight in the background. He was also asked about Set
Peace and their struggles at set Peace time.

Speaker 17 (01:59:52):
Well, there's a structure in a system. Individual still set
and structure stuff, not just a few individual skill sets
that the players have to get right, especially around the scrum.
That's the pictures they see, you know, Wild Buggy want
to be really clear of what pictures they get, and
I'll go after them if they don't. So we're going
to make sure they get to see that. Look, it's
a diligent or work extremely hard. We pride ourselves on

(02:00:15):
them as well, but we've got to deliver now so
that the adjustment's going to.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
Have to come quickly. And in terms of adjustments, is
it time to consider some personnel changes for the team now? Yeah, Look, you're.

Speaker 17 (02:00:25):
Always looking at what's the best team cohesion, give them time,
give them combinations, and what's what's the best for this occasion,
what's the best for this game. So you know, obviously
we thought the continuation of the group that had a
great performance, reward them that had a great win. That's

(02:00:45):
the chance to go again in cement positions. Obviously, also
for Leeve where he wasn't it's just great to see
him go out and just play, but you always have
those conversations and what's best for the group. Some of
natural too injuries, but we'll see next week.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
That is Scott Robertson with some parting thoughts before he
hopped on the plane. The team will reassemble probably seven
days from now, I'd imagine back up and all four
led us like one a fortnight from yesterday and we'll
see what the response is. Want to finish though, with
another man involved in coaching, another key we involved in coaching,
another former All Black involved in coaching, but for South Africa,

(02:01:22):
Tony Brown of course, as part of Russy Erasmus's coaching team.
Shortly after the final wistle last night, I've got a
couple of words from Tony Brown on the sideline.

Speaker 34 (02:01:31):
Nah, you know, it was a pretty intense first half
both sites. We're throwing the ball around and pretty entertaining rugby,
and you know, we just executed a little bit better
than we did in the first half and the second half,
and you know, the All Blacks tried to chase the game,
which opened opportunities for us as well, so which ended
up in you know, a reasonably big score.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
How much did last week's sting and how much did
that get used as motivation for tonight.

Speaker 34 (02:01:55):
Yeah, you know, it was a pretty physical battle last week.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
It was a wet game.

Speaker 34 (02:01:59):
We just didn't execute the way that we normally do,
which allowed the All Blacks you know, to beat us there.
So you know, we just needed to make sure we
converted those opportunities when we got inside the twenty two.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
There you go, Tony Brown after the game last night.
His fingerprints all over the spring box at the moment,
even though they stick to their DNA, that tight, physical,
forward dominated game plan, their ability to be expensive as
well certainly down to Tony Brown's influence on that team.
In the ram Philly Shield Challenge, CANIB we have gone
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EDB, News Talks, HEB and Weekend Sport, which has rapidly
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I deeply appreciate all of your feedback and your thoughts
on the rugby last night in particular. My apologies. We
can never even hope to get through all of the
text messages that get sent in, but please rest assure
we do read them all. We appreciate you taking the

(02:03:09):
time to send them. It's just unfortunate that sometimes, due
to the sheher weight of them, and I'm talking hundreds
this afternoon, we just don't get the chance to read
them all out. But thank you for taking the time
to send you text messages and your emails. I've received
many of those today as well, and even those who
tried to call through but couldn't get on the air.
This tends to be what happens after a game that

(02:03:29):
we're so passionate about not going the way that we
would have hoped. And I hope that's always the way.
I hope that we don't get to the point where
after an All black's loss we're just ambivalent about the
whole thing. I think we're a long way from that
if anything, If today is anything to go on, thank
you to Andy McDonald's producing today and yesterday, a couple
of big days for you, mate, Thanks indeed for all

(02:03:50):
of your heavy lifting. Thanks to you of course for
listening in and some beverage will be with you after
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far as our exit song today is concerned song by
Somali Canadian artist Kanan, which became a global hit when
it was aligned with the twenty ten feet of World

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Cup hosted by South Africa. Plenty of waving flags from
South Africans today see him or not.

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